WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Starcrash

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 3>today we're going to be talking about the nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 3>eight space fantasy film Star Crash, directed by Luigi Kotzy,

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<v Speaker 3>starring Carolyn Monroe, David Hasselhoff, Marjo Gortner, Christopher Plummer, and

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Spinell. What a cast list really like an all

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<v Speaker 3>star bill of different flavors of seventy screen personalities. You've

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<v Speaker 3>got alumni of the Sound of Music, The Young and

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<v Speaker 3>the Restless and The Godfather, and you've got hammer horror

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<v Speaker 3>queens and tent revival maniacs all in the same movie.

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<v Speaker 3>That is an assemblage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some great representation from Italian schlock cinema here

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and some exploitation cinema. So it really is

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<v Speaker 2>like a sediment of seventies motion pictures where you can

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like dig down and find little gritty bits

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<v Speaker 2>of this and that.

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason we're covering Star Crash on Star Wars

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<v Speaker 3>Week here is that despite the protestations of some of

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<v Speaker 3>the film's creators. This is widely viewed as one of

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<v Speaker 3>the Star Wars knockoffs of the late seventies and early eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>There were many of these. At the very least, this

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<v Speaker 3>is thought of as an attempt to cash in on

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<v Speaker 3>the revolutionary box office success of the original Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 3>which came out one year before this was seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars was seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we should be clear here for anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's new to weird House cinema when we talk about knockoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've ever discussed a film for weird

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<v Speaker 2>House Cinema that was, in some ways a knockoff that

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<v Speaker 2>also didn't bring its own beauty and its own vision

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<v Speaker 2>to the screen. So we say it with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more love than maybe some critics might say it.

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<v Speaker 3>I will make the case that Star Crash is possibly

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest of the Star Wars knockoffs, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>sampled a lot of them. We watched Message from Space.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember that one, the Humanoid. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>one that had Richard Keel in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just re ran that one on Monday for

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<v Speaker 2>newer viewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Roger Corman's Battle Beyond the Stars with Zibil Danning and

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<v Speaker 3>a whole Yeah, that was a whole thing, And they

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<v Speaker 3>all have their pleasures. I have enjoyed every one of

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<v Speaker 3>those in its own way. I recall Message from Space

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<v Speaker 3>in particular being a lot of fun. But I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that any other one of these achieves the luscious,

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<v Speaker 3>insane weirdness of Star Crash. Star Crash, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>is in a class of its own.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. It's such a it's such a strange

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<v Speaker 2>film to watch it. It's so bad and yet so irresistible.

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<v Speaker 2>Like well, basically I was trying to think of a

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<v Speaker 2>good elevator pitch for it, and the best good come

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<v Speaker 2>up with is Star Wars on Acid, but in the

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<v Speaker 2>bad way. Like there's there's something kind of delirious and

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming about everything about it, from its from its visuals

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<v Speaker 2>to its just insane dialogue. Like I was having to

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<v Speaker 2>like text you while I was rewatching it, because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>how is it that every line in the film is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow like the worst line in the entire film and

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<v Speaker 2>also at the same time, of course the greatest. It's

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of these films where it feels like all

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<v Speaker 2>of the dialogue was just created by by alien beings

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>This film has one particular dialogue exchange that I think

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<v Speaker 3>about all the time. It comes into my brain at

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<v Speaker 3>least once a week. It's the scene where the character

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<v Speaker 3>Thor is shooting at Marjo Gordoner with his ray gun

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<v Speaker 3>and they raise or not you know, harming him, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, what, no one can survive these deadly rays,

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<v Speaker 3>and Marjo replies, these deadly rays will be your death. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I couldn't write something like that if I.

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<v Speaker 2>Tried, absolutely uh, And then the visuals more than than

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<v Speaker 2>match it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to look it up in the Psychotronic Film Guide,

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<v Speaker 2>and in it, Michael Weldon describes the film's effects as

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<v Speaker 2>quote garishly attractive, especially to young people and people under

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of controlled substances. And it really does have

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<v Speaker 2>that vibe. It's just I mean, at times, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>very overt like space in this film is like a

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<v Speaker 2>lava lamp. It is it is colorful, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's we're getting every every flavor of the

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<v Speaker 2>nebula here a very spell jammer in its sense of

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmos, not the not just the dark, unforgiving void.

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<v Speaker 3>What all dressed potato chips are to flavor, this movie

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<v Speaker 3>is to visual texture. It is a bombardment of color

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<v Speaker 3>and texture and just all kinds of visual weirdness on

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<v Speaker 3>the eyes. It is not the most visually artful thing

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen, but it's not gonna leave your eyes hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're not gonna go away being like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if I saw anything all that interesting. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a it is an assault on the eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Weldon also pointed out that this is a film where,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly for the time, they tried every sort of special

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<v Speaker 2>effect and the results range, I think he said, from

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<v Speaker 2>from bad to almost good. But there is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a charming aspect of it as well. You love,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something about a film that, yeah, it's it's making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of swings and it's also making it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of misses involved here, But there's there. There's some

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<v Speaker 2>lovingly cheesy effects in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some pretty nasty looking video effects that they

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<v Speaker 3>use for the hyperspace sequence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that's an assault on the eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly. But you know one that I really loved.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I'm just a sucker for stop motion anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>But the stop motion robots, the two Golams that look

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<v Speaker 3>like ducks.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually they look like B one Battle droids. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was that there are several ways that this film

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<v Speaker 2>kind of prophesizes future Star Wars, actual Star Wars installments,

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<v Speaker 2>and one way is that these two battle droid these

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<v Speaker 2>two robots look kind of like B one Battle droids

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<v Speaker 2>from from the the prequel films.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not droids robed, they're golams. Golams, that's what they've called. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>As for the originality debate, I mentioned that some of

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<v Speaker 3>the film's creators have insisted that this is not a

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars ripoff. One example is the director of the film,

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<v Speaker 3>Luigi Kotsi. He has said this is not a Star

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<v Speaker 3>Wars clone. The idea and story concept for Starcrash predates

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<v Speaker 3>the release of Star Wars. I can believe there may

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<v Speaker 3>be some truth to this, but based on everything I've read,

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<v Speaker 3>here's my best guess. It seems to me like Cotzy

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<v Speaker 3>may have been wanting to develop a space fantasy or

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<v Speaker 3>space opera movie before the release of Star Wars, and

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<v Speaker 3>some of those ideas end up becoming Star Crash. But

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time, you just cannot deny that Star

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<v Speaker 3>Wars influence the ultimate form and execution of this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this movie has lightsabers in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, most Star Wars stars shy away from that,

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<v Speaker 2>but this one just straight up as a lightsaber.

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<v Speaker 3>So some Star Wars is coming through. The signal is

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<v Speaker 3>coming through here. Also, I think it would be hard

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<v Speaker 3>to deny that the project's ability to receive funding and

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<v Speaker 3>accelerated production timeline was driven by the success of Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can believe that this movie pre dated Star

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<v Speaker 3>Wars in its inspiration, and in fact, you can see

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<v Speaker 3>ways that that might even that might even not go

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<v Speaker 3>to originality, like you can see ways that earlier movies

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<v Speaker 3>than Star Wars also influenced Star Crash. I think a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of Star CRUSH's DNA can be sourced to Barbarella

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<v Speaker 3>starring Jane Fonda, which came out in nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the business logic of this production and

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<v Speaker 3>the final texture of the movie are quite obviously heavily

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<v Speaker 3>influenced by Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think it's undeniable. But at the same time, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the filmmakers here were likely inspired by some of the

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<v Speaker 2>same things that inspired George Lucas.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but old cereals Yeah, old.

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<v Speaker 2>Cereals, old Flash Gordon, old Harry Housen films. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, the bottom line is,

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<v Speaker 2>like Star Wars, the original picture is just was too

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<v Speaker 2>much of a financial hit and too much of a

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<v Speaker 2>like a cultural phenomenon not to influence everything that came

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<v Speaker 2>after and make it even a desirable influence. Like how

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<v Speaker 2>many people had an idea and then they realized, Hey, producers,

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<v Speaker 2>they know what's up. They have a feeling. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to sell. If I just lean into the

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<v Speaker 2>Star warsiness of this concept I already had, I just

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<v Speaker 2>might get this picture made.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, one big way I would say this

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<v Speaker 3>movie differs from Star Wars esthetically is it does not

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<v Speaker 3>have that core feeling of space being lived in that

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars does. You know? This movie does not have

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<v Speaker 3>the grimy old couch cushions on the Millennium falcon. This

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<v Speaker 3>is much more like the pristine Flash Gordon space environment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're going for something shinier, even when it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of strains the budget to make it. So, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were wondering at this point, where can I

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<v Speaker 2>watch Star Crash? Luckily for you, it is widely available.

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Corman's New World Pictures picked this film up and

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<v Speaker 2>distributed it. As I understand it, this was the same

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<v Speaker 2>year they distributed Cronenberg's The Brewed by the Way. Shout

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<v Speaker 2>Factory put out a nice blu ray of the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they may have put it there's I

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<v Speaker 2>think likely a DVD version of that as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're an MST three K fan, this was riffed

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<v Speaker 2>in I believe twenty seventeen by Jonah in the Bots.

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<v Speaker 3>I've not seen the riff but I do have the

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<v Speaker 3>two disc DVD edition, so the older version of the

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<v Speaker 3>disc that's got all the special features.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the time that i'd watched this previously, I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it with my wife. We watched the MST three

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<v Speaker 2>K version, and I remembered it being a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, but I was watching it in a

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<v Speaker 2>social scenario and it was riff so I really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to focus in on the authentic weirdness of Star Crash.

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<v Speaker 2>So this time, yeah, I watched it straight up and

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, it's still, this is a film. I love

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<v Speaker 2>a great riff on a film like this, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is a film that doesn't even need riffing. It is

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<v Speaker 2>just the quality is already perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>I think some of the space battle scenes could benefit

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<v Speaker 3>from some some enlivening by by commentary. Those kind of

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<v Speaker 3>dragged on for me a bit. But yeah, any scene,

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<v Speaker 3>any scene with dialogue and costumes, I don't need anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, let's talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 2>folks involved here. We already mentioned Luigi Cootzi, the writer

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<v Speaker 2>and director born nineteen forty seven, Italian director, probably best

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<v Speaker 2>known for this film, his two Hercules films, one of

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<v Speaker 2>which we covered on Weird House Cinema recently. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be Luf Forigno as the Hulk, and also for his

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<v Speaker 2>work with Dario Argento.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. I was going to compare this film's lighting

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<v Speaker 3>and color palette to Argento.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there you go. I mean there's aception. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. It's tough though, I think in large

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<v Speaker 2>part like this is just not the sort of cinematic

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<v Speaker 2>world that Argento ever went after. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he ever did anything. He certainly never did a

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<v Speaker 2>space opera. Missed opportunity there, but hey, maybe there's time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just mean the you know, the unrealistic but

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<v Speaker 3>a stylish use of gel lights and the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>rooms and walls that glow with an overwhelming color hue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But I think where it becomes harder for me

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<v Speaker 2>to see that is just because the sorts of things

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<v Speaker 2>that are being lit here, Like everything is so artificial

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie, and Argento was always lighting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Argento use sets, but always lighting something that

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<v Speaker 2>at least aspired to be a real world environment, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, lighting an airport that way or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, Cosey's first film was a nineteen sixty nine

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<v Speaker 2>low budget adaptation of Frederick Pohle's novella of a Tunnel

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<v Speaker 2>under the World. This apparently got Argento's attention, and he

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<v Speaker 2>subsequently worked subsequently worked on Argento's nineteen seventy one film

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<v Speaker 2>Four Flies on Gray Velvet, earned a story credit, and

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<v Speaker 2>he also worked on Argento's nineteen seventy three action comedy

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<v Speaker 2>The Five Days, and he directed his own Ghallo film

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<v Speaker 2>with nineteen seventy fives The Killer Must Kill Again. Great

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<v Speaker 2>Shalla tie.

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<v Speaker 4>Now remember if I've seen that one Not only did

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<v Speaker 4>he direct today's epic Star Wars Star Wars cash In,

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<v Speaker 4>he also helmed the notorious nineteen eighty alien cash In Contamination.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen part of that one and then I started

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<v Speaker 2>falling asleep, But I do want to pick it up

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes again.

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<v Speaker 3>I've read that it has some really good exploding people

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<v Speaker 3>in it. And there is one scene from this movie

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<v Speaker 3>that is sampled in a very a way that I

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<v Speaker 3>liked a lot in a Blood Incantation album.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yes, oh yes, yes, I think I've heard that,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, let's see. Other than that, he also worked

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<v Speaker 2>in various roles on other Argento projects, and was second

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<v Speaker 2>assistant director on the notorious Klaskinsky Nosferatu sequel Vampire in Venice.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty notorious because it was one of these projects where

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<v Speaker 2>everybody hated making it and nothing came out as it

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>But laus Kinsky movie that people didn't have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well I don't think anyone ever really had. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get too much on m Kinski since

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<v Speaker 2>he's not even in this film, but yeah, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty high up there in horror stories about about

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<v Speaker 2>filming with him. But yeah, he had a hand in

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. All right, let's get into the cast here,

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<v Speaker 2>that that wonderful nineteen seventies cast that we alluded to earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with Marjo Gordoner, who plays Acton. He has our

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what Acton's last name is. I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I was watching maybe it's Jackson, maybe he's acting

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson or something.

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<v Speaker 3>But very nice. It is funny that this is He's

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<v Speaker 3>not the main character. He's not, but he gets top billing.

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<v Speaker 2>But his name first, yeahs, as we're about to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just he was. He was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>hot commodity at this point. So he was born in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty four and just as a truly fascinating individual,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly as far as like pop cultural figures go, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was born into the world of Pinnecock hostile evangelism

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<v Speaker 2>and began preaching at the age of four.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so a child prodigy, tent revival preacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I've never seen anything like this in action

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<v Speaker 2>and live or on video, so like, I can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if I'm listening to a preacher, I

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody with a little bit of world, real world experience,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's kind of like a stand up comedian,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you want to connect with the with the like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's a four year old going to say that really

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<v Speaker 2>connects with an adult audience member. But I mean, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they found a way because there are other

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<v Speaker 2>examples of this sort of thing as well. Yes, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was, Yeah, he was a sensation, a child prodigy,

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<v Speaker 2>a faith healer at least later on. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if he was actually faith healing at age four. But

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually he grows disillusion with the whole scene, and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly by age sixteen, decides that he's thinking about getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. And then he famously allowed a film

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<v Speaker 2>crew to follow him around during his final year in evangelism,

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<v Speaker 2>leading to the Oscar winning documentary Marjo in nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've actually had listeners right in. I think back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty, we had a listener right in about

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<v Speaker 2>this saying, hey, you've got to watch you got to

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<v Speaker 2>check out this documentary. I've never seen it, but we

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<v Speaker 2>heard from a listener by the name of Forrest who

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<v Speaker 2>said that it's incredible and that it's you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets into a lot of these elements of like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>manipulation and so forth, like it's it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>really good. I've not seen it myself.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, here's how we scam people out of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where we get yeah, yeah, real really reveals the

0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.680
<v Speaker 2>inner workings of the operation. Yeah. So after this he

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<v Speaker 2>springboarded from evangelism and then you know, certainly the theme

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<v Speaker 2>that came with this documentary, and he gets into music,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets into acting. He did some TV work starting

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy three, and appeared in his first theatrical film,

0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Earthquake in seventy four Let's See and then subsequent credits

0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.480
<v Speaker 2>include some starring vehicles and certainly he's the top build

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<v Speaker 2>on this picture. But his starring vehicles include bert Eye

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon's The Food of the Gods in seventy six.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been wanting to watch that.

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<v Speaker 2>Always up for Bertie Gordon, and his post Star Crash

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<v Speaker 2>credits include eighty three's Mausoleum, eighty four's Jungle Warriors, eighty

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.160
<v Speaker 2>five's Hell Hole, and eighty nine's American Ninja. Three.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that one have the guy from Empire of the

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<v Speaker 3>Dark in it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does. It certainly does I was noting that

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<v Speaker 2>his last two films are also notable in different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>On one level, ninety five's Wild Bill seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>classy way to go out because he has a role

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<v Speaker 2>as a preacher in that in a very stacked cast

0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>that includes Jeff Bridges as wild Bill Hiccock. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. Maybe it's not any good, but on paper

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.639
<v Speaker 2>it sounds really good. And then he's in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine's The Debtors. This is a film directed by Evy Quaid,

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<v Speaker 2>co starring or starring Randy Quaid, also also udo Kira

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<v Speaker 2>is in it, and it's and then the top build

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.000
<v Speaker 2>actor in it is Michael Caine, and then the casting

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<v Speaker 2>is gets weirder from there. There's some other notable mentions.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently this one was not released for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's still kind of hard to get.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm intrigued.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a film that I had to double check

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times to make sure it was real,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, am I being a Is this a scam?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this somebody's joke? The student really exists? This sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a joke, but no, it is apparently quite real.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be funny to make that up. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh man, I was gonna say, I'm always intrigued by

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<v Speaker 3>the presence of Udo Kier, which is funny because I

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be intrigued because he would do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, He's definitely one of those actors that isn't

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter what the quality of the film is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he's going to show up and he's gonna be Mimoss.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, be in your movie. So I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of interesting knowing all this stuff about Marjo

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<v Speaker 3>Gordoner having a I don't know, this incredible history and

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<v Speaker 3>being this skilled preacher also sort of a con artist

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<v Speaker 3>manipulator at least in his early years, and then going

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<v Speaker 3>through this, you know, like exposing at how everything works

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<v Speaker 3>and all that, because I would have expected his screen

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<v Speaker 3>presence to be more interesting and commanding and all that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Like I feel like I really owe it to

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<v Speaker 2>him to see another Marjoe film to glimpse this much

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.399
<v Speaker 2>touted charisma, because he's just stiff as a board in

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<v Speaker 2>this picture, like just lifeless, Like, where where is this

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.240
<v Speaker 2>natural charisma I'm supposed to see here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one way in which I could make the connection

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<v Speaker 3>to the life story is if you know what I

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<v Speaker 3>mean here, he often doesn't feel like he's playing a character.

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<v Speaker 3>He feels more like he is saying his lines in

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<v Speaker 3>the way an announcer or a master of ceremonies would say.

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 3>He feels like a presenter type performer rather than a

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<v Speaker 3>player of a character. Does that make any sense?

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And you know, I think that goes for just

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<v Speaker 2>about everyone in the picture. Like pretty much every scene

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in Star Crash, you could interpret it not as drama,

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<v Speaker 2>not as narrative, but his ritual, some sort of ritual

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 2>that must be carried out in order to bring about

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of event in this world or the next.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, They're not playing characters, They're reciting a liturgy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is how it feels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, So even though he gets top billing, the

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<v Speaker 3>real main character of this movie is obviously still a

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<v Speaker 3>star played by Caroline Monroe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. She is the structural protagonist as much as

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<v Speaker 2>you can say anything has structure in this film.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Born nineteen forty nine, pin up model an actress who

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<v Speaker 2>stole many of seventy's film nerds. Hearts with the genre

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 2>appearances and the likes of The Spy Who Loved Me

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, Maniac in nineteen eighty which we'll come back to,

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Slaughter High in eighty six. She's in Dracula eighty nineteen

0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:22.320
<v Speaker 2>seventy two, The Golden Voyage of Sinbad seventy three, Captain

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Cronos Vampire Hunter seventy four, At the Earth's Core seventy six.

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<v Speaker 2>She also coming back to other films we've discussed in

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<v Speaker 2>the show before. She has a cameo as the dearly

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<v Speaker 2>departed wife of Doctor Fibes, and seventy one's The Abominable

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Fibes, And I think we may sneak a peek

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<v Speaker 2>at a snapshot of her in the sequel as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Her horror credits also include, in addition to The Slasher

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Maniac nineteen eighty eights, The Howl of the Devil starring

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Nashy. So she's just all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've talked about How of the Devil on the

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<v Speaker 3>show before, haven't We didn't do an episode on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's come up just in reciting the list of the

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<v Speaker 2>different Paul nashi Werewolf films.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that one's a little sleazier than I would

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<v Speaker 3>have fun doing on the show, but it is I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. If you've got a strong stomach, it's worth

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<v Speaker 3>a watch, especially because it's one of these movies where

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<v Speaker 3>you can feel different creative forces coming to a head.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like clashing. Obviously, the pitch for this movie is

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<v Speaker 3>it is a sleazy slasher movie. That's the business pitch.

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 3>But then Paul Nashi is helming it and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do a movie where I get to

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<v Speaker 3>play all of the universal monsters. Oh yes, yes, So

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 3>he plays a character who is dead but was an

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<v Speaker 3>actor and appears to a member of his family in

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<v Speaker 3>the form of all the universal monsters in all of

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<v Speaker 3>his appearances, just for no particular reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds like classic Nashi there where it's the

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Spanish horror world is moving on beyond the gothic horror film,

0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>but he's forcing its hand. It's like, we can get

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<v Speaker 2>just a little more monster mash out of all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see worth noting here that Monroe was married to

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>musician Judd Hamilton at the time, and it is Judd

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton that is apparently in the suit playing the law

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>enforcement robot l not his voice, but he is in

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.879
<v Speaker 2>the suit. We should also mention that this is one

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of those films. This is often the case with European

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 2>genre films from this time period. Everybody's dubbed. Some of

0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the American or English speaking actors did their own dubbing,

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 2>but some did not. And supposedly Candy Clark does the

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<v Speaker 2>dubbing here for Monroe's character.

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<v Speaker 3>That is bizarre. I came across that same claim, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just thinking, doesn't sound like Candy Clark to me,

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. That's what I read.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so yea, that's what folks say. And as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I understand it, I think it had to

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.159
<v Speaker 2>do with scheduling more than anything. Like it was a

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 2>situation where they just couldn't necessarily get everybody to dub

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>their own lines. All right, well, let's talk about Christopher

0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.679
<v Speaker 2>Plumber here. He plays the emperor, but not that emperor.

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Even this is a rather different emperor. This is not Palpatine.

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 2>This is a this is a good guy emperor. This

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 2>is more of like a Holy Jesus Emperor, Holy Space

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Emperor.

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.160
<v Speaker 3>This is a Star Wars where the empire is good

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 3>and the rebels are bad.

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>It is, really it really is. But yes, this is

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 2>This is Christopher Plumber, who lived nineteen twenty nine through

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:28.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. Yeah, Oscar Winner reportedly only took this

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>role in order to get a free trip to Rome.

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what he said in subsequent interviews.

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.400
<v Speaker 3>But he said he said, I would do Porno if

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 3>I got to go to Rome to do it. Yeah,

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 3>I just loved Rome.

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not to be clearly, Also, he also was paid

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<v Speaker 2>for this picture. It wasn't just the trip to Rome.

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>And also, I'll say over the decades, decades and decades

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<v Speaker 2>of work, he was very prolific. He did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different sorts of films, good and bad, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he always got a trip to Rome out

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<v Speaker 2>of the bad ones. So he might have been having

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>a fair amount of fun with that statement as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first time I think we've covered a

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Plumber film, but we have covered films featuring his daughter,

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Amanda Plumber before.

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, wasn't she in the Prophecy?

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 2>She was in the Prophecy, she was in Free Jack.

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought about that.

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's one of my favorites. Let's see Christopher Plumber's

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.640
<v Speaker 2>credits include just to name a few, and really there's

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 2>just they're way too many to even do justice to

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>his full filmography. But he was in sixty five's The

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Sound of Music, sixty seven is The Night of the Generals,

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 2>seventy three's The Picks. If I'm saying that correctly, p

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>y X. This is a horror film of a sort

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:44.120
<v Speaker 2>that I haven't seen.

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll see.

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Seventy five's The Man Who Would Be King. I believe

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>he plays Kipling in that. That used to be one

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of my favorites. I haven't seen it in a long time.

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Seventy nine's Murdered by Decree nineteen eighties, Somewhere in time.

0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Eighty four's Dreamscape.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I just had to look that one up to

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 3>make sure that's the one I was thinking of. Yeah.

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 3>I just recently watched that one within the past year

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 3>with Dennis Quaid, and it's like, it's a dream Warriors

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 3>type movie with Dennis Quaid and it's got Christopher Plumber.

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the bad guy from the Warriors turns into

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>a snake.

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, nice.

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let's see. Oh, he was a Plumber was

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>in eighty eighth Vampire in Venice. He was in ninety

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>one Star Trek the Undiscovered Country, ninety Four's Wolf, ninety

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 2>five to Twelve Monkeys, Dracula two thousand, two thousand and five,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Syriana two thousand and nine, s Up, twenty seventeen's All

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the Money in the World, in twenty nineteen's Knives Out.

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, one of the greats. He really brings a

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of supernatural grandeur to this role into this film,

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, it's like it's it's almost

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>a contradiction. He's at once the classiest thing in this movie,

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 2>but he's also still absolutely giggle inducing.

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 3>In it's inappropriate. The level of great that he brings

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 3>this to this performance is inappropriate and thus goes full

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 3>circle and becomes hilarious. It is.

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's mesmerizing because you're like, man, what a pro.

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>What a pro? He knew, he knows that he's delivering

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>this monologue as a hologram standing in front of some

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>shoddy wooden stairs that have been painted like they're part

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of his spaceship, but he's still giving it his absolute all.

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like if Subway started offering like a

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>caviar sandwich or something just like it doesn't fit, doesn't

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 3>fit with the rest of the menu, and thus it

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 3>seems absurd, even though I'm sure you know, caviar probably

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 3>tastes good, but like people would be like, why is

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 3>this here, what's the deal? What's going on? Yeah?

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we'll have more to say about his performance

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>as we proceed. But let's see. The Emperor has a

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>sign in this film. His name is Prince Simon, and

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 2>as you would expect, the son of Christopher. Plummer's character

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 2>is played by David Hasselhoff born nineteen fifty two.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 3>Future star of bay Watch and night Rider. He had

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 3>done neither one at this point.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 2>Right right, those would those would come later? Yeah, night

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Rider was eighty two, three eighty six. Bay Watch was

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine three, two thousand and three. But also don't

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>don't count out bay Watch nights ninety five through ninety seven.

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know, don't know, bewatching.

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's when his character was like fighting mummies and

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>serial killers and whatnot.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you kidding? No?

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 2>No, for real, I mean I don't know how supernatural

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>it got. I think I only ever watched one episode,

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's like basically, yeah, bay Watch at night with

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like Kolchak the Nightstalker sort of sensibilities some degree. I

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>don't want to oversell it and get people excited about

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>something that's not going to deliver.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>You're getting me excited. I got to find out what

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 3>to deal with this is. But yeah, so at this

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>point I think he had mainly done He had done

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>TV soap operas and stuff, like he'd been on The

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 3>Young and the Restless.

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was only his second film role, following seventy

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>six is Revenge of the Cheerleaders, and it would be

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>his last theatrical picture until eighty eight Strong Times and

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>a movie called Witchberry that came out the same year.

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 3>He has voluminous hair, and it is not not really

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 3>projecting like he's in the scenes that he's in. He

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 3>always comes off as like the smallest person in them,

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 3>just in terms not physically, but in terms of presence,

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 3>like everybody else is kind of taking up more dramatic

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 3>space than he is. Yeah.

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I found him to just feel wooden and afraid, which

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>is not what we come to expect from the Hoff.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>But again, this is very this is very early days.

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And again this this picture is nobody's finest outing from

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>an acting standpoint, so I think all can.

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Be a forgiven.

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I also read that he apparently had food poisoning, and

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>it's one of the reasons that when we first meet

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>him he is wearing an enormous golden mask because he's

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>not physically there on set or something.

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that would make sense, Yeah, the Zarda's mask.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. We have a character by the name

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 2>of Chief Thor, and it's going to be a real

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>roller coaster of allegiances with the Chief Thor. But he

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 2>is played by a character actor by the name of

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>and I hope I'm saying it correctly, Robert to say,

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>or Robert Tessier. I'm not sure which is preferred here,

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>but Tessier Testia yea. He lived nineteen thirty four through

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety Menacing Tough Guy, a stumpman turned actor whose

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>credits include a nice array of like bat biker films

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and action shlock titles include seventy ones The Velvet Vampire,

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>seventy four is The Longest Yard, seventy seven's The Deep,

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>eighty two is The Sword and the Sorcerer, and eighty

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>nine's Future Force. And again there's some biker films mixed

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>in there as well, Like you get the impression he's

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the sort of actor you might turn to when you

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>just need some rugged guy to give you a bad

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>look in a bar, Like he's who you call in.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 3>He naturally has Popeye's face, he does.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, rugged, muscular bad dude. I believe he was

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a vet from the Armed Forces.

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Always perpetual squinting, angry appearance.

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh man. And then let's talk about our villain.

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>This is Count zarth Arn. Am I am I saying

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 2>it correctly? That's a mouthful.

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Are you mocking the Count Count ar Arn?

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>What does the stress? Is it zarth Ron or zarth Ron?

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 3>You hear it both ways in the movie, Yeah, the

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 3>different characters. Sometimes the same character says it different ways.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Did you like how this guy says his own name

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot? He likes to shout his own name, either

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 3>in victory or in defiance. He just says Zarthorn.

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's a great deal of shouting from Count Zarthorn,

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>played by the Great Joe Spinel of nineteen thirty six

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>through nineteen eighty nine. A true legend of seventies cinema,

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>from its glorious heights to its grimy middle depths. Spinell's

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>credits include roles in the first two Godfather films, the

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>first two Rocky films, and in all four of those

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>pictures playing underworld figures.

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 3>It's easy to forget that in the first couple of

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.959
<v Speaker 3>Rocky movies Rocky is a mob enforcer. There's like a

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 3>loan shark played by Joe Spinell, and Rocky has to

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 3>go out and threaten people or beat them up to

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 3>get this guy's money.

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Spinell is, you know, great in these sorts

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of roles. But he didn't just play criminals. He also

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>played cops in law enforcement figures, generally of the more

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>like morally corrupt variety, and so he pops up in

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 2>films like seventy six is Taxi Driver, nineteen eighties Cruising.

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 2>He also pops up in such legendary weird fair as

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties The Ninth Configuration, which has a you know,

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>an extended weird cast, and then also the Forbidden World.

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sorry Forbidden Zone and not the for

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Benzone Forbidden Zone. And of course he's also a horror

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>icon for his roles in eighty two's The Last Horror

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Film in nineteen eighties Maniac, both with Carolyn Monroe, and

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>he also co wrote Maniac. I was looking deep into

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 2>his filmography and I noted something that stirred something in

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>my memory. He was in a TV movie adaptation of

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>The Ransom of Red Chief, which co starred Harry Dean Stanton.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think I actually watched this in school, like

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>an elementary school at some point, maybe junior high, I

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know. At some point we were covering this short

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 2>story and then you know, like you do, it's time

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to pull out the giant television on its cart and

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>watch an adaptation. And given the time, it had to

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>have been this one.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Wonder how often people end up watching Maniac in elementary

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 3>school gosh, I hope not educational value.

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So I have to say, like Spinel obviously a great

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>character actor, certainly when it came to playing textured creeps

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and heavies, particularly when his native New York was the

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>but really he's completely miscast here as a space tyrant.

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>He just comes off as just completely ridiculous, like a

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>like a vampire penguin the entire film, like a ponche Salvador.

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Dolly of Dolly was also a space pimp, But like

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 2>everything else in the film, it's so bad that it

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>just becomes glorious, Like you just want to see more

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and more of this guy as he goes around with

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>this ridiculous cape that I think must have been on

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>wires to make it like Flume out the way it

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 2>does just beautiful.

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the red velvet cape. I mean, bravo to every

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 3>moment he's in this movie. He's not acting, he's just

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of snarling and yelling. And as we've said, it's

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 3>not his voice, whoever's or I don't know if it

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>is his voice, but it's certainly not live sound for

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 3>his scenes. Yeah, and just it's amazing. Every Czar Thorn

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 3>scene is just delicious.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his outfits kind of form fitting in a weird way.

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is another case though, where it's interesting how

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>his character does kind of forecast what we'd eventually get

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>in Star Wars, particularly with Count Dooku. He's based Tyrant

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 2>with Dracula esque flourishes, but of course Star Wars actually

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>just cast Dracula himself Christopher Lee. It's hard to argue

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>that Spinell is really ideal casting for this sort of character.

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 2>But again, it's glorious to watch, so we can't really complain.

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, many rounds of applause of Joe Spinell.

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Here, all right, Getting into some of the supporting cast.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Here we have Nadia Cassini playing Queen Karelia. This is

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 2>the Queen of the Amazons. We go to a few

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>we go on a few different good planets here, you know,

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>we go to an ice planet, we go to an

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Amazonian planet, we go to a caveman planet. You know,

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>hit all the hits and at anyway. So Cassini here

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen forty nine through twenty twenty five American Italian actress, singer,

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 2>and show girl who made a name for herself in

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's like seventies sexploitation and also sex

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 2>comedy films. Her credits include nineteen seventies The Snake God,

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy two's Pulp. That one was actually a Mike Hodges

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>film that starred Michael Caine. And then there's a nineteen

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine film titled I'm a Zombie. You're a Zombie,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>She's a Zombie. Don't know much about it beyond its title,

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's a pretty great title.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.839
<v Speaker 3>You're a Lebowski I'm a Labowski.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's see the other There's a whole group of Amazonian women,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, scantily clad and as you would expect from

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 2>this picture. And the actresses involved here include a number

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of actresses actresses who feature into various exploitation and erotic

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.959
<v Speaker 2>Italian films of the era. Just to mention a couple

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of them in passing, we have Cindy Ledbetter born nineteen

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>fifty five, American models turned actress whose credits include eighty

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>one's Absurd, which we talk about on the show before.

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<v Speaker 3>You might remember she George eastman Halloween ripoff. Actually yes, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>very much so. She's the blonde.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's a babysitter and georgie'sman kills her with

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a pick axe through the top of the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, wait is okay? I recall her death scene?

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Taking a really long time? Am I thinking of the

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 3>right person? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I included a still in our outlines to remind you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so yes, she was in that one. She was

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<v Speaker 2>also in eighty five's The Adventures of Hercules, though I

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>don't clearly remember her from that. She was one of

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the one of the other ladies in that film, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she's also in eighty four's Rats Night of Terror.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, I got the blu ray of that. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>watched the whole thing yet, but I'm I'm excited to

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 3>make it to that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear great bad things about it. I did find

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it amusing that her first credited screen role is not

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>an unnamed character. It is Cannibal Girl in Mental Institution

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>from Joe Tomato's Immanuel and the Last Cannibals from nineteen

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. She was active as an actress to around

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>eighty five, and then popped up again in two thousand

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and eight. We also have another Amazonian woman played by

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 2>dirtche Funari born nineteen fifty seven, a frequent Joe Tomato

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>casting here whose films include multiple Emmanuel movies, nineteen eighties

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Erotic Knights of the Living Dead in nineteen seventy nine's

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Ring of.

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Darkness Erotic Knights of the Living Dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if your film viewing includes some very questionable choices,

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>then you may have seen her before as well. We

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>mentioned l the Robot, The Wonderful Robot. I can't waste

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Southern C three po that we have here. Hamilton Camp

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>provides the voice. We've talked about Hamilton Camp before because

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<v Speaker 2>he came up in our episode on the nineteen eighty

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 2>nine alien boxing movie Arena. Okay, Yeah. So Camp lived

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty four through two thand and five British born

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>actor folk musician, mostly famous as Bob Camp with Bob Gibson,

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and he was also a comedian and his credits include

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight's Heaven Can Wait, eighty two's Eating Rau, and

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineties Dick Tracy. He also did a lot of

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>voice acting, and a lot of it back from a

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>day when they really didn't do a lot of work

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 2>crediting the voice actors on cartoons. He played a Ferangi

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>on Deep Space nine and Yeah. He also put out

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>several folk albums throughout his life as Hamilton Camp. So

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>if you look him up wherever you get your music,

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>look up Hamilton Camp. Pull up some tracks. This guy

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>had a truly beautiful singing voice. It might not seem

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 2>as obvious hearing this this droid voice that he puts

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.280
<v Speaker 2>on in the show, but man, he had some pipes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I'll have to check that out. You know. One

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 3>thing I thought was interesting about the crediting here is

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 3>that we actually get named like you get a named

0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 3>voice credit and a different named physical credit for the

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 3>character El the Robot. But there are clearly lots of

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 3>other characters who are voiced by someone dubbed by someone

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 3>different than appears on screen, and we don't get that

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 3>other person credited.

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what makes the difference here. Maybe it's

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 3>that Hamilton Camp. I don't know. Maybe the plan was

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 3>to do that from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm also not sure on the full production history here.

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's entirely likely that some of these dubs

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 2>might have happened after it had been picked up for

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>distribution in the US, and someone else may have been

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>brought in this sort of thing. Yeah, I'll mention just

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>in passing that Salvatore Baccaro, who lived nineteen thirty two

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>through nineteen eighty four, pops up as one of our

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Neanderthal men on the Caveman Planet. He mentioned him in

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>our episode on Argento's Deep Red. He often played heavies

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and beast men appearing, and a number of really grimy

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Italian exploitation films from the nineteen seventies, often uncredited and

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 2>in one film. Seventy four is Frankenstein's Castle of Freaks.

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>He is credited as Boris Lagosi. Classy, Yeah, And then

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something that is classy about this film.

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the score. The film score here is by John Barry,

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:14.399
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen thirty three through twenty eleven. Seven time

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Oscar nominee and five time winner for his scores too.

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's He's sixty seven is Born Free along with this

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 2>original song. Sixty nine is the Lion in Winter, eighty

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.760
<v Speaker 2>six is Out of Africa, ninety one Dances with Wolves,

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and of course he's best remembered for a quarter centuries

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 2>worth of James Bond scores. He didn't write the original

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 2>theme song, but even listening to the score for Star Crash,

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it feels completely out of place in many respects, in

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 2>part because it's so good, but also it sounds like

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>it should be a James Bond score and not a

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>knockoff Star Wars score. It's legitimately really good stuff. One

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>track the Ice Planet, which you can pull up wherever

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>you get your music, you can find the score for

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>this film. It very good and it even has like

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>something that sounds like whale song in it, except it's

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 2>not sampled whale song. It's something created via non electronic instrumentation,

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's very nice.

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 3>I didn't listen to any of this in isolation, so

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to look this up after we record.

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really good stuff. And I read somewhere I

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know if this is true that there was legitimate

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 2>concern that if Barry saw footage of the film that

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he was going to be scoring, he might quit and

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>they might not get the score. Because I think they

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 2>realized that, hey, we've landed, We've landed a great score

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>for this, no matter how it turns out, we're really,

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, punching above our weight here.

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I think one thing that they must

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 3>have correctly deduced was how important the music is to

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 3>the success of a film like this. I'm not going

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 3>to say that Star Wars is no good without its

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>John Williams score, but I think it would be hard

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 3>to argue that the John Williams score is not a

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 3>significant part of the effect and feeling created by the movie,

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 3>like a big part of what makes it work.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I should also mention that

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.720
<v Speaker 2>we previously discussed John Barry because he did the score

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>for Disney's The Black Hole, which is, of course, in

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>its own way, an attempt to cash in on the

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 2>popularity of Star Wars, to do it the Disney way,

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 2>And of course, in time Star Wars would become the

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Disney way because Disney would purchase Star Wars.

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Everything is the Disney way now if.

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 3>You can't beat them by them, Yeah, all right, are

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 3>you ready to talk about the plot.

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, let's get into the plot.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Like so so many other movies of this type,

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 3>this one opens on a starfield with this empty howling sound.

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>One thing I like about the space imagery in this

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 3>movie is that it is not just black space with

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 3>white points of light. It's a very spicy, colorful galaxy

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 3>with stars and all these different colors like blue, orange, yellow, pink,

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 3>different shades. Later in this opening scene, we're going to

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 3>see a full on hot pink planet partially eclipsed so

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 3>that it shows up as this neon pink crescent or sickle.

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 3>I like it. It's good. Yeah.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I love how colorful space is in Star Crashing again,

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>not the dark void of so many sci fi visions,

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>but more of a psychedelic spell jammer sort of cosmos.

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>You see a similar thing in the Guardians of the

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Galaxy movie. You know, they make a conscious effort to

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>make space exciting and colorful and dynamic and not empty

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and dark.

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 3>And I don't want to suggest that's the right choice

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 3>for every movie. I mean, like an alien space should

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:31.959
<v Speaker 3>be empty and dark.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be a weird and maybe ineffective alien

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>movie if the cosmos was psychedelic. It needs to be.

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Dark, pretty and sparkling. And then after this we are

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 3>treated to a low budget attempt to copy the iconic

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>opening shot of Star Wars where Princess Leah's Blockade Runner

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 3>flies overhead and then the Star Destroyer comes overhead close behind.

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no shame, everybody was doing it so a lot.

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 3>We've seen other movies that did the same thing. Here

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>we get a kind of combination. So it is a

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 3>single ship which appears to be huge like the Star

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Destroyer and glides over the top of the camera lens

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 3>like the Star Destroyer, but it is shaped more like

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 3>the Blockade Runner, and as it goes by we get

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 3>close ups of its many intricate greebowles and outer textures.

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I see all kinds of little consumer plastics glued to

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the outside of this thing and spray painted white. Rob.

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.280
<v Speaker 3>I know you Actually you build miniature sometimes, right.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I do. I generally do little soldiers and like little people,

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>but occasionally I'll do I have done some star wars,

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>like tanks and vehicles.

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Before I bring this up because I wondered what you

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 3>thought about this. I saw what I thought were a

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 3>lot of I don't know what you call this, but

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:55.280
<v Speaker 3>the plastic stuff around the pieces of a little plastic

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 3>miniature kit that you build. So if you're building a

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 3>little airplane kit, you'll get a lot of different pieces

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 3>held in place by these little plastic bars and you

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 3>chose yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know what you

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 3>call that, You know, that plastic lattice or square that

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 3>everything comes in. I saw a lot of stuff that

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.720
<v Speaker 3>was looked like that on the outside of these ships.

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be the spruce and and yeah, I

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>mean that otherwise those things just go in the garbage.

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Make a spaceship out of it.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly looks like pipes if you put it on that. Yeah.

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to say the ships. There are a

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of caveats to the statement but the ships look

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, medium good, I think, Yeah.

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, considering this is low budget, we've seen worse. We've

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.240
<v Speaker 2>seen better, but we've seen worse.

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:43.280
<v Speaker 3>There's a name on this ship, which it's It's called

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 3>the Murray Leinster. That never comes up again.

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, are we

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 2>in the credits again? Are they adding inventive? Are they

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.280
<v Speaker 2>ahead of their time with how they're they're name dropping

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 2>an executive producer or something?

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 3>But are we later going to hear Christopher Plummer saying

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 3>we have lost contact with the Leinster?

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Never comes up?

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Never?

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Never, that's the name of the Maybe it's the name

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 2>of the guy who built the ship. I don't know.

0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Good model work, but yeah, I'll say the ships look

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. However, I think their exact form is often

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit too convoluted for me to really form an impression.

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Like I just it's just kind of confusing, and I

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>certainly have a hard time telling one from the other.

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>And then when they start moving around, all the space

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>action in this film is just aggressively disorienting, Just loops

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and loops of ships soaring loudly sonically and visually through space.

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Just an alarming overbearing sense of you took too much.

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah, as I said earlier, I think the space

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 3>battles there, there are problems with them, and one of

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.760
<v Speaker 3>them is a lack of differentiation, a lack of focus.

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 3>It's just stuff happening. Yeah. So anyway, we cut inside

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 3>the Murray Leinster now where crew members are waddling around

0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:00.800
<v Speaker 3>in maroon leather uniforms of these shoulder pads and cod pieces,

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>wearing these ridiculous gold helmets. Not sure why, but almost

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 3>all of the soldiers in this movie, whether for the

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Empire or working for zarth Arn, they all have similar

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 3>shaped helmets. And all of these guys remind me of

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 3>the Mom's robot oil suns. Do you see what I'm saying.

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, there's the head shape combined with the helmet

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>shape for sure. And you know, I don't know if

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a direct connection here. It would not surprise me

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 2>if the Futurama folks were Starcrash fans. But I'm also

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>glad that you brought up the cod pieces. This movie

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:40.280
<v Speaker 2>really really loves a good cod piece. Pretty Much every

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>costume in the film is some sort of a cod

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 2>piece on the outside, thong on the outside or chastity

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.839
<v Speaker 2>belt on the outside of the garment. Yes, it's just everywhere.

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I feel bad for everybody on screen because almost all

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.800
<v Speaker 3>of them have like some kind of rigid thong tight

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 3>thong over their pants. It's the galay, you know, the

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 3>denizens of the wedgy galaxy. It looks like not fun,

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 3>not fully aware anyway. So there there is one practical

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 3>effect I like in this early scene on the spaceship,

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 3>which is that instead of getting in and out of

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.399
<v Speaker 3>elevators like kirkans Bach are always doing, this ship has

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 3>a transportation infrastructure that's like a little elevator compartment. So

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you go down a hall, go through a door, and

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 3>then you stand in a room and close the door.

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>But instead of going up and down to different floors,

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 3>it is a circular room that rotates around to point

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:40.359
<v Speaker 3>you out into a different hallway. And I was thinking

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 3>about this and I was like, how is that better

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 3>than having an intersection of hallways?

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 2>It is really impressive visually, but it's it's also kind

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>of a it's kind of like a first date thing

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:53.760
<v Speaker 2>in this film, Like, are we going to be treated

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 2>with this level of class and sophistication in every scene? No, no,

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 2>not really, but it's pretty cool here.

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, on the bridge, we got a couple of

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 3>these robot oil suns chatting. One of them says, and

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 3>nearly all of these line deliveries are pretty weird in

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 3>one way or another. One of them says, what is

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:18.320
<v Speaker 3>it like the planet we're approaching? The other one says,

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 3>nothing but ice and snow, a barren desert of whiteness.

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 3>And then another one says, scan it with our computer waves.

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 3>The enemy's weapons may be hidden beneath its surface. And

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 3>then now we see outside and the rockade Blunner here

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 3>is flying through space. And suddenly nearby something starts happening.

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 3>We get some red lava lamp wax that starts undulating

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 3>in the cosmos. That doesn't seem good.

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about the red monsters? Yeah, because they

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.360
<v Speaker 2>will keep referring back to this as the red monsters,

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa what redds. Oh,

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about the globs. They're talking about the lava

0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 2>lamp globs.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, At some point I was thinking, we're going to

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 3>see monts. We'll see what they see, We'll see the monster.

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 3>We never do. It's some kind of psychic attack. All

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:09.319
<v Speaker 3>of the helmet dudes, the robot oil sons grab their

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.279
<v Speaker 3>helmets and they start groaning, while the interior cabins fill

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 3>up with these red spots of light that zip around

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 3>in the air. They look like red lens flares.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is highly variable depending on who you are

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and what your character is, depending on how this will

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>affect you, Like when Carolyn Monroe's character is hit by

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>it later, it's almost like an orgasm. Migraine seems to

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:34.240
<v Speaker 2>be the overall effect.

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 3>She goes, ah, my head. And so anyway, the soldiers

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 3>here they collapse, presumably they die, and then we watch

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 3>the ship's escape pods, which looks slightly like paper airplanes.

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.879
<v Speaker 3>They fire off one by one. Then the ship explodes,

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 3>and then we cut to the credits where Marjo gets

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 3>top billing before Carolyn Monroe. Again, I call foul on

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.879
<v Speaker 3>that that doesn't make sense to me that we get

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the title. I like the title styling. It's really good.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see more of it, but they just

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 2>rush it off the screen. They're like, we haven't got

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 2>time for this. This is star Crash. You read the

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 2>title on the poster, did.

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 3>You notice how after the credits. The credits and music

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 3>cut off very abruptly. We're getting it's like the music

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:23.240
<v Speaker 3>doesn't finish the phrase it's in. It's in the middle

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 3>of something happening in the song, and then it's just

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 3>enough of that, you know, trying to watch some triangles

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.320
<v Speaker 3>zooming around. Yeah, so we fall in with a second spaceship.

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 3>This one is shaped like a tortilla chip. It's a

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.919
<v Speaker 3>big flat triangle, and inside at the helm we meet

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Marjo Gordoner is acton and Carolyn Monroe as still a star.

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.839
<v Speaker 3>I would say they in a way both look like

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 3>they're in advertisements for different kinds of hair care products.

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the hair game in this film is it

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>is pretty intense. Everybody's hair is a definite choice, whether

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:04.280
<v Speaker 2>it's slicked back with grease or poofed out to almost

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 2>supernatural levels of poofiness.

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So Marjo is this handsome, kind of sun baked

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 3>guy in his thirties. He got this big crown of

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 3>curly blonde hair, and like I said earlier, he has

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 3>a very stagy, live showbiz delivery style. Again, not really

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 3>playing a character so much as projecting his lines like

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 3>a somebody who's giving announcements or owning a stage, maybe

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 3>like a magician. And Carolyn Monroe is very sparkly hammer glamour.

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 3>And let's see, I had some notes here about the

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Candy Clark thing, but I guess we already addressed that question. Marks,

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 3>is this really Candy Clark's voice in the dubbing? If so,

0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>that is interesting.

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again this was common practice. Like we were

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about Hercules and the Haunted World, like they had

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Lee of all people in that, and they just

0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 2>use somebody else to dub his voice for the English version.

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we already paid for Christopher Lee once. We're

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>not going to pay for ripped twice just so he

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 2>can use his voice.

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Crazy, Yeah, I remember Christopher Lely seemed very underused in that. Yeah. Anyway,

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 3>so we got Stella and Acton. They're flying through space

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 3>and they find themselves being pursued by space cops. Acton

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 3>pulls them up on the view screen and then they

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 3>see the bald green head of Robert Tessier and this

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 3>guy says, as Thor, chief of the Imperial Police, I

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 3>order you to surrender at once. Oh, since he's asking

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 3>as Thor, I guess we've got to get it. And

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.399
<v Speaker 3>then we get a second head on the TV. This

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 3>time it's a shiny black robot that looks like Darth

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.399
<v Speaker 3>Vader's helmet. This character is named L like the name

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 3>E L E, not the letter. And I think the

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.800
<v Speaker 3>design of this character is interesting because he is essentially

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 3>going to turn out to be a comic relief loyal

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 3>droid sidekick like C three, but with a Southern accent

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 3>like Sheriff J. W. Pepper and Live and Let Die.

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 3>And then given all that, I think it is weird

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 3>that they decide to make him look evil like Darth Vader.

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like it's almost like they had this robot design

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and they were gonna use it for a villain and

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like, now, let's just use it for the good guy.

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter. And yeah, so he looks like you

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>should be more of a force to be reckoned with

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>than he actually is, at least in the black hole.

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.680
<v Speaker 2>The robot with the Southern voice. I think Slim Dickens

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.319
<v Speaker 2>did the voice of the Southern robot in that at

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 2>least he looks like comic relief.

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. L. So this robot comes on the TV and

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 3>says Stella you cheap smuggler and police robot l you

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 3>have the right to remain silent some kind of southern sheriff.

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's great, but so much of his dialogue

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 2>specifically is like, like, Stella, we have to go over

0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>here and push this button now so we can still

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 2>up the bad guys. Like there's a lot of like

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.960
<v Speaker 2>almost overt narration about what is going on and why,

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 2>but it it becomes transcendent and becomes to feel it

0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to feel like like ritual.

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know, we so the cops come on

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 3>the TV and then Stella says, in a sudden and

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 3>jarringly rough bit of dubbing, go for hyperspace, So you know,

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.399
<v Speaker 3>the tortilla chip whips around and then it squirts them

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 3>out into some kind of grainy crimson video. Realm, this

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 3>is what happens with hyperspace in the movie. It it

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:38.800
<v Speaker 3>suddenly cuts to something happening on video with like huge pixel.

0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Textah, just hard to watch, legitimately hard to stare at.

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Stella says. Then, in a strangely folksy voice, she says,

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 3>let's hope this Starbuggy stays together. What's our chances? Acton

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 3>says forty percent total disintegration, thirty percent molecular ignition, twenty

0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 3>percent gamma contamination. Now you mention earlier Rob the idea

0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 3>that even though this was in some sense derived from

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Star Wars, you could see other ways that it would

0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.799
<v Speaker 3>prophesy future developments in Star Wars. I thought this one

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 3>was interesting because see three Po talks like this in

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.680
<v Speaker 3>later Star Wars movies. But I think he does not

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 3>talk like this in the Star Wars movie that had

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 3>come out at this point.

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting observation. So he hadn't he in the

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 2>original Star Wars. He's less of a doomsayer in Negative Nelly.

0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's Negative Nelly, But I don't recall him citing

0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:37.479
<v Speaker 3>the odds of surviving a dangerous situation like he does

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 3>repeatedly and Empire strikes back. That's an Empire innovation from

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:45.960
<v Speaker 3>at least from what I recall. So you know, it

0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 3>feels like an element stolen from Star Wars. But actually

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it's just coincidence Star Wars started doing something

0:57:51.680 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 3>like this years later. Yeah, so they fiddle with some

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.440
<v Speaker 3>knobs and then they squirt back out of hyperspace. But oh,

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 3>they say, look, it's a Neutron Star. If it gets

0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 3>hold of us, it will crush us. Fortunately it does

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 3>not get hold of them. Instead, they cruise past it

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 3>and then right up to the edge of a place

0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 3>that Acton calls the Haunted Stars. What is that place?

0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 3>And they don't really say, it's just the Haunted Stars.

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.080
<v Speaker 3>And then they stumble across something that's floating out in

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 3>the dark, and we see it is one of the

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:36.919
<v Speaker 3>escape pods that launched from the rockade Blunner earlier. When

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Stella sees it, she says, what in the universe is that?

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 3>And then she gasped and says, it's a spaceship. What

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 3>else would it be?

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everything in this film so far has been a spaceship.

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what do you normally see floating in space? So

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Stella puts on a space suit that consists of a

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 3>body shaped dry leaning bag and then a helmet that

0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:06.120
<v Speaker 3>looks like a transparent plastic toilet, and space walks out

0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.520
<v Speaker 3>to the derelict ship and finds an unconscious guy on board.

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 3>They bring the survivor back to their ship, where Acton

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 3>tells Stella he keeps talking about monsters, red monsters, and

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 3>they're both just standing there beside him. I guess Acton

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 3>is translating for her or something. Maybe he's a protocol droid.

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:29.959
<v Speaker 3>I don't know a question, sorry, actually pause? Is act

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:34.400
<v Speaker 3>On organic or a droid? Is he human or an alien?

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 2>What is he? Do not know? They never bother to

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 2>really establish it, but we see a lot of evidence

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 2>later to support the idea that he's maybe some sort

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 2>of an energy being. But yeah, you'd think that if

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 2>that were the case, they would actually tell us what

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 2>and why, And we never get that. Because you can

0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 2>manipulate light, he eventually turns into light. I don't know

0:59:58.120 --> 0:59:58.560
<v Speaker 2>what he is.

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.640
<v Speaker 3>So Acton tells her that the man wants them to

1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:06.160
<v Speaker 3>alert someone immediately. He wants them to call the emperor

1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:09.040
<v Speaker 3>of the first circle of the universe. How many circles

1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:09.520
<v Speaker 3>are there?

1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Three? Four?

1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:16.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Okay, but yeah, how do you alert the emperors?

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:18.320
<v Speaker 3>You have like a one eight hundred number you can call?

1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean weird that you can go right to

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the top. It seems like you have. There would be

1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:28.400
<v Speaker 2>at least a go between for the random space jumpers

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to connect with instead of just speaking correctly to the emperor.

1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 3>So before they can figure out what to do, they

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:38.160
<v Speaker 3>are hailed once again on the viewscreen by Thor and l.

1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:41.320
<v Speaker 3>So they've been caught again, and this time they're surrounded.

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Acton tells Stella, don't worry, we'll get out of this. Meanwhile,

1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 3>elsewhere in the galaxy, it is time to meet our villains.

1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:52.400
<v Speaker 3>So we pan over a giant spaceship that is shaped

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:56.440
<v Speaker 3>like a hand with a big boxy palm, four fingers

1:00:56.480 --> 1:01:00.360
<v Speaker 3>and a thumb, each with pointed triangle claws at the

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.920
<v Speaker 3>end of the finger. It's hard to imagine this design

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 3>is for functional reasons, like you end up with a

1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.040
<v Speaker 3>spaceship like this, I think because the dark Lord insists

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.280
<v Speaker 3>that the spaceship must look like a huge hand.

1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if this were not too much already, we'll

1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:18.920
<v Speaker 2>see later that it can form a fist or a

1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:23.240
<v Speaker 2>rough fist like those fingers mooth. Clearly the dark Lord

1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:25.560
<v Speaker 2>insisted that this be part of it, right.

1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.880
<v Speaker 3>It clinches when the ship's about to do something really mean.

1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.200
<v Speaker 3>So inside the ship we get a view of the bridge.

1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Rob how would you describe this bridge?

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, it literally has a bridge. It has like a catwalk.

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<v Speaker 2>Catwalk of course, always a great addition to any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sci fi action set, especially if you have some

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated stump men that are willing to take a dive

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<v Speaker 2>over the edge of set railing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would call this kind of spike chic. There

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<v Speaker 3>are just spikes everywhere. Why so many spikes? And people

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<v Speaker 3>here are absolutely worring Planet of the Vampire's costumes but

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<v Speaker 3>dopey versions. Yeah. They look like a cross between Planet

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<v Speaker 3>of the Vampires and people from House Frey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it is. It is also a film like

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<v Speaker 2>this is a great way to remind ourselves just how

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<v Speaker 2>good Planet the Vampires is, at least how great it

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<v Speaker 2>looks and sounds when you see it done. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>not at the same level.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of these officers on the bridge comes up

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<v Speaker 3>to the Boss and says, they found one damned survivor.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy is el Rick. He is a tooth grinding

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<v Speaker 3>little toady.

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<v Speaker 2>Elmric spicy. He's a little spicy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he looks he looks mad all the time. He's

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<v Speaker 3>like But the Boss is again, just the wonderful, extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>villain of this film, Count zarth Arn obviously our Darth Vader.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Zarreth Darth. It's not hard to see. But

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<v Speaker 3>since they decided to use the Darth Vader helmet already

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<v Speaker 3>on a goofy cop droid from Alabama. They have to

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<v Speaker 3>we got to do something else for the actual Darth

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<v Speaker 3>Vader character, so they just leave his head uncovered. So

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<v Speaker 3>instead we get a sith Lord served open faced in

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<v Speaker 3>a black vinyl suit with a utility belt and this

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<v Speaker 3>burgundy velvet cape. Like he is some kind of mystical

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<v Speaker 3>vampire chocolateer. You know, he's part Darth Vader, part Batman,

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<v Speaker 3>part Willie Wonka, part Louis the Fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I mean, on one level, it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>you've cast Joe Spinel in this role. Why wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 2>want to look at him? Like he's very captivating face,

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<v Speaker 2>a very expressive face. As is he the right casting?

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<v Speaker 2>I would argu know, But if you've cast him, you've

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<v Speaker 2>already committed to it. Don't put a mask over him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's absolutely see him.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree. So Elrick says that the Imperial Navy has located

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<v Speaker 3>one of the escape pods and that there is a

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<v Speaker 3>but quote, his brain seems thoroughly damaged, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they think there's little risk of the stolen ship being found.

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<v Speaker 3>And Zarthorn reacts to this news by walking a few

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<v Speaker 3>paces over and saying in a growley voice, come to me, golams. Ah, so, golams.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting mythology edition. Here is this gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>like the golam of progue? Not at all. These golams

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<v Speaker 3>are droids. They're just they're droids with angry duck faces

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<v Speaker 3>holding machetes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and these are absolutely the ones that look a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like what we would eventually see whether our b

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<v Speaker 2>One battle droids in the Phantom Menace.

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<v Speaker 3>They do look like that. But you know what they

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<v Speaker 3>also look like is the mad scientist from the Nightmare

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<v Speaker 3>before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, little the duck lips and the big head. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So Zarthorne says, I have a simple task for you. You

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<v Speaker 3>must not fail me. We're gonna find out later what

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<v Speaker 3>the task is. So next we cut to a trial.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to mention this. A Stella Star and

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<v Speaker 3>Acton are tried for their crimes, which are smuggling. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we don't learn a lot about their crimes. They're

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<v Speaker 3>being tried in this green disco space court where the

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<v Speaker 3>judge is a huge green and gold head with tentacles

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<v Speaker 3>inside a dome, and this seems to me to be

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty obvious visual reference to the Martian controller head

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<v Speaker 3>in an earlier movie, William Cameron Menzi's Invaders from Mars

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<v Speaker 3>from nineteen fifty three. Rob, I've got a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>this for you to look at in the outline here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like that is so close it could not

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<v Speaker 3>but be an homage or a nod or whatever you

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<v Speaker 3>want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think there's some things similar

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<v Speaker 2>to this elsewhere in like comic books and all. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling you're dead on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, the colors are so similar, and the

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<v Speaker 3>tentacles on the head and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it's amazing how weird this character is, to the

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<v Speaker 2>extent we can call it character. This moment is in

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<v Speaker 2>the film, but you almost completely forget about it in

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<v Speaker 2>the wake of everything that's to come and all. Just

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<v Speaker 2>like again, the absurd dialogue choices.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes through the shredder of the mind within minutes after

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen it. So Acton and Stella get assigned life

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<v Speaker 3>sentences of you know, they're sentto forced labor on different planets,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sounds it sounds like he says Stella is

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to go to Pino colony on Nocturne

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<v Speaker 3>the second, like Pino noir Gratio.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she also misunderstood them because she is not

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<v Speaker 2>dressed for a penal colony, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>So we cut straight to Stella star already at her

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<v Speaker 3>prison camp. The vibe at this place, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>your standard dilithium minds of Ruapenthe and the prisoners have

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<v Speaker 3>to carry big translucent beach balls that the warden identifies

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<v Speaker 3>as radium up onto a platform and then they dump

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<v Speaker 3>the balls into a steamy hole. And so Stella has

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<v Speaker 3>changed into her radioactive prison labor outfit here, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a black leather bikini with high heeled boots, like thigh

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<v Speaker 3>high high heeled black leather boots. All of the other

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<v Speaker 3>prisoners are wearing rags with long sleeves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's dressed up here and it's weird. She

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<v Speaker 2>will actually find ways to dress down further and wear

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<v Speaker 2>less clothes later in the film without actually being naked.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the guards call for a brief rest here,

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<v Speaker 3>Stella starts complaining to her fellow prisoners. She says, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been at this twelve hours. The radiation will burn my

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<v Speaker 3>skin off, and it's like, yeah, they know, dude, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they've been here longer than you have. Why

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<v Speaker 3>are you complaining at them? But so one of the

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<v Speaker 3>other guys, he doesn't react like that. He just says,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd better work if you don't want to taste the

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<v Speaker 3>burning of their energy whips too. So Stella, she begins

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<v Speaker 3>planning an escape with the other prisoners, something about over

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<v Speaker 3>feeding the furnace with a gun ray. But they get

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<v Speaker 3>caught by a guard. A fight breaks out, Stella beats

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<v Speaker 3>the crap out of the guard. One of the other

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<v Speaker 3>prisoners takes the guard's blaster, and then all hell breaks loose.

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<v Speaker 3>The prisoners and the guards start fighting. I thought, here,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe Stella was going to lead a prison break, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she's like, oh, okay, yeah, we'll all rebel and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>get out of here. Instead, it just seems like she

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<v Speaker 3>sneaks out the back while Yeah, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Just takes a beat line for the exit, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's every humanoid for themselves here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then the prison explodes I think something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or the plant. I don't know how. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>scale of this explosion is uncertain.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the planet yet, because she goes she's out

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<v Speaker 3>in a wheat field.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, she gets into the wheat field.

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<v Speaker 3>So we soon learned that this prison break was absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>pointless because while Stella is out running around in some

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<v Speaker 3>fields with tall grass, a ship lands. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it's her old spaceship. Maybe I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly again, hard to tell. The spaceship's apart in this film.

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<v Speaker 3>It lands, she goes inside. There's a nice looking shot

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<v Speaker 3>here with some of that jallo lighting where she comes

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<v Speaker 3>down a long hall holding a holding a rifle with

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<v Speaker 3>this hot pink background.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh are you talking about the rifle ray, the rifle ray.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, the rifle ray. And she goes into the

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<v Speaker 3>ship and then meets none other than the two space

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<v Speaker 3>cops who caught her in the first place. So again

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<v Speaker 3>you've got Thor, the bald snarling man with the green skin,

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<v Speaker 3>and l the country fried robot cop. So they revealed

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<v Speaker 3>that she has been granted a pardon the way Elle

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<v Speaker 3>says it is quote, your sentence has been canceled. Then

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<v Speaker 3>Stella says, have you both gone? Mad Elle says, I

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<v Speaker 3>only have logic and emotion circuits, no room for craziness. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been assigned a top secret imperial mission. We must

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<v Speaker 3>leave now and set Acton free. So I was thinking, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>is there going to be a scene where they have

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<v Speaker 3>to break him out of prison? But no Elle hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>even finished talking when it just cuts a way to

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<v Speaker 3>Acton being thrust up out of a hole in the

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<v Speaker 3>floor on a spaceship somewhere, and there's a bearded guy

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on a throne next to the hole and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>there he's yours, my gift to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So everything we've seen from these two thus far

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<v Speaker 2>is just completely unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the whole gang's back together now, so and it's

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<v Speaker 3>the four of them. It is stell Star, Acton L

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<v Speaker 3>and Thor and they have to go rendezvous with the

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<v Speaker 3>Imperial flagship to get their orders. The Imperial flagship looks

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a giant gold turtle with a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of spikes on its back. And when they're approaching, El says, Acton,

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<v Speaker 3>you are ready to You are going to meet some

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<v Speaker 3>real royalty. So that makes me think we're going inside

1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the Imperial flagship, right, No, the Emperor is instead going

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<v Speaker 3>to project a hologram into the room with them on

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<v Speaker 3>their own ship. So I was kind of wondering, do

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<v Speaker 3>they really need to come all this way? Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 3>a limited range hologram.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be, And this is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>scene where the Emperor's hologram manifests in front of some

1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:08.320
<v Speaker 2>terrible looking stairs, Like of all the things you could

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<v Speaker 2>have shot him against or had the hologram up here

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<v Speaker 2>in front of. Why, there's a lot of stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>looks better on the sets. The sets of this film

1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:20.599
<v Speaker 2>are generally pretty interesting. Why these stairs, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it a hologram at all? I wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>it's trying to do the help me Obi wan Kenobi,

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<v Speaker 3>You're my only hope thing with the hologram there, But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. So this is the Emperor, the good Emperor.

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<v Speaker 3>He suddenly appears and then el points behind all the

1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:39.400
<v Speaker 3>crew and he says, he's here. It's his hole, low

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<v Speaker 3>graphic image.

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<v Speaker 2>There he is, and he is dressed and again what

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<v Speaker 2>just looks like a full body golden chastity belt.

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<v Speaker 3>God. Yeah, yeah, words fail me. So I'm just going

1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.800
<v Speaker 3>to read the Emperor's monologue here. This is where he

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<v Speaker 3>gives them their assignment. Emperor says, I come to you,

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<v Speaker 3>because because my faithful robot l has told me that

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<v Speaker 3>you are the only one who could save us. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you must be the best pilot in the whole galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was thinking, oh, she's a pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, have we seen anything about it? I mean, they

1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:18.840
<v Speaker 2>were both tweaking knobs, so I didn't know. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they were both the pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>It seemed like Acton was flying the ship earlier. I

1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:25.360
<v Speaker 3>don't know. But he says, you're the best pilot in

1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the galaxy, and you act on the best navigator Stella.

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<v Speaker 3>Our galaxy is split into two warring factions, our own

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<v Speaker 3>and the one ruled by the evil Count zarth Arn

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<v Speaker 3>from the League of the Dark Worlds. Then I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>which faction was it that sentenced her to the prison planet.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was his faction, the good Guys. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the good Guys. Okay, Then he and then he goes

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<v Speaker 3>on to say there's something wrong here. There's a sentence

1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:58.560
<v Speaker 3>missing a subject. He says, recently begun to receive troublesome

1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:02.559
<v Speaker 3>reports from our spy among the League. They've informed us

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<v Speaker 3>that the Count has created a weapon, a new limitless weapon,

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<v Speaker 3>a weapon so vast, so huge that it would almost

1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.519
<v Speaker 3>be called a death star, that it would take a

1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:15.200
<v Speaker 3>whole planet to conceal it.

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars would eventually kind of get back to this idea,

1:13:18.280 --> 1:13:19.759
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't they in the sequel trilogy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you need it, that's right, You need a whole

1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.240
<v Speaker 3>planet to conceal the weapon. So yeah, So this is

1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.160
<v Speaker 3>the backstory the ship that got attacked in the prologue

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<v Speaker 3>by the red Lava Lamp, which again that's what everybody

1:13:30.720 --> 1:13:32.920
<v Speaker 3>keeps calling it the red monsters, but we just see

1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the red lights floating around and people of course clutching

1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:40.240
<v Speaker 3>their heads and going, oh. So that ship was sent

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<v Speaker 3>by the Emperor to find Zarthorne's death planet, and it came,

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<v Speaker 3>in Christopher Plumber's words, so close, so close to discovering

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<v Speaker 3>the Count's secret when it was suddenly attacked by a

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<v Speaker 3>horde of unknown monsters. But he knows that the ship

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<v Speaker 3>sent out some escape pods like we saw earlier. So

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<v Speaker 3>now with the utmost secrecy, they have to sail to

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<v Speaker 3>the Haunted Stars, find the escape pods, discover the location

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<v Speaker 3>of the Count's secret planet, and destroy it. And then

1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:13.879
<v Speaker 3>the hole logram Emperor turns around and starts to slowly

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<v Speaker 3>wander away. Why is he walking away if it's a

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<v Speaker 3>hologram yeaheah, you'd think he'd turn it off instead of

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<v Speaker 3>walking away. But then he stops and he looks back

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<v Speaker 3>over his shoulder, and it's a one more thing. My

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<v Speaker 3>son is David Hasseloff, and you know he was the

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<v Speaker 3>commander of the ship. You've got to find him. And

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<v Speaker 3>then wistful music plays as we watch the Imperial flagship

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<v Speaker 3>drift away. So after this they talk about the different

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<v Speaker 3>planets they can go to. Acton says we could go

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<v Speaker 3>to the Origa system, also known as the World's Asleep,

1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:49.760
<v Speaker 3>but the problem is they can't find this system. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he says, we could also go to the White

1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Sun of Ozone, but the problem is, once again we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where it is. So there's only one more

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<v Speaker 3>place we can look. Quote the heart of the Haunt

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<v Speaker 3>stars an unknown planet named Eurefus. So that's where they're

1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:10.479
<v Speaker 3>gonna go. So there's some funny chatter about hyperspace while

1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:13.720
<v Speaker 3>they travel. L tells us every time I go to hyperspace,

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<v Speaker 3>I get nervous. This will become a theme.

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<v Speaker 2>That I was programmed to feel nervous during hyperspace. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It seems like a program in error to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly. What's the point of that? He just

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<v Speaker 3>gets nervous about a lot of things, and then later

1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:31.080
<v Speaker 3>denies getting nervous about other things. And so they go

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<v Speaker 3>to the planet Eurefus Stella and L take the shuttle

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<v Speaker 3>down to the surface while Acton and Thor stay aboard

1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the main ship. While flying down over the ocean to

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<v Speaker 3>the landing area, L keeps complaining again full of anxieties.

1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:47.280
<v Speaker 3>He says, don't you think we're flying a little too low?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been programmed to walk on water. Ooh me,

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<v Speaker 3>water makes me nervous. So they go down and they

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<v Speaker 3>investigate the crash remains of the escape pod on the beach.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like there are no survivors. And then while

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<v Speaker 3>they're checking out the surroundings, they are approached by some

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<v Speaker 3>local life forms. It is barbarian women riding horses painted

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<v Speaker 3>red with these big red horse monster masks. They're kind

1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:16.080
<v Speaker 3>of horse lobsters, and L says, look, amazon's on horseback.

1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:19.519
<v Speaker 3>Seems to be a known type of person to approach you.

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<v Speaker 2>I to have to add real quick here that this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the many we were not all just

1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:26.400
<v Speaker 2>we don't spend all of our time in spaceships, we

1:16:26.439 --> 1:16:29.080
<v Speaker 2>of course do have these wonderful locations. They make some

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<v Speaker 2>great use of Italian locations for the film as well,

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<v Speaker 2>including these beachside cliffs.

1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:38.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the Amazons take Stella and l back to

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<v Speaker 3>their layer, which just looks the same as all the

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<v Speaker 3>other spaceship interiors. For some reason, while they're walking to

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<v Speaker 3>meet the queen, they whip out laser guns. They say,

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<v Speaker 3>die robot, and they blast l Why did they do that?

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<v Speaker 2>They don't like robots, I guess. Okay, Amazonians and robots.

1:16:56.160 --> 1:17:01.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a very old feud that you can wrap up anytime.

1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:04.479
<v Speaker 3>Soon, Taylor's oldest time. So yeah, Stella tries to fight them,

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<v Speaker 3>but she's surrounded at gunpoint and they overpower her, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they take her to the Amazon Queen Corelia. When

1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:22.599
<v Speaker 3>they go to meet the queen, it turns out Queen

1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Karelia uh Oh is loyal to Count Zartharn. That's a mistake,

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<v Speaker 3>so she accuses Stella of being a spy and then

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<v Speaker 3>taunts her, saying, even if you're a very talented spy,

1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:37.679
<v Speaker 3>you will never discover the Count's hidden planet. Two packs

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<v Speaker 3>of murdering guardians are there to watch and protect it

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<v Speaker 3>from intruders, and now put her into the mind probe. Oh,

1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:49.800
<v Speaker 3>mind probe. I want to see what that is. Obviously,

1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Stella knows what that is and fears it greatly, because

1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:56.519
<v Speaker 3>she drops her normally cool and unemotional facade and just

1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:57.960
<v Speaker 3>starts screaming.

1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Like no, not the mind probe, but.

1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.120
<v Speaker 3>No minds will be probed. We don't get to find

1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:06.800
<v Speaker 3>out what that is because before we can get there,

1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:09.840
<v Speaker 3>l the robot appears again, points a ray gun at

1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:12.839
<v Speaker 3>the Amazon queen and forces them to hand over Stella.

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<v Speaker 3>So it turns out he was not dead. He says

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<v Speaker 3>to Karelia, give me any trouble, and I'm going to

1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:23.400
<v Speaker 3>clean out your sinus. Is real, good, lady. Strangely evocative

1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:25.840
<v Speaker 3>threat and not really in keeping with the tone of

1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:27.200
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the script.

1:18:27.000 --> 1:18:30.120
<v Speaker 2>But also the weird threat like no, not my cloud sinuses.

1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Together, Elle and Stella escape the palace. This requires a

1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:39.720
<v Speaker 3>very dramatic blasting of a door that won't open, and

1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:42.280
<v Speaker 3>then they make it back out on the beach where

1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.280
<v Speaker 3>they landed. But now they have to contend with a

1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:48.880
<v Speaker 3>new threat. Queen Corelia talks to a TV screen and says, Guardian,

1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:54.160
<v Speaker 3>take my revenge, kill them. The Guardian here is a giant,

1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:59.639
<v Speaker 3>silver stop motion automaton clearly inspired by the Tallows monster

1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:03.400
<v Speaker 3>created by Ray Harryhausen for the nineteen sixty three Jason

1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:06.320
<v Speaker 3>and the Argonauts. Even the staging at the beach is similar,

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<v Speaker 3>but the Guardian here is somewhat different in design from

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<v Speaker 3>the Tallos. It has elements of maybe kind of a

1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:18.280
<v Speaker 3>Hindu goddess appearance like Lakshmi, other elements of a more

1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.680
<v Speaker 3>classic robot or metal man like the tin Man and

1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:22.639
<v Speaker 3>the Wizard of Oz.

1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:24.599
<v Speaker 2>It does have brass and nipples.

1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, so got lot of different things going on.

1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:31.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure exactly what the main inspiration is here,

1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:34.519
<v Speaker 3>but like the forearms in the hands are more just

1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Wizard of Oz tin Man. Anyway, Stella and Elle have

1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:43.559
<v Speaker 3>to hide from and hold off the giant Guardian until

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Acton arrives in the ship and blasts it with a laser.

1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.160
<v Speaker 3>That solves a problem.

1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I have to say this stop motion Guardian so hilarious

1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:55.280
<v Speaker 2>because it is this effect is barely working. I mean,

1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I love even bad stop motion is great stop motion.

1:19:58.640 --> 1:19:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I still love it.

1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:01.200
<v Speaker 3>But I like the Golams later.

1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the Gollams look better later. But this thing

1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:07.080
<v Speaker 2>looks like it's just about to fall over at any moment.

1:20:07.160 --> 1:20:09.120
<v Speaker 2>It feels so ineffective.

1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I think a big problem with this

1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:14.360
<v Speaker 3>scene is it felt to me like they did not

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<v Speaker 3>have the space or the ability to record the full

1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:23.080
<v Speaker 3>range of motions that would be required to stage out

1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:26.559
<v Speaker 3>the scene. So you just get kind of close ups

1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:30.519
<v Speaker 3>of a moving hand suggesting that it is swiping at

1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:32.720
<v Speaker 3>the characters on the ground or something like. You don't

1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:33.920
<v Speaker 3>see it all interacting.

1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean again, it's another case where we can

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:41.439
<v Speaker 2>look at it done less effectively and realize just how

1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.599
<v Speaker 2>great Harry Housen was at what he did, not only

1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.719
<v Speaker 2>in bringing this full range of movement to stop motion creatures,

1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but integrating that with human action and making it feel

1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:53.479
<v Speaker 2>like everything's part of the same world. It's hard to

1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:55.719
<v Speaker 2>do and so you're not going to see it done

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<v Speaker 2>that effectively all the time.

1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:00.760
<v Speaker 3>So everybody leaves in the ship, and then there is

1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:03.280
<v Speaker 3>a brief space battle where they have to fight off

1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:07.599
<v Speaker 3>some of the Amazon space fighters. As I've said earlier,

1:21:07.720 --> 1:21:09.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, I love Star Crash. But I think the

1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:12.719
<v Speaker 3>space battles are just not where it's at in this movie.

1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:15.559
<v Speaker 3>They are consistently the most boring part of the film.

1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:18.240
<v Speaker 3>A lot of close ups of people saying fire go

1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:22.000
<v Speaker 3>to max power, and then you have these model spaceships

1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:26.840
<v Speaker 3>whizzing around randomly and shooting lasers. It's like they're not

1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:31.759
<v Speaker 3>good enough to be dramatically interesting. They don't look especially cool,

1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:34.599
<v Speaker 3>but they also don't look bad enough to be really funny.

1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:36.920
<v Speaker 3>They just look good enough, so I kind of tune

1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:37.240
<v Speaker 3>it out.

1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:41.759
<v Speaker 2>And they're also really jarring. So yeah, so it's actually

1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I found it difficult to tune them out, like I'm

1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.360
<v Speaker 2>not invested, and I also cannot think of anything else

1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:48.360
<v Speaker 2>what that's happening.

1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fair enough, Yeah, all right, so our heroes move on.

1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:53.760
<v Speaker 3>They win the space battle, of course, you know, they win,

1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.760
<v Speaker 3>and they go onto the cold planet. So they're gonna

1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:58.799
<v Speaker 3>have to check out the escape pod on a planet

1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:01.720
<v Speaker 3>covered with ice and snow where the temperature drops were

1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:06.160
<v Speaker 3>told by thousands of degrees at night. That's that's for real.

1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:09.840
<v Speaker 3>So once again, Stella and l the Robot have to

1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:12.360
<v Speaker 3>go check out the crash site while Acton and thor

1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.360
<v Speaker 3>stay aboard the ship. They get to the crash site,

1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:19.960
<v Speaker 3>everybody's dead, and then Stella begins to get fatalistic. She says,

1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:22.679
<v Speaker 3>there's no hope of ever finding the other escape pod

1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.759
<v Speaker 3>or the count secret planet. It's lost out in the stars.

1:22:26.560 --> 1:22:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I noticed this happens a lot in the movie. Our

1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:33.880
<v Speaker 3>heroin is really fond of complaining, of declaring a task

1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:38.800
<v Speaker 3>impossible and assessing there is no hope. Not what you

1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:41.599
<v Speaker 3>normally get with a plucky space adventurer. Carry.

1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also, I guess the rest of the film

1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is like it doesn't really feel that bad either, Like

1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't feel that hopeless, Like the film is not

1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:52.040
<v Speaker 2>really creating that sense of doom and gloom. We're just

1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 2>being told that it is the case.

1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Meanwhile, back on the ship, Acton amuses himself with

1:22:57.680 --> 1:23:00.760
<v Speaker 3>these little laser lassos in his hands. Know what that was?

1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.320
<v Speaker 2>No, But again, this is a great example of like,

1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess he has power over light or laser energy,

1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>or is made out of light or laser energy. I

1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:14.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's just goofy and weird but kind of

1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:16.000
<v Speaker 2>cool to watch. I just have no idea what it's

1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:16.599
<v Speaker 2>supposed to mean.

1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:20.160
<v Speaker 3>We're about to reveal a double agent. So while Acton

1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>is talking to the ship's computer, I don't think this

1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:25.479
<v Speaker 3>comes up really after this part of the movie. Again,

1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:28.280
<v Speaker 3>do they talk to the ship's computer later in the film.

1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>It's no, but it's like a big brain. It's like

1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:34.080
<v Speaker 2>a big glowing brain. I like, gotcha, yeah, yeah, it

1:23:34.120 --> 1:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>almost looks organic.

1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:38.840
<v Speaker 3>So he's talking to the ship while this is happening, Thor,

1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:42.679
<v Speaker 3>the space cop this sneaks up behind Acton and knocks

1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:46.320
<v Speaker 3>him unconscious, then places a video call to his boss,

1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:49.960
<v Speaker 3>counts ar Thorn. So Thor tells Arthorn that he has

1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.559
<v Speaker 3>killed the alien pathfinder. And then I was like, oh,

1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Acton's an alien? Or from whose point of view? I

1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:58.200
<v Speaker 3>guess maybe everybody's an alien.

1:23:58.479 --> 1:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they should have established him as an

1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>alien pathfinder earlier on. You would have been more interesting

1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:03.400
<v Speaker 2>from the get go.

1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Count Zarthorn is very pleased, and so the plan from

1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:09.800
<v Speaker 3>here is they're gonna lock Stella Star outside and let

1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.599
<v Speaker 3>the cold kill her. But Thor tries to take off

1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:15.519
<v Speaker 3>and leave without Stella and l and the ship announces

1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:19.320
<v Speaker 3>a malfunction so it can't leave. And then when Ella

1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.680
<v Speaker 3>not Ella, when Ell and Stella find out what happened that.

1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Elle says thor a trader, I cannot believe it. I

1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:32.519
<v Speaker 3>cannot trust my own logic circuits anymore. But anyway, Elle

1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:36.479
<v Speaker 3>has an idea that might save Stella from freezing to death.

1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.240
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I know what to do. He wants her

1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:41.799
<v Speaker 3>to lay down in the snow and hold his hand,

1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:44.679
<v Speaker 3>and this is going to put her in a state

1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:48.840
<v Speaker 3>of suspended animation. And then I don't know. The vibe

1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:51.439
<v Speaker 3>of this scene is weird. While she's dozing off, she

1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>starts getting all lovey dovey with L, like I don't

1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:57.640
<v Speaker 3>like they're in love now or something. She says L

1:24:58.040 --> 1:25:00.800
<v Speaker 3>as an opponent. I always knew you were programmed to

1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:04.920
<v Speaker 3>never give up, which was infuriating, But now that quality

1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:09.400
<v Speaker 3>must be best. You're the most faithful companion a woman

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.639
<v Speaker 3>ever had. Oh oh, could we workshop that? Man?

1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I you know, the answer may be out there somewhere.

1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>But I kind of wondered if Christopher Plummer did a

1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:25.480
<v Speaker 2>rewrite of his own lines, because I feel like his little.

1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Monologues they're not great either.

1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:29.680
<v Speaker 2>They're not great, but they feel a little more cohesive

1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:32.799
<v Speaker 2>and a little less stupid than everything else in the picture.

1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:36.720
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't talk about that quality must be best. Yes,

1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:42.080
<v Speaker 3>uh so anyway, oh El also says in the scene,

1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:44.479
<v Speaker 3>I like this. He says, now, maybe is a good

1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:47.800
<v Speaker 3>time to use your ancient system of prayer and hope

1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:51.720
<v Speaker 3>it works for robots as well. So I don't know

1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:53.960
<v Speaker 3>whether she prays or not, but she freezes solid and

1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:55.960
<v Speaker 3>turns into an ice crusted mannequin.

1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, real Monroe sickle here.

1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, back on the ship, Thor is busy getting chewed

1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:05.760
<v Speaker 3>out from Zarthorn, or chewed out by Zarthorn for having

1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:08.360
<v Speaker 3>not arrived yet, and Acton wakes up so he was

1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:11.479
<v Speaker 3>not dead after all. This goes into a fight scene.

1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:14.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, they tangle and tray blows. At one point,

1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Thor is trying to crush Acton inside this big sculpture

1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>that has some sort of retracting drawer. I don't even

1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:25.839
<v Speaker 3>know what this is. But Acton uses his eye sparkle powers.

1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I get those, I guess, Yeah, like flashes his eyes,

1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:33.120
<v Speaker 3>like light comes out of them and this knocks Thor back.

1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Thor gets a hold of his gun and then here

1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:37.840
<v Speaker 3>we get to my favorite line in the movie that

1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I was talking about earlier. You know, Thor shoots Acton.

1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Acton is unharmed, and Thor says, what, no one can

1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:49.599
<v Speaker 3>survive these deadly rays. These deadly rays will be your death.

1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.679
<v Speaker 3>So he holds up his hand. The deadly rays bounce

1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:55.000
<v Speaker 3>off of it, reflect back and kill Thor.

1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Quick thought about deadly rays when we were talking about

1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the prison break sequence earlier, and there's a lot of

1:27:00.680 --> 1:27:03.040
<v Speaker 2>gun fire, a lot of laser fire in that. I

1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>did really like the practical effects of the laser beams

1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>hitting people in tremendous sparks flying off of the person.

1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>It made the Sometimes in films like this, the ray

1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>guns can feel very neutered and fake, but this film

1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>at least succeeds in making them feel dangerous.

1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Other times, though, people get shot with them and they

1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:27.400
<v Speaker 3>just kind of disappear or something.

1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess it depends on your setting, right, are

1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you set to disintegrate or mangle or sparkle?

1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:37.280
<v Speaker 3>What are Acton's powers and where do they come from?

1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:39.679
<v Speaker 3>What is the source of his power? Yeah?

1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>They never tell us, but I assent like, Okay, he's

1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>some sort of an alien. He is a pathfinder. He's

1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:46.519
<v Speaker 2>got to be an energy being. He's some sort of

1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>energy being, and they just feel like this is one

1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>of the rare things that they're going to show rather

1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:54.559
<v Speaker 2>than tell everything else, They're happy to keep telling us

1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>about it.

1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:58.120
<v Speaker 3>So there's this whole sequence where they bring the frozen

1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:01.759
<v Speaker 3>Stella Star the mannequin back on board and they warm

1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:04.800
<v Speaker 3>her up. We learn that she may survive if you

1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:07.679
<v Speaker 3>warn her, warm her slowly, else.

1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Give her the reverse werewolf warming. Yeah, it's what they do.

1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then Acton he shoots rainbow beams out of

1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:18.960
<v Speaker 3>his hands and this warms her up. And then after

1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Stella wakes up, there is what I thought was a

1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:25.799
<v Speaker 3>really weird development. Acton reveals that the ship doesn't actually

1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:28.720
<v Speaker 3>have a malfunction at all. The reason Thor couldn't get

1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:32.320
<v Speaker 3>it to take off is because Acton removed a key

1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:37.439
<v Speaker 3>component from the engine. Stella deduces from this that Acton

1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:42.479
<v Speaker 3>knew about Thor's treachery in advance. But then instead of asking, like,

1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:44.640
<v Speaker 3>what gave it away? You know, how did you know

1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:47.160
<v Speaker 3>he was going to betray us, she just jumps right

1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>to the conclusion you can see into the future, and

1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:53.720
<v Speaker 3>she's right. Acton can see into the future. He has

1:28:53.840 --> 1:28:57.799
<v Speaker 3>previously undisclosed esp that allows him to know the future

1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:01.200
<v Speaker 3>in advance. And then Stella says, all these years you

1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.920
<v Speaker 3>never told me. Think of all the trouble I might

1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:07.559
<v Speaker 3>have avoided, but act on counters, you would have tried

1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:11.080
<v Speaker 3>to change the future, which is against the law. So

1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>therefore I can tell you nothing.

1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:16.800
<v Speaker 3>I love the last we hear about that.

1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this. They've set it up like this

1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is some huge revelation that's going to really play into

1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the plot, and it doesn't. It's just like, oh, yeah,

1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>by the way, he can see the future. He just

1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell you because it would be wrong for you

1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>to act on it. It would be against the law,

1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:32.479
<v Speaker 2>be illegal, like.

1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:34.400
<v Speaker 3>They might send us to a prison planet.

1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, suddenly these smugglers are very concerned with breaking the law.

1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You don't want the Time cops on

1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>your back. It's different when the Time cops come after you.

1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:45.680
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point. So but Stella really takes this

1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:47.800
<v Speaker 3>in stride. She just kind of shakes it off. They

1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>go onto the next thing. So they're going to go

1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.160
<v Speaker 3>to the third escape pod planet, this time on a

1:29:52.160 --> 1:30:05.639
<v Speaker 3>barren waste land called de Mundia. So while approaching d Mundia,

1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:09.519
<v Speaker 3>everything starts malfunctioning. We see red monsters. Remember again that's

1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:13.040
<v Speaker 3>the lava lamp and the red lights everywhere. Elle says,

1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:16.320
<v Speaker 3>my circuits are failing. I'm out of control. I'm out

1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:21.760
<v Speaker 3>of control. Meanwhile, Stella says, ah, my head, and somehow

1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Acton pilots them through it. And then when everything is

1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.839
<v Speaker 3>back to normal, Acton says, we've just survived an attack

1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:33.439
<v Speaker 3>of the most powerful weapon in the entire galaxy. I

1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:36.600
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I mean, we just saw them go through it,

1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:38.719
<v Speaker 3>and we've seen the same weapon used on other people.

1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Lots of people surprised. It seems like explosives are probably

1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:43.040
<v Speaker 3>more powerful.

1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I would think, so.

1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So they go down to the planet's surface and

1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:50.800
<v Speaker 3>they find the ship down to the bottom of a

1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:53.720
<v Speaker 3>big crater. This is where we start seeing somebody in

1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:58.280
<v Speaker 3>a gold Zardas mask following them, and Stella says she's

1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:02.040
<v Speaker 3>going to go investigate the crater. L goes instead, and

1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:06.519
<v Speaker 3>then there is a troglodyte ambush. So yeah, they're attacked

1:31:06.520 --> 1:31:07.760
<v Speaker 3>by cave men.

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's really kind of hilarious the visions for

1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>these different planets and granted their budget constraints in place.

1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:19.559
<v Speaker 2>But let's see we have amazonium planet, snow planet, and

1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>now caveman planet. Right makes sense?

1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. Yeah. So the cavemen have big stone axes

1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:28.559
<v Speaker 3>other paleolithic tools they smash el to pieces like see

1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:30.880
<v Speaker 3>three po in the Tuscan Raiders. So these are you know,

1:31:30.920 --> 1:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I think they're Tuscan Raiders or yeah, And they carry

1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Stella back to their cave. I think the planet is

1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:41.480
<v Speaker 3>they're going to eat her. That this camp suggests cannibalism.

1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have her hanging from the ceiling in a

1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:45.679
<v Speaker 2>way that suggests she's meat now.

1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so they're going to eat her later and

1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:51.120
<v Speaker 3>then they just I guess it's time now, so they're

1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.200
<v Speaker 3>going to come cut her throat and drain her blood.

1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:56.000
<v Speaker 3>But Stella is rescued at the last second by the

1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:59.360
<v Speaker 3>stranger in the Zarda's mask. So the mask shoots lasers

1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:03.639
<v Speaker 3>out of its eyes and drives the trogolodites away. When

1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Stella and the stranger get to safety, the stranger takes

1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:10.080
<v Speaker 3>off the mask and reveals it's David Hasselhoff. There he is,

1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.120
<v Speaker 3>and when I wanted to note when he takes this

1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:16.000
<v Speaker 3>helmet off. He does not have helmet hair. His hair

1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:21.360
<v Speaker 3>is voluminous. It is not matted down at all. Continuity error.

1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a big helmet. I think there's a

1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of room in there that allows the hair to

1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>be free.

1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:29.160
<v Speaker 3>So we learn that this is Simon, the only survivor

1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>of the wreck of the Imperial mission ship, the one

1:32:31.760 --> 1:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>sent to search for Zarthorne's weapon planet. They share information

1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>about what they've been through and then they try to

1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>leave the cave, but they get jumped by cavemen. They

1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:43.760
<v Speaker 3>put up a good fight, but they're outnumbered, and then

1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>rescue comes in the form of who is he going

1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:48.120
<v Speaker 3>to be? Who's going to rescue them? Who keeps rescuing it?

1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:52.280
<v Speaker 3>But everybody every time it's Acton. But this time he

1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>is armed with a new weapon. It is some kind

1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:59.280
<v Speaker 3>of energy based sword, like a sword where the blade

1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:02.840
<v Speaker 3>is made out of a laser. Could you imagine it? Oh? Yes,

1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:06.800
<v Speaker 3>they did it, folks. So the cavemen surround Stella like

1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>they're they're really like, they get her down on the

1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:10.920
<v Speaker 3>ground like they're going to do a Kernel Rhodes from

1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Day of the Dead. You get all the guts out. Yeah,

1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't happen because Acton comes in swinging the

1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:18.920
<v Speaker 3>lightsaber and he drives them away.

1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>It is It is an interesting experience having watched so

1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:28.479
<v Speaker 2>many grimy Italian and Spanish films from this era that

1:33:28.560 --> 1:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>you keep expecting things to take grimier turns than they do.

1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, like, this is

1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a very PG film, This is for the child.

1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is less nasty than some of the other

1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:41.360
<v Speaker 3>movies that have this kind of flavor, but take it

1:33:41.400 --> 1:33:42.759
<v Speaker 3>in a more X rated direction.

1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, so she's not ripped in half, but

1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>man does Acton ever rip into some cavemen with this

1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>lightsaber like they doesn't get graphic, but man is just

1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:54.080
<v Speaker 2>he has just slicing bellies left and right here with

1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Yeah.

1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:59.120
<v Speaker 3>So Acton explains that he has reached a conclusion. He

1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:02.200
<v Speaker 3>says they can stop looking for Zarthorn's weapon planet because

1:34:02.240 --> 1:34:05.320
<v Speaker 3>it's this one. This is the one. Okay, we're done.

1:34:05.680 --> 1:34:08.240
<v Speaker 3>He explains why. He says, you know, the Amazon Queen

1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:10.400
<v Speaker 3>told you in a scene that I wasn't present for

1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:14.240
<v Speaker 3>that there are two guardians of the weapon Planet. Well,

1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:16.559
<v Speaker 3>here you've got the red monsters we went through and

1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the Troglodides.

1:34:17.479 --> 1:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean that settles it, really, So that's also the

1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>two big guardians of this super space weapon are red

1:34:23.640 --> 1:34:24.919
<v Speaker 2>blobs and cavemen.

1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:28.920
<v Speaker 3>That's right. Yes, So they walk through the cave to

1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.840
<v Speaker 3>a door that leads to the secret weapon. It is

1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:36.120
<v Speaker 3>that simple. And you know while they're going there, Acton

1:34:36.160 --> 1:34:39.080
<v Speaker 3>explains it is from this facility that Zarthorn will control

1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:42.600
<v Speaker 3>the entire universe. So they go into another room with

1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:46.200
<v Speaker 3>all these little bubble dome stations lining the walls, and

1:34:46.320 --> 1:34:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Acton says, here's the nerve center of the entire operation.

1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Stella says, this is unbelievable, fantastic pre programmed computers. They

1:34:55.240 --> 1:34:56.200
<v Speaker 3>could run forever.

1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>That's great, and I mean I've said it once, I've

1:34:59.360 --> 1:35:02.200
<v Speaker 2>said it a thousand times. The worst thing about getting

1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>a new computer is having to program it from just

1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:07.439
<v Speaker 2>starting from ground zero on it. Wish we could get

1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a pre program one for once.

1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:13.880
<v Speaker 3>So they learned that this room generates the red monsters,

1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:17.040
<v Speaker 3>but that the red monsters are not real. They are

1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:20.560
<v Speaker 3>only mental projections in our brains. So they're going to

1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:24.040
<v Speaker 3>head for the control panel. This is a scene that

1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:27.200
<v Speaker 3>really highlights you start noticing all of the characters have

1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:29.840
<v Speaker 3>these rigid thongs giving them wedgies. Yeah.

1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially when things get action oriented, You're like, oh wow,

1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:34.519
<v Speaker 2>that is a lot of thongs.

1:35:35.640 --> 1:35:39.400
<v Speaker 3>And then there's an exchange I didn't understand. Acton says

1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:43.519
<v Speaker 3>destiny must take its course, but then Stella says, no,

1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:46.639
<v Speaker 3>we can't allow this to happen, and then Simon says

1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:49.160
<v Speaker 3>we must destroy it. At once, I was like, what

1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.640
<v Speaker 3>are they arguing about? Is Acton saying they should let

1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:54.479
<v Speaker 3>Zarthorn keep the weapon and not do anything about it?

1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Nay? I guess he sees something in the future that

1:35:57.080 --> 1:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>is impacting his decision making here, but is not bothering

1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>to tell us the viewer about what's up.

1:36:04.439 --> 1:36:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Zarthorn ambushes them. He comes in with a bunch

1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:12.120
<v Speaker 3>of his henchmen, do dopey looking henchman again, Robot oil

1:36:12.240 --> 1:36:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Soun's kind of henchman.

1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>But the cape looks amazing, Cape looks.

1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Great, and his two stop motion robot duckman with the machetes,

1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:24.200
<v Speaker 3>and Zarthorn tells them that, you know, he keeps trying

1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:26.479
<v Speaker 3>to kill them, but they survive every trap he lays

1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:29.160
<v Speaker 3>for them. But now he's got him because in less

1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:31.760
<v Speaker 3>than an hour quote, all that will be left of

1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:35.519
<v Speaker 3>this planet will be ashes and cosmic dust forever. Then

1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:40.280
<v Speaker 3>you will be among the dead. Also the Emperor Christopher Plummer,

1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:42.799
<v Speaker 3>he's going to be killed in the explosion too, because

1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Count Zarthorn has lured him here on the promise that

1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:49.120
<v Speaker 3>his son David Hasselhoff would be handed over to him.

1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:52.320
<v Speaker 3>So the Emperor will be here any minute, and Zarthurne

1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:54.759
<v Speaker 3>says he will be here just in time to join

1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:59.599
<v Speaker 3>in the fireworks. And then so Zarthorn leaves, but leaves

1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the two golums to keep the heroes in the room

1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:05.479
<v Speaker 3>at any cost. He says, kill them if you have to,

1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:10.080
<v Speaker 3>And this turns into a lightsaber versus duck machete robot

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:14.519
<v Speaker 3>duck machete battle, and Acton fights the two droids. I

1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:17.080
<v Speaker 3>think he kills one of them, but then Acton is

1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:19.880
<v Speaker 3>wounded and then Simon has to pick up the lightsaber

1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and take over the fight. Any description of this fight here?

1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:25.160
<v Speaker 3>I thought, this one's pretty fun. I think this is

1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the best action scene in the film.

1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, obviously we can compare this to you know,

1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Harry Holsan's you know, the scenes with the Skeleton men

1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>let's see which one was that from that.

1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:38.839
<v Speaker 3>Was Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger.

1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from the Tiger. So we definitely can compare it

1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>to that. Not as good as that, but but not

1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:47.479
<v Speaker 2>bad either. Like this is this in this scene, the

1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>stop motion in the live action is pretty well integrated

1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:52.479
<v Speaker 2>enough that you know it's telling a story. You can

1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>get into the action.

1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know that. So Simon defeats the other robot.

1:37:57.880 --> 1:38:01.960
<v Speaker 3>But then Acton is dying. Oh no, and they go

1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:04.360
<v Speaker 3>talk to him and Acton says, don't worry you and

1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the Prince will live and Stella is like, no, Acton,

1:38:07.080 --> 1:38:09.439
<v Speaker 3>you can't die, get up, and then he has a

1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:11.360
<v Speaker 3>great line what I think he wrote this.

1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I had to note both of these because this is

1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:17.479
<v Speaker 2>just this is absurd. This is it's so absurd as beautiful.

1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Acton says, I'm no longer useful at this time. What

1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:24.400
<v Speaker 2>who would say it like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody?

1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>But then Stella comes in with I can't leave you.

1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>You're the only human like friend I've ever had. I

1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>don't understand you never die, you never die. Yeah, but

1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:39.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're the only human like friend I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 3>What But he's so they're saying he's not human. I

1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:45.719
<v Speaker 3>think they're saying, oh, he's an alien.

1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's had never had she has no other friend.

1:38:49.680 --> 1:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just seems very unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>So acton he fades into a screen from an oscillator,

1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, and then the Emperor arrives again, wearing this

1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:03.360
<v Speaker 3>hilarious outfit with the metal of the full body chastity

1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:07.040
<v Speaker 3>belt as you called it, and they don't leave the room.

1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:10.680
<v Speaker 3>They're still in the same weapon control room. But the

1:39:10.720 --> 1:39:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Emperor comes in with all of his troops and now

1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:15.240
<v Speaker 3>they've got a problem. They're like, oh, father, you're here.

1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:18.720
<v Speaker 3>The planet will explode in forty eight seconds. And then

1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:21.280
<v Speaker 3>the Emperor says, you know, my son, I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>Emperor of the galaxy if I didn't have some powers

1:39:24.120 --> 1:39:30.160
<v Speaker 3>at my disposal Imperial battleship halt the flow of time. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this film is big on suddenly revealing just absurd

1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:40.280
<v Speaker 2>cosmic powers for characters and then but then not doing

1:39:40.320 --> 1:39:43.760
<v Speaker 2>anything else with those powers, Like everybody's superability is a

1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:45.040
<v Speaker 2>complete one shot.

1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh, you didn't know I had the Green Lantern ring. Yeah,

1:39:48.720 --> 1:39:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I never mentioned that, So that like a green rays

1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:57.200
<v Speaker 3>apps the planet. Everything turns green, and then the Emperor explains, quote,

1:39:57.200 --> 1:40:00.320
<v Speaker 3>for the space of three minutes, every molecule on this

1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:03.840
<v Speaker 3>planet will be immobilized. But after the third minute, the

1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>green ray loses its power, time will flow once more

1:40:07.520 --> 1:40:13.160
<v Speaker 3>and everything will explode. And Simon says, okay, three minutes

1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>is enough. They leave and then everything explodes. So now

1:40:17.040 --> 1:40:20.200
<v Speaker 3>we are barreling toward the conclusion. The Emperor comes up

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<v Speaker 3>with the plan. All of his legions are going to

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<v Speaker 3>launch a surprise attack on Count Zarthorn's headquarters before he

1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>can prepare for them. This will save billions of lives.

1:40:28.960 --> 1:40:30.880
<v Speaker 3>But at this point I was thinking, I've seen this

1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:33.960
<v Speaker 3>movie multiple times. What are they saving the lives? Like,

1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:36.080
<v Speaker 3>what are the stakes here? What's going to happen if

1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Zartharn wins?

1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And then the way that he is going to

1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>save billions of lives he quickly reveals is they are

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<v Speaker 2>going to crash an enormous floating space city a city, yeah,

1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:53.880
<v Speaker 2>into Zartharn's headquarters or whatever. It seems awfully destructive. I'm

1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:58.519
<v Speaker 2>assuming they're going to evacuate everyone first from the space city,

1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but they don't really flesh that out.

1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:03.000
<v Speaker 3>No, you would hope they evacuate, but they don't talk

1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:06.200
<v Speaker 3>about that. That's the backup plan. The first thing is, well,

1:41:06.240 --> 1:41:08.439
<v Speaker 3>first of all, we check in with Count Zartharn who's

1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:11.000
<v Speaker 3>giving a speech to his troops, and he says, by sunset,

1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.639
<v Speaker 3>I'll be the new emperor and I will be master

1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>of the whole universe. Yeah, it's sunset and they're not

1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:23.280
<v Speaker 3>on a planet, Master of the whole universe. But so

1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:25.560
<v Speaker 3>this leads into the space battle. So the Emperor is

1:41:25.560 --> 1:41:28.280
<v Speaker 3>going to attack zarthorne ship before they get to the

1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:33.320
<v Speaker 3>city crash. Again, this battle has almost no dramatic interest

1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:35.599
<v Speaker 3>early on, at least, it's just you know, the gold

1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:39.559
<v Speaker 3>space ship zipping around shooting lasers at the clawhand ship.

1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:43.080
<v Speaker 3>Now the battle, I think it's very funny once it

1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:46.480
<v Speaker 3>goes to the boarding parties, when they shoot these torpedoes

1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:50.360
<v Speaker 3>full of soldiers through the windows. We learned that Zarthorne's

1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:53.040
<v Speaker 3>ship has windows, not like a space ship windows, it

1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:54.360
<v Speaker 3>has windows like a house.

1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you shoot these torpedoes through which then

1:41:57.479 --> 1:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>open up like caskets and the troops climb out, which

1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know, you could certainly, you know,

1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>argue about how sensible. This is, but it looks really cool.

1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I like this. I was like I was I. I

1:42:09.240 --> 1:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>dug it every time it happened and kept hoping it

1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>would happen again, and luckily it kept happening.

1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:17.519
<v Speaker 3>But it's so funny. Zarthorn is walking around while his

1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:21.120
<v Speaker 3>troops are shooting at the Emperor's troops, and Zarthorn just

1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:24.839
<v Speaker 3>keeps saying kill, kill over there, kill.

1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's really micromanaging here. You know, you don't

1:42:28.120 --> 1:42:31.080
<v Speaker 2>have to tell us about which enemy troop we need

1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>to kill. We need to kill that one and that one.

1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Just trust us to do our killing, sir.

1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, kill over there. Yeah. So ultimately the attack fails

1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:42.200
<v Speaker 3>as Zarthorn retains control of his ship, and Zarthurn says,

1:42:42.240 --> 1:42:44.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, we got to use the doom Machine. We're

1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:46.720
<v Speaker 3>going to send it toward the Emperor's capital world and

1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:50.479
<v Speaker 3>destroy the imperial planet. And then at this point he

1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:53.400
<v Speaker 3>just shouts his own name. He screams Zarthorn.

1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking during all this it would be a

1:42:55.400 --> 1:42:58.120
<v Speaker 2>pretty great name for a band, Zarthorn and the Doom Machine.

1:42:58.320 --> 1:43:01.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that would be great. If not Alorg he's taken,

1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:05.680
<v Speaker 3>we should should we cut this part out, so we

1:43:06.240 --> 1:43:07.400
<v Speaker 3>reserve that for ourselves.

1:43:07.479 --> 1:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if someone were to really do it up,

1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:12.400
<v Speaker 2>if someone could dress up as Zarthorn and then the

1:43:12.439 --> 1:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>band members could be dressed like the the Goons and

1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the and the Gollumns here, that would be pretty cool.

1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.479
<v Speaker 3>It's a beautiful thing. So it looks like, you know,

1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:23.719
<v Speaker 3>are the heroes defeated? Stella Star thinks, so, as usual,

1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:26.519
<v Speaker 3>she counsels despair. She says, there's no way to win.

1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:30.439
<v Speaker 3>Zarthorne has defeated us. But the Emperor says, no, there

1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:32.880
<v Speaker 3>is a way. There's one way left if we're forced

1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to use it, we can use star Crash and Simon.

1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Simon realizes what his father is saying. He says, a

1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:44.360
<v Speaker 3>fourth dimensional attack. So that's what they're gonna do. This

1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:46.320
<v Speaker 3>is what you were talking about earlier. The only way

1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:48.240
<v Speaker 3>for them to win is for the greatest pilot in

1:43:48.280 --> 1:43:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the universe, stell A Star, to pilot the floating city,

1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:57.160
<v Speaker 3>which is something in a fourth dimensional attack against the Count,

1:43:58.200 --> 1:44:00.160
<v Speaker 3>and so that you know, they get everything ready, they

1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:04.080
<v Speaker 3>put her in the pilot seat and then Hasselhoff reveals, oh,

1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:06.759
<v Speaker 3>by the way, your robot friend l that got smashed

1:44:06.800 --> 1:44:09.720
<v Speaker 3>to pieces he's okay, and they bring him out and

1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:12.200
<v Speaker 3>he's like, hey, there feels good to be turned on again.

1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I have to say this movie has less foreshadowing than

1:44:16.080 --> 1:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I think any film I've ever seriously thought about. You know, like,

1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:23.519
<v Speaker 2>there are all these major twists, and there's nothing to

1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:27.240
<v Speaker 2>tease them out earlier on, even just a little bit.

1:44:28.439 --> 1:44:31.240
<v Speaker 3>So you can guess what happens from here. They're basically

1:44:31.280 --> 1:44:34.320
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna ram Zarthorn with a floating city, and then

1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Stella and the robot l they jump out a window

1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:43.200
<v Speaker 3>into space before it hits and they do that and

1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:43.759
<v Speaker 3>it works.

1:44:43.920 --> 1:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Different space suit this time. This one's a little bit

1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:49.120
<v Speaker 2>more traditional. I think I liked the toilet headed one

1:44:49.160 --> 1:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>from earlier more I thought that one was weirder looking.

1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:55.440
<v Speaker 3>The clear toilet was better, I agree. And then Zarthorn

1:44:55.600 --> 1:44:58.040
<v Speaker 3>is like, his troops are telling him they're gonna ram us.

1:44:58.080 --> 1:45:00.879
<v Speaker 3>We have to escape, and he's like, come back, you fools,

1:45:00.920 --> 1:45:04.479
<v Speaker 3>you cowards. And then the last thing Zarthorne says is

1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:05.439
<v Speaker 3>zaar Thor.

1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I was really hoping that he would get a Wrath

1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of Khan moment where he's like, you know, busted up

1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know, from the heart of Hell I stab

1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:18.639
<v Speaker 2>at the but yeah, he didn't get that option.

1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:21.880
<v Speaker 3>And then the last thing we get, oh so uh,

1:45:23.000 --> 1:45:28.280
<v Speaker 3>we get the reunion of Stella and Stella Star and

1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:31.080
<v Speaker 3>David Hasselhoff. Now they're in love and they stand there

1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:34.439
<v Speaker 3>like looking at each other. And then the robot is like, oh, oh,

1:45:35.080 --> 1:45:37.280
<v Speaker 3>I guess he's figuring out what's happening.

1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>And nobody remembers poor Acton completely Dick.

1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:43.360
<v Speaker 3>He's nobody cares about him anymore. And then we cut

1:45:43.400 --> 1:45:45.559
<v Speaker 3>away to the Emperor. The Emperor is gonna play us

1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:48.160
<v Speaker 3>out here. So the Emperor has the last line of

1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the film. He said, this is this is his monologue.

1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I wrote it down. Well. By the way, he's sitting

1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:57.040
<v Speaker 3>on a throne that looks like the super U logo

1:45:57.320 --> 1:45:58.760
<v Speaker 3>like the car company.

1:45:58.479 --> 1:46:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Does kind of. I mean, it's it's it's looks really cool,

1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:03.120
<v Speaker 2>but that's looking superlego super logo.

1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:07.559
<v Speaker 3>He says, well, it's done. It's happened. The stars are clear,

1:46:08.080 --> 1:46:13.160
<v Speaker 3>the planets shine, weave won. Oh some dark force, no doubt,

1:46:13.200 --> 1:46:17.240
<v Speaker 3>will show its face once more. The wheel will always turn.

1:46:17.680 --> 1:46:20.679
<v Speaker 3>But for now it's calm, and for a little time

1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:22.719
<v Speaker 3>at least we can rest.

1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:25.639
<v Speaker 2>It's like a lullabus.

1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Star Crash we can rest? Does the tagline of

1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:33.640
<v Speaker 3>the movie should be now for a little time, we

1:46:33.720 --> 1:46:34.280
<v Speaker 3>can rest.

1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or they could have gone with it happened. It

1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>definitely happened, Star Crash.

1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:43.519
<v Speaker 3>It's done. It happened. Well. That that I think is

1:46:43.680 --> 1:46:48.600
<v Speaker 3>the greatest of the Star Wars knockoff films and a

1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:50.000
<v Speaker 3>really beautiful experience.

1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, it is a beautiful experience. Yeah, if

1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:58.080
<v Speaker 2>you were looking for a film with ludicrous dialogue but

1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:04.479
<v Speaker 2>also some very interesting visuals, like you really you really

1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>have to see Star Crash, Star Crashes is absolutely must see.

1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:10.679
<v Speaker 2>And like I say, if you if you dig watching

1:47:10.760 --> 1:47:13.439
<v Speaker 2>rift content that m S T three K episode believe

1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:16.679
<v Speaker 2>that was I think I said earlier Jonah episode very good.

1:47:16.800 --> 1:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Check it out. But also, this is a film that

1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>absolutely stands on its own.

1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is.

1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>It is quite an experience, but it also might break

1:47:25.640 --> 1:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>something inside of you. Just so be aware, know your

1:47:28.000 --> 1:47:31.679
<v Speaker 2>own limits, know your own strengths when when it comes

1:47:31.680 --> 1:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>to films like this.

1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely Okay, I think that does it.

1:47:35.120 --> 1:47:38.160
<v Speaker 2>For me, all right, Yeah yeah, and hey, maybe we'll

1:47:38.160 --> 1:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>have to come back to contamination in the future. Yeah,

1:47:43.560 --> 1:47:46.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, so we love to hear from everyone out there.

1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you have personal experience with Star Crash? You write in,

1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:52.599
<v Speaker 2>let us know about it. Where'd you first see it?

1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>What do you what do you think about it? I'd

1:47:55.040 --> 1:47:57.080
<v Speaker 2>love to hear from anyone who saw it, like in

1:47:57.120 --> 1:48:00.200
<v Speaker 2>the wake of the original Star Wars. You know, what

1:48:00.240 --> 1:48:04.240
<v Speaker 2>was that like to have this film injected into into

1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the immediate cinematic environment. But you know, any any kind

1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:12.040
<v Speaker 2>of connections you have with the film? Yeah, yeah, write

1:48:12.040 --> 1:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>in let's talk about it. Just a reminder that Stuff

1:48:15.080 --> 1:48:17.599
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