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Speaker 1: a Sunday This week the best of the Colin Coward

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Speaker 1: Podcast Huge Week. Two time NBA champ Chris Bosh talks

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Speaker 1: about balancing the egos of the Heat's Big three and

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Speaker 1: how he really felt when Lebron left Miami. Former Steeler

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, and why he thinks Tebow actually makes

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Speaker 1: sense in Jacksonville. Ethan Strouse of The Athletic on a

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Speaker 1: fascinating trend in the NBA ratings. It's not bad, it's

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Speaker 1: just interesting. And Chad Moment of the Action Network and

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Speaker 1: I discuss our picks for the NBA playoffs. But first

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Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. I get a little

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Speaker 1: pushback on Tebow and one of the criticisms I here

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Speaker 1: is Colin tim Tebow was offered an opportunity to play

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Speaker 1: tight end for Jacksonville. Of course he should accept it. Now,

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Speaker 1: what you're telling me is that every time you get

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Speaker 1: an offer in life, you should accept it. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask anybody listening, do you accept every offer? If the

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Speaker 1: answer is yes, you don't get a lot of offers

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Speaker 1: or have a lot of options in life. Do you

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Speaker 1: know how many commercials on the volume I will turn

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Speaker 1: down cannabis commercials. I could take them, money goes into

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Speaker 1: my pocket. There's nothing my corporate partners Fox or iHeart

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Speaker 1: could do, but I turn it down despite really good money,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think it's good for my relationship with

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Speaker 1: that ilk the idea that I have to take every

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Speaker 1: tweets and Instagram I'm not the only talk show host

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Speaker 1: that turns down stuff. Don't you turn down offers in

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Speaker 1: your life? Do you take every offer? Tim Tebow, eight

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Speaker 1: years out of the league, knows that Jacksonville going forward

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Speaker 1: will be based on the success of Trevor Lawrence, a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. Tim's not naive. He knows how hard it

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Speaker 1: is to be a rookie quarterback, the focus and attention

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Speaker 1: you need. Tebow also knows Jacksonville is the number one

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow market in America. Tim Tebow doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: self awareness to go you know what, I'm a long

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Speaker 1: shot to make the team. This is probably not great

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Speaker 1: for a rookie quarterback. He doesn't need the distractions. Tim

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Speaker 1: Tebow is a net worth over ten million. I would

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Speaker 1: guess close to twenty five million. He doesn't need a

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Speaker 1: third or fourth string end salary. And don't tell me

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the self awareness to know he'd be

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Speaker 1: a distraction. Tim isn't naive. Tebo Mania is a brand.

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Speaker 1: He chose the New York Jets over Jacksonville to elevate

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Speaker 1: his brand. Look it up. The idea that Tim has

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Speaker 1: to take this job because he was offered is selfish

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Speaker 1: and if you do accept every offer in your life,

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Speaker 1: it only tells me you don't get many offers and

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Speaker 1: you don't have other options. So I don't buy this

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Speaker 1: tebo naivete bullshit for a second. Tim's about Tim, He

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Speaker 1: always has been. Tebo Mania is a brand, It's lucrative,

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Speaker 1: and it jacks up his speaking engagement price the more

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Speaker 1: he's in the news. Listen, the NBA playoffs haveo has

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Speaker 1: been great, and the playoffs in general, they unveil the truth.

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Speaker 1: And I've been saying this for weeks on Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: In the regular season, playing hard win you forty five games.

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Speaker 1: That is a big edge. You see a lot of

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Speaker 1: these veteran teams resting stars, a lot of these top seeds,

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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee's, Miami Phoenix, Utah resting players. I mean, Donovan

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Speaker 1: Mitchell didn't play the last two weeks of the regular

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Speaker 1: playoffs and guys play hurt, and guys play more often,

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Speaker 1: and everybody plays hard, and so the number one Nicks advantage,

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Speaker 1: getting to the second round. So the Knicks are a

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Speaker 1: big market, meaning you know, can the Knicks get a

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Speaker 1: let's get to Chris Bosh. You talk in the book

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Speaker 1: about there's a difference between ego and confidence, and when

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Speaker 1: What was the balancing act like with you, Lebron and

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Speaker 1: Brian is the number one option. Dwayne said that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: like hired gun. I'm here. When did it feel different?

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Speaker 1: You know. I watched Mike win it with my own

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Speaker 1: really bad for the league. So the Western Conference, if

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Speaker 1: it's Utah Milwaukee, these will be the lowest ratings non

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Speaker 1: bubble in the history of the sport in at least

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Speaker 1: the last thirty years. And it's interesting you brought up

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Speaker 1: something that I had never thought of. You went back

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Speaker 1: and looked at the local television ratings, your callum for

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Speaker 1: the athletic, and tell people who did not read it

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Speaker 1: what you found. It doesn't shock me. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: about it, but you examined what is clearly the case

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Speaker 1: where fans appreciate loyalty. They do. They do, and no

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Speaker 1: matter how many segments on the ESPN where they're being

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Speaker 1: lectured about how great it is that players are changing

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Speaker 1: teams and pursuing their individuality, no matter how many times

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Speaker 1: that happens, the fact remains. People like it. They like

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Speaker 1: when a team drafts a player, when they get to

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Speaker 1: know that player and the player grows up before their eyes.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at the local ratings, the recent

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Speaker 1: report by the Sports Business Journal very interesting. You'd look

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Speaker 1: at the top six, what do you see in the

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Speaker 1: top six? Number one Stephen the Warriors, even as a

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Speaker 1: team that didn't make the playoffs, they have the best

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Speaker 1: rate right in basketball locally. And it's not one of

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Speaker 1: those markets, by the way. I mean, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get two to rail talking about Steph's drawing power,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's crazy in a kind of big market,

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Speaker 1: big city action. This isn't a Cleveland. This isn't a

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, you know, but they have the best ratings.

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Speaker 1: And among them the Blazers, the Jazz, the Bucks, and

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Speaker 1: the Spurs, who don't have a drafted superstared building around,

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Speaker 1: but they've got the familiarity Popovich. And I might be

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Speaker 1: missing one other that also has a drafted superstar in there.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is that five of the top

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Speaker 1: six most watch teams locally are built through the draft.

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Speaker 1: They're not built through getting some mercenaries who come on over.

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Speaker 1: And then conversely, you've got the Clippers, and you've got

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Speaker 1: the Nets with all their talent in the bottom five

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Speaker 1: local rates. Wow, And you might say, and you might say, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: their little brother, the Lakers aren't in the top ten

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Speaker 1: coming off a championship, defending champions. So look, LA appreciates Lebron,

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Speaker 1: they appreciate Anthony Davis, but they don't love those guys

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Speaker 1: like they loved Kobe Bryant. And not only can we

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Speaker 1: just say that, and it's all very subjective, but you

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Speaker 1: can see it in the numbers. So David Stern knew this.

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Speaker 1: He knew this. He wanted players to play for these

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Speaker 1: teams for a long time. And it's a balancing act

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Speaker 1: because you can't end free agency. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: that's morally defensible, even if it was impractical, But it's

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Speaker 1: definitely something the NBA SHO seek to encourage because that connection,

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Speaker 1: that connection between player and team and market is a

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Speaker 1: real thing, and it has real consequences when the connection

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Speaker 1: is broken. So I grew up with parents. I've been

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Speaker 1: working since I was like sixteen, never had a year off,

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Speaker 1: and I've never owned a second car. I don't waste money.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't until I was fifty five years old. I

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Speaker 1: joined a country club, mostly because it gave me other

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Speaker 1: things along with it, access to some workout facilities and

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Speaker 1: restaurants in a place in Utah. I don't have a boat.

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Speaker 1: I have one pair of golf clubs. I never want

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Speaker 1: to be that guy that embarrasses himself as he gets

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Speaker 1: older and you know, drives around in fancy cars and

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Speaker 1: a hair piece. You know, I want to be somewhat authentic.

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00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: But I've got to ask Millman, because I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about this. I made a good living, very good living,

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Speaker 1: and I don't really do anything that would be bougie.

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Speaker 1: But I am strongly considering something, and I thought about this.

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Speaker 1: What would my parents say sixty years ago if I

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Speaker 1: told them I've hired a lady twice a week to

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Speaker 1: walk my dogs. Is that pathetic? I'm busy, I've got fox,

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Speaker 1: I've got the volume, I've got kids. I work out

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Speaker 1: like forty five minutes for both dogs twice a week.

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Speaker 1: Or does that sound just inexcusably apathetic. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to talk to Millment about this because I'm really struggling

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Speaker 1: with it. I don't have boats, I don't have second cars,

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Speaker 1: I don't go on crazy vacations. I don't have any jewelry.

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Speaker 1: I don't wear a watch. I don't spend money on

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Speaker 1: anything other than betting and winning NBA NFL bets. But

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Speaker 1: I am considering hiring somebody to twice a week walk

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Speaker 1: my dogs because the volume keeps me busy. So right

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00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: now you can't see them, but I'm talking to a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys at the volume. I'm looking at three guys. Guys,

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Speaker 1: raise your hand if it's pathetic or reasonable. Pathetic, raise

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Speaker 1: your hand. Got a semi raised hand, I'll fully raised.

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Speaker 1: He went all the way, all right. Chad Millman, Chief

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Speaker 1: Content Officer of the Action Network joins us. Is it douche?

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Speaker 1: I don't own a second car, I have no jewelry,

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Speaker 1: I don't own a boat. I grew up with frugal parents.

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Speaker 1: I tend to be a saver half of my income

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Speaker 1: if I can. I am considering hiring a twice a

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Speaker 1: week dog walker because I'm busy. Do she or not? Douche, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's not do she. That's called managing your life in

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Speaker 1: the most effective way possible. Do she is you decide?

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how to sail. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: afraid of the water. But I make so much money,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go buy the biggest boat I can

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Speaker 1: possibly buy, leave it in the dock, and then just

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00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: invite friends O to have a drink. Getting a dog

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Speaker 1: walker twice a week that's a matter of running your

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Speaker 1: life efficiently. But my parents. Can you imagine telling your

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Speaker 1: parents sixty years ago, y'all hired somebody. I pay him

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00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: pretty good money to walk my dog. There's so many

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Speaker 1: things you can't imagine saying to your parents sixty years

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Speaker 1: ago that we do today that I can't use that

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Speaker 1: as like the barometer for why I would or would

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Speaker 1: not do things like sixty years ago, if I had

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Speaker 1: said to my parents, perfect, perfect example. Colin, perfect example.

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Speaker 1: As we have often discussed, you left ESPN to go

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Speaker 1: to Fox. I left ESPN to help launch the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: When I was taking this job, the job was located

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Speaker 1: in New York City, and my wife and I my

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Speaker 1: wife is from New York. We had lived outside New

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Speaker 1: York before. I had gone to take over as editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of the magazine at ESPN and moved to Connecticut. Right,

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Speaker 1: so we were thinking, wow, this will be great. We're

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Speaker 1: going to move back to New York City or the

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Speaker 1: suburbs of New York. My older son at the time

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Speaker 1: was fourteen, was just starting high school, and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: have fun in New York, but I'm staying in West Herford.

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Speaker 1: And so we decided I would go to New York

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Speaker 1: two to three days a week and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the family stadium was Herford. He went to high school here.

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Speaker 1: It was perfectly happy. Can you imagine sixty years ago,

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Speaker 1: the older son getting to decide where the family lives

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Speaker 1: because the father has a new job that is potentially

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Speaker 1: more lucrative than better for the overall family. No, that

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00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: would never happen. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, my

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00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: dad would have said, Well, my dad wasn't around much anyway,

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00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: so not a different story. Yeah, but any most dads

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Speaker 1: who were around would say, I don't care what you think.

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Speaker 1: I am the boss of his family. This is what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. Have you ever done anything though? Like I

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Speaker 1: bought a boat in Portland briefly because we had a

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Speaker 1: place by the well Lambt River, and I went on

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: it twice and I got a job at ESPN and

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00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: I had to sell the boat and I lost some money.

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: And I really looked at that, and I really thought

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Speaker 1: to myself, boy, you thought you were a big shot,

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00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: had to have a boat? Guy burned lost a bunch

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00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars. Have you ever done one of those?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, have I ever done one of those?

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00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: What's the biggest pay of money of your life? Well,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you one that's even that's even recent,

567
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: which isn't a huge waste of money, but it's contextual,

568
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: which is you know, everybody was talking about Top Shot

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Speaker 1: right about maybe late February, early March. Top Shot those

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00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: those basketball cards that are NFTs. So I'm like, oh

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: my god, I'm missing out on top shot, I gotta

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00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: do it, and like in that range, we knew we

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Speaker 1: were in the process of potentially selling this company, so

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00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: I was more willing to like make stupid financial decisions

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: on the bet that this thing might come through. And

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00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: so everyone's buying top shot. I had tried to buy

577
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Speaker 1: three or four of them and kept getting shut out,

578
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Speaker 1: like either the site shut down in the middle of

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Speaker 1: my bid, or one of the things I wanted got

580
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: priced out way too high. And I was just feeling

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00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: impulsive and angry that I wasn't getting a piece of

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Speaker 1: this sort of hot new market, and so I bought

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Speaker 1: a It was before the All Star votes were cat

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Speaker 1: were finalized, and the prices are in a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys who were speculator who was speculating might make the

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Speaker 1: All Star team. They were starting to go up, and

587
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's the top shot that I can buy

588
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: that if he makes the All Star Team, it's going

589
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: to explode. I spent six hundred and fifty dollars on

590
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: a Demontis Sabonis top Shot No joke. It is now

591
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: being sold. He made the All Star Team, won the

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Speaker 1: skills competition. I'm running around the house. I'm like, oh,

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00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: my god, my top SHOT's going to explode. My kid

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Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, Dad, you're a genius. I

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: think it's selling for fifty bucks right now. Well that's

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00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: that was an economic decision that will cost you dearly

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. So, yes, it happens. So

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Speaker 1: I like the Bucks over the Nets. But here's the thing.

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00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: There are different odds for the Bucks winning in a

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Speaker 1: sweep four to one, four to two, four to three.

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Speaker 1: I'll take the Bucks over the Nets on FanDuel, Okay,

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00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: Action Network. What's the best bet if I which I am,

603
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: am a guy that likes to bet, but I need

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00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: guidance of all the lines in this series because my

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00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: feeling is it's Bucks win four to three. But that's

606
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: probably not the best odds. What are the sharpest odds

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00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: if I like the Bucks. If you like the Bucks,

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00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I will tell you sometimes the best decision is to

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00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: wait because these things change so frequently. Now, in that

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: first game, the Nets are going to be the team

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Speaker 1: that is favored. They are going to be the team

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: that is home. If you like the Bucks and the

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Speaker 1: Bucks end up coming out, they have one of those

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00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Bucks games right where they don't shoot well, where Jannis

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00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: is playing out of control and the Nets have all

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Speaker 1: three guys playing at full strength in the exact way

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00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be playing. They could they could destroy

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Speaker 1: the Bucks in that first game, then you were going

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: to get such better odds the series. And so you

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Speaker 1: got to think, like betting on series is fascinating and

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Speaker 1: a lot of professional betters do it because they do

622
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: like the interplay, like they will have an opinion going in,

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Speaker 1: and maybe you take a little taste on the Bucks

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00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: right now, right, maybe you like the Bucks to win

625
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: the series. Maybe you like the Bucks to win in seven,

626
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: so you can make that bet. There's probably odds on

627
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Speaker 1: the Bucks to win in seven. You could also take

628
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: a little taste on the Bucks to win outright. But

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Speaker 1: if you want to go big, let this thing play

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00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: out a little bit, and then what happens is as

631
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: it goes on, you can start doubling down on certain

632
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: games where you think the Bucks have the biggest advantage,

633
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: or you can hedge if you feel like you've overinvested

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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: on the Bucks and it's not looking as good as

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Speaker 1: you think, you can buy back by betting on the

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Speaker 1: Nets in certain games. So the betting on the series

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Speaker 1: is a fascinating way to do it, and it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, to your point, I'll take Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: Game one, Nets in the series or are Bucks in

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Speaker 1: the series? That's interesting? Now the other series which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I like the Sons over the Nuggets. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: think that's the best bet. I think the Suns are

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Speaker 1: better and healthier. They were better in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: I think they're too Yokich dominant. I mean, Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be great, he just has to be

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Speaker 1: on the floor. And Phoenix is fine. Your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the Sun's Nugget series. The Nuggets are plus one seventy two.

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Speaker 1: The such Sons are minus two fifteen. I like Phoenix

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Speaker 1: in this series. Your thoughts, Yeah, I like I like

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Speaker 1: Phoenix too. To me, the Sun's getting past the Lakers

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Speaker 1: was the biggest obstacle. Yeah, because it was as much

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Speaker 1: mental as it was capability on the court. And when

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Speaker 1: you get Chris Paul injured and then he placed his

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Speaker 1: way back through the series and he is clearly totally

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Speaker 1: healthy now against the Nuggets. You think about the matchups

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton against Yokich. Obviously Yokich has the advantage, but

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Speaker 1: at so many other positions the Sons have the advantage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, am I Austin Rivers, or am I Chris Paul,

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Speaker 1: am I the number two guard on the Nuggets, Or

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Speaker 1: am I Devin Booker. Like that's where you start to

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Speaker 1: think about, Oh, yeah, of course the Sun should be favored.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Sun's advancing to the conference finals

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Speaker 1: is going to be fascinating because I woke up this

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Speaker 1: morning and I'm like, I think the sounds could come

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Speaker 1: out of the West. That wraps it up for the week.

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