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Speaker 1: Renee. We have a topical political guest on the podcast

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Speaker 1: today where you're talking with Marta Kostyuk of the Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, marta great kid. Spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 2: to her, really a lot over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: her and her mom. Her mom's terrific as well, and

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Speaker 2: who's been her longtime coach for a long time, but

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Speaker 2: terrific kid rising up the rankings is really someone to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: I think she's going to be a very good player

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Speaker 3: for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Caitlin, she's been through a lot has

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Speaker 2: as has every Ukrainian player over the last couple of months.

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Speaker 2: But just to hear her stories in this and to

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Speaker 2: hear how she's been dealing with it's pretty pretty incredible.

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Speaker 2: There were times Caitlin where I had to really like

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Speaker 2: because I didn't want to upset her because she's having

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Speaker 2: to deal with so much for such a young such

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Speaker 2: a young kid, but dealing with so many things in

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Speaker 2: her life right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I mean one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I'm constantly reminded of and love about the sport

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Speaker 1: of tennis is that it takes us all over the world,

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Speaker 1: and that these conversations that we have with people are

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Speaker 1: you know, really really relevant. Like anybody who's tempted to

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Speaker 1: keep politics out of sports is either being purposefully naive

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Speaker 1: about how much politics are already in sports or has

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Speaker 1: it was a really really insightful conversation. Obviously, you guys

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Speaker 1: get into the conflict, you know, Putin's aggression into into

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Speaker 1: about how she's really been you know, grown up in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years and turned into a really,

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Speaker 3: It was really lovely to hear from her.

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Speaker 1: You guys had a long chat, which is why we're

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Speaker 1: going to keep this intro short, but yeah, keep them coming.

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Speaker 1: This was a great, thoughtful chat about it, very complex,

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Speaker 1: really excited to hear the whole thing. So I guess

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Speaker 1: we should just let let you get to it. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole hour with Mustard Cutia. Thanks again for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and thank you.

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Speaker 2: Renee Hey, You're welcome, and I hope everybody enjoys it

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Speaker 2: and gets behind all the Ukrainian plays going forward this year.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Caitlin. Today I want to welcome the ever awesome

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Speaker 2: Marta Kostchuk. He's now dressing her way up the rankings

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Speaker 2: in a way that I think is great. Keep your

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Speaker 2: I want to always I always ask my people that

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Speaker 2: I have on the podcast how they got into tennis.

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Speaker 2: I kind of have an idea why you got into tennis,

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Speaker 2: but let the people who don't know you've that well

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Speaker 3: Hi, everyone hire any very nice of uh you too

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Speaker 2: Very tanned, So you know you make a lot of

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Speaker 3: So I have two sisters, older, younger. Both of them

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Speaker 3: I don't like tennis. They were never into tennis. They

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Speaker 3: it's toff to explain. You know, I have my mom

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Speaker 2: Listen, your mom is a pretty Your mom was a

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Speaker 2: Well there you go. So you travel a lot with

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Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's that's like that's an extra

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, man, that's one of the most honest

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Speaker 3: Hmm, it's been so many years ago, not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: Nothing? Because that made me who I am today. If

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Speaker 3: And I don't remember me like rushing or something, but

436
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: you know, it was just the game played. So it

437
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 3: was just it just was not working perfectly that I

438
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: was like witting whatever. So that's why I was just

439
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: missing a lot. And I think that it looked like

440
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get out of the court. But obviously

441
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: it was extremely tough for me physically because of the

442
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: everything around.

443
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: And what I want people to know is that in

444
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: the last round of qualifying that year. I believe you

445
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: beat Barbara Kurdikova.

446
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I.

447
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: Mean that's crazy to think that, you know, just not

448
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: too many years later win a Grand Slam. Just just

449
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: thinking back on beating players like that and knowing that

450
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: they sort of were in a position that you are,

451
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: and also seeing what's happened in the last couple of

452
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: years and women's tennis with Emma Radakanu winning a Grand Slam,

453
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: and you know, there's lots of you know, Sophia Kennon

454
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: and all these players, like does that help someone like

455
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 2: you think, hey, why not me?

456
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: At times it helped, but then you're it can easily

457
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: turn into like putting pressure on yourself like when is

458
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: this gonna happen to me? Like why not this grand lamp? Why?

459
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: And then you lose another one like why not this one?

460
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: You know, So it's a very line of like looking

461
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: up to like looking up to it, or just putting

462
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: yourself down because you're not as good. So I'm trying

463
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 3: to find this balance, but you know, I'm always always

464
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: trying to stick to the thinking of everyone has their

465
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: own path and everyone has their own way, and if

466
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: you know that at this time, you're doing the best

467
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: you know and the best you can. You know, it

468
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: just happens how it happens. You know, you cannot control things.

469
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: So when you're at peace with yourself knowing like moving

470
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: forward that okay, this is okay, even if I didn't

471
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: play great match, but I know what I did wrong,

472
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: and I come back on court and I work on it.

473
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: Then I felt again, and I felt again. But you know,

474
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 3: then eventually something happens and you learn and you do

475
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: your best. Then I think it's I think it's the

476
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: most important part of the process and not the actual

477
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: like when of something, because everyone is capable of completely

478
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: different things. Like everyone like someone's physicality, you know, allows

479
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: them to play thirty tournaments a year. Someone physicality allows

480
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: them to play ten tournaments a year. And we all know,

481
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, who are the players who can play thirty

482
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: and who are the players who can play ten? And

483
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: some players are born that you know, they can win

484
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: ten Grand Slams, five Grand Slams. But someone's born that

485
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: they're just happy to be in the main row over

486
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: Grand Slam because they know their capacity and they know

487
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: they really they're reaching the maximum of their like potential,

488
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: And I think it's just important to know and always

489
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: believe that and to be like, to be honest with yourself,

490
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: you know, not like oh I'm doing my best, but

491
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: you know that, you know, you go to sleep always

492
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: like one am, you eskipe practices, you don't warm up,

493
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: you eat like cakes and desserts every day, which I do,

494
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: which I do sometimes deserts every day. But you know,

495
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: if you know that you're really like not doing things

496
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: that you know they are leading you or like that

497
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: are progress like making you progress, then you know you

498
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: cannot have this conversation with you like why am I

499
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: not twinning? And they do because obviously you're not doing

500
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: the right things. So I think the answer is pretty clear.

501
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: You just have to be honest with yourself.

502
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you what you just said. It

503
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: is going to help a lot of people out there

504
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: understand that they're on their own timeline. So that was

505
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: really well said. I'm glad that you said that.

506
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: But but don't forget this. Sometimes I also fail to understand.

507
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: It's just now I'm looking like I'm extremely you know,

508
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: calm and smart and like, oh I understand it so well,

509
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: But you know, ask my coaches and ask my mom

510
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: how I approach this advice myself.

511
00:29:53,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: You're a classic, You're so funny, m m M, so Martin.

512
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: I want to get into you know, you have spoken about,

513
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, working with a psychologist and how much that's

514
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: helped you, and throughout this last few months, I would

515
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: anticipate that having a psychologist and having the closeness of

516
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people around you has meant a lot

517
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: to you. Can you even remotely explain to us what

518
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: your life has been like over the last little period

519
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: of time.

520
00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: Pure roller coaster, but but scary one, you know, not

521
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: the fun one, because it can be very different. You know,

522
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: since I was not there when everything started, meaning in Ukraine,

523
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: when the war started. I I'm living through trauma, but

524
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: the one that I can't process into something because the

525
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: people who are there, who are volunteering, who are helping

526
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: in any way, who are there, who are you know,

527
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: fighting for their life or fighting for someone's life. You

528
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: know it's you. You get the trauma you are in

529
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: in this nightmare, but you're processing it, you are transferring

530
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: it into something else, which I don't have a possibility

531
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: to because I never got an actual like trauma of

532
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: hearing the explosions, of running away, of you know, trying

533
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: to save my life or or whatever. But yet I'm

534
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: living in the nightmare so without like actually like witnessing it.

535
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: You know, like I'm waking up every morning, peaceful life,

536
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: peaceful sky. I have no worries about water, the food,

537
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: the basic you know, human needs. And and yet you

538
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: know it's a nightmare constant that you're just you know,

539
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: I just I think after a couple of weeks, I

540
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: just basically got used to it. I just, you know,

541
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: unfortunately I rained we're.

542
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: Talking for my members, and I know your mom was

543
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: there at the beginning. Correct, Yes, my.

544
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: My whole family was there whenever I started accept me

545
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: and my older sister, and it was it was pretty scary.

546
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't again, extremely difficult to explain all

547
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: this is just just unexplainable. I would say, pure roller

548
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: coaster that you know. I eventually I came to the

549
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: point where, you know, before all these things happened, you

550
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: had your goals in life, you had some perspective, you

551
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: had some plans something, you know, you had something, and

552
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: then when all the madness started to happen, the killings,

553
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: the rapings that you know, the danger of your family

554
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: to to die. That just just the pure I don't know,

555
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. Everything stopped to matter everything,

556
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: And this is where the little prom began for me.

557
00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: Because I don't own something huge or expense or like

558
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: apartment house. I'm not directly responsible for someone. I don't

559
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: have kids, I don't have boyfriend, and you know, I

560
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 3: don't have husband that you know that. It's like I

561
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: don't have this like you know, Okay, I'm gonna put

562
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: myself together because I'm responsible for for whoever or for whatever.

563
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: And it made the process at some point extremely difficult

564
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: because it was just like why am I living? Like,

565
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: what's the what's the what's the purpose now? Playing tennis? Okay,

566
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna win something, title, Grand Slam, whatever, but what's

567
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: the point if all this is happening right now? And

568
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: it's just you don't even like like consciously understand of

569
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: like of the whole situation, like you're not aware of

570
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: it fully, but yet you don't understand what to do

571
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: with your life now because everything else just doesn't matter.

572
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: Did it feel like.

573
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: Did it feel like you like tennis and winning and

574
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: being happy and succeeding and having that. It just felt

575
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like, you know, when somebody dies,

576
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: you feel like you can't ever be happy again because

577
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: you feel like you're being You're not you're not appreciating

578
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: what's happening, you know, to somebody else and how sad

579
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: they are, and yet you're happy and you're safe and

580
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: you're all that sort of stuff. I mean, it's like

581
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: a I don't know, survivors remotes almost.

582
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: Did you feel like a guilt?

583
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

584
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: First week, Oh horrible because I have this like amazing

585
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm living in this amazing apartment in

586
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: Monaco that have an extremely beautiful view. Amazing, just wow.

587
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: And I was waking up in the morning and I

588
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: couldn't look outside. I just I was like, this is

589
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: so you know, this is just terrible. You know that

590
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: I'm here. I don't deserve it, Like why am I

591
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: here and everyone's there?

592
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

593
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: You know I have to be there? What should I do?

594
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: You know? So it was I was in this situation

595
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: for for a week. For a week, then you know

596
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: I had enough strength I would say to turn this

597
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: thinking into a different perspective, like, Okay, how can I help,

598
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: what should I do? I'm not in that situation. What

599
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: should I do now? But you know, I I tried

600
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: to find happiness for myself in small things because Ukrainian

601
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 3: people they are happy m hm, that you are safe. Yeah,

602
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: everyone who like everyone who went through that nightmare, people,

603
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: especially the people I spoke to, they were like, oh,

604
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: I'm just honestly so glad you are not here. Just

605
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: like extremely happy for you, you know, and they're like,

606
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: just enjoy your life, like you have the possibility, like

607
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: do whatever you want doing, like do whatever you feel

608
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: like doing, because they like, they just they just want

609
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: me to cherish every moment that I have, Just to

610
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: cherish my life a little bit more than I usually do.

611
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: And this is extremely strong. And all the Ukrainian people

612
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: who are you know, most of them, okay, I cannot

613
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: say all of them. Most of them have this way

614
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: of thinking, which is what I mean. It's it's pretty

615
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: impressive but also very helpful. As on the other side,

616
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: I have people who have nothing to do with this work,

617
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean, nothing to do with are not citizens of Russia, Ukraine, US, Okay,

618
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: so they're not like directly involved in the in the

619
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: horror and yet they tell me like, how can you

620
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: post the happy pictures when people are dying in your country?

621
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: Exactly this, And I'm like oh wow, oh wow, Like okay,

622
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: what should I do now? I don't know, should I

623
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: die as well? I don't know. So you know, I'm

624
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: like everyone or you know, so you know this obviously

625
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: these kind of comments. You know, most of people like

626
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: how do I say, like I cannot say famous people,

627
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: but people, athletes, whatever, people who are inside you know

628
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: of other people obviously get this kind of like stupid

629
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: comments that have no sense on different kinds of topics.

630
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: But you know, I get these comments, but never from

631
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: Ukrainian people. So it definitely helps me to go through

632
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 3: this like feeling of guilt in the best possible way

633
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: because I know this is what they would all want

634
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: to do, and this is what they are doing if

635
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: they can, so why why not me?

636
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: It's important? Yeah, you obviously know Dogopolov and Stahovski, you know,

637
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: former tennis players that you I'm sure would have looked

638
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: up to and throughout your young career. You know that

639
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: they're they're fighting, and I mean we see photos of

640
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: them and videos of them with their guns, and you know,

641
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: in terrible situations. I mean, is it just crazy to

642
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: you to think that you know, you're playing tennis and

643
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: they were formal tennis players, you know that they're there

644
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: right now? I mean, is that just wildly confusing for

645
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: you to even process?

646
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of things that I

647
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: just don't process. You know, if I'm Ukrainian, it doesn't

648
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: make me the person who like read every piece of

649
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 3: news and cries and gets terrified and everything, because I'm

650
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: not being traumatized, like directly, but yet I think all

651
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: these news and and my brain it just doesn't allow

652
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: the information to go through so because it's basically nothing

653
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: is going on, but yet I'm trying to traumatize myself,

654
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, so my brain is just protecting myself.

655
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: And you know, have you spoken to those guys? Have

656
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: you texted them?

657
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, we are. We're in touch, actually a lot

658
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: more than everyone might think, especially now when he is,

659
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: you know, safe, I mean not safe. There's a lot

660
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: of information I just cannot process. I just don't process,

661
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: not because I don't want to, but just because I cannot.

662
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: And this information includes these two players ex tennis players

663
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: being there fighting and holding the gun and you know,

664
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: praying every day to see another day, I don't know,

665
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: to see their family again, to whatever. And it's it's

666
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 3: obviously all of this is so terrifying, you know, it's

667
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: just impossible to imagine at times that I just I

668
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, it's it's so funny because it's

669
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: not it's so funny, but it is funny that you know,

670
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: I read the news. I read a huge amount of

671
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: news and articles, interviews, you know, so much information and

672
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: there is you know, one week it cannot get to

673
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: me nothing, and then suddenly I read like one one

674
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: sentence about whatever somewhere happened or someone said something in

675
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: this like way that like that touches me so deeply

676
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 3: and I can start crying. So it's just so it's

677
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: so random, like I don't pick on what I cry

678
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: and what I don't cry, what I get, what I

679
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: don't get, just extremely random, and it's completely out of

680
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 3: my go that you know, and the information about these players,

681
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, being in the army. It's just I yet

682
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: haven't processed it, have you?

683
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: And obviously your dad is still there? Correct? How is

684
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: that for you?

685
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean the part we're living in was pretty okay, yep,

686
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: like there were pieces of missile that hits the neighbor house,

687
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: neighbor in our neighbor's house. So I don't know, like

688
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: I just I'm trying to to think of it, but

689
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: I cannot. I cannot. Maybe at time, maybe if you

690
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: would ask me, if you maybe if you asked me

691
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: this like when everything started, like when we remember we

692
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: had a conversation with you need us about doing that podcast.

693
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: If you ask me these questions there, maybe you know

694
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: there is a good chance I would start crying or something.

695
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: But now.

696
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: The brain it just works on the completely new level

697
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: for me that I haven't even like experienced before that.

698
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: You asked me questions about how do you feel about

699
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: your dad? And I don't know what to answer because

700
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think nothing happens now, everything is fine,

701
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: So you know, it's just the raises from my brain.

702
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: I guess that's where Dad's come into play a little

703
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: bit when they I'm sure he's told you a thousand

704
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: times a week, everything's okay, don't worry about us, We're fine,

705
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: Everything's okay, right, I mean, that's the protecting us.

706
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: About this right A lot a lot of times.

707
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I just cannot even fathom to deal with Have

708
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: you other Ukrainian players on tour? How close have you

709
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: all become throughout this situation, you know, being competitors and

710
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's parts of certain people that you maybe

711
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: didn't see either eye with before or I don't know.

712
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never talked to you about how do

713
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: you feel about Serenco or it's Lena whatever, But like,

714
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: has this brought you guys to a place of being

715
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: closer than before, or what's your relationship like with all

716
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: the other Ukrainian players.

717
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: Obviously, situations like this once, uh are very like I

718
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: don't know, they're very They bring a lot of things up, Yeah,

719
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: everything that is inside of you, how you really are

720
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: because it's extremely stressful and stressful and difficult situation. You

721
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: know you you cannot like put hands on and pretend

722
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: like nothing is going on, okay, like especially Ukrainians. So

723
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: I have to tell that there are players I got

724
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: very col and there are players that I don't talk

725
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: to anymore, not because of their political position. Obviously not

726
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: everyone is I'm sure I swear everyone is obviously on

727
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: the same page. But just like human relationship, it broke apart,

728
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: like it broke apart a little bit, I don't know

729
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: how to say it. And I got extremely close with Elena,

730
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: and I was already close with Lesia to Renko, but

731
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: we got even closer now and this is like, let's

732
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: talk about good things only. So this, you know, these

733
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: these are two people that you know that I got

734
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: extremely close during the everything that was happening, because there's

735
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: a lot of decisions that has been made by I

736
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: have that there's a lot of decisions that have been

737
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: made by I asked they you know, they needed, you know,

738
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: they needed the decisions, needed us to be united, to

739
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: be on the same page, to look in the same direction.

740
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, by talking more, by sharing your feelings,

741
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: what you think and.

742
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: So on, you just just.

743
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Brings your relationship on new levels. So these are two

744
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: girls that I got very.

745
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: Close with, obviously, And you have been you and I

746
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: have talked, and you have been very open with saying

747
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: that recently that you feel you're sad, that you feel

748
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: like there are some Russian or Belarusian players or whoever,

749
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: and not to name names, but some that you feel

750
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: like they haven't come to you privately. What what do

751
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: you what what upset I mean, it's pretty obvious what

752
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: upsets you about it? But was that surprising to you?

753
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: And how hard was that for you because you guys

754
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: were friends.

755
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, none of them players came up

756
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: to us personally, especially not even like my message. I

757
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: don't know if it counts, but personally, no one came

758
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: to us. I mean, tennis a very individual sport, and

759
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, you pick your friends, you pick who you

760
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: talk to. You know, you can decide, and everyone was

761
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: making mutual decisions of being friends with Russian players bell

762
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: Russian players throughout like years, ten years, fifteen years. I mean,

763
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: obviously I'm the one that is young on tour, so

764
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: I'm friends, but for just a couple of years, not

765
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 3: for tens or fifteen years. But yet it was extremely

766
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: disappointing for me, especially when we arrived in India wells

767
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: and nothing happened, because we were expect everyone was expecting, like, oh,

768
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, we're like we're friends. They definitely will like

769
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: run to us, they will come up to us and

770
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: ask how we are and how is our family. You know,

771
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: we're not even talking about like some political views or whatever,

772
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: just some basic human relationship I don't know of asking

773
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: how are you? I don't know, and this didn't happen

774
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: and you just kind of like you had to accept it.

775
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: I don't know. We all had to accept it at

776
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: some point and just realize that this is kind of

777
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: like not our friends anymore, and I'm not sure they'll

778
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 3: ever be. I don't think what. I don't think they

779
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: have to do something to gain the friendship or relationship back,

780
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: because I don't think there is something you can do

781
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: to bring it back. You can make it better, but

782
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: I don't think you can bring it back. But of course,

783
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just disappointing, not much more to it,

784
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 3: just little thing on the on the Wimbledon band. Yeah,

785
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: what are.

786
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that?

787
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: You know? One thing?

788
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: Can I say something before you say something? And I

789
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: didn't bring this up on the pod last week when

790
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: we spoke about it, Caitlin and I, but one of

791
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: the things that we I was somebody said to me

792
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: is that can you imagine having to play as a

793
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: Ukrainian player having to play against a Russian player? And

794
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about that very much. And I just

795
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: can you, like even remotely explain how that felt? Because

796
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: have you played any Russian players since this started?

797
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: Thankfully no, but we had their so we'll played Russians

798
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: and when everything was so fresh, you know, the emotions

799
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: were fresh and everything was so new, I think you

800
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: don't want to win the match against this person. I

801
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: think it would come to the point that I, I

802
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I would probably want to harm this person

803
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: physically mentally, I don't know, because this is what their

804
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: country is doing to us, but obviously not physically directly,

805
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: but mentally. And this is just I think this is

806
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: just like a part of payback we could get, you know,

807
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 3: by beating these players, but not just on the court,

808
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: but in other ways. Obviously it would never go to

809
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: this point, but you know, the will to do it

810
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: is still huge to this day, especially that especially that

811
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: their approach to things doesn't change. They started to defend themselves,

812
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: They started to bring lawyers on the calls because they

813
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: are being discriminated and all the possible nightmare like this

814
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: is keep on happening, and you just you keep on

815
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: being surprised more and more with every action they make.

816
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: And it doesn't you know, because we in this situation

817
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: like this, I think we are acting as like in

818
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: extremely respectful way way.

819
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: And.

820
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: We you know, we're trying to be like as much

821
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: as possible, like polite. I don't know the uunderstanding, but

822
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: yet no one is trying to understand us. So you know,

823
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: I think at one point we will, you know, we

824
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: will just not being able to handle it anymore being

825
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: this nouns and polite.

826
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: I think it's look, it's an ongoing situation. We'll see

827
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: what the WTA depeat does. I had to do, you know,

828
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 2: in the end, but you know, I hadn't thought about

829
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: it from that point perspective. I can imagine like standing

830
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: at first round, walking onto the tennis court, having to

831
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: play against the Russian player, And of course we all know,

832
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, you're a smart young lady. I'm a smarter olderly.

833
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 2: But we understand that they're not the cause of the war,

834
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 2: right we know that we know that the Russian tennis

835
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: players have nothing to do with the war. But as

836
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: you said to me a couple of weeks ago, Putin

837
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: likes to propaganda. He's propaganda and using athletes is pretty

838
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: well known, and so unfortunately, you know, they're also paying

839
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: a price for this horrific war. But I thought I

840
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: hadn't thought about it from the perspective of you guys

841
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: having to actually walk onto the tennis court and play them,

842
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: and how difficult that must be. So you know, I,

843
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: you know, I so appreciate you talking about it. You know,

844
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: it's like we could talk about it as you do.

845
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: You and I do often talk about it for hours,

846
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: but you know, I just want you to know, and also,

847
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: you know I do. I feel badly for the Russian

848
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: players and Valarusian players. Look, they're going to pay a

849
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: heavy price if they don't get to play wimble and

850
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: I think about someone like Saba Lanka, who made the

851
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: semis there last year, might not be able to defend

852
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: a point. But in the end, unfortunately, you know, this

853
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: is something that it's sometimes out of all of our hands,

854
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I know for you how difficult this

855
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: last month has been. And I think it's pretty remarkable.

856
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Elena for example, she's not even

857
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: playing because she just can't handle the emotions that she's

858
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: having to with on the tennis court. But it's been

859
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: remarkable to see you even play the way that you've

860
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: played over the last month. And it's incredible.

861
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you. I just, I mean, I don't,

862
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: but don't think that I'm handling it the great no,

863
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: no one, It's not as easy.

864
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: I can't even remotely understand. I mean, you know, you

865
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: tell these stories about things that and you and I

866
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: have talked about, and I just it's inconceivable to think

867
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: that we could even remotely think how you're doing traveling

868
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: the world and having to worry about your homeland and

869
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: your family and your friends back there. So it's we

870
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: very much think about you all the time.

871
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much.

872
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: But let's end it on a positive a note on

873
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: this pod, because you know me, I'm usually a bit

874
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: of a jokester, and I like, I usually like like

875
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: like to have us have good conversations. But what's what's

876
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: the focus other than dealing with this whole situation? But

877
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: what's your what's your want over the next six months

878
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: besides what's happening in Ukraine, which we know the obvious

879
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: say you like the water stop, but what are your

880
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: hopes for the rest of this year and going forward

881
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: to stay alife.

882
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds probably extremely horrible, but I

883
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: think to to to be alive too too to handle

884
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: it in the best possible way to to do everything

885
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: that depends on me. Mm hmmm, And you know, to

886
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: to try to progress, to try to make as much

887
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: progress as I can, because you know, I don't know

888
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: it's you know, I haven't even actually like give it

889
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: a thought about what you just asked me, because I'm

890
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: not living in that way anymore. I'm thinking about you.

891
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 3: I have to play as many matches as possible. Uh,

892
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: you know, I have to to work on this, on this,

893
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: on this on court. But I'm like, can I even

894
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: like handle it? Like can I go out there? How

895
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: many more tournaments? Can I handle where I'm gonna be

896
00:55:54,280 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: two months, like physically, mentally anywhere. So you know, I

897
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: just think I have to wake up every morning and

898
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: do the best I can that day that I wake up,

899
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: and I just move on. Was this thinking because I

900
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: think it's the best way I can dealt with it.

901
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: You know, we always say live in the present, and

902
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: we always say, you know, in tennis, it's always like

903
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: it's not about the last point, it's the next point.

904
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that that's a great mantra for

905
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: you going forward, even in these dire circumstances with what's

906
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: happening at home, and I want everybody at home to

907
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: know that you You're a lot of fun to be around.

908
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: I think you have aous, tremendous future ahead of you

909
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: as tennis player. I think you're going to get better

910
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: and better because you have every shot. I mean, you

911
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: really do very, very confident in every part of the game.

912
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: Coming forward with your serve, your ground is like, I

913
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: think we're going to see a lot. I expect you

914
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: to be top ten in the next couple of years.

915
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: No pressure matter, but no pressure, everything goes smoothly and okay.

916
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: And you're saying and your family and everything at home

917
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: is okay. I mean, I see big things for you

918
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: in the future. And thanks for joining me on this

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 2: podcast today.

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00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much.