1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Up next out Woud with Gianno called part of the gig, 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: which switch six people who don't read scripture, often insuing 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: women play little to no role in the Bible. In fact, 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: some critics even claimed the Bible's outright sexist. Today we 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: learned the truth with the one and only Shannon Breen. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Allow with Gianno Calledwell. I'm Gianno calledwell, 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited for this week's show. My guest 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: is someone who I'm a big fan of and I'm 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: sure you've seen on TV Fox News Channel, Shannon Breen. 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Shannon has been a pillar at Fox News for years, 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: and she currently works as an anchor in the network's 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: chief legal correspondent. Shannon is also a New York Times 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: bestselling author, number one in that slot multiple times over. 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: For her latest book, The Women of the Bible Speak 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: The Wisdom of Sixteen Women and their Lessons for Today, 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: it rose to the New York Times bestseller list number 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: one over and over again. Such a good read. Today, 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: I want to discuss Shannon's latest book and examine faith 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: more broadly. I also asked her about the Supreme Court, 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: reliant on her former legal career and years of reporting 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: on the nation's highest court. Plus we discussed family and 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: get a bit into Shannon's personal life. With that, I 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: want to welcome Shannon bringing to the show. Thank you 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: so much for coming on Allow with Gianno Caldwell. You 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: know it is my honor. I've been just so blown 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: away watching you over the years and just um all 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: the amazing things that you're doing, and I'm always cheering 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: for you and so interesting to know. You were the 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: first person I've ever met who worked at Fox News Channel. 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: I think it was the Hills Most Beautiful event and 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: you you received the honor of that year and I 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: was able to say hello, I'm I'm interested in doing television. 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: I think I was doing TV at that point. I 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: think it was more on CNN as a as a guest. 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: But it was so nice of you to give me 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: your your email address and correspond with me, and here 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: we are now colleagues at the same network. I love it. 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: And that's such a cheeseball Washington thing that we would 39 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: be at a party for the Hills most people, but 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm glad that that was an opportunity 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: to meet you, if nothing else, exactly exactly so I 42 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: want to get into something that I think Um has 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: certainly woken people up to women in the Bible today. 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: I think especially in our day and age with the 45 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: culture that we see the cultural wars, and you see 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks that have been moving towards darkness. 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: If I'm being honest with you, they're not necessarily utilizing 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: the Bible as a tool to get through those very 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: difficult times. In some cases, they're shunning the Bible in 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: any religious teachings. And you came out with a bomb 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: selling a book called Women of the Bible Speak, which 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: New York Times best Selling Author, number one best selling 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: author week after week, and that was earlier this year. 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: And the book is titled The Women of the Bible Speak, 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: The Wisdom of the Sixteen Women in Lessons for Today. 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: So what made you decide to write this book? It's 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: just it's it's such an interesting term for it. Yeah, 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: it it actually Fox came to me because you know, 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: they were putting out their own book label book series, 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: three different books, and they said, listen, we're thinking about 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: doing something in this space with women and religion. We 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: know you're very open about your faith. Is this something 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: you'd be interested in and I was like, man, what 64 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: an opportunity. I was so excited, and we dove in 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: and decided to put together these women in pairs. We 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of look at the parallels in their lives and 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: the lessons we learned through them, and the more that 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: I studied because I grew up in the church and 69 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: in faith, and knowing these stories, I learned so so 70 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: much about these women. And I was writing this during 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: last year, which was probably the worst year for just 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: about anybody that they can remember, with fear and anxiety 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: and loss and pain and worry and financial trouble and 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: just such a stew of terrible things. And it really 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: was such a blessing to me, this book of being 76 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: inspired remembering these stories, reading the Bible in a deeper way, 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, that's working through things all the time, 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: whether we can see it or not. And I saw 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: that in these women's stories, and I'm just amazed that 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: it's really connected with people. And I love that that. 81 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: I think for some people, um, you know, the toughest 82 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: times like the year of the pandemic and of social 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: unrest and a and of open wounds and of things 84 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: that we've got to have tough conversations. I think all 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: of those things made a lot of people more open 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: to talking about faith, into finding something bigger than ourselves 87 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: that we can root in. And you know, the book 88 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: they came to me, but it turned out to be 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: such a blessing to me and writing it. Now, were 90 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you surprise how popular and successful it's been? Oh? Absolutely. 91 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you write a book, you 92 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: don't ever want to get expectations about what it's gonna do. 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: And for this, because it was this message that's so 94 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: faith based. You know, I just prayed over the book 95 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: when it was being written and getting ready. Um, you know, 96 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: God just helped this to be a encouragement to people, 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: help them to find you if they're looking for you, 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: if they know you, may they be encouraged and just 99 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: inspired by these women to see that you have purpose 100 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: in everything and that people great and small. And you 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: know in this book I joke about it, but it's true. 102 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: We've got a queen, we've got a murderer, we've got 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: a prostitute. I mean, all of these different people, some 104 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: women who made really bad decisions. But God redeemed it 105 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: and he can use our messes. Uh, he can reach 106 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: to us wherever we are. We don't have to be 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: Queen Esther. We can be somebody who you know is 108 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: no name, is just living our lives, is just trying 109 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: to be faithful, and he can work through all different circumstances. 110 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: So I just came at the book from such a 111 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: spiritual place that I wasn't thinking about how it would 112 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: do or trying to tell myself, don't look at those 113 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: worldly measures of this. So to see it do so well, Yeah, 114 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: very surprising. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me ask you this for 115 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: our listeners, especially for those who may not be familiar 116 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: with the work, can you explain for those who may 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: not even be familiar with the Bible in and of itself, 118 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: can you really give us the crooks of the book 119 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: book and why it was so so important today. I 120 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: know you talked about the pandemic. I agree with that, 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: but even beyond that, because the country is opening and up. 122 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: L A just opened up. I think it was yesterday, 123 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: June June. It just opened up. So you're seeing all 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: across the country and now people are kind of out 125 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: of the pandemic in some respects, and now we need 126 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: to really get those folks who might have said you know, 127 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm out of this now. I don't need to think 128 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: about faith. I don't need to think about God. I 129 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: don't need to think about the Bible because my life 130 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: is going back to how it used to be. This 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: book is going to be important for years to come. 132 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Can you can you just dig right in and and 133 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: talk to us, talk us through the book. Yeah. So, 134 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: what I love about the book is that the more 135 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: I looked at these stories, I thought, gosh, they're timeless, 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: because these are women who deal with family squabbles and 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: jealousy and fighting, and infertility and widowhood and longing for 138 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: something and praying for years and hoping for something to 139 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: come true, chronic illnesses, financial ruin. I mean, these are 140 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: all things that over time we're all going to experience 141 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: in one way or another, or the people that we 142 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: love or our families are gonna walk through these valleys. 143 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: So I was just struck by the fact that these 144 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: stories across time translate to today. I mean, there's still 145 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: very problems and beyond um. But like I said, to 146 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: see how God worked and sometimes these women we did 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: years or decades a lifetime to see His promises come 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: true for them. I think we've all been in seasons 149 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: of uncertainty or of waiting, or of struggle, whether it's 150 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, relational, financial, physical, spiritual, whatever it is. Those 151 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: stories just give us encouragement. They challenge us, and they 152 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: give us tools, I think, and point us in the 153 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: right direction to say, you know, have faith, continue to 154 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: seek God. He hears you, he hears your prayers. They 155 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be fancy. You don't have to be 156 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: a theologian or have gone to seminary. I mean sometimes 157 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: it's the simplest things. There have been times in my 158 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: life where I've been in a really dark place and 159 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: all I could say was God, please help me, God, 160 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Please help me. I mean, not not anything fancier than that, 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: or knowing every in and out of my faith or 162 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: of doctrine, but just knowing that God is there and 163 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: he's listening. A man now, you know, I think, uh, 164 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: one of the first woman of the Bible that everyone, 165 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: uh it seemingly talks about is the story of Adam 166 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: and Eve and the eating of the apple from the tree. 167 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Did you dig in there? You know what's so funny 168 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: is we had to cull it down at some point 169 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: because there were so many stories. Eve did not make 170 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the cuts, sadly, but maybe there'll be women of the 171 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: Bible speak too, and then we'll get even there. I mean, 172 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: she is the mother of all humanity and all that 173 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: we know, and God's earliest, you know, human creation, She 174 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and Adam. But we had this process of going through 175 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: and saying, gosh, what do we include? What do we 176 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: cut out? Because all of these stories are important and fascinating. 177 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: We don't have to add anything to them, by the way, 178 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many twists and turns and drama 179 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: um with each of these stories that they're all kind 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: of you know, Hollywood movies in their own right. So 181 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: we don't talk too much about Eve in in this 182 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: um study. She's not one of our deep dive studies 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: in this particular book. But we do include a lot 184 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of the Old Testament, a lot of the New Testament. 185 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: And honestly, there were so many women after we did 186 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: the nine chapters pairing them together that I said, listen, 187 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, eight chapters. I said, there are all these 188 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: other women that we don't some of them we don't 189 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: even know their names, but their stories are important. They're 190 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: included in the Bible, and they show the interaction with 191 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: Christ and how he didn't judge, he accepted and loved them. 192 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: He would and whatever their circumstances, you know, say to them, 193 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: go and send no more. But he didn't ever be 194 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: raped or belittle them. I mean he went to these 195 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: women who were outcasts from society, who were not accepted 196 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: by the religious elites or the elites of the day. 197 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: And so he went to people where they were modest, 198 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: humble people that needed his help. And so we did 199 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: a whole other chapter that we added on the end 200 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: about Christ's interaction with another eight women. So it was 201 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: really hard to cut. In the end, I ended up 202 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: adding instead of cutting. But I think there are plenty 203 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: more women there for hopefully more books down the line. 204 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: We're talking to Fox News anchor Shannon Bring. We've got 205 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: much more with her right after a quick break. You 206 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: did your study and your research, and for some people 207 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: the Bible can be confusing to them. You talk about 208 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: the distinctions between the Greek and the Hebrew and how 209 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: it was transliterated. As an example at second Timothy one 210 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: and seven. For God have not given us a speed 211 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: of fear, but of power of love in the sour mind, 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: but yet it says you have to fear God. And 213 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, I know from my study that that that 214 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: fear is reverence respect versus be afraid of How did 215 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: you deal with those different translations to really pull out 216 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: the true contextual meaning behind the words in the Bible? 217 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: As you you did your study and research here. You 218 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: know what helped me so much is that, UM, I 219 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: had a basic familiarity with these stories and with these scriptures. 220 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: But I had a couple of world class theologians who 221 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: actually have been to seminary and know the Greek and 222 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: the he run all those things. A couple of folks 223 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: who work at a First Baptist Dallas, and Pastor Jeffers 224 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: is a Fox News contributor, UM, and our viewers and 225 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: listeners will know him well. And I reached out to 226 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: these folks in his church. He connected me with them 227 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: because I would have these really deep questions, like you said, 228 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: trying to get to the meanings behind the words, or 229 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: what were the customs of the day, what were women 230 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: allowed to do not to do? Why was this woman's 231 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: circumstance unusual or was it common? UM, so honestly, being 232 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: able to lean on these super educated UM seminarians and 233 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: to say to them, give me a fuller understanding here. 234 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: Even though I knew these stories, they brought them to 235 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: life in such a different way for me. And we 236 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: talked through different translations, and sometimes we would say, even 237 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: the scholars don't agree on a particular point, so let's 238 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: flash out what we know. Let's not add or speculate, 239 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: but but let's say what experts have told us here 240 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: about these women. And I think it leaves a lot 241 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: of room for additional study. You know, every chapter we 242 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: end with study questions, and I love that because when 243 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: I read a book, I love study questions that then, 244 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: you know, give you the task of, you know, digging 245 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: into the scriptures more praying that they will personally be 246 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: more understandable, more enlightened for you. Um. And I like 247 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: when people do it as a group, to have a 248 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: number of women who have said to me, we're doing 249 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: this as a church Bible study, because I always feel 250 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: like in conversation with other people studying the same scriptures, 251 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: you're going to get different perspectives and different ideas. So 252 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: I was very blessed to have those experts to lean on. 253 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: And I hope it's just sort of a jumping off 254 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: point for people that they'll be encouraged to do their 255 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: own study as well. Mmm. No, I love that. Now, 256 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: out of all the women in the Bible you wrote about, 257 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: from Queen Esther to Mary Magdalene, is there anyone you 258 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: really identify with or found especially inspiring? You know, I've 259 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: always loved this story about the woman, and she's in 260 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: several gospels, but we don't ever know her name. Um 261 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: when we meet her, she'd been suffering with an issue 262 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: of bleeding, is what we're talking the woman with the 263 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: issue Jesus. I love her story. It is so comforting 264 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: and inspiring. Um. I just she'd suffer for twelve years 265 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: and we meet her. She has no money left, because 266 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: we're told she spent everything she had seeing worse exactly 267 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: what exactly? So think about how despondent she must have 268 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: been at that point. She's she's penniless. Now she has 269 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: no cure, she's only getting physically worse. But she hears 270 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: about Jesus, this guy who's going around performing miracles, and 271 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: some people say as the son of God. And so 272 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: she's like, I believe that this guy is who he 273 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: says he is, and I am just gonna go touch 274 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: the hem of his garment. That's going to be enough 275 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: to heal me. So what I found out in writing 276 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: the book and studying is that she would have probably 277 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: been considered unclean in those days because of this illness 278 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: and this bleeding, meaning shouldn't have been around crowds, not 279 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: been in the temple, not been in the marketplace, I mean, 280 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: very isolated in her home. Probably is a lot of 281 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: folks felt this last year over the pandemic um, you know, 282 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: very lonely at times. But she goes and finds jesus 283 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: Us and she does that. She touches the garment, the 284 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: hem of his garment, and all the gospels tell us 285 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: she was immediately healed. She knew it, and Jesus knew 286 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: because he's got that something had happened. And he turns 287 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: around and one of the gospel says, who touched me? 288 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: And I almost can hear the disciples laughing, sort of 289 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: like the responses, everyone's touching you. You're in a crowd 290 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: all the time. Everybody wants a piece of you right now. 291 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: So he clearly knows who it is, and we're told 292 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: she was. She fell down in front of him, trembling, 293 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: and afraid to confess the whole thing. And he says 294 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: to her, and all the accounts, the very first thing 295 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: he says is daughter. He doesn't say, how dare you? 296 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: You're unclean, you shouldn't even be in this crowd. How 297 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: dare you touch me? This esteemed rabbi, the son of God, 298 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: he didn't see any of that. So he telegraphs his 299 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: acceptance directly to her, but also to everybody who's watching, 300 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: that she did the right thing. And he says to her, 301 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: your faith made you whole, and he sends her on 302 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: her way. And I think, what joy for not only 303 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: this one woman, but for her to then be able 304 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: to go tell her story all these pople who have 305 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: known her for twelve years with this illness, every doctor 306 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: that she's seen, everyone in her community, to say, oh, 307 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: my goodness, this person healed her. I mean, that was 308 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: the purpose of a lot of the miracles, was to 309 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: show that Christ was divine, and so um. I love 310 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: that he was so kind to her and just telegraphed 311 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: complete acceptance of her, even though what she did would 312 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: have broken the norms of the day. Absolutely, And I 313 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: really appreciate the part where it says, as she went 314 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: she was healed. So just to hear that compliment from 315 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: Jesus to say, your faith has made you healed, because 316 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: it was literally the touching of his garment following instruction 317 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that she believed to touch him. Her faith activated when 318 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: she touched his role and I thought that was so 319 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: so cool, and I think something that people can learn 320 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: from today. And when you just believe God and you 321 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: just follow his instructions, you'll get what you're requesting. And 322 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: the thing is, his timing may not be ours, his 323 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: answer may not be ours, but he's listening and he 324 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: is going to answer ours us and a lot of 325 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: times it's better than anything we could have dreamed up. Um. 326 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: I've seen that in my own life, and I saw 327 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: that in so many of these stories of these women 328 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: that we include in the book. And you know, my 329 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: hope is that people who maybe are intimidated by the 330 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Bible aren't people of faith, they'll still be inspired by 331 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: these women and what they went through and to see 332 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: their resilience and um, how they stood up with real 333 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: courage in times of challenge and at the threat of 334 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: their own lives in some of these cases. Um. But 335 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the fact is that some of them prayed and waited 336 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: for years and decades, like I said, to see the answers, 337 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: and they came about in a different way than these 338 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: women would have thought, but an even better way. And 339 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: we can trust that God is going to be always 340 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: working for our good. Absolutely. Now, you know, men are 341 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: usually the ones that are referenced in the Bibles of 342 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the scripture, mostly outside of Mary the Mother of Jesus 343 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: or Eve as A as another example. And you think 344 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: about the women of the Bible, is this something that 345 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: men sometimes would think? Maybe I shouldn't get it. It's 346 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: talking about the women of the Bibe. What what can 347 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: I get from this? Have you had any experiences with 348 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: that from either men or people from other faiths beyond 349 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: jud Joe des Um and Christianity or atheists or you know, nonbelievers, 350 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: and say, why would I want to read this book? This? 351 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: This won't apply to me? Right? And let me start 352 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: with the men, because the thing is they'll have familiarity 353 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: with a lot of these stories because in many of 354 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: these stories you've heard before, but probably primarily from the 355 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: male point of view, like Abraham and Sarah, the foundation 356 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: of all the world's you know, most prominent, biggest faiths 357 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: out there come through this family. But we've heard about 358 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Abraham a lot, and we do hear about Sarah. But 359 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: in my book, I tell the story from Sarah's perspective. 360 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: So you're getting, um, just another angle on the same 361 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: story you've probably heard or studied if you are a 362 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: person of faith. I've had men say to me, I'm 363 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: buying this from my daughter's we're going to read it together, 364 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: or I bought it from my wife, um, and she's 365 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: sharing it with me and now we're going through it together. 366 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's john or specific at all. 367 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And like I said, I do think even if you're 368 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: not a person of faith, um, you know, I think 369 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: there's so much there. The principles are the same, about 370 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: perseverance and about community and about finding strength in really 371 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: difficult circumstances. So I've had a couple of Jewish people 372 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: reach out to me to say, you know, I thought 373 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: maybe this would only be from the perspective of the 374 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: New Testament, because you're a Christian, you're very open about 375 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: your faith. But to me, as a Christian, the Old 376 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: Testament is the foundation of my faith. And so I've 377 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: had Jewish believers say to me. I love that you 378 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: included our stories and that Queen Nest and others that 379 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: are so important to us from our faith traditions, from 380 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: the Old Testament, or at least half of your book. 381 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: So I think there's something for everybody if you're just 382 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: looking for something positive and encouraging. We need to pause 383 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: here for a quick break, but we'll be back straightly. 384 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question in your in your life, 385 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: because you've had many examples of how your faith has 386 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: worked for you. You're clearly one of the most sought 387 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: after individuals, and news media and the network has been 388 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: promoting you. You've done a great job. You you're the 389 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: chief legal correspondent if I'm correct, and I believe that 390 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: you are. You work on Supreme Court issues regularly and 391 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: consistently when the court is open. Have you noticed any 392 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: shift in terms of legally of people's rights is in 393 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: terms of their religious faiths being usurped and they have 394 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: to take cases to the Supreme Court. I'm sure that 395 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: happens all the time, but do you see more of 396 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: that occurring now in this day and age. Yeah, we 397 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: certainly did a lot during the toughest lockdowns during the pandemic. 398 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: There were several churches and you know, synagogues and different 399 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: faiths that actually joined together to go to the Supreme 400 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: Court and say, um, you know, why can people fly 401 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: around in planes or go to Costco or go to 402 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: liquor stores or pet stores, but they can't go to church. 403 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: And so I mean, we saw cases out of New 404 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: York and California, all over the country that ended up 405 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court with the justices basically saying, listen, 406 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: there can be times of enormous distress and emergency in 407 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: our country, but you can't suspend the Constitution forever. And 408 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: you can't treat churches differently than you do non religious 409 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: organizations if you can say, you know, there was a 410 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: case out of California where these churches are saying, listen, 411 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: if you're gonna say strip clubs can be open during 412 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic, we are not going to close our doors. 413 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: So you know, the Supreme Court came down in favor 414 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: of a number of these religious groups saying you've got 415 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: to work out the accommodations. If casinos and other places 416 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: are open, you have to find a way that you're 417 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: not discriminating against worship places, houses, of faith UH in 418 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: the same way. So we saw a lot of that 419 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: during the pandemic. And we you know, there's a case 420 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: pending that we're waiting right now for at the Supreme 421 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: Court too, which sets up something that's a very modern 422 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: conversation about how you balance religious faith and freedom in 423 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: this country UM against the rights of lgbt Q and 424 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: their community and anti discrimination statutes. And in this one 425 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: case deals with Catholic Charities groups and Piladelphia who who 426 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: UM work as a foster care placement system for children 427 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: in need, and UM, because they are a Catholic church 428 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: based group, they don't actively place children with same sex couples. 429 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: So there's a lawsuit over that now pending UM and 430 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: I know that for the case, and the record shows 431 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: there's never been a same sex couple who's gone to 432 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: Catholic Charities to try to be part of the foster 433 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: program and been turned away. So the case is based 434 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: on something that hasn't actually happened yet. But I think 435 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be one of those very tricky places 436 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: where the Court's going to try to find this balance 437 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: of respecting the rights of everyone involved. Can you find 438 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: that balance? UM, And we'll get that case in a 439 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: number of days, and so, um, yeah, I think there 440 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of important conversations on that space that 441 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: are happening in the legal world. Now. We've seen in 442 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: recent years that each nominee, each new nominee to the 443 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, becomes a political circus. We saw that with 444 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: Brett common all Amy Coney Barrett, which they tried to 445 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: really really derail her nomination as well as Brett. Why 446 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: does the Supreme Court become such a politically expulsive, explosive 447 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: point of contention. Is it healthy for the republic I 448 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: think it's tricky because the justices themselves don't want to 449 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: be viewed as partisan. They know that either Republican or 450 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: a Democrat president nominated them, but they very much want 451 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: to be seen be seen as untethered from that. They 452 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: have no obligations, they make no promises to any president 453 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: who interviews them or considers them for nomination, and so 454 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: you see them across the ideological spectrum. I think it's 455 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: healthy to have Justices, all nine of them across the board, 456 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: different ones now speaking up and saying, um, you know, 457 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Justice Prior, who's viewed as a part of the liberal wing, 458 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: he comes from a Democratic nomination President Clinton to say, 459 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: this court is not political. We do not want to 460 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: be viewed that way. We for the Chief Justice John Roberts, 461 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: obviously a Republican nominee, say the same thing. We as 462 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: the court or above that separate from that and we 463 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: don't operate that way. They've, you know, many of them 464 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: have said things that have indicated they're not happy about 465 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: this talk of packing the court by Democrats and progressives 466 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: who are really pushing that. So when you have even 467 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Stephen Bryer coming out as a Democratic, democratically nominated nominee 468 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: who votes primarily with the liberal wing, to say, stop 469 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: talking about packing the court. You're undermining the institution and 470 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: making it look political, where we make every effort to 471 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: not be political. And I think they genuinely do that, 472 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: but I think because they're the highest court in the land, 473 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: there's so much at stake for every seat that changes, 474 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: and so right now they're just like we saw with 475 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Justice Ginsburg, we're seeing a number of people step up 476 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: on the left and right these articles and give these 477 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: interviews saying it's time for Justice Prior to go. And 478 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: my experience has been that the more that happens with 479 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the Justice, the more likely they dig their heels in 480 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: and they don't want to leave. So it's really tricky. 481 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things we watched for 482 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: is I'm now coming to the end of the term 483 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court, which ends the end of June. 484 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: We always watch for those retirement announcements, and there are 485 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: always rumors, but we haven't heard anything concrete from Justice Bryan, 486 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: and I suspect the more of the left calls for 487 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: him to go, the longer he's going to stay. Yeah, unlikely. Now, 488 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: what do you think about Mitch McConnell's latest statement saying 489 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: that if Republicans take over the Senate and he becomes 490 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: the majority leader again, he's not going to allow any 491 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: Joe Biden nominees to get a hearing. And that's clearly 492 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: if someone were to retire at this point. Yeah, he 493 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: says in election year four, if that happens. Now, he'll 494 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: say to you that that is consistent with what he 495 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: did with the open seat of Justice Scalia when there 496 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: was an election coming and the Senate was in a 497 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: different political party's hands than the White House. He says, 498 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: what's consistent is to wait for the election and let 499 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: the voters tell you who they want to fill that seat. 500 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: So it's really wonky, is very nuanced, but he says 501 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: that's been his consistent argument the whole time. And listen, 502 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: he and President Trump. There lasting legacy, I think will 503 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: be the enormous number of federal judges they got seated 504 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: to the bench during President Trump's year or his term 505 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: that he absolutely so. Um, that is what Mitch McConnell 506 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: is about. That's what President drump was about, was getting 507 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: those seats filled. So listen, I think it's tricky Democrats 508 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: are looking ahead to next year and knowing that you know, 509 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: historically it's not a good year for the party whose 510 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: president holds the White House. So I think that the 511 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: House is very much in play. I think the Senate 512 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: less so. But again, um, you know, looking ahead too, 513 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: who knows what the political landscape is gonna be. But 514 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell says this statement he made this week is 515 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: consistent with what he did. I wanna I want to 516 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: close out our interview by asking a couple of questions 517 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: about you beyond Fox News and your best selling book. 518 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: You've spoken before about your eye condition that you may 519 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: you had to endure extremely dry eye and how painful 520 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: it was for you. You described waking up in the 521 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: middle of the night and feeling like someone was literally 522 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: stabbing your eyes. For our listeners who may not know, 523 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: what was that experience like and what lessons, if any, 524 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: that you learned from it, it was clearly the darkest 525 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: part of my life. I'm very open in my first 526 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: book talking about that and how when you live with 527 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: chronic pain. And I'm sure a number of people listening 528 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: to this know what that's like, or they have someone 529 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: they love who knows what knows what's that's like. Every 530 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: day you're questioning how do I get through this day? 531 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: And what is the purpose? I mean, if my whole 532 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: life is going to be nothing but trying to survive 533 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: excruciating pain every day of my life, why should I 534 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: go on living? And I was really asking myself those questions, 535 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: and I went from doctor to doctor with this excruciating 536 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: I pain. Finally and I had gotten to a really 537 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: dark place and just kind of had a breakdown with 538 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: my husband, like I can't go on like this, I 539 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. And when I you know, log 540 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: onto message boards for people who are suffering the way 541 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: that I am with the same eye conditions. People are 542 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: talking about suicide, and that doesn't sound crazy to me. 543 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: It sounds like it would be a relief in some ways. 544 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: And I knew in my head, even though I was 545 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: exhausted and going through constant pain and emotionally exhausted, that 546 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: that wasn't clear thinking. I knew that, and so leveling 547 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: with my husband, having this conversation and deciding that I 548 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: was going to start the hunt again for another doctor, 549 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: and praying that God would lead me to somebody. Listen, 550 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: if you're not gonna heal me, may not be your plan. 551 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Please just lead me to somebody that can get me 552 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: through this. And the very next day I found the 553 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: doctor who finally diagnosed me. And I always embarrassed him 554 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: when see him. I'm like, you know, you're an answer 555 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: to prayer any sort of like he laughs a little 556 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: bit uncomfortably, like, okay, thanks um, But he really is um. 557 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: And what he diagnosed me with was not only the 558 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: dry eye that I was struggling with. And I hate 559 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: this because I know millions of people around the world 560 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: struggle with this, but on top of that, I had 561 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: a genetic condition to my corneas that is not curable. 562 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: It's manageable, but there is no cure for it. So 563 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: that was a blow when he told me that. It 564 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: was such a high to hear that he knew what 565 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I had finally, but you know, really difficult to hear 566 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: that you're never going to be free of this. You're 567 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: going to manage this the rest of your life. And 568 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: with his help and God's grace, I have been able 569 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: to get out of that chronic pain situation and found 570 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: such relief and help were the time. I'm doing amazing 571 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful. So you ask about lessons, and 572 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: that's such a great question because a couple of things 573 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: made me way more empathetic to other people. Because I 574 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: would think sometimes at the gym, when I'm on the 575 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: treadmill or something and just can barely hang on, I'm like, 576 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: I don't you know the person next to me has 577 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: no idea what I'm struggling with. How do I know 578 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: what they're struggling with. Maybe they are in depression, maybe 579 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: they are have lost someone they love, maybe they're unemployed 580 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: and terrified. I mean, you don't know what people are 581 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: going through. It doesn't have to be physical it can 582 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: be mental and emotional. We're all struggling with those things 583 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: of the last year. So it's made me much more 584 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: empathetic um to other people's pain, which is a good 585 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: place to be, to be humble and to care about 586 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: other people. But it also gave me great hope and 587 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: deep in my faith because there came a point where 588 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: after I found out that there was no cure for this, 589 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: that I was in my car just sobbing, having left 590 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: the doctor's office and saying, God, how can this be? 591 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, I feel like this guy is my answer 592 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: to prayer. But what do you mean there's no cure? 593 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: And as I'm thinking, I just can't do it, um, 594 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: I felt him say to me, not out loud. I 595 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: don't feel like I've ever heard God's voice out loud, 596 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: although I believe, you know, people can. For me, my 597 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: experience was sort of feeling him say in my spirit, 598 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: but it was very clear saying I will be with you. 599 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: Those words, not I'm gonna take you out of this, 600 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna heal it, or it's all going to 601 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: be rainbows and sunshine, but I'm going to be with you. 602 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's a truth that we can all 603 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: claim whatever we're walking through that he promises us to 604 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: be with us in the best and worst of it. 605 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: So I would never want to relive those years, but 606 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I learned a lot and I'm thankful for what I 607 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: learned through them. Wow, thank you for sharing that story. 608 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: And is so and thing you mentioned your your husband Sheldon, 609 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: and I see you all's marriage. You will be married. 610 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: I guess it will be thirty years in a few 611 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: years from now, like maybe three years now. We just 612 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: we celebrated our so five years from now. Yeah, yeah, 613 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: And you know what we always say, we are non perfect, 614 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: but we're perfect for each other. And our faith is 615 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: the foundation of what keeps us together. Like everyone has 616 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: been married for longer than five minutes, you've had an argument, 617 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: you've had ups and downs, real world struggles and real crises, 618 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: um in your marriage. And so we don't ever want 619 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: to act like we've got it totally together and um 620 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: it's perfect to bliss for twenty five years, but we 621 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: know that you can make it through tough things. And 622 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I am his number one fan and I think he's 623 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: mine too. And I think if you come from a 624 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: place of where you're cheering for your spouse and you 625 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: want the best for them, because listen, we're all born 626 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: selfish beings. I think we come out of the womb 627 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: that way. And marriage really makes you fight that you 628 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: have to want the other person since, um, you know, 629 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: benefit before your own. And if you're constantly trying to 630 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: serve and care for each other, it's going to be 631 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful circle where you're taking care of each other. 632 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And it feels like a really nice place to kind 633 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: of have shelter in your own home against the rest 634 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: of the world because you know you have someone who 635 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: has your back and you have theirs, and that's and 636 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you for sharing that. And as 637 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: someone who's certainly looking to get married at some point 638 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: in the in the future, maybe even the near future, 639 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: who knows the near future, Yeah, I would love that. 640 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: But for me, it's it's you've got to really beyond 641 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: everything looking okay, if a person has, you know, all 642 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: the things in which you desire and a mate. It's 643 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: also this this instinct, this it factor that comes into 644 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: play in my mind. And of course I've never been married, 645 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: so I don't really really know. But my question to 646 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: you is, is there do you believe that there's that 647 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: one person or is it maybe one peron sin or 648 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: the one person in a particular time, or is it 649 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: just a one person God has created for you and 650 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: there can't be any others. Yeah, that's such a good question, 651 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: and I've wrestled with that because I can't imagine my 652 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: life with anyone other than Sheldon. And I see how 653 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: perfectly his strengths fit together with my weaknesses, and I think, Gosh, 654 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: God sent him to me, for sure. But I do 655 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: believe we have free will and God has all kinds 656 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: of wonderful people out there created. You know, some people 657 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: it's a gift of singleness in marriage is not for them, 658 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: but I think for a lot of us it is. 659 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, God can work through all 660 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: of our decisions, and hopefully we seek him and really, 661 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, try to get good counsel when you're looking 662 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: at whether this is the one for you. So, I mean, 663 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: I personally believe, because of the path of my life 664 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: and because of what a good fit and a wonderful, 665 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: amazing person shallness to me, I feel like he's my person. 666 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: But I don't want people later, But I don't I 667 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: don't want people to feel like, oh gosh, there's only 668 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: one person to miss him, I'm never getting married, or 669 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: if i'm you know, miss him, I'm going to marry 670 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: the wrong person. Like, I don't know that that's the case. 671 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: I just think in my case, I'm really grateful for 672 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: the one person God did send into my path that 673 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm married. But I think there are a lot of 674 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: amazing people out there. So I don't know if it's like, oh, 675 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: if you don't get this one, then you've done everything wrong, 676 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: you know. And I've been wrestling with that question myself, 677 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: and I think to your point, and I love what 678 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you said because it's what I've I've believed as well. 679 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: As you have free will and it can be something 680 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: that's intended to be. But for that person, maybe they're 681 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: not right there at that right moment, and they have 682 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: the free will, let's say no or not move on 683 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: and God will place somebody else in your life. So 684 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: I think that. I think that's amazing and I really 685 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing that. And before we go, do you 686 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: have any big projects coming up that the folks at 687 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: home should know about? And where can they find you 688 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: on social media and elsewhere? Well, you can find me 689 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: at Shannon Bream on Facebook and Twitter and instaff. I 690 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: drew the line at like TikTok, I'm like, I'm tool 691 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: for that. That is not true if I'm doing that. Um, 692 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: Although I have an amazing assistant, Tessa, who is young 693 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: and hip and knows how to work everything. Um, but 694 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: I stick to those three pretty much. I'm pretty prolific 695 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter with news. Um. We I've got something out 696 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: on Fox Nation now which is called Hero Dogs, which 697 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. It's amazing stories about dogs 698 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: that go into battle or their police dogs or you know, 699 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: the dogs that went on the raid for Bin Laden. 700 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got amazing stories where you see them 701 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: with their handlers and the military men and women that 702 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: they work with, or the police officers they work with, 703 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: or the d e A Drug officers, and that's just 704 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of a feel good um story. Those are on 705 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: Fox Nation. They've just been released now this you know, 706 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks are going to be crazy 707 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: covering the Supreme Court, and I'm feeling it for Bret 708 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: and Martha and a lot of other people the summer 709 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: as it gets busy, and of course at midnight we're 710 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: there for Fox News at nights on the East Coast 711 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: nine o'clock Pacific and hopefully we'll see you there with 712 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: us soon. I hope so too. Thank you, Shannon Brain 713 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: for sharing with us today. We really appreciate your valuable 714 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: insight my pleasure. Thanks for having me. 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