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Speaker 1: a one time winner on the PGA Tour. The point, Alan,

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Speaker 1: is he didn't go Hollywood. You need a fourth before

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Speaker 1: we get to this extremely entertaining episode with Gary McCord,

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Speaker 1: who's quite a golfing original. We're just gonna pay a

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Speaker 1: few bills. We want to thank our corporate sponsors Echo.

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Speaker 1: I'm a longtime fan and advocate and proponent Um. They're

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Speaker 1: super comfy and stylist. But for Michael Bamberger, it's more

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Speaker 1: than a shoe. It's a lifestyle. It's it's almost a worldview. Michael.

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Speaker 1: That's well said. Alan. Now, Alan, we've known a show

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Speaker 1: even know all my trivia questions. I probably have posed

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Speaker 1: this one to you before, and this relates. Did you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Gary McCord? I did, but yeah, I was drowned out,

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Speaker 1: as it relates to a shoe was still very popular. Alan.

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Speaker 1: It's the covering of the laces that used to be

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Speaker 1: this question to you before, like guilty guilty is correct?

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Speaker 1: Now now, Alan, you know as you as you indicate

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Speaker 1: it is. It's a, it's a. It's the same my attachment.

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Speaker 1: The Echo shoe is a statement on life. I just

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Speaker 1: about the guilty. But we do love Echo shoes. We

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Speaker 1: thank them for their support. Now let's get to Need

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Speaker 1: a Fourth with Gary McCord. Hello, this is Alan Schip

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Speaker 1: knuck back for another Need a Fourth podcasts, in which myself,

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Speaker 1: knows who this is. Gary mccoord, Come on down, hello, boys, Gary,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Thank you for doing this. You know

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds. Jeff knows all that stuff, and it is

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00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: today and it's going to keep going and going and

427
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: going as a continuum. But then you've got to figure

428
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: out what air I was in and whatever the jack error,

429
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, the tiger area or whatever. And I've been

430
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: in all of those right now. Um. I used to

431
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: play with Julius Borrows and and uh and all those guys.

432
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: And now to be out there and watch these kids,

433
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: it's it's really entertaining, I mean very entertaining to watch

434
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: how different they are we were compared to what these

435
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: kids are doing. Obviously you would have, given the choice,

436
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: you price to want to be on the airwaves. Do

437
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: did that diminish your enthusiasm for watching golf and not

438
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: not being able to call because you know, I had

439
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: so many friends out there and it was fun. I

440
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: did it for thirty five years, um, and I didn't

441
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: like the way they did it. There was we had

442
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a two year option. Both Peter cost This Night had

443
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: a two year option and CBS had never not taken

444
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: an option. Okay, and so they just mean they called

445
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: us up. It was it was two thousand, two thousand nineteen.

446
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm here in Scottsdale, and Costas calls me, and

447
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: I got here. What's going on? Do you get a

448
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: phone going from New York? No? He goes, I got one?

449
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: I said, what? He goes, I got fired? What what mean?

450
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: You got fired? Our our options were up two more

451
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: years and then we were out? And I go fire?

452
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Now? I'm thinking the whole time, I'm

453
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: looking at my phone and ship anybody called me? And

454
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: nothing said no go Thank god, Peter got fired. But

455
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship. I didn't get fired, So okay,

456
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: I'll keep going. I did that night. I'm sitting there

457
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: and I go and all of a sudden, the phone

458
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: heat gives me a little a little beet there and

459
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: I looked and it was it was a message, a

460
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: voicemail that was six hours old. I don't you know,

461
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: you know how they come out of the kind of

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: out of the eight or somewhere, and they land and

463
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: I saw the number on it was to one two,

464
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: which is New York. I went, oh shit. So I

465
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: didn't look at it until I got out the next

466
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: morning and I sat there and I looked at I hit.

467
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: I had said, and uh, Gary, can you call me

468
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: Polaean mcmanice. I need to talk to you. Blah blah blah.

469
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: So that was it. And and they whacked us. Um.

470
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: They told us that we can do what we want,

471
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: but they would like to for the first two tournaments

472
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: of the next year for us to come back and

473
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: get out, So it would have been San Diego and Phoenix,

474
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: and they would do a little dog and pony for

475
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: those two get out. And I I kind of said

476
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: no because I thought it was more for them than

477
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it was for us, and so I'd sitting So that

478
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: was it. We just kind of got whacked. Um, very succinctly,

479
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: to say the least. Okay, what was your path to CBS?

480
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Did you know what you're Kenyan or Chuck will or

481
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: some of those guys. The path was? It was nineteen

482
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: It was nineteen six. I was on the tour policy board,

483
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: one of the three player directors, which is a frightening

484
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: thought in itself. And I was on an air. I

485
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: was going from from Colonial to Merefield for Jack's tournament.

486
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: I was not in the tournament, because that's a tournament

487
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: they go right off the money list Invitational. So I

488
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: was not in. But we had policy board meetings Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

489
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: So I get on the airplane flane and to get

490
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: on the airplane, I had to go through first class,

491
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: which was Pat Summer, all, Ben Right, Frank Chick, Kenyon,

492
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: uh Ken, Ben Surrey, and who else, somebody else and

493
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: first and I'm in thirty seven C. Back there. So

494
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: at about halfway there, I get I get a half

495
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: half drunk bottle of wine, okay from the boys in

496
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: first class. Hope I enjoy you're enjoying with the hope

497
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: you're enjoying thirty seven C. So I went up to

498
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: thank him. Was walking up. Ah, Jeff, we'll get this idea.

499
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: So Wednesday I had nothing to do. The next turn

500
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: was washing d C. Now I'm out there making nothing,

501
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: and if I can't go to Washington d C early,

502
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: I can't. It's too expensive. So I figured a con.

503
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I went back to Frank. I said, Frank, listen, I'm

504
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: on the policy board making decisions to CBS, NBC, ABC.

505
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: That time, I said, I know nothing about television. Is

506
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: there any chance I could come and watch you in

507
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: the trucks do a telecastsole me as one of the

508
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: three player directors can get an idea. That's when I

509
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: make decisions. I have a little better background. Is what

510
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: what to look for and what to talk about in

511
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: these meetings. And he looked at me and I go.

512
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: He goes, you've got nothing to do. No, you broke,

513
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: just like that, you broke. Yeah, he goes, all right,

514
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: check into the Stoffers and and we'll we'll go. We'll

515
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: go Friday. Come on in Friday. So I remember that

516
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: night at Stoffers. We're going there, he says, Frank was

517
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: basically started the entire business the five ft a Carthenian

518
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: General basically. So we go there and we met at

519
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: the bar. All the idiots at the bar. We're sitting around,

520
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and so you go from the bar. This was every day.

521
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Every day you go from the bar, and then you

522
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: go in to the restaurant right next to it. I'm

523
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: sitting next to Summer all and you know, I've I've

524
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: heard about these guys, but I've never witnessed these guys.

525
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there and there's the service, the service

526
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: salads first. So we're sitting there. I mean, aw about

527
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: my third bite next to me, I'll hear I hear

528
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: this and face first past Summer, all into the salad,

529
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: rogue for coming everywhere, everywhere, and no one even looks,

530
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: and they keep talking and I'm looking. I'm looking over

531
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: and this guy he's I've never heardnybody drowned and rogue

532
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: for dressing, but this guy's got a chance at it.

533
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: So I'm I don't know, you know, it's my first day.

534
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: There I did, and I'm I keep looking at him,

535
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to Ben right and finally Ben Regan's head.

536
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Good god, he's done it again. And he gets up

537
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: and he takes him by the hair, pulls it up

538
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: and here's Pat Summer all nothing with rogue for addressing.

539
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Ever you can't recognize it. And Ben gets him up

540
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: out of the deal, walks him into the into the

541
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: elevator and up to his room. But when Bed comes back,

542
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: no one says a word. Nobody says a word about this,

543
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: and I went, Jesus, this is going to get interesting.

544
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: So I go out there on Friday rehearsal, show up,

545
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: go into the truck's big truck. I walked in and

546
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Frank and the sound guy his his directors next to him.

547
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: Frank was actually producing and directing at the same time.

548
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: And you know all the guys that you know. It's

549
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: a hundred monitors up there. And I get in. I

550
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: seek in the back and I said down. I'm kind

551
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: of looking wide eyed here. I've never been in the trucks.

552
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, somebody says, hey, Frank, record's

553
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: behind you. He turns around and goes, hey, asshole, get

554
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: out to sixteen. And no, I wanted to watch you

555
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: get out to sixteen. I get out the door. I'll

556
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: walk out to sixteen. Jeff, you remember the old days,

557
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: sixteen at Merefield. I walk out. I'm now I'm going

558
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: towards I start England for the tea. I don't know

559
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: why I'm going to sixteen even is that? I mean

560
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: look at the tea because I think I'm gonna be

561
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: a spotter. And that's basically Caddy that's missed the coup.

562
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: He comes out and he sits there with a headset

563
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: on and Fred Couples pulls out a seven iron and

564
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: he goes Fred's got a seven iron that goes to

565
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: the trucks up to the announcer. That's what I think

566
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I get halfway to the right, walking

567
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: over there, and I hear screaming and yelling from Verne

568
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: lumpist up in the tower, Get up here, get up here,

569
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: and he goes, come on up, come on up. So

570
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: I climb up and he hands me a headset. I said,

571
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: what's this for? He says, Frank wants to try his

572
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: an announcer. Well, I figures a lot better than being

573
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: a caddy on the tea, right. So I sat there

574
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: and we did rehearsal for literally four minutes. Some cameras

575
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: broke down. He says, hell of it. He says, everybody

576
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: in place tomorrow one o'clock, not at four men. I didn't.

577
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Who was talking, no idea. The

578
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: only guy remembered was Pat Summer all because he was

579
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: doing those those union those hard work commercials, um true,

580
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: true hard work. And I remember the boys. Oh okay,

581
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: that's that's him. And then there's Frank's yelling at mean

582
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: this year all the time, and then people are talking

583
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: this year, and that's the play by play anyway, no idea.

584
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: So we got up to the that's how I got

585
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: the job. So we get up there on Saturday and

586
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm studying my ass off. I'm sitting in a folding

587
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: chair right here, and next to me here is a

588
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: is a basically it's a window plexiglass, and there's a spotter.

589
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: And the spotter for for Verne Lindquist was literally we

590
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: waited him a safe way one day. He was four

591
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: pounds okay, offensive lineman for Wisconsin. So he literally when

592
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: the when the sun went to set on that side

593
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: of the tower, it was dark in there, totally dark,

594
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: and then burns on the other side. So I'm setting

595
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: next to the camera and waiting and waiting, and I

596
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: don't what I'm doing. I literally I'm on national delevision.

597
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I got well, plue what I'm doing. And so we

598
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: go and and I'm on sixteen. I'm sitting and I'm

599
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: looking at the guys. I've done homework, got my stuff,

600
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we're going and Verne goes, um,

601
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: he get Gary, what what's this putt look like? Well,

602
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: look there's nobody on the green, there's somebody on the sill.

603
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: And Jeffish, you know, you look to the right, you

604
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: can you can look down fourteen nice trival part four

605
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: and then thee there's nobody there because we've got we've

606
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: got starting times in between. Now the next group is

607
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: on the fourteenth hole. I'm on sixteen on national television.

608
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Burn goes, Gary, what's his putt? Looked like? Well, now

609
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I put down my paper and I'm looking and there's

610
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: nobody and there's nobody playing the hole. So now I think, well,

611
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: maybe this is a joke from the guy. So I

612
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: get out over the end. I look underneath. I did.

613
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: I got up and looked underneath the tower to see

614
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: if the guys down below we're hiding really because there's

615
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: nobody there, and I'm going finally with the hell of it,

616
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I said, Burn, this put is really sincerely fast, and

617
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: if he's just too hard, it could go in the water.

618
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: Thinking now these guys are just putting me on. We're

619
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: still in commercial break right, Um, Jeff, ten years ago?

620
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Is there any water on sixteen? No? No water, no, nothing.

621
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Did not put the lake in until about five years ago,

622
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: four years ago. There's no water. The only water is

623
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: a drinking fountain on the tea on sixteen. So I

624
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: make this up right and Burn goes, oh. He says

625
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you're right. Another full of feet, um, and it was

626
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: it was I know we hit this pot too. I'll

627
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: get a second, bob. Anyway, he hits his pot and

628
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: it goes. He says, it's on the fridge. Another foot

629
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: and go on the water and now let's go to

630
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: pat Summer. All at eighteen bird bird, What the hell?

631
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: What's going on? He goes, what do you mean? He said,

632
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: good call, you gotta get faster. I think that call.

633
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: There's open a here. He says, well, you gotta look

634
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: at the monitor. I said, I can't see the money,

635
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: got job of the hut in front of you. I

636
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Speaker 1: can't see through him. And he goes, oh, he says,

637
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he went, oh Jesus,

638
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Speaker 1: he said, rehearsal. I said, yeah, we had ever five minutes.

639
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Speaker 1: I said, what's going on? He goes, you know, we

640
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Speaker 1: have five other holes. Excuse me? What on the six

641
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Speaker 1: steenth hall? I'm an idiot, So I just figured we're

642
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Speaker 1: doing the sixteenth ho we got five other holes, and

643
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Speaker 1: the other hole we were doing at that time it

644
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Speaker 1: was the twelfth hold Part three. Beautiful looks like it

645
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Speaker 1: looks like throws throws lake. They're beautiful just before, just

646
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Speaker 1: sitting down and well, Bob Westwood, that was Eastwood. Excuse me,

647
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Speaker 1: I always called Westwood. He was on the top top

648
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Speaker 1: of the green up there, Gregg and the pins on

649
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Speaker 1: the front, right on the front of the water up there,

650
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Speaker 1: and he hit this foot going down that hill and

651
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Speaker 1: he hit it past roll about eight feet by on

652
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Speaker 1: the fringe, and literally he would have hit it pretty hard,

653
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Speaker 1: but it could have gone in the water. So I

654
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: just made the whole damn thing up and I got

655
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Speaker 1: it right. So I figured this is the business for me.

656
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Speaker 1: So Frank it was again the six hole, and why

657
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I got asked the next week the sixteenth hole on

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Speaker 1: the back stop there, and it was Payne Stewart was

659
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Speaker 1: up there. Payne Stewart was up there and you, it

660
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Speaker 1: looks like you look like a better win. Sheep over

661
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Speaker 1: the green up on that hill and you're shitting straight

662
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Speaker 1: down to this green. The green is greens, harder rock,

663
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Speaker 1: and Burn goes Gary, what's he got? And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: here's what he's got. Everybody out there at home. I

665
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: want you to get your wedge, I want you to

666
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: get a ball. I want you to walk out to

667
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Speaker 1: your front launch shipping on your driveway, start halling forward

668
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Speaker 1: to bite. That's what he's got. Well get done. Frank's laugh.

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Speaker 1: First time I ever heard Frank laugh. And he gets done.

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Speaker 1: He goes, what are you doing next week? I go,

671
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing. I'm playing Washington see at the Kemper.

672
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: He goes, great. He said, you'll miss the cut. When

673
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Speaker 1: you missed the cut, come on up. So I did

674
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: that for three years. I went up. They gave me

675
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks for the weekend. So if I missed

676
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Speaker 1: the cut, which was chance I was gonna make a

677
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: miss the cut, I would go up and do that.

678
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Speaker 1: And they finally signed me. I told him I'm not

679
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Speaker 1: gonna do anymore. In nineteen I think it was eight

680
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: or ninety. I said I need to contract and I'll

681
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Speaker 1: quit plan. So that was it. That's how That's how

682
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Speaker 1: long winded. That's how I got the job. That's a

683
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: great story. It's also proved that for you guys, uh

684
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Speaker 1: making outrageous prediction and Johnny Miller made a career out

685
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Speaker 1: of this is always a good thing. Like Miller, you know,

686
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Speaker 1: something probable, bunker shot and john would say, yeah, he

687
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Speaker 1: could hold this, you know, and then one and twelve

688
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: times John would be correct, and he looked like a genius.

689
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Speaker 1: You didn't remember the other elevens. Well, I think that

690
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Speaker 1: was most of dramas. I think I think predicted about

691
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Speaker 1: four percent of his predictions came out true. But his

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Speaker 1: legacy is based on on the four percent that he

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Speaker 1: got right. And I'll tell you a story about Ian

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Speaker 1: Baker Finch. Ian Baker Finch came over from ABC to

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Speaker 1: work at CBS and I had tried to get him

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Speaker 1: to work. I brought him into the tower at it

697
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Speaker 1: was at the Western Open, Jeff, where was the golf

698
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Speaker 1: card had five golf courses there. One guy owners cog Hill,

699
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Speaker 1: Cog Hill, so it was was it at cog Hill.

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Speaker 1: I took him up the tower. He is really good,

701
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: good looking guy, and he was starting to snipe it

702
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: off the team really bad and he couldn't find it

703
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: left and he's such a good guy, and I just, man,

704
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: you gotta quit doing this. You're gonna kill yourself. So

705
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Speaker 1: I brought him up the tower. Frank liked him, but

706
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: he said, I don't need another breaking foreign boards anymore.

707
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: So that was that in the first time. So then

708
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: he finally came two after ABC came to CBS Mary's

709
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: about the second telecast and he said something on the air,

710
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: and I just jumped in about it's not right. How

711
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: can you say that? I can you even think about that?

712
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Speaker 1: That's a right hand, doesn't do that. Coul swing. Yeah,

713
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I start arguing. So we get

714
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Speaker 1: done and we get to the to the compound there

715
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Speaker 1: at the double ledge and he goes kind of talk

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Speaker 1: to you for a second. I said, yeah what. He goes,

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Speaker 1: you know that argument we had today? And I'm thinking argument,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that. I said what And he goes, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you're gonna jump me like that. I

720
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Speaker 1: didn't know that, you know. I thought it was wrong. No, no,

721
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Speaker 1: you were dead right. I said, you're absolutely right. But

722
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Speaker 1: I said, in television, what what? We're trying to try

723
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Speaker 1: to take a side, take for it or against it, Jane,

724
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: you ignorant slut, take one of the two sides, and

725
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: you arguing even if you even you agree with the guy.

726
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: Because you've got people at home sitting on a couch

727
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: and they're going they're going through the remote fast as

728
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Speaker 1: they can, and for them to stay they've got to

729
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: take part in something. They have to take a side

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Speaker 1: and watch it, argue out, and then decide whether they're

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Speaker 1: gonna watch anymore. I said, if you do a telecast

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Speaker 1: at NBC at that time, everybody, everybody it was, it

733
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Speaker 1: was of the same mindset they had, They have the

734
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Speaker 1: same thoughts. They would say, yes, Johnny, you're absolutely right, Roger,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Right, Well, it's boring after a while.

736
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Speaker 1: So you've got to have this agonist antagonist relationship, even

737
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Speaker 1: if it's faked on the air, to get some spice

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Speaker 1: in it. Because what I it was television, and if

739
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: you're on television, it's in the entertainment business. So you

740
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: watch guys like Jeff playing and then you say, oh,

741
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: accoly it's good or bad. You know, that was a

742
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: shitty shot. Uh, he doesn't hit many of those. I

743
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: hit a lot of whatever it is. And then you

744
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: pound him on something else, or you you know, you

745
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: applaud him on something else, and then you take sides

746
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: and go back and forth. Because you watch every sitcom

747
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: that's ever done, and it's always it's usually four people

748
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Speaker 1: in the room that are totally divergent in their philosophy,

749
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: their ways of life, how they grew up, and they

750
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: meet in the middle, and in that middle to fist

751
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: fight and you get in the middle is we're all

752
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: the funniest and golf is is they've lost that totally totally. Uh.

753
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Frank liked it. He liked the whole thing about doing

754
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: it that way. So that was just the way. I

755
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: don't the question was a long time ago. But that's

756
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I think how golf should be done. And again it's

757
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's you like it to a sitcom

758
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I do. It just sounds like the grill room at

759
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Whispering Benga, exactly right, exactly right. You just start pounding

760
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: on people when they come in. You just get every

761
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: bit of mmo you got. See who likes to come

762
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: back at you, and they come back at you, you

763
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: go after them harder and see what they got. And

764
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Speaker 1: then it gets down to okay, let's go out and

765
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: play for hundreds, U asshole. And you go out and

766
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: you play for hundreds and pick a partner and go

767
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: and it's if there's nothing better, you know, remember Japan,

768
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: the old they would Phil get out there with the needle.

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Speaker 1: It's justif and he you know, he could sell cocky

770
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: with his bats he'd make bet you couldn't win. And

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Speaker 1: that's because Phil always had a lot of money. So

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: you could remember one day when I'm played and they

773
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: were it was he and Stricky and me and Jennie

774
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: and somebody else, and they were going to play bestball

775
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: against my five eyes scramble score. Well, you can't win

776
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: that bat, you can't just you can't do it. And

777
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: the fourth all he paid off to get everybody a hundred.

778
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: Let's start over, let's do something else. They still, so

779
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: we did. But this stuff like that, it's always been

780
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: good fun and you learn. You know, Jeff, you know,

781
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: Jeff's really good at the needle, He's got to try one.

782
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: He's really good at the needle. And that that's that's

783
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: how we learned when I was younger, that's how you

784
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: learned how to play. It's a great environment to get better. Absolutely,

785
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: when Phil comes to down, Phil comes, it sounds ends

786
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Speaker 1: out a text to about twelve guys is like I'm coming.

787
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Speaker 1: We're playing hundred dollars a hole or something, and we're

788
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Speaker 1: playing off the back and he gets in and he's

789
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00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,839
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791
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792
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Speaker 1: fewer commercials and uh you know, like the last hour

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Speaker 1: we gave you all the power in the world, Gary,

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Speaker 1: how would how would you reinvent the way the PGA

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Speaker 1: Tours televised? I'll tell you a story. Um, I know

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Speaker 1: you will. First of all, that everybody is trying to

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Speaker 1: emulate the masters in every way, shape or form. Okay,

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Speaker 1: The number one thing if you get into the media

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Speaker 1: part of it is there's what a minute and a

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Speaker 1: half commercials an hour? Okay, they get the four sponsors

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Speaker 1: in there, they give them a lot of money that

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Speaker 1: guys say, okay, fine, we'll do that. What a presentation.

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Speaker 1: You never get mired and and uh see it in

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Speaker 1: a half hour. I think we're a lot of I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's nine minutes of commercial for

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Speaker 1: I going to start throwing commercials. Act you you're going Jesus,

834
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Speaker 1: come on, um. I had at the end of last year,

835
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Speaker 1: Greg Norman was calling me trying to get me to

836
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Speaker 1: come to Live to be one of the announcers with

837
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Speaker 1: charity and they wanted to kind of re event things.

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Speaker 1: And they got ahold of at that time too, they

839
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Speaker 1: got hold of Charles Barkley. So Charles and are good buddies.

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00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: He's a member out there to Jeff and I play

841
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: and we had to talk one day and he goes, Hey, says,

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Speaker 1: what would I do in this thing I don't want

843
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: to know about golf? I said, well, I got an

844
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: idea that I'll pitch to him if it gets that far. Said, well,

845
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: what is it? And I said, well, if if I'm

846
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna do, if I'm going to do to Live, I'm

847
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: going to start over. I need to catch their attention.

848
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: I can't do it like you do it now, where

849
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: you put a couple of announcers up in the deal

850
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: and you play, grab bass up there and you throw

851
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: it down to somebody on the ground. I said, that's

852
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's old. It's old. I said, Chuck, here's

853
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: what I have to do. We'll have a camera. Pl

854
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: V is behind five bar stools at a bar. The

855
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: play by play is up on a television, like we

856
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: all watch it at a bar, and it's there. There's

857
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: your there's your there's your video monitor, they say, the

858
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: television set. If you're on air, deal right there, cameras

859
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: behind you. The host is over here, sitting at a

860
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 1: cocktail table on the left. So we got three guys

861
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: at the bar. I would be on the outside. Check

862
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: you're in the middle, thirty year on the outside too.

863
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: And now they shoot it from that perspective, the back

864
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: of our heads as we're drinking in the bar and

865
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: watching the golf on television. And I said, then we

866
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: have a guest bartender every week, a celebrity, and that

867
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: guy is the foil for all of our jeff as

868
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, the long needles, and we'll get some guys in.

869
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: They're really good. He's a bartender. There's gonna be a

870
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: mop back there, and he will be the guy doing

871
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: all the swings. Uh for the instruction. Hey, you know

872
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Ben affleck Ben, Ben, take your name Ben, Thank you Ben?

873
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: Grab that mob um. Let me let me Chuck, let me,

874
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: let me show you what Scotty shuffle shuffles does. I said,

875
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: his left arms in the year. Ben, take take that mop.

876
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: Take take that thing and put your leftar way up

877
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: near and say he gets it way up there, and

878
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: then he drops it and then he takes his feet

879
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: and he does a shuffle like this, Ben, do a shuffle.

880
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: So what you do is all that is the Manning cast. Okay,

881
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: it's a Manning cast. And we throw at the golf

882
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and we get three people in there. Chuck loved that

883
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: because he wouldn't have talked about golf. He get sit there,

884
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: and he says, and he told me before he went

885
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: to talk to Norman in Atlanta. He says, I'll get

886
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: I'll get all the celebrities every week to come in

887
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: and sit there. We were going to have the studio

888
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: would be probably Dallas, and we shoot the studio out

889
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: of there and we let the guys travel to Riyad

890
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: and h Bank. I can wearry because I don't want

891
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: to go there. So that was there's there's there's a

892
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: game plan, and that's that's the one that that that

893
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: I came up with just three guys that bore watching

894
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: golf with a with the bartender that everybody's gonna know

895
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: and we can just pound on it from the hotel cast.

896
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: So that's a many casts, and Norman didn't like that.

897
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: I never got to Norman with that. I never got

898
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: that far I got. I've talked to a couple other

899
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: people about it, and they would they thought it was

900
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: very interesting. I thought it was very interesting. A hundred

901
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: years ago, a company that owned the most bars in

902
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: the United States. I don't know what the company is.

903
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: We wanted Ferdy Night to do the Masters, and after

904
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: we left, wanted us to the Masters and call it anyway.

905
00:49:53,200 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: We wanted to awful live, awful live show and we

906
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: would just overlay and just start talking about it. You

907
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: guys at the bar doing it. And that's where I

908
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: got there. And that was a long time ago, and

909
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it. Gusta probably wouldn't let us do

910
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: that anyway safer for I just thinking a wild guess,

911
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: But I think you've got to get it more like that.

912
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: And if if I was do and live, I do

913
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: I have to do something like that. You've got to

914
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: catch your attention. They only got a network yet, right,

915
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: so if you did put it on CW or Fox

916
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Sports one or whatever they're talking about. At least the

917
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: people are going, did you see how they're doing this thing.

918
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: They've got some guy at the bartender and they're talking

919
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: and drinking and watching golf and talking over and everything else. Um,

920
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: So that that would be my approach to doing something

921
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: like that new and aggressively and have some fun with it. Garry,

922
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: when you were working on Tin Cup, You've you've got

923
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: so much creative energy and so much creative insights. You know,

924
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: you're talking about the sitcoms and how you might do

925
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: a telecast when you're working on Tin Cup. Did you

926
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: bring any of this to the to the set of

927
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: that movie and they use any of it? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

928
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them, a lot of it. I was

929
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: the the technical director of the movie, so I was

930
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: responsible for getting forgetting Kevin Costner to look like he

931
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: looked like he could play a little bit and he

932
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: had a big language swing, you know, and he played

933
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: nine times with this with this father at all, and

934
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: he came into he came into the World Series of

935
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: Golfer at Firestone and we went, Jeff forward to Sharon

936
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Country Clubs. You ever played there? We took them over

937
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: there in the range, and I brought costas with me

938
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: and we're back there, and you know, he's got this

939
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: big language swings. He's going to be in the movie

940
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: and the script. He's from Salome A, West Texas. Well,

941
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: if my buddies are gonna watch it, and I'm the

942
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm a technical director, and I got a guy from Salome,

943
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: West Texas with the club had gone down about thirty

944
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: degrees past parallel and arms and legs going everywhere. That

945
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: ain't gonna fly. This swaying had. He had a strong grip,

946
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: closed club face, and a short follows that's the only

947
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: way you played golf in West So we started from

948
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: there and then and luckily Ron Shelton and Gary Foster,

949
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: the producer, we've very good friends, so I got I

950
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: got a lot of leeway and who I wanted in

951
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: there and scenes and everything else. So it was it

952
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: was really fun to do. It was boring as hell

953
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: because you're on the set. I was still working, I

954
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: was playing, and I was also doing this movie. And

955
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: I had to be all over the place as a

956
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: technical director every day, um shooting this thing, or go

957
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: play somewhere and come back and have a guy there

958
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. But it was it was it

959
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: was that creative process, Michael, is what you're asking. I loved.

960
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I loved because I had I had some control over

961
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: all the golf stuff. Okay, and not the rewriting. But

962
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: we put a lot of stuff and I said, you

963
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: know this, that that that, it looks better if you

964
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: did this or that. Um. So it was fun. It

965
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: was fun. I don't know if I'd have the energy

966
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: to do it again because it was the early cast.

967
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Calls were six thirty in the morning. If you were

968
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: shooting early in the late ones or one thirty, and

969
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: you're there all day, all day, I'll get I'll give

970
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: you one with the bar scene with the pelican, and

971
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: Ron got that. I did that actually in Pensacola. Uh,

972
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the scenes in the movie. I

973
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: did that Ron, and I didn't know when he was

974
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: writing it. I didn't even know him that So when

975
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: I got the script, I read it and I went,

976
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: what the hell I did this? Ship? How does he

977
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: know about this? So I called him up and he

978
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: flew out the veil Colorado Edwards, Colorado, where I lived

979
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: in the summer. He flew out in Kevin's airplane and

980
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: we just played golf. I took him up hiking about

981
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: killed him a couple of times and just drank and

982
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: we talked about the movie or anything, what he wanted

983
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: to do, and it was it was really cool. I said, man,

984
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: I man, I'll do this. And and so from there

985
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I got a very good relationship with it with the

986
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: three guys that are running it. So we kind of

987
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: just you know, got in and and acted out all

988
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: of the stuff. And the pelican scene, um I was.

989
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: It was a Penscola and it was me Ed Sneed,

990
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: Bill Calfi and John Schroder staying in the conda. And

991
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: it's a rain out for the day, so we go back.

992
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: We're playing gin for in this kindo in my bedrooms

993
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: in the back down the hallway. So I go back there,

994
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: take a leak and come back out and then look

995
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: at this pelican. We were on a we're on a canal,

996
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: and we had a wharf going out in his publican

997
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: laying on the big post and the deal. I'm look

998
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: and like we're gambling anyway. My clubs are right there,

999
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: and I say, hey, guys, you give me ten shots

1000
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: from the bedroom and I'll betch you I can knock

1001
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: that publican office perch, and they're all looking down. They

1002
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: go game on and money starts slamming down. So I

1003
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: had to move a couple of furniture, move a light,

1004
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: had to open the sliding glass doors, and I had

1005
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: about thirty yards of hallway to go through until I

1006
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: I got to the to the main room and then

1007
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: out the double and then double doors over the wood railing,

1008
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: and then there was another seventy five, the hundred and

1009
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: sixty shot. Well, I got back there and the thing

1010
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: and I'm looking, I'm going, what the hell? How do you?

1011
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: How do you take a club? And Jeff, it was

1012
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: a fore iron? How do I do that? I gotta

1013
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: hit down, I gotta cut it, to spind it, to

1014
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: get it up in the air, to fly this thing

1015
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: without taking a divot out of the carpet, because I

1016
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: didn't have any money at the time, and if I

1017
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: if I ruined the carpet, that's gonna be expensive. And

1018
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: if I pull it, I'm gonna hit one of the

1019
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: sliding glass doors. So all of a sudden, this wasn't

1020
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: very much fun. So I got us everybody out here.

1021
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: It comes and open the doors up and I took

1022
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: a four and I went down my short arm and

1023
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: my left arm and clipped it and just cut across anyway.

1024
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: And I missed the wall about that much on the left,

1025
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: and it's going through the bed or there in the

1026
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: main room now front room, and all of a sudden

1027
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 1: it starts to cut and I'm going right at these

1028
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: glass sliding glass doors and missed it by about that much,

1029
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: went over the rail lane. I look up and it's

1030
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: going right at this freaking pelican and then went over

1031
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: about one foot, right over the top of his head

1032
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: and he flew gone. I went nuts one shot back

1033
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: bedroom and I No one knew about this, nobody. And

1034
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this in the movie going and I

1035
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: called run. I say, where'd you get this? He goes,

1036
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I got a Golf World you were on art. I said, bullshit.

1037
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: So he sat in the article. I don't know who

1038
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: wrote it. I don't know how they found out. One

1039
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: of the other guys wants to told him. So that

1040
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: Pelican scene. We go there and it's a fake bar

1041
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: that they put on this country club they built to

1042
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: about a week unbelievable. And we're sitting in there and

1043
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: this is a big deal because I've got I've got

1044
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: Renee Russo sitting there, I got Kevin, I got everybody

1045
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: else in the movie. I've got Cheatches in there, everything else.

1046
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: And I got this line that's a paragraph. So I

1047
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: go in and I study all night and I'm studied

1048
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: and study it and it's a paragraph. And I mean,

1049
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: they're hard to do anyway, but when you've got real

1050
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: actors there, you don't look like an idiot. So we

1051
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: start and we shoot four five hours and we get

1052
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: done at one thirty and nothing's done. The lighting is wrong,

1053
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 1: the cameras are wrong, and I'm hitting this line every

1054
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: time lunch right for lunch, we're gonna start. We gotta

1055
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: do something else. So I come in here. Renee Russo

1056
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: comes over and she puts out of it, and she goes,

1057
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: and who are you? And I said, I'm I'm Gary

1058
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: McCord um. She says, you're not an actor, right and

1059
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: doing good? I go, no, I go no, Renee, I'm not.

1060
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm a golf professional and I'm her her husband played golf.

1061
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm a golf professional and I'm just the I'm in

1062
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: the movie. And I'm also the technical director. So that's

1063
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: I go, why why don't you think I'm an actor?

1064
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm going, well, god damn it, why why did

1065
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: you think I'm an actor? And she goes, well, Garrett,

1066
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: she says, I knew you weren't an actor when you

1067
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: hit your first line and you nail it, and you

1068
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: hit it again for five hours, and I go, okay,

1069
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: what She goes, okay, when you get a script, we

1070
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: don't even look at the script because we know this first,

1071
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: this scene, which took three days, it's a minute and

1072
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: a half of the movie, a minute forty This scene

1073
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: took three days. And she says, HER's out. I said,

1074
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: tell me how it works. She goes, you get in there,

1075
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: you got your script read over here, and they go okay, Renee,

1076
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: and you go a script read what's my line? She says.

1077
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: It will take a day and a half for these

1078
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: people to get the lighting, to get the camera slide

1079
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: in the right way, to get everything perfect, and then

1080
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: the last half a day, and the last day is

1081
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: when you need the line and you gotta know it.

1082
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: So you got two and a half days to learn

1083
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: the line. We never even looked at the script. So

1084
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie that really helped because I

1085
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: never even I just you know, like a big time

1086
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: guy script and they go, okay, I gotta and you

1087
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: go and she was right. By the time you got done,

1088
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: you were so tired of that line you could say

1089
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: it upside out backwards. I don't know what the question

1090
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: was that. The question is about memorial I think, um no,

1091
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Yeah. I don't know if you ever

1092
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: looked at your Wikipedia Gary, but it says, um, you

1093
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: appeared in tin Cup, a movie he says is based

1094
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: on his life. Is are we? I mean, obviously they picked,

1095
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: but it was based it was based on your life

1096
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: John Jacobs, and not John Jacobs. Jeff knows the teacher

1097
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: John Jacobs. Who is Jeff? How would you how how

1098
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: would you define j j um golf? He's right there,

1099
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: close to one of the best players I've ever applied with,

1100
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: easily better. Little uh I didn't have the discip, didn't

1101
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: really have a self discipline guest. I've known him since

1102
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: we've been one. I think we won't have been arrested once,

1103
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and that was in Tijuana. But that's just another long story.

1104
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: We have time, we have time I've been with it's

1105
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: so many of these these things that he's got into. UM.

1106
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: The other day, we're talking on the radar. I remember

1107
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: I usually hear most of them, right, I'm talking to

1108
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: j J. And JJ was six ft to pounds um,

1109
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: long hair, good looking guy. Hit it miles. He had

1110
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: a standing bet with Jim Debt of ten thousand dollars

1111
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: any place, anytime, long drive, anytime, and Debt couldn't have

1112
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: beat him. He would hit it farther anybody've ever seen

1113
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: with wooden clubs and everything else, and and JJ would.

1114
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: So we're talking and he goes and we go down,

1115
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: and he called me when Evil Kneedle came into town

1116
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: at La Costa. I lived in Escondida, which is about

1117
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: minute drive, and he and he and Evil were good buddies.

1118
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: And Evil, for whatever reason, love to lose on the

1119
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: golf course. And I mean love to lose. I mean

1120
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: We've got in the first tea at LaCosta and here

1121
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: was the game. There was a money game whatever it

1122
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: was for it, but if you hit a tree you

1123
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: had to pay the other guys in the group five

1124
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: thousand apiece. This was this was a while ago. This

1125
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: is a seventies what five thousand apiece? I t the

1126
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: ball that high and I just burned it right along

1127
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: the ground. Never got it in the air because Evil

1128
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: is all over the places and trees everywhere. I don't

1129
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: always settle for half. I don't know what it was.

1130
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: But Evil got to lose money one time. Uh. And

1131
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: JJ is saying this on the air. He says, I

1132
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: beat I beat Evil out of a hundred and seventy

1133
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: five thou And he said he was there for fourteen

1134
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: days at LaCosta, and he said about fifteenth day he

1135
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: comes up to him. Evil comes up to j J

1136
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: and says, hey, I gotta go to New Orleans and

1137
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I broke. So JJ gives him seventy five grand, okay,

1138
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: and he says this in the air. I go, what

1139
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna say, you actually get me collateral? Yeah, yeah,

1140
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: he gave me something, but I never I never looked

1141
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: at it. And I gave the money I knew was

1142
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna I knew if I'd never seen it again. So

1143
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: then he says, you know, and he says, finally, I'm

1144
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: on the parking lot one day, back behind the condos

1145
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: there where Evil said he left me something. So he said,

1146
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: I wart to go see what the hell? Listen a

1147
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: month two months afterwards, and he goes back there and

1148
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: he sees, uh, there's a car there. It's got a

1149
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: tarp over it. So he undoes it and there is

1150
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: Evil Kinevil's do you ever, guys remember seeing his studs barkat?

1151
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: Just all you gotta do is go and google and

1152
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: look at Evil kinevil car And there is Evil with

1153
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: a stuts barkat. This is the damnedest thing you've ever seen.

1154
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: This car is outfitted with it is it is? It's

1155
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy I think it's a seventy six. And

1156
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: it was Evil's car, Evil's car And I go, ho,

1157
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: he gave you that? Or you kidding? And he goes yeah,

1158
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: but he's next to it. He says there was his trailer.

1159
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: And he said there's another tarp on it. So he

1160
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: said he gave me that to whatever it was. And

1161
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: he says, this is JJ telling the story. He takes

1162
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: off the tar and he's looking at and he's telling me.

1163
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: He goes, it was it was. It was all broken

1164
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: and it was just a bunch of metal and it

1165
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: was a thing. And he signed it for me and

1166
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: I said a rocket and he goes, yeah, wait about it.

1167
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: That was the rocket he went all over the Snake River. Yeah, yeah,

1168
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: that's it. I go, well, ship, So we started going

1169
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: nuts now and we while we're on here, we call

1170
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: up eBay or something got eBay to see how much

1171
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: those two things would be worth the day on eBay

1172
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: and it was somewhere around five to six million. Okay,

1173
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: j J. Where'd they go? Ah? He said? A week

1174
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 1: later he said, I had a bad run at del

1175
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: Mar with the horses. And he said, I had a

1176
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: buddy of miners in the salvages business. So I gave

1177
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: him to him for four grand was spur. Yeah, and

1178
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: you gave him the that went over the day for

1179
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: four grade? Yeah yeah, he said. I lost that the

1180
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: next day to have the track. So it was just

1181
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: a storyline. It's just just said, it's just just unbelievable.

1182
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: You just you can't gather up all the stories. So anyway,

1183
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: the movie was about lay there's a lot of j

1184
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: J do my stories. So we're back into you one,

1185
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and now what were yours? This? When I, um, we're

1186
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: playing in Mexicano, JJ and myself and j J lives LaCosta.

1187
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: I live over there, he called me, and then we're

1188
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: in the last group together and there's one group behind us.

1189
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: We're playing pretty good for the Mexican Open. So he goes,

1190
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: come on over and he says, I'll drive you over there. Well,

1191
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: j J never had a car ever, never had a car.

1192
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: And I'm where he got his stuff. Um, guy gave

1193
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: him a condo there LaCosta. His brother ran it. He

1194
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: was a golf pro, Tommy. So we go there. He's

1195
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: got something. He's got a black fire. Remember where we

1196
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: got it. So we get the clubs to get here.

1197
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: We go. Now, we get and as you know, if

1198
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: you guys been into Juanna lately or this was thirty

1199
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: years ago. So they got a bunch of traffic. They

1200
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: got traffic circles. Okay, they got traffic circles. Now, J

1201
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: J j J was well looped by the time I

1202
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: got there at his house. I got to his house

1203
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: at seven thirty in the morning, and he had he

1204
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: had one of those big gulps you know about like

1205
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: that you got at seven eleven and it flared at

1206
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: the top, and that was all full of bias and

1207
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: straight vodka and he's driving, drinking, driving, drinking. We go

1208
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: and we get one of those circles and he gets

1209
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: he gets some somehow, somehow he got to going to

1210
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: the circle and returned. And now he's in the structor.

1211
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: He's going the wrong way. He's going against the flow, okay,

1212
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: and so he's going the wrong way and all of

1213
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, here comes the lights behind his Dan Dean

1214
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: and I went, uh Jesus. And he looked at me

1215
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: and he goes, we had a problem. I go what.

1216
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: He goes, My LISSN has expired twelve years ago. I

1217
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: said what he said, Yeah, but I think I can

1218
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: get out of it. And I go, oh God. So

1219
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: I know. He goes back and JJ's m O was

1220
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: with the cops that he would lean on the car

1221
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: and not let him out before they got out, so

1222
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: they have to roll the window down. And he was

1223
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: talking to him this one it's a great move. He

1224
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: did it every time. I don't know how he did it.

1225
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: And so he's talking to this company. I've got the

1226
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 1: I've got the mirror, mirror and I tilted it. I'm

1227
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: sweating like a dog because we're going to go to

1228
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Mexican jail. I'm in Tijuana. This is not gonna end well.

1229
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: And he's going like this and like this, and I oh.

1230
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: And he comes back in the car and said, and

1231
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: go hold on. And he gets out. He's got his

1232
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: big gulp on the top of the car and he

1233
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: grabs it and he takes a dry and toast the cop. Okay,

1234
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: not good, okay, and we're running late. Now I get

1235
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: into the first steam. So now the next thing, he

1236
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: gets in the car and he goes, hang on, we've

1237
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: got an escar. I go, hell, woud you tell him?

1238
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: I said, well, this would be an international event because

1239
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: either you or are going to win this event for

1240
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: their national opening golf. And if we don't get there

1241
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: in time, it is gonna be on you, the cop.

1242
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: That's what he's stilling the cop. So here we go

1243
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: through back roads into sirens going and everything else, and

1244
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: we got there. And so we get done. J J Jeff.

1245
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: The second first hold to you want to come to

1246
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: a dog light to the right goes down and the

1247
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: next hole comes up. I'll join it. We go down

1248
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: the cart path on one and pulls right just about

1249
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: fall out of the cart and he drives down and

1250
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: he goes down as a barkhart. It's a red single

1251
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: front wheel drive Barkhart, you know all of it's got

1252
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: all the wood in the back of the plywood and

1253
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: get stuff. And he gave him fifty bucks. And the

1254
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: red cart was never more than three ft wherever we went,

1255
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: the red cart was behind us, and j G was

1256
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: plowed cloud. He couldn't see. In fact, at the last

1257
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: three holes he would get out and I'd have to

1258
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: club him. And I'm playing, I'm in the tournament. We

1259
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: can't give I can't give advice or the Then we

1260
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: get out and I had walked by when he was

1261
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: fiddling through his bag. I go seven iron money and

1262
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: I was reading his putts. I've walked behind him three

1263
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: ft out to the right down hill and he ends

1264
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: up in a tie with Mark File. So we get done,

1265
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: and we were sitting there and the term of director

1266
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 1: comes up and he goes, we're on the tea, where's

1267
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: your buddy? I can't find him. Oh God, hold on,

1268
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: So I running the bar. He's got his face down

1269
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: on the bar. He's just gone. He's gone. He's out.

1270
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: So I said, I totally got just give me ten

1271
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: and it's time in install. So we get him coffee

1272
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: and everything else. He gets on the first, I'm catting

1273
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: for him now the term catting for him. And he

1274
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: gets gets on the first tee, he takes us three

1275
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: with out. He can't see the ground and he hit

1276
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: the ball. It's just the end of the team and

1277
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: he's laughing like he gets up now the whole three sixty.

1278
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: He gets up, takes us three with uh, gives it

1279
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: a mighty whack and hits it on the green. He

1280
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: just hit a three forty the great off the tea.

1281
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: It's a little dog like that, right, it rolled along? Wait,

1282
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: get a three on the green. He went bogey bogey,

1283
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: double bogie and lost the Mexican Open with the double

1284
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: bogey mark bogey the hall and that was it. And

1285
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: then I had to drive him home in his firebird

1286
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: and we didn't get arrested that time, but we got

1287
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: really close. And that was Mexican Open, Tijuana Country Club.

1288
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: Well those are the days, people. I thought he was

1289
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: gonna kill me, but he never did. And now and

1290
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: now the tour is so corporate and different like Jefferent

1291
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: in those days, God almighty, we're we're out of a

1292
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: conversation the other day. But well, basically the tour now

1293
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: in their reaction to Live is basically lining up like

1294
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: Live is. And our tour started and it was top

1295
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: sixty for a long time when I came on the tour.

1296
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: And then um, I got the bright idea to do

1297
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: the all exempt tours, so I readed the tour all

1298
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: Exempt Tour in six to allow more guys to be

1299
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: able to play instead of sixty knowing where they're going. Uh,

1300
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: we allowed a d The number was um I can remember,

1301
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: and I did this in eighty six. Took me about

1302
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: seven weeks to do it. It's the tour were qualifiers

1303
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: and no one know it was gonna afford to go home.

1304
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: So we're just there was a better in existence of

1305
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: guys going from one qualifying site to the next. We're

1306
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: never allowed on the on the site until te off time.

1307
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: He couldn't go to Sunday, so we'd have to disappear

1308
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: somewhere and go and uh. And that was allowing the

1309
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: tour to become more socialistic and involving more players to

1310
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: be able to plan a consistent paces. And now they're

1311
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: basically Jeff, as you know, they've redone it now now

1312
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: they're going back to seventy, so that two are now

1313
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,839
Speaker 1: they're basically going back into the womb uh and catering

1314
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: to the top guys, top guys to counteract Live. So

1315
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: it's an interesting it's an interesting deal. Like, what would

1316
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:46,480
Speaker 1: be your advice to Monahan to try to continue to

1317
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: be the supreme tour in golf? Is it? Is it

1318
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: even a worthy goal? What? What would be what Monahan

1319
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: calls you? He says, Gary Bin this game a long time.

1320
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: What should I be doing? Well? He is? He is,

1321
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: he's very reactive and he wasn't proactive and that that's

1322
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: that that's the problem because now he's been dictated by

1323
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: um by Live on what he's doing. You can you

1324
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: can see what they're doing. They're doing the exact same thing.

1325
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: Live is. Um Jay is in a precarious spot because

1326
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: the changes occurred when two guys outside of the system

1327
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: decided to have a meeting with twenty four other guys

1328
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: that were in the system to change the system. When

1329
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do that. He's he's the guy that's

1330
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be leading the tour of the players in

1331
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: the direction he thinks fit. So Tiger, Tiger and Rory

1332
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: come in and they decide that they're going to go

1333
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: in we're gonna have elevated events, and we're gonna have

1334
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: the top guys playing all the tournaments together and kill

1335
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: them with, you know, a blunt force trauma basically to counteract. Um. Okay,

1336
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: that's fine so far as decision making has been from

1337
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: the players and not him and the board. That's an

1338
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: interesting because now you've got a dereliction of authority. Authority

1339
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: has now changed, it's transferred without really any meetings anything

1340
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: going on. I found that interesting. M The next thing

1341
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: you've got is money. Jay has got a if this

1342
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: thing goes to court, which it is at this point

1343
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: going to go to court. Um. I think you've got

1344
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: a seven to ten year process. According to the other

1345
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: antitrust stuff that we've had, it is going to be laborious.

1346
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: And in this process is discovery. And at the discovery

1347
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: is anything which I think Live is trying to push

1348
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: it to, and that is the tourist taxis and status

1349
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: of a five oh one C six or We're supposed

1350
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: to enter the year with nothing and then come out

1351
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: fire in the next year and try to in with

1352
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: nothing to get that status. Uh, there's a lot of

1353
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: money floating around that. Phil actually said there was and

1354
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: it came to be, and there's a lot of money

1355
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: being piled on. I understand the media right kicked in.

1356
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: They're getting seven sixty million a year from that through

1357
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: two thirty. But in discovery there's gonna be a lot

1358
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: of things that I don't think the tour wants the I, R,

1359
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: S and d J to know about my opinion. And

1360
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: if that comes out, I think they're gonna be flinching.

1361
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: If they lose their task exempt status as a tour,

1362
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: they're in trouble. They're in serious trouble. You can't it

1363
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: would be like, okay, I'm I'm a Scott Stalward Phoenix Open. Okay,

1364
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: Now the tour has redone. You've got to have an

1365
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: ownership like the NFL. Okay, so they somebody owns Thunderbirds

1366
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: on the They only the golf tournament and they got

1367
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: to pay all these guys now to show up at

1368
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: their golf tournament to come all the infrastructure has got

1369
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,440
Speaker 1: to be paid for revenue. They've got to create theirselves.

1370
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: They don't have any meteorite thing at this point. Volunteers,

1371
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: you got volunteers. You gotta pay them all. Wow, man,

1372
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: that every week to do that? That would be a

1373
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: nose plate for the tour. And I gotta assume, I

1374
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: gotta assume that the saudisn't live are looking right at

1375
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: that in in this uh, in this litigation that's going

1376
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: to go on for ever, and it's gonna get some

1377
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: monotonous and soltitious and it's the separation is already there.

1378
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: It's the separation is huge, like the San Andreas broke open,

1379
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: and it's gonna get worse. It's gonna get worse and

1380
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: worse and worse. So I don't like the direction it's gone.

1381
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: I hope that there is some calmer heads take over

1382
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: and everybody is allowed to live in the same not

1383
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: that live l I v E live in the same

1384
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: in the same golf environment. And we have a world tour,

1385
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: which is already is anyway, but let's have a world tour.

1386
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: Let's have these guys want to play twenty five events, Fine,

1387
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: let's events a million DP. You get, you get, you

1388
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: get a bunch, tour gets more UM Latin America, you

1389
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: get some Asian, you get some live, you get some

1390
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: and everybody play and then there'll be a secondary tour

1391
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: under that UM and that's a fee or tour to

1392
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: get in, but we can't do that now. I'm pretty

1393
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: sure Live would like to do that, but I don't

1394
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: think the guy run and Live right now is up

1395
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: to having a nice meeting of calmer minds. I just

1396
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. My boy Greg's in

1397
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: that that position, but I think that has that has

1398
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: to happen. We can't have this thing go to court

1399
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: and set in court for ten years. They're canna do

1400
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: nobody good, nobody any good. My opinion, well, that that's

1401
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: an invaluable one, because yeah, don't I'm not sure people

1402
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: recognize your role in creating the All Exempt Tour and

1403
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: so you've you've been following the politics and bureaucracy of

1404
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: this stuff for a super long time, so that that's

1405
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: definitely an interesting point of view. Before before we we

1406
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,919
Speaker 1: send we send you off into the night, Gary, what's

1407
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: the best story that you're sitting on you've never told

1408
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: on the airwaves? Play? What's one good thing you can

1409
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: give the listeners? This is your mic drop? Come on,

1410
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: I know we're putting on the spot here, but you've

1411
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: gotta be sitting on some some gold. Okay, Um, where

1412
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: Charlotte it is a humid, humid, hot day, tarzan like,

1413
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: and it's a Saturday, and Tiger is in the second

1414
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: to last group and making a run and out with

1415
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: Tiger is David Ear on the ground. And so we're

1416
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: out there now. When we go to commercial break, everybody

1417
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: in the tower. Director comes on. He goes, Peter you there,

1418
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: and Peter, yes, here are you there? Like what what?

1419
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: Who's talking to? And then everybody's got there their signatures

1420
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: saying to come on, okay that I'm there. When they

1421
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: got the Charity Ferrety's signature is, as you know, Jeff,

1422
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: charity is is he is enveloped in gas. Okay, he

1423
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: has a flatulence problem and it is prolific how good

1424
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 1: he is and how he can coordinate flatulence. Two songs

1425
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: to everything. So he puts the microphone down and he

1426
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: just pops one. That's everybody knows and now we don't.

1427
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: It's just you hear that, okay, David here, okay, but

1428
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: David at this time and the winning and then when anyway,

1429
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: Oh so now he's on fifteen and we go now

1430
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: and let's say, okay, let's let's go now, let's go

1431
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: back to seventeen and I'm thinking, oh, what the hell

1432
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: is So we go to the six and I'm looking.

1433
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: It's a it's at the Kemper there and so Jeff,

1434
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's just that straight, slight dog like to

1435
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: the right part four and I can I can see

1436
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: the tea from my tower there, and I'm looking at

1437
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: him and he had khaki pants on when he started around.

1438
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: And now I looked down and he's got he's got

1439
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: brain pants on, and I go, okay, this is good,

1440
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: so now get the binoculars. Get it. So we got

1441
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: binoculars up there, and and he's walking off the tea

1442
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: and he is splay footed. His hell, okay, it looks

1443
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: like wise colf walking. Okay, toes are going outward and

1444
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: he's walking kind of damn, he shipped his pants. This

1445
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 1: is is hot. It is ugly, and he's with Tiger.

1446
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: So now we're sitting there, I'm watching him. I'm watching

1447
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: he goes in the trees on the right and he

1448
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: can't get anywhere because they're twenty deep right watching Tiger.

1449
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: So he's over there and the balls, the ball is

1450
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: a good eight yards from where he is, and I go, David,

1451
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: I said, I know you're down there looking at that lie.

1452
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: What's it look like? I look up and he gives

1453
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: me the finger. Okay, he's done the middle of people

1454
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: and he gets here the finger, So I got him.

1455
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: Now he knows that I know he shipped his pants,

1456
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to go anywhere. So get up

1457
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: and and you know it makes up something about the

1458
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: lie and he hits it about fifteen feet Okay, So

1459
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: David doesn't move, he stays underneath the trees way back there.

1460
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: You don't want to walk for obvious reasons, so get

1461
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 1: out his pot. Tigger has got about a fifteen foot

1462
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: and he's kind of he's kind of tiger walking around

1463
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: looking and I gotta but I know you got down

1464
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: early and looked at this. Now we've got the camera

1465
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: right behind the ball and you could see it it is.

1466
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: We've got what that what I call warm camp then

1467
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: and sitting on the ground looking you can see the

1468
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: break and it's a break of about five six inches

1469
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: right the left. David goes and he goes, yeah, I

1470
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: think this punch should go about three or four inches

1471
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: to the right. I said, really, okay, Kenny, we know

1472
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: we had a picture of it. It goes right. He goes, oh, well,

1473
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. So now we waddle off and

1474
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: we go play. He goes and play seventeen and eighteen.

1475
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: Now everybody now knows, and including Lands, our director Lance

1476
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: Borow fairly gets done and the compound is right above

1477
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: the green, it's only about sixty yards away. David gets done,

1478
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: Tiger puts out, David starts hauling up the hill. It's

1479
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: got to change his pants and everything else. Lands goes

1480
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: David holding stay there and get an interview from Tiger.

1481
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: So we go to commercial break and the camera locks

1482
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: it on. There's three of them and he's got and

1483
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: David David is on one side, Tigers in the middle,

1484
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: and Stevie Williams on the other. So we keep the

1485
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: camera on and we keep and they take the commercial

1486
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: off of our air feed, and we're watching this and

1487
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: we're sitting there. We're wondering when Tiger is gonna say something.

1488
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: So we go and the next thing you hear is

1489
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Tiger and Tiger haste to do interviews. Hates it, doesn't

1490
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: want to stay around to do any of these interviews.

1491
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: Especially He's gotta wait, David, how long we got to

1492
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: get on this commercial? David Lance Lance. Tiger wants to

1493
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: know how long if we're down here, there's seconds Tigers

1494
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: all right, all right? So they shut down again and

1495
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: the commercials going and Tiger you see him, Jesus God, Stevie, what,

1496
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything? And he turns to Dave. It

1497
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 1: and his heads serving like this going around, and David

1498
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: meets him. His head goes, that's way. He says, I

1499
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: shot myself on fifteen. Tiger goes, what and he jumps

1500
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: out of the way. He jumps backwards away from it,

1501
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: and now Alans goes, let's go down to David. He's

1502
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 1: got Tiger Woods, Tigers. He's running away from it. David's

1503
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: got the mic. He's trying to get an interview his

1504
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: pants and fort crap, and Tiger and Stevie are running

1505
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: like hell and he can't get the interview. And it

1506
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: was it was it looked like the three stooges out

1507
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 1: there really did. So that's that's a story behind the

1508
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: scenes of David Ship and his pants uh on a

1509
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: hot day with Tiger in an interview, and Tiger smelled it.

1510
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: It was really bad. Yes, really, So that's the way

1511
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: television goes. I'm not sure if I'm glad you told

1512
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 1: that story or not, but it's out there. Yeah, exactly

1513
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: wanted a story. So that's a story I used, had

1514
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot of speeches. I can go twenty minutes on that.

1515
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: For a quick addenda. That story as it relates to

1516
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Gary's uh former colleague, longtime CBS newsman, Walter Cronkite. Do

1517
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: you ever meet him? Gary? I I did not, but

1518
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: Frank chick Kenyan was his onset director at CBS. UH

1519
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: in news with Walter, and that's one when did When

1520
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: did Walter die? There's a certain age so like, yeah,

1521
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: I would get mid lady. Yeah, I didn't know this.

1522
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: This where his CBS newsman Walter Cronkites three rules of life,

1523
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: as it relates to this conversation, Uh, never trust a fart,

1524
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: never turned down a drink, and never ignore interaction. That

1525
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: would be yeah, yeah, from speaking for old announcers, yeah,

1526
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: that would be a pretty good three. Doble a. Clearly

1527
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: it's time to end this podcast. Uh Gar, You've been

1528
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: a great sport. Thank you, Thank you for your time,

1529
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: um and all all the stories. Jeff any any parting

1530
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: words for you? Your former pigeon out at that whisper no, No,

1531
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: that was great magic. Thank you. Um, I've heard most

1532
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: of them before, but it's always good fun. Um. Yeah,

1533
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: he'll give me, he'll give me five and I can't

1534
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: beat him, and so much when you get back a

1535
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: few weeks probably so I really opened sometimes so we'll say, yeah,

1536
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: bring bring me twenty. Well that was a journey. Yeah,

1537
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: you just gotta push play right, You're just gonna ask

1538
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: one question and you get whatever you want from Gary.

1539
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: He's uh, but I tell you he's nobody is more

1540
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: passionate and enthusiastic about golf and the tour and the

1541
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: whole sport. And um moost guys who grew up and

1542
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: played in his era. Would traditional gods are? Are Are? They

1543
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: like metal sparks and passimmon woods and bladas. It was

1544
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: so much better in Maday. But he's not like that

1545
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: at all. He embraces every year as it comes along.

1546
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: He just froths on golf every day the year. Yeah,

1547
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: he's fantastic. And his story he's got more stories, and

1548
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: he's he's fair. He's he's had this magnetism for the

1549
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: characters that have played golf in the last fifty years.

1550
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 1: He's always hanging around the characters Mac O'Grady and John

1551
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: Jacobs and um does magic tricks in the bar. And yeah,

1552
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: he's an entertainer. He's fantastic. I missed I missed him

1553
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: on the airwaves too. He just see he made it fun,

1554
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: as he was saying, I mean, it's it's supposed to

1555
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: be fun. It's an entertainment product. And of course it's

1556
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: serious and it's meaningful, but the viewers at home want

1557
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: to be entertained. I always thought he was great at it.

1558
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry we don't get more of them.

1559
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: He also showed it and uh, I've been reminded this

1560
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 1: occasionally over the years, but you didn't see it on TV. Really,

1561
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of moves in this game. I

1562
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: mean he played obviously a really high level, or he

1563
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: would not have one of the tours where he won.

1564
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: And of course he's a he's a wonderful storyteller, and

1565
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 1: he's he's knowing everybody and appreciates people who aren't really

1566
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: famous the game, like a John Jacobs. But then when

1567
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: he got in the weeds of talking about you know,

1568
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: the money and and live p J Tour and how

1569
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: it relates to versus the sixty or the other way around,

1570
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: you should probably say it. He's got a really sharp

1571
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: mind and a really big grasp. But it's it's interesting

1572
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: to hear him describe himself as as dyslexic, but you know,

1573
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: with that dyslexia often comes a lot of creativity and

1574
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: interesting ways of looking at things. And uh, it's neat.

1575
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: It was neat to listen to him all these different

1576
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: moves moves that he has. Honestly, I love hang out

1577
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: with Mac for twelve hours straight takes a uh. I

1578
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: mean I actually love his idea for for telecasting live

1579
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: events like that. Would that would be a major improvement

1580
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: because now they're trying to do it like the tour

1581
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 1: does it, but just it's not they're not too in

1582
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: it as well, you know, but like to completely blow

1583
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: up the whole medium. I mean a a McCord charity

1584
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, I mean, it's guaranteed to be entertaining. Didn't

1585
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: reflect well on Greg Norman. That that that Greg Gorman

1586
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: couldn't take twenty minutes to hear Gary McCord out guy

1587
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: who's got thirty five years in TV to hear what

1588
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: would you do with your TV broadcast? It's wild. I

1589
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I would. I would spend the thirty minutes

1590
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: listening to him. I mean that, Yeah, that could be

1591
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: a game, right, I mean, if you put a camera on,

1592
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: keep bringing up Whisbrock. But he's remember he's the he's

1593
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: in the guys every day at whist Brock. But if

1594
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: you watch the golf on the weekend at west Brock

1595
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: and you just put a tyble on, you put a

1596
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: camera on the table where he was sitting in a

1597
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: few are the other guys. That's why more entertaining than

1598
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: what we get on TV. It's and it's it's how

1599
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: we all watch golf rock, don't we sort of want

1600
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: to hear intelligent Lewis fun chat about what's going on.

1601
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: We don't need to tell someone that God just hold

1602
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: the six foot because we just saw it with our os.

1603
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Just give us conversation over the top. That's real fun.

1604
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: It would be fantastic entertainment, even if it was non official.

1605
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, you could like the Manning thing, You could

1606
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: just put a camera on experts and let him talk

1607
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: about it and be fantastic. Yeah, I love it. I

1608
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: love it. Gary McCord, what a guy. He just strikes

1609
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: him as someone who's got no plan for the day.

1610
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna wake up and see what the dame rings is.

1611
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: My impression is that would that be about it, right, Chef?

1612
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty true. Yeah, he's always he just he gets

1613
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: excited about things like if you present him with something. Yeah,

1614
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: he wakes up, what's going to happen now and someone

1615
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: presents him with something, or if his phone rings and

1616
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: someone calls him with something interesting. Interesting things just happened

1617
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 1: to him, um or he turned he makes them interesting.

1618
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: That happened to all of us. But he he grabs

1619
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: the thread and takes it and makes it interesting. He'll

1620
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: turn up to he'll turn up to the golf club

1621
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: with this manuscript of some sort of golf machine guy

1622
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: who has done a thesis on the golfing from a

1623
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: physics perspective, and it will be this binder with all

1624
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: this loose leaf stuck in it that's foes and he'll

1625
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: be going through it saying se Max said this was

1626
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: true too, and this guy scientifically proved it. And then

1627
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: the next day he'll be coming down with some prototype.

1628
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: He was sort of connected with Bob Parsons a little

1629
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: bit of time when he started p x G and

1630
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: why can't I make a legal equipment Like I just

1631
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: want the ball to go as far for everyone as

1632
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: I can. And he gets involved in equipment, Um, he'll

1633
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: advised mentor like and play with all the young sort

1634
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of young up and coming to a players, it was

1635
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: probably yeah, he does it all. He just he's a

1636
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: really fun guy to hang around and that sort of

1637
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:45,520
Speaker 1: enthusiasm is contagious. I love it. Well, certainly a Lavely podcast.

1638
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: All right, this was another need of fourth We'll keep

1639
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: we'll keep doing these. We have some other very fun

1640
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,959
Speaker 1: interesting guests coming up. So um for now, I'm Alan Shipnuk.

1641
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: That was Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bamberger and of course

1642
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: the one only Gary McCord. Thank you for listening, and

1643
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: uh that's it. That's the end. M m mm hmmm.

1644
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's a dangerous group here.