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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Back of the show. Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: like simper Vv also Wrestling Observer dot Com apologize for
Speaker 1: no show yesterday. I'll just let you know now. I'm
Speaker 1: skeptical there's gonna be an Observer Live tomorrow, but if
Speaker 1: it works out, it'll happen. But I will be back
Speaker 1: for fun Friday. Fear not. I will have fun on Friday,
Speaker 1: barring some disaster. So yeah, there was a disaster. The
Speaker 1: other day. Granny had a massive heart attack. I think
Speaker 1: most people are aware of this by now. When you
Speaker 1: have a massive heart attack at ninety four, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be dead. But they took her to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and I was unaware that, like nowadays, they don't have
Speaker 1: to like cut you open. They sent a stent in
Speaker 1: through her groin, opened up one clogged artery, and then
Speaker 1: they said you're good to go. Everything's good, your heart's great.
Speaker 1: It's like what, So she is still in the hospital
Speaker 1: right now. She's had this thing with her leg. Her
Speaker 1: leg gets swollen, and so I think they're doing extra
Speaker 1: tests to find out so if they can find out
Speaker 1: what the heck's up with her leg. But as far
Speaker 1: as like, she's alive and apparently doing all right. I
Speaker 1: tried to call her this morning, but she's she was
Speaker 1: watching the soaps, was not taking any calls. Nine and
Speaker 1: noon off limits, So I don't have an update other
Speaker 1: than she was watching her soaps. Do not call her
Speaker 1: during that period, and and I presume that Victor is
Speaker 1: up to no good.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just need to know if she's taking notes
Speaker 10: on Young and the Restless so she's ready when she
Speaker 10: comes back on Friday. She says she wants to.
Speaker 1: She's probably gonna check in on Friday with Vinnie and I,
Speaker 1: so probably get her check in during the show. But
Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't alerted her, so I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I should, you know, drop her a call right in
Speaker 1: the middle of Observer Live, but you never know. So anyway,
Speaker 1: thank you everybody who sent in the well wishes one
Speaker 1: way the other. I mean, I was like flood. It
Speaker 1: was like I had a heart attack. I got so
Speaker 1: many messages people whether it's taxs, DMS, emails, the whole
Speaker 1: nine yards, multiple threads on the board, I mean everywhere.
Speaker 10: So and it was all positive. If you had a
Speaker 10: heart attack, you'd get probably the same amount of mail,
Speaker 10: but it may not all be.
Speaker 1: It would probably be some celebratory emails. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean, she'll she'll just be,
Speaker 1: she'll be won another heart attack after she sees how
Speaker 1: much attention she got from this one right here. So
Speaker 1: we'll see when you get an update on her. I
Speaker 1: told I told my mom and sister if there's any
Speaker 1: update during the show to let us know and we
Speaker 1: would tell everybody what's going on. But seems everything's fine.
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing other than you know, probably out today tomorrow.
Speaker 10: And that's that amazing how fast they get you out
Speaker 10: of there. My stepfather had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: Oh they kicked her out of that room before the
Speaker 1: day was even up, Like you can't be in this
Speaker 1: room anymore. You got to go to the like your
Speaker 1: fine room.
Speaker 10: My stepfather had what was a mild one, but he
Speaker 10: had a blockage that they opened up, and my mother
Speaker 10: took him to the to the hospital, to the little
Speaker 10: center that they had and they airlifted him to the
Speaker 10: and then within twenty four hours, boom, out of there,
Speaker 10: everything's fixed. Boom, you're gone, and now here's your bill
Speaker 10: for seventy thousand dollars. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 10: It's amazing how fast they can turn things over. One
Speaker 10: the surgery itself and then to get you out of
Speaker 10: there without having to rest or really watch too much.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if I need surgery for my tormniscus,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be in like, I'll probably be in
Speaker 1: there longer than Granny, and it'll probably be significantly more
Speaker 1: serious than sending this little gimmick. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't picture of getting out of there that day,
Speaker 1: but maybe I will.
Speaker 10: You're meniscus, you'll be out of there pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Actually, I guess. I don't know how these things working.
Speaker 10: The hardest part is all the waiting around it, when
Speaker 10: you're doing forms in triplicate and this that and the third,
Speaker 10: and then you got to sit there and wait. That's
Speaker 10: really the hardest part of all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I just remember when I was a kid how serious
Speaker 1: all this stuff was, and now it's like take a
Speaker 1: guy's brain out, put it back in and he's good
Speaker 1: to go. It's crazy.
Speaker 10: When we were kids, they just started to do more
Speaker 10: with artificial hearts and things like that. I mean, it's
Speaker 10: not anywhere near where they're at right now. I mean
Speaker 10: the ability for blind people or deaf people that have
Speaker 10: been that way their entire lives to see in some
Speaker 10: aspect or to all of a sudden here for the
Speaker 10: first time. It's just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, I will say one thing. Actually,
Speaker 1: Lance says he had both and he's done for the tormniscus.
Speaker 1: He was out in two hours. That would certainly be
Speaker 1: nice if I could just get this MRI. I have
Speaker 1: to call him and start. Maybe I'll have to go
Speaker 1: on my Twitter.
Speaker 10: That's what always work, sewing to pick you up or
Speaker 10: who's going to be picking you up from that? Deal?
Speaker 10: Vinnie Vinnie, I can see being way too busy to
Speaker 10: come do that for you.
Speaker 1: So well, I want to say one thing before we
Speaker 1: move on, and that is that if you are listening
Speaker 1: to this and you are old and you've got one
Speaker 1: of those those life alert gimmicks, wear it, yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's the reason that Granny is alive. This all happened.
Speaker 1: Click push the button. They were there and she's alive,
Speaker 1: So don't don't have that thing and you know, put
Speaker 1: it on the dresser.
Speaker 10: Or fall and not be able to get it back up.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Okay. So, as I mentioned before
Speaker 1: the first or in the opening segment, I have seen
Speaker 1: like forty minutes of the first Vince McMahon episode.
Speaker 10: Do you already have your piece written out for it?
Speaker 1: I haven't, But there's two things I want to say
Speaker 1: from watching forty minutes, Okay. One of them is, you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen feedback from people, you know, feedback from people
Speaker 1: that have watched more, and you know, maybe I'll feel
Speaker 1: this way, but I mean very hard on the people
Speaker 1: that said positive things about Vince. And I mean they
Speaker 1: flat out say at the very beginning of the episode
Speaker 1: the vast majority of these interviews were conducted before any
Speaker 1: of this happened. And granted, it's not like Vince was
Speaker 1: known to be like a great guy before all of
Speaker 1: this happened, but it does seem like, you know, people
Speaker 1: are really getting down on people that you know, had
Speaker 1: nice things to say about Vince and what he did
Speaker 1: for their lives in interviews that occurred before any of
Speaker 1: this happened, so I didn't want to mention that, and
Speaker 1: then I don't think that's fair. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing is Vince at the very beginning of the show,
Speaker 1: and like everybody that they talked about said the same thing.
Speaker 1: They said, I don't really know who this mister Mcmahonfela is.
Speaker 1: I don't really know who Vince is. And even Vince himself,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes, I've been spending a long time
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who I am, and I'm not
Speaker 1: entirely sure yet. And then you know, they start talking
Speaker 1: about where wrestling is and how you create this reality
Speaker 1: and you create these characters and everything like that, and
Speaker 1: you know, Vince is telling a lot of stories about
Speaker 1: his life and I haven't got to the part where
Speaker 1: like he claims, we didn't use guns during the Attitude era,
Speaker 1: and then they have all this footage of guns and everything,
Speaker 1: Like everything he says they didn't do, they have actual
Speaker 1: footage of it. So there is that, but you know,
Speaker 1: with him with him, and also I guess you know
Speaker 1: to a degree, Hogan, but Hogan hasn't really started lying yet.
Speaker 1: Haven't got to the WrestleMania three stuff. Some of this
Speaker 1: is just you know, some of it I think is
Speaker 1: Vince is full of it, but some of it is
Speaker 1: also I don't think he actually remembers. I mean when
Speaker 1: you when you are a fan, I mean you watch
Speaker 1: all all of these shows, and sometimes you watch the
Speaker 1: shows again, and sometimes you go back and you study
Speaker 1: all of this and everything. And I remember this from
Speaker 1: the Monday Night Wars. It's like I would talk to
Speaker 1: people from each side and like we knew everything that
Speaker 1: was going on. So we watched all the shows, but
Speaker 1: like they had no idea what was going on elsewhere.
Speaker 1: It's like or even on their own show, it was
Speaker 1: like they showed up and they had their thing they
Speaker 1: had to do, and then they had to go out
Speaker 1: there and they had to do it, and then they
Speaker 1: had to come back, and it's like, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't know anything that was going on. And I think
Speaker 1: with Vince, when you think about how many hours of
Speaker 1: TV that he did and how many segments of TV
Speaker 1: and all those years that he was like busy doing
Speaker 1: his segments while other things were going on, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff that like he's
Speaker 1: not even lying about, he just doesn't remember. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not Vince obviously, but I've done a lot of shows,
Speaker 1: like twelve thousand shows, and I'll go to these things
Speaker 1: and people will say, hey, remember when you did this
Speaker 1: on the show. It's like, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 1: Like I remember certain things, you know, the gold Boat
Speaker 1: and Charmel and you know various I don't even remember
Speaker 1: Christmas shows all that well for other reasons. But the
Speaker 1: fact is, like there's so much stuff that people go
Speaker 1: back and they listen to and they bring it up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any part of this. So there's obviously
Speaker 1: some things going on where Vince has created this character
Speaker 1: for himself and he's telling these stories because that's what
Speaker 1: he wants you to know about him or think about
Speaker 1: him or whatever. But there's also a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that this dude flat out he don't remember. He doesn't
Speaker 1: remember doing it, he doesn't remember the circumstances, nothing, and
Speaker 1: then he gets embarrassed when they show footage of it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll be back, get mikesots to be seen after the break.
Speaker 1: Observer Live.
Speaker 11: Sure, I kind to see, but they call me.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Albarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Hey the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live like
Speaker 1: simper vv, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. So what
Speaker 1: have you seen, Mike.
Speaker 10: I have not seen anything yet.
Speaker 1: Wow. Me.
Speaker 10: I saw about four it was it four or five
Speaker 10: reviews yesterday by people talking about it, all kind of
Speaker 10: saying the same thing, which was, if you were familiar
Speaker 10: with a lot of this documentary in the story, like
Speaker 10: a lot of people that are listening to us right
Speaker 10: now or watching us, there's nothing revelatory really on it,
Speaker 10: especially if you read the Abraham Josephine Reismann book. As
Speaker 10: far as his Youth goes, there's really not much that's
Speaker 10: going to be new there. But what I got from people,
Speaker 10: not only from those reviews, but from other people that
Speaker 10: have watched it and that I've been corresponding with. For
Speaker 10: people that don't know the story or are just relatively
Speaker 10: casual wrestling fans, a lot of this is going to
Speaker 10: probably open their eyes because they don't really know the pattern.
Speaker 10: Maybe they know about Chris Benoit or Owen Hart or
Speaker 10: this or that, but it doesn't really you know, strike them,
Speaker 10: and they're you know, they're What people were telling me was,
Speaker 10: you know, for those people that really don't know the
Speaker 10: depth and the layer of these stories and his personality,
Speaker 10: it is going to be somewhat relevatory to them. But
Speaker 10: at some point I will probably watch it. From what
Speaker 10: I've heard, there's nothing that makes me want to go
Speaker 10: and get Netflix and jump into this thing right now.
Speaker 10: But something you brought up before the break talking about
Speaker 10: Vince in his past and since he was the one
Speaker 10: being involved in a lot of this stuff, there was
Speaker 10: up on the front page of the site. I guess.
Speaker 10: Bill Simmons did a podcast with Okay where he does
Speaker 10: talk about one line item out of that thing was
Speaker 10: there were people there to remind Vince about his past
Speaker 10: and to update him and to try to a team
Speaker 10: of people that would say, no, well, Vince, this is this,
Speaker 10: and you know, to give him I guess the timeline.
Speaker 10: So that's what I saw in the article. I haven't
Speaker 10: I'm I'm kind of interested in hearing the podcast because
Speaker 10: for what Simmons had to go through, for what you
Speaker 10: make your head to go for what you know, the
Speaker 10: the Tiger King producer, I forget that gentleman's name, Chris Smith.
Speaker 10: You know that's almost is interesting to me as any
Speaker 10: of the off in the doc because just everything getting
Speaker 10: turned upside down and the having Netflix then be a
Speaker 10: suitor for SmackDown, and all of those moving parts that
Speaker 10: were going on towards the end of the documentary that
Speaker 10: I'm really interested in.
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons said, it was certainly the strangest documentary process
Speaker 1: I've ever been involved with. I don't think Vince. It
Speaker 1: sounds so weird to say. I'm not sure Vince knew
Speaker 1: what it meant to do the documentary. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that he knew what story he wanted to tell. This
Speaker 1: was a shoemaker. I don't know if he knows who
Speaker 1: he is enough to tell the story. Even when he
Speaker 1: was eager, he wasn't there on time or on the
Speaker 1: days he was supposed to be there, he always had
Speaker 1: people with him. There was always people kind of lingering
Speaker 1: the background, making sure nothing weird happened, reminding him of
Speaker 1: things in the past. There was always a team. And
Speaker 1: then let's see Chris Smith, the entire production team have
Speaker 1: done so many documentaries. They've been working this world forever.
Speaker 1: This guy that did The Tiger King, none of them
Speaker 1: had ever experienced a working situation like we encountered in
Speaker 1: Connecticut to shoot, and then just all day long, beginning
Speaker 1: updates from Vince's secretary about his ETA six hours eight
Speaker 1: hours before the shoot, pushing him back an hour, pushing
Speaker 1: it back another hour. He would roll in at eleven pm,
Speaker 1: pitch black, with his little crew around him and shake
Speaker 1: everybody's hand. It was such a bizarre situation. We had
Speaker 1: four hours of Vince's interview on the cutting room floor
Speaker 1: because he sounded like a frog one day, didn't have
Speaker 1: a voice. There was so much good material, but I
Speaker 1: think the story Chris and his team were able to
Speaker 1: put together was pretty amazing. Vince also said, I don't
Speaker 1: see myself ever retiring. I never understood why people stopped growing.
Speaker 1: When you stop growing, you die. Some people are like,
Speaker 1: I want to retire one day. What are you going
Speaker 1: to do when you retire. I have no sympathy for
Speaker 1: people like that, So go die. This was before he retired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he didn't which by the way, before he resigned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go, before he retired. I think we all
Speaker 1: know what happened there.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, that's a very Vince way of putting
Speaker 10: something that a lot of people believe once you stop
Speaker 10: doing something and you're just gonna sit around, you know,
Speaker 10: you're just waiting to die. There are people with that philosophy,
Speaker 10: and Vince is certainly one with that type of philosophy.
Speaker 10: You know, a guy who was as big of a
Speaker 10: megalomaniac as he is, that is cocooned in his own
Speaker 10: little world where he was able to be the puppet
Speaker 10: master for so long. You know, Yeah, he does not
Speaker 10: want to give up control or power at anyone. He
Speaker 10: never wanted to. And you see where he's at now,
Speaker 10: and we'll see what this new crisis PR company does
Speaker 10: for him. He got rid of the last one, and
Speaker 10: I believe the only thing they brought to the table
Speaker 10: was that NBC column that talked about what Vince was
Speaker 10: doing and going to Italy and bringing back kittens and
Speaker 10: puppies from Turks and Caicos. You know, it has not
Speaker 10: been They have not looked good, and some of it
Speaker 10: is the lawyers sniping back and forth. But you know,
Speaker 10: we'll see what twist he decides to put on all
Speaker 10: of this stuff from a public relations point of view,
Speaker 10: because obviously, with this new firm he has, they're going
Speaker 10: to be squawking and putting themselves in the mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a new public relations firm. Strict In
Speaker 1: Company was hired five months ago to help rebuild his
Speaker 1: image in the wake of the lawsuit filed by Janelle
Speaker 1: grim Sounds like it didn't work. So now he has
Speaker 1: hired Edendale Strategies as his new public relations company. So
Speaker 1: maybe it'll work better this time.
Speaker 10: As a crisis pr firm. I mean they I would
Speaker 10: again you can. Maybe you only have so much to
Speaker 10: work with that you're given from, you know, the person
Speaker 10: that you're representing. But they didn't seem like they did
Speaker 10: a great job. Again, that is separate from what you
Speaker 10: think about Vince or the story or any of that
Speaker 10: sort of stuff. It's just the job they were presented
Speaker 10: to do. They weren't able to do it effectively. I
Speaker 10: don't believe. But then again again, when it comes to Vince,
Speaker 10: who wants to control narratives and things like that, he's
Speaker 10: probably not one to, you know, deal with people easily
Speaker 10: to get a story out there.
Speaker 1: So which public relations company told him to put out
Speaker 1: that message the other day? That essentially made everybody want
Speaker 1: to watch this documentary even more because he indicated that
Speaker 1: he hated it.
Speaker 10: Yes, and from I guess the timeline, it seems like
Speaker 10: the new one, did you know, because apparently because there's
Speaker 10: the other story that we didn't talk about yesterday because
Speaker 10: we weren't here was the fact that he tried to
Speaker 10: buy back the dock. Not only did he get rid
Speaker 10: of Citric Company, but he tried to buy back the
Speaker 10: dock and then used Ari Emmanuel, leaned on Ari Emmanuel
Speaker 10: to try to go and get that done, which certainly
Speaker 10: you know again certain well that's.
Speaker 1: No surprise, is Yeah, of course he was going to
Speaker 1: do that. But I wonder how much he would have
Speaker 1: to pay, because man, they they this was not a
Speaker 1: cheap documentary. No, there's a lot of original music, and
Speaker 1: I mean they put years into this thing.
Speaker 10: So yeah, and it would have been dead, buried and
Speaker 10: gone in all likelihood until he passed away. And even then,
Speaker 10: you know, who knows what would have come from this.
Speaker 10: And you know, there's a lot in there. There's a
Speaker 10: lot of interviews with a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 10: if nothing else, there's a lot of stories that maybe
Speaker 10: people hadn't heard that are going to be out there
Speaker 10: and being able to be jabbed at from different points
Speaker 10: of view. Obviously Dave Meltzer was on there, and you
Speaker 10: had Shoemaker and you have other people that are there
Speaker 10: to try to combat things. So all of that footage too,
Speaker 10: that apparently is used in this thing. It's a I
Speaker 10: guess we're a wrestling fan that does know everything. That
Speaker 10: could be very interesting too, because apparently a lot of
Speaker 10: that footage isn't the stuff you always see that's clipped
Speaker 10: up and putting a lot of the retrospectives you see
Speaker 10: all the time from WWE.
Speaker 1: All right, we got grands LAMB and this appears to
Speaker 1: be what the heck's going on? Okay, So tonight we
Speaker 1: got John Moxley Darby Ellen for the a W World
Speaker 1: title shot, Young Bucks against will Ospray and Fletcher for
Speaker 1: the tag team titles, Mariah May versus Yukasakazaki, Hook versus
Speaker 1: Roderick Strong, Prince Nana with an update on Swerve, and
Speaker 1: perhaps Brian Danielson versus Nigel McGinnis in a non title match.
Speaker 10: He got an asterix and everything.
Speaker 1: I don't get it, brother, I don't get it. I
Speaker 1: don't get it. And then for a Grand Slam, we
Speaker 1: have got Jericho, Big Bill and Brian Keith versus Orange, Cassie,
Speaker 1: Kylo Riley and Mark Briscoe. The Jack Perry TNT Championship
Speaker 1: Open Challenge, Siria Jamie Hayter, Sreya Rules Match, Hangman Page
Speaker 1: versus Jeff Jarrett, Ocata versus Sammy Gevar for the aw
Speaker 1: Continental Title Eliminator, Hologram versus Beast, Mortos and Drillistico and
Speaker 1: MXM Collection reveals what they did to Max Caster's jacket.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to know the answer
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 10: And that's a lot of matches for a collision, it is,
Speaker 10: that's a three way though for h Oh it is yes, okay,
Speaker 10: maybe Hologram, Beast, Mortos and Drillistico, Hali Graham and Mortos
Speaker 10: is just fine on its own. You know, i' wasn't
Speaker 10: sure if it was two against one Air.
Speaker 1: And somewhere at some time on someday will be Claudio
Speaker 1: pot Pack and Wheeler versus TVD And we don't know who,
Speaker 1: what when we're wy or why or where or who
Speaker 1: or when or why what? I don't know, but that's
Speaker 1: the lineup. So we know two cards and one we
Speaker 1: don't know yet. It is a mystery.
Speaker 10: You excited.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's gonna be a fun show. See if we
Speaker 1: got an update on ticket sales yet. I think there
Speaker 1: were six thousand the other day, So they've officially got
Speaker 1: halfway to last year.
Speaker 10: Well that is what up about fifteen hundred, two thousand
Speaker 10: tickets in the last couple of weeks, months or so,
Speaker 10: I believe it just seemed to be lingering around forty
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were up at about five thousand, were they?
Speaker 10: Okay? I just I'm okay.
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Speaker 10: Such impression.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I gotta talk a lot the NXT apparently,
Speaker 1: why because it's it's Wednesday.
Speaker 10: The DiAngelo training montage.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I want to say about this show.
Speaker 1: We don't have to spend a lot of time. We
Speaker 1: can talk more about Vince after a while. Send your
Speaker 1: text messages to me. I'll read him here a bit
Speaker 1: four two five seven eight zero seven five sixty six.
Speaker 1: I'll just say a couple of things about the show.
Speaker 1: We won't do the whole recap, but the first thing
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, I've gotten really mad about
Speaker 1: this show. It's just it's a waste of my time.
Speaker 1: It's a waste of my time. So if anybody from
Speaker 1: NXT is listening right now, I would just like to
Speaker 1: give you some friendly advice. Take it or leave it
Speaker 1: on as friendly easy advice anyone can do, and that is,
Speaker 1: just say your own name in all of your segments.
Speaker 1: Find a way to get your own name in these segments,
Speaker 1: or if you're working with somebody else, tell them to
Speaker 1: make sure to say your name, because it is now
Speaker 1: your responsibility. You cannot rely you cannot rely on this
Speaker 1: company to identify you. Poor Lola Ice, she's the one
Speaker 1: I've really been keeping track of. It's like a decree
Speaker 1: do not identify Lola Ice by name or by graphic
Speaker 1: under penalty of firing. I think they will not identify her.
Speaker 1: I just been keeping an eye all week, or the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Actually, it's like, are you gonna
Speaker 1: put lola Ice name it? Nope? They're not gonna is
Speaker 1: anybody gonna say her name? Nope, they're not. She's she's
Speaker 1: just a mystery woman. And so Lola, I'm not even begging.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's your career. Say your own name.
Speaker 1: Find a way to get your own name out there
Speaker 1: so that you can identify yourself and people might know
Speaker 1: who you are. Now, the show was a little better,
Speaker 1: but it's still weird because it's like they identify certain
Speaker 1: people but not others, like they have no problem. Hank
Speaker 1: and Tank did a backstage problem when they put Hank
Speaker 1: and Tank right up there on the screen, no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And then later, you know, or earlier, they had a
Speaker 1: Javon Evans skit and they didn't identify him at all.
Speaker 1: He's just a guy in the backstage area. But then
Speaker 1: like an hour later, they do another skit and they
Speaker 1: identify him. Then it's like, why didn't you do that earlier?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. And then this is
Speaker 1: one it really got my goat. So they did a
Speaker 1: press conference. I'll just pivot to the actually I'll get
Speaker 1: to this point. Oh god, just the old, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So they advertised an NXT on CW press conference. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought Tony Kahn did some long press conferences. This
Speaker 1: press conference apparently went for two hours during a live NXT,
Speaker 1: So like there's all this press in the back, okay,
Speaker 1: and like at the beginning of the show, it's like
Speaker 1: the press conference starts. Ava's doing the press conference, but
Speaker 1: we're not. We don't get to see it because we're
Speaker 1: watching all of the matches. Okay. So then like you know,
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes in, it's like, let's go to that
Speaker 1: press conference and here from NXT Champion Ethan Page. So
Speaker 1: they go to Ethan page and it's time for the
Speaker 1: fans ask the questions and are reporters I'm sorry? So
Speaker 1: the first report was like do you feel any pressure
Speaker 1: is Champion for this NXT debut? Ethan's like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. And then there's like one other nothing question
Speaker 1: that he calls an end of the press his portion
Speaker 1: of the press conference. It's like this was a complete
Speaker 1: and total waste of time. So then they go back
Speaker 1: to the show again and then they're like having a
Speaker 1: match and might I think it might have been the
Speaker 1: Lexus King orro mensa match. So they're doing the match
Speaker 1: and then they show a picture and picture of like
Speaker 1: Ava talking at the press conference, but you can't hear her.
Speaker 1: They're just like Ava is answering questions for the press
Speaker 1: at the press conference. I don't know what they asked.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she answered. I have no clue.
Speaker 1: We never find out. So then they do some more matches,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we have another person at the
Speaker 1: press conference or whatever. You know, no hard kitting questions,
Speaker 1: no Janelle Grant, nothing, just a bunch of stupid questions.
Speaker 1: It's just a complete he was not there, is not
Speaker 1: allowed in. And so finally at the end of the
Speaker 1: show they go and the press conference here has officially ended.
Speaker 1: We will now move the press conference to the ring
Speaker 1: for the conclusion.
Speaker 10: The arena portion of the proceedings.
Speaker 1: I said, that's the main event, okay. So we go
Speaker 1: to the ring and in the ring is Julia and
Speaker 1: Roxanne Perez. Okay, and next next to Julia is Funaki.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely dying. They they ask Julia a question, okay,
Speaker 1: and Julia begins to answer in Japanese, and she begins
Speaker 1: to talk, and she talks and she talks, and she
Speaker 1: begins getting what chance. I'm like this is death, but
Speaker 1: it's like a joke. She keeps speaking Jepany. She keeps going,
Speaker 1: and she keeps going, and she keeps going, and she
Speaker 1: keeps going and she's still going. At this point, it
Speaker 1: was hilarious. I was like, how long is she gonna
Speaker 1: speak in Japanese? Like how long? And I timed it
Speaker 1: was two straight minutes. No, he was He was furiously scribbling,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wonder why he's furiously scribbling.
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird because like he understands what she's saying.
Speaker 1: Like we see translators all the time, they don't write
Speaker 1: it down. You know, you have se some you know Brazilians,
Speaker 1: they're speaking Portuguese and the guy just listens and then
Speaker 1: you know he he translates it. But Funaki's furiously type
Speaker 1: and writing it down. So I'm wondering, why is this
Speaker 1: guy doing this? Well I figured it out because Funaki
Speaker 1: then begins to be evins to translate Julia. But they're
Speaker 1: concerned you might not understand Funaki either, so they put
Speaker 1: up like close captioning.
Speaker 10: That's why I thought he maybe he was doing it
Speaker 10: on the fly because she wouldn't know about.
Speaker 13: That he was like, because they had him write reading
Speaker 13: a script they exactly because they put up the closed
Speaker 13: captioning and they wanted to match it with what he said,
Speaker 13: so he had to pretend he was writing so they
Speaker 13: could read exactly what was gonna be on the screen.
Speaker 1: But I was infuriated because I was like, so you
Speaker 1: can't afford graphics. Oh god, they had like three pages
Speaker 1: of graphics that and then this guy goes, actually it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then they end up basketing in another question and
Speaker 1: now she just speaks English answers in English. I was like,
Speaker 1: so what did you speak for two minutes in Japanese for?
Speaker 1: So I'm just watching this thing and like, I can't
Speaker 1: say it was bad, but this was the most boring. Yes,
Speaker 1: nothing happening. This was the final NXT on the USA network.
Speaker 1: They go to CWN next week. Out with a whimper.
Speaker 1: Is the best that I can say. This show went
Speaker 1: out with a whimper.
Speaker 10: Stephanie Backer didn't save it either. At the end. It
Speaker 10: was just the idea was probably it was good. It
Speaker 10: was a press conference like you know you always do.
Speaker 10: It just didn't come across very well at all, which
Speaker 10: again was a little bit of a surprise. The press
Speaker 10: conference during the show just felt like they are doing
Speaker 10: this so they have it all set up for the
Speaker 10: opening of the CW next week when they flash in.
Speaker 10: Because there was no reason that you had to have
Speaker 10: the ongoing press conference part of that show at all
Speaker 10: at all, because he had Ego and trick, you know,
Speaker 10: with Cmpunk. Both of those segments were very good, so
Speaker 10: you didn't even need those two guys talking to the press.
Speaker 10: Why didn't see him Punk talk to the press. You
Speaker 10: would figure they would want to talk.
Speaker 1: Oh, he did, but it was during the show. Oh
Speaker 1: we didn't. We did actually see or hear any of it. Yes,
Speaker 1: this was a two hour press conference. Mike, this guy
Speaker 1: here goes the end? Felt rushed? It did? She spoke
Speaker 1: for two straight minutes in Japanese while the fans chanted what.
Speaker 10: It felt like it wouldn't end.
Speaker 1: Whoever came up with that idea, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10: It was bad.
Speaker 1: You need to be drafted to impact for a little while.
Speaker 10: Not the end of the world, but it was certainly
Speaker 10: in this now one thing that again we didn't talk
Speaker 10: about yesterday because we weren't here. The CW sports numbers
Speaker 10: came out from over the weekend, there was a NASCAR
Speaker 10: race that did like nine hundred thousand at Bristol, but
Speaker 10: their football ratings were relatively low. Decided just to look
Speaker 10: the last couple of days of that were available of
Speaker 10: CW during the week and look, there're gonna be football
Speaker 10: games that beat it. I don't think CW has anything else,
Speaker 10: And we'll find if there's a big drop in anybody
Speaker 10: switching from USA.
Speaker 1: These fans, these fans are gonna find it, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna do alright, that's what's to.
Speaker 10: Be seed w's number one rated show by like leaps
Speaker 10: and backs.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be NXCW before too long.
Speaker 10: By, which is amazing because they don't seem to be
Speaker 10: doing a whole lot of advertising or big push. It's
Speaker 10: just like, Okay, we can't wait till it gets.
Speaker 1: Here because our show, the stories are all going to
Speaker 1: be coming out over the next couple of days.
Speaker 10: Well, and I'm not sure what I did last night, but.
Speaker 1: It's Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 10: Six hundred and fifty seven hundred.
Speaker 1: Eighty something to write about lately.
Speaker 10: Of the rest of now, it'd be interesting to see
Speaker 10: what they actually do for that first episode and where
Speaker 10: they settle.
Speaker 1: In at all right, let's do some Vince text here.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, and this person says, after the Vince documentary,
Speaker 1: you think Shane is more likely to debut in AW
Speaker 1: and run his own wrestling promotion. No, what does that
Speaker 1: have to do with anything? I mean, he might do
Speaker 1: something there, but this Shane thing is like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you guys are setting yourself up for like just what
Speaker 1: are you expecting a boom period? Because Dane McMahon is
Speaker 1: a character in AW, Like it's it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This person here says a lot of
Speaker 1: raw underground. When's the last time Vince did a Monday
Speaker 1: night or rewatch?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon probably never never?
Speaker 10: Why? Like again, it's people will come up to wrestlers
Speaker 10: and go remember that time in that match and that
Speaker 10: dayton No, they don't because they were on the road
Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty days and it was a day
Speaker 10: of work for them. They don't remember things in the
Speaker 10: way that you do. And how can you when you're
Speaker 10: constantly producing. If you're Vince, who again seemed like he
Speaker 10: filled twenty out of twenty four hours in a day
Speaker 10: with four hours for sleeping, how do you go back
Speaker 10: and try to remember all of that stuff. It's impossible.
Speaker 1: Oh here's one of these. Even with Vince out of
Speaker 1: the building, I hope this documentary reminds everyone that as
Speaker 1: long as Bruce is in the building, Vince is too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Vince gives Bruce ideas, but I mean,
Speaker 1: all due respect, I do not believe this person writing
Speaker 1: this text actually watches Ron SmackDown. Because you cannot watch
Speaker 1: this show. You cannot actually be a regular viewer and
Speaker 1: think that this feels like a Vince McMahon show. It
Speaker 1: is not. It is the polar opposite from you know,
Speaker 1: it was. I can't remember what it was. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what he said or what somebody said about him,
Speaker 1: but I was like, brother, you were the bottom of
Speaker 1: the barrel from I mean it was probably before twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: but twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, I mean, this
Speaker 1: was This was at WCW levels of atrocious, nonsensical, horrible,
Speaker 1: awful booking, and it was all Vince. And there's no
Speaker 1: way that you sit through those three years and then
Speaker 1: sit through the last two years and honestly say this
Speaker 1: feels like the same thing. This is a Vince product.
Speaker 10: If Bronson red and Braun Stroman were both fired by
Speaker 10: Vince a right.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that we have Braun Bronson and
Speaker 1: Braun Vinch never would have allowed that. Everybody would have
Speaker 1: changed it. Braun would just be Stroman. He'd allow Braun
Speaker 1: breaker because he's like, you know, the biggest star, and
Speaker 1: then Bronson Reid would just be like read that's that's
Speaker 1: far from the biggest change. By the way, although if.
Speaker 10: You only watch the booking of Giovanni Vinci, I can
Speaker 10: see how you can think that.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment with more Observer.
Speaker 2: Live, you were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
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Speaker 1: You know, somebody on the deal here had a good question,
Speaker 1: t witch. I mean, we need probably a long time
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but they said, who knows where
Speaker 1: WWE would be right now if Vince was still with
Speaker 1: the company. It is impossible to say. But if you
Speaker 1: look at the trajectory of WWE if he had not departed,
Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing, Grand Slam would be
Speaker 1: doing a lot better, and there's a decent chance that
Speaker 1: this would be way more neck and neck than it
Speaker 1: is right now, and there's even a there's somewhat of
Speaker 1: a chance that AW would have overtaken them in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I believe that one thousand percent. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it was happening when everything went down. I
Speaker 1: mean it was happening. They were neck and neck. Dynamite
Speaker 1: was beating them in eighteen to thirty four on some weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was getting very, very close, and then
Speaker 1: he was gone and wwe improved and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it just KORENE the other way. So we'll never know.
Speaker 1: We'll never know. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen, twenty twenty, what was he seventy five,
Speaker 1: seventy six, seventy seven. What you think he was gonna
Speaker 1: get better? He was only gonna get worse. He was
Speaker 1: only going to get worse. He wasn't gonna figure this
Speaker 1: out again. The shows were gonna be as bad or worse. Hey,
Speaker 1: and it was on and they were hemorrhaging viewers at
Speaker 1: that point.
Speaker 10: If you're talking about hypotheticals, though, we could be in
Speaker 10: the case where AW kept shooting itself in its foot
Speaker 10: and Vince brought down WWE, and then we would have
Speaker 10: had two situations where neither company was thriving.
Speaker 1: Would have been that as well, but WWE would not
Speaker 1: be where they are now. I can tell you that
Speaker 1: for sure. I can tell you that for sure. Anyway,
Speaker 1: at a time back later on tonight actually first Lance
Speaker 1: Storm two thirty Pacific, five thirty Eastern, he will take
Speaker 1: questions about the Vince McMahon bio as well if you're
Speaker 1: watching live, and then later on tonight with Dave and
Speaker 1: that's it. We'll talk to you next time Wrestling Observer Live.
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