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Speaker 1: Oh, hey, everybody, welcome to the very last Sadly, Greg Lemon,

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Speaker 1: the very last episode of the Quarantine Cast. You're here

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Speaker 1: for the for the end or maybe the beginning, we

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Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, we're to hear from the last. We

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Speaker 1: don't have Phil fills Off doing who knows what he's

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Speaker 1: doing is probably playing a video game or something. But

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Speaker 1: but we have Greg Lemon from Montana, Fish, Whilife and

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Speaker 1: Park Say. Hey, Greg, Hey, I had to call you

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Speaker 1: man because a lot of people are nervous out there.

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Speaker 1: I know we were just talking about you said you'd

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Speaker 1: getting some some notes about what's going to happen. But

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Speaker 1: in the Great state of Montana, Uh, some of the

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Speaker 1: spring turkey season, spring spring seasons are getting ready to

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Speaker 1: have to know before we do anything, any jokes, anything's

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Speaker 1: like what where are you guys right now? Like what

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Speaker 1: from from a departmental look at this? What's it? What's

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Speaker 1: it feeling like on a daily basis? H? Well, this

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Speaker 1: is really new for us, obviously. Uh, there's never been

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Speaker 1: anything like this that we've gone through. Uh. So we've

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks we've slowly sort of

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Speaker 1: this time of year. I think we're a lot like

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Speaker 1: other fish wilife agencies. This is the off season from

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Speaker 1: a hunting standpoint and fishing staminate. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: our busiest time of year, or one of them on

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Speaker 1: the customer service into things. So the license shear started

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Speaker 1: March one. We we ushered that in with a bunch

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Speaker 1: and so we've been just really working hard trying to

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Speaker 1: answer questions from people, sell people licenses, get them applied

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Speaker 1: for their tag deering OWK tags for the coming year,

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Speaker 1: and so it's been doing We've been doing that as

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Speaker 1: we've been shutting down some of our offices um to

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Speaker 1: on distancing and social interaction and all that. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's I think it's strange time for everybody and I've

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Speaker 1: said this before on the show, but I made the

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Speaker 1: mistake of thinking, well, you know, hunting and fishing, being

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Speaker 1: the kind of activities they are, could be somewhat immune

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Speaker 1: to this. I mean a little bit, you know, have

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Speaker 1: um to effect. But that's that's it's not really been

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Speaker 1: the case. And we've talked about Nebraska shutting down non

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Speaker 1: from your perspective, you know, maybe not a not a

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Speaker 1: departmental thing for f WP, but just from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: how does do you think that's a snowballing effect will

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Speaker 1: not cascade into other closures? How do you guys look

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Speaker 1: at that? I guess, well, it's a good question because

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Speaker 1: as um, you know, we have we're not on an island,

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Speaker 1: you know, certainly in Montana, but even within the West

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Speaker 1: on other state agent with other state agencies. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I and I don't know what Idaho's doing, but um,

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Speaker 1: you know they'll you know, there's no why wouldn't they

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Speaker 1: And so you know that that puts more pressure on us,

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Speaker 1: which is great. I mean we're at this point, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not looking at closing any seasons or or um,

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Speaker 1: land management agencies. So the BLM, the Force Service of

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Speaker 1: state the overnight campaigns closed AFTERVP sites. UM, group use

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Speaker 1: He just said, every it's a spot he's hunted a

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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it's a there's a weird um,

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Speaker 1: interesting interactions for sure. Yeah, you know, the social I

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Speaker 1: and you know, you've got everybody has this little personal

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Speaker 1: It gets moving so slow, So you know, fill that

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Speaker 1: good way to do it. Get outside and practice social distance,

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Speaker 1: on the April swond. So if you haven't put in

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Speaker 1: a C. Right, I mean you can challenge social distance.

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00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: We tell all our groups no more than five at

428
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: a time. You're outside, you're shooting your bows small groups

429
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, I think to some degree, it's nothing

430
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: like an indoor concert or us being inside of sports

431
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: arena something like that. So but at the same time,

432
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: we need to be smart about what we do. And yeah,

433
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean really in the end, it's uh, venues are

434
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: closed anyway, so even if we wanted to do it,

435
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: we couldn't. Yeah, that's how we are with our media

436
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 1: mediate or live towards like, wow, we'd love to go.

437
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: We probably wouldn't anyway, but no option if there's no

438
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: place the host exactly a big deal. How you guys,

439
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: I know you've got a bunch of kiddos at home

440
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: and your wife and how you guys handling the quarantine

441
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: and and like what's your approach every day? So it's, uh,

442
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: homework is the first thing they get to do when

443
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: they wake up, and our kids love to play probably

444
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: like a lot, the game like PS four or whatever

445
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: it is. Typically we don't let them play during the week,

446
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: but we've decided that now if they get their homework

447
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: done and then they have their their chores they do

448
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: around the house, keep it clean, and then they have

449
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: to do We instituted an exercise program that if they

450
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: want to play the PS four for the day, they

451
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: either have to run three miles or do one of

452
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: these workouts. I don't know, it's either P nine t

453
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: X or something and they get pretty big. I just

454
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: learned about it so and it's helped a lot. It's

455
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: it's worked out some of the bugs and and uh

456
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: made him not as crazy in the house. And we've

457
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: been doing that for about ten days now and they're

458
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: all doing it, even the nine year old. I mapped

459
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: out laps around the house to see how many laps

460
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: it would take for him to do three miles, and

461
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: Casey doesn't want to go long and he's got to

462
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: stay close to home. So it's but they're doing it

463
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: so exercise and if they fight, then they can hang

464
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: out in their rooms. Um. I usually go to the

465
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: shop because I'm still getting everything ready as if we're

466
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: going to leave, so that when when that window opens

467
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: that we can go on tour, we're ready. We're not scrambling.

468
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, same here. But I feel like you're winning

469
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: at the parenting game. Your kids are running laps around

470
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: the houses for so funny to watch. But I mean

471
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: they I'm not a fan of PS four or whatever,

472
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: but it does help. That locks them away because we're

473
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: all sitting here working and they're getting some exercise in

474
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: more than they have been the required motivation. That's fine,

475
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: whatever it takes, whatever the care it is, man, it's fine.

476
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: It shoulna be final. Love. Yeah, I love it. Well,

477
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: we got we gotta tell a good man. I like,

478
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you we've been this is theft and final

479
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: actually quarantine cast that we're gonna do. And everybody I've

480
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: talked to is okay um. I know that that's not

481
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: um emblematic of everybody. Is a lot of people struggling

482
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: on a lot of levels, and and we feel feel

483
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: for you. But I'm I am happy and hopefully everyone

484
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: out there and even yourself, like you know, this hasn't

485
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: that's not so widespread now that it's touched everybody, um,

486
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: you know directly, So I'm happy for that. I'm happy

487
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: to hear that everybody that we've talked to thus far

488
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: is doing okay um, And so hopefully that provides everybody

489
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of peace of mind that it can

490
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: be good during this time. But we gotta tell a

491
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: hunting story, man, We gotta tell this may be one

492
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: of my this is now I'm gonna say it's my

493
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: favorite hunting story for a bunch of different reasons. One

494
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of connected to the birth of my son James.

495
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: All Right, When I we gotta start, the best place

496
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: to start is where I got the tag um, Because

497
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: it is for sure once in a lifetime tag. If

498
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: you've ever been to the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo

499
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City, happens every year in February. Um.

500
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: I used to go there for work when I worked

501
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: at Yetie, and I UH. Each year, I would happily

502
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: put you know, five bucks whatever the number is, to

503
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: apply for two hundred lottery tags that are only available

504
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: at that show. So you have decent odds, but still

505
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: not great odds of drawing a tag. So I would

506
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: do that every year, kind of ceremonially and and um,

507
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: with that much luck. But in when we did this, actually,

508
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: when I put in, I didn't even bother. I don't

509
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: think to check the drawl results. I'm like, I'm not

510
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna win anything. I got a couple of text messages

511
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: with the screen capture saying is this your name? Is

512
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: this you Ben O'Brien, Austin, Texas. I'm like, that's me. So.

513
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: And I looked at what I drew, I'm like, holy crap,

514
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: I drew a late season bulltag and usaw and then

515
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you I'm looking. Now there's one tag and and the

516
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: year that I applied two hundred and two thousand, sixty

517
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: five people applied for that tag. So it was a

518
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: one and two thousand sixty five chance, which I was

519
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: telling you earlier, Sean, if that was a horse, I

520
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't bet on it. Yeah, that's right. They said, you're

521
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: like I about hold off. I'm more of a five

522
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: to one guy. Um. So I drew this tag, man,

523
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and it was it was amazing to know that I

524
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: drew this tag, and then not too long after that

525
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to find out that I was having my first child.

526
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: And then somewhere, you know, when the fall the fall

527
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: came around, I realized that the tag that it's a

528
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: late season rifle tag. The tag, the dates of the

529
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: tag were for about a month ish, a little bit

530
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: over a month after my son was born, and I

531
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: immediately thought, well, I probably won't be able to go.

532
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Um at the very least I had planned to go

533
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: scout a bunch and find some bulls and spend some

534
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: time in this country. Um well, before the season, I

535
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: at least knew I wasn't gonna be able to do that.

536
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where that's kind of where the

537
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: great and powerful Seawan de Gray comes in my angel

538
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: in the outfield the right well, I got lucky, that's

539
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: for sure. UM. And I don't know when we were

540
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: talking about this or or how it came up, but

541
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: you basically I was probably just desperately calling everyone in

542
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Utah trying to get some intel in the area. And

543
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: I must ask you, like, hey, you know anything about

544
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: this joint? And uh, being the guy that you are, yeah,

545
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: we weren't like lifelong friends, just kind of business acquaintances

546
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: at that point. You just said, I'll go down and

547
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: check it out for you. UM, And I thought, well,

548
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: son of a bit, that's nice. And you did, so

549
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: you could take it from there. You did much more

550
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah. So I didn't know that unit really

551
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: at all except where it was. And so I reached

552
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: out to a couple of different guys and said, hey,

553
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: where where should I be looking? And they're like, you know,

554
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: we don't really hunt that unit. I said, well, you

555
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: shed hunted. Tell me where you're finding sheds because it's

556
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: getting pretty late in a year. And they actually weren't

557
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: very forthcoming with information, but one guy did tell me, Hey,

558
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I you know, there's this valley or whatever, and so

559
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: he gave us a stretch of I don't know we

560
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: had what was that twenty miles long by five miles

561
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: wide of and yeah, he's just like, maybe go look there.

562
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I just drove down there,

563
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: and no, lie, as soon as I pulled into that

564
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: valley where I could actually glass from the truck, I

565
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: just started glassing and found what I think might be

566
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: the bull that you ended up getting. Yeah. I did

567
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: find two really nice bulls in there, and it was

568
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: lucky were only two hours from my house where you're hunting,

569
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: and so I got to go down there a couple

570
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: of times and saw those those two what I considered

571
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: to be what you and I were thinking three forty

572
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: plus would be awesome. Oh yeah, absolutely, And those were

573
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the two bulls that I thought would break that three

574
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: forty mark. On top of all the elk and the

575
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: beauty behind it all was I didn't see one person. Yeah,

576
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: that was the craziest. That the part we'll tell the

577
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: story of the guy that we met in the in

578
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the restaurant later, the sad story. He was the guy

579
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: out of out He flew in from Alaska, right, is

580
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: he the guy that he remember? He was a lawyer

581
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: and he turned down the job as a partner in

582
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: Alaska because he because he would have become an Alaska

583
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: resident and he couldn't hunt this tag because he was

584
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: he was applying for it's it was I think a

585
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: twelve the fifteen point tag. I mean it was. It was.

586
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: It's a decade or more to get this tag. Oh yeah,

587
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: it was great. On one of my trips up there,

588
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Glass and I decided to get up on top of

589
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: the mountain there on the Panguich, and they ran into

590
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: a couple that had been scouting up there. Her name's Melissa,

591
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I believe Melissa Butler maybe anyway, she and her husband were.

592
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: They were awesome. They gave me a whole bunch of information.

593
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: They lived right there close. They were up on the

594
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: mountain all summer long scouting and they had found multiple

595
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: big bulls. But they also informed me that so did

596
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: every outfitter that was up there was also chasing these bulls.

597
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: That's the focus was. There was three or four giants

598
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: um and they showed us a bunch of pictures of

599
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: the bulls they're chasing, and one of them was a

600
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: monster broke fou but I think if I remember right,

601
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I gave you a call. I said, hey, look here

602
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: there are some big bulls up in this area, but

603
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: we'd be chasing them with everybody else, and we kind

604
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: of decided, hey, that's we're not into that. We went

605
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: by out a good hunt. I'm so glad we did

606
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: that too, because you know, when I'm drying, I drove

607
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: up from Texas and yeah, I remember being like a

608
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: fourteen hour driver, so and I had a lot of

609
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: time to think about that, you know, and as a

610
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: new dad, I was really hasitant to leave my wife

611
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: and son. And but my wife, to her credit, was

612
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: insistent that if I really wanted to do it, so

613
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: I go do it and not worry about it like

614
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: she would be okay, and that if I was gonna go,

615
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: I needed to go and kick ass um Like, don't go,

616
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: don't go and be sad about it, you know, just

617
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: go and do the job and come back with a

618
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: bunch of elk meat for us. That was kind of

619
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the way that she approached it with me. And I

620
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: don't think I would have gone if it wasn't for that,

621
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: because I was when I was leaving, I was emotional.

622
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I was, you know,

623
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: you gotta move human there that's a month old that

624
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: you have no idea how to take care of it,

625
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: or how to take care of your wife, or how

626
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: to set the situation up for success. You're just kind

627
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: of flying by the seat of your pants at that point.

628
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: But luckily she was. She was cool enough to kind

629
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: of kind of say, just go and do it and

630
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: don't come home empty handed. Yeah, asshole, if you're gonna

631
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: do it, you better not come home. Yeah you better go.

632
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: You were. So that was the real pressure for me.

633
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: Um And so I think part of it was like, hey,

634
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, I want to. I just want to kill

635
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: a bull. I want to. You know, I drew this tag.

636
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to do it. People wait their

637
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: whole lives to do this, and I was lucky enough

638
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: to to draw this tag. And I don't want to.

639
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste it or burn it. And

640
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I also don't want a half ask the hunt. You know,

641
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I really wanted to put as much in as we

642
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: possibly could and get a nice bowl I was not

643
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: interested in and it would never be interested in, you know,

644
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: elbow room and a bunch of high priced outfitters to

645
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: to kill one of you know what we're what, we're

646
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: giant bulls. Um, I just figured, you know, there's a

647
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: lot of guys who live for that. Let them have that. Yeah,

648
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: and that it was such a fortuitous thing too, because,

649
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: like you said, the valley that we were in, did

650
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: we see another hunter the entire time we were there,

651
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: We didn't. We saw one truck in five or six

652
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: days when we were there, and that guy was one

653
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: of the farmers up in that country. Yeah, I mean

654
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: it was. There was road systems they weren't you know,

655
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: they were you know, natural forest roads. They weren't the best,

656
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: but you know, you could pretty much drive to wherever

657
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: you needed to be. And so we worked. We worked

658
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of country without seeing anybody. So I would

659
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: much prefer I don't know how most people think of it,

660
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: or how you think of it, I would much prefer

661
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: to that scenario, you know, shaved off the bull that

662
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I would ultimately kill for. You know what what is

663
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: essentially you and me hanging out in a wall tent

664
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: with ourselves. Yeah, a big lamp. So yeah, we should

665
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: we can starting from the beginning. I show up and

666
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: you have already, to my delight, you have already kind

667
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: of have everything out and and ready to go. Um,

668
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: we drove into that valley where you'd spotted some bulls,

669
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: pulled off to kind of the south eastern rim and

670
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: put up a wall tent and made camp and intended.

671
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: I intended to be there for seven for the whole

672
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: season if I had to um to get a good bull.

673
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: But well, fast forward to where we actually shot the

674
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: elk that I we ended up with. But it wasn't

675
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: too far from where we put the wall toon No,

676
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: if I remember right, did we not find it right

677
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: from just off the road from the wall tent? Yeah,

678
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: we did, absolutely, absolutely. I spotted he was such a

679
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: big bull. I just spotted like his tops and that's

680
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: all we could see until we got up there close

681
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: to him. But from the time you spotted him to uh,

682
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean from the time you saw him to him

683
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: disappearing was a minute and change made it. Yeah, And

684
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: it was one of those deals where I just said, Sean,

685
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: that was a job. That was a big bull, and

686
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I like, you know, won't we get through the whole story.

687
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: But at that point I feel I feel bad, you know,

688
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: I feel bad because I remember when I shot this bool.

689
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I remember you saying, I remember me being like a

690
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: little bit disappointed when I walked up on it, or

691
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: like just kind of a little bit confused because we

692
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: had seen so many good bulls whether this was the

693
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: right one to shoot. And you said, man, I'm sorry

694
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: if this is if this is not the one you know,

695
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: And then like five minutes later, I'm like, look at

696
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: this thing. What the hell is wrong with me? This

697
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: is a giant and to this day giant And to

698
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: this day I look at that bowl and I'm like,

699
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: what was I feel? So I feel remorse for that

700
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: moment where I didn't appreciate it immediately. Um, But I

701
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: guess we could try to get get to why that was.

702
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: But um, I do feel I have a straight up

703
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: apologize to you for not saying like, dude, oh my god,

704
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: this is this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened.

705
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: It took some time to sink in, but boy didn't

706
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: didn't sink in it. Well, he's also, yeah, I mean

707
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: when you walk up on him, he's a little bit

708
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: of a deceiving bowl. Yeah, a little bit until you

709
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: lift up and really stand back. I mean he's he's

710
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, he's a giant. Oh for like

711
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: I said, for an East Coast kid who at that

712
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: point had had killed two elk and never anything over

713
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: like a three ten. And really, for me as a kid,

714
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: if you had started naming numbers, I'm like, I'll take

715
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: a five or six. I don't go. I don't really care, man, um, yeah,

716
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: what what do I care? So anyway, we got when

717
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: we got there, we set up our our wall tent.

718
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: We got that all going, and I'll let you tell

719
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the story of the pink light. Yes, I got a

720
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: few photos. I'll share of the pink light. Do you

721
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: have this? Do you happen to have the one with

722
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: all the snow too? Oh? Yeah? If not, I'll need

723
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to send that to you. Yeah, I got that anyway,

724
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: So we uh so we set up this wall tent

725
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: and it was pretty roomy. I thought we had the

726
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: cuts and everything, but we were lacking our the light.

727
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: We needed some light. So we drove into town. Uh

728
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: what was that day two? I think, wasn't. We driven

729
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: down and went light shopping see what we could find.

730
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: It plug into the generator and the best thing we

731
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: could find was a little teeny desktop light that was

732
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: pink like a ten year old girl's room. Yeah, but

733
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: it did work, and it worked well. The light the

734
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: light we needed is it. We had to improvise on

735
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: a few things, like how we wanted to cook because

736
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: we cooked on the jet boil, so we used some

737
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: yetti cups to hold the pan up above the boil burners.

738
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: We could use the pan to cook. Yeah, oh my,

739
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: that was hilarious. That Yeah, it was like a couple

740
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: of homeless guys under a bridge. That's quite that house

741
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: that that was a pretty nice house. Short of short

742
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: of the it did have a leak whenever the wind

743
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: blew and the snow was falling. I got a few

744
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: flap flapshots to the chest while sleep And one of

745
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: my favorite photos I don't even know what actually the

746
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: last day after Yeah, that night it's snow like, it's

747
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: snow a lot. What was that six or so inches? Easy? Easy,

748
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: And there was between the floor and the wall there

749
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: was a hole where the snow was blowing up in.

750
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: And I woke up that morning and looked over and

751
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: you're bundled up, still asleep, and you are just covered

752
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: in snow. I remember I tried a couple of times

753
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: because this is after we killed killed the bull a

754
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: couple hours before dark cut him up and our our

755
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: buddy Spencer Brott was there and he's a horse of

756
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: a human and he helped us pack. We packed about

757
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: half the bull out that night and finally got and

758
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: then we was wiped out by the time we got back.

759
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Cooked a little, uh do we cut up the heart

760
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: and cook the heart the heart and then on in

761
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: our little makeshifts uh burner stove with two yetti cups, um,

762
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: and and then you know, pass out and I woke

763
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: up an hour later. I'm like, I think I'm covered

764
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: in snow, Like my whole head is covered in snow.

765
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: And at that point you have a decision to make.

766
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: You're like I could get up and fix and try

767
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: to help fix this situation, which it didn't look fixable,

768
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: or I could just kind of like slink down on

769
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: my sleeping bag a little bit and just ignore that

770
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: this ever happened and go back to sleep. That's what

771
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: I do. Because it was like it was two in

772
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: the morning or so until we went to bed after

773
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: we got everything done. I remember, um, and so yeah,

774
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: you get like four or five hours of sleep. I'm like,

775
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm just gonna go to sleep and

776
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: I'll wake up and I'm gonna let Jesus take the wheel.

777
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to sleep. But yeah, that was

778
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: we had to hike back up and get the rest

779
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: of the like the last couple of quarters and stuff

780
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: with uh Man, that was a great day to were

781
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: skipping most of the hunt. But that was a great

782
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: day too. I remember just feeling so freaking good that day. Um.

783
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, there's a lot of cool things. I mean

784
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: that one if you remember, we spotted, we spotted a

785
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: bowl from all the way on the other side of

786
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: the valley and uh we charged in on it. I

787
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: think we ran well, there were two different instances. The

788
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: one time we got across and we got into a

789
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: couple of bulls and you passed on one that was

790
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: how far was that bowl? That one that jumped up

791
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: and just stood up stared at us. Oh yeah, and

792
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you're like what do you think. I'm like, man, I

793
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: don't think he's there. You're like, well I don't want him.

794
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And we're like, okay, keep going take off running again.

795
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Well that one up with the one boe we ran

796
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: up to was just there was two bulls and they

797
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: were on like a little chunk of private that was

798
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: just like set down in the valley, I remember, and

799
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: we got up to him and could have made a shot,

800
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: but they're just standing just on the one little corner

801
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: of private that's in the valley. And it was a bull.

802
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: And I think, I don't know what you think that

803
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: one of those two bulls might have been the one

804
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: one of the one I ended up shooting. I think

805
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: so I think that he's pretty Uh, he's a pretty

806
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: unique bull. He's the bull you got. Is not a

807
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: normal like that you would mistake it for another six

808
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: point Like he's very Unique's one thing, yeah, the one

809
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: thing that I remember, I mean the mass obviously, but

810
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: the one thing I remember his giant thirds, Like his

811
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: thirds like twenty three inches long. I can't particularly but

812
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: they're like little baseball bats, just like just massive um

813
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: and pronounced. So yeah, I remember. We we spent you know,

814
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: a couple of days, probably what three days, having a

815
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: great time. We go into town for lunch and and

816
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: jack around every day. And like it wasn't we weren't

817
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: we weren't doing a little bit of work, do a

818
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: little bit of work. Yeah, it wasn't. We weren't being

819
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: leisurely about it. But we also it was like such

820
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: a great scenario. We had all this country to ourselves.

821
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: There was bulls everywhere. You just kind of felt like

822
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: if you stayed on it long enough, you were gonna

823
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: get it done. Um and you could be picking, which

824
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I normally wouldn't be UM, and you could just kind

825
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: of wade through it because there was a lot of elk.

826
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: We didn't see a whole ton of cows. We saw

827
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: just big bulls everywhere walking around. I don't know how

828
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: many bulls did we see before, you know, a dozen

829
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: really good bulls before we got on something like that.

830
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: But maybe the best story is one day, you know,

831
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: you and I were in eating lunch, you and I

832
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: and Spencer I think was Spencer might have been with

833
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: us or eating lunch at this little diner and panguich

834
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Utah panguage. I always say it wrong, And this is

835
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: like all the hunters were in the in here, and

836
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: so you gotta think of it this way too. Here

837
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I am a young whipper snapper who has applied for

838
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: this tag all of once in his life, UM, sitting

839
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: there dressed all in my hunting gear. And then you

840
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: got all these other older gentlemen who have been putting

841
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: in for this tag since they were little boys and like,

842
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: so you can imagine there being a little bit of

843
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: angst and anger. But when people found out, like how

844
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: I came to be there and be hat and have

845
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: a tag in my pocket, Um, you probably have a

846
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: better regulation to me that the guy that we met

847
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: that was from Utah, that was he was a lawyer,

848
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: like we said earlier, and he was going to take

849
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: a partner. He was gonna become a partner in a

850
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: law firm in Alaska, I think Anchorage, but he turned

851
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: it down because he wanted to hunt this tag. He yeah,

852
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: he hired a guide. He put all this time and money.

853
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about this for months. He was

854
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: one of the guys who was so prickly with me

855
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I said, yeah, I just put in

856
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: for this and uh five dollar lottery basically, And he

857
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: was just prickly with me the whole time. And he

858
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: had a million pictures of bulls on his phone and

859
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: he was chasing this particular elk and and it was

860
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: like the thing for him. He had invested so much

861
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: in this and do you remember kind of like where

862
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: where he wasn't his hunt the time we talked to him, well,

863
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: at that point that they had been sitting on that

864
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: big bowl, the giant the fire. The way I remember

865
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: it is, he was he opened the conversation like I

866
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: got screwed. Yeah, and he was so upset, and we're like, what, how,

867
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: what happened? And that's when he proceeded to tell the

868
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: story of how they'd been on this bowl for a

869
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: couple of days, three or four days, I can't remember,

870
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: and they're watching it, they know it's in there, they're

871
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: waiting for it to get out of it's bead, and

872
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: when it had got up, somebody had shot and he

873
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: watched the bull get taken down, and he just couldn't

874
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: believe it. He was so upset. He said, the people

875
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: that had to have shot it must have shot it

876
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: taken a seven yard shot because they were sitting right

877
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: above it, and they watched him die and that's where

878
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: they had spent all their time. Yeah. Yeah, he was

879
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: so upset. He was so upset. I just felt and

880
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, eat my egg sandwich, like um, yeah, man,

881
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: we're just hanging out in the wall. Tent just got

882
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: here a couple of days ago, you know. Yeah, I

883
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: think we I think we've played it down to like

884
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: if you guys seen any balls, were like nothing, really yeah, yeah,

885
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: we're really struggling down there. It's not like not like

886
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: we've been here for two days and if they've seen

887
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, half a dozen three or forty plus elk

888
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: um yeah or anything like that. Dang it. He was

889
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: pretty upset. Upset. And then at that same time is

890
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: when I got that text from that gal Melissa that

891
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: they had killed it. Yeah, exactly. That's the funny part,

892
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: Like you had the folks you had met up there.

893
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: I always tell this story. I'm like, you met him,

894
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: and and Melissa, from what I remember, had been telling

895
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: you she was practicing long range shooting. Yes, this is

896
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: my favorite story. I tell the story all the time.

897
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: She had been practicing long range shooting. It was really

898
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: proficient out to like a thousand yards and that's that's

899
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: kind of was her plan. And you told me that story.

900
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: And then he starts telling a story like hey, we're

901
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: right up on this bull and then from far away,

902
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: this lady shoots it. I remember looking at you like,

903
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: no way, man, that this lady just shot this bull

904
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: right every one of the sky. I felt bull on

905
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the mountain and they were saying there was like her

906
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: plus three other outfitters trying to kill that very bull.

907
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: And she was and she was just round. She wasn't

908
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: like some hardcore hunter like he was. She was just

909
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: like a local who just really like, Yeah, she wasn't

910
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: some like hardcore trophy hunter. She just found a big

911
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: bull and shot. It happened to be all these other

912
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: dudes were obsessing over this elk for all this time,

913
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: and she just comes in, probably real casually, like dude

914
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: to do to do. Oh, there's one boom and the

915
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: ruins their lives. Yeah, and you and I are down

916
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: there prancing around and like no man's land. Were all

917
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: these like and we're hanging out like there's bulls everywhere.

918
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: And for a guy like me or even you or

919
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: anybody that would have been on a dream hunt the

920
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: elk that we saw, it just happened to be that

921
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: everybody that had scouted this place knew that there was

922
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: up above us on a basin was you know, a

923
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: bunch of really big bulls in a certain area. So

924
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: everybody that was had a tag, which wasn't that many people.

925
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: Um was up there chasing the same three elk and

926
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: we just lucked into um what a freaking great hunt man. Yeah,

927
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: we did. The fact, the fact that we found the

928
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: bowl of that caliber. And literally, I think, what did

929
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: I tell you? I had two and a half days

930
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: of scouting. Yeah that I drove down scout morning evening

931
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: for two and a half days between two different trips.

932
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: And uh, and that bowl is there? Is That's crazy.

933
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: It was meant to be. Meant to be. Yeah, No,

934
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. And you know you need

935
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: to tie off our our lawyer buddies thing. I know

936
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: you got his either Instagram or his number or something.

937
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: And he didn't end up getting an ELK. No, he didn't.

938
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: That's right because I remember about that, because I remember

939
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: contacting you or me or someone and ask him like,

940
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: how do you guys do? And we sent him a

941
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: picture of my bull and I. He probably just didn't

942
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: leave the house for weeks. Like this little bastard five

943
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: dollar lottery tag just walked into the Dixie National Forest

944
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: and put up a tent and killed this killed this giant.

945
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: And here I am spending my life, you know, my

946
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: life savings and all this time and I came up empty. Uh.

947
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I guess them's the brakes. I guess, um. But I mean,

948
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: and that's I think a credit to you too, saying, hey,

949
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, I know there's bigger bulls up there, but

950
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to go after him. Yeah, let's just

951
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: focus on these that we found, because I don't think

952
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: either of us because I had video. I'm pretty sure

953
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: I have video of that bullet you killed, um, having

954
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: no idea it was as big as it was, just

955
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: that it would break the three forty mark. Yeah, and

956
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, this is let's do that. Let's

957
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: do that instead, let's do that. Yeah, I remember the

958
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: video you sent me, Um, and it was right across

959
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: the ridge from where we killed him. Yeah, it was

960
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: up north, just north from you know, probably quarter of

961
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: a mile north from where we shot him. You know,

962
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: you think back on these stories and like I said,

963
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: this quarantine cast, this is the last one, but that

964
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: like just telling stories, rethinking of these things, kind of

965
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: in the moment that we're in right now, where you know,

966
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: we have a lot of time to reflect, not a

967
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: lot of time to do much, a lot time to

968
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: reflecting what we're done. This is the most serendipitous hunt

969
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: I've ever been on because one because you were so gracious,

970
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: you know. I I find that people from Utah are

971
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: just nice people, like the nicest people that there are.

972
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: Like you didn't you certainly didn't have to go spend

973
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: all this time helping me out. Um, it's not like

974
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I was. You were an outfitter of mine. It's not

975
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: like you're a buddy of mine for decades. Like you

976
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: just were were being a nice guy and helping out

977
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: and doing what I think you do all the time. Um.

978
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot I mean a lot

979
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: of guys. Really it's it was an opportunity to though,

980
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: for me to go down and and having that for me.

981
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: So I've I've done a lot of guiding. In fact,

982
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: that's where I did most of my hunting when I

983
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: was younger, was guiding. And I find a lot of

984
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: pleasure and just being there present, going through the whole

985
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: motion of the hunt, you know, short of pulling the trigger. Uh.

986
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: And I mean that was another opportunity to do it.

987
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: So it's when any time I get an opportunity to

988
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: get out and and my wife says, yeah, that's okay,

989
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: then I want to take it. Well, I wasn't trying

990
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: to do it. I appreciate mine. Man. We had a

991
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: great time and um yeah, at some point we'll have

992
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: you back and tell all your Alaska outfit or stories,

993
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: because you got a lot of them, a lot of planes.

994
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: There was. There was some good times. I'll tell you

995
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: one of the I don't know if you remember this,

996
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: that we found the bowl and this is the day

997
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: you killed it and he had gone in and we decided, hey,

998
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: look because we watched it for another forty five minutes

999
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: or so, this little shelf and they never came out.

1000
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: There were actually two bowls, and uh so after washing it,

1001
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, let's just go back. We get so

1002
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: much and then we're gonna hike up there because they're

1003
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: bed at there on that shelf. It's perfect. And we

1004
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: devise some plan to hike in, pop over this little

1005
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: rock peak to look down on this shell. And then

1006
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: you remember I poked my head over and then I

1007
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: just grabbed yours, squeezy because it was they had just

1008
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: stepped out of the trees. As we popped over the ridge,

1009
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's right there. Yeah, it was ready. I

1010
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: love it because you I'm there, like I'm standing on

1011
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: this like shale rock that has no like on the

1012
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: knife on a knife ridge with really no footing, and

1013
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: you started grabbing me, like trying to pull meea' he's there,

1014
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: and I just remember, like, cold down, dude, I would

1015
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: have fallen, like I could set up. I'll get set up.

1016
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: And they had no idea too, so verify. It was

1017
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: like a hundred one hundred seventy two hundred yard shots

1018
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: something like yeah, and the wind was blowing and the wind, yeah,

1019
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: the wind was whipping pretty good, and I had to

1020
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: know where we were, you kind of on this than

1021
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: this knife ridge, you know, because we had spotted him

1022
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: from camp all. We drove around on this National Forest

1023
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: road that we traveling on. A ton, got in behind him,

1024
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: got the wind right glass, glass, glass, make sure there's

1025
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: no other elk to blow us out, then moved in

1026
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: right where we thought. You know, a lot of times

1027
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: you get in that country like, well, we pop over here,

1028
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: we'll have a good shot. You pop up over there

1029
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: and you don't have a good shot, like it's covered up,

1030
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: or you gotta move around the canyon or whatever. In

1031
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: this case, it was perfect. I mean we popped up

1032
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: and he was right there with another bull standing kind

1033
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: of in the trees, and I just remember like fumbling

1034
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: around getting my gun out, dropping a bunch of AMMO

1035
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: on the ground, fumbling, trying to get loaded up, making yeah,

1036
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: and then I remember and it took a minute to

1037
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: even get set up because that knife ridge was so unstable.

1038
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I tried to lay down and slid down the hill

1039
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: about ten feet and then I climbed back up the

1040
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: hill and decide, I gotta shoot it off the off

1041
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: my pack. I gotta sit, you know, I gotta sit.

1042
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, I do do a seated position, put my

1043
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: pack up, and then put my rifle on it, which

1044
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: if anybody's ever done that, it's not fun, especially when

1045
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: the winds blow and you're kind of teetering on a

1046
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: knife ridge like it was not It was maybe the

1047
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: worst shooting position I've ever taken. But you know, I'm thinking,

1048
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. May think like the winds whipping all the wind.

1049
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: All that wind has to do is change one time,

1050
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: and that bowl. He had plenty of a scape rouse

1051
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: to get out of there. He was kind of in

1052
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: this little kind of crazy clift out meadow um and

1053
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: there's a grove of trees kind of a perfect place

1054
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: for a bull to be, just feel secluded. He was

1055
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: good man, and I rip off the first shot. I

1056
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: think I hit him on the first shot. But if anybody,

1057
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: anybody knows me, knows that I keep shooting until, uh

1058
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: there's no cause to shoot anymore. And I don't know

1059
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: how many shots ripped off, four of them, at least

1060
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: uh four shots. I hit him a couple of times. Uh,

1061
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: but still wasn't sure. I mean, I knew I heard him.

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00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: I knew I heard him, and we didn't see him

1063
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: run or didn't hear him do anything, So you know,

1064
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: I kind of knew. I was confident, but still, you know,

1065
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't see him fall, and I didn't

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00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: really know, so you're not. Kind of cautiously worked our

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00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: way down and around. And he was in this little

1068
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: grove of lodge I was eating lodgepole pines. Was it

1069
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: with the aspens? No, it was those. I think it

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: was down in the junipers. Yeah, a big thick I

1071
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: mean a big thick patch of timber, like you had

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00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: to crawl in to get in there. And the worry

1073
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: was if he was wounded, you start crawling in there.

1074
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: He gets up and starts a bust out of there.

1075
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get somebody's gonna get trample here. So we

1076
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: were we were pretty uh cautious going in there. But

1077
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: like I said, I ended up going to working around

1078
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: the other way from you and walked in on this

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: bull and he's he was stone dead, and uh my

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: first reaction was, man, that's that's a nice bull, but

1081
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's the one. Like I feel so

1082
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: feel bad about that now. But as soon as I

1083
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: got picked up his both his main beams that tried

1084
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: to turn his head over to hold him up, I

1085
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: realized he was His entire rack was as tall as

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00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I am and as wide wider than I am, and

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't like. It was amazing, man, an

1088
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: amazing feeling for you know, like I said, from a

1089
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: kid from East Coast that always kind of dreamed about

1090
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: killing an elk, not even a big elk, to be

1091
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: able to to do that was absolutely wild. Yeah. You know,

1092
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: when I walked up, I was pretty excited about it,

1093
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: but you already had his head up because you had

1094
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: beat me to it. You're like, dude, like I said,

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01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: I think back on that, there's moments where I wasn't

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: fully realizing what was going on, but then when I did,

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: it was great. Man. I remember, my tradition is always

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01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: to call my dad after something like that happens, you know,

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01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: every time I kill an animal. I called my dad

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: and tell him the story right right off. And I

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: called my dad, and our buddy Spencer came in helped

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01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: us cut him up and pack them out, and the

1103
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: ensuing snowstorm the next day. That Spencer's timing was impeccable.

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: He showed up, and the next day we shot the

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: ball and packed it out. Yeah, he showed Yeah, he

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: showed up, and like it helped us glass for one

1107
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: day and then Boom was in there to help us

1108
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: pack it out and then back you know, it was

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01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: gone the next day. But yeah, I mean you and

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01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I went back in there the next day to get

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01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: to get the rest of Like I think we had

1112
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: two hind quarters maybe and some other meat we had

1113
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: hung up in some of those junipers, and I don't

1114
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: know what it was like. The air was crisp, there

1115
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: was fresh snow on the ground. I had realized kind

1116
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: of the success that we'd had. Like at that point,

1117
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: I was starting to realize how you know for two

1118
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: of as all this was. It was. That was one

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01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: of the best days ever had outside and we didn't

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01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: do anything but hike up and get that bull and

1121
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: come back. That's all we did. Um. Yeah, I remember

1122
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: slipping and sliding down all these hills and I had

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: hurt my name before. You may have these, but there's

1124
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: some pretty cool pictures if I remember right. There's one

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: of you resting. Yeah, we were sitting there. We'd gone

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: halfway down the hill towards camp. Because didn't we hiked

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: straight out one time, we didn't go back. We just

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: decided to bomb straight off the mountain. Yeah, we just

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: hiked straight up and straight back. Um, because we had

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: gone around to get to get a good wind, but

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: we could. We just hi straight up from camp, which

1132
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: was gnarly. It was slippery. There's a lot of ice

1133
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: that day. Um yeah, let me, I'm gonna look at

1134
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: my phone and see what I got in here, because

1135
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: I have I saved all all those photos in my

1136
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: phone from that year. But it was, man, that was

1137
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: that was a great Like I had hurt my knee

1138
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: the day before packing the bull out. There's a picture

1139
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: of our lamp. I love the lamp. I think I

1140
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: kept the lamp. I have it, you have it still,

1141
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't even have to go look in the shop.

1142
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: It's cool, it's it. You know. What I have in

1143
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: my phone is um a lot of pictures of the bull,

1144
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: but also like just pictures of my little kid, you know,

1145
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: interspersed with my son who's an now three and a half,

1146
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: interspersed with all these pictures of this big elk. So

1147
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a cool, cool intertwined memory for me. Um.

1148
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, what a giant elk. Jesus look at

1149
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: this thing. I'll have to post some photos of it.

1150
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, man, like I said, one of the better

1151
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: days I've ever had outside um packing the rest of

1152
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: that meat down. And then then after our snowy day,

1153
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: I headed out the next morning, and for the fortune

1154
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: drive back, I felt like I was on the big

1155
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: bulltool of America. Every gas station I stopped at I

1156
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: had fourteen dudes come over, where did you kill that bowl? Man?

1157
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: So I must have told that story a thousand times

1158
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: um after that, So I enjoyed the trip home with

1159
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: I had a YETI two tan full. Uh, you know,

1160
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: every every sliver of meat you could possibly get in

1161
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: there and uh, I remember we were trying to figure

1162
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: out how is this gonna hold it? And we decided

1163
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: yes it will, Oh, yes it will. Yeah, And I

1164
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: made the triumphant return home to my my stressed out

1165
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: wife and my little baby, and I was like, look,

1166
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: I got you brought her the meat and kicks mass. Yeah,

1167
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: it's like a real caveman activity. The club I didn't know, No,

1168
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: the different club. I think that was a Weatherby club

1169
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: that I used. Um, I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah,

1170
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it was. But yeah, man, it was. It was. Well,

1171
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: it's it's good to hold this story to last for

1172
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: our daily show because, like I said, there's so much

1173
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: Uh it's my favorite story for all the reasons we

1174
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: already said, but there's just so much that that happens

1175
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: within hunting, especially now like I said earlier, that we

1176
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: can sit back and just tell hunting stories and and

1177
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: look forward to the hunting stories were to create in

1178
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: the future. Um that stories like this that are kind

1179
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: of intertwined with important moments in our lives personally. You know,

1180
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: for me, my the birth of my son is uh,

1181
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's fun to know like the power of

1182
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: those memories. Um, because this is one of the this

1183
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: is one of the hunts. There's a lot of hunts

1184
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: I've gone on where I don't really remember all the details.

1185
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: This one I can remember the details like like nothing, um,

1186
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: even the little details. I can remember what the Alaska

1187
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: lawyer looked like, and like what he was wearing. Where

1188
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: young for a lawyer to remember that, like late thirties, Um,

1189
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: probably I think you know he was. He just looked

1190
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: like he hadn't slept in weak at that point when

1191
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: he was shot. I just remember him being so well,

1192
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: shout out. I laugh about it, but that not because

1193
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at him, just how emotional it can be

1194
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: for someone. And then on our end, we're just having

1195
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: a great time, just in there, having having a salewich,

1196
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: talking about our strategy, Gonna go back to our pink

1197
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: lamp and have some mountain house. Yeah that's a good

1198
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: hunt man. Uh, appreciate you reliving it with me. I

1199
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: would love to draw that tag again, although I probably

1200
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: never will. Yeah, it'd be awesome, I put in I

1201
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: never drawed either, So thank you for the Western hunt tags. Well,

1202
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: I I obviously owe you, so if you draw one, um,

1203
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: I'll be there. I'll set up a wall to come

1204
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: up and help me pack it out. You bring the

1205
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: pink lamp, I'll bring the wall tent. Perfect, I've got it.

1206
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive if I find it, I'm gonna send

1207
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: it to send it to me. So I wand I'd

1208
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: like you to sign it and date it and send

1209
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: it to me, you know mine, I will. That's perfect.

1210
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: All right, brother, thanks for joining us. Be well over there,

1211
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: stay safe YouTube. We'll see you by that's it. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Episode fifteen of the Quarantine Cast is over, and thus

1213
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: ends the three week run of our Quarantine Cast. You

1214
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: might you might ask why that we're not going to

1215
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: continue to do this every day. Part of it is

1216
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: that we want to continue bringing good content, and the

1217
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: more we do this every day, the more that kind

1218
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: of stretches things out. Um, but we we just want

1219
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: to get back to our regular scheduled show so we

1220
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: can bring you more content elsewhere. So check in the

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: mediator dot com, check in the Mediator YouTube, check in

1222
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: all the Mediator social sites, and follow me at beny

1223
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: o B three oh one for more fun stuff throughout

1224
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: our quarantine however long that lasts. And before we go,

1225
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of put some things perspective

1226
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: from from my end. I had some notes written, but

1227
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: I threw them out because it's want to kind of

1228
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: speak from the heart, um in a time like this,

1229
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: and to share some of my perspective. I would say

1230
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: that this, as I said earlier, is a slow moving tragedy.

1231
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: It just seems to get tougher every day, of course,

1232
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: until the point where it isn't tougher anymore and we

1233
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: start to flatten the curve and get get down out

1234
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: of this. But I can't imagine that this won't change

1235
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: how we act and who we are for a very

1236
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: long time to come. Um. It will change our our society,

1237
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: I think, change our culture for sure. But in the

1238
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: short term where we are now, in this moment, we

1239
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: have to be even minded. That has to That has

1240
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: to be one of our virtues. You know, always just

1241
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: keep in mind that. You know, like fear and anxiety

1242
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: are prevalent. I feel them. I know what it's like

1243
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: to kind of wake up in the middle night and

1244
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: not know what the next day might hold, or fear

1245
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: for your loved ones wherever they may be, or whether

1246
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: and quarantine with you, or quarantine somewhere else. I know

1247
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: that feeling. It's not fun, but I think just keep

1248
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: in mind, the more that we value things that are

1249
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: outside of our control, the less we control what we have.

1250
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: Um that's a famous quote from somebody else, So I

1251
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: don't don't think I made that up. The all of

1252
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: our future is uncertain. Every day we might we we

1253
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: trick ourselves into thinking that kind of the structure of

1254
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: society and the way we have put our lives together

1255
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: gives us some certainty, some control, but it doesn't really

1256
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: we really don't. So embrace that now and find things

1257
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: that make you happy, Embrace your loved ones, control the

1258
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: things you can control within your own quarantined life. That's

1259
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. And as I said, this is

1260
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: probably gonna get worse before he gets better, or I turned.

1261
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: I turned to positivity to fill the void, the void

1262
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: of confusion, the void of just the unknown. So I'm

1263
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna turn to positivity and I'm gonna lift everybody up

1264
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: around me and hopefully continue to entertain you guys and

1265
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: lift you up through th HC. So thanks to every

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: single person that joined us over this as guests over

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Speaker 1: this fifteen episode run, Thank you to fill the engineer

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