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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: It's all a lie, a fabrication as some people call it.

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Speaker 2: It's an outright lie. As many of you legal eagles

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Speaker 2: had already figured out through your sleuthing and just playing

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Speaker 2: common sense, Carly Russell is a big liar. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to this.

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Speaker 3: But the question is where was she for those forty

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Speaker 3: nine hours? She said she stayed ends Hoover the entire

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Speaker 3: time and no one helped her. So where was she

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Speaker 3: for those forty nine hours?

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Speaker 2: Where did she sleep? Where did she stay?

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Speaker 3: How did she leave that area where she abandoned her

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Speaker 3: red Mercedes sedan? Now a lot of questions left unanswered.

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Speaker 3: We also asked about potential charges and the chief told

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Speaker 3: us they're looking into that. Prosecutors looking into what charges

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Speaker 3: could be found against her, and then they'll decide whether

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Speaker 3: those charges will be filed.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at WVTM with me an all

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Speaker 2: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But for those of you just joining us on the

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Speaker 2: story of twenty five year old Carly Russell, who says

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Speaker 2: that she is only trying to render a to a

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Speaker 2: top boy walking along the interstate wearing nothing but a

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Speaker 2: diaper and a shirt. Then she goes missing for forty

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Speaker 2: nine hours, throwing her family and the Hoover PD into

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Speaker 2: chaos as they search for her literally around the clock.

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Speaker 2: People donating nearly seventy thousand dollars to help find her,

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Speaker 2: one anonymous donor giving twenty five grand. They're not getting

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Speaker 2: any of that money back. The boyfriend that defended her

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Speaker 2: to the hilt has now broken up with her and

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Speaker 2: says quote, I'm disgusted. Well, I second that emotion. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what the chief of the

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Speaker 2: Hoover PD has to say in our cup fifty four.

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Speaker 4: Mister Anthony asked that I read the statement in its entirety,

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Speaker 4: which I will do now. My client has given me

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Speaker 4: permission to make the following statement on her behalf. There

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Speaker 4: was no kidnapping on Thursday July nineteen thirteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: My client did not see a baby on the side

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Speaker 4: of the road. My client did not leave the Hoovaria

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Speaker 4: which she was identified as a missing person. My client

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Speaker 4: did not have any help in this incident, but this

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Speaker 4: was a single act done by herself. My client was

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Speaker 4: not with anyone but any hotel with anyone from the

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Speaker 4: time she was missing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand that that is Chief Nick Durvis

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Speaker 2: from the Hoover PDE reading a statement of a lawyer

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Speaker 2: who has been given a statement by Curly Russell. Woman,

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Speaker 2: get out there and apologize yourself for Pete's sake. But

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Speaker 2: you're hearing from Curly Russell through her a lawyer, through

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Speaker 2: the chief. But I want you to hear this too.

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Speaker 2: Now you hear the Chief saying there was no base,

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Speaker 2: there was no one in danger. I was never missing.

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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to our cut seven, the nine

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Speaker 2: to one to one call. Listen to how Rich in detail, it.

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Speaker 5: Is four forty two for seventy one, forty two, seventy one,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be forty nine south, my marker ten. It's

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Speaker 5: gonna be a child walking on the three four year

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Speaker 5: old child walking on the side of the interstate next

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Speaker 5: to her. Harpe's going to be close behind the red

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Speaker 5: there's no cars in the areas. The child's been abandoned

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Speaker 5: on the side of the ridge. For one, you still

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Speaker 5: a little phone negative. But she's said that she would

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Speaker 2: Now remember police got to the scene in about four

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Speaker 2: minutes after that nine more month call. Now let's listen

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Speaker 2: to Carly Russell in her own words the detail I

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Speaker 6: Now one one, where's the records?

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Speaker 7: Say?

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Speaker 6: Hi, I am on Interstate four fifty nine and there

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Speaker 6: is a kid just walking by their selves. Oh, hold on,

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you're before that exit, yes, okay? And where

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Speaker 6: Maybe like three or four? Did you pull over with them? A?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Okay you're Are you with the child right now?

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Speaker 11: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I didn't get out of the car.

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Speaker 5: I'm I can see them, though.

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Speaker 6: Can you do you mind staying and keep an eye

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Speaker 6: What kind of car are you in? I'm in a

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Speaker 11: I mean it's a Sedan story.

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Speaker 6: Can you put your hazards off for me?

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Speaker 9: They're on?

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Speaker 6: Okay. Did you talk to the child on or did

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Speaker 6: Do they look like they're injured? No, they don't.

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Speaker 2: I love listening to this. I w one one call

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Speaker 2: because I know every word she says is a big

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Speaker 2: fat lie. And can you imagine her in her red

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Speaker 2: Listen to more cut fifteen.

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Speaker 6: Are they wife like a Senak or amyl? They're white

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Speaker 6: as a male or female? I think it's a boy,

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Speaker 6: a little boy, I'm right now. Okay. Is he wearing clothes?

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Speaker 6: What is he wearing? It's a white T shirt. And

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Speaker 6: looks like a diaper. And you don't see any cars

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Speaker 6: any no, no cause anywhere? Okay, all right, what's your name?

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Speaker 6: My name is Carl Russell. And you don't see any

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Speaker 6: injuries on the shop from where you're at, correct? No, no,

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Speaker 6: But I can't really see them that good, okay, And

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Speaker 6: all right, I've got them on the way. Okay, just

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Speaker 6: try to say, keep an eye on them, but officers

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Speaker 2: Man, she's such a good samaritan. A good samaritan that

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Speaker 2: costs the taxpayers, that says about five hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: nearly seventy thousand dollars in donations that they're not going

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Speaker 2: to get back with me an all star panel. But

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Speaker 2: can I first go to Cheryl McCollum, founder director of

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Speaker 2: the Cold Case Research Institute, Star of Zone seven, A

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Speaker 2: hitting you podcast, and you can find her at coldcasecrimes

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Speaker 2: dot org. Cheryl. Really, he's wearing nothing but a diaper,

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Speaker 2: and I can't tell if he has on any shoes.

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Speaker 2: And he's a white male, about three or four years old.

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Speaker 2: And I'm so worried. I'm so worried. The I'm not

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Speaker 2: getting out of my car, of course, but i am worried.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to follow him for six hundred yards

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Speaker 2: in my car, that six football fields as I try. Boy,

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Speaker 2: that little tot should be in the Olympics if it

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Speaker 2: I mean, the story reaped on day one. That's why

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Speaker 2: I didn't cover it exactly on day one because it

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Speaker 2: was a lie. He was obviously a lie. And we

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Speaker 2: have actual people that are really missing, being raped, being

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Speaker 2: a whole big deal because what I just want somebody

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Speaker 2: to love me, really get online. Woman, There are millions

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Speaker 2: of people out there that will love you. But why

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Speaker 2: do this? What about this statement on nine one one?

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Speaker 11: You make excellent points, but let's hope for a second

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Speaker 11: about what we don't hear her say. We don't hear

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Speaker 11: her say please hurry. We don't hear her say help.

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Speaker 11: We don't hear her say I'm going to go out

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Speaker 12: Get into the expressway.

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Speaker 11: She's just in her car, chilling, and she's only answering questions.

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Speaker 11: She didn't offer the description. She didn't offer that he

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Speaker 11: The only truthful statement she says in the whole thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, now we're just trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: really happened during those days. And I've got a pretty

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Speaker 2: good idea that she was holed up in something akin

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Speaker 13: Unclassified Complaints fourteen sixty six Montgomery Highway at the red

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Speaker 13: that's missing, Carly Russell. Fifty four family members are saying

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Speaker 5: Born around six and the responding units, I just spoke

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Speaker 2: Well, I know this. This is fourteen sixty six Montgomery

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's correct or not, Shinquela Bronx. Is

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Speaker 2: that real? Is that what she was doing while people

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Savannah Sap multimedia journalist reporter WAFF forty eight in Bama.

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Speaker 2: You can find her on Twitter at Savannah Sap sapp

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Speaker 2: Savannah what and the Hey if this girl is snugged

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Speaker 2: up in a king sized bed with ac on low,

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Speaker 2: ordering room service and watching pay per view while everyone

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Speaker 2: is tearing their hair out trying to find her. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to do a backflip. A backflip, Savannah Sap. What

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Speaker 2: do we know?

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Speaker 7: It's honestly confusing to say the least. You know, her

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Speaker 7: statement that was written to an attorney and given to

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Speaker 7: police through the attorney claims that she was not at

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Speaker 7: a hotel. But you have all of these people who

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Speaker 7: are commenting against that, and you have screenshots of you know,

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Speaker 7: family members and friends of hers texting each other saying, yes,

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Speaker 7: she was absolutely at a red roof in. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's again, it's confusing, to say the least. And if

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Speaker 7: you know, hundreds of thousands of people are wondering where

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Speaker 7: she is, if she's even alive, I think that says

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Speaker 2: It's perjury. Perjury is a crime. Now I want to

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Speaker 2: point out that Curly Russell is being handled with kid gloves.

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Speaker 2: You got to blame somebody, the evil person that is

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Speaker 8: They're going to pull every resource they can get on

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Speaker 9: But does she know the difference between right and wrong?

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Speaker 2: Guys. Take a listen to our cut to our friends

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Speaker 15: What happened to Carly Russell Hoover pet says. On Thursday,

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Speaker 15: According to police, Carly then called a relative to tell

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Speaker 2: Police have used every synonym for a lie. They're saying

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Speaker 2: I believe since her cell phone was left behind, she

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, it always comes down to you, right

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Speaker 2: the search for Curly Russell?

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Speaker 11: They had air helicopter land, they had people on foot,

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Speaker 11: they had canines. They had, you know, her cell phone

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Speaker 11: being looked at. They were interviewing family, friends and co workers.

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Speaker 11: They pulled everybody off, you know, having days off. This

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Speaker 11: was a full court press, every available person, including citizens

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Speaker 11: that came to volunteer Nancy. She had the SEI, the

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Speaker 11: Secret Service, Hoover Police, Alabama State Police, she had you

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Speaker 11: and Crime Online, she had the Today. Think of the

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Speaker 11: resources that were given to her and every homicide, true

447
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Speaker 11: missing person, child molization, aggravated assault, domestic violence. They were

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Speaker 11: all put on hold to search for her because they

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Speaker 11: believed time was of the essence. But I want to

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Speaker 11: say something very clearly, she didn't pool everybody. Because you

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Speaker 11: and I were talking Saturday and Sundays, we knew it

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Speaker 11: was bogus.

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Speaker 2: On tay one because it didn't add up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the story didn't make any sense. How many times did

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Speaker 2: you and I look at that video scouring it, blowing

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Speaker 2: it up, playing in a slow mo. There was no

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Speaker 2: boy walking along the side of the interstate. That was

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Speaker 2: all a big light. And let me tell you what

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Speaker 2: Jesse Smilett got. Take a listen to our cut forty

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Speaker 2: four from the Today Show.

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Speaker 17: Judge James Lynn sentencing spen led to thirty months felony probation,

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Speaker 17: including that jail time. Ordering he paid more than one

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Speaker 17: hundred and twenty one thousand dollars in restitution to the

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Speaker 17: City of Chicago and pay the maximum fine twenty five

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Speaker 17: thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: You've turned your life upside down by her this conduct

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Speaker 4: in Shenanigans.

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Speaker 2: You've destroyed your life.

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Speaker 4: As you knew it.

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Speaker 17: As a defiant Smolette was taken into custody last night,

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Speaker 17: his family blasting the judge's decision.

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Speaker 7: He's the reason why folks aren't going to report hate crimes.

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Speaker 14: They're the reason why folks aren't going to report hate crimes.

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Speaker 2: No, Smollette, you're the problem, not everybody else. And the

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Speaker 2: same thing here, people giving time, energy, blood, sweat and

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Speaker 2: tears to find Curly Russell when she's obviously propped up

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Speaker 2: somewhere having takeout, watching the news about her own disappearance.

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Speaker 2: And then of course there's Jennifer will Banks, the so

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Speaker 2: called runaway bride. Now, this wedding was a big shindig

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Speaker 2: in high society Atlanta. I mean a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: tens one thousands of dollars shelld out for a big

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Speaker 2: wedding and poof the bride disappears, she gets quote kidnapped.

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Speaker 2: Take a listener to our cut forty seven or nine

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Speaker 2: to one one, call I hold, I was I say there?

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Speaker 6: I mean I was saying her forties. Maybe it was

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Speaker 6: a medium bill.

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Speaker 13: I don't know head?

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Speaker 7: Do you have black?

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Speaker 6: Was it longer?

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Speaker 8: Short?

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Speaker 14: Short?

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Speaker 6: Having a facial hair?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 6: The color SHORKATACKI with you where I want to ask

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Speaker 6: on him? He had on a maroon jacking and I

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Speaker 6: don't know what color? Sure under the color he now

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Speaker 6: boy teens and looking of vehicle with you braving It

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Speaker 6: was a boy's van like a work band. Was it

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Speaker 6: a convergon banner as minigan?

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Speaker 7: It wasn't a median.

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Speaker 6: It was like a like a paint, like a painter

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Speaker 6: work band. What direction did they leave in?

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Speaker 4: I don't I have no idea run I know where.

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Speaker 2: I am, Dear Lord in heaven shell not do you

505
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Speaker 2: hear that? It sounds like Carl Russell at her elaborate

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Speaker 2: lie about this little barefoot boy wearing a diaper that

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Speaker 2: she's trying desperately to say, yet not getting out of

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Speaker 2: her car. Did you hear that hispanic males, short hair,

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Speaker 2: no facial hair, a maroon jacket, blue jeans, a blue van,

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Speaker 2: but no, not a conversion or a mini van. It

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Speaker 2: was a paint work van. I mean, this woman had

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Speaker 2: so many details. I mean, was she just running this

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Speaker 2: like a movie in her head?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I don't know. You know, when you start looking at

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Speaker 14: the stories that people tell about what happened to them,

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Speaker 14: one of the things that you focus on is their

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Speaker 14: ability to recall selective details, details.

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Speaker 2: That benefit them.

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Speaker 14: But they don't recall details that may put a whole

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Speaker 14: in their story or that may bring things into question.

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Speaker 14: And that's exactly what you have. Here's what you haven't

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Speaker 14: called the Russell's case. And you know that's a major

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Speaker 14: tip off for investigators.

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Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl, I'm surprised you could keep all those

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Speaker 2: facts straight, but she did. The level of detail is rich.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Now, I know that you, Cheryl, and everyone on our

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Speaker 2: panel has heard the name Jesse Smolette. You've heard about

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Wilbanks, a so called runaway bride. But what about

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Rossi and Nicholas Avederian. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: cut forty nine WFLA.

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Speaker 18: Nicholas Alvertian crave fame and founded as a self proclaimed

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Speaker 18: crusader for children's rights. He's now locked up in a

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Speaker 18: Scottish prison facing extradition on a rape charge, eighteen years

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Speaker 18: after he claimed he was sexually assaulted in Bradenton.

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Speaker 2: Wipeyden Blood Nicholas.

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Speaker 18: Alvertian talked in dramatic terms with me a decade ago

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Speaker 18: about this federal lawsuit that named several defendants, including the

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Speaker 18: Florida Agency for Healthcare Administration. In two thousand and four,

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Speaker 18: a teenaged Alavertian was placed in a Bradenton children' psychiatric

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Speaker 18: hospital by Rhode Island's version of DCF. He alleged he

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Speaker 18: was assaulted within the first two weeks of the placement

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Speaker 18: in Florida and abused in other facilities in other states.

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Speaker 18: According to the lawsuit that ended with an undisclosed settlement,

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Speaker 18: he not.

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Speaker 2: Only faked sex assaults, he faked his disappearance and did

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Speaker 2: a really good job at it as well. And then,

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Speaker 2: of course we've got the Queen of fake disappearances, Sherry Peppini.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen, our friend Matt Gutman and our cut

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Speaker 2: thirty eight from GMA.

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Speaker 19: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty

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Speaker 19: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a

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Speaker 19: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a

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Speaker 19: trucker stopping and calling nine one one for her. That

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Speaker 19: call her for the first time this morning.

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Speaker 8: Hey, what's turning? You're chained up?

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Speaker 6: She's chained up?

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Speaker 2: Yes, she said she was chained up, beaten, branded like

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Speaker 2: you see on TV, branding cattle. And it turns out

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Speaker 2: she was hold up with her boyfriend the whole time

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Speaker 2: and actually tortured herself. Hard to believe, but it happened.

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Speaker 2: Karen Starr, that was a lot to swallow that she

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Speaker 2: would brand herself, break her own tooth, beat herself, but

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Speaker 2: she did, and she admitted to it.

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Speaker 9: Nat she think about the amounts of attention she was

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Speaker 9: able to get and how exciting that must have been

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Speaker 9: with her for her, I mean, here she is, she's

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Speaker 9: with her boyfriend and able to get everybody sterracal about

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Speaker 9: what happened to her. And that's narcissism to the highest

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Speaker 9: degree that you could think of.

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Speaker 2: Well, slow down, narcissism, explain.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, that's somebody who is so involved with themselves,

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Speaker 9: so much above the law that they could go to

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Speaker 9: that kind of extent to make sure that people see

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Speaker 9: them as a victim and worry about them. And that's

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Speaker 9: intention to speed on what's going on. It makes them

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Speaker 9: really feel loved and wanted.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to figure out is why there hasn't

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Speaker 2: been an arrest. Savannah sapp joining us from waff forty eight, Alabama.

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Speaker 2: They are handling her with kid gloves, and I understand

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Speaker 2: sympathy or empathy for her, wondering what drove her to

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Speaker 2: do this, But the reality is is regardless of her

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Speaker 2: depression or sadness or desire for attention, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 2: she lied in a police report, lied to detectives, and

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Speaker 2: obstructive justice. Those are three charges that have yet to

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Speaker 2: be leveled against her. What is happening, Savannah.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I would certainly, you know, believe that

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Speaker 7: that is under discussion amongst the District Attorney's office and

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Speaker 7: her return. You know, just with this statement quote unquote

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Speaker 7: statement from Carly through her attorney coming through, you know,

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Speaker 7: I think that was an effort to try and alleviate

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Speaker 7: any sort of accusations or charges coming Carly's way. And

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Speaker 7: I also just very quickly. I want to kind of

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Speaker 7: pear it what Cheryl said earlier. You know, she not

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Speaker 7: only took a lot of time from investigators, but you

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Speaker 7: also have to look at it from a media standpoint.

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Speaker 7: We had all hands on deck sharing Carly's story from

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Speaker 7: all over the state. The whole state of Alabama was

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Speaker 7: sharing her story is as well as national headlines. So

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Speaker 7: not that you know she would be responsible for our coverage,

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Speaker 7: but that's just something else to think of when you're

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Speaker 7: talking about all of the resources that were I mean.

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Speaker 2: The moment I heard the story heard about her disappearance,

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Speaker 2: we immediately put it as the lead at crime online

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Speaker 2: dot Com and put it out on social media over

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Speaker 2: and over and over to get attention and get the

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Speaker 2: tip line out there for people to help find Carly.

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Speaker 2: We contacted people in Alabama involved in the search to

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Speaker 2: try to find out what was happening and how we

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Speaker 2: could help. All the whiles, Cheryl McCollum, there are real

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Speaker 2: victims of real crimes that need our help. I'm not

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Speaker 2: as worried about the media, but I'm more worried about people.

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Speaker 2: I remember working long nights, weekends on Easter, on Thanksgiving,

615
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Speaker 2: on my so called vacation with my family, working, cases, working, working.

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Speaker 2: If I found out later that the victim was lying,

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Speaker 2: I would be so deflated.

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Speaker 11: Nancy again, the resources that she took from actual victims

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Speaker 11: is astonishing. But I tell you what, they need to

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Speaker 11: be concerned about who's next. If you do not send

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Speaker 11: a message that we are not going to put up

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Speaker 11: with hoaxes and lies and outright premeditated crime, then what

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Speaker 11: are we doing in the DA's offer.

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Speaker 2: You know, just want people to understand what a search

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Speaker 2: like this entails, mud, rain, dirt, long hours, twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven, looking worried, dealing with the victims' families who

627
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Speaker 2: are all distraught. I mean, can you imagine if you

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Speaker 2: thought your child was missing. Mike Hassel, You've been through

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Speaker 2: it all. Mike Castle, president founder Peace River Canine Search

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Speaker 2: and Rescue, Explain the blood, sweat and tears it goes

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Speaker 2: into a search like this.

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Speaker 8: Well, the one factor nobody's talking about is the incredible

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Speaker 8: heat that we're dealing with this year. And I just

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Speaker 8: came off a search where we were out last night

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Speaker 8: and the heat injuries were unreal. We lose four or

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Speaker 8: five people going down from heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

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Speaker 8: And the dogs are crapping out after thirty minutes because

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Speaker 8: they're just cooked. And there's a lot of resources that

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Speaker 8: go into having to keep the people up. You can

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Speaker 8: get a searcher out there that can work for an hour,

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Speaker 8: maybe maybe an hour and a half if you're lucky,

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Speaker 8: but then they're down for two hours because they got

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Speaker 8: to cool off and get ready. The same thing with

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Speaker 8: the dogs. You can get them for twenty minutes, and

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Speaker 8: then Zog has to rest for fifty minutes because he's

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Speaker 8: got a cool down before you can go back out.

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Speaker 8: So there's a lot of injuries involved here, snakes and

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Speaker 8: UNEs and you know all kinds of stuff that goes

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Speaker 8: on that, and especially for volunteers, because you know, we volunteer.

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Speaker 8: We go out wet, we help a law enforcement on

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Speaker 8: these searches, but we have to cover our own expenses

652
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Speaker 8: and we have to cover our own health insurance. So

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Speaker 8: we get injured, it's on us.

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Speaker 2: Then there is a Chloe Stine, and I bring her

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Speaker 2: up because she's about the same age as Carly Russell.

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Speaker 2: She faked in her own abduction. Who does she blame

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Speaker 2: a fake cop? I guess she was running out of

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Speaker 2: people to blame. I want you to take a listen

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Speaker 2: hour cut thirty seven. Our friends from WTAA regarding Chloe

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Speaker 2: Stine say.

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Speaker 20: Police say she created an entire scenario to make people

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Speaker 20: think she had been abducted by someone posing as a

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Speaker 20: police officer on her way home from work Monday night.

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Speaker 20: That set off a massive search effort yesterday afternoon, police

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Speaker 20: estimating the entire ordeal costing thousands, if not tens of

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Speaker 20: thousands of dollars. Stein was found not far from her

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Speaker 20: home yesterday evening. Police say at first she told them

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Speaker 20: she was abducted, held at gunpoint, and then released. Eventually.

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Speaker 20: Court documents they client admitted to never being in danger

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Speaker 20: and making the whole thing up.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I really did. Cherry Peppinie Justice take

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Speaker 2: a listen to cut twenty seven GMA.

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Speaker 19: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty

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Speaker 19: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a

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Speaker 19: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a

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Speaker 19: trucker stopping and calling nine one one for her. That

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Speaker 19: call her for the first time this morning.

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Speaker 8: Hey, what's turning? We're you're chained up.

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Speaker 6: She's chained up.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know how Matt Gutman and our friend

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Speaker 2: from ABC kept a straight face on this. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to cut forty.

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Speaker 19: It wasn't until more than three years later that trace

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Speaker 19: DNA found on Peppini led to this mystery man ex

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Speaker 19: boyfriend James Reyes, who admitted he helped Peppinie inflict those

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Speaker 19: injuries on herself.

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Speaker 8: So there's a brand on her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's significant bruising.

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Speaker 2: And she did while she was here.

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Speaker 14: I mean, she just hit herself with.

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Speaker 2: Something held her.

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Speaker 5: I mean I didn't pinch her anything.

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Speaker 2: Help you just shot the bug off her, lady. The

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Speaker 2: extremes that Peppinie went to to fake her abduction. But

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Speaker 2: how are we going to figure out the truth here?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to determine what happened to Carly

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Speaker 2: Russell during those days that she was missing and we

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Speaker 2: were all doing summersaults to help find her. You know,

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Speaker 2: to you, Lee Reebert, what's the best way of finding

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Speaker 2: out where Curly Russell was during those forty nine hours?

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Speaker 12: You know, I think the important thing if we look

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Speaker 12: at the Teamy case, they got a lot of the

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Speaker 12: leads from call records, right, they found out that she

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Speaker 12: was calling some friends or some boyfriends, and I think

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Speaker 12: in this case too, it might come down to that.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure that they're still going over phone records. We

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Speaker 12: had this whole red red mouth in who did she call?

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Speaker 12: You know, did she call someone? Was there additional people?

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Speaker 12: They're going to look at them, maybe the phones or

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Speaker 12: the family members of boyfriends. I look at those records

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Speaker 12: to see if any phone numbers from a red robin

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Speaker 12: or unknown number had come in. So I think they're

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Speaker 12: still going to be some investigation into that, and I believe,

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Speaker 12: you know, I would think that they're going to bring

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Speaker 12: someone else in that had knowledge for disappear.

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Speaker 2: You know. Another issue. Cheryl McCollum joining us from Zone

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Speaker 2: seven podcast. Cheryl, there have been allegations that she had

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Speaker 2: sent messages while she was missing to the bo boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I believe that because the boyfriend

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Speaker 2: was so distraught and I think he was genuine trying

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Speaker 2: to find her. If he was getting messages from her,

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Speaker 2: that would indicate he knew she was alive. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that. But we've seen very often people use cell

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Speaker 2: phones right as if there's someone else texting, like potentially

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Speaker 2: her abductor, texting family or friends, taunting them about what

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Speaker 2: could happen to her. I think we're going to find

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Speaker 2: a digital trail. I think we're going to find a

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Speaker 2: food trail, and I think we're going to find eyewitnesses.

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Speaker 11: I don't think the police are done with anybody. I

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Speaker 11: think they're going to keep interviewing people. He keeps putting

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Speaker 11: statements out. The first statement that he ever put out

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Speaker 11: seeing the little self serving, it was more about him

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Speaker 11: than it was her. Again, I don't think he showed

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Speaker 11: any real fear. He was thanking teammates and telling everybody

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Speaker 11: he's doing this for her, and she would do the same.

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Speaker 11: He's put out another statement where he using words like us, we,

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Speaker 11: and with so. Again, the police are going to keep

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Speaker 11: talking to people, whether it's her cousins, her good friends,

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Speaker 11: or her ex boyfriends. Did she have any help and

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Speaker 11: did anybody know that this was a hoax before she

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Speaker 11: came clean?

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Speaker 2: We wait as just as un false. If you have

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Speaker 2: information or think you have information, dial two zero five

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Speaker 2: eight two two fifty three hundred. Goodbye friend,