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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seats by

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Speaker 1: an author, a documentarian who MIT called one of the

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Speaker 1: world's ten most influential intellectuals. He's published many twenty books,

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Speaker 1: including the one we're going to be talking about about

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Speaker 1: today's survival of the richest escape fantasies of the tech Billionaires. Please,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Doctor Douglas rush Cover.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Thanks for having me, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us. Yeah, like we were saying before, we're we

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Speaker 2: talk like we always like to have experts on on

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Speaker 2: certain things. And one thing we always keep hearing about

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Speaker 2: is like the scaries that billionaires get when they think

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Speaker 2: about the poor people rising up. And we've like we've

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Speaker 2: touched on like people buying properties in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: like these like billionaire escape bunkers and things like that,

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Speaker 2: And so when we were wanting to sort of discuss

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Speaker 2: this further, it was like it was just great to

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Speaker 2: like sort of see your work sort of completely overlap

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Speaker 2: with that, but also have like a larger look at

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Speaker 2: like it's really not so much about the bunkers themselves,

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Speaker 2: but the flawed thinking around even wanting a fucking bunker

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Speaker 2: to escape it all. So, yeah, we're really stoked to

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Speaker 2: have you on that.

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Speaker 3: Cool no, and thanks for that too, because some you know,

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Speaker 3: I write this book and there's this opening scene right

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Speaker 3: where I meet the billionaires who all want advice on

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Speaker 3: their bunkers, and most of the journalists and newspapers and

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Speaker 3: stuff who've covered it, they're like, oh my god, the

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Speaker 3: billionaires are going to leave us behind. It's just happening.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, read the book. These guys are pathetic.

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Speaker 3: None of this is working. The whole point of that scene,

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Speaker 3: it's a comedy. It's a comedy. This is laughable. These

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Speaker 3: guys are nuts, right Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it kind of leaves that behind pretty quickly, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then focuses on, you know, like tells the story

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Speaker 1: you needed any evidence, any more evidence that we are here,

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Speaker 1: there is a sixty minutes piece I think last this

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Speaker 1: past week where they were talking about Sam Bankmin Freed,

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Speaker 1: and like Michael Lewis was like, man, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: Like the world needs a Sam Bankment freed to like

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Speaker 1: save us from ourselves type shit.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he was saying that, I know he's got

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Speaker 3: a new book, Michael Lewis, you know he's like Moneyball

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Speaker 3: week after about Sam Bankman Freed. And people don't know

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Speaker 3: that's the crypto crazy he you know, giant crypto crash,

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Speaker 3: And but the weirder thing is like he's an effective altruist.

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Speaker 3: He's he's basically one of these people who believes that

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Speaker 3: going to be are going to be happier, and.

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Speaker 2: We will be we will be come back.

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Speaker 1: How many people there are going to be before like

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Speaker 1: after that? The direct quote from michae lewis there is

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Speaker 1: this idea of like a private person. We're now at

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Speaker 1: all of all of that stuff. What is something from

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Speaker 4: Well, if I skip over all the moms with huge

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Speaker 4: It's David Foster Wallace on being entirely yourself. Now, that

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Speaker 4: midlife crisis of a search. Yeah yeah, do you.

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Speaker 1: Write something good on being yourself? It's just a YouTube video.

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Speaker 1: It's a commencement speech.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, and it it.

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Speaker 4: It's probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever And I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me watch this guy tell me? Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: guy who wore a bandana? Was he really stuck guy?

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Speaker 1: Did Captain Leue Albano come first? Like we really don't know?

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Speaker 1: He can say like I do, like what I wish

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Speaker 1: somebody had asked to Davin Foster Wallace like why maybe

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Speaker 1: his on Being Yourself commencement, like, for instance, look at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's whatever.

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Speaker 1: Davin Foster wall is foremost intellectual of your generation. What

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Speaker 1: the fuck with the bandana? Yeah, but that bandana is

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Speaker 1: not it is.

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Speaker 4: Except who you are and be yourself unless you're balding

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Speaker 2: It's shameful.

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Speaker 2: There's a picture of him in two thousand and six

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Speaker 2: I made Is it entirely aesthetic? I don't know. David

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Speaker 2: Foster Wallace fans dial in, let us know about the dfd.

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Speaker 1: Oh and the lines are lighting up? My lighting up,

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Speaker 1: David Foster Wallace fans who all use land lines. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: tried to read infinite Just yeah, that's what you do,

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Speaker 4: But a fun thing to do is when someone says

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think of the ending? Crazy? Right?

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Speaker 2: Watch them?

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Speaker 2: All the spaceship were crazy? Dude? Wasn't expected, dude. The

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Speaker 2: his non fiction was really good though.

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Speaker 1: There the the I think Big Red Sun is his

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Speaker 1: like magazine, like long ass magazine piece on the porn industry.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend that.

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Speaker 1: I remember that too. Yeah that was good.

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Speaker 2: That was good. So we're learning people. Yeah. I Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I haven't read a say. I had to

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Speaker 1: Damn name as too many as too many names.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, my life's in shambles. Yeah, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 6: I feel I've never seen more positive affirmations or motivational

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Speaker 5: I mean from a point of view of capitalist branding.

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Speaker 6: You walk into i don't know, a Starbucks or whatever,

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Speaker 6: there's the positive messages everywhere, and I believe positivity has

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Speaker 5: It's like mind control.

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Speaker 6: So I think there's a lot of like gratitude. We

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Speaker 6: all have to be more gratitude. By the way, gratitude journaling,

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Speaker 6: I don't think. I don't know if you guys do it.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever gratitude journal No.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not grateful for fucking anything, So I

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Speaker 2: don't thank you. Point I would, but my life fucking suck.

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Speaker 2: I have nothing to be grateful for.

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Speaker 6: think it's all. I think none of it is real.

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Speaker 5: Overrated I think none of it is real.

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Speaker 1: I have personally, like I feel like I can it's

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Speaker 1: Like it's better for me to just be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's like hear what they're interested in, what they're

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Speaker 1: what's going on with them, and like that, thinking about

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Speaker 1: things like in a grateful gratitude and old that's not

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Speaker 1: a word. I like it. I like it can sometimes

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Speaker 1: help me do that. But there is definitely like we

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Speaker 1: have a shampoo in air shower that says there the

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Speaker 1: greatest study. It says, release that which no longer serves

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Speaker 1: you right on the fucking shampoo on the shampoop.

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Speaker 2: That's like all it says. It doesn't really like I

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Speaker 2: don't even know if it's shampoo. It's just the you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's just like such a bottle.

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Speaker 1: It's such a bummer like that, like all these ideas,

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Speaker 1: like any good idea just gets fucking taken and stamped

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Speaker 1: chemicals in a bottle.

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Speaker 5: It's just chemicals in a bottle that.

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Speaker 6: If you like the gross that's gut.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I love.

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Speaker 1: These head chemicals tell me to release that which no

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Speaker 1: longer serves me.

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Speaker 6: And I gotta tell you, as a woman, this stuff

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Speaker 6: is like shoveled at you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, It's like it feels like kind of like

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Speaker 2: the Fall of Rome. It's like bread and circuses and affirmations. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the bread and the circuses aren't working. We need another

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Speaker 2: thing to kind of get them to focus on, not

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Speaker 2: the fucking fall right now.

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Speaker 6: I am with you, Yeah, I am totally with you.

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Speaker 6: I'm like shiny, shiny everybody, happy, happy, big smiles, big

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where we're all realizing it's book,

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Speaker 7: A reaction to those things. So I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Fucking a middle finger at the African it's the album cover,

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Speaker 2: middle Finger Starbucks, Shut the fuck up Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will say, it sounds like both of

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Speaker 1: no longer, sir, know we.

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Speaker 5: Have not clearly haven't had my coffee.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Okay, let's go to something a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is something that is underrated?

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Speaker 8: Okay, something that I think is underrated is listening to

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Speaker 8: And like to the point.

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Speaker 9: Turns out it was like the exact opposite, and he

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Speaker 8: Which interesting that you created a romantic king. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean exactly this other thing.

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Speaker 8: I mean I love a black Ludwig.

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Speaker 2: Is that like good? For just in general? It just

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Speaker 8: I think it has that vibe.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is too.

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Speaker 8: It's the absence of lyrics I think help you focus too,

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Speaker 1: Also got you what other classics are you spinning someone?

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Speaker 8: If you're picking a workout playlist, who also show it.

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Speaker 2: Up classical workout?

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Speaker 9: I really like a Tchaikovsky, Yeah you like so you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Divorces New World Symphony, You're like, okay, there bangers?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know some Vivaldi.

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Speaker 8: I might recommend Maurice Ravel's Bolero is a good warm

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Speaker 2: It's my classical music nerds out here. I used to

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Speaker 2: was all about the classical music back in the day. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but you said lyrics distract you, so who is an

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Speaker 8: That's a great question. Okay, okay, I'll just reveal it.

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Speaker 9: I'm just gonna say so, I've gotten really to also

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Speaker 9: the Venga Boys. Yeah, I'm back to that like nineties

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Speaker 8: Electro whatever.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's so hard not to sing along and be

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, class Okay, so wait we're like vengel I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm avengl I'm a Venga head.

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Speaker 8: Yeah okay, good, I'm in with my Kindred Spirits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Where are they from? Like they were

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Speaker 2: like from all over, weren't they? Are they really Dutch

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Speaker 7: Euro dance group Like yeah, okay, they're Dutch.

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Speaker 5: Also Deepen and Dennis vander Dreichen, they're very touch all right.

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Speaker 9: I did live in Holland for a little bit, and

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's how I though offer this one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break and just figure out

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Speaker 2: what's going out with Joe going on with Joe Brandon's

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Speaker 1: And we're back. We are, And this story has been

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Speaker 2: now like he's taken upon himself to represent all the

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Speaker 2: let me get this. He basically said, here, I will

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I stopped listening when he turned into

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Speaker 2: at this notion where they're like, hey, would you vote?

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Speaker 2: on Fox. So he would need the votes. We will

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Speaker 2: see what happens. But like when you look at quotes

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Speaker 2: We should not enable aid or a bet his continuation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it does sound like this was like

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Speaker 5: It's all twelve year old.

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Speaker 8: Bring it on.

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Speaker 6: Just did it, like they're having little back and forths

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Speaker 2: This went on. Yeah, just did it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really like it's already been just did it. It's

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Speaker 2: It didn't go for that. I'm of a retweet that

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Speaker 1: Happened and he didn't get the he he does not

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Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean not having the votes beautiful

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Speaker 10: back to my sweet spot. Yes, oh yeah see eyes

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Speaker 10: of right now. They tried it, but yeah, just by

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Speaker 1: Oh so he's still in. But he also the it

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Speaker 2: Vote, no, no, got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, but just the notification well yeah, recording the

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, just.

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Speaker 5: Trying to figure out how to best represent the American people,

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Speaker 5: That's right. That's always trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, it's all trying to do.

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00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 5: That's all I'm trying to do.

438
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: Didn't know that was a crime. Didn't know crime?

439
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of didn't know that was a crime. That's

440
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: what Amy Coney Barrett's going to be saying, because the

441
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: FBI is apparently interviewing several individuals alleging that they were

442
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: abused by members of the People of Praise, the Christian

443
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: cult that Amy Coney Barrett belongs to. That got a

444
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of attention in the run up to her confirmation. Yeah,

445
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: and not mentioned once.

446
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got attention from the activists and other people

447
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: who were just so shook to their core that a

448
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: creature like this would ascend to the Supreme Court. But yeah,

449
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: and the hearing people were like, and you're a family woman, right,

450
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: It's like, oh boy, we need not our grandparents to

451
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: be in those confirmation hearings.

452
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: So apparently the group encourages members to speak in tongues,

453
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: make prophecies about the future and expel gay people. So

454
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: apparently that group not totally on the level, which I

455
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: think we all find shocking.

456
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like the gay people are getting

457
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 6: the best deal of all.

458
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not allowed Like cool, oh.

459
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 9: He that?

460
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're like, oh no, way, okay.

461
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 5: This is terrible news.

462
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: But private schools closely affiliated with the group have admissions

463
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: policies that in effect ban the children of gay parents

464
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: from attending.

465
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 5: Very frightening and what right, wow.

466
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: But the thing is, though, like, it's not we're not

467
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: sure if it's active, right, because the one thing we

468
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: know is like it was I think the Guardian confirmed

469
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: that like five people were interviewed, were so, but we're

470
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: still not sure if they're like is this going somewhere

471
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: or is it one of those things like yeah, we'll

472
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: look into it and then do nothing. Yeah.

473
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tend to they have the ability to just

474
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: ignore the ship out of some pretty well.

475
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: Right.

476
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're like, yeah, we interviewed people, but we

477
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: didn't really follow up.

478
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: Like, so they've been contacted by this group people of

479
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: what's it called po People of Praise, People.

480
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: Of Praise, People of Praise.

481
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, people of Praise. There's also the group People of

482
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Praise Survivors. That sounds like a first draft. Don't you

483
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: think that's a first draft of a name for a cult?

484
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

485
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: Man, I bet it was the result of the longest,

486
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: most boring meeting of all time when I came up

487
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: with that.

488
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

489
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this group People Praise Survivors are a

490
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: group that's like designed to call attention to the claims

491
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: of sexual abuse survivors, and members have been in touch

492
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: with FBI have been apparently confused that the FBI hadn't

493
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: reached out sooner following press reports about alleged abuse, which, yeah,

494
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: it's just all further illustrates how strange it is that

495
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: her membership in People of Praise never came up in

496
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: a Senate hearing to confirm her as an appeals court judge.

497
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like, on one side, Republicans, there's no

498
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: way they would bring it up because it's like get

499
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: her in there right the scales of the of the court.

500
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: And then I'm sure Democrats it's like an optics thing

501
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: where it's like they don't want to like because this

502
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: is how they're probably thinking about it. If I question

503
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: People of Praise I'm going to open myself up to

504
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: being painted as an anti Christian like atheist person, and

505
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: I just don't have the spine for that. I'm also

506
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: lower than snake nipples, it turns out, so I just

507
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: don't touch it.

508
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 6: I just want Yeah, I tried to get into People

509
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 6: of Praise and they rejected me so.

510
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I don't want to mess up my chance

511
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: in the future by casting aspersions on them publicly.

512
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: That's right, They're just jealous.

513
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: All right.

514
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: I want to offer an official overrated from from me. Oh,

515
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I know we usually save those for Monday, but yeah,

516
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Roman Concrete, there's a new AP story about how they're

517
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the secret to Roman concrete and

518
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: they just made a breakthrough earlier this year in a

519
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: study where they found out that it is self healing,

520
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: that it's able to heal its own cracks.

521
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: That story.

522
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: We've like covered that story multiple times like over the

523
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: past five years, like it keeps coming up.

524
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

525
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: The last time was the beginning of this year, okay,

526
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: where they're like they've cracked the code, and when I

527
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: was like, this is like nine months old. The story. Yeah,

528
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: at the very least because for people don't know, we're not.

529
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: Roman concrete isn't like a new street drug. We're talking

530
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: about the concrete that the Romans used, Yeah, that they

531
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: were using because everyone's like, look, thousands of years it's

532
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 2: still standing. They must have a secret to their superior concrete.

533
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like just yesterday there was a new ap

534
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: story being like another breakthrough, and it's the same shit

535
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: that we've seen before that like nothing has changed about

536
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the story. The acknowledging the story also some things that

537
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: we didn't have before, like that it couldn't hold over

538
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: three stories like it if you tried to build a

539
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: building out of Roman concrete today, it would crumble.

540
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: Noah, it sounds like all the buildings in New York, right,

541
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: the Roman concrete.

542
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

543
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: But so part of the reason it survived as long

544
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: as it did is because Rome was basically abandoned for

545
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: like it went from the center of the world to

546
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: like thirty thousand people and like livestock just roaming the streets.

547
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: It just immediately like there's the fall of Rome, and

548
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: then nobody wanted to live there anymore. So nobody was

549
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: building new buildings, like nobody was trying to knock down

550
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: the old buildings to build the new buildings. So like

551
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: in the article or in an article I read, they

552
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: compare it to London, which, like all the old buildings

553
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: in London for the most part got knocked down like

554
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: because they were building new buildings. But like Rome, nobody

555
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: was fucking So that's why we have the ruins.

556
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to go to like Bath

557
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: to see like Roman relics anywhere like in it, or

558
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: at least that's the closest thing I've heard of.

559
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 5: The crackout Poland that wasn't it has the super old

560
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: you know, buildings and architecture purely because it wasn't bombed

561
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: to shit, right y.

562
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, And so it's.

563
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 6: Like, oh, it's like, well, actually it's just it wasn't destroyed. Yeah,

564
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 6: not that it made it, it wasn't destroyed.

565
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: Just nobody was really fucking with Rome like that.

566
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 5: But the one thing I love about the Roman cement

567
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: Roman concrete, I'm sorry, cement is the street drug that

568
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: is the that is wild.

569
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 8: It's amazing.

570
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: It will optimize your workflow. Actually, it makes you so

571
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: effective at spreadsheets.

572
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 6: HR meetings with that. Let me tell you, they just

573
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 6: fly by. Is that so it was like, right, they

574
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 6: have these limestone chunks in it. Is that it and

575
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 6: that's why it's self healing. There's like chunks in it.

576
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 6: And that's one of the theories.

577
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 5: That's one of the theories.

578
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 6: But I just love it when people look at the

579
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 6: way things were constructed in the past and they just go, oh,

580
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 6: you know, like in this case, they're like it's all

581
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 6: lumpy because they were dumb and they just didn't stir well, right, Like, yeah, no, no,

582
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: that's that's They weren't just bad stirs in the past,

583
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: and it just evolved to be better at stirring.

584
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's my take. I mean, that's that was

585
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: our secret.

586
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: But so the API article points out that like a

587
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: lot of their cement mixtures are different, Like you check

588
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: one sample and a different one and like they're like,

589
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: it's weird. They put like a bunch of beer in

590
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: this one, and then this one has like a lot

591
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: of piss in it, and we're not sure why. It's

592
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: basically like the experts in this article are like, yeah,

593
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: they didn't. They were just like trying different shit, like

594
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: seeing what worked, and obviously the buildings that worked are

595
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the ones that lasted and everything else crumbles, and we're

596
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: giving them credit for like being masters of concret But

597
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: they were just like trying a bunch of different shit

598
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: out seeing what stuck. The stuff that stuck was able

599
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: to last because nobody was trying to like knock it

600
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: down to build a highway to help with you know.

601
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: Luxury housing. There was no luxury housing going up. I

602
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 6: would put the beer one neck near the piss one.

603
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: I'm sure those two different mixtures were happening. Pretty sure

604
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 6: it was across the street, across the street. But yeah,

605
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 6: I guess what.

606
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: One of the things that doesn't get brought up a

607
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: lot is like you can find examples of this where

608
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: architecture has lasted for a long time, but it's in India,

609
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: and you know, India doesn't the colonial brain doesn't like

610
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: to think about India having figured stuff out. They like

611
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: to think about Rome, right, men are supposed to think

612
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: about Rome every day? Is that? Is that what we're

613
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: being told with Ruse?

614
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 6: The Romans didn't have any any slaves working on those things.

615
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 6: It was all people that were pretty they.

616
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: Were seeing good jobs.

617
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, volunteered happily.

618
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they just believed in the project. You know,

619
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: it's a shame we don't have that kind of work ethic.

620
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: Now you believe in something I know.

621
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: So like just a quote from the article describing the

622
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: two processes Cecilia Pesche Materials Scientists at the University of

623
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Sheffield in England said they'd toss just about anything into

624
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: their mixes, talking about Roman architects as long as it

625
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: was cheap and available, and the ones that didn't work

626
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: out have long since collapsed. But some materials seemed to

627
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: show more intention, like in India, where builders crafted blends

628
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: of local materials to produce different properties. According to like

629
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: a civil engineer at the the Lore Institute of Technology,

630
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: in human areas of in India, builders use local herbs

631
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: that help structures deal with moisture. Along the coast, they

632
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: added jaggery, an unrefined sugar which can help protect from

633
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: salt damage, and in areas with higher earthquake risks, they

634
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: used super light floating bricks made with rice husks. They

635
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: know the region, they know the soil condition, they know

636
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the climate, so they engineer a material according to.

637
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: This, Yeah, but how much piss is in it? Though?

638
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 5: Exactly how much vodka?

639
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 11: Yeah, just dumping it in I should put in that one.

640
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 11: I'm drunk man of no idea. How did we lose

641
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 11: the recipe for Roman concret because you gave it to Darryl.

642
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: You gave it to Darryl. Daryl did not pass it.

643
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

644
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: It's it's kind of funny that this nothing was passed

645
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: along stories. Tons of folks tales, we have mythology, but

646
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 6: not one. No one decided to write down how you

647
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: were making your cement.

648
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: Not a person, Yeah, just pee, just some pee man,

649
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: you know what it is?

650
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no limestone or volcanics. And I don't know.

651
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: I think it's just just piss. I think it's my

652
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: magic piss.

653
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Is that anything?

654
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 6: The one man who piss into all of us structures?

655
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: Could you imagine? Like if that really really Someone's like

656
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: it's yeah, I think it's the piss dude.

657
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: Right, But then they're too embarrassed to pass it down.

658
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. The generation wasn't writing that one down.

659
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: Huh yeah, wait till they find out it wasn't. It wasn't.

660
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 6: Uh, it wasn't you know, the leader, and it wasn't

661
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 6: the strongest man.

662
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: It was the librarian.

663
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we.

664
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 6: Would get Mabel out here, should be I don't know

665
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 6: something about it.

666
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: It's a lot of cats, might be I don't know.

667
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 5: Is that the t she likes tea?

668
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

669
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: Anyways, apparently we're supposed to be thinking of Roman the

670
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Roman Empire every day, and I just this is my

671
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: excuse for why I don't think about the Roman Empire

672
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: every day.

673
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: I just think it's just never occurred to me to

674
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: think about the Roman Empire. And like when I first

675
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: saw that thing, like the TikTok trend of like dude,

676
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: dudes be thinking about Rome, I'm like, maybe is it

677
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: is that. I don't know, how who is the white

678
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: guys that are thinking about Rome?

679
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 5: I don't know.

680
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 6: I guess just a good model of something else that

681
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 6: has fallen.

682
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do think, like, you know, there

683
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: it's an ancient culture that is also you know, a

684
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: like full of self devouring cannibals of consumption like we are,

685
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: and exactly.

686
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, towards the end of Rome, they had an insatiable

687
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: urge for micro militarism to go outside their borders and

688
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: just deplete their resources. I don't know, it doesn't sound

689
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: like the US at all anyway. Anything. Anyway, guys, release

690
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: all that to you, which is no longer useful. Thank you,

691
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: and also watch season three of Love Is Blind and

692
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: enjoy National Taco Days.

693
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 5: Do you like your hair shiny?

694
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Chemicals?

695
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we will

696
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: come back and talk about our Roman concrete, the Las

697
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: Vegas sphere, the monument to I think this is the monument,

698
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: like the ultimate, the furtheringest of capitalism.

699
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: That we've gotten. This is the peak, and.

700
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a good thing. We'll be right back,

701
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: and we're back, and just to kind of summarize what

702
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: we were talking about before, like this, because I did

703
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: find the book ultimately hopeful, because like it really clarified

704
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: this idea that I think we all assume that there's

705
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: something happening with resources and the earth that is inevitably

706
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: leading toward a climate apocalypse. And you talk about how

707
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: that assumption is purely based on like their mindset of

708
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: like this extractive kind of their addiction to ten x

709
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: growth is really what's driving this inevitable move towards a

710
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: unsustainable world and climate. And like if you, if people

711
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: are able, if like the zeitgeist is able to switch

712
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: over to this more these more circular economic models. We

713
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: have enough water, we have enough resources. That's what we've

714
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: found over the past Decadeyeah, you know, but it's hard,

715
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I get that it's hard, you know.

716
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: And I talk to you know, middle class people and

717
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, I'll do the kind of things you're saying.

718
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: Once I've got like a million dollars in my four

719
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: oh one k plan, right then I'll stop. Or just

720
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: I just need to work two more years at this

721
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 3: bad job that I know is just drawing the planet

722
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: and then I can stop. And when I listen to them,

723
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: they sound like addicts, you know, where it's like, dude, hold,

724
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: I just got to drink until this project is done,

725
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: just until this, just until the next thing. And there

726
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: is no it actually it's it's now, it really is now.

727
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: There is there is no next first, there's no next

728
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: big thing that's gonna save us. I was talking to

729
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 3: a billionaire who says, Oh, I've got this carbon capture device.

730
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna put it right on the back of the

731
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: car and right on the back of the truck and

732
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: it's gonna suck the carbon out so we don't even

733
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: have to go to EV's Like, oh, good, the fuck

734
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 3: luck with that, you know, or oh, a eco city thing.

735
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: It's like a pill and you drop it into the

736
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: water and the city is going to grow out of it.

737
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: That's you know, magical, crypto perfect city for children and

738
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: regenerative agriculture, and there's a stack for this and a

739
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: stack there's no thing. But it's hard to tell people

740
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: like right now, how do they start?

741
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: You know?

742
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: And that for me, if we talk about it and

743
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: and I've given up with this, if we talk about

744
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: it as oh, a new economic system or a thing,

745
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: then they're like, oh, no, it's a socialist or something.

746
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, you know. And if we could sort

747
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: of take the ism off socialism and just make it

748
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: like social yeah, social like and it's interesting, you end

749
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: up in the same place, but you win the argument.

750
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: So I do that thing about, you know, instead of

751
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: buying a drill from home minimum viable product drill from

752
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: home depot and making all this waste and using it once,

753
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: go to Bob's house, knock on Bob's door and say, Bob,

754
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 3: can I borrow your drill? Right? And Bob is gonna

755
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: bring a big, thick matterfucking drill plugs in the wall.

756
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: The way God intended. And he's gonna come over and say, Doug,

757
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: you're a fucking nerd. You don't know where to you

758
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: don't know where to find a stud. I'm coming over

759
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: and drill in the hole for you. Right, He's gonna

760
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: make the hole. It's gonna be great. But then like

761
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: three days later, that weekend, I'm supposed to have a

762
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: barbecue at my house. Bob's gonna smell the barbecue, and

763
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Bob's gonna think, wait a minute. I went over and

764
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: helped Doug drill a hole in the wall, and he

765
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: didn't invite me over to the barbecue. So now I'm

766
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: gonna have to invite Bob over. All right, So I

767
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: invite Bob to the barbecue. That's fine, and Bob turns

768
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: I know. It turns out he's nice, and his wife's

769
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: kind of nice, and his kids are cool, and they're like,

770
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: all right, well that's so bad. But now the other

771
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: neighbors smell the barbecue, and they're like, wait a minute,

772
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: why is Doug inviting Bob to the barbecue, not us.

773
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: Before long, we're gonna have a block party and everybody's

774
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: gonna be having fun at this barbecue, right, that's the nightmare, right,

775
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: that's the downside the brand thing. It's like, But now

776
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: that we're all together and talking, how did we meet? Well,

777
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, I borrowed Bob's drill. Now people on the

778
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: block say, you know, I wonder I was gonna need

779
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: a new lawnmower. But instead of me buying a new lawnmower,

780
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: what if we just like use two or three lawnmowers

781
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: for the whole block and we just share the ones

782
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: we have because I don't use it more than a

783
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: couple hours a week. So now we're buying less lawnmowers,

784
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: buying less drills, and we have more money to start

785
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: doing stuff. I'm teaching Bob's kid algebra because I'm paying

786
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: him back for the favor that he gave me, and

787
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: it's all working out. Someone invariably gets up when I

788
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: do that in the talk and says, well, yeah, but

789
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: what about the drill company.

790
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, bad for sales.

791
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: What about right, and the person who was the job

792
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: at the drill company and the old lady? Someone said,

793
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: what about the old lady who has a pension fund

794
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: that's dependent on the stock and the drill company for

795
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: her to uh for her to survive. It's like, well,

796
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: luckily we're going to be taking care of that old

797
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: lady because now we have a neighborhood, and hopefully we're

798
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: gonna wind this down. That's why we're not doing it

799
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: in revolution. I'm not saying everybody today stop buying drills, right,

800
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: it's not gonna work like that. But slowly and surely,

801
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: as we replace some of that activity, the power of

802
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: these giant mega corporations kind of diminishes. This huge, you know,

803
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: ridiculous global supply chains end up kind of shrinking down,

804
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: and and we we slowly kind of turn the corner

805
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: towards something more social, more circular, more on the ground.

806
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: We we take some of the weight of government and

807
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: social service programs to take care of us. We we

808
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: take some of the weight off the climate, off the economy,

809
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: and all that stuff all at the same time. The

810
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: that's what I meant by you know, I have more

811
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: hope in people that people could kind of flip and go,

812
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: oh this is fun. Right, Yeah, I'm okay with this.

813
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: What if life was actually fun? Like that's yeah, kind

814
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: of a crazy idea. But how many drills do I have?

815
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: But I need drills? Drills there's this David Wayne movie

816
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: The Ten where like he and his neighbor or two characters,

817
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: like two neighbors get in a cat scan buying frenzy

818
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: where they just like they get competitive about buying cat scans. Anyways,

819
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, but yeah, you like, just

820
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: to the point of the socializing you reference a couple

821
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: times in the book, like these powerful, unconscious connective forces

822
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: that are happening at the level of like mirror neurons, right,

823
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: and you also mentioned that like the powerful, the more

824
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: powerful people get, the less likely they are to have

825
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: this exchange to engage in the mirroring of others. So

826
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: it almost feels like that we're being delivered from this

827
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: very powerful, you know, way that we become part of

828
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: a network connected to other people, made up of other

829
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: people that's very natural, very human, like how humanity got

830
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: this far. We're being delivered from that by these powerful

831
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: people who are like mapping onto us. They're weird thing

832
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: that is like that doesn't value that, that doesn't see

833
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: the intrinsic value of that, and it's making us miserable,

834
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah.

835
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way like a Marshall McClue in

836
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: or somebody immedia theorist would look at it is what

837
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: you're talking about are the values of the television age. Right,

838
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: We got television, and we use television to paint pictures

839
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: of the world that made us feel inadequate about where

840
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 3: we are that we need to get that other thing.

841
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 9: Right.

842
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: The television is sort of what put us in competition

843
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: with each other and kind of desocialized us because the less,

844
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: you know, the less satisfied people were, the more likely

845
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: they were to go buy stuff. So television was this

846
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: really terrific influencing machine and it's supported markets and companies

847
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: and consumption and all that. And now we've moved into

848
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: a digital age and we're kind of using that same

849
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: industrial age television era. Oh, let's use it to influence

850
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: people and get them to buy more stuff and all that.

851
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, maybe that's not the digital thing.

852
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not sustainable. It's too when a digital

853
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: algorithm can can reconfigure itself in real time to influence

854
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: your behavior, it's like, this isn't gonna work anymore. This

855
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: isn't just gonna get people to buy forward cars, right,

856
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: because people don't even have jobs at Ford where they

857
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: can afford a Ford car. It's like this is this

858
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: is flipped in a different place. So I think we

859
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: have to stop kind of using media to get people

860
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: to do stuff and start looking at using media and

861
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: technology to provide people, you know, some of what some

862
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: of what they need, which is it's a it's a

863
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: big it's a it's a big mind shift. But you know,

864
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, This is like a very

865
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: different media environment that this stuff works differently than industrial

866
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: age stuff. We're not just coaxing people. It's as if

867
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: television was more like social media, which is more like

868
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: say the missionaries, they go to a population and they

869
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 3: propagandize them, They get them to worship the new God,

870
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: and they do a lot of intelligence on them, and

871
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 3: then the missionaries send the intelligence back to the crown.

872
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 3: And who comes next The conquistadors, right right, They know

873
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: how the beta population works, they've got the intempts. They

874
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: go in and they get them. That's kind of what

875
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: the AIS and the digital things are. They're the conquistador

876
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: is not just coming to influence us, but coming to

877
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: annihilate and replace us. And that's wait a minute, that's

878
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: not that's not going to work. So that's why we

879
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 3: have to flip the script and say, well, what you

880
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: how can they how can they serve us instead? And

881
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: this technology could you know? I once you start saying

882
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: wait a minute, once you get out of the framework

883
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 3: of how do we retrain people for better jobs once

884
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: the ais come, and start thinking instead, how do we

885
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: retrain people for lives of meaning and pleasure and leisure?

886
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: And it's like, ooh, that would be that'd be kind

887
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: of fun.

888
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Right, because I feel like so much talk even like

889
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: with like universal basic income, it's always just like offset

890
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: the damage that tech innovation is gonna do. It's not

891
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: because humans like we just because we're so productive, we

892
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: should begin shifting to something that resembles more like leisure

893
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: time or family, like, right, the ability to just commune

894
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: with nature because you want to. It's always like, well, yeah, man,

895
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: when this tech comes online, everybody's fucked. So the only

896
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: way we can keep them at bay is by giving

897
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: them like a pittance every fucking month. And that's universal

898
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: basic income. And it's always interesting to see, like in

899
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: your analysis, like a lot of these things that we

900
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: are we're getting preached to us by like these tech people.

901
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: It's always like it's never actually to solve anything. It's

902
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: it's a solution that is just it's it, but it's

903
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: a it's a new product packaged as a solution that

904
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 2: is never actually tended to address what's happening. So we're

905
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 2: in this snow, like this constant, like this never ending

906
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: thing that only leads to increased like to your point,

907
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: depleting our resources, you know, degrading the environment. Which for them,

908
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: it's like, well that's the end game is then it's

909
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: gonna all break because I'm too good at capitalism, and

910
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: then I got to shoot the pores.

911
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: I know. It's like for programmers who are so big

912
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: on disrupting systems, you think they would consider disrupting corporate capitalism,

913
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 3: they would consider something other than running to Morgan Stanley

914
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 3: with every new invention they have, But they're ultimately so reactionary.

915
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: They're so conservative, they don't challenge the underlying assumptions that

916
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 3: their companies are based on. I'm going to go disrupt

917
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: the taxi market. I'm going to disrupt the book market.

918
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: But what about disrupting the market market asrupting that with abundance?

919
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 3: You know, it's like this is this is so much

920
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: easier than then writing another clue to make this current system,

921
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: you know, churn another ten years while you look for

922
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: a way out. And and the other side, you know,

923
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: like the Koch brother side of this thing. You know,

924
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: those guys are the big climate deniers. You go to

925
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: an actual Cooke Brothers conference. They all believe in climate change.

926
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: They've got all this stuff on what's going to happen

927
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: and the methane gas and the this and the that.

928
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: But their objective is, don't let us be the only

929
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: ones who know what's happening so we can prepare for it,

930
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: while the rest of society is is is told that

931
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 3: this is a myth.

932
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the very like elitist thinking that's happening.

933
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: That's like it's really cynical, Yeah, yeah, of the mind.

934
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: And the more that that happens, and the more paranoid

935
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: people get, then they get into QAnon and five g

936
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: Towers and the Great Reset and that COVID was here

937
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: to reduce the population of the world. And you know,

938
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: because I get it, it's comforting to believe there's like

939
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: an Avengers style Doctor Evil super villain, George Sorow's Jew

940
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: you know, who's who's controlling the world with is you know,

941
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: from the Italian embassy with space lasers or something. But

942
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: it's like, I know, however comforting that is. It's time

943
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: to grow up and say, no, no, we are we

944
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: are in charge here, We're actually this is much simpler.

945
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: This is much simpler than it looks. The only time

946
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: we really get into problems is when we're trying to

947
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: operate at scale, you know, like Zuck or Musk or whoever.

948
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: If you want to operate locally, like ninety nine point

949
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: nine percent of us can operate locally, and we could,

950
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 3: let's just dedicate one million people to thinking at scale,

951
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, is that enough? We want ten million people

952
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 3: thinking at scale? It's like, let them go do that,

953
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: so we could just take care of each other.

954
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like funny too because like for for

955
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: all of like the ways I think we're just you know,

956
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: propagandaized into thinking, oh, you know, there is no solution,

957
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: Like the only solution is to just hit the fucking

958
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: pedal harder and go through this, rather than like slowing

959
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: down or looking at it. Like we have so many

960
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: examples even in our recent history that shows that, like

961
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: you know, like you bring up the Greenwood District in Oklahoma. Like,

962
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: black people were completely excluded from the mainstream American economy,

963
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: so they figured out how to do it on their

964
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: own outside of it. And it was something that was

965
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: cooperative and just like, well, if we only have us

966
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: to rely and then like, let's make this work. And

967
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: sure enough, it got to a point where it invited

968
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: all this resentment that we had that race massacre.

969
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: Right well, because the whites were confused. Wait a minute,

970
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: if these black people were cut off from the economy

971
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: and they're not allowed to participate, why are they doing

972
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: better than us?

973
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: Right?

974
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: Right? So they went in and killed them, right right,

975
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: But we got to look back at that and go, oh,

976
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: they were doing better then that The blacks are doing

977
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: better because being cut off forced them into local, circular

978
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: economic activity. They started relying on each other, and yes,

979
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: doing better. Now, do you need to be cut off? No,

980
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: there's a balance, right, you shouldn't have to be completely

981
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 3: cut off either. But boy, oh boy, when you see

982
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: a lesson like that, when you see the way American

983
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: farmers got out of the depression, you know, through stuff

984
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: that really look like communism and cooperative land ownership and

985
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: local currencies, you realize what we need is a more

986
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: balanced set of economic instruments, you know, different ways of

987
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: operating where we're doing favors for each other. Doesn't look

988
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: like wrong on some level. You know, people these days,

989
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: can we want to do a clean transaction. We'd rather

990
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: have someone we don't know come in and clean our

991
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: house for money than the neighbors kids are trying to

992
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, right, do something.

993
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I mean the dumbwaiter effect, which you've already

994
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: made reference to, like the invention of the dumb waiter

995
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: by Thomas Jefferson, which in you know, elementary school history

996
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: classes is claimed to be. Oh, he wanted to save

997
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: the quote unquote servants at his house from having to

998
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: walk up and down the stairs with heavy plates, and

999
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: it's actually no. He wanted to hide the fact that

1000
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: he had and cost slaves behind the you know, hide

1001
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: it from people on a lower floor. There's this anecdote

1002
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: in the book that really drives home like what we're

1003
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: up against, where so it's the people assembling our iPhones

1004
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: for Apple are made to use this toxic fingerprint cleaning

1005
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: solution to make the new product, to just make sure

1006
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no smudges on an iPhone when you open

1007
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: it in the box. When it comes out of the box,

1008
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: it is toxic. It poisons them, but.

1009
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 3: You get premature babies come out of them and stuff.

1010
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 3: I mean, it's really bad but completely like but.

1011
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: It's such a good example also of the genius of

1012
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: capitalism as this like singularity, like you're rasing even the

1013
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: subliminal clues of the exploitation behind our most beloved products,

1014
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: so it doesn't even like enter into our minds like

1015
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: they're they're doing this like five levels deep thinking because

1016
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: and it's like you know, the people like these Harvard

1017
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: educated people are like going to work for Apple and

1018
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: coming up with that innovation of like we have well,

1019
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: like what we found is that if they see the smudges,

1020
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: then like they start to become like get a vague

1021
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: sense of unease with the world. So it has to

1022
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: look like this perfect gleaming cube that that was just

1023
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: like delivered down from on high and like with Amazon

1024
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: does it less artfully but like more blatantly. It is

1025
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: their entire business model to remove the workers at the

1026
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: store from our lives by replacing them with packages that

1027
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: just show up and you know, I mean, and they're

1028
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: not high, Like they have a company called the Mechanical

1029
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: Turk named for like that that's a historical event where

1030
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: like a robots beat everyone at chess, but was really

1031
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: just a chess master in a like suit that was

1032
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: made to look like a robot. So like it's we're

1033
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: up against a lot of very complex things that like

1034
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: knows exactly what it's doing, that is really going out

1035
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: of its way to try to deliver you from having

1036
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: the thoughts that you're talking about of like maybe I

1037
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: should like hang out with people in my neighborhood, Like maybe,

1038
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe this isn't as simple as I

1039
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Maybe the thrill that I get from

1040
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: opening this box and having an iPhone there that looks

1041
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: like the object from two thousand and one, you know,

1042
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: like that that isn't a thrill that I should be pursuing,

1043
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: but that they're They're working hard, but it does feel

1044
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: like we're getting further and further away from like just

1045
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: fully being absorbed by their bullshit. But I don't have

1046
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: a ton of evidence for that.

1047
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's why I try to write a

1048
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: book about them that makes us laugh at them, so

1049
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: you can see, Okay, if these are little nerd people

1050
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: who are scared of human beings. Then that's why they

1051
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: project onto us the fear of a fingerprint, the fear

1052
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: of knowing, you know, the fear of the people and

1053
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: the dirt and the women and the nature and the

1054
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's like, I get it, you know,

1055
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: And there there are there are pills that can help

1056
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: us emotionally survive in a world where we don't have

1057
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 3: that human contact certain whatever SSRIs and antidepressants and all that.

1058
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: But there's also ones that are sort of encouraging complexity.

1059
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 3: There's all the new people out microdosing and trying mushroom

1060
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 3: therapy and doing other things. Although I'm still confused that

1061
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: you could take a fucking tech bro, send them down

1062
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: to South America and have them to do a bunch

1063
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: of ayahuasca and you would think it would bring their

1064
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: great reckoning and they'd go, oh, you know, I've got

1065
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: to reconnect with the world and the people and the thing.

1066
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 3: But it's like some where between their their ayahuasca trip

1067
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: and their their G five flight back to San Jose,

1068
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 3: they reverse engineer that the friggin' social network they've made

1069
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 3: is that solution.

1070
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: The product they're already working on, is actually the thing, right,

1071
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: if they can just find this one like tweak to

1072
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: the algorithm, that's actually what is going to right.

1073
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: But when their focus is on post humans rather than humans,

1074
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: which a lot of for a lot of them, it

1075
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: is right. You don't post humans don't have those fingerprints.

1076
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 3: Post humans don't have the the you know, the aborted fetuses.

1077
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: The post humans are are this sort of idealized idea

1078
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: of the human, the kind of the tech bro idea

1079
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: of human as information as perfectly auto tuned, soulless, you know, abstraction, right,

1080
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: which which I understand. I understand the yearning for that.

1081
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: You know, anybody who's fallen in love with an anime

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Speaker 3: character knows what that is. But it's a stage, right,

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Speaker 3: It's a stage of adolescents, not a fruitful place for

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Speaker 1: week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if

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Speaker 1: great weekend, and I will talk to you Monday. By