WEBVTT - Initial Thoughts On Vince Doc Ep 1 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.680 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.520 By from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.880 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.960 Brian Alvarez and Mike sempervv. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:24.160 Right you ready? 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.320 Are you ready? 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:26.840 Let's get it off. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.840 How's it going, everybody? Bryan Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.839 We are here almost every day Monday through Friday, New 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.919 Pacific three Eastern Sundays, three Pacific six Eastern Saturday Mornings 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.479 with Jim Valley ten and Pacific one Eastern Sundays with 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.920 andrews Arian And man, it's Wednesday here on the show. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.519 And you know what that means. Well, we have a 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.520 lot to talk about, and I'm not going to talk 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.120 about everything because, for numerous reasons, I'm in the middle 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.960 of the first episode of the Vince McMahon docu series. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.480 I'm gonna see how much I can get watched today. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.640 But lots of stuff going on, a lot of other 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.000 things as well. But hey, Dave and Garrett are watching 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.360 the entire thing, so if you want their recap, that's 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.240 going to be up on the front page of Wrestling 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.160 Observer dot com and today, Lance Storm I think will 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.679 have watched probably half of them by the time we 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.800 do his show at a two thirty Pacific five thirty Eastern, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.040 which is the time two thirty Pacific five thirty eastern, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.560 so we'll hear a lot from him as well. 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Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.240 like simper Vv also Wrestling Observer dot Com apologize for 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.560 no show yesterday. I'll just let you know now. I'm 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.560 skeptical there's gonna be an Observer Live tomorrow, but if 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.080 it works out, it'll happen. But I will be back 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:38.400 for fun Friday. Fear not. I will have fun on Friday, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.480 barring some disaster. So yeah, there was a disaster. The 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.920 other day. Granny had a massive heart attack. I think 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.080 most people are aware of this by now. When you 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.640 have a massive heart attack at ninety four, you're supposed 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.159 to be dead. But they took her to the hospital, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.560 and I was unaware that, like nowadays, they don't have 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.039 to like cut you open. They sent a stent in 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.320 through her groin, opened up one clogged artery, and then 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.200 they said you're good to go. Everything's good, your heart's great. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.080 It's like what, So she is still in the hospital 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.560 right now. She's had this thing with her leg. Her 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.480 leg gets swollen, and so I think they're doing extra 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.000 tests to find out so if they can find out 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.280 what the heck's up with her leg. But as far 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.440 as like, she's alive and apparently doing all right. I 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.040 tried to call her this morning, but she's she was 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.720 watching the soaps, was not taking any calls. Nine and 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.160 noon off limits, So I don't have an update other 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.280 than she was watching her soaps. Do not call her 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:47.040 during that period, and and I presume that Victor is 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:47.720 up to no good. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.360 Yeah, I just need to know if she's taking notes 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.640 on Young and the Restless so she's ready when she 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.840 comes back on Friday. She says she wants to. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.640 She's probably gonna check in on Friday with Vinnie and I, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.760 so probably get her check in during the show. But 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.040 you know, I hadn't alerted her, so I'm not sure 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.920 I should, you know, drop her a call right in 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.360 the middle of Observer Live, but you never know. So anyway, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.200 thank you everybody who sent in the well wishes one 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.080 way the other. I mean, I was like flood. It 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.040 was like I had a heart attack. I got so 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:25.040 many messages people whether it's taxs, DMS, emails, the whole 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.960 nine yards, multiple threads on the board, I mean everywhere. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.400 So and it was all positive. If you had a 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.880 heart attack, you'd get probably the same amount of mail, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.120 but it may not all be. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.199 It would probably be some celebratory emails. But at the 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.280 end of the day, I mean, she'll she'll just be, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.160 she'll be won another heart attack after she sees how 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.360 much attention she got from this one right here. So 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.600 we'll see when you get an update on her. I 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.200 told I told my mom and sister if there's any 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:52.960 update during the show to let us know and we 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.679 would tell everybody what's going on. But seems everything's fine. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.640 I've heard nothing other than you know, probably out today tomorrow. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.319 And that's that amazing how fast they get you out 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.199 of there. My stepfather had a heart attack. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.959 Oh they kicked her out of that room before the 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.200 day was even up, Like you can't be in this 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:11.920 room anymore. You got to go to the like your 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:12.520 fine room. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.280 My stepfather had what was a mild one, but he 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.400 had a blockage that they opened up, and my mother 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.600 took him to the to the hospital, to the little 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.960 center that they had and they airlifted him to the 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.920 and then within twenty four hours, boom, out of there, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.920 everything's fixed. Boom, you're gone, and now here's your bill 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.960 for seventy thousand dollars. So yeah, it was. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:38.640 It was. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.840 It's amazing how fast they can turn things over. One 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.280 the surgery itself and then to get you out of 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.320 there without having to rest or really watch too much. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.240 I'm pretty sure if I need surgery for my tormniscus, 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.800 I'm probably gonna be in like, I'll probably be in 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.160 there longer than Granny, and it'll probably be significantly more 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.640 serious than sending this little gimmick. I don't know, man, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.920 I don't picture of getting out of there that day, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:04.680 but maybe I will. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.920 You're meniscus, you'll be out of there pretty quick. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.800 Actually, I guess. I don't know how these things working. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.400 The hardest part is all the waiting around it, when 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.160 you're doing forms in triplicate and this that and the third, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.880 and then you got to sit there and wait. That's 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.040 really the hardest part of all of that stuff. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.120 I just remember when I was a kid how serious 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.120 all this stuff was, and now it's like take a 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.000 guy's brain out, put it back in and he's good 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:26.360 to go. It's crazy. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.640 When we were kids, they just started to do more 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.199 with artificial hearts and things like that. I mean, it's 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.720 not anywhere near where they're at right now. I mean 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.520 the ability for blind people or deaf people that have 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.600 been that way their entire lives to see in some 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.160 aspect or to all of a sudden here for the 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.439 first time. It's just absolutely amazing. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.640 Well, I will say this, I will say one thing. Actually, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.199 Lance says he had both and he's done for the tormniscus. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.880 He was out in two hours. That would certainly be 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.480 nice if I could just get this MRI. I have 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.680 to call him and start. Maybe I'll have to go 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:03.520 on my Twitter. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.640 That's what always work, sewing to pick you up or 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.720 who's going to be picking you up from that? Deal? 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.840 Vinnie Vinnie, I can see being way too busy to 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:10.800 come do that for you. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.800 So well, I want to say one thing before we 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.839 move on, and that is that if you are listening 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.440 to this and you are old and you've got one 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.559 of those those life alert gimmicks, wear it, yeah, because 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.080 that's the reason that Granny is alive. This all happened. 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.000 Click push the button. They were there and she's alive, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.160 So don't don't have that thing and you know, put 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:33.359 it on the dresser. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.920 Or fall and not be able to get it back up. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.040 That's true. That's true. Okay. So, as I mentioned before 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.640 the first or in the opening segment, I have seen 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.599 like forty minutes of the first Vince McMahon episode. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.520 Do you already have your piece written out for it? 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.719 I haven't, But there's two things I want to say 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.200 from watching forty minutes, Okay. One of them is, you know, 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.320 I've seen feedback from people, you know, feedback from people 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.880 that have watched more, and you know, maybe I'll feel 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.320 this way, but I mean very hard on the people 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:12.880 that said positive things about Vince. And I mean they 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.880 flat out say at the very beginning of the episode 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.320 the vast majority of these interviews were conducted before any 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.080 of this happened. And granted, it's not like Vince was 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.040 known to be like a great guy before all of 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.920 this happened, but it does seem like, you know, people 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.719 are really getting down on people that you know, had 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 nice things to say about Vince and what he did 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.000 for their lives in interviews that occurred before any of 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.400 this happened, so I didn't want to mention that, and 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.000 then I don't think that's fair. And then the other 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:49.480 thing is Vince at the very beginning of the show, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.760 and like everybody that they talked about said the same thing. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.320 They said, I don't really know who this mister Mcmahonfela is. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.680 I don't really know who Vince is. And even Vince himself, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.319 you know, he goes, I've been spending a long time 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.240 trying to figure out who I am, and I'm not 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.920 entirely sure yet. And then you know, they start talking 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.559 about where wrestling is and how you create this reality 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.760 and you create these characters and everything like that, and 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.520 you know, Vince is telling a lot of stories about 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.200 his life and I haven't got to the part where 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.839 like he claims, we didn't use guns during the Attitude era, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.720 and then they have all this footage of guns and everything, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.439 Like everything he says they didn't do, they have actual 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.160 footage of it. So there is that, but you know, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.160 with him with him, and also I guess you know 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.560 to a degree, Hogan, but Hogan hasn't really started lying yet. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.200 Haven't got to the WrestleMania three stuff. Some of this 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.320 is just you know, some of it I think is 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.120 Vince is full of it, but some of it is 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:56.200 also I don't think he actually remembers. I mean when 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.800 you when you are a fan, I mean you watch 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.840 all all of these shows, and sometimes you watch the 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:07.000 shows again, and sometimes you go back and you study 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.480 all of this and everything. And I remember this from 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.560 the Monday Night Wars. It's like I would talk to 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.680 people from each side and like we knew everything that 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.160 was going on. So we watched all the shows, but 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.160 like they had no idea what was going on elsewhere. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.520 It's like or even on their own show, it was 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.280 like they showed up and they had their thing they 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:23.600 had to do, and then they had to go out 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:24.840 there and they had to do it, and then they 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.560 had to come back, and it's like, you know, they 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.520 didn't know anything that was going on. And I think 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.960 with Vince, when you think about how many hours of 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.000 TV that he did and how many segments of TV 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.720 and all those years that he was like busy doing 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.040 his segments while other things were going on, I mean, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.200 I think there's a lot of stuff that like he's 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.240 not even lying about, he just doesn't remember. I mean, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.760 I'm not Vince obviously, but I've done a lot of shows, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.360 like twelve thousand shows, and I'll go to these things 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:00.960 and people will say, hey, remember when you did this 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.720 on the show. It's like, I don't remember that at all. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.280 Like I remember certain things, you know, the gold Boat 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.560 and Charmel and you know various I don't even remember 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.520 Christmas shows all that well for other reasons. But the 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.960 fact is, like there's so much stuff that people go 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.920 back and they listen to and they bring it up. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.320 I don't remember any part of this. So there's obviously 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.720 some things going on where Vince has created this character 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.280 for himself and he's telling these stories because that's what 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.880 he wants you to know about him or think about 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.440 him or whatever. But there's also a lot of stuff 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.200 that this dude flat out he don't remember. He doesn't 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.760 remember doing it, he doesn't remember the circumstances, nothing, and 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.560 then he gets embarrassed when they show footage of it. Anyway, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.160 we'll be back, get mikesots to be seen after the break. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:46.840 Observer Live. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:16:10.000 Sure, I kind to see, but they call me. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.560 You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Albarez 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:19.120 and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.480 Hey the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live like 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.120 simper vv, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. So what 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.120 have you seen, Mike. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.080 I have not seen anything yet. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:30.640 Wow. Me. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.480 I saw about four it was it four or five 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.640 reviews yesterday by people talking about it, all kind of 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.400 saying the same thing, which was, if you were familiar 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.240 with a lot of this documentary in the story, like 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.320 a lot of people that are listening to us right 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:54.880 now or watching us, there's nothing revelatory really on it, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:01.160 especially if you read the Abraham Josephine Reismann book. As 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.200 far as his Youth goes, there's really not much that's 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:10.439 going to be new there. But what I got from people, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.520 not only from those reviews, but from other people that 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.560 have watched it and that I've been corresponding with. For 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:23.520 people that don't know the story or are just relatively 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.359 casual wrestling fans, a lot of this is going to 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.000 probably open their eyes because they don't really know the pattern. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.080 Maybe they know about Chris Benoit or Owen Hart or 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.200 this or that, but it doesn't really you know, strike them, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.080 and they're you know, they're What people were telling me was, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.119 you know, for those people that really don't know the 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.680 depth and the layer of these stories and his personality, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:57.000 it is going to be somewhat relevatory to them. But 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.760 at some point I will probably watch it. From what 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.040 I've heard, there's nothing that makes me want to go 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.040 and get Netflix and jump into this thing right now. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.840 But something you brought up before the break talking about 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.960 Vince in his past and since he was the one 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.280 being involved in a lot of this stuff, there was 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.440 up on the front page of the site. I guess. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:24.120 Bill Simmons did a podcast with Okay where he does 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.399 talk about one line item out of that thing was 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.119 there were people there to remind Vince about his past 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.960 and to update him and to try to a team 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.800 of people that would say, no, well, Vince, this is this, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.720 and you know, to give him I guess the timeline. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.200 So that's what I saw in the article. I haven't 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.960 I'm I'm kind of interested in hearing the podcast because 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.080 for what Simmons had to go through, for what you 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.240 make your head to go for what you know, the 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.480 the Tiger King producer, I forget that gentleman's name, Chris Smith. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.600 You know that's almost is interesting to me as any 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.440 of the off in the doc because just everything getting 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.159 turned upside down and the having Netflix then be a 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.840 suitor for SmackDown, and all of those moving parts that 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.600 were going on towards the end of the documentary that 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:13.760 I'm really interested in. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.159 Bill Simmons said, it was certainly the strangest documentary process 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.840 I've ever been involved with. I don't think Vince. It 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.920 sounds so weird to say. I'm not sure Vince knew 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.520 what it meant to do the documentary. I'm not sure 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.080 that he knew what story he wanted to tell. This 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.680 was a shoemaker. I don't know if he knows who 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.040 he is enough to tell the story. Even when he 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:35.800 was eager, he wasn't there on time or on the 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.760 days he was supposed to be there, he always had 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.000 people with him. There was always people kind of lingering 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.560 the background, making sure nothing weird happened, reminding him of 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.800 things in the past. There was always a team. And 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:51.439 then let's see Chris Smith, the entire production team have 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.919 done so many documentaries. They've been working this world forever. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.399 This guy that did The Tiger King, none of them 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.879 had ever experienced a working situation like we encountered in 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.320 Connecticut to shoot, and then just all day long, beginning 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.360 updates from Vince's secretary about his ETA six hours eight 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.240 hours before the shoot, pushing him back an hour, pushing 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.480 it back another hour. He would roll in at eleven pm, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.880 pitch black, with his little crew around him and shake 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.480 everybody's hand. It was such a bizarre situation. We had 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.080 four hours of Vince's interview on the cutting room floor 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.080 because he sounded like a frog one day, didn't have 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.240 a voice. There was so much good material, but I 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.240 think the story Chris and his team were able to 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:33.200 put together was pretty amazing. Vince also said, I don't 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:38.000 see myself ever retiring. I never understood why people stopped growing. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.119 When you stop growing, you die. Some people are like, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.360 I want to retire one day. What are you going 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.439 to do when you retire. I have no sympathy for 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:50.280 people like that, So go die. This was before he retired. Yeah, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:55.840 well he didn't which by the way, before he resigned. Yeah, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.800 there we go, before he retired. I think we all 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:00.760 know what happened there. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.199 Well, you know, that's a very Vince way of putting 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.479 something that a lot of people believe once you stop 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.800 doing something and you're just gonna sit around, you know, 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.200 you're just waiting to die. There are people with that philosophy, 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.320 and Vince is certainly one with that type of philosophy. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.680 You know, a guy who was as big of a 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.280 megalomaniac as he is, that is cocooned in his own 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.480 little world where he was able to be the puppet 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.879 master for so long. You know, Yeah, he does not 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.040