1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to an air wave media podcast. Washing is unique. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: The opportunity for students is amazing. I wanted to be 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: around that level of excellence. I have a passion for service. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Learn more and apply at wsome dot Education. That's WAUSM 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: dot Education. Hi everybody, and welcome back to RADED. What 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: now the history podcast that is not your history class 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: with me? You're a slightly unwell host. Katie Charlewood spectacle addict. 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm reader of books, and when I say spectacle addict, 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean that I am addicted to glasses and spectacles, 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: although I do enjoy a good spectacle because history is 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: full of them. Welcome back if you are a regular listener, 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: and uh, welcome if you're new here. If you hear 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: a cat crying in the background, no you don't ignore her. 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: She's in heat and is being really annoying. So Binkie 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: hasn't made any meals or any kind of noise, like 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: for about two months, like she's made zero sounds, and 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: now that she's in heat, she's like, like, we thought 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: the cat had gone mute. So it is Women's History 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Month and as such, I am working my way through 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: all of the six Tudor Queen's Queen concerts. Whatever, It's fine. 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily need to make that distinction here. If 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: you want to hear the story from start to finish, 23 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: you can start with Catherine of Aragon. So I've got 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Catherine of Aragon, amberleyn Jane Seymour. Those are already up 25 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: at the minute, and we are about to go on 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: to the next. Why we are on Anne of Cleaves. 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this one because Anne of Cleves 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: is so often just referred to as like the ugly one. Oh, 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: it's not even true. It bugs me so much, Like so, yeah, 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: and then after this we have two more queens to 31 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna get them all out 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: before the end of the month. We're gonna do it. 33 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna get there. I am of the opinion that 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: each queen deserves her own episode, because I am second 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: tired of just being like Catherine of Argon gets one 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: episode and Berlin gets one episode, and then everybody else 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: gets shoved into the same one, and like, no, I 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: don't like that. So now you know what, before we 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: get into this, we're gonna we're gonna do a sidebar. Sidebar, right, 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: when you have a social media account of any kind, 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: whether it's for TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, whatever exists, whatever 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: you use, first of all, listen to the Sage weirdo. 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: She speaks the truth. So you don't owe anybody an explanation. 44 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: You don't owe anybody anything, like if you make a 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: point or or you have an opinion that people disagree with, 46 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm of the opinion, and I kind 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: of go both ways, you see, in more ways than one, 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: because like half the time, I won't deal with the 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: gober bitches, like they're unworthy of my time, and you know, 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: I just don't deal with them, like, and they don't 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: directly impact to affect me, so they were relevant and 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: I just don't bother. But sometimes, like say, for example, 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: when I made a post regarding victim blaming and misogynistic rhetoric, 54 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, and somebody was like, oh, you ditched this 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: video for Clout, and it's like, well, no, I didn't, 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: because I think the video only had nine thousand views. 57 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: And it's like, if I wanted clout, there were easier 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: ways for me to do it. If I really wanted clout, 59 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I would drag I mean I'm going to. But if 60 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: clout was what I was, after all I'd have to 61 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: do is a video on like the Magdalen laundries or 62 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: talk about how vicious John Paul the Second was like, 63 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: it's not a difficult thing for me to do. But 64 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: the thing is, I don't want to do that. Here's 65 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: the thing. I love history, and if you don't pay 66 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: attention to history, you are doomed to repeat it. And 67 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: all throughout history we have people saying that like evil 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: winds when good people stand back and do nothing. So 69 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it people on their homophobic, racist, misogynist bullshit. Absolutely, 70 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: Like I have a place of privilege because I look 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: like a big bucket of mayonnaise, and I am relatively 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: eloquent when I choose to be. I have a third 73 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: level education, and also I'm cute, bitches. I am actively 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: trying to be good to myself and not put myself down. 75 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of the end of the game here. So 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: that was my point. So yeah, sometimes I'll respond. And 77 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: as I was, you know, having this back and forth 78 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: with this fella, I was like, no, you know what, 79 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: you're not listening to me. You're not taking on board 80 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: what I'm telling you, and you're deliberately attacking me to 81 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: avoid the conversation that's happening. You're trying to detract and 82 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: distract from the bigger picture, which is misogyny and victim blaming. 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, you know what, block, 84 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: you owe nobody anything on your social media. You don't 85 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: necessarily owe somebody an explanation. No is a full sentence, 86 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, And people do not have a right to 87 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: your time or your attention. You don't have to do that, 88 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: especially when they're being dicks. And when you have social media, 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better to just report delete in block, Bye bye, 90 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: motherfucker you're irrelevant. Like say, for example, after the Mother 91 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: to Raise a video which got like three million views, 92 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I started getting death threats to my Instagram and people 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: were writing out these paragraphs and essays, and you can 94 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: generally tell by the first sentence how it's going to 95 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: go and how they're they're speaking. So and whenever I 96 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: see stuff like this, this kind of hate mail come 97 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: into my inblox, I read the first couple words of 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the sentence and I'm like, oh, okay, this is take meal, 99 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: and I delete it, so that entire essay that they 100 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: spent all this time writing, that they put so much 101 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: effort into writing that probably took them somewhere between twenty 102 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: minutes and an hour to do the thing that they 103 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: worked so hard on, determined to make their opinion and 104 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: shove their opinion at me and threaten me or whatever 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to do, and I just deleted it. It's 106 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: gone into the ether, never to be seen again. That's 107 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: how little their opinion means to me. Like bye bye, 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: But anyway, I know what you're thinking. Quit that gibber 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: jabber in fact me. Well, let's get our source on. 110 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Shall we we have Anne of Cleaves, Henry the Eighth, 111 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Discarded Bride by Elizabeth Norton. The Marrying of Anne of 112 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: Cleave's Royal Protocol in Early modern England by Ritha m. Warnick. 113 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: The Six Wives of Henry the Eighth by Alison Ware. 114 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: The Treasury of Royal Scandals. The Shocking true Stories of 115 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: History's wickedest, weirdest and most wounded Kings, Queens, sars, popes 116 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: and Emperors by Michael farkaher and oh And Anna, Duchess 117 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: of Claves, The King's Beloved Sister by Heather Darcy, and 118 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: of course we had little perus on Smithsonian dot com, 119 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Britannica dot com and biography dot com. So let's talk 120 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: about Anne, the Duchess of Cleaves. So Anne of Claves 121 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: was born Anna von kieh Okay. Now, remember it is 122 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: the past, and just like most women of the past, 123 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: we do not have an accurate birth date. So Anne 124 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: of Cleves was born sometime between the twenty eighth of 125 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: June and the twenty second of September in fifteen fifteen 126 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: in Dusseldorf, the Duchy of Berg and the Holy Roman 127 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: Empire modern Germany. Really, she was the second daughter of 128 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: John the Third of the House of Lamark, Duke of 129 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Ulick clavesperg Count of Mark and Ravensburg, and his wife Maria, 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: Duchess of Yulickberg. John the third her father. He was 131 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: influenced by Erasmus and he had and he was like 132 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: middle of the road when it came to Reformation. So 133 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: he was on the side of the Schmalkaldic League. I'm 134 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: sorry for schmoke Aldick, schmokel Dick, the Schmokeldick League, which 135 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: were like a military alliance of Lutheran princes within the 136 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: Holy Roman Empire in like the mid sixteenth century, and 137 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: they were in opposition to Emperor Charles the Fifth of 138 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Empire. When John died, AND's brother William 139 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: became the Duke of Ulick Clevesburg, known as William the 140 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: Witch in fifteen twenty six. In fifteen And has two siblings, 141 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: an elder sister, Sibyl and a brother William. In fifteen 142 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: twenty six, Sibyl, her older sister, she marries John Frederick, 143 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Elector of Saxony, head of the Protestant confis Federation of Germany, 144 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: and how some would considered to be the champion of 145 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: the Reformation. In fifteen twenty seven, when Anne was eleven 146 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: years old, she was betrothed to Francis, who was nine 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: years old and the heir of Antoine, Duke of Lorraine. 148 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: This was a very brief engagement. 149 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: It was basically considered an unofficial betrothal and was like 150 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: officially canceled in fifteen thirty five. So the Duchess Maria, 151 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: her mother was a strict Catholic and her brother was Lutheran. 152 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: And I heard up at this and her father he 153 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 2: was having. 154 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: This dispute over Girderland with Charles the Fifth, which made 155 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: the family of Cleaves really suitable allies for King Henry 156 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: the eighth, you know, after the whole Tree of Nice, 157 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: and then the Italian War of fifteen thirty six to 158 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty eight between King Francis the First of France, 159 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, the horn Dog, and Charles fifth, the Holy 160 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: Roman Emperor and King of Spain. So they were trying 161 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: to get control over these territories in northern Italy, so 162 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: like the Duchy of Milan and things like that, France 163 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: invading northern Italy and then Spain invading France, which resulted 164 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: in the Truce of Nice, and this basically ended all 165 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: the hostilities. The Truce of Nice made Anne of Cleave's 166 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: family a really suitable ally for Henry the eight against 167 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: because her father John the third of House Lamark had 168 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: this dispute over guilderland with Charles the fifth yari yari yaa. 169 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: So while the Italian War is going on, it's like 170 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seven and it's decided that Henry really needs 171 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: to move on with his life and get a new wife. 172 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: He's got his heir and now he needs a spare. Effectively, 173 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: so John Hutton. He was the ambassador to Mary of 174 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Hungary and he had been sent to the Low countries 175 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: to see about possible alliances for Henry with the Habsburgs 176 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: or their allies, and there wasn't really that many options. Ferdinand, 177 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: King of the Romans, his daughters were too young, same 178 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: with Emperor Charles and Mary of Hungary she had no kids. 179 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: Isabelle of Austria was already married. And then Christina of Denmark, 180 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: who was only sixteen, she had already been married and widowed. 181 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: And John Hutton had mentioned basically in passing that the 182 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: Duke of Cleaves he had a daughter, but quote there 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: was no great praise of her personage or beauty, so 184 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Anne wasn't really considered at the time. And then so 185 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: at this point they were looking more like for Christina 186 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: of Denmark or Marie of Guys, But yeah, those fell through. 187 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: In January fifteen thirty nine, the Treaty of Niece comes 188 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,119 Speaker 1: into play, and with this Treaty of Niece, Henry needed allies, 189 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: and to top it all off, Pope Paul the Third 190 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: reissues the Bull of Excommunication against Henry, and March fifteen 191 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: thirty nine, Henry finally agrees that negotiations could begin. Regarding 192 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: Anne of Cleaves is like, yes, please and thank you. 193 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: It was actually pretty difficult for any of Henry's envoys 194 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: to get like a very good view of what a 195 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: looked like or what she acted like. The etiquette at 196 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: the court was pretty strict, and Anne and her sister 197 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Emelia wore these so like the headgear they were wearing 198 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: apparently it made it very difficult to actually see her face. 199 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: But Henry was like, okay, send me, send me, send 200 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: me a pener and Hans Holbein, the younger, he pops 201 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: off to Durn and paints portraits of Anne and Amelia, 202 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: and because Henry was actually considering both of them, and 203 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Henry stated that he wanted the portrait to be as 204 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: accurate as possible and not to flatter them. So while 205 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: they're in Claves, Holbein's getting the portrait done and some 206 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: of the envoys are there and doctor Watton, who's leading it, 207 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: he basically says that the pinter got a really good 208 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: likeness of Anne AND's mother was like really really strict. 209 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: It was noted and commented on by the envoys, and 210 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: they also mentioned that, you know, the girls had received 211 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: quite limited education, which was more to making her like 212 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: a very economical, a thrifty wife for a nobleman. They 213 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: never thought she was going to be, you know, a queen, 214 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: so she wasn't prepared for that. And as we've seen 215 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: with Henry, he had very particular tasts. He liked intelligent women. 216 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: He just but just didn't like them to be smarter 217 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: than him, which was a shame. Shouldn't be that hard 218 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: and fairness. But like nobody thought, hey, maybe he likes 219 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. Maybe this isn't going to work. 220 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, like one thing that's sort of very much 221 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: in English society at the time was women would learn 222 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: to play instruments, you know, music was a big thing. 223 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: They were then dancing things like that, and Anne didn't 224 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: play a lick of music. Wasn't a thing. She could 225 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: read and write in German, but she couldn't speak any 226 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: of the languages, but it's generally seen that she was 227 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: smart enough to be able to learn other languages. They 228 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: didn't think it was going to be an issue. It's 229 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: really funny because Anne is seen as quite somber, because 230 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: Germany is seen as like a big drinking place, like 231 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: alcohol wise, and neither Anne nor her brother were heavy drinkers. 232 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: You know. She was pleasant and polite and graceful, and 233 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: she had even learned She heard the kinglet cards, so 234 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: she learned card games, you know, for him. She thought, 235 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: well that's something. So all the accounts leading up to 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: her heading to England, before she gets there, when she's 237 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: on the ship traveling, they all generally say that she 238 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: has grace and dignity, and that she's very excited to 239 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: learn about her new home. The way everyone eats, she's 240 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: very much trying to be the best she can be 241 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: for her new journey, her new life. Yeah, so Thomas 242 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: Cromwell over sees the whole marriage treaty and the negotiations 243 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: and this gets signed on the fourth of October of 244 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty nine, on New Year's Eve, it's all stormy 245 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: and shit and arrives at Rochester Castle in Kent. And 246 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: on New Year's Day Henry Henry does this thing. Okay, 247 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: this is what happens, and this is like the funniest 248 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: So New Year's Day Henry mad into this whole chivalry thing. 249 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: He decides he's going to meet her in disguise with 250 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of his men and stuff. Right, The chivalric 251 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: tradition of meeting your betrothed in disguise is this whole 252 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: thing about demonstrating true love because the brig to be 253 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: is supposed to see through the disguise and recognize her beloved. 254 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. It would be a very 255 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: common story in England tradition and things like that, but 256 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: in Germany, no, this wasn't a thing, so she would 257 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: be very unaware of this tradition in this sort of 258 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: cultural act. So Anne's in her chamber, she's looking out 259 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: into the courtyard. There's bill baiting going on. It's a big, 260 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: fancy fun time for everybody. So Henry, So Henry comes 261 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: in and he's dressed by a lowly person, effectively, he's 262 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: dressed like what he thinks a general person looks like. 263 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: And you know, he brings her token from the king. 264 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: It's a gift. She's looking out the window and he 265 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: grabs her like they say embrace. He embraces her. But 266 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: when someone touches you and you don't want them to 267 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: touch you, they grab you and he kisses her and 268 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: she's like what no, And she is completely disinterested, Like 269 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: if this was a lady from you know, the English 270 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: court one. She probably would have recognized Henry anyway, and 271 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: at this point he was no longer the beautiful man 272 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: of his youth, you know. But like ladies of the 273 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: English court, they would be aware of this scenario. 274 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: But Anne's from Dusseldorff, Like, this isn't a thing, this 275 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: chivalric notion that Henry is obsessed with, and even more 276 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: so now that he's aedging and he's got that ulcer 277 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: on his leg and he's getting a bit dodgy, she 278 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: is just so not into it, like she's like, no, 279 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: thank you, and. 280 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: She pushes him away, freezes up, and then she sort 281 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: of keeps looking out the window like I'm gonna look 282 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: over here, weird person who keeps touching me. She is 283 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: completely disinterested in Henry, and Henry cannot fucking stand it. 284 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: If you hear a cat now you don't, I'm being dramatic, Binkie, No, 285 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: don't even like whether it was embarrassment or shyness, or 286 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: the fact that she or the fact that you know, 287 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: it's a strange man grabbing you and kissing you when 288 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: you're on your way to meet your future husband. That 289 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Henry sees this as a rejection, so Henry storms off. 290 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: As we've discussed before and especially especially the in the 291 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn episode, Henry was a narcissistic, megalomaniac, misogynist just everything, 292 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: everything has to be his way. He is so obsessed 293 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: with being right, to being the manly man, the wanted man, 294 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: and with all the injuries and everything else that's wrong 295 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: with him, and he's gaining weight and it's all putting 296 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: his concept of the strong, handsome, young viril man he was. 297 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: That's all gone, and he is fighting to feel the 298 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: same way when he as he was when he was 299 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: a headstrong young lad. So he storms out, going, I 300 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: like her, not like her, not like So he just 301 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: starts talking about how ugly she is and who's going 302 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: to fucking argue with the king? Like even if we 303 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: remember back when Catherine of Aragon their wedding was initially 304 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: arranged and he was like fourteen years old, going nah, 305 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: don't wanna, and Henry always liked to choose him his 306 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: own bread like he wanted to pick her. He wanted 307 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: to court her directly, and the political motivation for marrying 308 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: and that would have already put him in a weird 309 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: place like he didn't like that. He wanted it to 310 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: be his way, He wanted it to be his choice, 311 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: like he resented any form of agency being removed from him, 312 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: and so he would look for reasons not to marry her, 313 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: like initially anyway, and then when the rejection happens, when 314 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: she puts him away in what could have been like 315 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: if she had been, oh my, it is my true love, 316 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: then that might have been a better base from which 317 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: to start. But considering Henry's impotence, him to say, Henry 318 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: is storming out. He's like, I like her not, I 319 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: like her not. So Henry starts talking about her appearance, 320 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: and he says that you know, he had been she 321 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: been flattered by the painting. Here's the thing, by all 322 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: account by all accounts, the only way I can put 323 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: this is in the Middle Ages, a pear shape was 324 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: the perfect shape. And Jane and Catherine had all been 325 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: rather slim built. You know, they all had small chests, 326 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: and they were smaller, and Anne was taller than average, 327 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: and we knew this. So she just didn't look like 328 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: a typical english woman. She was curvy, which a point 329 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: I'll get to in a minute. Henry seems to be 330 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: the only one that has this opinion. I don't want 331 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: to fat shame Henry the Eighth, but Anne had more 332 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: reason to complain than he did, That's all I'm saying. 333 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: Henry is mad. He's trying to get Crommell to like 334 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: cancel the wedding, but Thomas Quemmell was like, this would 335 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: be a major fuck up if you did, it would 336 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: be a massive diplomatic incident. England frankly could not afford 337 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: to lose the Allies. So Cromwell receives blame for the 338 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Holboyd portrait. And they don't meet officially until the third 339 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: of January on Blackheath outside the gates of Greenwich Park 340 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: or there's like the big grand reception going on. I 341 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: fancy he's still trying to get Cromwell to find a 342 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: legal way out of the marriage, despite King Henry's very 343 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: very vocal disapproval and misgivings regarding Anne in the marriage. 344 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: They got married on the sixth of January fifteen forty 345 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: at the Royal Palace of Placentia in Greenwich, London, by 346 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: the Archbishop Thomas Crammer. When Anne arrived in England, she 347 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: basically conformed to Anglicanism. You know, this was very much 348 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: expected because you're supposed to royal princesses generally, you're supposed 349 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: to go there and adopt the name and culture of 350 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: their and AND's wedding ring has God send me well 351 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: to keep engraved on it, which is pretty nice. So yeah, 352 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: they got married. All that was left was the king 353 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: to do his duty. He had an heir, he needed 354 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: a spare. But we have to remember that he is 355 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: has the ulcero's leg. He's not as fit as he 356 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: once was, and he was suffering from bouts of impotence. 357 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: Like this, Between Henry's bouts of impotence, his impatience and innocence, 358 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: the marriage is never consummated. So, okay, they're in bed 359 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: and he had run his hands over her body, and 360 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: he feels that her belly is soft and her breasts 361 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: are loose, loose, and so he starts complaining like she 362 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: can't be a virgin, she's no made. So this whole 363 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: thing is he's running his hands over her body and 364 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: he is so repelled by it that he is incapable 365 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: of doing anything. Because of course that's to blame and 366 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: not him, So he's their complaining to Cromwell, going on 367 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: about she's not fair and she's not virgin, she has 368 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: evil smells about her. Everybody smells. It's the Middle Ages, 369 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: it's all I'm saying, anyway, sure, And also it's probably 370 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: his ulster's leg that's smell. And I'm just saying, the 371 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: only time Henry has been near a woman with fuller 372 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: breasts would probably be post childbirth. The kind of woman 373 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: he was with. Even in his letters to Anne Boleyn, 374 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: he mentions her little duckies and small breasts and so 375 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: that's what he likes. He likes a small breasted so yeah, 376 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. He's complaining that his bride 377 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: was indisposed to excite and provoke any lust in him, 378 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: and he could never be stirred to know her colneally, 379 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: and he leaves her as good a maid as he 380 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: found her, and honestly, I think this really helped her. 381 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: And then on Anne's side, so Anne is praising the 382 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: king as a husband, as a kind husband, having away 383 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: chat with the Countess of Rutland, and she tells her 384 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: that and like and this is like February fifteen forty 385 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: and she basically tells her that when he comes to bed, 386 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, he kisses her and he takes her by 387 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the hand and he says good night, sweetheart. In the 388 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: morning he kisses her and says farewell, darling, like he's 389 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: always very polite to her and kind and and Lady 390 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: Rutland basically says, girl, you get to do more than that. 391 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: Otherwise there isn't going to be a Juky York Like 392 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: the juk Yorky would be despair. I think a sexual 393 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: relationship between Anne of Claves and Henry the Eight would 394 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: have put her in a situation where she would not 395 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: have been looked upon favorably by Henry. But the fact 396 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: that she was so innocent, and you know, I think 397 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: that really really helps solidify her as a non threat. 398 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: And the fact that because she was so innocent, she 399 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: couldn't judge Henry and she never spoke ill of his 400 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: sexual prowess because she had she had no knowledge, she 401 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: had no consideration, she had nothing. So she was perfect 402 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: in the way that she couldn't put him down in 403 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: the ways that mattered to him the most. So Henry 404 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: and Anne they put on this good front every time 405 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: they go to like banquets and events. They are showing 406 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: strong side by side, but all the while in the 407 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: background Henry and his lawyers and so on and so forth, 408 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: he has got them looking over the treaty and the 409 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: marriage contract to try and find some kind of loophole 410 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: for him to end the marriage. Even though Henry was 411 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: not super keen on AND's appearance, her quote unquote queenly 412 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: manner and dignity were always because she had been so 413 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to say subservient, but because she had 414 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 1: been so willing to learn about England and found the 415 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: best way to assimilate in English culture and the best 416 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: way to be to serve the king. And she had 417 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: this dignity and queenly manner. And is writing to her 418 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: family saying that she's very happy with her husband, and 419 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: yet they're going to tournaments and celebrations and all public 420 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: events and being raised the way she was in Germany. 421 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: She didn't have the courtly refined mints. You know, she's 422 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: seen as a bit of an embarrassment to the tutor court, 423 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: regardless of how eager to play she was. So yeah, 424 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: she's twenty four and he's forty eight, so he's twice 425 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: her age. So Anne of claims is the same age 426 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: as Mary, Tudor Henry's daughter, and the two of them 427 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: actually strike up a friendship, and it sort of shows 428 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: how likable Anne was because Mary is a staunch Catholic 429 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: and she's not into reformers or anything like that. Anne 430 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: is also mad about Elizabeth. She loves Elizabeth. She said 431 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: that to have Elizabeth as a daughter would have been 432 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: a greater happiness than for her to be Queen. I 433 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: might have been eager to please, and she might have 434 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: been a caring and considerate wife, and she may not 435 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: have the quote unquote sophistication required for Tudor court, but 436 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: she wasn't an idiot. She was perfectly aware that her 437 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: lady in waiting, Catherine Howard. Here her is definitely more 438 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: petite and lemmar and more aligned with the English style 439 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: of beauty at the time, which wouldn't be hard because 440 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: she was still a teenager. But that's neither here nor there. Initially, 441 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: Anne does complain to the you know, the ambassador for 442 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Duke of Claves, but she kind of realizes that she 443 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: just has to be okay with the situation. She had 444 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: to reconcile it because she was very aware of her 445 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: situation and where she was. So by the twenty fourth 446 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: of June fifteen forty, Anne is ordered by the council 447 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: to remove herself from court and fuck off to Richmond Palace. 448 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: And while she's there, she finds out that her marriage 449 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: to Henry had been called into question because this is 450 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: what they ran with. Henry the eighth was concerned about 451 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: her previous engagement to the Duke of Lorraine and had 452 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: therefore refrained from consummating the union and is not happy, 453 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: but she's a pragmatist, like she is very aware of 454 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: the situation. Cromwell is in the Tower of London. He's 455 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: being held, he's arrested for treason and so he has 456 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: to provide testimony regarding the marriage to support the nullmen. 457 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: An ecclesiastical inquiry is commissioned and at gagglea counselors, they 458 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: arrive in Richmond in early July, you know, to chat 459 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: to Anne. Anne is so shocked, you know, this whole 460 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: whirlwind of events because remember Henry does this, He's like 461 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: very kind to consider it, and he shows affection and 462 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: he says he's on your side, and then he turns 463 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: around and being the fucking prick that he is, stabs 464 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: in the fucking back. Anne, completely shocked, faints and when 465 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: she's recovered, so once she gets up, the first thing 466 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: she does is she refuses to consent to get inquiry. 467 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: She's like, what the fuck? No? Fuck that for a 468 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: game of soldiers not But then she has a little 469 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: think once she's calmed down a little bit, when she's 470 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: reassessed the situation and thinks, oh shit, Catherine of Arragon 471 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: banished and spurned Anne Boleyn beheaded, and both of them 472 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: had dealt with an assassination of character, had already been 473 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: publicly rejected by the king. She then agrees to the 474 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: inquiry and the marriage is annulled on the ninth of 475 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: July fifteen forty. The annoma gets confirmed by Parliament three 476 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: days later, and Anne writes a letter of submission to Henry, 477 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: offers herself up as a humble servant and refers to 478 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: His Majesty's clean and pure living with her. So basically 479 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: her compliance is rewarded. Henry grants her Richmond Palace, blitchingly 480 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: manner and in quite a large annual income. She gets 481 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: to keep all her royal jewels, plates, are goods, and 482 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: loads of stuff to furnish all her new properties. She 483 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: gets the status becoming an honorary member of the King's 484 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: family known is the King's sister and so she would 485 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: be above old women in Land except for his wife 486 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: and his daughters. Later on, he also gives her possession 487 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: of Heaver Castle, which was Anne Boleyn's home. So Henry 488 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: marries Catherine Howard on the twenty eighth of July fifteen 489 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: forty like less than a month later, and to show 490 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: there's no hard feelings and to be respectful again a 491 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: very compliant servant of the king, and then dances with 492 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: Catherine Howard after she marries Henry eight like this, and 493 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: by fifteen forty two, and as we know that marriage 494 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: didn't work out, she gets beheaded and there's pressure for 495 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: the king to remarry again because he still doesn't have 496 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: his spare AND's brother is now the Duke of Eulick Clevesburg, 497 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, maybe you should remarry Anne. Eh, 498 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: like she's a good wife, and Anne she really hoped 499 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: that she would be reinstated as queen. Effectively, she had 500 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: so any signs of resentment after being publicly humiliated and rejected. 501 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: She was a regular visitor to court. Henry had also 502 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: visited her a bunch of times and they even exchanged 503 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: New Year's gifts in fifteen forty two. He had no 504 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: intention of ever getting back with her. That just no, 505 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: that was just in no situation for him. By placing 506 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: her in the position of sister, it actually made it easier, 507 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: I think for him. But Anne was bitterly disappointed when 508 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: he marries Catherine Parr, stating that, you know, Katherine Power 509 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: wasn't even as pretty as Anne was. We can see 510 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: this in jayways. It was either all for shure she 511 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: was living comfortably with all of the benefits of being 512 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: a queen, but none of the disadvantages of being married 513 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: when aging bloated and quite tyrannical king. But also Anne 514 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: was publicly rejected and she had no real role in England. 515 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: But she couldn't exactly return to Cleaves because because if 516 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: she did, she would return penniless, she would be dependent 517 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: on her brother, and she would be shamed and ridiculed 518 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: for being an unworthy wife to equate to a king. 519 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: And so because of Henry's initial statements of you know, 520 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: the first night of him saying that she wasn't made 521 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: rumor goes around that you know, she had a child 522 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: and this, like Henry has this investigated, but there was 523 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: like zero evidence this ever happened. Like no, and she 524 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really have freedom. I mean one, it's the middle 525 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: fucking ages. No woman has freedom like her servants are 526 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: expected to report on her movements. The letter she writes 527 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: to her family are monitored. You know, Ann's mother raised 528 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: her to be frugal, but she was terrible with money. 529 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: She was she was often in debt. So when Henry 530 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: dies in fifteen forty seven and nine year old Edward 531 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: takes the throne and status quickly declines the king's counsel. 532 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: They kind of see her as a non person and 533 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: a drain on the resources, and they just take back 534 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: two of her manners that Henry had given her. So 535 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: she's a he. And she's like, you know what, fuck it, 536 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: Let's love life the best I can. And she turns 537 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: her house at Have into this kind of like a 538 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: miniature court. She receives esteemed guests from across the kingdom, 539 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: including Princess Elizabeth, and through all of these guests, she 540 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: keeps up with what's going on at court and gets 541 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: invitations to visit court herself. So when Edward dies and 542 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Mary the First comes to the throne, Elizabeth and Anne 543 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: get a place of honor at Mary's coronation, and in 544 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: the procession to Westminster Abbey, Anne and Elizabeth walk together 545 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: directly behind the new Queen. So, because Anna and Elizabeth 546 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: are both sort of because they're both Anglican Reformists, there's 547 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: a rumor spreading around that, you know, they're conspiring against 548 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: Queen Mary and her Catholic regime. Mary was like, no, 549 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: Anne is doing no such a thing, so Ane, in 550 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: typical fashion, she just she leaves court pretty soon after 551 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: Mary gets the thrown and spends most of her time 552 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: out by like Chelsea or hea her and she's gonna, 553 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, just live her life quietly. When Anne's health 554 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: starts to fail and she's just outliving her life out by, 555 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: and she starts getting ill. When and as this happens, 556 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: Mary lets her stay in Chelsea old manner. So Anne 557 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: starts dictating her last will and testament. So she mentions 558 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: her brother, her sister, her sister in law, Princess Elizabeth, 559 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: the Duchess of Suffolk and the Countess of Arundel, so 560 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: in her will it names nearly all her servants individually. 561 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: She left keepsakes to both of her stepdaughters and Catherine, 562 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: the dowerder Duchess of Suffolk, which was a really brave 563 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: move because Catherine had actually gone into exile during Mary's reign. 564 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: But the reason Anna left something for her was because 565 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: Catherine was one of the first people to welcome her 566 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: when she got to England. When it came to her servants, 567 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: Anne had bequested that Mary and Elizabeth employ her servants 568 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: in their households so they had somewhere to work. And 569 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: all of her servants they never had anything bad to 570 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: say about her. It was she was generally love and 571 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: on the sixteenth of July fifteen fifty seven, at the 572 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: age of forty one, Anne of Cleaves past away and 573 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: she is buried in Westminster Abbey on the third of 574 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: August fifteen fifty seven. It really shows you how sensible 575 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: and of Cleaves must have been. I mean, granted, she 576 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: outlived all of the other of Henry's wives and probably 577 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: had a better ending than most of them. She managed 578 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: to stay in everybody's like good graces. Like so she 579 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: had seen. She had been publicly rejected by the king, 580 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: she had properties taken off of her by Edward the sex, 581 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: she survived taking the throne and instigating a Catholic regime. 582 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: And apart from the initial statements regarding her looks and 583 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 1: her beauty afar from that small pocket of insults, nobody 584 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: really had a bad thing to say about her. She 585 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: was well liked. So what did we learn today? Sometimes 586 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: pragmatism is more important than principle if you want to survive. 587 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: What did we learn today? Sometimes pragmatism is more important 588 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: than principle if you want to survive. I'm not sure 589 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: I could take such a public rejection as well as 590 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: and died. You were not to blame for an old 591 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: dude's impotence. Male order brides are people too. That's it. 592 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: Not fuck that, you know what, That's what it is. 593 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's oh my goodness, I sorry, but 594 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: I just like realized that those political marriages when they 595 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: get a princess from another like region or country or 596 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: whatever to come over Maria King or prince or whatever 597 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: the hell it was at the time, Like, that's a 598 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: male order bride ye ol day style, Like what the fuck? Okay, yeah, 599 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: if you like today's story, feel free to go on 600 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: to Apple Podcasts and rate and review five stars. You 601 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: don't have to say anything about the podcast. You can 602 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: say round and round the Rugged Rocks, the Ragged Rascal Run. 603 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: That's our story of Ann of Cleaves. But anyway, I 604 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: am gonna go, So until next time, Adios au revoir 605 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: of Waiaz My Friends,