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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 1: A cult specialist. Sal Santoro back with us, a co

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Speaker 1: owner of the Crooked Path. Now that's a leading traditional

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Speaker 1: witchcraft store in the Los Angeles areas. Sal's thirty five

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Speaker 1: plus years experience in all things magic has led him

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Speaker 1: to become one of the go to sources for demystifying

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Speaker 1: the misunderstood craft. Sal continues to strive to make the

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Speaker 1: occult accessible and inclusive to all of those who seek

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Speaker 1: it out. Sal sentaorro back on Coast to Coast, Hey, Sal,

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Speaker 1: have you been all rich? How you been? Sorry? Good

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Speaker 1: to hear from you. You too, my friend? What's new

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Speaker 1: with you? What's new? So much is new? Something's going on,

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Speaker 1: you know, things, moving on, times, moving on, the stores

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Speaker 1: doing really good. Actually it was kind of neat because

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Speaker 1: Patty Negri was just on your show not too long ago,

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Speaker 1: that's right, And I was like, oh, Tema said I, So,

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Speaker 1: I love her. She's like my sister. She's a very

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Speaker 1: very good person, great, great person. How did you get

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Speaker 1: into this? I get into the occult? I mean it

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Speaker 1: started in New England and well, I mean I graduated

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Speaker 1: high school in eighty two, so it probably started around

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Speaker 1: seventy nine. And you know, it was me and my

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Speaker 1: on it, you know. I mean we're in New England

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Speaker 1: and there really wasn't much out there then. And I

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Speaker 1: got my first witchcraft book, which was Mastering Witchcraft by

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Speaker 1: Paul Howson, who is still with us today. He's about

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Speaker 1: eighty years old now. It was just a really great

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Speaker 1: starter book and that put me on the path. And

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Speaker 1: from there I started reading Crowley and just kept moving

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Speaker 1: on through. When I got to California, I found my

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Speaker 1: first cousin, and long Beach at Ias a cat. Thank god,

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Speaker 1: you're warning Salem, Massachusetts trying you know still, you know still,

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Speaker 1: I was just talking to somebody, one of my students

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Speaker 1: about that actually earlier today. You know, when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid in New England, it wasn't like Witchcraft row there.

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Speaker 1: You never, it wasn't like that. You know. It became

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Speaker 1: very trendy in the last fifteen years, right where all

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Speaker 1: those stories just lined the streets. But it was not

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Speaker 1: like that at all. His tourism'm pretty big in Salem.

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Speaker 1: I well, now, yes, but New England. I mean, of

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Speaker 1: course you've got to you go to the House of

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Speaker 1: You know. But that was what it was about. And

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Speaker 1: then of course, you know, we had the one Lori

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Speaker 1: going on, and she held that for years and she

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Speaker 1: did really good with it, you know. So that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: And since we last spoke, which I can't believe it

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Speaker 1: was already two years ago. Yes, COVID, wasn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're right in the middle of it. Actually, you're right,

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Speaker 1: it was in the middle of the beginning of it,

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Speaker 1: right right. So you've been doing a lot of things

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Speaker 1: since I have, I mean a lot's been A lot's

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Speaker 1: been going on. I've I've further developed the coven that

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Speaker 1: I think I've taught my ten weeks to witchcraft. I've

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Speaker 1: taught about We're thinking about five hundred people at this point.

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Speaker 1: Pretty somewhere in there. Um, people love the course. And

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Speaker 1: actually I just had class tonight and those this present

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so we've been teaching, Um, going to Greece,

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Speaker 1: and enjoying crete because it's like my favorite place in

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Speaker 1: the world. Um. This year started out weird. Um, my

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Speaker 1: it was really weird. She was ninety six years old.

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Speaker 1: never ready to lose your mom. No, it was hard.

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Speaker 1: But this past weekend I flew to Florida and I

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Speaker 1: celebrated my father's one hundredth birthday. Oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: my time. I'm done, And he walked away. There was

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Speaker 1: a Greece goddess by the name of was it the

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Speaker 1: Hecate God? Yeah, for sure, Sam, How did you unravel her? Well?

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Speaker 1: Et um? You know, I'd always known about her. She

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Speaker 1: like Medusa. Yeah, well Medusa as a Gorgon, which would

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Speaker 1: It was always just told me excale planetary magic. And

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Speaker 1: in southern California. And your wife scree, isn't she Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's very much a Greek woman. Yes, yeah, Greek Canadian

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Speaker 1: And after that, I, you know, it started becoming a

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Speaker 1: one of those proto deities, you know that's just older

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Speaker 1: blood now. But you know, when Zeus saw what she did,

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Speaker 1: actually because she is all three of the realms of

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare got ahold of her, he turned her into this aspect.

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Speaker 1: Would you say so that the interest in the occult

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's well, you know, it's it's kind of like,

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Speaker 1: And I say magic was a kay as in causing

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Speaker 1: That's right, you know, most curses though, we know, you know,

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Speaker 1: which would be salon would be Halloween, and the beltane

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