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Speaker 1: The show goes on the official show on the Fish

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Speaker 1: Strips podcast recording here on a Tuesday night, It's Eli

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Speaker 1: Sussman of Fish Stripes with my deputy editor Lewis Addio

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Speaker 1: Weiss to bring you the epic conclusion of the Marlins

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Speaker 1: Off season shopping series. Already, yeah, yeah, we're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: We are ready at Aisle five of this off season

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Speaker 1: shopping series. A reminder for anybody that has missed Isle one,

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Speaker 1: or Ile two, or Ale three, Asle four, we've been

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Speaker 1: doing one a week. They're all on the same podcast feed.

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Speaker 1: They're on fish stripes dot com if you need to

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Speaker 1: find them there. We've been building our way up all

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Speaker 1: based on how they're performing the previous year, and we

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Speaker 1: have reached the summit. These are going to be players

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Speaker 1: that in the twenty twenty one season produced more than

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Speaker 1: four wins above replacement by Baseball Reference calculations. I think,

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Speaker 1: plain and simple, Lewis, if the Marlins get any of

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Speaker 2: Offseason, absolutely, and not to say that getting one of

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Speaker 1: Marlins would have to be willing to give up even

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Speaker 1: additional pieces outside of that to make it work. And

433
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Speaker 1: for the Pirates, I just won't see a whole lot

434
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Speaker 1: of incentive there where they are one of those teams

435
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Speaker 1: right now that among people in the industry, people are

436
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Speaker 1: pretty excited about their future and what they have coming

437
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Speaker 1: up through the organization, but locally the morale of that

438
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Speaker 1: fan base probably couldn't be any lower. So a move

439
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Speaker 1: like this just sets to me even further back in

440
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Speaker 1: that regard, and that's why I'm a little skeptical of

441
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Speaker 1: him really being available right now.

442
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Speaker 2: You know what's so funny, though, I don't know how

443
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Speaker 2: much stock you put into Baseball references similarity scores, but

444
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Speaker 2: you know, I was looking at them earlier today and

445
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Speaker 2: when the guy's top three comps are Shinsu Chu, Jim Edmunds,

446
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Speaker 2: and Jason Giambi and even at four Ishndra eighthier, and

447
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Speaker 2: I don't know how if you're one hundred percent familiar

448
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Speaker 2: with the way SIMS scores works, Bill James does on

449
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Speaker 2: a zero one thousand scale, and anything closest to a

450
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Speaker 2: thousand is most similar as far as every factor or

451
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Speaker 2: as every number of players put up to that point

452
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Speaker 2: in their career put together, in compared relative to the

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Speaker 2: player that's in question. But if he's a hybrid of

454
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Speaker 2: any of those guys, if he's pro, if he's any

455
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Speaker 2: of those guys, I don't think he's gonna have the

456
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Speaker 2: forty home run power of Jason Giombi, but he has

457
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Speaker 2: the ability to put up the beyond base and maybe

458
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Speaker 2: the twenty five to thirty were home run power of

459
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Speaker 2: a Chew or An Edmonds. Yeah. I mean, he's going

460
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Speaker 2: to be valuable regardless of where you go. I mean,

461
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Speaker 2: if they don't trade him, I think the Pirates should

462
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Speaker 2: make him a centerpiece that they build around, for sure

463
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Speaker 2: on the position player front. You know, you give him

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of money, You kind of make him your

465
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Speaker 2: this version of Andrew McCutcheon, you know, build around him

466
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Speaker 2: they which they did with McCutcheon though that didn't go

467
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Speaker 2: much farther than you know, the wild card games, and

468
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Speaker 2: just make him a player that you build around. But yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: he's going to be so expensive in trading trade thumbs

470
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Speaker 2: with he's brought up. I mean, like I said, I

471
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Speaker 2: couldn't even put together a trade that makes sense because

472
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Speaker 2: I don't even know, you know, where you start. I

473
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Speaker 2: don't want to give up a guy like Trevor Rodgers.

474
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Speaker 2: I think he's a guy that, as you go on,

475
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, it may be hyperbole, but I

476
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Speaker 2: think he's a guy like Rogers, who, again i'd be

477
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Speaker 2: scared to give up, has almost like Chris Sale as

478
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Speaker 2: potential should he continue at the pace he's going. Again,

479
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Speaker 2: the sample size is very small. He's less than two

480
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Speaker 2: hundred innings in the big leagues, but you know, the

481
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Speaker 2: potential is there. I wouldn't want to give up on

482
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Speaker 2: a guy like that. And again, pitchers only throw every

483
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Speaker 2: five days, so not one hundred percent sure, But I

484
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Speaker 2: don't know it's He's going to be a fascinating guy.

485
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Speaker 2: Would you know? It would be on a mixed feelings

486
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Speaker 2: if they give up a guy like him. But centerfield

487
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Speaker 2: is a position that we need to address, and yeah, let's.

488
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Speaker 1: Stick with that with these upcoming players. This being asle

489
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Speaker 1: five of our offseason the shopping series looking at the

490
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Speaker 1: best of the best from this past season, who are

491
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Speaker 1: potential Marlins targets during the offseason, We're going to go

492
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Speaker 1: to a very very very familiar name in center fields.

493
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Speaker 1: The top free agent on the board at center field

494
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Speaker 1: by far, Starling Marte four point seven war this past

495
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Speaker 1: season puted up most of that with the Marlins, and

496
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Speaker 1: he did it despite missing a big chunk of the

497
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Speaker 1: year due to injury. What it found is out of

498
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Speaker 1: all players, all the position players in this tier, there

499
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Speaker 1: was forty something of them. You know, he was at

500
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Speaker 1: the bottom end in terms of actual games played, like

501
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Speaker 1: he accrue to all this value despite missing a quarter

502
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Speaker 1: of the season due to it was one injury of

503
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Speaker 1: course with the Marlins, and then he also missed a

504
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Speaker 1: couple of games down the stretch with the A's and

505
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Speaker 1: he had despite that, he put up the value that's

506
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Speaker 1: been more or less like the story of his career

507
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Speaker 1: that he goes under the radar, he puts up great numbers.

508
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Speaker 1: He is a little bit you could say, injury prone,

509
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Speaker 1: and yet you know, when he is health it's worth

510
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Speaker 1: it because when he is healthy, he's one of the

511
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Speaker 1: better players in the league. As people know he won missing.

512
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Speaker 1: Aspect of his game, you might say, is consistent over

513
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Speaker 1: the fence. Power not necessarily a whole lot of home

514
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Speaker 1: runs that didn't pick up for him even after the trade.

515
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Speaker 1: He does everything else. He does absolutely everything else. He

516
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Speaker 1: led the league in stolen bases. He did it with

517
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Speaker 1: ridiculous efficiency, especially with the A's. It's almost like he challenged.

518
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Speaker 1: It was some sort of perverted challenge where every single

519
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: time he got on base during like the month of August,

520
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Speaker 1: he was stealing and he was averaging like a stolen

521
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Speaker 1: base every game for most of the month without getting caught.

522
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Speaker 1: When he's motivated, when he makes the game look so easy,

523
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Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively, we had high expectations for him

524
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Speaker 1: entering the year. I'd say as much as anything, the

525
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Speaker 1: defense really did surprise me, just because you look at

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Speaker 1: the history of center fielders of a certain age. He

527
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Speaker 1: was thirty two this past year. He just turned thirty three.

528
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Speaker 1: There are not a lot of every day center fielders

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Speaker 1: at that age because they just it's a young man's

530
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Speaker 1: position to play, and just watching him and stats back

531
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Speaker 1: it up like he continues to stick at that very

532
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Speaker 1: valuable position, where I think when you're talking about pursuing

533
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Speaker 1: him in free agency, the most conservative estimates I've said

534
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Speaker 1: I've seen would be him taking a two year deal

535
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Speaker 1: with a huge at annual average value. I'd say the

536
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Speaker 1: more likely scenario is it's probably four years that there

537
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Speaker 1: are just so many teams interested that at the very least,

538
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be three with some sort of favorable option

539
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Speaker 1: at the ends, or a full four years guaranteed. And

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Speaker 1: based on you know, reporting that we covered here on

541
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Speaker 1: the pod extensively, it didn't seem the Marlins weren't comfortable

542
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Speaker 1: extending him for four guaranteed years. That's what ultimately makes

543
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: this conversation kind of like the Reynolds conversation perhaps a

544
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: little bit pointless, because how much could really change about

545
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Speaker 1: the front offices thinking between July and now. Probably not

546
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Speaker 1: that much because his price has gone up with how

547
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Speaker 1: he played down the stretch. But he was contending for

548
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Speaker 1: the batting title and he's done that before. Like he's

549
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Speaker 1: he not only had an amazing year, but it's a

550
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Speaker 1: year that is pretty similar to a couple other years

551
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Speaker 1: that he had previously. Despite spending like sixty ish games

552
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Speaker 1: with the Marlins, he was one of the MVPs of

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Speaker 1: the Marlins for this entire year. We know how dynamic

554
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Speaker 1: he is, how much he likes Miami, and I guess

555
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Speaker 1: one other important thing just to bring up is that

556
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Speaker 1: because he's coming from the A's a team that's been

557
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Speaker 1: very unsubtle about their plans to begin to rebuild, he's

558
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Speaker 1: not going back todays. There is one team, the one

559
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Speaker 1: other team that he's played for recently is almost certainly

560
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Speaker 1: even has a less of an appetite to spend than

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Speaker 1: the Marlins do. So that's one suitor that you think

562
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Speaker 1: is going to be out of the race. The fact

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Speaker 1: that he was traded means he's not going to be

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Speaker 1: attached to the qualifying offer. So you look at it

565
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Speaker 1: both sides, like there are some factors that you think

566
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Speaker 1: actually do favorite than Marlins, and then you just go

567
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Speaker 1: back to the very frustrating reality that they had a

568
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: chance to extend him and avoid this whole situation and

569
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Speaker 1: didn't do it. But yeah, I'm all over the place

570
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Speaker 1: with him because we just we know him so intimately.

571
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Speaker 1: But anything you want to add, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading Jim Bowden's PE's ranking the top

573
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Speaker 2: twenty five free agents today on the Athletic when it's

574
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Speaker 2: a good read. If you guys want to take a

575
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Speaker 2: look at it, and you know, I'm not going to

576
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Speaker 2: talk too much about that article. All I will say

577
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Speaker 2: in brief summary is that he may have overestimated what

578
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Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are going to get. The

579
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Speaker 2: numbers that he threw out for Marte kind of raised

580
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: my eyebrows a little bit. I was like, hmm, the

581
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Speaker 2: years didn't necessarily concern me that much. But Bowden put

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Speaker 2: out there a projected deal of four years, one hundred

583
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Speaker 2: and four million dollars. I again, if that's the case

584
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Speaker 2: at an aav of twenty six million, I don't think

585
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Speaker 2: the Marlins are even gonna come close. Yeah, no way,

586
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Speaker 2: I don't even think they come past like fifteen million

587
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Speaker 2: on that. I mean, mark Ta, you know, there are

588
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Speaker 2: as great as he was last year, I still like,

589
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Speaker 2: I hate to be the cynic, but there there are

590
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Speaker 2: some concerns that lie with him. Granted, while he's on

591
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: the field, he's an excellent player. Is War one sixty

592
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Speaker 2: two is I believe in near five. And if you're

593
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Speaker 2: getting a five wind player on average, you know, one

594
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: hundred and four million dollars a game is a comes

595
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Speaker 2: to steal. You know. His career best walk rate was

596
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: this year eight point two percent. Not awful, but again,

597
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: he's never been like the best on bass guy. As

598
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Speaker 2: far as beyond just getting base hits, the hard hit

599
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: rate isn't the most encouraging thing. He finished in the

600
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Speaker 2: twentieth percentile on our Jaxson velocity forty percentage and hard

601
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Speaker 2: hit rate. But he also just doesn't miss when he

602
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Speaker 2: swings most of the time. He only struck out in

603
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Speaker 2: ninety nine times this year. He finds the ball. The

604
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Speaker 2: note I is he finds the ball, but he doesn't

605
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Speaker 2: always square it up, and I think that shows itself

606
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Speaker 2: in the hard hit metrics. That being said, though, he

607
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: has his skill set that very few guys utilized in

608
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Speaker 2: this day and age because of analytics, and that's base running. Really,

609
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Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody else beyond him, maybe him Turner,

610
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Speaker 2: Trey Turner, and whit Marfield that are prolific base Steelers.

611
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Speaker 2: I mean, we vant guys nowadays if they hit twenty

612
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Speaker 2: home runs and steal like sixteen bases because it's a

613
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Speaker 2: nice combination of power speed and there's even power speed

614
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Speaker 2: metrics out there to measure the you know, the performance

615
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Speaker 2: of guys like that. But then to ye also at

616
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Speaker 2: the factor and like you noted his age, he just

617
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: turned thirty three. Do you really want to give twenty

618
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Speaker 2: six million dollars to a guy who before this year

619
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Speaker 2: wasn't considered a great center fielder, but in the corners

620
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Speaker 2: was great, you know, maybe as a left fielder. That

621
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Speaker 2: being said, though, should you bring him back. I think

622
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Speaker 2: it frees up Brian Dala Cruz from having to play

623
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Speaker 2: center field because I think as good as an offensive

624
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Speaker 2: player as he was in his first showing with the team,

625
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Speaker 2: and granted it was less than sixty games, if you

626
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Speaker 2: project that defense in centerfield over the course of a

627
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Speaker 2: full season. I don't have a lot of high hopes

628
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Speaker 2: for a guy like Dayla Cruz glove and centerfield, but

629
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Speaker 2: I think he's better and left I think, hey, sus

630
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Speaker 2: Sanchez is better off served in right field, though I

631
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Speaker 2: think he's a guy on a pinch can play center field.

632
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Speaker 2: You know, as much as I love Martine and I

633
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: you know, would like to see him re sign, if

634
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: people were throwing numbers out there of nine digits as

635
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Speaker 2: a possible contract for him, chances on Miami is just

636
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna walk away and maybe pursue other options. Although as

637
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Speaker 2: ironic as it sounds, as much as that is for

638
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: a guy like him, considering that he you know, doesn't

639
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: happen to just power like you know that he only

640
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: slug for fifty eight which not bad. He sat on

641
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: won thirty two a pslus in total, he only had

642
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Speaker 2: twelve home runs. I mean, he's fast, but how to

643
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: speed age? We see that it doesn't always age well

644
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Speaker 2: unless you're n andrecky Anderson. Yeah, I mean, you know,

645
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Speaker 2: I don't even know where are you even comfortable with

646
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: giving a guy a contract like that? Do you go

647
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: past seventy million? Do you give him eighty million?

648
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I gave out a very particular number when we

649
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: discussed it back in July. I think I arrived at

650
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: four years in sixty seven million was the number that

651
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: I was comfortable with, which, again, just based on the

652
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: reporting from the Miami Herald at the time, it sounds

653
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: like that would have gotten it done back then. But

654
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the way that things are trending here, well, I'm all

655
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: this being a big guessing game with the new CBA

656
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: and how long he's gonna wait that if they were

657
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: still able to get him at that number, I'd still

658
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: approve of it, but it seems like more likely than not,

659
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna inch a little higher. Than that, or if

660
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: not that, it would just be like comparable guarantee but

661
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: only over three years. Yeah, something like that. I think

662
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: either way, based on also how they traded Duval away

663
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: and don't have him, it just leaves you a situation

664
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: where you don't need necessarily need to be picky about

665
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: getting a center fielder. Where like if they just if

666
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: they got him and they're like, after a year one,

667
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna shift to left field, you know, that'd

668
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: be great too, based on the situation where we're at now,

669
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: because they do have they still have a bunch of

670
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: intriguing prospects coming up in the outfield who we expect

671
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: to be over the course of the season. But I mean,

672
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: in terms of entering the season and entering a season

673
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: where you want to have some expectations of being competitive,

674
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: getting either a center fielder or a left fielder of

675
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: his caliber would be just a massive, massive win. And

676
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit skeptical. I was listening to a

677
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: quick aside as we were earlier in the day when

678
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: we were recording this. Jazz Chisham Junior did a live

679
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: stream opening Baseball Cards, and he was doing a Q

680
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: and A during that live stream, and the question came up,

681
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: who does he feel is the most underappreciated player in

682
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: the majors and out of all the players in the

683
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: majors that he could have brought off, he said Starling Marte.

684
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: So I think that speaks not just the ability that

685
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: he has, but also the relationships that he built with

686
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: guys like Jazz and plenty of the other players. Marlins

687
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of continuity with these position players that

688
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: were here in both twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.

689
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Just another reason why I think he would. He seemed

690
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: to really make an impression on his teammates when when

691
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: he was here. In assuming a lot of those players

692
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: are going to be back, it's just another sign like

693
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: pointing to them to at least like dip their toe

694
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: in the water and try to right or wrong. You

695
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: could say that they made by trading him.

696
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean far Hans Aedy knows Oakland's system from

697
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: his time with the A's and he's in San Francisco now,

698
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: recently just named Executive of the Year. The Giants don't

699
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: even have a true blue center for there. I mean,

700
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: they have guys like Steven Duggar and Mauricio Dubone who

701
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: doubles as a short stuff sometimes. He was listed as

702
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: a projected fit in San Francisco. The Yankees have Aaron Hicks,

703
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: but he's never healthy. They owe him. I believe that

704
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: another forty million over four years, but I wouldn't be

705
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: surprised if they shot out some money. There's also another

706
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: team who could use a catcher, but this isn't a

707
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: Yankees podcast, so we will move on to another Oakland A. Again.

708
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna blow it up just because they

709
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: There was a report that came out today via the

710
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: Leacher Report, where the A's noted they were gonna make

711
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: some of their young players avail, particularly pitchers. Guys like

712
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Frankie Montass available in trade. And you know, he's the

713
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: guy that we could have discussed in an earlier episode

714
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: had we known about this or had some foresight. But

715
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: and I think the most expensive guy that would probably

716
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: be on that Ronster trade. But again, I understand we

717
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: got Lou and Diez, but I'm not gonna pass with

718
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: the opportunity to acquire a guy like Matt Olson if

719
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: one such one exists. I think Matt Olsen is the

720
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: most at least entering twenty twenty one of the most underrated,

721
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: if not the most underrated player in baseball. I think

722
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: he's an excellent player. I think he checks so many

723
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: boxes he has. You know, swing and miss was a

724
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: problem early in his career. But we also have to

725
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: take into account he struck out a career low sixteen

726
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: point eight percent of the time this year. The slash

727
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: line itself is amazing. I mean two seventy one, three

728
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: seventy one, five forty a one to fifty three ohps

729
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: plus career ops plus has one thirty four, So he

730
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: has a track record, and that's five years of excellent

731
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: off performance. He is a Gold Glove caliber first baseman.

732
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: I believe he's won two goal goos before. I watch

733
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: him play first base and I'm like, I've never seen

734
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: a guy as smooth at the position another maybe than

735
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Pooh Holes in its prime. I mean, he hits the

736
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: shit out of the ball. If I can, you know,

737
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: you use one of George Carlin's seven deadly sid words.

738
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Average hetics velocity ninety fifth percentile, eighty seven percentile in

739
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: hard hit rate eighty second percent, tile and barel rate

740
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: ninety second percent, tile and walk rate. He walked eighty

741
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: eight times last year. If they want to blow it

742
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: up and you want to get a haul, then sign

743
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: me up for whatever it's going to take to get

744
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: a guy like Matt Wilson. Because I think he's affordable.

745
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of years before free agency for

746
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: agent after twenty twenty three, So imagine having that production

747
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: at first base. Should this not be his apex and

748
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: say he could do this for another year or two,

749
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: even if he's doing it at a one thirty and

750
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: one forty ops plus clip. But I just think there's

751
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: like so much to like about him. I understand that

752
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: lew And Diaz and was encouraging at point, but if

753
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: you really want to compete right now while the Mets

754
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: don't know their ask from a hole in the ground,

755
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: I think right now is the best time to go

756
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: out and get a guy like this. You know, we

757
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: talked about Brian Reynolds being expensive. I think Olsen's going

758
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: to be expensive, but for two years of club control

759
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: for somebody who's as underappreciated yet elite as he was.

760
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, granted he was a six win player this

761
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: year by Baseball Reference, we're five point eight. I love

762
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: this guy so much. You can even put him in

763
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: the corner outfield spots and he's going to be an

764
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: above average defender for you there if you need him to.

765
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: He just checks off so many boxes about what it

766
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: is that you need in a first basement and just

767
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: a player in general. I mean, you know, I propose

768
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: the trade maybe like a low and Diaz plus one

769
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: or two A B grade prospects in return for him

770
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: and maybe some lower level guys that DA's or can

771
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: kind of work to develop as the years go. But

772
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you know, I love Matt

773
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Olsen so much. I think he's so underappreciated. And this

774
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: year may have been the best year, thank here, and

775
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: nobody even talked about it.

776
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Yet another guy who during the pandemic shortened season, trailed

777
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: off and people didn't know exactly what to do with

778
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: him when he had won ninety five during that middle

779
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: season where he's a league average hitter overall. Before the pandemic,

780
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: as as you said, he was as underrated as anybody,

781
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: and then he followed it up with a year where

782
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: doing the same things that people already liked about him,

783
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: with the addition of the fact that he just stopped

784
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: striking out that change to go from a guy that

785
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: always had some swing and misconcerns being an elite player

786
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: in that regard is almost unheard of. I'm glad you

787
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: brought up Leywan Diaz because for anybody that the most

788
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: ridiculous fantasies that you could possibly have about Leywan Diaz

789
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: is that he becomes a player that is close to

790
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: the level of Matt Olsen, and the alternative is trading

791
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: for actual Matt Olsen. And that's something that I wish

792
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: people had have more perspective on, is what a goal

793
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: there is between somebody who's absolute potential apex is stardom

794
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: versus the player that's already had a pretty lengthy track

795
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: record of stardom and is still very much in the

796
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: prime of his career. That this is one of those

797
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: few cases where, even if the Marlins do have this

798
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: pretty obvious surplus of first basement types, that this is

799
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that you that you like, throw

800
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: that all away in order to focus all your efforts

801
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: on this one because of how dynamic he is and

802
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: how much he helps you win so in various aspects

803
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: of the game. I agree that he's somebody worth looking

804
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: at everybody on there's so many valuable pieces on that

805
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: as organization worth taking a look at it. I think

806
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: we discussed Matt Chapman briefly. I brought up Chris Bassett

807
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: briefly as one of the arms that I'd love to

808
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: fill out the pitching staff with someone that's experienced and

809
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: yet doesn't have much of a to go along with him. Yeah,

810
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: for better or worse. You know, the eighties weren't able

811
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: to reach contract extensions with basically anybody. So on one hand,

812
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: it gives you it's a low risk because if these guys,

813
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: for whatever reason totally tail off, then you don't have

814
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: anything commit to them long term. At the same time, you'd,

815
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, you'd love to have even more

816
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: than two years of control over him. Yeah, I like it.

817
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: There's gonna be I think one particular rumor that did

818
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: come out this week with Matt Olsen is that the

819
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Yankees were very interested in him, and they're in a

820
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: similar situation where they have some of their own first

821
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: basemen candidates internally, but none that are really that great

822
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: or that trustworthy moving forward, so they're prepared to like

823
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: focus all their efforts on one guy that absolutely matches

824
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: at the position. I think I'll take this opportunity to

825
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: do a little cheating on here, like going with a

826
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: player that isn't really in this aisle for whatever reason,

827
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I overlooked him when we were on the previous aisle

828
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: four because he just falls in at three point nine

829
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: war this past season. Another trade candidate, another guy that

830
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: also has two years of control remaining, and that would

831
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: be Blue Jay's outfielder ta Oscar Hernandez. He also absolutely

832
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: scorches the ball like his batted ball stats year after

833
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: year have kind of flown under the radar because he's

834
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: teammates with Vladdie Junior and now with George Springer. But

835
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: this past year thirty two home runs, one hundred and

836
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: sixteen RBIs slashing two ninety six, three forty six five

837
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: twenty four, and he's somebody that actually was also awesome

838
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: during the pandemic twenty twenty season as well, and that

839
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: shorten year a nine to nineteen ops and he had

840
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: sixteen homers in just fifty games during that shortened season.

841
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I bring him up because this this idea of Toronto

842
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: trading bats and the Marlins trading pitching to them has

843
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: been discussed kind of at nauseum, going back all the

844
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: way to the trade deadline, and most of those concepts

845
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a huge fan of. Like, I

846
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: don't really think there's all that many pieces with the

847
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Blue Jays that are are in that sweet spot who

848
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: really like fit the needs to a t that the

849
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: Marlins have. But if the Marlins are really determined to

850
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: get outfielders that have this type of plus plus power

851
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: who are still affordable and in their prime, and for

852
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: the blue Jays being that this is the one position

853
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: where they do have kind of they would be more

854
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: willing to take somebody from that outfield mix without necessarily

855
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: feeling a big hit themselves. I think Tasker Hernandez is

856
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: that one guy more so, like people have mentioned to me,

857
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: Lord Discuriel, who is a teammate with his who plays

858
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: left field and some infield, but his and I think

859
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Tasker is the one that has the more exceptional natural

860
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: ability that he's the one that you would trust making

861
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: that pretty strange leap from going to a very hitter

862
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: friendly environment in Roger Center, it's making lone depot. He

863
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: has such incredible power that I just feel so much

864
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: more comfortable about it translating anywhere and him not being

865
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: phased by the conditions of the ballpark. So, as I said,

866
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, two years of control remaining, Marlins would have

867
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: to go up quite a bit. Whether it's one of

868
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: their very top pitching prospects or somebody that's actually already

869
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: major League ready, it would hurt. But it's it's it's

870
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: I think it's in that sweet spot where it's it's doable,

871
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: where I think there is some common ground that could

872
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: be found between the teams in order to potentially get

873
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: something like that done.

874
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we saw a report today where the Marlins

875
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: were thinking about shopping one of three starting pitchers, which

876
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: made me raise my head because if they trade Sandy Alcantara,

877
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: I'll become a Mets fan just at a protest. But

878
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: you know, you talked about what it would maybe cost.

879
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Pablo Lopez has never really has had a

880
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: full season, though we do like him a lot. I

881
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: mean we did even see him. I mean I covered

882
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: the game in person where he set the record for

883
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: most strikeouts the first time through the order to start

884
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: a ball game. He struck out every single hitter, and

885
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: I believe he became one strikeout shy of Corbyn Burns,

886
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: Corburn Burns, Aeronola and Tom Severs record for ten in

887
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: a row before he got a ground up at first.

888
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, to ask her hand is the one thing

889
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: that I do have concerns about with him is the defense.

890
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: He is a corner guy, so I think trading for

891
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: him would know the idea of getting a guy like Castianos,

892
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: who maybe will cost more as far as dollars go,

893
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: but is more of a sure thing with offense because

894
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: there's no ness. I mean, there's a bit of shriekiness

895
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: to a guy like Castianos, and there's more of it,

896
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: and so with the guy like Taoscar Hernandez. But you know,

897
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: trading for him, you're gonna have to probably keep day

898
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: La Cruz in center. It may block La day a

899
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: bit because if he as far as where he's gonna go,

900
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: because nobody thinks he's a center fielder going forward. He's

901
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: kind of always been pegged as left or right fielder,

902
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: even when he was at Vanderbilt. But that being said,

903
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, just to have that kind of

904
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: bat in your line up, just that presence is something

905
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: that you know, it would be fun for fans to

906
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: kind of witness on it every day or so, uh

907
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: he it isn't it didn't talk about this year too.

908
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: Is a better base runner than people give him credit

909
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: for eighty fifth percent island sprint speed, twelve stolen bases.

910
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can steal ten plus bags when

911
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: hitting thirty home runs, things that we kind of saw

912
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: guys like you know, gold Schmid doing in the earlier

913
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: part of his career. And again I'm not making it

914
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: a direct comparison. It makes for a really good player,

915
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: and you know, how the defense been better. I would say,

916
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred percent, but there are concerns that

917
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: come with that. You know, how much can you hit

918
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: to offset out bad somebody's glove really is as a

919
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: guy like Gary Sheffield and again not a compare, and

920
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: it's just another case of two totally different skill sets

921
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: kind of coexisting within one player. You know, there's a

922
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: guy that you've talked about in nauseum. There's a guy

923
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: that we all kind of talk about is being super

924
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: affordable so good that again it's he's almost and I

925
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: was thinking about as I was getting ready for the shows,

926
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about, is he the Scottie Pippen of

927
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: baseball as far as just performing and vastly being underpaid.

928
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about Jose Ramirez because the performance so

929
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: far outweighs what he's making. I mean, he has an

930
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: eleven million dollar club option for twenty twenty two and

931
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: a thirteen million dollar club option for twenty twenty three.

932
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: So his initial contract, besides these team options that he has,

933
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: is up very affordable contract that he's done. To believe

934
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: it was under fifty million dollars that he had signed

935
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: during the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen season.

936
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: It's one of the best long term contracts ever, and

937
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: it is a long term contract because they cover like

938
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: basically his whole twenties. It's not done yet. It is

939
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: because of just how consistently amazing he is that we're

940
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: gonna look back on that and people will point to

941
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: that as perhaps more surplus value than we've ever seen before.

942
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: He's already a thirty two war player. He's the odd

943
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: I wrote down that he's the oddest five tool player

944
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen. As far as the physical makeup goes,

945
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: It's like if Janya Rebay took walks and didn't strike

946
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: out as much, he'd be Jose Ramirez because Wanya Rebay,

947
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: for as big a guy as he was during his career,

948
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: actually managed to play shortstop on a World Series seen

949
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez tent is in is in an excellent defensive

950
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: third baseman plus ten defensive runs saved this year, doing

951
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: it while striking out seventy two times. I believe he's

952
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: struck out almost as much as he's walked in his career,

953
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: maybe eighty or ninety more strikeouts to walks. But in

954
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: this era, you know, he's essentially Joe Demaggio in that regard.

955
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: Twenty he runs the base as well, twenty seven sold bases,

956
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: he hits for a for elite power. He all while

957
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: not you look at him and you're like, how does

958
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: he even make a lot of this work? And it

959
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: should be shouldn't be ignored that he can play pretty

960
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: much every infield position that he's and he's done that

961
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: besides first base. He's played some left field before, so

962
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: you know something he's maybe not done in a while.

963
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: But he's a lot more versatile defensively than people give

964
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: him credit for. But that being said, you know, it's

965
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: not hyperbole. To say he may be the best third

966
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: basement in baseball, because I mean he's a seven win player.

967
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: He's done that before. He finished top three in the

968
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: MVP voting I believe twice second once. So he's he's

969
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: going to cost you so much money because even at

970
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: twenty four million dollars over two years, while it may

971
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: not be cheap to most people, it's a bargain relative

972
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: to the production that he's going to give you. Everything

973
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: on his baseball is at pages in red ink. So

974
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: it's just like he doesn't do anything below I think

975
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: the sixtieth percentile. So he's just excellent in almost everything

976
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: that he does. I mean, he's going to be so expensive.

977
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Whoever gets him is going to give up a whole.

978
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: They're going to back up a truck. And you know,

979
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna hit free agency. I believe before

980
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: the age of thirty. If I'm not mistaken, I could

981
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: be wrong on that. But he's just just the skill

982
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: set that he says. I mean, the last thing I'll

983
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: I'll say before I stop. You know, Levin on the guy.

984
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: I looked at some of his additional stack cast metrics,

985
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: like you know, he didn't slug below four eighty on

986
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: any pitch type this season, so on breaking balls, fastballs,

987
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: and off speed pitches five e d four and fastballs

988
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: four eighty on breaking stuff four eighty eight on off speed.

989
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: He hits everything. And you know, we talked about a

990
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: guy like Starling Marte who doesn't square up the ball

991
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: as much. Jose Ramirez does it at a much better rate,

992
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: and he strikes out even less. So it's just like,

993
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: you know who you want to acquire, and I know

994
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: we have Brian Anderson, and Brian Anderson has been encouraging.

995
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: We use that word a lot with Marlin's prospects because

996
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: and players, because you know, we've we haven't seen it in

997
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: a while, a full season of just like oh my

998
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 2: god from a particular guy in a long time, maybe

999
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: back to the days of stant and Yealig. But was

1000
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: marriage you like, you know what you have to do

1001
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: to pull up a trade like that? Would you know,

1002
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: almost be like robbery just considering what he gives you

1003
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: and what you're paying him in dollars.

1004
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: One thing I don't want to gloss over is the

1005
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: fact that he used to be a primary middle infielder

1006
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: shortstop type and he moved off of shortstop because Francisco

1007
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Lindor was there and he was teammates with Lindor and

1008
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Lindor it's one of the best shortstops in baseball, and

1009
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: I guess defensively he couldn't possibly be that good. But

1010
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: even though we categorize him as a third baseman because

1011
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: that's what he's been primarily, you know, during this prime

1012
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: of his career, he could probably play shortstop if you

1013
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: put him on like most other teams, if he stays

1014
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: with the Guardians next year, I mean, maybe he starts

1015
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: next year as their shortstop, because he's still at a

1016
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: stage of his career where all measurables say that the

1017
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: skills have not diminished one bit. He's rusty at that position,

1018
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: as we'll probably talk about a little bit before we

1019
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: get to the end of the show, that there are

1020
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: there's just an unprecedented volume of elite shortstops available this

1021
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: off season, and we don't really categorize Jose Ramirez as such.

1022
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't totally like hold it past him to

1023
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: be able to potentially make that switch and actually fit

1024
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: in with whatever team he goes to, including the Marlins

1025
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: as a shortsop, which is even you know, just as

1026
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: valuable as you can get, even more so than being

1027
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: a third basement, which in itself would be awesome. He

1028
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: seems to me, compared to somebody like Brian Reynolds, I

1029
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: think he is just a little bit more attainable. I

1030
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: think there is a scenario where you headline him either

1031
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: with your very best prospect or somebody like nobody wants

1032
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: to hear it, but somebody like Jazz Chisholm as the

1033
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: headliner that and maybe there is some sort of package

1034
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: that could be put together that Cleveland would be willing

1035
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on. I'm not getting my hopes

1036
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: up because, just as the case with some of the

1037
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: guys we've mentioned, the majority of teams in baseball would

1038
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: be on the phone if he were truly available, and

1039
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: some of those teams would be able to put together

1040
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: even better offers in terms of what Cleveland is looking

1041
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: for than the Marlins can't. But I would not totally

1042
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: rule it out. And he is just to finish on

1043
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: this is, as you mentioned, just so delightful to watch.

1044
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: He's not built like very many baseball players, and yet

1045
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: he absolutely stuffs the staff sheet in like such a

1046
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: satisfying way. It's not just the overall war, but it's

1047
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he piles up all those extra base hits,

1048
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: that he's one of the few guys that consistently steals

1049
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: bases and does it efficiently. He does everything he is.

1050
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that he's underrated, because we've

1051
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: said that for a lot of guys already. I think

1052
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: we've reached a point where he is accepted as one

1053
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: of the very very best players, as somebody that I

1054
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: could eventually be someone we talked about as a Hall

1055
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: of Fame candidate once his year is over, just depending

1056
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: on how he ages. He is that special. You just

1057
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: hope that he goes to a place. You want him here.

1058
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: You want them with the Marlins, I think more so

1059
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: than he Even though I feel very strongly about Brian Anderson,

1060
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I like having him around. This is sort of what

1061
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: we mentioned with Matt Olsen, that you really are willing

1062
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: to just blow up your plans at an entire position

1063
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: if you get somebody like this, because these guys are

1064
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: do not come available every off season.

1065
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you want to paint a hypothetical

1066
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: dream scenario, say Jazz Chisholm is involved in a package

1067
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: where we see Jose Ramires heading to Miami. Miami could

1068
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: in turn, you know, if they need a second basement

1069
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: for a short term, say a guy on a one

1070
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: or two year deal, to you know, coexist in Miami

1071
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: about the same time that Ramirez would be there with

1072
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: his contracts, because it's a given that regardless of where

1073
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: he goes, you know, that thirteen million dollar club option,

1074
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: even if the team, like even in a team like Cleveland,

1075
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: and if they're gonna be bound to pick it up,

1076
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: you could sign your your guy had wat a Escobar

1077
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: and move him over to second base. It also gives

1078
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: Ramirez the ability and he's a selfless guy like a

1079
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: Miguel Rojas, where you know, all three of those guys theoretically, Rojas, Ramirez,

1080
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: and Escobar have the ability to move around if multiple

1081
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: holes keep a lot of guys fresh, you know, we

1082
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: can there's always drafts and trades where we can, you know,

1083
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: go in and acquire another second basement if we need to.

1084
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: But he would just make this team a lot better.

1085
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: And then if you add that power, and then you

1086
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: add the power of an Escobar on the lineup, and

1087
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: we discussed him in a previous episode. It makes the

1088
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: whole lineup a lot more formidable. I mean Chisholm, you know,

1089
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, I would say Barto Wes Squar is maybe

1090
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: what jazz Chisholm could be, though I think Chisholm's defense

1091
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: is slightly better. But we'll get off that. Any names

1092
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: you want to touch on, maybe starting pitchers on I

1093
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: know the Marlin droon on short stops, but I have

1094
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: a couple of guys you want to talk about. But

1095
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: anybody on your list that you want to highlight?

1096
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: One more trade candidate on the position player side, who

1097
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: is he is? Really? It's hard to wrap your mind

1098
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: around what to think of him as a player because

1099
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: he's always hurt. But when he's healthy, he is like

1100
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: absolutely nobody else in baseball. It's Byron Buxton of the Twins.

1101
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: He has been murmured about it. I wouldn't say legit rumors

1102
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: about the Marlins going after him, but like theorizing about

1103
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: it coming together. He very publicly did not take a

1104
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: contract axtension from the Twins this past summer that that

1105
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: was something the Twins wanted to get done because he

1106
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: is just one more year of club control before he

1107
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: enters free agency. And he is just such a tough

1108
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: player to value because of his injuries. It's almost like

1109
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: very nobody else really in baseball that performs at such

1110
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: an an elite level when he's available, but just isn't

1111
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: available very often this past office. This past season, he

1112
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: put up a one thousand and five OPS quadruple digit

1113
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: OPS as a center fielder. Just amazing power, amazing speed.

1114
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: He's one of the most efficient base runners that of

1115
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: the generation that's played in He's I think almost inarguably

1116
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: the best defensive center fielder of his generation ever since

1117
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: he came up. That was his calling card in his

1118
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: early days when he was still struggling with the bat,

1119
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: he was already an elite defensive center fielder. He only

1120
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: has been acknowledged with one Gold Glove because he's only

1121
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: had one semi full length season where he's been eligible

1122
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: to win that Gold Glove. You know, for his career

1123
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: numbers are underwhelming because he came up at such a

1124
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: young age and still had a lot to learn and

1125
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: adjust to just a lifetime to ninety nine OBP, which

1126
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: I know will make you shudder a little bit. The

1127
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: fact that anybody would want to focus so much on

1128
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: somebody that as recently as the twenty twenty shortened season

1129
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: put up a two sixty seven OBP. Yeah, throughout his career,

1130
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't draw walks that much, And that's kind of

1131
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: an understatement that during that twenty twenty season he drew

1132
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: two walks in one hundred and thirty five plate appearances.

1133
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was that was possible to be

1134
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: that hyper aggressive. But you know, there have been times

1135
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: where he's been a little bit better in that regard.

1136
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: But it's the power in the speed that ninety fifth

1137
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: percent tile or higher in all the stack cast measurables

1138
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: that his athleticism is off the charts. He is entering

1139
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: his age twenty eight season, and he's in that situation

1140
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: where it's pretty clear that the Twins are not going

1141
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: to be signing him to his next contract, such as

1142
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: the Wilson contraris one. And you would think that I

1143
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: haven't checked Baseball trade values, but I imagine their estimation

1144
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: for him is maybe a little bit higher than it

1145
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: is for contrarasts, but still manageable. Just because he is

1146
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: that close to testing the market, it's a complicated calculus

1147
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: for them in terms of what to do beyond this

1148
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: upcoming year. But I can't think of anybody better to

1149
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: fill the center field void, in particular with how he

1150
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: plays that position. As an added bonus, yes, history with

1151
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: James Rawson. James Rowson was with the Twins organization for

1152
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I don't think it's a coincidence

1153
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: that Buckston turned himself from a decent hitter into a

1154
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: really great one, as Rawson was there as their hitting

1155
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: coach at the time. So in terms of just one

1156
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: extra connection that maybe makes you confident about him sustaining

1157
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: what he's found these last few years. There we go,

1158
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: We have it with Rowson, who is the current Marlins

1159
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: bench coach, and maybe the next manager unsmatingly retires him.

1160
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a distinct possibility. So if you're gonna

1161
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: tether yourself to one particular player, I think he's a

1162
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: guy that that he's worth rolling the dice on.

1163
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you just look at his season

1164
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: sixty one games, jose A. Bray, you won the MVP

1165
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty playing every single game, and Bucks that

1166
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: put up a one to seventy one OPS plus in

1167
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: the sixty one game that he played. If Buckston does

1168
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: that in a pandemic shortened season a three zero, six,

1169
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: three fifty eight six forty seven slash line. The power

1170
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: was always kind of there. I mean, he did had

1171
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: a couple of seasons previously of double digit home run power,

1172
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: but just never to the extent of the propensity at

1173
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: which he's hitting home runs. They coming so frequently. I mean,

1174
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 2: if you look at his one hundred and sixty two

1175
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: game projection over the last three seasons, and you talk

1176
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,959
Speaker 2: about the Andrews one hundred and eighty seven games played

1177
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: over those last three years, but his one hundred and

1178
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: sixty two game have looks like this. Thirty six home runs,

1179
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: ninety one RBIs, twenty two stolen bases, a five seventy

1180
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: five slug an eight ninety seven ops. And then you

1181
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: factor in the defense. Is Kirmyer esque in center field,

1182
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: and you're talking about an MVP candidate. Everyre he's like

1183
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: you put up essentially five war and sixty one games,

1184
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: which is let a little bit more than a third

1185
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: of the season. If you divide that out over one

1186
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two games, that's eleven twelve war over

1187
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: the course of a full year. That's great. That's hypothetically

1188
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: he sustains that production, which, as you know, baseball is

1189
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: a game of streakiness and even the best hitters are

1190
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: gonna go through perience where you're hitting and other times

1191
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: where you look like Stevie want would have bat in

1192
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: your hand. So understood. But you know, like you said,

1193
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: roll the dice. Sure, how much money do you have

1194
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: to give up in free when he eventually becomes a

1195
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: free agent. What do you give up in prospect capital?

1196
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure wherever Buxton goes, it's gonna

1197
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: be a team where he wants to maybe stay long term.

1198
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: He wouldn't feel the need as far as a guy

1199
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: who gets on base a lot, just because he doesn't

1200
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: walk like you know that he's only got thirty four

1201
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 2: walks in the last one hundred and eighty seven games played.

1202
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: And there's another guy that I'll talk about shortly who

1203
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: I think fits the bill. Although he's in a middle

1204
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: infield position. I don't know. He's such an odd player

1205
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: just I mean, I remember hearing apocryphal stories about him

1206
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: being like another Mike Trout in the minor leagues as

1207
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: far as how toolsy he was. And I didn't know

1208
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: he was as elite a defender in center field until

1209
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: that first full season I believe he was in twenty

1210
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: sixteen or twenty seventeen. But ever since then, you know,

1211
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: when he's been on the field, he's just an elite talent.

1212
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: It's just that he needs to be healthy and he

1213
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: hasn't been for a while.

1214
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, it's there's not really much else

1215
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: that you could do to like put in terms of

1216
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: finding a useful comp to what he's going to do

1217
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: from this point forward. It's been such an unusual start

1218
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: to his career, but I think when you look forward,

1219
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: you can note that just coming up through the very

1220
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: beginning of his pro career from the drafts and moving forward,

1221
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: that he had always had this type of upside and

1222
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: potential that it's it's not totally out of nowhere, like

1223
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: this was the vision of the player that he could

1224
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: be when the Twins took him almost a decade ago

1225
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: at this point at the top of the draft. And

1226
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: that makes me, h, he wouldn't be the first guy

1227
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: to like come from that sort of situation and finally

1228
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: put it together at some point later in his career.

1229
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: Then you would actually expect him to from this point.

1230
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: The last few guys I have on here are all uh.

1231
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: I'll turn it over to you and see if we

1232
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: have some overlap here as we go to players in

1233
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: a much different type of situation.

1234
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: I'll say the big white whale that I'm calling him

1235
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: for last. I'll go on progressive order as far as

1236
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: I think you know needs and maybe fit. I'll start

1237
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: with an odd one. I don't know if we were

1238
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: gonna touch on this, and there's chins are there may

1239
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: not be an overlap year, but Carlos Rodan is coming

1240
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: off a very good year, arguably the best year of

1241
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: his career through lesson one and forty innings, but five

1242
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: War two thirty seventy ra he threw the no hitter,

1243
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: the stuff returned, and like Bucks then to a lesser

1244
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: extent because he's been a little bit more durable at

1245
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: his respective position. Injuries have just been a problem. We

1246
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: saw elbow and shoulder sword on this kind of coming

1247
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: later in the season and derail what had been at

1248
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: one point he was a front runner. I think be

1249
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: for lance Land. It would be a cy Young favorite.

1250
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: I saw on Bowden's article when I was reading about it, today.

1251
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: When he was ranking free agency was about middle of

1252
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: a pack as far as where he ranked. But I

1253
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: don't think it's a guy you have to commit long term. Two,

1254
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, Boden Jim Bowden had one year twelve million

1255
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: as a projected contract for Rodin with incentives obviously considering

1256
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: he's healthy and throws you know, a good amount of innings.

1257
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: He could give you ninety good innings in the first

1258
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: half of the season. And if the Marlins you know,

1259
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: continue their clinical trend of not competing, he's valuable with

1260
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: the trade deadline, you know, granted, you may not get

1261
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: what you want as far as you know premium prospect return,

1262
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: but you can get something for him because he'll be

1263
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: back on the open market again next year, you know,

1264
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: and as he stayed alum a great college pitcher, but

1265
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: the stuff returned, you know, we have to also shouldn't

1266
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: forget he was non tendered by the White Sox last year,

1267
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: came back and had the best year of his career.

1268
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: He was an out of way from a URVI a

1269
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: game where I believe he hit those air mirrors with

1270
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: a slider on the foot, you know, a nice little

1271
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: tie in there. But he do he just he was

1272
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: another He's another example almost like Buxton was this year

1273
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: and even last year, that when he's on the mound, he's,

1274
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, at times an elite starting pitcher. Again, I

1275
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: think he's just one of those guys where we give

1276
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: him a proven deal to see that twenty one wasn't

1277
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: a fluke. Can you be healthy? Can the stuff sustain itself?

1278
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: And if we're not competing, you know, we're going to

1279
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: get rid of you, but we're going to get something

1280
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: in return for it and be better off for it.

1281
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: It would bring some closure to longtime Marlins fans who

1282
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: do remember that he was the number three overall pick

1283
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: of the draft in twenty fourteen. Marlins had the number

1284
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: two pick that year, and they didn't go to college

1285
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: or out. They went with Tyler, Kolik and Colick being

1286
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: out of baseball. Just as Rodona's peaking, as he had

1287
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, moderate success early in his career, he was

1288
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: very quick to the majors and moderate success up there

1289
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: as a starter, and but I mean what he did

1290
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: this past year was on a whole other level, of course,

1291
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: highlighted by the no hitter that he threw, and not

1292
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: just like any no hitter like that was one of

1293
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: the more dominant no hitters of a year where there

1294
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: were a whole lot to choose from that he was

1295
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: on another level at times, not just during his career

1296
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: with this stuff kind of going up and down, but

1297
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: even during the season, and probably the reason why Bowden

1298
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: and some others think he may actually sell for a

1299
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: one year deal. I'm not so sure about that, but

1300
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: it was so unusual this year to see him at

1301
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: times touching one hundred miles per hour from the left side.

1302
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: And then there were some starts right after the All

1303
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: Star break where he was in the low nineties and

1304
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: he was hurt, and there were some skepticism about him

1305
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: even being available for the playoffs. It got pretty dark

1306
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: at times even during this one season that it's definitely

1307
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: gotten to a point that even as a Scott Boris

1308
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: client where he'll be pushing for a lot of money.

1309
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I think that makes it even more likely that he

1310
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: may settle for just a one year deal to put

1311
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: any doubts behind him before really setting himself up the

1312
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: following winter he'll be available. I've mentioned before, I do

1313
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: think the Marlins should be looking at one starting pitcher

1314
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: of some kinds, but not really much more than that,

1315
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: And there's so many to choose from, but preferably somebody

1316
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: on a short term deal, and he would be that

1317
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: guy on a short term deal. From that, I did

1318
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: want to at least mention the biggest fish out there

1319
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: in the opinions of most experts, the player that would

1320
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: command likely the very biggest contracts of this entire class.

1321
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: But just because I know you've given some thought to

1322
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: him as somebody that the Marlins should focus on, even

1323
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: as unrealistic as it might be. Carlos Korea coming off

1324
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: a season where he led all major league position players

1325
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: in Baseball Reference War, he did absolutely everything you want

1326
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 1: from a player this past year. It's hard to imagine,

1327
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: you know what factors would somehow make him a potential

1328
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: target for the Marlins, just because the price is going

1329
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: to be absurd, It's going to be even higher than

1330
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: I think people I've ever seen before. I think he

1331
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: is going to be looking at Manny Machado's deal a

1332
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: few years ago at ten years and three hundred million

1333
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: and try to surpass that. But we at Fish Stripes

1334
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: when Machada was available, we did just layout in no

1335
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: uncertain terms that Basically, any big league team can afford

1336
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: one of these players if they really wanted to. You know,

1337
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: they have the revenue that the Marlins especially don't put

1338
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: directly back into baseball operations. But if they really wanted

1339
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: to get that centerpiece of their organization that they really

1340
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: they could. They could if you appeal to the right

1341
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: emotion deep in Bruce Sherman's gut about having one particular

1342
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: player to build around, then that that money is somewhere,

1343
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: that spending ability is deep inside him, something that maybe

1344
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: you make an exception for if the right guy comes along.

1345
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: And just because I know you've mentioned Korea before, just

1346
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: worth acknowledging that, Yep, he's available. He's out there, and

1347
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: if the Marlins find three hundred something million dollars under

1348
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: the couch cushions, then he's he's available, and he's he's

1349
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: going to the highest bidder.

1350
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah he. I mean, ideally he's probably gonna be a

1351
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: Yankee or somebody that is going to be willing to

1352
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: spend that money. I don't think that. I mean, it

1353
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: was so odd Corey Seeger was projected in this art

1354
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: and that about an article I keep referencing to get

1355
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty million over ten years. Well, Correa's

1356
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: deal was the exact deal that Machado got ten at

1357
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: three hundred. I think Correa's defensive ability at shortstop, you know,

1358
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 2: he just want to go glove. This year he led

1359
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: all shortstops and defensive runs saved. And then, like you said,

1360
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: the postseason track record. I don't give a shit about

1361
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: the signs stealing scandal. I understand that a lot of

1362
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: people still may hold that over him, with the now

1363
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: uber un original trash rows thing that gets thrown at

1364
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: the ashtros over and over again. But Korea has a

1365
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: track record that shows you he doesn't need a garbage

1366
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: scan to be able to hit a breaking ball or

1367
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: take ninety six and deposit over the left field wall.

1368
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: He's just, you know, he's not a great base runner,

1369
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: but I think he's I think he's what Manny Machado

1370
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: is with a better postseason track record to show that, Yeah,

1371
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: this guy's gonna get paid, and it's just a matter

1372
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: of how much he's gonna get paid. I read a

1373
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: Bleacher Report piece that came out ranking every possibility where

1374
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna go by every major league team, and the

1375
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: Marlins came in eighteenth on that list. So, like you

1376
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: previously noted, and if you gave me a true sierram

1377
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: I would tell you that it's an all likelihood he's

1378
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: not gonna wind up there. You know. The one caveat

1379
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: I have with that is that Miguel Rojas did say

1380
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: when he signed his extension, you know, I didn't sign

1381
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: necessarily to play every day. And you could argue that Rojas,

1382
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: as we discussed previously, took may have taken less money

1383
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 2: with the intention that, hey like, it's gonna give us

1384
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: more of an opportunity to have the ability to sign

1385
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: some guys. Not that whatever Rojas left on the table

1386
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: is going to be the difference between whether Correa wears

1387
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: an n why on his hat or he wears a

1388
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: Miami Vice looking fish on his hat going into twenty

1389
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: twenty two. But I think that a guy like that

1390
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: is selfless enough to a lot to say, hey like,

1391
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: if we have the opportunity to bring on a guy

1392
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: like this, and he shows a tangible interest to want

1393
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: to come here, then we should do everything possible to

1394
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: ensure that he winds up in Miami. The back. The

1395
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: back is one thing that raises some concern Lula over

1396
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: starting pitching. Look at a guy like Clayton Kershaw as

1397
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 2: elite as he has been for such a long time.

1398
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: I know people familiar with me know that I am

1399
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: not averse talking about my affection for a guy like that.

1400
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: Back injuries are something that can plague player, especially if

1401
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 2: you're playing a premium defensive position like a shortstop. We've

1402
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: seen talk to where Kara may eventually have to move

1403
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: to third base down the road, and he's done that

1404
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: in the World Baseball Classic when he played for Puerto Rico,

1405
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: So he doesn't have a version of doing that like

1406
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: he like you and I have said, he's the big

1407
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: white whale that I think most teams have circled on

1408
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: their board as far as what they want. You could

1409
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: even talk about a guy that Marcus Simeon maybe playing

1410
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: shortstop for you if you want to spend you know,

1411
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: say upwards of one hundred and forty hundred and fifty million,

1412
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't team want to pay that. He's a better alternative

1413
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: to Korea as far as financials are concerned. A least

1414
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: four or five years older, So there is that concern there.

1415
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: But we'll move off Kuran now because obviously I don't

1416
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: think he's gonna wind up. I just think he'd be

1417
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: the perfect example of Miami saying we're gonna spend this

1418
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: offseason and actually going out and doing it. If you

1419
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: want to get more affordable and you want to get

1420
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: back to a guy who just has the reluctance to

1421
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: want to see four balls go past the play without swinging,

1422
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: then you may as well give Javier by his team

1423
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 2: a call. We understand the big Latin presence in Miami,

1424
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: and I would say maybe that's a little bit exaggerated,

1425
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: because if you look across the major leagues, there's a

1426
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: wealth of excellent players from all walks of the Caribbean

1427
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: playing Major League baseball in South America. Javier Bias, though

1428
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: it should be, shouldn't be slept on when he went

1429
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: over to the Mets. Despite the controversy he caused with

1430
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: the booze and everything that kind of went on there,

1431
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: he put up a three seventy one on base percentage

1432
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: in forty nine games as a Met. He forty seven games,

1433
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: my apologies, one forty one ohps plus. The power is there.

1434
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: He's as good a defensive shortstop, if not slightly maybe

1435
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: only slightly below the what Korea is and another guy

1436
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: who can pretty much play every incomposition that you ask

1437
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: him to play. He played a lot of second base

1438
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: with the Mets, but he at heart is an excellent

1439
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: defensive shortstop. Like we said, he's he's not gonna draw

1440
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: or watch twenty eight walks leve the National League of strikeouts,

1441
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: but the powers there, the defense is there. I think

1442
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: he's young enough to where Miami could be competitive, and

1443
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: he's still a productive player. I've noted several times how

1444
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: much I loathe his approach to the plate, but the

1445
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: results show itself. The proof is in the pudding. As

1446
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: they might say, for lack of originality, He's a four

1447
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: and a half win player. He's not Korea, but he's

1448
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: an excellent player regardless. He's got postseason history to show

1449
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 2: for it. Not this year, but in years past with

1450
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 2: the Cubs. Yeah, I mean, Bias may take one hundred

1451
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: and sixty one hundred and eighty million. I think he

1452
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: recoups some value after a horrendous twenty twenty. But you know,

1453
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: give me your take on how he or Bias and

1454
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, maybe some other guys that can maybe fill

1455
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: in middle infield board.

1456
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: For US I don't know what you do with his

1457
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: Mets tenure, because he was uncharacteristically able to draw those walks,

1458
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: which is the one almost defining quality of his offensive

1459
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: game throughout his career is that he doesn't take pitches.

1460
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: That he doesn't do that at all. He of course,

1461
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: he knew that this was going to be his pending

1462
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: forree aging year, and maybe that was a particular focus

1463
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: of his to show that he was capable of doing

1464
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: that at times earlier this same season with the Cubs,

1465
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, he got off to that slow start,

1466
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of smart people that I

1467
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,959
Speaker 1: keep tabs on in the baseball community who were insisting

1468
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: that this was the beginning of the end, that he

1469
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: was a player that had been in the league long

1470
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: enough that the league had figured him out, his stubbornness

1471
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: to adjust the way that he was being pitched would

1472
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: doom him, and that he would not age well. And

1473
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: that narrative it completely flipped by the time we got

1474
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: to the end of the Earth yet to such a

1475
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: point that that though it's almost considered a foregone conclusion

1476
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: that he's going to get a very long term deal

1477
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: from somebody, perhaps even the Mets just based on how

1478
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: well he played down the stretch. One of the many

1479
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: stats that I love about him is that even this year,

1480
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: he put all together and it wasn't just the strikeouts,

1481
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 1: but he got to those strikeouts by swinging and missing

1482
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: at a rate that nobody does. If you look at

1483
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: just the qualifiers in baseball, twenty one point seven percent

1484
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: swinging strike rate, and the difference between him and number

1485
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: two in swinging strike rate is the same as a

1486
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: gap between number two and number eleven. He is, by

1487
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: a mile a guy that when people with as much

1488
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: as he do he does, they don't play enough to

1489
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: qualify because they're bad. He is a total He breaks

1490
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: every mold that we try to put the modern baseball

1491
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: player in, and that's what makes him very delightful. In

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01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: addition to all the intangibles, the way that he plays defense,

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: the way that he runs the bases. One of the

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: most iconic plays of this entire baseball season was when

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: he was caught between first base and home plate and

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 1: he turned it into a two base error and scored

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 1: a run. It was something that we just hadn't seen before.

1498
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: And he's good for one or two of those every

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: single year doing a play in like a particular way

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01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: that you haven't seen before. By virtue being traded during

1501
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: the season, doesn't have the qualifying offer attached to him.

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01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: That is a bonus for the Marlins who love to

1503
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: hoard their draft picks and are concerned about that. He

1504
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: was one that I had written down another one of

1505
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: our overlaps for sure, because he is I think even

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01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: in the most optimistic scenario for his camp, he's probably

1507
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: going to be half the guaranteed money as Korea. I

1508
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: think he is in that range where depending on how

1509
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: the market develops around him and what these other shortstops

1510
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: go for. There are so many potential shortstops available to

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01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: this offseason that it feels like one of them is

1512
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: going to end up settling for less than you would

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01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: ordinarily project them for. And maybe it's by it is

1514
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,440
Speaker 1: just because he has this very unique approach that intrigues

1515
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: some teams and probably scares some other teams completely shitless.

1516
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly where the Marlins fault on

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01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: that spectrum.

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we even saw it too with Jazz Chism.

1519
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 2: You know, if you saw how much better Bias was

1520
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 2: offensively when he was reunited with his well baseball classic

1521
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: buddy and fellow countryman Francisco Lindor, New York. Even though

1522
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: the met's faltered. The opposite could maybe be the case

1523
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 2: for a guy like Jazz Chism, who he said doesn't

1524
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 2: walk enough. And maybe if there's one of the things

1525
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: that he needs to work on, it's that. I believe

1526
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 2: they we're pretty close and walked. I believe Chisholm will

1527
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: walk less than thirty five times in twenty two one.

1528
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: Bias twenty eight times was previously noted. And you know,

1529
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: if we're expecting bigger things from a guy like Chisholm,

1530
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: if you're bringing on a guy like Bias, and I

1531
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: will say that baseball players and most people are creatures nature,

1532
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: and if you're picking up on what other guy's tendencies are,

1533
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't help to have a guy like Bias there.

1534
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: But that being said, he just does a lot more

1535
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 2: to offset it. You know, it's like Bugston to an extent,

1536
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 2: where the defense is great at you know, you can

1537
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: put him at third base or second base or shortstop

1538
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 2: and he's probably gonna play above every defense at all

1539
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: those spots, and then you balance that with the prodigious

1540
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: power that he has, because you know, he's almost like

1541
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 2: another Dave Kingman, where you know, just touch the ball

1542
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: and chances are it's gonna either go in the gap

1543
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: or it's going to be a home run. I mean,

1544
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: he's got that kind of power. But he has a

1545
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: stubbornness about him when it comes to just swinging at

1546
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: everything that makes him at times one of the most

1547
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: annoying players to watch. He's almost a guy, you know,

1548
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 2: I equate him sometimes to Hovier by the bipolarity of

1549
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: Hovier bias is like watching him swing and miss out

1550
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: a slider twelve feet of the strike center of being

1551
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: and saying, Jesus Christ, mute the TV, turn off baseball,

1552
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 2: and go do something else. Or he'll make a play

1553
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: on the base passer defensively like he did to poor

1554
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 2: Will Craig and Pittsburgh, where you're just like, oh my God,

1555
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: Like this guy's so fascinating. I want to watch and

1556
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: see everything that he does. But it's just that dichotomy

1557
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: that exists with him as a player that makes him

1558
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 2: such an odd case. But it's just like the question

1559
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 2: that you have to ask yourself as a front office

1560
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 2: if you're gonna commit five or six years to him?

1561
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: Is does the good outweigh the overwhelmingly bad at times?

1562
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: And I sure one team will pose that question and

1563
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: come to a decision this offseason, because he's not going

1564
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 2: to go without a team just because he's a name,

1565
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: and he's one of the most marketable players in the

1566
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 2: sport because of the good that he can do at times.

1567
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: Well, he exhausts my personal list, So anybody you still

1568
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: have left that you want to cover will tackle him

1569
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: right now.

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01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: No, that's everybody. I mean, He's definitely an interesting guy

1571
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: to end on. I mean, and how poetic is it

1572
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: to end this podcast with a guy that can, of

1573
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: times frustrate you the way this organization is frustrated fans

1574
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: for a better part of three decades.

1575
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, aisle five of our off season shopping, I

1576
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: think overall we've touched on more than sixty players. I'll

1577
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: have to do a headcount once we get finished with this.

1578
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: And the timing worked out pretty well where free agency

1579
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: officially got underway a few days ago, and all these

1580
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: these big guys, with a few exceptions at the very

1581
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: beginning of the series, which was almost a month ago

1582
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: at this point, are they're still on the board, They're

1583
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: still out there, and fortunately and unfortunately, we might have

1584
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time to marinate on this if that

1585
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: potential work stoppage hits about three weeks from now. A

1586
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: reminder again that all these episodes are up on the

1587
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: Speed You can find them also on fish stripes dot

1588
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: com slash podcast. Just listen back to all our takes

1589
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,839
Speaker 1: on these individual players, and as always, be sure to

1590
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: leave us any any lines have players that we may

1591
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: have skipped over. I include a link to all the

1592
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: players that fit in particular aisles, so you could browse

1593
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: the entire list for yourself. If we skipped over somebody

1594
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: that you think makes a lot of sense for the Marlins,

1595
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: just hit us up and explain why you think that

1596
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: should be a big focus of theirs or the offseason.

1597
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: But still a whole lot of content coming on fish

1598
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: Shripes finishing up the twenty twenty Marlin season review series,

1599
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: and there will still be a whole lot of podcasts

1600
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: going on the Again, all this the cloud is hanging

1601
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: over us with the potential workstoppage, We'll have to get

1602
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: creative with how we're covering this team. If there's literally

1603
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: nothing going on eventually, whether it's in November, December, January, February, March, eventually,

1604
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: the Marlins know that they have to take some steps

1605
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: to improve the team at the major league level. They're

1606
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: going to do something, and it's going to be a

1607
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: wild ride about who they're interested in, why they're interested

1608
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: in them, and then ultimately what it's going to cost

1609
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: them in terms of money and prospects to get that

1610
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: deal done. I'm eli susfan. That's been Lewis Addio White Us.

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01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: Thank you guys always for the support. Subscribe to the

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01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: pod if you don't ready, rate and review if you

1613
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: haven't a ready. We appreciate all of that and so

1614
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: much more to come this off season. Here on Fish

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:24,440
Speaker 1: Strikes as always, Go Fish, Go Fish.