Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Oh Man, did it gets sanctimonious yesterday talking
Speaker 1: about the Eagles, the Giants, the integrity of the game,
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Welcome to the program. Still dealing
Speaker 1: with the aftershocks of what happened on Sunday night, Sal
Speaker 1: Palantonio's appearance yesterday, and Sal was saying that he was
Speaker 1: embarrassed for what he saw with the Eagles, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the fans in Philadelphia were outraged. And you know,
Speaker 1: he may speak for a section of the Philadelphia fan base,
Speaker 1: but look, if I'm a Philadelphia fan, my thought would be,
Speaker 1: we kept the Giants from winning the division. Also, we
Speaker 1: improved our draft pick. I'm okay, you want to give
Speaker 1: us heat for twenty four hours, We'll sit in that
Speaker 1: cona's silence. We'll take it, and then we'll move on.
Speaker 1: And that would be my approach if I'm an Eagles fan.
Speaker 1: It's every year we have these moments where a team
Speaker 1: sits some players, somebody has to win. I got to
Speaker 1: rely on you to win. You know what, how what
Speaker 1: I would do is I would make sure that I
Speaker 1: didn't have my fate in the hands of another team.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. And the Giants, you know,
Speaker 1: they had to wait. They had to wait and see
Speaker 1: if the Eagles were going to step up and play
Speaker 1: play the best players. And you know what, it's on them.
Speaker 1: They won six games this year. You're not a good
Speaker 1: football team. But that didn't stop their head coach Joe
Speaker 1: Judge from saying the following yesterday. To look at a
Speaker 1: group of grown men who I asked to give me
Speaker 1: effort on day and day out basis and empty the tank,
Speaker 1: and then I can look them in the eye ensure
Speaker 1: them that I'm always going to do everything I can
Speaker 1: to put them in a competitive advantage. To disrespect the
Speaker 1: effort that everyone put forward to make this season a
Speaker 1: success for the National Football League. To disrespect the game
Speaker 1: by going out there and not competing for sixty minutes
Speaker 1: and doing you can't help those players win. We will
Speaker 1: never do that as long as I'm the head coach
Speaker 1: of New York Giants. All right. You know if he
Speaker 1: says that privately, I understand it. All the other teams
Speaker 1: did the same thing that you went through, Joe Judge.
Speaker 1: They had to go through all the protocols. You know,
Speaker 1: you had players who probably missed anniversaries, their birthdays and Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Joe Judge should take inventory of
Speaker 1: what the Giants had done before the Giants benched Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: They benched Kurt Warner when Kurt Warner had a winning
Speaker 1: record to bring in Eli Manning. Now, who gave you
Speaker 1: a better chance to win that next game? Kurt Warner did,
Speaker 1: or Eli over Daniel Jones. But you can look at
Speaker 1: the take care of your own business. That's really what
Speaker 1: this is all about. How about you win eight or
Speaker 1: nine games. We don't have this conversation. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the NFC. East's the reason why I picked the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl. I thought, well, they
Speaker 1: got at least a couple of easy wins here and
Speaker 1: somebody has to win the division. But Washington won it.
Speaker 1: They don't have to apologize for winning it. But you
Speaker 1: know this sanctimonious Oh my god, the shield, the integrity, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean this is who Joe Judge is.
Speaker 1: Like Kee's right out of a movie script. If you say, hey,
Speaker 1: we need a coach who says corny things but he
Speaker 1: really believes it, he's your guy, and his last name
Speaker 1: is Judge. He's judge and jury like, Okay, I'm fine
Speaker 1: with it. That's who you are, that's what you believe in.
Speaker 1: But you just you can't be worried about somebody else.
Speaker 1: How about you have a quarterback who can run eighty
Speaker 1: yards and not fall down. Oh, the Eagles needed to
Speaker 1: help us, Okay, I get it. And Doug Peterson it
Speaker 1: was a muscline situation. Did he really want to see
Speaker 1: what he had? Did he really want to see he
Speaker 1: doesn't even know what he has what Jalen Hurts yet,
Speaker 1: because they shouldn't know what they have with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: He's a fifty percent passer. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback. I know he gave them a lift.
Speaker 1: I know that it was fun to watch him, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if you go up one. We've seen
Speaker 1: enough of Jalen Hurt. I would have played Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: the whole game. I don't need to see Nate Sudfeld,
Speaker 1: you got a quarterback situation already. You don't need to
Speaker 1: add to the quarterbacking situation. If you have three quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you don't have one quarterback. So Joe Judge, you can
Speaker 1: say all of those things, say it private, because what
Speaker 1: happens if the Giants go twelve and four and they
Speaker 1: have a meaningless game at the end of the year. Now,
Speaker 1: what's Joe gonna do? Are you gonna are you gonna
Speaker 1: rest sae Quon Barkley, gonna rest Daniel Jones? I mean,
Speaker 1: these things are always shortsighted because we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: time and time again, and we're adding another game to
Speaker 1: the schedule, another potential meaningless game. It's gonna happen more,
Speaker 1: not less. Do I have a problem with what the
Speaker 1: Eagles were doing? Yes, if you want to play, play
Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld starred him. It's just you're down three, you
Speaker 1: don't go for the game time field goal, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Jalen Hurts, who is surprised on the
Speaker 1: bench he's not injured. I think everybody goes, wait, did
Speaker 1: Jean hurt get hurt? Wait what happened? And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's when Doug Peterson did he did
Speaker 1: he go? You know, I gotta wait and put Nate
Speaker 1: in when you know it's really dramatic moment there. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to test him here, you want to start him,
Speaker 1: start him. I'm good with that, but it's a must
Speaker 1: lie situation. You kept the Giants from winning the division.
Speaker 1: Not that Doug Peterson cares about that, but if I'm
Speaker 1: an Eagles fan only speaking, if I was a Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles fan, I would approach this and go, all right,
Speaker 1: ugly year, let's get out of here. Giants didn't win
Speaker 1: the division. We bump up three spots you know, in
Speaker 1: the in the draft order. All right, let's go in
Speaker 1: the offseason kind of figure out what the hell we're
Speaker 1: doing here. But you know, you'll wait until the end
Speaker 1: of the game or late in the game, and you
Speaker 1: put in your third string quarterback, because now is when
Speaker 1: he's earned that right to go in there. Did he
Speaker 1: either earn the right to start the game, Because you
Speaker 1: want to see what you have. How about you see
Speaker 1: how he prepares if you're gonna have him start the game,
Speaker 1: then you see how he let him prepare for the
Speaker 1: game as he would if he were a starter. Not hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring you in from the bullpen. I mean,
Speaker 1: this isn't Rivera and the Yankees. Where you go yep, Enters, Sandman, Enters, Sudfeld. No,
Speaker 1: what do you want mcloven Well, would you have ripped
Speaker 1: the Eagles if before the game Peterson had said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play Nate Sudfeld in the fourth quarter, you know, if,
Speaker 1: which obviously he did. And Doug Peterson cannot come off
Speaker 1: a plan. I've watched him coach a million games. Once
Speaker 1: he has a plan, it's happening. So he said, coming
Speaker 1: in the game, I'm gonna play Sudfeld in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I gotta figure out what's going on here because next
Speaker 1: year I may have to sign a high price backup
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts. So you wouldn't. Nobody would have ripped
Speaker 1: him and said, I it's an exhibition game. Who cares?
Speaker 1: They already benched everybody, you know, nobody was playing that
Speaker 1: game except for Hurts. But but mclovin, he didn't have
Speaker 1: a plan. Yeah, he said he had a play. He
Speaker 1: didn't admit it, but his plan was clearly I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play Nate Suthelt in the fourth quarter. No admits your plan.
Speaker 1: If it's a meaningless game, then who cares what your
Speaker 1: plan is? If you announce it. He probably should have.
Speaker 1: Why is it? The players did not know? Why is it?
Speaker 1: Some of the players on the defense. Why would they
Speaker 1: know they're different. No, that's set. They're upset. They should
Speaker 1: be upset. They stole money for sixteen games. Okay, terrible,
Speaker 1: that's a completely different conversation. I don't think somebody, I
Speaker 1: don't think these Eagles players have a right to be
Speaker 1: upset with anyone except themselves. And say, with Joe Judge, you,
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're blaming other people. They should
Speaker 1: be blaming themselves and that's all they should say. After
Speaker 1: the season. It's my fault. That was my point. That
Speaker 1: was my point with the Giants. Just shut up, go
Speaker 1: into the offseason, get right, figure out if you got
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback sae Quon Barclay's health next year, Like
Speaker 1: what are you going to do in the draft that like,
Speaker 1: move on? Don't be saying lamenting the fact that Washington
Speaker 1: and somehow the integrity of the NFL was at stake
Speaker 1: there the shield the National Football League. I get it,
Speaker 1: you won six games, blame yourself. You put your fate
Speaker 1: in the hands of some other team. And yes, Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: you had to endure all of those things. We have
Speaker 1: to endure these things too as as citizens, like we
Speaker 1: all compromise. We all sacrifice people on the front lines.
Speaker 1: Not in your football team. We appreciate you playing, but
Speaker 1: every other team had to go through this as Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those where it just
Speaker 1: spiraled out of control, like once somebody the lit the fuse,
Speaker 1: and then everybody got a chance to get their opinion heard,
Speaker 1: like this was a sports anger moment, and maybe it
Speaker 1: got to me as well. I've been yelling at the
Speaker 1: dog for you know, two weeks. Now, I gotta yell
Speaker 1: at somebody else. Yeah, go outside, can't come on? Why
Speaker 1: aren't you potty trained? Yeah? See, but have you ever
Speaker 1: met an NFL coach who could resist a good chance
Speaker 1: to posture a little bit? And I haven't taken a
Speaker 1: playoff since I was five years old? Okay, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to start now, all right. I mean, and
Speaker 1: any coach in Joe Judge's position is jumping right at
Speaker 1: that chance to be like, you know, we're it's soft,
Speaker 1: we're taking days off. And as I said, this is
Speaker 1: who Joe Judge is. I don't think he's playing a role.
Speaker 1: I think that's who he is. It's just I get it.
Speaker 1: But the sanctimonious nonsense about this did. Did Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: make him mistake in his approach? Yes, so I believe
Speaker 1: he did. And I think the timing part of this.
Speaker 1: If you want to play Nate Sudfeld, then play him.
Speaker 1: If you want to take inventory and find out what
Speaker 1: you have, then play him. I'm fine with that, but
Speaker 1: don't tell me, Hey, we had all of our starters
Speaker 1: out there. You did, but then you brought in Nate
Speaker 1: suck Were you trying to win the game? Did he
Speaker 1: give you the best chance to win the game? And
Speaker 1: the answer is no, that's all. And I think deep
Speaker 1: down he knows that Jalen Hurts gave you a better chance,
Speaker 1: even as bad as Jalen Hurts was playing, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing well. But I don't think that Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: was being honest here. I don't think he was being
Speaker 1: and I don't think he could have been. But it's
Speaker 1: just this outpouring and look, I didn't know South Palestonia
Speaker 1: was being serious yesterday because at one point I started
Speaker 1: laughing and I just wasn't sure. Here's what Sal had
Speaker 1: to say yesterday. If I'm the if I'm the NFL,
Speaker 1: if I'm Roger Goodell, I'm putting on my Keena saw
Speaker 1: mountain Land as pants on right now, and I'm doing
Speaker 1: a forensic investigation of what went down. You're being serious, totally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know because the NFL doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: they want to prevent this. But what do you say, Hey,
Speaker 1: we demand that you play your best players. You can't.
Speaker 1: And the NFL, out of greed, is adding another week
Speaker 1: of games and they're going to have even more situations
Speaker 1: like this. What's the NFL going to do? Hey, stop
Speaker 1: doing that while we add the potential for more meaningless games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are already calling for the NFL to have a
Speaker 1: draft lottery. Andrew said it the other day. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are are printing it out. And when you
Speaker 1: add another game those the entire month of December is
Speaker 1: going to be people jockeing for the first pick. About
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you say you got to give
Speaker 1: him some reps in the fourth quarter. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: give him some reps and you want to see what
Speaker 1: you have with him, then you got to have some
Speaker 1: kind of play calling to show that you can prove
Speaker 1: to you what he can do in that situation. The
Speaker 1: last couple of players were a joke. They didn't make
Speaker 1: any effort to get the ball downfield. So what's the
Speaker 1: How are you learning about your quarterback by having someone
Speaker 1: run a seven yard out pattern? Wait? Are you outraged?
Speaker 1: Because I'm outraged. I'm trying to at least match your
Speaker 1: sounds like you're trying to be outrage because I'm out
Speaker 1: When I watched that, I had no problem with what
Speaker 1: Southpal said, and I didn't think any of it was
Speaker 1: a joke because I thought that was ridiculous. You know,
Speaker 1: integrity to the game, I know all that's kinmatic, But
Speaker 1: in the moment fourth quarter, how do you investigate this?
Speaker 1: How do I hold you accountable? That's a tough thing
Speaker 1: for the I know, but it's sanctimony. It just feels
Speaker 1: so much like, let me stand up here and lecture
Speaker 1: you on integrity. Joe Judge has to say that. I
Speaker 1: think that if nothing else, for his fans and the
Speaker 1: players to show that they're back. No, I think he
Speaker 1: needs to probably say that he was pissed off about No. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Take care of your own business. Joe, don't tell Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson how to coach his team. He's won a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: You've been on a Super Bowl staff, But you can't
Speaker 1: be saying this about another team. He should just say,
Speaker 1: we got some things that we need to take care
Speaker 1: of and be better next year, and then we don't
Speaker 1: worry about if Philadelphia beats Washington. We won six games.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of work to do. I want
Speaker 1: to thank everybody for all the sacrifices they made, and
Speaker 1: we'll be better next year. Yeah. It does seem very
Speaker 1: Bill BELICHICKI And though I'd like to to not tank
Speaker 1: a game for a better pick. Yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: if there there's ever a coaching tree that he could
Speaker 1: have come from where it was like, No, we're gonna
Speaker 1: play hard every day. Next man up let's keep going. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: pull well, I mean every team does that, Like Fritz
Speaker 1: who's saying, it's just the timing of it. Every team
Speaker 1: benches a better quarterback for a young quarterback who's promising.
Speaker 1: You know, Ta got the start, and he was not
Speaker 1: better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Remember years ago case Keenum and
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. Case Keena was playing, well, they bench him
Speaker 1: for Jared Goff because that's the future. It was the
Speaker 1: timing of it, like you said yesterday, Dan, it's national
Speaker 1: TV and a competitive game, and to pull it then.
Speaker 1: And as what mclub was saying, if it was a
Speaker 1: full announcement that they were going to do this, he
Speaker 1: didn't announce. He he's got to do it in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter because that's the coach. Don't make those announces.
Speaker 1: So it just took everybody by by surprise in a moment.
Speaker 1: I was surprised at South Pallantonio speaking for the Philadelphia fan. Now,
Speaker 1: he lives there, he's been there for decades. I just
Speaker 1: as a Philadelphia fam like, why do I care? I see?
Speaker 1: I think the thing that stuck out yesterday is what
Speaker 1: Seaton said is that you haven't seen enough Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: to remove him from a competitive game. You, I would
Speaker 1: think you'd want to give Jalen Hurts every snap you
Speaker 1: can this season because I think, what did the Eagles
Speaker 1: have the six pick in the draft. Yeah, they're still
Speaker 1: in play for a high end quarterback if Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: is not their guy. Oh, they can't bring in another quarterback? True?
Speaker 1: Possibly probably they can't. They can't. They got Hurts they
Speaker 1: can't handle. How are you going to get Nate Sudfeld
Speaker 1: playing time, PAULI that's always better priority of mine. I
Speaker 1: loved it, and I you that's I should be a
Speaker 1: Sudfeld guy. Remember I loved it? Oh yeah, you were
Speaker 1: the Sudfeld guy, mister Sudfeld. Yes, yes, mclan You know
Speaker 1: why you didn't need it. You were not learning anything
Speaker 1: from Jalen Hurts because that was a full on exhibition game.
Speaker 1: The Eagles weren't playing tons of starters, and there was
Speaker 1: nothing to learn in that game against this scruggy watching.
Speaker 1: How could I learn about Nate Sudfeld? Then I do.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, yes, time, But to say he's
Speaker 1: been here four years, he's earned the right to get
Speaker 1: some reps, and that's I just can't get past that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't play him at all, but
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous that that's your excuse for putting him in
Speaker 1: that situation and those play calls where he has no
Speaker 1: chance of showing you anything. Yes, it's almost like winning
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl was the worst thing to happen to
Speaker 1: the Eagles because ever since and they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to figure out what the hell to do with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: As it falls, it wins, I don't know. As it
Speaker 1: Wentz again, No, now he's pouting. I think a right,
Speaker 1: let's bring in herds. But it Wentz is still pouting.
Speaker 1: But we're stuck with its monsters contract. And there's the
Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld situation. Yes, of course, yes, Doug Peterson coach,
Speaker 1: that's the one goal that Frank Reich, who won that
Speaker 1: Super Well, I'm so confused, he says, Well, I think
Speaker 1: I think Doug Peterson just shined the spotlight on his
Speaker 1: job status a little bit brighter after all of this. Yes, boy,
Speaker 1: I just love the NFL. You think, like week seventeen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Tom Brady leading his team to
Speaker 1: the playoffs or rathleveland Browns are in at Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is completely back winning the VP. No. No, it's all
Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld all the time. Yep. And that's the way
Speaker 1: it should be. By the way, welcome to the program.
Speaker 1: As you could tell, I got a little ahead of myself. Um,
Speaker 1: you can dial us up if you like. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did e two minutes. Yeah. But was that a better
Speaker 1: segment than South Palenttonio yesterday? Which is no, the salth
Speaker 1: pal fallout was widespread nationally yesterday. Yeah. It was a
Speaker 1: story of the year in sports so far. Yeah. Five days, Yeah,
Speaker 1: story of the year, segment of the year, and one
Speaker 1: day is like leader in the clubhouse, he's got a cigar.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants to be the leader
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. He got social media wasn't too kind
Speaker 1: to him yesterday. Well, those new kids don't understand work ethic,
Speaker 1: of course not. Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider, will join us.
Speaker 1: With all these coaching situations here, what is the best
Speaker 1: job that's open right now? And where there's smoke, there's
Speaker 1: fire with Urban Meyer? Is he the guy to take
Speaker 1: over in Jacksonville? So Ian will join us a little
Speaker 1: bit later on, and uh, you know, the Chargers job
Speaker 1: is open and I think it's a great open and
Speaker 1: I'll explain. Have that coming up as well. Heisman is
Speaker 1: awarded tonight Chris Fowler, who's hosting Fowler will join us
Speaker 1: coming up next hour. And as we mentioned yesterday, Adam
Speaker 1: Gasee was fired, Doug Morone was fired, Anthony Lynn was
Speaker 1: fired as well, and we'll ask Ian if there are
Speaker 1: more firings on the way. What a cheery note, Hey, Ian,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Any funny other firings on the way.
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Speaker 1: phone calls coming up. People still fired up about this
Speaker 1: Eagles situation. Joe Judge as his press conference yesterday, Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson was asking his press conference yesterday. I don't think
Speaker 1: he answered it, but he was asked. But it's not
Speaker 1: going away, you know, and the playoffs are starting, and
Speaker 1: there's some great matchups here. Like, who would have thought
Speaker 1: if I said, you know what, you know what, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the first week of January Nate Sudfeld.
Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Who won't Who wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be talking about Nate Sudfeld? All right? Chris Fowler
Speaker 1: hosting the Heisman Trophy ceremony next hour. Daniel Jeremiah, who
Speaker 1: works for the NFL Network but he also is the
Speaker 1: analyst for the Chargers in there are games. He'll join
Speaker 1: us a little bit later on as well. We make
Speaker 1: way for Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider. You can follow
Speaker 1: him on Twitter at rap sheet and you can see
Speaker 1: Ian on NFL Networks NFL Game Day morning Saturday and
Speaker 1: Sunday at nine am Eastern. Ian, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Where are you philosophically on the Eagles situation? I wasn't
Speaker 1: that offended. I mean I was watching like everyone else
Speaker 1: just kind of. I mean, there was so much coaching
Speaker 1: stuff going on. Gays got fired during the game. But
Speaker 1: I was watching and all my friends, a lot of Giants, frands,
Speaker 1: friends from home from high school, We're all pissed, and
Speaker 1: everybody was freaking out, and I couldn't find the anger
Speaker 1: and annoyance. I mean, the Steelers left all their starters home,
Speaker 1: the Bills played a bunch of backups. They just I mean,
Speaker 1: the fact that Nate Sudfeld was bad isn't the I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the Eagle's fault because he was on the roster,
Speaker 1: but it's not totally their fault. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: I couldn't find the anger. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. Yeah, I understand that the Giants
Speaker 1: want to see, you know, like a fully equipped Eagles team,
Speaker 1: and they want to go out there and win and
Speaker 1: put your best, you know, effort forward. But Ian, we're
Speaker 1: going to run into even more of these games when
Speaker 1: they add week seventeen, more meaningless games where more teams
Speaker 1: will be resting starters. So the NFL can't, you know,
Speaker 1: South Palestonio yesterday said, you know, the NFL should investigate
Speaker 1: the Eagles I don't know how you investigate that, right,
Speaker 1: It's I mean, yeah, hey, did you try to win?
Speaker 1: I mean right, I mean so Doug Peterson says, yeah,
Speaker 1: we tried to win, and it's like, well, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you also tried to evaluate for next year. Whatever you
Speaker 1: were trying to find out on Nate Sudfel, you probably
Speaker 1: found out. I would also say this, I loved what
Speaker 1: Joe Judge said too, Like the Eagles did what was
Speaker 1: best for their team. They evaluated players, they got a
Speaker 1: better draft pick, which I don't think they were trying
Speaker 1: to do, but I'm just saying they played a lot
Speaker 1: of not good players and that's what happened. They did
Speaker 1: was best for them. And I think Joe Judge's message
Speaker 1: is something that's going to resonate with Giants fans, and
Speaker 1: I know it has already resonated with Giants players. They
Speaker 1: both did what's best for them, and I am really
Speaker 1: okay with that. Yeah, I hope Joe Judge doesn't go
Speaker 1: twelve and four and rest his starters next year. You know,
Speaker 1: just just want to let Joe know, if you plan
Speaker 1: on being around this game a long time, chances are
Speaker 1: it's going to come back and bite you there. But
Speaker 1: the openings that we have right now, the best opening,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, is where if everyone says the Jaguars right,
Speaker 1: because you got the number one pick, and you got
Speaker 1: all the money, and you got actually multiple draft picks,
Speaker 1: and you got a patient owner who's lived through several
Speaker 1: years of Doug Moron, I would say the Jaguars is
Speaker 1: a very very good opening. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: the Chargers is the best though, because like the Jiggars
Speaker 1: are going to draft a quarterback, presumably Trevor Larrence, buto
Speaker 1: we'll see, especially if it's Urban Meyer, we'll see. I
Speaker 1: think Trevor Larrence is a great prospect, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people think he's the best prospect we've
Speaker 1: seen in quite a while. We've not seen him on
Speaker 1: an NFL field. I have seen Justin Herbert on an
Speaker 1: NFL field. He is very very good. He is, I
Speaker 1: mean really good. If I'm a head coach, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind taking over that because, first of all, you got
Speaker 1: a defense, you got some players that is a really
Speaker 1: good personnel group. Tom Telesco does a great job at GM,
Speaker 1: and they got talent. You're really just coming in with
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the playoffs for first year.
Speaker 1: I love the Charger's job. Yeah, I do too. I'm
Speaker 1: with you on that because I have my quarterback. I
Speaker 1: do have some star players. You know, they haven't been healthy,
Speaker 1: but I do have star players. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of pressure on you with the Chargers
Speaker 1: because you're in Los Angeles, so you can go eight
Speaker 1: and eight and people will go, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: we're starting to rebuild here. You're the second team in
Speaker 1: that building, and it just feels like you could go
Speaker 1: in there and kind of ease into that job. You
Speaker 1: go into Jacksonville, you get Trevor Lawrence. Now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, all lives are on you, like, all right,
Speaker 1: and if it's Urban Meyer, now you know people are
Speaker 1: going to expect greatness out of Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: And I think the Urban Meyer rumors, which let's be real,
Speaker 1: I stoked a little bit with my reports on Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday, are true. He's they're interested, he's interested. I
Speaker 1: would consider him the front runner. They got to go
Speaker 1: through the process, but right now I would say there
Speaker 1: is a legitimate chance of that happening. That is going
Speaker 1: to be you know, when media is allowed to do
Speaker 1: human things again, like travel, everyone's going to be at
Speaker 1: their training camp. Are going to go live from their camp.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. It's going
Speaker 1: to be sorry, let me turn my phone off. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields or Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: and everyone's going to be there. And look, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: was a great quarterback. Okay, he was a very promising rookie.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a great job. They won very
Speaker 1: few games. It's hard to have a rookie quarterback coming
Speaker 1: and win a lot of games. Jags might be much
Speaker 1: approved next year and go six and ten. That is
Speaker 1: a hard situation. Charges easier. And I know that the
Speaker 1: report is out there that urban Meyer would be getting
Speaker 1: maybe twelve million dollars a year. Is that I don't
Speaker 1: believe that's true. Okay, I mean he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: be richer than I am. Um, if a twelve million
Speaker 1: is not accurate, you know he deserves a lot. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot, but that number is not relevant
Speaker 1: from what I understand. And then the Jets situation, what
Speaker 1: do you do at number two, and you have Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: How how how good is that jet Jets opening Let's
Speaker 1: say it's pretty good. Um, you know, there are some
Speaker 1: questions though. The roster needs a lot of help. They
Speaker 1: are not talented at all. And I think for Darnald,
Speaker 1: you know, he played well enough at the end of
Speaker 1: the year that my gut is if they want to
Speaker 1: trade him, they probably should do. Um, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to get a second rounder plus or a late first
Speaker 1: rounder for Sam Darnold. That's fine, that's a very good investment.
Speaker 1: Early first round started for three years, then you get
Speaker 1: a late one coming back. Then you have more first
Speaker 1: round picks, and they have plenty. It's just historically they
Speaker 1: have not been good. They need to fix the buildings still.
Speaker 1: They need to kind of come together a little bit,
Speaker 1: I would say. And then there's the what happens when
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson comes back? And honestly, I don't have the
Speaker 1: answer to that. That's that's a questions and Rapp Report.
Speaker 1: NFL Network insider Eric Bienemy going to have his choice
Speaker 1: of these jobs. I hope he gets a job. I
Speaker 1: think he's deserving. He's going to get, you know, several
Speaker 1: interviews I know he's already got some. I think he
Speaker 1: actually interviewed yesterday Lions maybe. I think he actually interviewed
Speaker 1: twice yesterday. He's a really good candidate. It is time.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets a job. But the problem is,
Speaker 1: you know these are there's six jobs. Let's assume, for
Speaker 1: the sake of this argument, that Urban Meyer ends up
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Then that's five jobs. It just takes one
Speaker 1: owner to make the independent decision that this is your guy.
Speaker 1: The odds are still not with him, just because there's
Speaker 1: so many good candidates. So I'm not convinced he gets one.
Speaker 1: I just know he's deserving, and honestly, I kind of
Speaker 1: hope he does. It's just there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: really good candidates too, and that's a problem. He's older
Speaker 1: than Mike Tomlin. Yeah, I mean it's you know, my
Speaker 1: my buddy Tom Pelicero does a list of sort of
Speaker 1: up and coming coaches and he says, all right, if
Speaker 1: you're forty. You know, if you're older than forty, you're
Speaker 1: not on the list because you know, like I'm older
Speaker 1: than forty, I'm not up and coming. I'm just old.
Speaker 1: You're old too, by the way, Um, no offense. But
Speaker 1: Eric Bademy hasn't been on the list in forever, but
Speaker 1: people think he's still up and coming, like he's he's
Speaker 1: been there. But yeah, it is time. And I start
Speaker 1: to look at these quarterbacking situations here, and you know,
Speaker 1: you start with the Jets. What happens we have this
Speaker 1: influx of first round draft picks, potential first round draft picks.
Speaker 1: But then I've got guys like Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell True Biscuit like there. This is these
Speaker 1: waves of quarterbacks. You know, it keeps happening. We always say,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen this in a long time. Here's another
Speaker 1: wave that's coming. And we thought the wave last year
Speaker 1: was big and lasting, and it probably will be. But
Speaker 1: what do you expect to happen with some of the
Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks. Yeah, last year it was weird anomaly, I thought,
Speaker 1: because you had Brady and Rivers and legit quarterbacks changing teams.
Speaker 1: We're going to see more of that this year. So
Speaker 1: here's my early earlier read on the situation. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time imagining that Stafford or Matt Ryan gets
Speaker 1: traded because think about it, the trades happen in March.
Speaker 1: That's when you get the value. That's when you clear
Speaker 1: the salaries, figure out what you can use in free agency.
Speaker 1: Trades happen in March. The Lions and the Falcons are
Speaker 1: not going to know who their quarterbacks are in March.
Speaker 1: They probably know in April when during the draft, but
Speaker 1: they're not going to know in March. So I don't
Speaker 1: think either of those guys gets traded now because you're
Speaker 1: not going to trade them without knowing who The answer is.
Speaker 1: Is it possible Garoppolo gets traded. I think it's possible.
Speaker 1: They came out and said yesterday that they expect him
Speaker 1: to be back. I would say, we'll see. I would
Speaker 1: expect to move back unless they get a better offer
Speaker 1: or a better answer like all of us. And then
Speaker 1: you know Carson Wentz, I think there's a real chance
Speaker 1: he gets traded as well. Indy would be a really
Speaker 1: good option for him. But I mean, we're going to
Speaker 1: see a lot of movement and a lot of needs.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the Saints going to do at
Speaker 1: quarterback next year? That's a big question too. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's it's gonna be a very interesting offseason. Wait, you
Speaker 1: don't think they're sold that Sean Payton's not sold on
Speaker 1: who's Drew's replacement. I mean, I would just say, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to get an angry call from Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: Um my guests based on my eyeballs, and what I
Speaker 1: know is that they will probably be looking for a
Speaker 1: quarterback next year to compliments who they also love. They
Speaker 1: love them, I know they love them, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he's the quarterback in the future there. He's not
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback. I mean, I just know when I
Speaker 1: talk to defensive corps knitters, head coaches, general managers watching
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, they were intrigued, but they were definitely not sold.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm intrigued. But I think Jameis Winston is more
Speaker 1: of an NFL quarterback and hopefully he got this, you know,
Speaker 1: hands on tutorial from Sean Payton and Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: maybe that'll help his judgment when he gets on the field.
Speaker 1: Let me leave you with this. Have the Dolphins seen
Speaker 1: enough of Tua were there? They're convinced they got the
Speaker 1: right guy. I think so. I have not heard otherwise.
Speaker 1: And but but I want to say this, like, if
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to get better at quarterback. As
Speaker 1: a team, you should take it. It's your responsibility to
Speaker 1: take it right. So I cannot say I almost Looking
Speaker 1: at the quarterback situations across the league, there's only like
Speaker 1: ten where you'd say they are done. Right, Like they're done,
Speaker 1: they're not taking a quarterback. I would say for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: I think they are done, but I'm sure they're going
Speaker 1: to evaluate all the quarterbacks in the draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tua is a rookie. Most rookie quarterbacks don't play, and
Speaker 1: if they do play, they're not good. They make mistakes,
Speaker 1: they throw interceptions that look bad, they don't get the offense.
Speaker 1: The problem with two is we saw him play, so
Speaker 1: I think they are sold, but I would not necessarily
Speaker 1: let my life savings up. Good to visity with you
Speaker 1: is always. Thanks for joining us and know it's a
Speaker 1: busy time for you. Thank you. Ian. All right, back
Speaker 1: to my phone and take care. Man at and Rappaport
Speaker 1: NFL Network Insider. You can see him on NFL Network's
Speaker 1: NFL Game Day Morning that'll be Saturday and Sunday at
Speaker 1: nine am Eastern. Yeah. I watched two up and I
Speaker 1: can't help but think of Marcus Mariote doesn't look threatening,
Speaker 1: and you know he obviously had the devastating injury. But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm waiting to see. And you also go
Speaker 1: back to who was he throwing too. He was throwing
Speaker 1: to what will turn out to be four first round
Speaker 1: wide receivers, Judy Rugs, Waddle and the potential Heisman Trophy
Speaker 1: winner Davante Smith. But I think that we're going to
Speaker 1: give to a little more time because of the health,
Speaker 1: because of the hip. I do believe that even though
Speaker 1: if you're a Dolphins fan and you look around, now
Speaker 1: the Dolphins did shut down Justin Herbert, like TWA look
Speaker 1: pretty good in that matchup with him. But if you're
Speaker 1: a Dolphins fan, you're looking around, going Joe Burrows the
Speaker 1: real deal because he was surrounded by talent LSU. He
Speaker 1: was not surrounded by talent in Cincinnati, and he played
Speaker 1: really well. And then you got Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: wasn't a great college quarterback. And was it David Pollock
Speaker 1: who was talking about the system that Oregon ran, like
Speaker 1: they ran the wrong system for his talents and he
Speaker 1: said that yesterday Sandy or the Chargers, the LA Chargers
Speaker 1: are taking advantage of that right now, Tah. You gotta
Speaker 1: you know, do you have the weapons there? You imagine
Speaker 1: you go to practice every day at Alabama. I got
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick is my running back, first
Speaker 1: round draft picks on the offensive line, and I've got
Speaker 1: four wide receivers who are first round draft picks. All
Speaker 1: I gotta do is run the plays. That's it, Yeah, McLevin.
Speaker 1: But like you said, the same thing went Burrow in
Speaker 1: the sense he had. Yeah, but Burrow proved himself with
Speaker 1: Cincinnati two. It didn't have a preseason, you know he had.
Speaker 1: He didn't. This is really unfair, I think to judge
Speaker 1: because he was coming off the injury. The whole thing
Speaker 1: was all jenkie bees of COVID like it doesn't he
Speaker 1: need a little more time? No, I said, he'll get it.
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen where he is that run past
Speaker 1: night like the RPO was always there. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to assess some of these quarterbacks. I don't know how
Speaker 1: good Mac Jones is. I know he's unbelievable in Alabama's system,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how that translates to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like a J. Mccaren was a quality quarterback in college.
Speaker 1: He had really good stats. He doesn't play. He's a
Speaker 1: career backup. Yeah, mcluban, Yeah, I mean, but McCarron fell
Speaker 1: a lot. By the way, the weapons and la are
Speaker 1: pretty good. He had good receivers. How do we know?
Speaker 1: I saw an interesting tweet. How do we know Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is in Carson Wentz. Everyone's annointing Justin Herbert. You
Speaker 1: heard what Rappawarts just said. It's in't it a little
Speaker 1: earlier and just said I love Josh Herbert, But we
Speaker 1: jump on the hot guy and then three years later
Speaker 1: they might not pan out. Well, it's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield and it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he should be the number one overall pick. He's proving that,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's as if he
Speaker 1: forgot how to play the game. Defenses they actually do homework,
Speaker 1: They get tape on you, They understand what you do
Speaker 1: and you don't do well, and they do have a
Speaker 1: game plan against you. Yeah. See, it's funny too, because
Speaker 1: then even after you overcome the hype and you do
Speaker 1: still keep playing well, right like three years down the road,
Speaker 1: and you're like, Wow, this guy really is good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's probably the system. No, that's so there's actually
Speaker 1: no winning. It really doesn't matter. Yeah, we'll take a
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Speaker 1: Jeff and Detroit leads us off. Good morning, Jeff, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind? Good morning there, dah Fell. Let's hope
Speaker 1: everybody going good. Listen. Um, I got two well more
Speaker 1: of a declarative statement and a question. My declarative statement.
Speaker 1: Is there a team right now more dangerous in the
Speaker 1: NFL then the Baltimore Rags. They kind of remind me
Speaker 1: of Eli and a Giant when they get that momentum
Speaker 1: going and they ended up taking our time. Brady, it
Speaker 1: seems like they're getting hot at the right time, and
Speaker 1: that running game is something else going against the Titans.
Speaker 1: That's going to be one down, good game. My question
Speaker 1: to you was this, with expectations so high at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, which team not making it to
Speaker 1: the playoffs was most disappointed? Las Vegas Raiders or Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: because both of them seeming like they were well on
Speaker 1: their way, and somewhere in the middle of the season
Speaker 1: they both just tripped up and not making it into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Thank you, Jeff. I'd say the Raiders, you'd
Speaker 1: cheer three of Gruden. I thought that Arizona was maybe
Speaker 1: a year ahead of schedule. I didn't think they would
Speaker 1: be a playoff team. I thought they would be a
Speaker 1: dangerous team. And it turns out that both of these
Speaker 1: teams not playoff teams. Eight and Nate's not good enough,
Speaker 1: shouldn't be good enough for John Gruden. And I don't
Speaker 1: think John had a great year a good year this year,
Speaker 1: eight and eight. And I know you're in the AFC West,
Speaker 1: but look, Chargers weren't good, Denver wasn't good. You got
Speaker 1: Kansas City and John's got a ten year deal, so
Speaker 1: luck with that. Good luck with that. But they got
Speaker 1: talent there. They do got a lot of talent there.
Speaker 1: Let's see Jim in New Jersey. Hi, Jim, what's own
Speaker 1: your mind? Bye? Dan how are you? That's a new
Speaker 1: year to meet the Danets? Thank you, sir. I've only
Speaker 1: got us through sports radio for the year, but the
Speaker 1: pandemic as well, so many thanks. Anyway, two points, I'm
Speaker 1: a Giants fan. Full disclosure. First about Joe Judge, he
Speaker 1: was talking to Giants fans, I think more than anything else,
Speaker 1: and he got a good reaction. I think he does
Speaker 1: believe that stuff, and it is a little jarring for
Speaker 1: a Giants fan to hear someone from the Patriots tree
Speaker 1: talk about integrity. So I admit that. The second thing,
Speaker 1: let me make a distinction between gamesmanship and cheating. Let's
Speaker 1: say you're a horse owner. You own the best three
Speaker 1: year old, Fitzy. Your best friend owns the second best
Speaker 1: three year old. You win the dirt be his horse
Speaker 1: finished second in the Preakness. You want to rest your
Speaker 1: horse for the Belmont. You announced that, and you put
Speaker 1: a big bet on Tritzie's horse and it wins. No problem.
Speaker 1: If they had started Sutfeld to get some snaps, no problem.
Speaker 1: But what they did is they run their horse and
Speaker 1: the breakness, and then at the quarter pole they have
Speaker 1: the jockey stand up so that Tritzie's horse passes them
Speaker 1: and wins the race and you win the bet. That's cheating.
Speaker 1: That's what my point is that. Well, I see the point, Jim,
Speaker 1: and thanks for the phone call. I think you stretched
Speaker 1: a little too far, because it's not cheating. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Eagles were trying to cheat. I just you know,
Speaker 1: if you said Doug Peterson has money on Washington winning
Speaker 1: the NFC East, then I could understand where you might
Speaker 1: say cheating. There's no proof of that. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: But Doug Peterson it was in a musseline situation, okay,
Speaker 1: and this is what he wants to do. And I
Speaker 1: still go back to the Giants need to take care
Speaker 1: of the Giants business. If you win more than six games,
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about Nate Sudfeld or Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson or anybody else. That's all. You're six and ten.
Speaker 1: You didn't get screwed. Yes, Hee, He should have said,
Speaker 1: we put out a team there that was playing as
Speaker 1: hard as they could, and we thought they gave us
Speaker 1: a chance to win. However, we also thought they gave
Speaker 1: us a good chance to lose. I mean, imagine being
Speaker 1: a Dolphin fan. You won ten games, You're not in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Here's the Giants fans, you're six and ten,
Speaker 1: not ten and six. We got robbed. Cardinals won eight games. Yes, Todd,
Speaker 1: would Peterson have been better saying that the way he
Speaker 1: did with a straight face, or did it with a
Speaker 1: little cute wink at the media. That would that I
Speaker 1: would have happened if he did that. I don't think
Speaker 1: Doug needs to be doing anything cute. How about just coach.
Speaker 1: He didn't need to wink nod grin. Who's gonna win
Speaker 1: the Heisman? Chris Fowler is hosting the awards ceremony tonight.
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