1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week the first major of the year, 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: The Masters. I just got to Augusta and I was 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: trying to think of what to do this week for 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: the podcast. And I think the Masters is so special 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: because of a lot of things, right, But I think 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: one of the things that makes it so special is 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: it's the only major to where it's at the same 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: course every single year. So there are so many memories 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: at Augusta. Because the golf course is the same, the 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: venue is the same, the location's the same, you kind 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: of know what you're going to get. You kind of 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: know what the week is going to be like. Throughout history, 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: so many iconic moments. And my grandfather won the Masters 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight, and our family, we have a 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: pretty rich history here. My dad's worked with a bunch 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: of players that have won here, Tiger and Phil and 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of the players that he's worked with. My 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: uncle Billy caddied for Jay Haas here. They had a 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: chance to win in eighty six when he was on 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the bag for Jay Haas. But I just wanted to 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: talk about kind of my memories at Augusta that kind 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: of stand out to me and the first real one 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: for me. And it's actually the first time I went 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: to Augusta National and went to the Masters. It was 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. That's the Larry Mees chip in with 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: Greg Norman, and I was going through and looking at 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: and doing some research for it. And one hundred and 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: sixty two thousand dollars Larry Mayes one in nineteen eighty seven, 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: which is, you know, given what players are winning tournaments now, 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. When my grandfather won in nineteen forty, 32 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: I think he made twenty five hundred dollars US. But 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: the Masters in nineteen eighty seven was my first trip 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: to Augusta National, And if I'm honest, it was really 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: kind of the first time that I really kind of 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: understood kind of what my family did. I didn't play 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: a lot of golf growing up. I really didn't. I 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: didn't play junior golf at any level. I think I 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: tried out from my high school golf team because I 40 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: think I thought I was supposed to try out for 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: it because my dad was a golf pro. And I 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: mean I shot a million for nine holes. I was 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: not a good golfer and never was a good golfer, 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: still not a great golfer. So I never played golf 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: at any level, so I didn't really kind of understand, 46 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, who my grandfather was and kind of his 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: place in history. And you've got to remember, in the 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: late eighties, golf was not cool. It wasn't what it 49 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: is today. To me, growing up, golf was, you know, 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: funny clothes and a bunch of old people playing lots 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: of rules, and it just wasn't something that I was 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: really drawn to. And I think because my father grew 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: up having a famous father like I did, I think 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: he felt a lot of pressure, right, I think he 55 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: felt a lot of pressure to play. My dad had brothers, 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: all four of them played, and I think my dad 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: felt a lot a lot of pressure. I never felt that, 58 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: and my dad never really pushed golf on me. So 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: when we went to the Masters in eighty seven, it 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: was very much an eye opener because it was really 61 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: the first time that I actually really spent any time, 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: if I'm honest, around my grandfather. My grandfather was. He 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: was old school, very much like my dad. He wasn't 64 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: the most warm and fuzzy type of person, but that week. 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about that week, maybe 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: the fact that my father chose to name me after him, 67 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: that he saw something that was the year. I think 68 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: I was graduating from high school that year in nineteen 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: eighty seven, and every single almost every single day, he 70 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: took me for breakfast up to the old Champions locker room, 71 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: which was tiny. I mean, the Champions locker room, even 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five is not very big. I think 73 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: people would be very surprised at just how small it 74 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: is today. But back then, in the late eighties, I mean, 75 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: it was tiny. But he took me up there for breakfast, 76 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: and it was very much kind of an eye opening 77 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: experience for me because I saw how he was treated, 78 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the praise and the respect that he was shown by 79 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: all the great players. And I just remember going up 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: into the locker room and Byron Nelson was there, Sam 81 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Snead was there. I mean, I saw Sevy for the 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: first time, Arnold Jack, all these you know, just icons 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: in these you know, heroic kind of figures in the 84 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: game of golf. And I don't know why he chose 85 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: to do that, because I didn't really have any real 86 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: relationship with the guy. I mean, you know, I was 87 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: a high schooler. I didn't play golf, so in that respect, 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: I was kind of an outsider. But it was a really, 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: really kind act that he did, and he took me. 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: We had breakfast, and it was just I'll always remember that, 91 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: and every time I come back to the Masters, it's 92 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: always a memory that's that's very fresh in my mind, 93 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: even though it was a really long time ago. I 94 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: also think that we got in trouble because we were 95 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: staying in a house and you know, I was bored, 96 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: and again, I wasn't really into golf back then, and 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to go see a movie. Take the car 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: and go see a movie, and both my parents you're 99 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: not going to see a movie. So if I remember correctly, 100 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I walked to the movie theater and saw Angel Heart, 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: which had just come out with Mickey Rourke and Robert 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: de nirof anybody's seen that movie. And I think I 103 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: got grounded for going out and got in a lot 104 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: of trouble for that. But that's really the first kind 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: of Master's memory that I have. The second one that 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: stands out nineteen ninety seven, my dad was organ with 107 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. Tiger wins eighteen under wins by twelve and 108 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: going back and looking at the prize money in that year, 109 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: so ten years later, four hundred and eighty six thousand 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: total perse was two point seven million, which is just 111 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: again crazy to think of, But there seemed to be 112 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: somewhat that year of almost an inevitability about Tiger winning there. 113 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: And I think it was the way in which he won. 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: He shot forty on the front I think a lot 115 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: of people forget that. On Thursday Tiger Woods went out 116 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: and shot forty on the front nine at Augusta in 117 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: the Masters and went on to win by twelve and 118 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: shoot eighteen under, which kind of gives you an idea 119 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: of the iconic week that that was. And I just 120 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: remember it was on the old driving range, which is 121 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: kind of behind the clubhouse now. So when you drive 122 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: down Magnolia Lane, you get to the clubhouse where everybody 123 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: takes their pictures, and then you go over to the 124 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: right the members driving ranges all along the right hand side. 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: And now when you come in, you come to the 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: clubhouse and you take a writ and the past champions 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: now park there, But back in the day, that's where 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: the driving range was, and I just remember watching and 129 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: sitting on the driving range and watching my dad work 130 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: with Tiger. And you know, I'd known Tiger since nineteen 131 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: ninety three. The first golf lesson my dad ever gave 132 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods in August of ninety three in Houston at 133 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Lock and Bar. I ran all the video and shut 134 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: all the video for that. So I'd spend a lot 135 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: of time around Tiger, and you know, knew him pretty well. 136 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: And I just remember waiting. I came around from the 137 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: driving range and got on the other side of the clubhouse, 138 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: which is where the golf courses, and there's the big 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: tree by the clubhouse where everyone hangs out, and I 140 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to see him before he went out, and 141 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: so I kind of positioned myself to where I knew 142 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: he was going to have to pass me, and he 143 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: saw me, made eye contact and everything, and I said 144 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to him, go have fun, you know, go out and 145 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: have fun today. And I just remember that week. It 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: was just I mean, it was just crazy, the things 147 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: that he was doing, the shots that he was hitting. 148 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: But the thing that I always remember about that week 149 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: was it was like golf changed overnight. In ninety seven 150 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: at the Masters and the players that Tiger beat that week. 151 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he beat Tom Kite by twelve shots. You know, 152 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: you had Ton of Montgomery in an interview talking about 153 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, he just plays a game that you know, 154 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: nobody really has ever seen before, and he was doing 155 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: things and hitting the golf ball. I mean, I can 156 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: remember in the early nineties Tiger had I think, gosh, 157 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: the first off listening he came to take with my dad. 158 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: I think he had either Mazzuno MP twenty seven's or seventeen's. 159 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: The seven always stands out to me. Played the Max 160 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: Fly HT ninety golf ball. They had the Berner Flex twist, 161 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: the tailor made Berner Flex twist driver and back then 162 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: he hit shots as far with that old equipment as 163 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: he definitely hit his irons as far as you know 164 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: they do today. I mean, it's crazy to think like that, 165 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: but there was just so much hype, and I don't 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: think there's ever been Rarely do we see an athlete 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: live up to the hype like Tiger did, right. I mean, 168 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: he came out, he was a superstary when all the usams. 169 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the next great thing. He 170 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: played at Augusta in the past as the Usam champion, 171 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: and there was just something about him and at that time, 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: and I consider myself incredibly lucky to have been there 173 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: in ninety seven to watch everything that he did, because 174 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: it was just it was fascinating to watch him just 175 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: overpower a golf course and overpower a field that you know, 176 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: almost at times made professional golfers who had had incredible 177 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: careers look just mediocre and ordinary. I mean, you know, 178 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Tom Kite was an unbelievable player. You know, the players 179 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: at that time in the day, Davis Love, Greg Norman, 180 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Tiger just he just changed golf overnight. And 181 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: it was pretty special to be there. It was warm. 182 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: I remember. I remember being on the old eleventh fair 183 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: way when he hit one over to the right and 184 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: I was standing by his mom. And there was a 185 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: guy back then who was kind of Tiger's guy at 186 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Nike named Greg Nard, and he was kind of, you know, 187 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: escorting Tiger's mom around. But just all of the buzz 188 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: and all of the hype that week and to see 189 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: Tiger do that and to do the things that he 190 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: did that week in ninety seven was just magical from 191 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: a golf standpoint. And that was the first of his 192 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: fifth Masters, and just like being at the Masters in 193 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: eighty seven with my grandfather, to be there in ninety seven, 194 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: ten years later. I was in the golf you know, 195 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: trying to get in the golf business at that time 196 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: and trying to find my way as a young professional, 197 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, ninety seven always sticks out to me as 198 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: something really really special. The three DP Tour iron utilizes 199 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,239 Speaker 1: three D printing technology to unlock a new realm of performance. 200 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: Printed from three to sixteen stainless steel, the three DP 201 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: Tour delivers the shape and feel of a player's blade 202 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: with the stability and forgiveness of a game improvement iron, 203 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the most forgiving blade shape on the market. 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I was living in Europe at 212 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the time, living in Scotland and traveling on the European 213 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: Tour and started working with Trevor in two thousand and 214 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: two when I moved from Las Vegas to London and 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: lived in London for a year and then moved to Glasgow, Scotland. 216 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: And you know, the goal was when I started working 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: with Trevor, he was outside, you know, he wasn't He 218 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: had had a ton of hype. I mean, he made 219 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: the cut at the Masters, you know, as an amateur. 220 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: But our goal was to get to the Masters, right, 221 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: and so it took two long, hard years of a 222 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of work, a lot of travel in Europe, all 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: over the world. And I remember going to the Masters 224 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: for the first time. Obviously my grandfather had won there, 225 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: my dad had you know, helped Tiger win there, and 226 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you know all of the history of the fan and 227 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: I just remember walking on again to the old driving 228 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: range and I felt like I wasn't an impostor anymore. 229 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, imposter syndrome is real, right, and I had 230 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: that for a long time in my life and in 231 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: my career. And you know, there's still times where I 232 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: struggle with confidence, wondering if I'm good enough, wondering if 233 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm ever going to get to the next level, and 234 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, all of those things, and when Tiger won 235 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: in ninety seven, to go back there in two thousand 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: and four, I said to myself in ninety seven, I'm 237 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: going to come back here one day with a player 238 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: that was my goal. That was that was really my 239 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: dream to do that, to come back and be a 240 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: part of that, and to know what that felt like 241 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: to walk onto the range with the player that you 242 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: were working on, because to me as a golf instructor, 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: it's the pinnacle of I think what we do to 244 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: work with a player that is good enough to get 245 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: into a major championship, but to work with a player 246 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: that is good enough to get into a Master's he's 247 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: to me something very, very very special. And I just 248 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: remember walking onto the range with Trevor. If I remember correctly, 249 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: that was Arnold's last Masters in two thousand and four, 250 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and Trevor was supposed to play a practice round with him. 251 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know if I guess I still 252 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: can't remember if they actually played that practice round, but 253 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I just I had a huge sense of pride in 254 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: myself that I had watched you know, my dad have 255 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: this unbelievable career as kind of the goat of professional 256 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: golf instruction, and you know, all the work that he 257 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: did with all the majors that Tiger won there, and 258 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: the history of the family and my grandfather and stuff, 259 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: and I just I still to this day remember walking 260 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: onto the driving range and just saying to myself, Yeah, 261 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: you did it, because that was a goal that I 262 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: had set for myself back in ninety seven when I 263 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: watched Tiger win there and watching my dad work with 264 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: him on the driving range and watching you know, David 265 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: Ledbetter at that time was just you know, a larger 266 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: than life character. He was an icon. You know, the 267 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: work that he did with Nick Faldo and all of that. 268 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: It just in ninety seven, it left a really big 269 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: impression on me. And so when I started coaching and 270 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: started teaching and started doing it full time in two 271 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: thousand and two, I met Trevor and you know, he 272 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: asked me the first time I worked with him, Hey, 273 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: what would the goal be? And I said, Hey, the 274 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: goal would be to get you inside the top fifty. 275 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: Back then top fifty got you into all the majors. 276 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: And I said to him the goal is to get 277 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: you back where you kind of belong. Because Trevor was 278 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: always going to be a great player, he was always 279 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: going to be an amazing golfer. But when I met 280 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: him in Europe in two thousand and two, I was traveling. 281 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: I was working with Adam Scott and Darren Clark at 282 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: that time, and he asked me for some help. And 283 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, listen, if we worked together, 284 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: the goal would be to get you into all the 285 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: majors and for the rest of your life, you know, 286 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: get you to play in all the golf tournament it 287 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And so the two of us kind of 288 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: set out a goal to do that, and you know, 289 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: we didn't make the cut that week, but it was 290 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: a very very important week for me and and in 291 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: my life. And I do remember he was working with 292 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: Bob Rotella at the time, and Trevor was incredibly technical. 293 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't give Trevor enough information. I just 294 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: I mean it was information overload. I mean it was 295 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: cracked to the crack addict. And you know, if I 296 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: had it to do over again, I probably wouldn't have 297 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: listened to him tell me to give him more information. 298 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: More things to work on. We worked, I mean, we 299 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: worked our asses off for the three four years that 300 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: I worked with Trevor. I mean, I think it broke 301 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: the both of us. He broke his body, we broke 302 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: each other. But I remember he was working with Bob 303 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: Rotella at the time, and Rotella was really trying to 304 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: get him to kind of get out of technique and 305 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: get out of thinking so much about his golf swing, 306 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: something that you know I talk a lot about on 307 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: the pod and a fore iron. And again this was 308 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the old range, So the back end of the range 309 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: has still to this day has netting because Washington Road 310 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: is just behind it and the balls could go into 311 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Washington Road. So Roteller was like, all right, let's get 312 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: out of the technique and let's get into kind of 313 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: hitting a shot. And so he said, what I want 314 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: you to do is I want you to pick a 315 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: fore iron. I want you to pick out a very 316 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: very small target, like a really really small target, and 317 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: the only thing I want you to do is start 318 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: the golf ball at the target. That's the goal of 319 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: this test drill whatever he called it. And he said, 320 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: after each shot, I'm going to ask you one question. 321 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: Did the ball start at your target, and it's a 322 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: yes or no answer, and that's the only thing I 323 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: want from you. So Trevor stands up, picks out you 324 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: know something, and then I remember Bob saying no, no, no, 325 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I need something. So Trevor said, I wanted to kind 326 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: of start it at that tree and I'm going to 327 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: hit a fade. And I remember Bob saying, okay, what 328 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: part of the tree needs you to be really really specific? 329 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: And so tred picked out a bunch of really specific targets. 330 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: And so the first one he hits four and beautiful 331 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: four starts at his intended target. He had like a 332 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: little branch on a tree, started it and kind of 333 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: hit a little beautiful high, little cut fade. And he 334 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: came back and Bob said, did the ball start at 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: the target? And he said yes, and then he went 336 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: into an explanation of something else, and Bob said, no, 337 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't I don't care about any of that. Did 338 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: the ball start at the target that you told me 339 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: you had? He said yes, And he said, all right, 340 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: pick out another target, same forearn and very specific target. 341 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: Do it again. And every time Trevor hit a good one, 342 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: he would want to expand on the shot. Every time 343 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: he hit a bad one, he would want to expand 344 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: on it even more. And I'll always remember this that 345 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: Bob Rotella said to him, Listen, you're hitting a Foearn 346 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: two hundred and something yards. You've picked out an incredibly 347 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: specific small target for where you want the golf ball 348 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: to start. How much more control do you really think 349 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: that you have over what you're doing. And that's another 350 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: thing that's always stuck with me about and I've talked 351 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: about this a lot on the podcast, about finding start lines, 352 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: finding you know, all of these things. That was kind 353 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: of if I look back at it now, maybe I 354 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: think that was kind of the impetus of that is 355 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: picking out something really really small and where does the 356 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: ball need to start? And even though Trevor didn't make 357 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: the cut that week, it was a huge week for 358 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: me professionally, but I think more personally because I kind 359 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: of finally felt like I belonged in our family, because 360 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: I never really felt and even to this day, I 361 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: sometimes feel like a complete outsider in the Harmon family. 362 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: But it was the first time that I felt like 363 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: I belong. I've done the work and I've helped a 364 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: player get to kind of the pinnacle of golf, which 365 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: is playing in the Masters. And I'm incredibly proud of 366 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: that moment, and I think about it a lot, and 367 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I think about the journey that I've been on since then, 368 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, almost over twenty years later. And I do 369 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: also remember that was the same year we were at 370 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: the Players Championship and Trevor qualified again being in the 371 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: top fifty. My dad was working with that Scott, this 372 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: funny one, and so my dad says to me, we're 373 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: on the range, Trevor's hitting balls and talk to my 374 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: dad and you know, I was living in Europe at 375 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the time, and back then, you know, I didn't have 376 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the greatest relationship with my dad. It's it's a little 377 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: better now, but back then it wasn't great. And my 378 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: dad said to me, you know, how's your man playing 379 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: this week, Trevor Immelman. And I said, you know, I 380 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: think he's playing really good. I think he's got a 381 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: chance to win. And my dad said win. He said, man, 382 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: your guy's never going to win a golf tournament. And 383 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: I said, and at the time he's worked with with 384 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: with Adam Scott. I said, I'll bet you one hundred 385 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: dollars that Trevor wins a major before Adam Scott. And 386 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: my dad always carries his money in a He wraps 387 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: his credit cards around, you know, one hundred dollars bills 388 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: and then puts a rubber band around it. And he 389 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: took his we're on the range at TPC Sawgrass, Jacksonville. 390 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: He takes his money out of his pocket and he 391 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: throws it onto the ground on the range and he goes, 392 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: I'll bet you all the money i've got that. Your man. 393 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Never anyone even went a tournament on the PGA tournal, 394 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: let alone win a major. And I said, well, I'll 395 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: bet he wins one hundred dollars a major before Adam Scott. 396 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: And like I said, Trevor and I we just wore 397 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: each other out. We broke each other. And then I 398 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: think it was four. We were at the where were 399 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: we We were at the World Cup in Spain. Trevor 400 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: and Roy Sabatini had won the World Cup in three 401 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: at Kyawhile and they're defending champions and I just I 402 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: was going through divorce. I was living out of my car, 403 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: and you know, Trevor was we were just in full 404 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: grind mode and I just I quit. I just said, 405 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I just can't take this anymore. And we didn't really 406 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: talk for a long time, and it was, you know, 407 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: it was a really bad breakup as breakups go, because 408 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: we just were so close, we spent so much time together, 409 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't take it anymore. I was just 410 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: at a time in my life to where I was 411 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: just so broken at that time, both personally and professionally. 412 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: And when Trevor won in eight, I sent him a message. 413 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: We hadn't really talked a lot, you know, we kind 414 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: of started to say hi to each other, but we 415 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: really didn't have much of a relationship, and he responded 416 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: almost immediately and said, tell your old man to give 417 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: me my one hundred dollars bill. So four was was 418 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: huge for me. And then when Adam Scott won his 419 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: first major in the rain was at eleven twelve, I mean, 420 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: I can't even remember. That was such a special moment 421 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: because I'd worked with Adam when he was younger, and 422 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: I love Adam like a brother. I mean, he's just 423 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: such an amazing, amazing person. He's such an amazing golfer. 424 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: And the year before he lost you know, enormous lead, 425 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I think he bow you the last four holes at 426 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: the Open Championship at Royal Lythm And I was working 427 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: with Ernie Els at that time, and it was the 428 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: first major that I'd been a part of, and I 429 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: just remember going to the back of the clubhouse there 430 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: to watch Ernie get the trophy and seeing Adam and 431 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: he was in tears, and you know, he hugged me 432 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: and said he was proud of me, and still makes 433 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: me emotional. So to see Adam win at Augusta the 434 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: way he won, I mean, I'll never forget it. And 435 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: then that iconic picture of Scotty's standing there in the 436 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: rain in the dark with all of the flash photography, 437 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: with his arms kind of open, and I was watching 438 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: it with Arnola board from Rolex, and you know, Adam 439 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: one and I went outside underneath the tree and I 440 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: just started crying because I was just so happy for him. 441 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, there are wins, but 442 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: Augusta just it brings out all of these amazing moments 443 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: and these amazing, you know, victories. And I think most golfers, 444 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: if they could win one major, I think a lot 445 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: of the Europeans would probably say the Open championship, which 446 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: I totally one get, but I think everybody wants to 447 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: be a Master's champion, and when you do win one, 448 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: there is so much that goes along with that. So 449 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Adam went. I just remember it was raining. That's Sunday 450 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: in thirteen. It was cold, it was raining, It rained 451 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: all day on Sunday. And to see Adam do that, 452 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, with the amount of time that my dad 453 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: and I had spent with him in the early part 454 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: of his career, traveling around Europe with Adam, and yeah, 455 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: it was it was really really cool to see that. Obviously, 456 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: Tiger in nineteen stands out, you know, from a memory 457 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: for me for loads of reasons. The first, I was 458 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: working with both Brooks and DJ at the time and 459 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: they both lost by a shot. Brooks had the tournament 460 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: ri instant in the water at twelve, and I think 461 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen that was really kind of the first time 462 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: that younger generation had ever seen Tiger be Tiger right 463 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: at full flow, Tiger at a major at the Masters, 464 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: not making mistakes, and to be a part of that 465 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: one in nineteen, having been there when for Tiger to 466 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: win his fifth, having seen him win his first in 467 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: ninety seven, and the heartbreak for me for having two 468 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: guys had had a chance to win. I thought Brooks 469 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: was going to do it. I really did, and DJ 470 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: kind of came out of nowhere on that Sunday to 471 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: give himself a chance. And I just remember walking up 472 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: from eighteen and I saw Trevor Immlman and we were 473 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: just sitting there and just we were kind of standing 474 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: and scoring. Brooks was there, and you know, it's that 475 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: scene where Tiger walks up with Charlie and he kind 476 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: of walks into that scoring area and I'm kind of standing. 477 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: I think I'm standing behind Zach Johnson. There's video of it. 478 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: He kind of goes down the line and kind of 479 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: gives everybody a high five. I got a high five, 480 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and I just was standing there with Trevor, and you 481 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: know the story I told you O four. The first 482 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: player I worked with in professional golf, really on my 483 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: own was Trevor and and for the two of us 484 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: to be there standing watching Tiger, I mean Tiger was 485 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, he he's everybody's idol. I mean he's Brooks's idol, 486 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: but I mean he was Trevor's idol, right, And Trevor 487 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: grew up and played in the Tiger era, right, So 488 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: for the two of us to just be standing there 489 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: and for all the time that you know, the years. 490 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, my dad worked with Tiger from ninety three 491 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: to two, and I spent so much time around him, 492 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: both on and off the golf course. I mean, he 493 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: used to come stay at our house when he was 494 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen. I used to go pick him up the airport. 495 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: You used to have to go wake him up in 496 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: the morning when he stay at our house. He had 497 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: these big coke bottle glasses before he got the Lasik, 498 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: and my dad would go to work and he'd say, hey, 499 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: go down and wake you know, make sure Tiger. You know, 500 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: you bring him to Locking Bar in Houston. So I'd 501 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: go down and I'd set my alarm, go down and 502 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: wake him up, take a shower, get dressed, and have 503 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: to go down and wake him up again. So to 504 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: see him win the Masters for the fifth time, and 505 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: to be there when he walked into scoring, I mean, 506 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: it's pretty damn cool, right, I mean, it's something that 507 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: I'll always remember. And then the following year, in twenty twenty, 508 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: the COVID year November DJ winning no fans which is 509 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: just because the thing about the Masters and the thing 510 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: about the golf course is because it is so undulated 511 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: and because there are so much elevation change. You know, 512 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: for people listening that have been, you know that if 513 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: you haven't been, I think the one thing for the 514 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: first timers at Augusta, they're just blown away by the 515 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: topography on how much elevation change. So when you stand 516 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: on the eighteenth green and you're up by the clubhouse, 517 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: and if you're walking from the clubhouse down to the 518 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: golf course, especially on Sunday, you kind of hear roars 519 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: echoing through the trees, through the crowds. And there are 520 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: certain players. You know, there's Tiger rars, there were Jack roars, 521 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: there were Greg Norman roars. Now there are Rory mckel 522 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: roars and Scottie Scheffler roars. But they're they're very distinctive 523 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: and they kind of rumble and echo through. You'll hear 524 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: or someone if someone makes a hole in one, Like 525 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: there'll be times during the practice rounds where we'll be 526 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: on the driving range and there'll be skipping balls across 527 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: the sixteenth pond and you'll hear the crowd. You can 528 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: hear it, and to go there in twenty with no 529 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: fans and coming out of the pandemic and all of 530 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: the things and all the regulations and having to wear 531 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: a mask, and it was just very eerie. It was 532 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: in November, so it was cold, it was wet, so 533 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: it was a very different experience than being there in 534 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: April with fans and our patrons as they call them. 535 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: And I just remember it being I could actually get 536 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: out and walk around and see the golf course really 537 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: really up close, because the only people on the golf 538 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: course were some of the members and some of the officials, 539 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: and then those of us that were part of player 540 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: support coaches, we were allowed to go out and follow 541 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: and just like in ninety seven, DJ came in having 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he was the best player in the world. 543 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: Everybody knew it. He knew it, we knew it, the 544 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: media knew it, everybody knew it. He was the favorite, 545 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, it was it was pretty special. I never 546 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: thought that that would happen, you know, in my life. 547 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: In my career, my goal was just to work with 548 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: a player that got to the Masters, that played in 549 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: a Master's So to be working with DJ in twenty 550 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: twenty and to be a part of that, and having 551 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: watched Tiger the year before win and being in scoring 552 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: when he came in there and win, And then I 553 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: was standing with aj DJ's brother by the putting green 554 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: and Tiger Woods walked out with DJ, and I just 555 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: remember just it really was incredibly surreal for me to 556 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: be standing on the putt and green and watching a 557 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: player that I worked with about to have a green 558 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: jacket put on him by I mean by Tiger Woods. 559 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's just, you know, you have 560 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: these moments in your your life and in your professional 561 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: career where they just almost don't seem real, and that 562 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: one is crazy. I just remember standing behind the putting 563 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: green with you know, Paulina, DJ's wife and David Winkle's agent, 564 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: and I remember Bubba Watson came down and Bubba whispered 565 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: to me. He said, I think we're gonna see our 566 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: boy cry here if he wins this thing, and you know, 567 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: obviously won and everything like that. And I do remember 568 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: when Tiger put the green jacket on DJ, and and 569 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: Amanda Balionis went to interview DJ, and Tiger was standing 570 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: next to me and put his arm around me and 571 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: he said, I'm proud of you, and it meant a 572 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: lot to me. And DJ started crying and Tiger said 573 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: to me, the green jacket will do that to you. 574 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: So it is emotional. It is an emotional place, and 575 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: there were so many historic things that happened there, and Yo, 576 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: when I thought about doing this pod, I didn't think 577 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: I'd be as emotional as I am. But it's just 578 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: such a place. It's got a lot of history, and yeah, 579 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: it's special. And so anytime I'm able to come back 580 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: here and work with the player DJ this week and 581 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: then I'm working with Noah Kent, who by getting to 582 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: the finals of the US AM he gets into the 583 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Masters and the US Open. So it's going to be 584 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: really cool to see Noah here for the first time. 585 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: But the emotion that this place gets out of you, 586 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: whether you win or lose, I mean, I just remember 587 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen when Tiger won and Brooks didn't win and 588 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: finished second, and I remember waiting. I waited until he 589 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: finished his media and waited and he came into the 590 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: parking behind the tournament driving range and he was crying. 591 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: I gave him a hug. Ricky Ellitt was there with us, 592 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: and you know, we didn't really say much and he left, 593 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: and you know, Brooks won the PGA not long after that. 594 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: So but yeah, it's a special place. It's iconic, and 595 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: it holds a very special place in history, and certainly 596 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: in my life and my family. It's a special place 597 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: and in my career. It has played a huge role. 598 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: The times that I've been at Augusta, the moments and 599 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: the years that I was lucky enough to be here 600 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: in some of the things that I've been lucky enough 601 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: to see in my lifetime. Is it's special. There's a 602 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: lot of rules. It's an interesting week. It's a very 603 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: different week for golf instructors like myself. We're not allowed 604 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: inside the ropes for practice rounds, which is the only 605 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: tournament that were not allowed, which is kind of interesting. 606 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: I remember when DJ was defending champion in twenty one. 607 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: I got to come back and he played a practial 608 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: I think it was the week before in twenty one, 609 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: and I got to walk around with him. And I'll 610 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: be fifty six next month. I've never played Augusta National. 611 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: I've never played the golf course. So in twenty one 612 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: I got to walk around the golf course and actually 613 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: got to get and stand on some of the greens 614 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: because again as an instructor at Augusta, were not allowed 615 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: inside the ropes. So being in twenty one, I just 616 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: another memory that comes up. It was first time I 617 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: had actually ever been on the golf course and ever 618 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: been inside the ropes, ever been on the first green, 619 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: ever been on the fifth green. I mean, I mean, 620 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: if you've never been on the fifth green, it's just 621 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: so much undulation. And I got to walk over to 622 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: the twelfth green, which I mean there are very few, 623 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, out of all the people on this planet, 624 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: to be able to play Augusta and to play the 625 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: golf course is very very rare. I just remember walking 626 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: across the bridge. It took a picture with DJ on 627 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: the bridge, but I just remember walking across the bridge 628 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, I'm on the twelfth green, gust 629 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: So the golf course is iconic, the city, the town, 630 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: the entire thing is incredibly special. I know, it's something 631 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: that for everyone listening, if you're a fan of golf, 632 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: it's something that you mark on your calendar. And when 633 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: you hear that kind of iconic Master's song from the broadcast, 634 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: it's always special. And one last story that I'll tell. 635 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: It's not my story, but it's another thing that is 636 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: always a memory for me. My grandfather used to love. 637 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: My uncle Billy has told this story. It's kind of 638 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: a famous one in our family. My uncle Billy was 639 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: caddying and my grandfather would always have dinner, and he'd 640 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: have breakfast and lunch up in the in the locker room, 641 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: in the champions locker room, and then they would put 642 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: a chair on the range for him and he would 643 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: just sit and watch people hit golf balls and watch 644 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: players hit golf balls. He loved to watch golf swings. 645 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: And evidently he had he had the green jacket on, 646 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: and he had he had like a food stain on 647 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: his green jacket. And my uncle Billy, he's caddying for 648 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: Jay Hasso. He's got the you know, the the white 649 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: you know jumpsuit that all the caddies here at Augusta 650 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: wear famously. And he took a towel and he wet 651 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,959 Speaker 1: the towel and he went to go wipe the food 652 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: stain off my grandfather's green jacket. And my grandfather wiped 653 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: his hand away and he said, Billy, you just worry 654 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: about keeping that white tuxedo clean. This week, I'll take 655 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: care of the green jacket. So honestly, every time The 656 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: Masters comes on television and that sound plays the music 657 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: with the you know, the piano and all of the 658 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: iconic song that that is, it's synonymous with the golf 659 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: course and the tournament. I just always think about my 660 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: grandfather telling him keep that white tuxedo clean. So anytime 661 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: I see any of the caddies, the first thing that 662 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: jumps into my head is keep that white tuxedo clean. 663 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's a special place. It's special week, 664 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: and I am excited. I think we're in for a 665 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: good one. You know, does Rory complete the Grand Slam? 666 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: Does Scottie Scheffler win? Does somebody get their first major? 667 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: Does someone step up? Do we have an incredible battle 668 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: on the back nine. I think a lot of people 669 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: are looking at what does Ludvig Oberg do? His game 670 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: looks like it's made for majors, had a chance to 671 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: win last year. Do we get a surprise winner? Do 672 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: you know we get somebody that isn't one of the favorites. 673 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: It's a long week, it's an amazing week, and it's 674 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: a week that I'm always incredibly proud and excited to 675 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: get to be a part of And you know, when 676 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: I look back at the arc and the trajectory of 677 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: my life and my career, the Masters is a huge, 678 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: huge part of my professional life and my professional career. 679 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: So really excited. Hopefully the weather holds off and we 680 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: get a really, really good twenty twenty five. Masters. Can't 681 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: thank everybody enough for listening. I say that all the 682 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: time when I close these podcasts. But I've traveled so 683 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: far this year. I've been to Saudi Arabia, I've been 684 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: to Australia, I've been to Bangkok, I've been to Hong Kong, 685 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: and I've been to Singapore, and in every one of 686 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,959 Speaker 1: those cities someone has come up to me and said, 687 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast. So I continue to be 688 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: blown away that people listen. So I can't thank everybody enough. 689 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: Rate review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Do a 690 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: little Master's recap next week.