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Speaker 1: On today's show, The Magnificent Seven and three teams on

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Speaker 1: the Quest for ten.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edo State

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Speaker 2: is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the saliverbo boys and girls. My name

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Speaker 1: is ty Heildo Brand. That guy over there is always

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: way right off the bat, Dan Rubinstein, how are you

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Speaker 1: this fine day?

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful, Tye, I'm always wonderful. But it'll be a

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Speaker 2: nice day out here in the Chicago Land area. That's

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Speaker 2: always exciting to me. Going to get some outside time.

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Speaker 2: And here's here's my stress. I know it's popular right

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Speaker 2: around now to be like, oh, one hundred nine days

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Speaker 2: until college football. There's you know, only seventeen Saturdays, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. I understand the excitement. I love the excitement.

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Speaker 2: I need it. I crave that excitement, crave. But I

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Speaker 2: am begging you enjoy summer. Right, You're gonna get some

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Speaker 2: nice days. Maybe it's cold during the wintertime where you

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Speaker 2: are get outside, get that vitamin D. I called myself

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Speaker 2: that in high school on the tennis team. I regret

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Speaker 2: every second of it, but I'm just saying right now,

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Speaker 2: let's enjoy summer because it'll make the fall that much sweeter. Tie,

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Speaker 2: how about that?

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Speaker 1: I love it. By the way, for those folks who

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Speaker 1: are listening, Yeah, on Thursday, I believe it'll be one

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Speaker 1: hundred days flat. Oh there you go until we get

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Speaker 1: week zero games. So it is getting awfully big in

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Speaker 1: the window. Thank you for tuning in with us here.

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Speaker 1: We are doing our part to try and walk through

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Speaker 1: teams that we feel have have a reason, have cause

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Speaker 1: to believe that they could get the ten wins comfortably. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are trying to figure out why they have not

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Speaker 1: got there yet, what needs changed in the interim in

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Speaker 1: order for them to get there again a comfortable ten wins.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about it on the last episode Regular

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Speaker 1: season regular regular season ten and two consistently ish. It's

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Speaker 1: difficult to go from that eight win plateau which we

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Speaker 1: discussed last week to the ten win plateau which we're

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Speaker 1: discussing this Week's very difficult to get there. And the

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Speaker 1: teams that we're going to talk about today are Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: Kansas State, and Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think you can portal your way from

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Speaker 2: eight to ten? I think you can. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you can. I think you can. I think

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Speaker 2: you can fill in some gaps. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: think that's a little like I think you can bring

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Speaker 2: in a Jamison Williams if you're Alabama from Ohio State, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: let's plug this and let's plug engineer Gibs, let's plug

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Speaker 2: in Jamain Burton. Whatever. I think that can work. I

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Speaker 2: think it's very difficult to say we're eight win team.

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Speaker 2: We are not doing it right in high school recruiting,

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Speaker 2: That to me is the work of a going from

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Speaker 2: you know, five and seven to eight and four. I

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Speaker 2: think to be that good. It's too risky to fill

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Speaker 2: in too much from the portals. But perhaps I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, look, it worked for USC

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Speaker 2: find in the transfer portal. That's all. Indeed, let's get

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Speaker 1: Let's just three quick ones here again mid May. You

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Speaker 1: know the qualifier. When we talk about news, it is

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Speaker 1: mid May. But there was a story that broke earlier

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Speaker 1: about seven ACC teams banding together. And look, I don't

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: They are locked into this media rights thing with ESPN

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Speaker 1: The legal scholars among us who have looked at this thing.

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Speaker 1: Not many folks have, but it is widely to believe,

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Speaker 1: widely believed. Excuse me to be pretty air tight, but

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Speaker 1: there are seven teams that I think are looking into it.

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Speaker 2: That represents half the league.

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Speaker 1: Brett McMurphy friend who we had on a few months back,

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Speaker 1: unearthed who those seven schools were. We knew that it

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Speaker 1: that it also included Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State,

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Speaker 1: there on what Brett referred to as the Magnificent Seven.

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Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of magnificence in that seven, at

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Speaker 1: least if you look at what happened last year. However,

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Speaker 1: now we have some clarity on who the seven are.

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Speaker 1: Some of the theories in Ross's article, Let's say, is

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Speaker 1: hard to believe that North Carolina would do it without

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Speaker 2: But okay, your thoughts on the Magnificent seven. Dam didn't

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Speaker 2: move my needle. Tie, No, didn't move my needle. Look,

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Speaker 2: I understand why some of those schools are very attractive

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Speaker 2: for instance. You know, really strong academics and good basketball.

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Speaker 2: Lord knows, the Big Ten loves basketball, at least regular

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Speaker 2: succeeding in the postseason. But that's not the sport I cover.

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Speaker 2: What do I know? So it Look, we're a football show,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what like Nebraska, Virginia or you know,

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Speaker 2: Florida State and Clemson obviously would be attractive to any

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Speaker 2: number of alumni that Florida State has, and that their

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Speaker 2: But no, it just all feels like a pursuit to

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Speaker 2: King over here, I'm just you know, not not I

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Speaker 2: the biggest audience to see you. But the ACC is

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Speaker 2: you know the footprint that the ACC has. I just

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Speaker 2: this ongoing swirling of we got to get to this conference,

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Speaker 2: we got to explore our options for this. What's the

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Speaker 2: always peacock involved now? Is Amazon? Is that? Like it

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Speaker 2: is exhausting tie. I think the ACC has a bad

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Speaker 2: Why why would ESPN do that? They have you at

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It didn't move my needle much.

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Speaker 2: It's just the off season, and it's teams posturing to

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it comes down to again. These

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, potentially considering unequal revenue sharing, which

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Speaker 1: is great if you're Florida State, not great if you're

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Speaker 1: Wake Forest. As many have pointed out, this is not

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Speaker 1: a new vantage point. Florida State, Clemson. They signed the

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Speaker 1: now I want to change the rules that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how well that's going to work. Seems

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Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The Magnificent Seven, though now has arms and legs. We

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Speaker 1: know who they are agat in Florida State, Clemson, Miami,

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Speaker 2: It's pretty fun that we are in this. We are

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Speaker 2: of the enormous teams are all but saying, I don't

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Speaker 2: earning so much money and having everybody else suckle at

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Speaker 2: our profit teat I then suckle, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 2: is Vanderbilt here? Why is Maryland here? Why is Illinois here?

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Speaker 1: Well, and then there's gonna be pods, there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: And so what a world. It's just I want to

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Speaker 2: rather than well, Virginia's academics actually make them a good

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Speaker 2: I like sports tie and this is all just other,

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Speaker 2: it's all miscellaneous.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Reola has officially committed to Georgia. I saw that Georgia.

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Speaker 1: There were flirtations between Raila and usc between Raiola and

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Speaker 1: became quick news in the world of College Football that

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Speaker 1: he was going home. He said home, called it home

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Speaker 1: to go to Athens, Georgia. Of note for our purposes here,

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Speaker 1: just to provide context. The second highest rated prospect ever

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Speaker 1: That is just behind Justin Fields, who was at Georgia

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Speaker 1: for a moment of time before he went to Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of odd symmetry. But Rayola figures to

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Speaker 1: contend for that job upon stepping on campus starting in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Dan and so big news for Georgia,

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Speaker 1: a young, up and coming program, the Georgia Bulldog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good for them. Scrappy to get Dylan Royola.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't know anything about him. He's a high

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Speaker 2: think he's what an Arizona Arizona kid, Yeah, Arizona committed

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Speaker 2: now now Georgia. The Georgia quarterback Kirby history or even

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Speaker 2: like late stage Ricked fascinating. The biggest fish tend to

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Speaker 2: not work out at Georgia. The smallest fish do. Reasonably well,

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Speaker 2: and so maybe this is something new. Obviously they've got

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Speaker 1: It's Zelda week, Baby, Zelda Week. Tears of the Kingdom

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Speaker 1: bowl games and whatnot, that's a pretty good floor. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good floor, and it feels like they're knocking

436
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Speaker 1: on the door, as you said, certainly of nine wins. Now,

437
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Speaker 1: the other thing that we should probably factor in for

438
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Speaker 1: k State is that the conference.

439
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: Itself is changing almost as we speak.

440
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Speaker 1: Who knows where it'll be three weeks from now, but

441
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Speaker 1: Kansas State I think as long as they keep that

442
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Speaker 1: floor nice and high, stands to really benefit from the

443
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: changing demographics of the conference. With Texas and Oklahoma going

444
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Speaker 1: over to the SEC, they could well be one of

445
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Speaker 1: the teams that we're looking at year and in year

446
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: out as a pretty constant contender.

447
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: And when you look at a lot of these team schedules,

448
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: there's no real relief in the Big twelve, right if

449
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 2: your off week is BYU, if you off week is

450
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: Houston or one of the new teams or Baylor. Texas

451
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: tack a team that certainly has questions on their roster

452
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: and on the field, but like, oh yeah, we have

453
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: a tough game against Oklahoma and a tough game against

454
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: you know whoever Texas and sandwiched in between that is Kansas.

455
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: Whatever the schedule is for a team, it's not easy,

456
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: that's not nice, that's not fun. You get probably one

457
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Speaker 2: of the best three or four quarterbacks in the conference

458
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Speaker 2: in Kansas. So I am. I'm intrigued, But I think

459
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: the Big twelve may be heading to a place like

460
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: where the Pac twelve has been in terms of there's

461
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of pretty good teams and it

462
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: just cannibalizes itself as a conference. Interesting. Interesting, So Kansas State.

463
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, they've won a bunch of games, and this

464
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: is how you get to eight wins, but not ten games.

465
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Speaker 2: They have not been a team that has developed offensive

466
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Speaker 2: skill talent. I think they've had two receivers selected in

467
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft since two thousand and eight. One of

468
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: them worked out really well. I think Tyler Locket's a

469
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Speaker 2: good NFL receiver. Again, I don't have yeah idea, Yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: but it's one of those things that this is not

471
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Speaker 2: a program that has been able to attract and develop

472
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Speaker 2: game changes. We call them winter wonders, Guys that you

473
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Speaker 2: know are flashing in January and not just you know,

474
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Speaker 2: early November, late October. And so that's something that Kansas State,

475
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Speaker 2: if you were going to prescribe anything, and a lot

476
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Speaker 2: of that has had to do with quarterback or quarterback

477
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Speaker 2: health or scheme or receivers being good but having drops

478
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Speaker 2: or showing up for two weeks and then disappearing for three.

479
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Speaker 2: And it's Kansas State needing to not that they're not

480
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: making it a priority, but in terms of taking that

481
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Speaker 2: next step, you can make up for a lot of

482
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Speaker 2: deficiencies if you have somebody on your roster who can

483
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Speaker 2: take a two yard past thirty eight. And Kansas State

484
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: has not consistently had that guy. And so that to

485
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Speaker 2: me because they've developed offensive and defensive linemen, they've had

486
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: good secondaries, they've developed linebackers, they've had sound schemes, but

487
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: it's the explosive nature that can bail you out of games,

488
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: those fifty fifty games where oh, let's go to this

489
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: what do I call it excelsior, right, let's go to

490
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 2: this mode of offense because our usual thing isn't working.

491
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Speaker 2: Let's ride whatever the new version of Tyler Lockett is.

492
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Speaker 2: And so that to me with Kansas State, and look,

493
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Speaker 2: I know they're playing sometimes to service their defense and

494
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: to figure out creative ways to get duce Vaughan or

495
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: Douce Vaughan types the ball. That, to me is the

496
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Speaker 2: step that Kansas State probably needs to take. That a

497
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: number of teams in the Big twelve have already done that.

498
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Speaker 2: It just seems that like, oh, Philip Brooks, Malik Knowles,

499
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: guys like that, like they'll flash, but that's it. That

500
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Speaker 2: to me is what has been missing for a few

501
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Speaker 2: years with.

502
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Speaker 1: The explosive play rate about middle of the pack. Yeah,

503
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: for Case State last season, a little bit worse on

504
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: defense than offense, but the point stands, and look.

505
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Speaker 2: If you're beating really strong Oklahoma teams, you're doing something right,

506
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: which is what Kansas State has been doing. But at

507
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: the same time, you can't be in a ten to

508
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: nine rock fight against Iowa State every year and hope

509
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Speaker 2: to be the ten and not the nine if you

510
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: don't have that ability. That to me, that was the

511
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Speaker 2: I think that was Kansas State last year, right ten

512
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Speaker 2: to nine over Iowa State, So that would be my prescription. Obviously,

513
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: the shame of losing to Tulane was softened as it

514
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: was clear that Tulane was a very good team last year.

515
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: So they lose that game early, but look, that's Adrian

516
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: Martinez Kansas State, and I'm willing to write that off

517
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Speaker 2: as early season figuring things out. So I think they're

518
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: in a great spot find those winter wonders. As difficult

519
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: as it might be.

520
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Speaker 1: Beat Iowa State ten to nine.

521
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten to nine six, yep, Week six.

522
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Speaker 1: The adjusted scoring margin in that game, by the way,

523
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Speaker 1: was eighteen point six points, So underperforming a little bit

524
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Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, and.

525
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: That explosive play rate, by the way, that's partly Adrian Martinez,

526
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Speaker 2: that's not just Will Howard. Obviously they were downfield a

527
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: lot more successfully with Will Howard, so hope to see that.

528
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Speaker 2: I look, do you think, just in the short term,

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: who is the best returning big twelve quarterback? Like, is

530
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: it the best of Dylan Gabriel, the best of quinn Ewers,

531
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: or is it actually somebody who was consistently better than

532
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Speaker 2: them last year? And Will Howard.

533
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Speaker 1: You can make a really compelling case for Will Howard.

534
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling is probably highest for quinn Ewers, probably,

535
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: but Will Howard, the way he came on down the

536
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: stretch sort of forced his way in and once case

537
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: State finally committed to Yes, this is the guy they

538
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: were better. Yeah, and look, Jalen Daniels just because of

539
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: his ability with his legs is also in that conversation.

540
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: But sure, it's been a minute where you could, in

541
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: earnest say does Kansas State have the best quarterback in

542
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: the conference. That's like a reasonable enough question, at least

543
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: in mid May. I agree, Yeah, play the sound, give me,

544
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: give me the quest sound. All right, So I'm looking

545
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: for what I'm looking for?

546
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: Swords? Yeah from Kansas State.

547
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Minnesota fascinating team. Yeah, it really is. Eight and

548
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: four regular season. A year ago they beat Syracuse the

549
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: bowl game. That was how they got to nine wins.

550
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: There's second order wins, which is something I like to

551
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: look at again. It means that you look at the

552
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: game circumstances, You look at the numbers, the advanced metrics

553
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: in each of those games, and if you play them

554
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: over again, what would the computer think? The computer thinks

555
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: nine and a half wins. So this is all a

556
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: very long way of saying that the computer, the stat

557
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: guys tend to think that Minnesota was a little unlucky

558
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: last year. Maybe a little bit closer to that ten

559
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: win total. The game against Iowa, for example, last year

560
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: was a mess, but winnable, probably with a little bit

561
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: more offense. It takes things like that into an account

562
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: at any rate. Back to back nine win campaigns for PJ.

563
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Fleck and now going into year seven. First things first here, Dan,

564
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to be Debbie Downer. Uh oh, I

565
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be Debbie Downer. But Minnesota is not

566
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: winning nine games this year. They are not winning nine

567
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: games this year.

568
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: You and I.

569
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Speaker 1: Started looking at schedules. There's a reason that Vegas set

570
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: the over under at six and a half. Minnesota's schedule

571
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: is brutal. They have to play Michigan, at Iowa, at

572
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State, at North Carolina in the non conference, and

573
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: that's all to say. They close out the season rivalry

574
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: game against Wisconsin. So you stack in the fact that

575
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: they've got a new full time quarterback, the Greek Freak

576
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: as we like to call them here, ath Intaliac Manis

577
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: saw a lot of time last season, so not totally new,

578
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: but still new full time guy. They're bringing over Sean Tyler,

579
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: They're running back from Western Michigan to replace Mo Ibraheim.

580
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Elijah Spencer transfers up from Charlotte. He figures to be

581
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: a playmaker. They should be solid out wide, but the

582
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: interior line is a problem. They've got a new play caller.

583
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Defense should be okay, Like you understand my hesitation here.

584
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of new especially on the offensive

585
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: side of the ball. They're not getting to nine, They're

586
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: not getting to ten wins this season, So forget about

587
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: this season. But yeah, bigger picture, I come back to

588
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: the team talent composite tool from our friends over at

589
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports. In twenty twenty two, Minnesota

590
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: was tenth in the Big ten in terms of talent

591
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: on the roster. Okay, that's lower than from a national standpoint,

592
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: that's lower than Boston College. That's lower than Cow that's

593
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: lower than Northwestern MH. They brought in eleven transfers this offseason,

594
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: so they've been very aggressive on that front. But I

595
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: feel like at a place like Minnesota, talent's probably always

596
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: going to be an issue unless there is some incredible

597
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: breakthrough with this influx of NFL talent, and maybe the

598
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: new play caller Matt Simon can help usher in a

599
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: new era of offense that makes that program a little

600
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: easier to recruit to if you're not a running back

601
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: or alignment. I don't know, but unless something like that

602
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: happens this random see change, I feel like talent's going

603
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: to be an issue. There are just bigger programs in

604
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: their conference, bigger programs frankly in that part of the

605
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: country m HM that I think are going to attract

606
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: away from Minnesota. So that's an issue and PJ. Fleck

607
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: knew that going in. What I want to talk about though,

608
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: is the offense. I want to talk about this offense.

609
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: The Minnesota offense is we've come to know it wants

610
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: to take the air out of the ball, and that's it.

611
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: That's what they want to do. Each of the last

612
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: two seasons, Minnesota has led all Power five teams in

613
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: terms of time of possession. They were third nationally behind

614
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Air Force and Navy last year two option teams, and

615
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: then they were third two seasons ago behind Air Force

616
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: and Army, two more option teams. Service academies.

617
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: They have been.

618
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Slow, they have mostly been super efficient. They have not

619
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: created any big plays. We're talking about a Kirk Shiraka,

620
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: a Mike Sander, your guy, Mike Samford Junior offense.

621
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Speaker 2: It's been tough.

622
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: It's been tough to watch the problem, as I'm sure

623
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: you've been able to figure out at this point in life.

624
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: With a slow, methodical offense based around being super efficient,

625
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't generate big plays. Mind you, When it's slow

626
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: and inefficient, it means that they stink, right, that's the

627
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: problem with that style of offense. And we've started to

628
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: see this more and more now over the last four

629
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: seasons of Minnesota football. The offense has progressively gotten worse.

630
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: It hasn't gotten to a catastrophic point, but it has

631
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: gotten worse each of the last four seasons. And now

632
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a new play caller and everybody's really high on

633
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: Matt Simon. They think he's a star in the waiting. Yeah,

634
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: he will have an opportunity to prove that out. He

635
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: was promoted from within, he's been around some of these

636
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: other luminaries that we discussed. Can he will he modernized

637
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: things a bit, I don't know, but I see this

638
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: kind of fitting in with the talent discussion we had

639
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: a moment ago. It's hard to recruit to this unless

640
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you're running back, unless you're a standout offensive lineman. We

641
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: saw a lineman go really high in the draft from

642
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Minnesota this and there is definitely a place for a

643
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: really good offensive lineman in the system the way it's

644
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: presently constituted. You certainly don't want to get away from

645
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: recruiting good linemen, but I feel like it's an offense

646
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: that's tough to recruit to. I am bitter about Minnesota, Dan.

647
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm bitter about Minnesota for one, because I've lost every

648
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Minnesota bet I've made in the last two years, with

649
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: the exception of the over bet last year, which I

650
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: think we hit by the scare by the skin of

651
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: our teeth. But beyond the betting thing, I am just

652
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: really bitter because last season should have been the ten

653
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: win season.

654
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: They definitely missed their window. And look, when you're dealing

655
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: with the injuries that they dealt with, But because of

656
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: the offenses and the down situations that they found with

657
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: was what they beat Michigan State, they beat Wisconsin, Nebraska.

658
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: They have all these lame duck programs with interim coaches

659
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: and they lose winnable games. I think, what to Iowa

660
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: by three? And you have like this historically awful Iowa

661
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: offense that you need to score two touchdowns against or

662
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: how at five field goals, whatever it needs to happen,

663
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: and then the Purdue game was winnable. So it's just

664
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: it's a situation where you need to hit your windows

665
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: if you're Minnesota, especially given the circumstances of last season.

666
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: And look you look at twenty nineteen, they start a

667
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: little bit slow. Minnesota typically doesn't schedule anybody, so they

668
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: pad that win count, which is fine. We're just talking

669
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: about a number. We're not talking about how you get there,

670
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: get there however you want to get there. But now

671
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: they what you said, rode against North Carolina this season,

672
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: and then I think they're going to be the big

673
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: losers if and when the Big Ten goes divisionless or

674
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: pods or whatever they're going to do because their own stability,

675
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: especially along the lines, especially you know, developing a star

676
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: running back or a couple star receivers back in twenty

677
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: nineteen like that has been the strength as teams. You know,

678
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: Illinois was abysmal under Lovey Smith, and then you have

679
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: the worst of Nebraska and Wisconsin being up and down

680
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: these past few seasons, and you're able to take advantage

681
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: Iowa with no offense and you're able to take advantage

682
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: with your own ability to just be fine, to just

683
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: look like that seven, eight win team, you can win.

684
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: And so if things go to the point where whatever

685
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna be with Iowa and Nebraska and who knows,

686
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: and then they're gonna throw in UCLA and USC every

687
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: so often, it's tricky, man. And you know what, I'm

688
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: gonna say, they're an eight win program and eight is fine.

689
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: Eight is fine, And I agree, I don't think ten

690
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. I just think they are geographically challenged.

691
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in a negative way, but

692
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to recruit to Minnesota, especially when

693
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: you play an offense like the kind we've been. We've

694
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: been watching over the last few seasons, and I'm bitter

695
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: because I do feel like they missed that window last year.

696
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it should have been a ten win season.

697
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: I know they had injuries, but the schedule was a cakewalk, man,

698
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: compared to this year. Compared to this year. The fact

699
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: that they couldn't pull it off last year. But Elliott,

700
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: our friend Bud Elliott, tweeted out something like they played

701
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: an average sp plus offense of eighty fifth last season.

702
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was there for them, and on top

703
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: of it, their own offense, which I know had some

704
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: some injury issues that it had to contend with. But

705
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: there was a stretch last season where they lost three

706
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: in a row, Purdue, at Illinois, at Penn State. You

707
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: look at what the offense did in those three matchups.

708
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: It was horrible, perdue in particular, I mean the offense,

709
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: which is dreadful. The defense was dreadful in that game

710
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: and they only lost by ten. So it's like you

711
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: can find these moments in Minnesota's season last.

712
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Year where you know it should have been better and

713
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

714
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: And especially now as we have a ten win discussion,

715
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to find out find out when,

716
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: like what's going to happen that's going to change things

717
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: for the better. And it wins is fine, fine, Hey,

718
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: win's is fine.

719
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. I don't mind an offense playing slow. No,

720
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't mind an offense being not

721
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: explosive with the caveats, gotta move chains. They have to

722
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: end in sixes and not just threes in punts and

723
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: so if that is your desired style and in the

724
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: case of Minnesota against these pretty woeful, if not inconsistent

725
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: offenses that they faced, their defense got the hell off

726
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: the field. Their defense took care of business. And so

727
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: if you have that as a luxury, that your defense

728
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: is able to stand up to these very average offenses

729
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: consistently and do plenty to help you win the game,

730
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: offense just needs to collect first downs. Offense just needs

731
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: to stay on the field, wear teams down, eventually punch

732
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: it in after whatever an eleven play drive. Now, the

733
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty is higher. But if that is your

734
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: vision and you have the defense to pull it off

735
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: and you can execute great, now, who might tell you

736
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: that you're doing it wrong. But then you sometimes will

737
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: get seasons like Iowa's last year, when you have to

738
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: nail every single hitch route on second and seven, you

739
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: have to nail every single third and one, and do

740
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: so in a somewhat creative way, because teams will catch

741
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: on if you are not messing around with them a

742
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: little bit. So again, it's good if it works, But

743
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: in the case of Minnesota and not having the depth

744
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: of the powers in the conference, it's just it occupies

745
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: a space on a razor's edge. So that's the issue.

746
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: To me, we're like, can they get to can they

747
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: be nine to three, ten and two? More often than not,

748
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: I say no without more.

749
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: On offense, they were almost the opposite of TCU.

750
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: In a few big statistical categories, only six point three

752
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: percent of the time did Minnesota get a play over

753
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: twenty yards. Just pretty low. That was in the outside

754
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: the top hundred.

755
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Is just let's say they're interesting geographically, though not because

756
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: they're going to you know, recruit top twenty classes every

757
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: year and PJ. Fleck actually is. He's a good recruiter.

758
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: He went into Georgia when he goes into travels and

759
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: is able to convince kids to come to Minneapolis. But

760
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: because of where if you have some FCS guys in

761
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: the Dakota's pop, if you have a couple Mac players pop,

762
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: and we know Mac players are very willing to take

763
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: a chance at the next level, the Power five level,

764
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: Minnesota could be that destination to at least build depth

765
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: if that's their desired style of play. That to me

766
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: is interesting, even though they're not in Georgia or Florida,

767
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: Texas or California. I don't think it's a barren wasteland.

768
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a baron, it's not a barren wasteland. We've had

769
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: this discussion before when we talk about North Dakota State. Sure,

770
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: you know North Dakota State is sort of able to

771
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: own that area. The problem from Minnesota is they got

772
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: to contend with Wisconsin, maybe maybe a resurgent Wisconsin now

773
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: with Luke fi Goal, Nebraska with Matt Ruhle sure being

774
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: more aggressive, even Michigan kind of in that same general footprint.

775
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: It's it's difficult. It's it's difficult to be a Big

776
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: Ten team and know that that side of the conference

777
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: divisions are going away, but just know that the conference

778
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: as a whole is probably getting better. Teams in the

779
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: West that you could once count on for wins or

780
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: to not do as much in the recruiting game are

781
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: now getting more aggressive. And you know that that puts

782
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the vice a little bit on PJ. Fleck to try

783
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: and make things work. He has been aggressive in the

784
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: portal again, brought in eleven guys. That's not to say

785
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: any of your superstars. I do think what they did

786
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: at receiver is really interesting and that could be fun

787
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: to watch, but.

788
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: Maybe it's hard to it's hard to attract those portal receivers.

789
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: If you're saying, come play in this system where you

790
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: can block a lot, that's tough. That's tough. And so

791
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: if they want to be that destination, I think you

792
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta show.

793
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Texas.

794
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: A and M.

795
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: But play that sound first, please, Yeah, Brother five and

796
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: seven last year for A and M, and we're talking

797
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: about ten wins. Man again, context is really important with

798
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: A and M.

799
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about ten wins because they've been the

800
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: eight win program. They have been the eight win program.

801
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher was brought in to make them a ten

802
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: win program, make them a contender.

803
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: Sure.

804
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: The important context that we should add about A and M,

805
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: at least over the short term the last two seasons is,

806
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: despite the infusion of talent, the historic infusion of talent

807
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: that we saw with the twenty twenty two class, AM

808
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: has been very unlucky on the injury front. They were

809
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: really beat up two years ago. The hope was that

810
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: they'd be a little luckier last season.

811
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: They weren't.

812
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: Both Max Johnson and Haines King got hurt. If anything

813
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: good came from that, it's that they found Connor Wegman

814
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: who threw eight touchdowns to no interceptions. He figures to

815
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: be the guy now moving forward. But even like a

816
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Naya Smith going down for the year that was such

817
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: a big boss because of how versatile he was in

818
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: the offense.

819
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: The line was beat up.

820
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Some guys went down for the year, even Devin h

821
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Chain excuse me, how to boot on by the end

822
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: of the year. So they were as beat up as

823
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: they have ever been. And defense was just as nicked up,

824
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: although they were able to kind of hold that together.

825
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: So you can't chalk the whole thing up to injuries,

826
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: but injuries definitely played a pretty big part in at

827
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: least what we've seen over the last two seasons for

828
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: A and M. The issue that I have with A

829
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: and M is I think it's coaching. Yeah, And I'm

830
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: not any kind of rocket scientists who lay that in

831
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: front of you and ask for your opinion, because, honestly,

832
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: as we've been talking through all of these teams, now

833
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: it comes down to are they getting talent? Minnesota? Are

834
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: they getting talent? Case Date, are they getting talent? We

835
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: talked about Pitt early in the week. Are they getting talent?

836
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: How are they getting talent? What are they doing with

837
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that talent. It's so much been a conversation around how

838
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: are they getting the talent?

839
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: And with A and M.

840
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: It's not that A M is getting the talent. A

841
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: and M has all the pieces that they need. It

842
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: would certainly be helpful to not have all the injuries,

843
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: but on some level, there's really nowhere for Jimbo Fisher

844
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: to hide. And I think that's why we have weird

845
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: discussions about in the off season, should Jimbo be fired

846
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out this year. He's getting the talent,

847
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: he's not producing with that talent, and we need to

848
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: figure out why. Now.

849
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: I think he is trying to figure out why.

850
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: I think he knows it's probably not just a coaching thing,

851
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: but a coaching offense thing, and that's why it brings

852
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: in Bobby Patrino and those Some of the comments have

853
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: been weird here in the off season. I hope he's

854
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: been self aware enough to recognize that they've got to

855
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: modernize things and change it on the offensive side of

856
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: the ball, that what he did at Florida State is

857
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: not working. Not working at A and M, and wasn't

858
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: even work have Florida State before he left, But.

859
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: It just seems seemulate.

860
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: This is such an obvious answer that we didn't need

861
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: a guest to tell us.

862
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: Frankly, I mean, locked Jimbo Fisher out of the offensive

863
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: meeting rooms, turn his headset channel to something else during

864
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: the games. It's that's the answer for Texas A and

865
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: M right now, because yeah, it's not going to be

866
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: a talent acquisition thing. It's not going to be a

867
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Speaker 2: you know, we've spoken to a number of guests and

868
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: they've talked about, oh, it's a yeah, it's an nil thing. Right.

869
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: We talked about West Virginia, we've talked about UCLA, where

870
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: it's just like they can't compete. They're going to lose

871
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: guys to the portal. They're not gonna be able to

872
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: compete on the recruiting trail in the modern era. Not

873
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: true for Texts A and M. It's just not Now.

874
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: What they also need is they need one or both

875
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: of the Mississippi schools to be very bad. Right, They

876
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: probably need some sort of padding within the division for

877
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: as long as there is a division in the SEC,

878
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: So they probably need something like that. Look, they were

879
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: on the edge of the playoff two years ago and

880
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: they did it because they were as complete. They had

881
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: a great defensive coordinator. Jimbo's had a great eye for

882
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators and dj Dirkin and Mike Elco. So that's

883
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: not the issue to me, and they're going to have

884
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: another very strong defensive line. We'll see. They've got a

885
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: lot of young talent elsewhere on defense that's not necessarily

886
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: fully proven, but the lines are good. They've got one

887
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: of the best what three receivers in the conference, maybe

888
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: the country, and Evan Stewart. The best of Evan Stewart

889
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: is pretty incredible. They haven't been able to figure out

890
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: quarterback mixed with Jimbo's offensive philosophy. I'm not going to

891
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: say it's impossible for them to make that move to

892
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: ten and three and nine and two, because kind of

893
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, have a

894
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: decent quarterback, rush the quarterback decently, and they looks like

895
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: they're on that path, but their own scheduling path is

896
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: always going to be such that, like, they can't lose

897
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: the fifty to fifty games, and they definitely can't shoot

898
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: themselves in the foot in one of those games and survive,

899
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: right That to me is the issue with tex A

900
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Speaker 2: and M that when they have these winnable games, be

901
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: it against one of the Mississippi schools, one of you know, LSU,

902
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: these back and forth, that it can't be Jimbo making

903
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: big offensive decisions. It just can't be. And so that's

904
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: the issue to me, because look, they've had full on

905
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: star power on both sides of the ball these past

906
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: few years. Now, it's just an issue of constructing a

907
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: game plan and being aggressive throughout the game, noticing what's working,

908
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: noticing what's not working, leaning in, having that counter, having

909
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: that outpitch, whatever you want to call it, and for

910
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: a stretch when you know it was with the twenty

911
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: twenty COVID year they go nine to one. They've got

912
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: star power at running back, right, they're riding the running

913
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: game and it's working really well. Kellen mond Is, it

914
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: leads decent outside of that, but you're talking next ten

915
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: wins consistently in the SEC West means quarterback, rushing the quarterback.

916
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Everything else is just smart decisions in game, get out

917
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Speaker 2: of the way and enjoy the ws. That's it. So

918
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: I'd put it at a twenty seven percent chance of happening,

919
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: just because it's hard to change track record when you

920
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: have so many data points now, but I can see

921
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Speaker 2: a universe in which Texas say and that makes that leap.

922
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean the Patrino thing is interesting because

923
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Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about the highest moral character guy,

924
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: but among other things, he was known for being an

925
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: offensive guru, and he was known for being adaptable, and

926
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Speaker 1: that is something that Jimbo, this version of the Jimbo

927
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: offense has not so much been so for Patrino. Whether

928
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: it was Lamar Jackson or Brian bram he was able

929
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: to figure out what those guys did well and make

930
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: the offense hum around it. On the Jimbo side, I mean,

931
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: just take last year. I use this example before a

932
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: couple months ago. But in the game last year against

933
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: app State, Haines King was something like thirteen of twenty

934
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Speaker 1: for ninety seven yards. He was under pressure only three

935
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Speaker 1: three times and twenty four dropbacks. They didn't blitz them

936
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Speaker 1: at all. They didn't blitz them at all, and he

937
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Speaker 1: had that stat line. He also fumbled twice and look,

938
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Speaker 1: Haynes's King. We can have a discussion about Haines King,

939
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: but Jimbo loved Haines King. If that was the best

940
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Speaker 1: he could do. After being then two years in the offense,

941
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: it tells you that too much was going on, that

942
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Speaker 1: too much was going on.

943
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Speaker 2: I mean it was hurt for the hurt one of

944
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: those years.

945
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he's hurt, but he still is around the offense

946
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: and he still knew what was supposed to be going on.

947
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: It just seemed like there was so much happening. You

948
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: hear it often about an offense or a defensive scheme

949
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: that there's so much happening that players have to think

950
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: they can't react. They're not just they're not just going

951
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: from muscle memory. And it seems like a lot of

952
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: that was going on for A and M last season

953
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Speaker 1: and the season prior.

954
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: So they get away from that.

955
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: If Petrino can simplify things, if you can make the

956
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: most of the athleticism that's out there, I think they'll

957
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: be in a better place and I think they stand

958
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: to maybe gain immediately. I take what you're saying, and

959
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: I think you're right about it's hard to kind of

960
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: switch very quickly and make things better very quickly, but

961
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: simplifying can have that effect if he's able to do

962
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: it effectively. Now, there have been some weird comments about

963
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: how hands off Jimbo will be with respect to that offense.

964
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: We will see.

965
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: That's one of the great unknowns going into the twenty

966
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: three season. But Petrino's got track record, he's a good

967
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: offensive coach, and we'll see if he can do it here.

968
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: How many teams right now in college football have ten

969
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: win talent and just have not won ten? Right? How

970
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: many teams when you look across the landscape, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

971
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: they've recruited well enough. You can see that they have

972
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: dudes at this position group, dudes at this position group.

973
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: They have game changers here. Their lines are solid, and

974
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: they've got rotational guys that are solid and don't ever

975
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: ever meet the moment that they just like, if Texas

976
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: A and M only loses two more talented teams, they'll

977
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: go ten and two every year. Because right now, that's

978
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: probably just LSU. I don't have the metric in front

979
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: of me. When you have the composite level in front

980
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: of you. Is it just LSU and Bama within the division? Probably?

981
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: I know they play other teams, but in the East,

982
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: it's probably just Georgia has a better roster in terms

983
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: of where they were as recruits. So that's all they

984
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: have to do is simply out talent and not lose

985
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: winnable games, and they get there. They ascend. Now easier

986
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: said than done, But you talk to any A and

987
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: M fan and you can bring up at least one

988
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: game every season where it will cause them to collapse

989
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: upon themselves, that they will implode thinking about oh that

990
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: year's Mississippi State game, Oh, that year's app State game,

991
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Oh that year's Old miss game, Oh that year's LSU game.

992
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: Not just losing to a better team, but cause them

993
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: to emotionally implode.

994
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Right in, got to get past that, right Let us

995
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: know on social media on Twitter at solid verbo, Yeah, Facebook, Instagram,

996
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: soliverbal at gmail dot com. If you prefer the old email,

997
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: let us know what we got right, what we got wrong.

998
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Next week, we will be shifting gears and we will

999
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: be examining schedules conference by conference, started putting our little

1000
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: matrix together from the weirdos that brought you the gumpiness

1001
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: of Texas Tech last season.

1002
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: We will be.

1003
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: Looking for that again as we go through each of

1004
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: these conferences. We'll start in the SEC next week and

1005
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: we'll be giving you a detailed schedule breakdown what to

1006
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: look for, what not to look for. That'll feed nicely

1007
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: into our over under discussion at some points a couple

1008
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: of weeks. But I'm gonna start breaking down schedules, Dan,

1009
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: it's actually starting to feel real now the twenty three season.

1010
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: Can't wait, We're gonna have to issue some sort of

1011
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: glossary ahead of time. You let down look ahead sandwich

1012
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: is pretty self evident. But yeah, we like getting into gumpy. Also,

1013
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: by the way, with A and M and I looked

1014
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: at this with all of our teams as we conclude

1015
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: this eight to ten win or you know, six to eight,

1016
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: eight to ten whatever. Quarterback history is incredible looking at

1017
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: these schools because there's a reason, right, there's a reason

1018
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: why these schools where you're like, wait, okay, so we've

1019
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: got Nick Starkle, Zach Calzada, Trevor Knight, Kenny Hill, and

1020
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: then you start thinking about, okay, Texas, A and M

1021
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: is probably already recruiting like a twenty twenty five quarterback, right,

1022
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five quarterback is born in again, help

1023
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: me with my math here. Two thousand and eight, Oh god,

1024
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: so two thousand and eight. If they're born in eight

1025
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty five, they'll be seventeen. Yes, does my

1026
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: Matt check out there? He mass checks out. Yeah, that

1027
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: means they were four years old when Johnny Manziel was thriving.

1028
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: So they're almost so we're talking about no. I mean,

1029
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: this is I'm bringing it back full circle. Was just

1030
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: like you want your recruits to remember watching your most

1031
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: recent startquarterback or whatever position. But in Texas A and

1032
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: M's case, that's their bright shining star above all bright

1033
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: shining stars. And now we're aging out of recruits having

1034
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. Look, they can watch on YouTube obviously,

1035
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: but that's an interesting thing with a place like Texas

1036
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: A and M and all these most of these schools

1037
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: that we're talking about have struggled to find a guy

1038
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: at quarterback, which is why we're talking about them. But

1039
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: I didn't quite do that math until I went back

1040
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: and looked at their quarterback history. And just like man

1041
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: Kenny Hill transfers, Kyle Allen didn't work out, Kyler Murray

1042
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: didn't work out, and they you know, Trevor Knight, Nick

1043
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: starkle Zach Halzada because of injury, Kellen Mond who Kella

1044
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: Mond was fine. Yeah, But like are there guys from

1045
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five class saying Ever since I saw

1046
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Kellen Mond, I knew I wanted to be an aggie,

1047
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: Maybe it seems unlikely.

1048
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: All right, stop back next week, we're going to talk schedules.

1049
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1050
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,120
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1057
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Speaker 1: us here for the long haul. You got a long

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Speaker 1: ways to go before the season starts, about one hundred

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Speaker 1: week at least for the foreseeable future. At some point

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Speaker 1: switching up to three week as we get into team

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Speaker 1: previews and things of that ilk the season will be

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Speaker 1: here before you know it can't wait. If you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the show while you're doing dishes, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being so thorough. If you're listening to the show at

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Speaker 1: the gym, don't skip any reps. If it's leg day,

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Speaker 1: just push through. If you're working on your chest, you know,

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Speaker 1: really really dig deep. If you're listening to the show

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Speaker 1: while going for a walk with a pop you know,

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Speaker 1: give them an extra little rub on the head I

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Speaker 1: don't know where else with people. If you're listening on

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Speaker 1: a flight, I don't know, take some time to look

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Speaker 1: out the window while listening to the show. Nothing like

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Speaker 1: a good array of cumulus clouds. Tie you Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're if you're mowing the lawn,

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Speaker 1: be thorough nothing like a great lawn.

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Speaker 2: Tie yeah. And congratulations on just multitasking with multi Ti

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Speaker 2: Hill le Brant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, Tie hilding Brand, Thanks for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 1: playing along at home, or doing an off topic baseball

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Speaker 1: show by the way at Verball this week, stop on by,

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Speaker 1: join the fun.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to y'all soon. Stay solid, Peace,