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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me, alcoholic suicide and metaphysical spiritual wreck who

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Speaker 1: Jim I Sagen gets shaw and killing, then my farm

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Speaker 1: and eye. So I was dealing with all of that.

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Speaker 1: Please lock on it. It was the music or the music.

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Speaker 1: I look at it like this, The music had healed

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Speaker 1: me already.

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Speaker 2: I'm Len Hoffman and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast,

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Speaker 2: the podcast where we get to talk in depth to

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Speaker 2: up and coming artists and musicians as well as some

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Speaker 2: of the biggest names in the business about the healing

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Speaker 2: powers of music. On this episode, you are in for

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Speaker 2: a huge treat. I'm so excited to welcome one of

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Speaker 2: the very biggest names in music in the world. In fact,

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Speaker 2: his band run DMC is credited as being the greatest

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Speaker 2: Beatles of Rap. It's like I have a Beatle here.

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Speaker 2: I like to refer to him not only as the Goat,

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Speaker 2: of the most giving humans that I've ever met on

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Speaker 2: mc welcome to.

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Speaker 1: Music saved me. Thanks for having me. It's so great

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Speaker 1: to have you here.

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Speaker 2: I would it be fair to say that music saved you?

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Speaker 1: I hit you with the one right up front right. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I could say that, but I went and said that

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Speaker 1: in my life. Can you But I can say music

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Speaker 1: saved me from having to figure out what I was

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Speaker 1: going to do for career. That's right, and literally saved

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Speaker 1: my life after that, after I got into the career

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Speaker 1: of music, it saved my life. Put in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I was at Saint John's University. I went to Saint

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Speaker 1: John's for business management only because my best friend Douglas

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Speaker 1: and says, pick a career, pick a college. I didn't

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Speaker 1: Saint John's University. So I did that, and then first

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Speaker 1: What so now? Anxiety and fear and confusion and abandonment

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Speaker 1: and alienation and just hitting me. And I turned around.

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Speaker 1: this and that. So that was a journey. That was

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Speaker 1: what four years ago when I said if I ever

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Speaker 2: It sure did, and then later on cutting through quite

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Speaker 2: a bit of your life and career, because I don't

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Speaker 2: know a lot of artists that put out their first

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Speaker 2: Usually it's all the way around, and then everyone do

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Speaker 1: We had a three. I kind of look at that

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Speaker 1: It was like trifecta. Yeah, we put the first album OUNT,

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Speaker 1: eighty four. Then in eighty five, when they were saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: doing next year? So I got offended. I was like,

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Speaker 1: who Well, music did a lot, but it definitely saved

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sure did well. Before we go there, I

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Speaker 2: fifty years of hip hop. Well you didn't say it.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it. Last year celebrated fifty years and it

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be a flash in the pan.

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Speaker 1: They were telling you, right, I I thought it would

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Speaker 2: You had everything to do with it. You run, Jason,

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Speaker 2: you did it all. I mean you took something that

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Speaker 1: We did on Adidas. I say, what Run DMC did.

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Speaker 1: We took the beat from the street and put it

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Speaker 1: in a dictionary, encyclopedia or online, now your face J. No, No, definitely,

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Speaker 1: we definitely did that, that's the answer. Yeah, we definitely

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Speaker 1: I probably was. Let me see, it was after kindergarten

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Speaker 1: Harry Harrison, that's the stud chuck in my life. That's

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Speaker 1: I didn't learn this till later. There's a line in

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Speaker 1: hop guy. They used music as therapy for kids, for

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Speaker 1: adults and everything. People with memory loss, people with brain problems,

427
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: people with comas and concussions. They use music to you

428
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: play a song, the person that didn't move or flinch

429
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: will start moving their head. What's happened in that foot?

430
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: Or people would speak things. You got to learn to

431
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: speak all over again. Oh, don't give them phonics, but

432
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: you don't say put a song on, I start singing.

433
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: So it definitely has because it's music. Is the vibration

434
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: of life percent on it.

435
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: When it got late later in your career, and you

436
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: were talking about it earlier, about how the management would

437
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: start telling you, oh, after all this what to do and.

438
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: How to do it, and you do it and you're

439
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: just doing it and everything that somebody would want in

440
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the music business is happening. But once it's happening, people

441
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: that don't understand the business, no, the life and the

442
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: joy and the data. They're not coming from where you are.

443
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: So you're getting you're getting charted, you're getting on the radio,

444
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: you're touring, and you're making money. People around you start

445
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: saying you need to chart, you need to get on

446
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: the radio, you need to tour, you need to make money.

447
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: That's when I started going, I need to so not

448
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: just because they're saying that I'm getting scared, Oh my god,

449
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: what if I let people down? And then all of

450
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: that comes in anxiety, and and then I said, doctor,

451
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: if I need to do it, what you have to

452
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: start thinking what if I can't. So then I started

453
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: reaching for something outside of my body to give me strength,

454
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: which was the alcohol, to help me deal with those

455
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: emotions and feelings.

456
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also tried to make you play music

457
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: that you didn't even want to play.

458
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah against the rappers big and stuff like that, and

459
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: against Jane Rest in peace. But remember New Jack swing up? Yes, yes, yeh.

460
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: Talk about this in my book Jay One. Jay was

461
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: the guy, the new style. You know, Jay, he was

462
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: the he was the he was, he was the how

463
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: you say that, the current, He was the flavor. So

464
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: anything just the gold change shake. I never brought a

465
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: gold change in my life. Jay brought me my dookie world.

466
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want one. So Jay was like, Yo, we

467
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: gotta do these New Jack and they were all right records,

468
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and I did them, knowing it wasn't for me though.

469
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know the reality of doing something to ease

470
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: others and it will kill you, yes, because I started

471
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: drinking myself to death. My therapist was told me, do

472
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: you What she should have did is say you sit

473
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: down and say no, yes, no, no, come back to me.

474
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: When y'all get yourself your system. I'll be But I didn't.

475
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: No, you didn't, And that would probably bring you around

476
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: to the next time that music saved you. We'll be

477
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: right back with more of the Music Saved Me podcast.

478
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you like this podcast, you

479
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: are going to love our companion podcast called Taking a Walk.

480
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: It's hosted by my dear friend Buzz Night and you

481
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: can find it wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back

482
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: to the Music Saved Me podcast, the podcast where we

483
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: discussed the healing powers of music with some of the

484
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: biggest names in music as well as up and comers.

485
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: I remember you told me a story the first time,

486
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: maybe the second time I met you. I think it

487
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: was VH one, and we sat on the couch and

488
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: it was all very professional, and you told me a

489
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: story and my jaw hit the floor. I think it

490
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: was around the time you went to search for your

491
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: birth mom.

492
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and that was right. I was an alcoholic

493
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: suicide of metaphysical correct. But that's a funny, Joe. It came.

494
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: All of this came in a good time. All through

495
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: the eighties everything we just talked about, and the nineties

496
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: hip hop had changed. We were still run demn Cibard,

497
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: Jet Tupac, Biggie n w A, Slick Rick, Naughty by Nature,

498
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: Chop or Daylight sold It. We were still run DMC,

499
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: but we wasn't participating as much. But then in nineteen

500
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: ninety three, one of the guys who were inspired by

501
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: us run Pete Rock, Pete Rock, seal smooth, they reminiss

502
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: over range.

503
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Oh he didn't he do that the King? He produced

504
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: down with the car, Down with the King. That's right, right,

505
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: he produces down with the King. This is funny. People

506
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: do this down with the King. Oh this is even deeper.

507
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Everybody people saying run demn C brought Aerosmith back by

508
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: doing walked this way over with them. Yea, So the

509
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: same thing that we did for Aerosmith in eighty six,

510
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Pete Rock did for us in ninety three when he

511
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: did Down with the King. For us, him and CEO

512
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: did our first verses off of Succrum Ceas gallenty Ting

513
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: put us back on a chart, back on the radio,

514
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: back on MTV with the video, and back on the roll.

515
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: So here we all were back again. As soon as

516
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: that happened to me, I woke up the next day

517
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: wanting to kill myself. Oh no know why just all

518
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: of this happen. We're back on a roll, back on MTV,

519
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: back on the chart, back tour, and now we're touring

520
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: and everybody from day I sold in Naughty My Nature

521
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: and tripqalk Quest, they're saying they're only where they're at

522
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: because of us. So now we're back in where the

523
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: old g's. We're back in with them. And you know,

524
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: in the eighties was getting the eighties pay day. Now

525
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: in the nineties were getting the nineties pay day. Yeah,

526
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which is now now these rappers is getting

527
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: two fifty and up. So now we're back into that

528
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: and we're back on MTV, back on the chart, back touring.

529
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: And I just woke up the next the day I

530
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: to the video down, went to King video dropped on MTV.

531
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: Easy E was in it, Redman was in it. It was chryonic,

532
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: so it was crazy. I woke up in the next

533
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: morning wanted to come and sol, not knowing why. It

534
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: was just all that happened. It was what's this? And

535
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: something in my spirits said something's missing and I couldn't

536
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: put my hand on it. And I was like, Okay,

537
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: let me look at my life from Darryl McDaniels from Alice, Queens,

538
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: New York Byferd and Banner's my mother, Alfred's my brother

539
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: runs my friend. You remember the rock son of byfriend,

540
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: brother of al Banner's my mother runs my pal. It's McDaniels,

541
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: not McDonald's these rhymes are Darrel's, those burgers are donald's.

542
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I ran down my family tree, my mother, my father,

543
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: my brother and me. Okay, and then Jay joins the group.

544
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: We put out one single, put on another single, and

545
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: then the album's first album said first to go go

546
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: first and go platinum first one the cover roller Stone

547
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: first with the Sneaker deals first with the Victor's first,

548
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: with the Dope movie. Everything that hip hop is doing.

549
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: They say it's because of me running, me running j

550
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: But why am I feeling it? And I had no

551
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: idea what it was, so I'm walking around in this hage.

552
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: But it didn't And now because the adoption thing came

553
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: because I'm feeling this void and it got uncomfortable, not

554
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: knowing what to I'm dmc the Mighty King or rot,

555
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: not knowing what to do. So my stupid brain goes,

556
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to live with this anymore. So now

557
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I killing myself. How crazy is that? But

558
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: then I go, hold up, if I die tomorrow, people

559
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: know the music, I got the albums, they got the videos,

560
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: but they don't know who Daryl is. So just in

561
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: case I kill myself, I want to write a book,

562
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: and I want to start the book. Hey world, I'm

563
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: Daryl McDaniels from the groundbreaking run DMC. You know me.

564
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: First of go go first, go platting for all of

565
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, but really, just Daryl McDaniels. I'm from Hollis Queens,

566
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: New York. I was born May thirty, first ninety. Said

567
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: then I just realized, Oh, I know my birthday, but

568
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know no details about it. So just to

569
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: make it more interesting for the reader, I call my

570
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: mother up. Now I'm looking back, I should have called mom.

571
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm feeling I'm sure, but you know, the stigma. Don't

572
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: want to be troubled with nobody's I supposed to be strong.

573
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm a black man rapper, you know what I'm saying.

574
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: So I called my mother up and instead of saying

575
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: and she's my mother, she would have did and she

576
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: was a nurse, she would have known what to do.

577
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: But let me skip past her. I just go, Mom,

578
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm writing this book, and just to make it more

579
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: interest for the reader, I want to know three things.

580
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: How much should I weigh? She told me what time

581
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I was born? She told me, well hospital, she told me,

582
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: I love you. So I love you toom. I hung up.

583
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: So now at this point in my life, I'm an

584
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: alcoholic suicide and metaphysical spiritual wreck with a void inside

585
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: them that don't know what's going on. An hour goes by,

586
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: she calls back with my father son, Hey Dad, They go,

587
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: we have something else to tell you. Now I'm thinking

588
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna go, well, when you was born, there was

589
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: a power eutish in the hospital and we gave birth

590
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: to you my handlelight something like that. No, they didn't

591
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: hit me with that. They was like this, we have

592
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: something else to tell you, And I go, what you

593
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: was a month old when we brought you home and

594
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: your adopted, but we love you by click, So madder

595
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: me dealing with all the stuff that I was dealing with.

596
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Now I just found right. They didn't know it. But

597
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: what happened was when I asked those questions, my mother

598
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: hung up and ran on my father. Byfriend, he's about

599
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: to write a book and he's asking questions. So this

600
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: thing they hid from me my whole life. Don't never

601
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: tell him he's a straight A student. They never tell

602
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: him he's on an honor row. Don't never tell him

603
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: he made it. The Saint John you first, and he

604
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. My brother, who's their biologically said, d don't

605
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: you after all this came out, don't you know if

606
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: you never asked that question, they would have never told you.

607
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: But she goes with my father. He's about to shit.

608
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: We gotta tell him. So they called me back. Now

609
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: they could have don I did better. But you gotta

610
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: understand in the nineties and seventies, you know, but I

611
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: heard they didn't even have the book that they give

612
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: to the parents. And you're telling yourself it was something

613
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: that you don't tell them. Yeah, yeah, So they called

614
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: me back and they're like, he was a month old

615
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: when we brought you home and you're adopted. So that

616
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: just crushed me in before I really killed myself. Now

617
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: to killer thing about that is, from nineteen ninety to

618
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: ninety to this revelation of finding out that I was adopted,

619
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I got to go back some I had a cute

620
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: pancreatitis in nineteen ninety because I was drinking a case

621
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: of Old English. Today and the reason why that that

622
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: is significant is a lot of harmful, harmful behaviors and

623
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: everybody's community is celebrated. The guy that could take twenty shots.

624
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: Nobody stops at at number five and says, what's wrong

625
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: the girl sleeping with every the guy that did No,

626
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: guy's fighting and beating everybody up in the neighborhood. He's

627
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: just beating everybody's ass. Nobody stops him and said, who's

628
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: abusing you or who's meeting you? So I'm going to

629
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: stuff that has been existing for eons. But so from

630
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: ninety I was drinking a case ling, not one in

631
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: a case twelve. I was so alcoholic I put a

632
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: figgerator in the back of my truck. No, I didn't

633
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: have to stop at the deli. So caught up with

634
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: me in nineteen ninety out of q pancret titus to

635
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: doctor says to me, dy, when they I was in

636
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: the hospital for like a month and a half. When

637
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: they discharged me, doctor just says, son, you have two

638
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: choices in life. You can drink and die or not

639
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: drink and live. So I was good, but now you're mourful.

640
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: When we brought you, so imagine this. I didn't know

641
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: what I didn't know about therapy. I didn't know this agency,

642
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: and so I went right back to the thing that

643
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I knew, the self medication, So I started drinking. So

644
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm drinking and drinking and drinking and drinking and drinking,

645
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: getting depressed, depressed, depressed, depressed, the press. So that was

646
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: my life when Down went the King out, I was

647
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: a functional alcoholic getting depressed, depressed, depressed, wrest So then

648
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: what manifest emotionally, Well, what's going on emotionally will manifest

649
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: itself physically. So down with the King are we back

650
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: on the road, returing by the sixth show, my voice leaves,

651
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: just bye, bye bye. So my alcoholic, depressed man who

652
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: just found out that he was adopted, who's back on

653
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: the charts with a powerhouse song, back out there doing

654
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: what I was doing in the eighties, with this void

655
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: and all this mental stuff going on, not doing any

656
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: thing about it. That alcohol is not helping. I felt

657
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: ill when I was drunk, but not realizing when the

658
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: high way down the problem sit here. So then my

659
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: voice says bye, I'm leaving. So now I go I

660
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: can't rhyme no more, thinking that's the only reason I

661
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: was put here to be. But because my voice is gone,

662
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: I think that I have no reason to be here now.

663
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: So now I'm making a decisions. I gotta kill myself

664
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: because I can't. And now I'm thinking, even without a voice,

665
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I can still live a productive, wonderful life, but in

666
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: this depressed state. So now I'm gonna kill myself. So

667
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: we come home from Europe and this is gonna be funny.

668
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: You want a good Jersey story. Oh, I was living

669
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: in Jersey at the time, So all of this has

670
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: happened to me. Lynn, the pancreatitis, now the adoption thing.

671
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: My voice is gone and I'm still run and I'm

672
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: still I should have It was better that I was

673
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: on the road struggling than sitting at because I might

674
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: have really killed myself. But running Jay was like, de

675
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: we'll help you. We gotta get this check. So now

676
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: without a voice, I still got to perform, but not

677
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: because I needed to. I don't want let run in Jada.

678
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: So I'm out the right and they're doing over dumbs.

679
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: They're playing the vocal versions in the record. So imagine

680
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: how that felt. Imagine being at a Montrose jazz festival

681
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: and can't run, but I gotta go out there and

682
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: act happy. That was killer. So in all story, show

683
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: up real quickly. This is this is gonna be funny

684
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: to everybody. So we're coming home from Europe. We go

685
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: to Europe and my travel agent calls, Now, this is

686
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna be funny because you are everybody here travels. It

687
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: could have been anything. It could have been like some

688
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: traumatic event. Could have been an earthquake, a tornado. For

689
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: my My trowel agent calls me, and this is funny,

690
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: Shelley d Nunzio. She's scared to tell me that. She said,

691
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Darryl old On, I don't know how to tell you this.

692
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: What is it, Shelley, there's no flights into Newark. You

693
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: gotta go to JFK. How what she tells me that

694
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: I go, I'm definitely killing myself down in this song,

695
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: and you don't want to go to JFK. True story,

696
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: lend that little thing. I don't all. I'm already on

697
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: my alcoholic bankrupt she and she's scared to tell me this.

698
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: You gotta go to JFK. There's no other no. And

699
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: in my mind when I get home, I'm killing myself

700
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: what because that's how bad it was. But people can't

701
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: understand want to go to JFK. So that was God's

702
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: message to me. Yes, it's that bad. So I get

703
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: to JFK. I'm thinking, Am I gonna drink? Oh? No,

704
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: am I gonna drink the poison? Am I gonna shoot myself?

705
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: Am I gonna hang myself? I'm thinking about it. There

706
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: was times, and I gotta be honest, there was times

707
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: where oh I said, I'm gonna take a gun and

708
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: go to the morning and kill people. Whoa WHOA true?

709
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: Because you're gonna that was there? Just yeah, that's how

710
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: bad it were. So I get to JFK and it's

711
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: a guy standing there with the sign real professional, that's me. Cool?

712
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: How many ba? I got two bags? So I'm pissed

713
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: with all other stuff that's really more important to be

714
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: wearing about Darrow. But that was just the sum to

715
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: sum it all up. So we get in the car

716
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: and we're leaving j f K and the drivers I'm here,

717
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, on the passenger I'm on the passenger's side

718
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: in the back, and the drivers in the front, and

719
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, you got the rear view venue. So I'm

720
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: like this, but I feel something and I look up

721
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: into the mirror and it was the drive. He was

722
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: looking at me because he can't believe DMC's backing. But

723
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: every time I would look up. He would turn his

724
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: head and he did it like two times. And we

725
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: coming out of JFK. It's like three lights. So I said,

726
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: when we get to the last night, I'm gonna be

727
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror. When he turns to look at me,

728
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit eye to eye. So we hit eye

729
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: of eye. Boom boom, boom boom. And in that moment

730
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: he's driving and he just turns to me. I said, DC,

731
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: please don't tell nobody this man. Your music saved me.

732
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: It got me to the roughest tombs in my life.

733
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: I had the worst Paris ever, and every time my

734
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: knuckle had Paris do do something, I would go into

735
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: my bedroom with my Raisin Helk. It's that tape and

736
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: that thing would make me feel that I was in heaven.

737
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: So I'm like and then he goes, can y'all get

738
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: an autograph? And I'm like, I'll take a What you doing?

739
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: So he opened? Now right he's open. He's like, oh,

740
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: really cool. So we driving. He says, said, just make

741
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: sure you don't tell my boy. So we're driving it

742
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: because I'm DMC in New York City. He goes, could

743
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I turn the radio on now? The last thing I

744
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: wanted to hear was any music. I can't speak, I

745
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: can't go on. The last thing I wanted to hear

746
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: was any hip hop music because I can't do the

747
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: thing that I'm really good at normal. So I say, yeah,

748
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: you could turn it off. He turns into Hot ninety

749
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: seven buff station and busts on and slick ricks on.

750
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I say, yo, turn it to any any surprise, turn

751
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: it to anything except that. So he turns it to

752
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: light of f him. And at the time he turns

753
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: it light and all I hear was this piano and

754
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: this angelic voice going in the arms of an angel.

755
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Flyaway in the dark cold hold Sarah Mclochlan's Angel is on.

756
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: And at that moment in the car, something me says,

757
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: you know how you talk like right now, I was

758
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: talking to Yah. When you talk to yourself, you hear

759
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: yourself talking out said so now that don't yourself right

760
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: That voice says, Daryld. Life may be fucked up, but

761
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: if something this beautiful exists, it's good to be alive. Wow.

762
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: So from that day on, all I did was listening

763
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: to Sam McLachlan's Angel. I go home to my wife,

764
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: remember it was in the movie City of Angels with

765
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage, mag Ran Meg Ryan, Right, yes, remember that

766
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: movie was on that side. So I go, honey, did

767
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: you hit that record? And she said yeah, I said

768
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: the movie. So for Christmas, she buys me the sound

769
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: check of that album to sign. Yeah, and then she

770
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: goes out and buys me All Listener and mc lachlan's

771
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: album and stuff like that. But she had no idea

772
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: what was going on with me. I'm listening to that

773
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: record because of what the did it to me in

774
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: a car. So for one whole year all I listened

775
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: to was Sam maclarker. And It's funny. When I finally

776
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: went to therapy and rehab, my therapist said, do you

777
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of willpower? Because even through all of

778
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: the pancreat titus to all the forties and when I

779
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: started drinking again because of the adoption revelation, I was

780
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: still going to the gym. But now when I look back,

781
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will go to the gym some mornings

782
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: and I'd be on the treadmill and everybody would be

783
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: on that side of the gym, and I'm trying to

784
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: figure there's indeed the fucking alcohol is coming on your poors.

785
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: You probably smelt like fucking garbage lawns some research. So anyway,

786
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: you're like, everyone's always coming to me, and now he's saying, hey,

787
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: but they ain't coming over there because I was drinking

788
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: from five in the morning to five in the morning.

789
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: Wow wow, and you look amazing. You wouldn't even know.

790
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So for one whole year, listen Sarah McLoughlin. Eric,

791
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: who's here with me right now, Him and Tracy Miller,

792
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: who he spoked to. They know something's wrong. Keep him busy,

793
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: so they're trying to keep you busy. Eric gets tickets

794
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: to go to Clive davis grammy party. He comes to

795
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: me and he says, D we're going to cover this

796
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: is me fuck Clive Davis. But I can't run on.

797
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: I fuck the music. Just in there. I tell Eric this,

798
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: all I want to do is sit in my room

799
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: and listen to Sarah mc lockley. So Eric goes, and

800
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: you gotta understand this is funny too. He goes, he

801
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: got two tickets right, He looks at me. He cauldn't

802
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: get three, but he got two for dmc. He says, D,

803
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: I worked really hard to get these tickets, and it

804
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: was funny. Lining I remember the way he said that

805
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: to me. I just looked at him and in my mind,

806
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. Now, this fool probably done sold his soul

807
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: to the devil just to go to Love Davis Grammy.

808
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: So I'm going up for me for him. But that's

809
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: how you are. That's up. So I said, okay, we're

810
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: gonna go whatever. So we go to Clid davis Grammy

811
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: party and I'm telling him I'm only staying one hour,

812
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: and he's doing the management thing because he thinks he's

813
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: gonna get me to do the red carpet this and that.

814
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: So we get there. First of all, we get there,

815
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: the door is a mile away. It's no way we

816
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: get into that door. But Eric's funny. He just said,

817
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: de I know you don't want to do it. Just

818
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: wear your hat, Okay. So I walk up to Clive

819
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: Davis Grammy Park. The big bounces for the size of

820
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg's bouncers seize the hat way in the back.

821
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Just true story, all right, Everybody moved to the fucking

822
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: they put it, and Eric smiling because he even smart,

823
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: we walk I'm walking past. My joke is I saw God,

824
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: Jesus and Moses, and I'm like, hey, God, hey Jesus.

825
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting in about the way. So we get in

826
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: and Eric goes, you'll go do the rect But this

827
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: is I said, motherfucker. And he can tell you, O

828
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: d you was fucking me. I said, motherfucker. Only came

829
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: in for you. I'm sitting right here by his door

830
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving in one hour, and he's trying to

831
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: do in the management thing I saw going fifty nine

832
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: fifty eight doing my account. So he just walks away,

833
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: hands and airs. I'm sitting there. Busting Rome comes in,

834
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh my God, giving me love yo, and it Buster

835
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: makes an announcement, ladies and gentlemen. They didn't just change music,

836
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: they changed everything. They changed fast and aStyle. So Busting

837
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 1: walks away. I was like, the last person I wanted

838
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: to see was Busting and I'm saying, then I always

839
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: say this, and this is Trudeau. Buster comes in, and

840
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: then Stevie Wonder comes in, but he didn't see me.

841
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is Steevie Wonder comes in,

842
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: but he didn't see me because his boy saw me.

843
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: Hold up his boy. Stevie's just being Stevie. His boy

844
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: sees me and takes Stevie's true story. He sees me

845
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: sitting in my depressed and his boy sees me and

846
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: he goes see me. Dmc wants to meet you. That's

847
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: real funny. The god tells that. So he brings Stevie

848
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: over and Stevie yokat you cats and starts telling how

849
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: much Stevie wanted telling me how much he loves her MC.

850
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: But I'm still not at the point where the this

851
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: is good to be alive. If you never rhyme again,

852
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you touch like Alicia Keyes comes in, Hey, I know Russell,

853
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: I know Kamara, I know running the family and kids.

854
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: I never got to meet you. And she says, honored

855
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: to meet you. D boom boom, and she walks away.

856
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Then I'm sitting there. I can't wait to go back

857
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: to my room just to put in if the Walkman,

858
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: I had a CD of it, put Angel beck On,

859
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: who walks in?

860
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: Sarah McLoughlin, Oh, now what happens?

861
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: What do I do this and that in the voice again?

862
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Do you just get up and go tell her what

863
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: her music did for you? So I walk over to Sarah.

864
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: She sees because I have to have one run, dmc.

865
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: This trick you to rock and run, rock and run.

866
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Sarah was amazing and she was like yeah, she was

867
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: like rock y'all, I love you guys, and this and that.

868
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: I said, miss mc loughlow, I just want to tell

869
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: you the name of the song is Angel. You sound

870
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: like Angel. People are saying Angel, but you're another angel

871
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: to me, your God. And I go went to listen

872
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: to your record every day for twenty four hours for

873
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: the last and so when I finished, she's looking at

874
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: me like, yeah, I was just trying to say your

875
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: ass right, But then she says this, She says, thank you,

876
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: this is powerful for this music save me. She goes

877
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: she said I had I was gonna kill me. And

878
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: she says, thank you for telling me that, Daryl, because

879
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 1: that's what music is supposed to do, shakes my hand

880
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: and walks away. Wow. Wow, Now what's crazy is I

881
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: had never experienced that because the closest I got to

882
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: it was the guy in the car telling me, did

883
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I have to work for the music? Saved me? Ain't

884
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: never happened to me, but it did. It was happening

885
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: to me. Do all of that. And then she told

886
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: me that, and I was like, oh wow, So I

887
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: think it's crazier there. I got no voice. But when

888
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: she tells me that the Daryl thing, oh my god,

889
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: I gotta do something because now I'm thinking there's probably

890
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: a billion adopted kids like me who have these same

891
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: feelings in the motion. I gotta do something that's gonna

892
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: help those people who feel like I feel the same

893
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: way Sarah's record did for me. So this is mind black,

894
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: so I said. Seventy seven w ABC, there was this

895
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: record by this guy named Harry Chapman called Cats in

896
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: a Cradle. It was this song about a father who

897
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: had no time for the kids. Child is born just

898
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: the other day, came into the world in the usual way.

899
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: But the Cats in the Cradle in the silverspone and

900
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: that the drums drop. It was so hip hop to me.

901
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: So I said, I know what I'm gonna I'm gonna

902
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: take cat This is crazy, this but crazy, it's beautiful.

903
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Cats in a Cradle and I'm gonna

904
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: write a rap about how good my parents were to me,

905
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: because Cat's in the Cradle was about parents, said father,

906
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: but that didn't have time. I said, I'll talk about

907
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: by from the man and what they did to me.

908
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: Then that light bulb comes on. I'm gonna get that

909
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: lady who just Sarah mcglachlin and do the chorus for me.

910
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: Siting I call Eric. Eric said, what's going on? He was,

911
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: I do Cats in a Cradle. I'm writing my mom

912
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and he you gotta find Sarah mcglochlin for me. But

913
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: what's this about. Don't worry, just find it. So about

914
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: six days go by, I'm at dinner with my son

915
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: and my wife and Eric calls me, de Sarah's gonna

916
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: call you. Sarah's gonna call you. Pick up the phone.

917
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: So she calls me, and I got miss McLoughlin. Remember

918
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: when I met you and I told you what music

919
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: did to me. Yeah, yeah, Well I just found out

920
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: that I was adopted and I want to do this record.

921
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Boom boom. So we do the record. But here's a

922
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: killer thing. When I fly I told Sarah I'm gonna

923
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: fly you to New York City to work at the

924
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Hit Factory. In fact, she says, no, you could come

925
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: to my house, So I'll go to Vancouver. We're in

926
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: the studio. So what happened was I hear her record.

927
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm struggling going through this. I go to a party

928
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to go to and I get

929
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: to meet her this and that, finding out that I

930
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: was adopted and all that stuff. She tells me that

931
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: she says, D, there's something I need to tell you,

932
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: and I go what she goes, I was adopted too,

933
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: and I did not know that. So when I heard

934
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: her record, I didn't know she was adopted too. No,

935
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: think about that, that's amazing. So she the feared the

936
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: vibrations and the music. So we do the record on

937
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: the record comes out. Well, we do the record and

938
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: then I'm meeting another adopted person, and then another adopted

939
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: person goes, d aren't you curious of meeting your birth parents?

940
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: And I go, no, you know the record Son of Byfer,

941
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: brother of Al Christmas time in Hollis Queens, whatever, whatever, whatever.

942
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: It's a deep down side I didn't want to know.

943
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: So they let it go for about seven you know,

944
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: meetings with other adopted people and stuff like that, and

945
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: then I go, yes, I definitely want to know. So

946
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I knew in order for me to go fard my

947
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: birth parents, I had to be of sound mind. And

948
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: so I said Okay. The revelation of me finding out

949
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: that I was adopted the old Sarah thing gave me

950
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: the confidence and couragesy you know what. And people were

951
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: telling me that for the longest, you need to go

952
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: to rehab. So I went into rehab and Sierra Tucson

953
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: in Arizona. I'm going into Sierra tu Son in Arizona.

954
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: And when I walked in, I'll never forget the day.

955
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: The intake room that got the ten characteristics of an

956
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: addictive personality. So I look at the black boll and

957
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'll say, wow, I'm all of them.

958
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: And then everybody in the room I'm clapping and I'm like,

959
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: what are you doing that for? You on your way

960
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: to healing? Yes, now you're amitting. So I went to

961
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: Sarah Sierra Tucson for one whole month, got sober, came

962
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: out the adopted lady, Shila Jaffy, who is a casting

963
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: director in La She casts sopranos and entourage just do

964
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: it tardy with her. Yes, yes, we started feeling somebody.

965
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: They said last was short. When I came out, Sheila

966
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: connected me to the private Eye for the adopted guy.

967
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that just this private

968
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: eye lady that does private eye work only for adoptees

969
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: because we have so much trouble finding it. So lossoy

970
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: short the private eye for the adopted guy finds my

971
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: birth mother. Wow, it took two weeks to find and

972
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I found my birth mother, two brothers and a sister

973
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: that I didn't know that I had, and everything turned

974
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: out great because of Sarah maclachlan's angel song.

975
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: That's amazing, what an amazing story. It's crazy And I

976
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: met you right after that happened, and you would never

977
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: I said.

978
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: This guy, there's no way, yeah, just crazy wow, alcoholic

979
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: suicide and metaphysical spiritual wreck who is thinking of killing

980
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: himself already but then finds out that he's adopted. Oh,

981
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: let's not forget this. During that time, Jim I Sagen

982
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: gets shot and killing in my pharm and died. So

983
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: I was dealing with all of that, but it was

984
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: the music. I don't think a pill would have did it.

985
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't think the therapy became good because my therapist

986
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: just basically said, the therapist doesn't help you. I was like, then,

987
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: why do you come The therapist is a decoy so

988
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: you could do two things, and I'm realizing this in therapy. Therapy,

989
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: you say stuff to yourself that you said to yourself

990
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: that you didn't listen to. Oh, you start saying stuff

991
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: that you need to tell yourself. But you can't look

992
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: at yourself in the mirror. So you need another person

993
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: so you can say this not thinking you're talking to you.

994
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: But it's not going They don't need it. They're looking

995
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: at you like they're just right. You need to be

996
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: there right. So the music was the catalyst or the music.

997
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: I look at it like this. The music had healed

998
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: me already, so I didn't have to go through I

999
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: didn't have to use anything outside of them, a foreign substance.

1000
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: I didn't need no anxiety pills. I didn't need it.

1001
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, some people do because the chemical things going on.

1002
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: But my thing was all emotional. So I was diagnosed

1003
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: when they let me out to see hera Tucson, I

1004
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with suppressed emotions. That was my daughter. I said,

1005
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: what's that about? They said, here's what happened. They asked

1006
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: me this. Well. One of the first questions that when

1007
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I got into City Era Tucson. My doctor he was

1008
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: I was thirty five so he probably was like forty

1009
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: six white guy with the white cloak and the pad

1010
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: and everything. The first question he asked me was doing

1011
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: your career at running m seeing did anybody do anything

1012
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: to make you upset? So I'm sitting in I'm I'm deflected.

1013
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: I go, no, I'll never forget this day. This is

1014
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: the first day. Guy. I was in rehab for thirty days.

1015
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: The first day. That was one of the questions. After

1016
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: I went through the intake room. He goes, did anybody

1017
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: ever do anything during your career run your seat to

1018
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: make you upset? I go, I'm sitting damn no, I'll

1019
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: never forget this. He stands up right and he starts

1020
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: unbuttoning his white cloak. So I'm thinking, where do you

1021
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: think put my eyes? But he only did that to

1022
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: break the ice. He takes off his cloak and he

1023
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: got on the AC DC shirts that always wear, and

1024
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: I think he did this to get real over and

1025
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: he put it down right, He put it down, He

1026
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: put the bag, and he took his glasses off, and

1027
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: he sat down closer to me, and he looked me

1028
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: in my eye and he said, you're a goddamn motherfucking

1029
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: liar and when he said that, Yeah, man, in nineteen

1030
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: eighty four, Joe did this. I had all the rememories

1031
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: of stuff when people did stuff that I didn't like,

1032
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't speak up. Instead of speaking up and

1033
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: not just expressing my opinion my feeling. And he was like,

1034
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: you got expression fear. They'll get over it. They do

1035
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: it all day around you. But instead of doing that,

1036
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: I would do this. So I got diagnosed with suppressed

1037
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: emotions coming out there. He said, deep, every time you

1038
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to save yourself. See, it took the

1039
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: music to save me, to save yourself, you renigged on

1040
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: that opportunity and let the alcohol. And he said that

1041
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: was killing you. He said you should have said, look, guys,

1042
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: just nu Jack city. Now. I don't have nothing against

1043
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: nujack music, but it's not for me. And to this Daylen,

1044
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: we got a song called Pause and there's a video,

1045
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: and I'm in the Pause video with a green and

1046
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: purple only to please Jake, a green and purple suit

1047
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: doing the Bobby Brown running man. I'm sober now and

1048
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm showing that every time I see this video and

1049
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: hear that song and see those images, it's the worst

1050
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: feeling but the rehab had helped me. But I was

1051
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: diagnosed with suppressed emotions. Wow, And I was also I

1052
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: didn't have to shoot myself, paying myself or drink the poison.

1053
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Speaker 1: I was subconsciously killing myself because my subconscious was saying,

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01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to drink alcohol because you have pancreatitis.

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: So I went back and this is I would eventually

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: killed myself and I'll never forget my wife. And one thing, guys,

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01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: I got to say about women, that the truth they

1058
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: know you're lying. When on I started drinking again, my

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: excuse for my wife was pick up. I'm drinking to

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01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: celebrate the new farm part of my identity, the fact

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: that I because when I found out that I was adopted,

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: the void was filled. I'm Don McDaniels hot Queens, New York,

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: sonner by friend and I'm adopted, So that filled it.

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01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: But that didn't deal with your she wasn't the issues

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I told my wife, I'm

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Speaker 1: drinking to celebrate this newfound revelation. I'll never forget my wife. Zury.

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01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: She says this to me. This was I don't think

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: no psychologist's book has this or anything Sigmund Freud or

1069
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: whatever his name is. I said, I'm drinking to celebrate

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: this new found part of mine. She said, motherfucker you.

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01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't never forget this. You are drinking because you

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: can't emotionally handle the fact that your ass is adopted.

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: And she was right, because I was hurt that my

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: mother and father didn't tell me. You didn't address it ever,

1075
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't address it. So that there's another funny thing.

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: When my mother and father told me that he was

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: a month of where we brought you him and you adopted.

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01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: After that, they called up all my uncle, aunts and

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: uncles during it as a kid, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's promotions,

1080
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: Birthday part. Everybody always came to Daryn McDaniel's house. We're

1081
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: going to miss McDaniels. The next day, after my mother

1082
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: tells me, I get a call from Robin. I get

1083
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: a call from Donnie. I get a call from all

1084
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: my cousins who were younger than me. They said, d man,

1085
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: we're so glad your mother told you that we've been

1086
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: holding that secret. And they oh, my cousin, yes, they said,

1087
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: just what would happened, kids, is fourth of July. We're

1088
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: going to the McDaniel's house, cookout. Come to the living room.

1089
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: It's Christmas. Come to the liver room, Thanksgiving, Oh, I said,

1090
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: Alfred said, Darrel's brother's birthday. It's Miss McDaniel's promoting it.

1091
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: Come to the living room. What's the rule? Kids? Nobody

1092
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: let Darryl know he's adopted. They all held that secret

1093
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: in so I had that feeling in me all the time.

1094
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: I had a lot of healing to do. Even though

1095
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: the traumatic revelation was the thing that I thought was

1096
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: going to kill me, it was the music that allowed

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01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: me to get to a place where I could go

1098
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: into therapy and not be There's a thing I always

1099
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: say about when we're going through whether it's sexual abuse

1100
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: and are gambling, whatever, it is the problem with the

1101
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: mental health issues. Stigma exists because if we don't remove

1102
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: the guilt and shame, you don't remove the pain of

1103
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: the situation. So guilt and shame allows stigma to remain.

1104
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: And also in my case, if you don't admit how

1105
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: you feel, whether good or bad, you never healed. But

1106
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: it took the music to get me to that place

1107
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: to realize, oh, I'm not the only adopted kid. I'm

1108
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: not the only alcohol, and just so many people just

1109
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: like so it took the music. What is music is universal?

1110
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: It breaks down. Stephen Tyler shows what music does. I've

1111
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,959
Speaker 1: been to South Sudan, which was crazy but beautiful South

1112
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: Sudan Awar Zone. They love Naughty by Nature in public,

1113
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: enemy and slickreck. You would never guess. I've been to

1114
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine in the same touring. Out of those

1115
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: two countries of fighting. Here's the power of music. To

1116
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: this day, I can go to somewhere I've never been.

1117
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: And this has been going on since eighty six, when

1118
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: I went to South Sudan, when I went to Venezuela,

1119
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: when I went to Russia, and when I went to Ukraine.

1120
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: People always come to me and say this dmnse. Don't

1121
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: you know in nineteen ninety six, when Steven Tyler took

1122
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: that mic stand and knocked down the walls that was

1123
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: separating y'all in the video, it didn't just happened in

1124
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: the video, really happened in the world. I sure did.

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: So all of the stuff people have told me, all

1126
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: of the stuff to people tell me, now I can

1127
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: relate to that because it happened to me. With that

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01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: angel record.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much for listening to this powerful episode

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01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: of Music Saved Me with Darryl McDaniels.

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01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for part two.

1132
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: I surprised Darryl with a rising artist on Glass Note

1133
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: Records who happened to be on the podcast a few

1134
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: months ago, and when he told me he was a

1135
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: huge fan of Run DMC and there were a major

1136
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: influence on him.

1137
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Well, I just had to introduce the two.

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: Please come back and join me at Part two on

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: Music Save Me with Daryl McDaniels coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening.