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Speaker 1: All Access from the Honday Texans Radio Studio. I am

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Speaker 1: John Harris and Boyd we have some good stuff for you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit right out of the gate here in

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Speaker 1: the lab with me and Drew Doherty. We talked a

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing a lot of all these running backs classes.

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Speaker 1: And then before you know it, Chub Hubbard to doing

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Speaker 1: that's sauce. Gardner, the corner out of Detroit, Michigan, played

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stay with the Texans first. First. Now, the

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Speaker 1: I think you'd get a little bit later, and only

426
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Speaker 1: so many teams are gonna take running backs. I would imagine,

427
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Speaker 1: let's say there's three or two teams see maybe twenty

428
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Speaker 1: of them take running backs, so they're all twenty gonna

429
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Speaker 1: prioritize taking a running back in the second round. So

430
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: there's gonna be running backs in the third, fourth, fifth

431
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: round that you're gonna look up and go, whoa man

432
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Quon White from South Dakota or from South Carolina is

433
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Speaker 1: available in the fifth round. Let's go Abram Smith, Baylor.

434
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Let's go two guys that were formerly linebackers last year

435
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: or two years ago that turned into really good running

436
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: backs in twenty twenty one. So it's a really fun

437
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: position depth wise, and it's something and that I know

438
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: our fans want to know about. They want to know

439
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: about these running backs because they want to see a

440
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: young guy come in and do some good things. And

441
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: in Kyle Station, I saw a good one or local homeboy,

442
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller. And hopefully he's got an opportunity to come

443
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: back here in Houston and be kind of nice. And

444
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: if he comes, maybe he'll take his offensive guard Kenyan

445
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Green with him, a man from a task of seat

446
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: as a dude. So bring both them and let's rock

447
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: and roll. Smaggiees Hey, there's a Texan coaching the Texans

448
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: now and Lovey Smith, and he's very proud of that. Yes,

449
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: and I said that when I said that, when I

450
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: brought that up to him, he said, say that again.

451
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: So how about some players who are Texans becoming Texans? Yeah, man,

452
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm all about Texans becoming Texans. Kenyan Green, Isaiah Spiller.

453
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: We get start there, Ziam a column out of Sam Houston.

454
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see his pro day next week. That's

455
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Anybody else, come on, let's go Texans,

456
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: come to the Texans. It's all good with the head Texan,

457
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: Lovey Smith of Big Sandy. All right, we get back.

458
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: It's doing a little bit more, a little bit about

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Speaker 1: a guy from the d that's Detroit Sauce Gardener. Could

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00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: he go his highs three? I'm really leaning that way.

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Speaker 1: Let's learn more about it. From Justin Williams The Athletic

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Speaker 1: with Deepcito next to Texas, all Axis Saint Texans, All

463
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: Axis Saint Texans, Alaxis Saint Texas. This will happen each

464
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: in every year. At about this time you start getting

465
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: draft crushes. Well, Deep Cito, my good friend has found

466
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: her draft crush. It is Cincinnati quarterback a mod gardener.

467
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: You gonna wait my garden. Yeah, Sauce, that's how you

468
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: know him. He wears this sauce necklace around his neck.

469
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: This guy is all baller from the d from Detroit, Michigan.

470
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: He is a superstar and deep. He got a chance

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00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: to learn a little bit more about Sauce Gardner from

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Speaker 1: Justin Williams, who covers the Bearcats for the Athletic Deepe

473
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Speaker 1: Letter Rip. All Right, I'm so glad to have you

474
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: to talk about Sauce because in learning about him, we

475
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: got to start with the name, because when you google him,

476
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: there's a whole story about how he got the nickname.

477
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: But since you've covered him, I want to hear it

478
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: from you because I think a lot of people don't

479
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: know why he's called Sauce Gardner. And secondly, is this

480
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: his legal name? Because I have seen him referred to

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00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: his Sauce without posts, so it is not his legal

482
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: name at least as far as I'm aware now. I

483
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: think once you have a diamond and crusted chain that

484
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: says that, like, maybe that counts as as a legal

485
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: name change. I'm not sure, but yeah, he got the

486
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: name from one of his peewee football coaches. You know,

487
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to like he kept calling

488
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: him sweet feet sauce, and you know, it just kind

489
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: of developed into sauce over the years. The interesting thing

490
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: was he came in as this really like gangly, skinny

491
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: freshman at Cincinnati in the twenty nineteen class recruiting class,

492
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean one hundred and fifty pounds with equipment on.

493
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: He was unbelievably rail thin, and even early on when

494
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: he was like kind of down the depth chart as

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00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: a freshman, he was not a highly touted recruit three

496
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: star at a Detroit you know, good intriguing prospect, but

497
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: not someone that people would have guessed would be a

498
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: top ten, you know, NFL draftic coming in. And he

499
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: had always kind of said like, oh yeah, everyone should

500
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Speaker 1: call me Sauce, And you know, head coach Luke Fickle

501
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff and a lot of players at Cincinnati,

502
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: we're basically like, we're not going to call you that

503
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: until you earn it. Yeah. And in twenty nineteen as

504
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: a as a true freshman, he had a big pick

505
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Speaker 1: six interception against UCF. It was a home game for Cincinnati,

506
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: a night game. They were the underdog at the time

507
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: and that it kind of put them in the lead

508
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: and kind of shifted the momentum of that game. And

509
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Speaker 1: in the postgame press conference, Luke Fickle was kind of like,

510
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: all right, I guess he's earned the nickname Sauce now.

511
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: And Fickle will still call him a mod, and some

512
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: of the guys Kobe Bryant, who was his you know,

513
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: cornerback duo at Cincinnati, who kind of knew him when

514
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: he came in, he still calls him a mod. But

515
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: pretty much anyone else calls him Sauce, including when I,

516
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: you know, I started writing it in print. I remember

517
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: talking to my editor point and he was like, you know,

518
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: if you're an All American and you're going to be

519
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: a top ten NFL draft pick, I guess we can

520
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: we can call you Sauce. Plus it's just too too

521
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: cool of a nickname not to use. It is too

522
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: cool of a nickname. And you know, even on the

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00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: NFL Combine prospects list, you know, they had this Cincinnati

524
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: Bearcats are but like eight of them invited, he was

525
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: listed as Sauce Gardener even on that. So I thought,

526
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: maybe it's an official thing, but let's just clear the

527
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: air with that. I love the fact that he showed

528
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: up to the combine with the bling necklace that said

529
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Sauce on it. So I mean, I have to start

530
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: with this personality because I can sort of extrapolate between

531
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: all these little stories. But what is he like off

532
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: the field? It seems like he's a pretty gregarious, like

533
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: what you want your cornerback to be, personality wise, But

534
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: what can you tell tell us a little bit about

535
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: him and what he's like off the field. Yeah, and

536
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: this is honestly, it's a credit to him. He is

537
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of the perfect mix of like brash, swaggy cornerback

538
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: and also you know, humble and determined and hard working,

539
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: and it can be hard to kind of mesh those

540
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: two together. I think when you see a cornerback named

541
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: Sauce and he's he's wearing the bling and you know,

542
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: kind of has this aura about him, you kind of assume, like,

543
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I get who this guy is,

544
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: and you know you shouldn't judge him purely on that though.

545
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: If you sit and talk with him, he's he's really smart.

546
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: He was a really good student in school, had you know,

547
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: like a three point four grade point average or something

548
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: like that I don't even want to sell him short

549
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: if it was a little higher than that, but just

550
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: also really hard working and a lot of that goes to,

551
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, the culture that Cincinnati has built. Kobe Bryant,

552
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: who I mentioned the Jim Thorpe Award winners, the other

553
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: cornerback for for Cincinnati, who's going to get drafted this

554
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: year as well. He was a couple of years older

555
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: than than Sauce and had a huge impact just on

556
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: him in the weight room and kind of off the

557
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: field and work ethic and things like that. But yeah,

558
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, confidence in his ability, it's

559
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: there are very few that are on Sauce's level. You know.

560
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: There are plenty of like um quotes or examples you

561
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: can you can point to that he's had over the

562
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: years in college. But the one that I loved the most,

563
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: he just said, you know, a couple weeks ago at

564
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the Combine, he didn't allow a single touchdown ass in

565
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: coverage at Cincinnati over US three years. And a reporter

566
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: asked him at the Combine, like, what are you gonna do,

567
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, when you give one up in the NFL

568
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: a touchdown, And his response was, I don't plan on

569
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: giving one up and like that. You know that encapolates

570
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Sauce in the sense that he totally believes in himself.

571
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: He has that confidence in that swag, but he also

572
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: has the work ethic and in kind of the personality

573
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: trades to back all that up. I think that was

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that impressed me the most in

575
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: reading about him was that he had not given up

576
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: a touchdown in over a thousand snaps at Cincinnati. So

577
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: what can you tell us about the strengths of his game?

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00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: Give us a little snapshot of his style of play. Yeah,

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00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, because he was so kind

580
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: of raw and skinny when he came in. I honestly

581
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: think as a freshman he might have been six on

582
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: the cornerback depth chart, like during fall practice of his

583
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: true freshman year, and he just you know, performed really well,

584
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: kept getting better, kept any more opportunities, and it really

585
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: shifted that UCF game I mentioned when he had the

586
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: big pick six UC friends of high you know, up

587
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: tempo offense, and so they were kind of just rolling

588
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: in cornerbacks to try to keep everybody fresh, and he

589
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: made that play and just really kind of announced himself

590
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: and ever since that point, he became like the lead,

591
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, boundary cornerback, the guy going against the number

592
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: one receiver on the other team for the past three years.

593
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: So you know, he was always kind of in that

594
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: toughest cornerback position on the field. And he's really long.

595
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: He's gotten a lot stronger. He plays press man coverage

596
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: and he's kind of really aggressive, and the reason he's

597
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: able to do that is because he can make up

598
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Speaker 1: for it with his length. You know, he has really

599
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Speaker 1: good speed. I think he ran what a four four

600
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Speaker 1: one combine. But you know, the thing that you notice

601
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: is there will be times where you think he's gotten

602
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: beat because he's so aggressive on the line and trying

603
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: to get up there. But he has these long arms,

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00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: you know. I remember there's a game they played at

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00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Indiana this past year Cincinnati, and it looked like I

606
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: think it was Tai Freyfogel, who's a really good receiver

607
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: for Indiana, looked like he had him beat late in

608
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: the game and Sauce just kind of reached out and

609
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: batted the pass away the last second on a deep ball.

610
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: And after the game, quarterback Desn't Ritter, another expected to

611
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: be high draft pick for the Bearcats said like, yeah,

612
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, everyone at at Indiana thought that pass was

613
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: going to be completed for a big game, dosn't. Ritter

614
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: sees that every day in practice. There's so many times

615
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: where he would throw a pass and think he had

616
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: a completion and practice and Sauce would just reach out

617
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and bat it away. So he's definitely aggressive. It's hard

618
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: to say that he gambles. I remember the defensive coordinator

619
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati, Mike Tressell, talking about how instinctive he is.

620
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: You know, he had an interception at Notre Dame in

621
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: the red zone, not because like it wasn't where he

622
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to be on the play, but he just

623
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of understood, all right, based on the formation in

624
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: the way Notre Dame's lining up here, I know where

625
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: this pass is going to go, so I'm gonna make

626
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna be in the right spot to pick

627
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: it off. So he definitely, you know, he'll take his chances,

628
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: but I think he's really smart about it, and because

629
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: of his athletic abilities in his length, he does a

630
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: good job of you know, if he is a half

631
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: second behind, or or if he does make you know,

632
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: one wrong step, He's able to make up for it

633
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: because of his traits and abilities. All Right, Well, the

634
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: Bearcats defense was just among the best in the nation

635
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: last year. They had that thirteen and oh run they were,

636
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: They went deep into the playoffs. How much do you

637
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: think last season really elevated his style of play just

638
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Speaker 1: going against a different caliber of receivers, going against those

639
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Speaker 1: playoff teams, how much you think that really added to

640
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: what he's able to do out there on the field. Yeah, definitely.

641
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: He got a lot of recognition after his sophomore year,

642
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, was on some All American teams and things

643
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: like that. But you know, this is something Cincinnati has

644
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: has dealt with. It's how do they go You know,

645
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: they're in the American Athletic Conference, which is not one

646
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: of the Power five top tier conferences, So what do

647
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: they look like against the top competition? Sauce Actually they

648
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: played since I played Georgia and the Peach Bowl and

649
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty season, and Sauce had backs

650
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: passants he wasn't able to play. So that would have

651
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: been a situation where like, oh, we get to see

652
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: him against top tier talent and he wasn't able to go.

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Speaker 1: But twenty twenty one last season, Cincinnati played at Indiana

654
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame and then obviously played Alabama in the

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl, and those were probably three of Sauce's best games.

656
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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't allow I think more than like

657
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: twenty something yards in a single game all season as

658
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: a junior last year, but he had an interception against

659
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and I think gave up two catches for

660
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: less than ten yards to Jamison Williams, you know, against

661
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Alabama in the Cotton Bowl, and that was probably the

662
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: best kind of lasting example since and I didn't play

663
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: great in that Cotton Bowl. They obviously didn't win, but

664
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Speaker 1: I think coming into it people really wanted to see

665
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: the Jamison Williams Sauce Gardner matchup. And you know, Alabama

666
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: had its success and was able to find ways to

667
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: score and win the game, but it wasn't going against Sauce.

668
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't Jamison Williams breaking out for a big game.

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Speaker 1: So I think you definitely saw when he did have

670
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Speaker 1: chances to go against top flight talent, the numbers and

671
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: the performance were the exact same as they were, you know,

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Speaker 1: against maybe lesser teams or or in conferences that weren't

673
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Speaker 1: quite on the Power five level. All right, along those lines,

674
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Speaker 1: what's a favorite map chip or a memorable game of

675
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: his that you covered? You mentioned the Alabama game, but

676
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: are there any others that really stand out in your mind?

677
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: That one, you know, I think was just it solidified

678
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: everything that we believed about him, that Alabama game, going

679
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: against Jamison Williams. So that one definitely stands out. I

680
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: remember last year kind of the problem that happened with

681
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: him as a junior. Last years, teams just stopped throwing

682
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Speaker 1: against him because you know, they didn't even like look

683
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: his way, which was, you know, kind of funny. He

684
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: basically started asking the coaches if he could blitz more

685
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: because there were a few instances during the season he

686
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: would get a sack on a quarterback because they weren't

687
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: even looking at his side of the field, so he

688
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: just screams off the edge gets a sack because the

689
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: quarterback could completely blocked that side out of their mind.

690
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: But I remember talking to him during the season, you know,

691
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of asking him like, are you getting bored because

692
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: teams aren't even looking at you? And he said, the

693
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: team that you know, one of the teams that went

694
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: out after him the most was Navy, which traditionally runs

695
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: a triple option, is not a passing school. But they

696
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: got behind, so they had to start throwing to get back,

697
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: and it was almost like they didn't care that it

698
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: was sauce gardener, or they didn't know any better because

699
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: they're not used to throwing the ball. So he was

700
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: just kind of chuckling at the fact that a game

701
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: he went into thinking he was never going to have,

702
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, any chances to play cornerback, to go, you know,

703
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: knockdown balls, get interceptions, was against a team that actually

704
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: ended up going after him the most. They didn't have

705
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: much success against him either, But I just always remember,

706
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, talking to him about, yeah, I didn't expect

707
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Speaker 1: Navy to be one of the teams that actually challenged

708
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Speaker 1: me the most his junior year. You know, you mentioned

709
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Speaker 1: his measurables, and there was a lot of talk at

710
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Speaker 1: the combine how he just has like the ideal measurements

711
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: and really unusual unique measurements for a cornerback. He's got

712
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: the size, he's got the length. He was undersized coming

713
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Speaker 1: in as a freshman, but now he's up to one

714
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Speaker 1: ninety or at least that's what they weighed him at

715
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: the combine. What can you tell us about how he

716
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: put on that weight and how the measurables will really

717
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: help him make that transition in the NFL. The fact

718
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: that he's got those physical traits already there, Yeah, a

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00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: lot of credit goes to Brady Collins, who's Cincinnati's strength

720
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: conditioning coach. I think he recognized obviously everyone saw was

721
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to get bigger because of how skinny he was.

722
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Speaker 1: But I think Collins recognized, you have the frame that

723
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: can actually support you playing at two hundred pounds, and

724
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: that's what he played at like two two o five

725
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: at SINCAI, his SEENI or his junior year. This past year,

726
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: I think he dropped a little bit for the Combine,

727
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: probably hoping, probably had people tell him about to help

728
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: him run a little bit faster. But you know, I've

729
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: talked to Collins a little bit during this process and

730
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he's gonna play at two

731
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Speaker 1: hundred in the NFL, and that's what he was at

732
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: all of last year. So definitely he has you know,

733
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of just has this freakish, you know, frame

734
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Speaker 1: and athletic ability that he can be two hundred pounds,

735
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: he can be six three, he can have these long arms,

736
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: he can still run you know, four four forty. Everyone

737
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: talks about his ability to cover and not allowing touchdowns. Obviously,

738
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Speaker 1: I was kind of impressed, especially as a junior, how

739
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: well he did tackling. You know, he didn't have a

740
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: ton of opportunities since the nice defense was really good.

741
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Speaker 1: But whether it was him blitzing or there's a couple

742
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: of times in the run game where he would come

743
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: up and you know, you would expect a guy like

744
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: that to maybe do the LA defense as a cornerback,

745
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: and he didn't, you know, hesitate to stick his nose

746
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: in there. There was one play against UCF, I think

747
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: it was a reverse or an end around, and he

748
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: basically tracked down a you know, a track star wide

749
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: receiver from behind, like chased him down. I mean it

750
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: was a big gain for UCF. But I think what

751
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: stood out to scouts was here's a mod gardner on

752
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: the other side of the field chasing a guy forty

753
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: yards that's a track star and bringing him down. And

754
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: so it just seems like anything you could possibly want.

755
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: Speed coverage, you know, fluid hips and even the ability

756
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: to stick his nose in their tackle a little bit.

757
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: He seems to have all of it. I mean, you

758
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: really just said it all right there. And even with

759
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: a name like Sauce, I found it ironic that he

760
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: says he's never had a drink, he's never smoked. He

761
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: just has so much discipline, He's got the physical attributes,

762
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: he's his performance on the field says it all. So

763
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: with that all being said, what are what are the weaknesses?

764
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we missing here? I mean, where's

765
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: something up an area of improvement that you think, Okay,

766
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: maybe this is something that might give teams pause or

767
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: may give him some troubles as a rookie in the NFL.

768
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Are there any weaknesses to his game? Yeah? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know it's I feel like being an NFL cornerback

770
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: as a rookie is always humbling. You know. I don't

771
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: know that he necessarily won against He goes against Jamison Williams,

772
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: who's going to be a top NFL pick, But I

773
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gone against a receiver who could

774
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: be more physical with him. You know, DK Metcalf might

775
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: be like the top tier example, but a guy who's

776
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: really fast and really strong, and Okay, if this guy's

777
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna come up and try and play press coverage on me,

778
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm gonna make it tough for him.

779
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: Or if it's maybe a team that tries to, you know,

780
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: bring an outside guy over the middle against him, just

781
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: how is he going to navigate kind of getting through

782
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: the thicket of the middle of the field and things

783
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: like that. I'm sure there are weaknesses. We just never

784
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: really had a chance to see them at Cincinnati. So

785
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL, teams are not going to take away

786
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: his side of the field game plan wise. You know,

787
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be NFL quarterbacks who were acting the

788
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: same way college quarterbacks were and just not throwing at him.

789
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: So I think there will definitely be an adjustment as

790
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: he gets targeted a little bit more and as the

791
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: talent level that he's going against every week is you know,

792
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: obviously much much higher. But just based on the way

793
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: he handled everything at Cincinnati, I guess there's no part

794
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: of me that doesn't believe that he won't you know,

795
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: if there are struggles or there are weaknesses that pop

796
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: up that he won't find a way to work against

797
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: those and to you know, remove them or just make

798
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: sure that they aren't a problem for him. Great stuff

799
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: there from Justin Williams, the athletic who covers the Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Bearcats getting drafted in April, trust me,

801
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: a lot of them. All right, let's clean up around

802
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Next, we got a little shorty on our

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Speaker 1: way out right here at Texans till Access Right, Texans

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Speaker 1: All Access, Right, texansill Act. We're going to funnel segment

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Speaker 1: of this Wednesday Nation of Texans All Access from the

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Speaker 1: Hounday Texans Radio studio. I am your host, John Harris

807
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Speaker 1: Football and a sideline reporter and glad to be with you.

808
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: As always, things in this league are just absolutely crazy. Now,

809
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: we talked about Tyreek Hill trade from the Chiefs to

810
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Chiefs get back first and second and others.

811
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Speaker 1: The Dolphins get arguably the most dynamic weapon in the league.

812
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: It seems like a good trade on both sides. We'll

813
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Speaker 1: see how that goes. Now. The Patriots made some noise

814
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: AFC East wasn't dominated completed by the Miami Dolphins Malcolm

815
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Butler a few weeks back, about a week and a

816
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: half two weeks ago, so two weeks ago, Malcolm Butler

817
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: was rumored to have been in Houston working out discussing

818
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: things with the Texans. There's a connection obviously, Nick Cassio,

819
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Speaker 1: the GM here with Malcolm Butler. When Malcolm was winning

820
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Speaker 1: Super Bowls with the New England Patriots, well, he ended

821
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Speaker 1: up going back to the New England Patriots. Two years

822
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Speaker 1: nine nine million dollars for Malcolm Butler. I guess my

823
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Speaker 1: question at this point is the complayment safety I'm playing mccorner.

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Speaker 1: I would be a cure one. Obviously, the lost Jason

825
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: Jackson that's gonna hurt. But I don't know if Malcolm

826
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Butler was even gonna play corner for the Cardinals. So

827
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be one to watch. But Malcolm Butler goes

828
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Speaker 1: back to the Patriots. Also back to the Patriots, and

829
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a surprise. TRMP Brown, the hulking

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Speaker 1: right tackle for the New England Patriots out on the

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Speaker 1: open market, decides, m I'm going right back to where

832
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I became essentially a valued piece, and that's what the

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00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: New England Patriots now. One player who flirted with the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: It's okay to flirt, apparently, I don't know. I've been

835
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: told you can go look at the menu, you just

836
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: can't eat. I don't know. Anyways, the point being, Leonard

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Speaker 1: Fournette did discuss things with the New England Patriots. However,

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00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: he is going back to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I

839
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: feel like the Patriots got a ton of running backs.

840
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Speaker 1: But if you could get Leonard Fournette for a steel

841
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: then yeah, let's talk about it. But he's reversed in course,

842
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: he is going to go to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

843
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: which is where he was. So the Patriots making a

844
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: lot of noise, but Leonard Fournette decides not to be

845
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Speaker 1: a Patriot, Trent Brown decides to be a Patriot, and

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler returns to be a Patriot. It just keeps

847
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Speaker 1: spinning and spinning and spinning. Now, if you missed it earlier,

848
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: the Texans added free agents Kyle Alan. They added some

849
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Speaker 1: of their own, Chris Conley, Obo Okaron Quo, Dario Okamballe,

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Speaker 1: Scott Quisenberry to go along with Paul Quisenberry and not

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Speaker 1: Texans right about now, and there you have it. That's

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Speaker 1: the show. Big thanks, to Drew Big, thanks to DP,

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Speaker 1: to Justin Williams, Mama, Chris Santiago, and to all of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, well, see you next time. It

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Speaker 1: is always go Texans,