WEBVTT - Snow White

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. This episode discusses sensitive topics. Please listen

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<v Speaker 1>with care. My name is Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Dark Woods. Today's story is at U seven O

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<v Speaker 1>nine or snow White.

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<v Speaker 2>Once upon a time in midwinter, when the snowflakes were

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<v Speaker 2>falling like feathers from heaven, a queen sat sewing at

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<v Speaker 2>her window, which had a frame of black ebony wood.

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<v Speaker 2>As she sewed, she looked up at the snow and

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<v Speaker 2>pricked her finger with the needle. Three drops of blood

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<v Speaker 2>fell into the snow. The red on the white looked

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<v Speaker 2>so beautiful that she thought to herself, if only I

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<v Speaker 2>had a child as white as snow, as red as blood,

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<v Speaker 2>and as black as the wood in this frame. Soon

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards she had a little daughter who was as white

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<v Speaker 2>as snow, as red as blood, and as black as

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<v Speaker 2>ebony wood. And therefore they called her little snow White.

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon as the child was born, the queen died.

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<v Speaker 2>A year later, the king took himself another wife. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a beautiful woman, but she was proud and arrogant,

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<v Speaker 2>and she could not stand it if anyone might surpass

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<v Speaker 2>her in beauty. She had a magic mirror. Every morning

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<v Speaker 2>she stood before it, looked at herself and said, mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest

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<v Speaker 2>of all? To this the mirror answered you, my Queen,

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<v Speaker 2>are fairest of all. Then she was satisfied, for she

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<v Speaker 2>knew that the mirror spoke the truth. Snow White grew

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<v Speaker 2>up and became ever more beautiful. When she was seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old, she was as beautiful as the light of day,

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<v Speaker 2>even more beautiful than the Queen herself. One day, when

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen asked her mirror, nearer, nearer on the wall,

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<v Speaker 2>who in this land is fairest of all? It answered you,

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<v Speaker 2>my Queen, are fair, It's true, But snow White is

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand times fairer than you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Queen took.

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<v Speaker 2>Fright and turned yellow and green with envy. From that

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<v Speaker 2>hour on, whenever she looked at snow White, her heart

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<v Speaker 2>turned over inside her body. So great was her hatred

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<v Speaker 2>for the girl.

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<v Speaker 1>The envy and.

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<v Speaker 2>Pride grew even greater, like a weed in her heart,

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<v Speaker 2>until she had no peace day and night. Then she

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<v Speaker 2>summoned the huntsman and said to him, take snow White

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<v Speaker 2>into the woods. I never want to see her again.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill her, and as proof that she is dead, bring

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<v Speaker 2>her lungs and her liver back to me. The huntsman

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<v Speaker 2>obeyed and took snow White into the woods. He took

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<v Speaker 2>out his hunting knife and was about to stab it

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<v Speaker 2>into her innocent heart when she began to cry, saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>dear huntsmand, let me live. I will run into the

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<v Speaker 2>wild woods and never come back. Because she was so beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>the huntsman took pity on her and said, run away,

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<v Speaker 2>you poor child. He thought the wild animals will soon

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<v Speaker 2>devour you anyway. But still it was as if a

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<v Speaker 2>stone had fallen from his heart, for he would not

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<v Speaker 2>have to kill her. Just then, a young boar came

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<v Speaker 2>running by. He killed it, cut out its lungs and liver,

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<v Speaker 2>and took them back to the queen As proof of

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<v Speaker 2>snow White's death.

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<v Speaker 1>The cook had to boil.

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<v Speaker 2>Them with salt, and the wicked woman ate them, supposing

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<v Speaker 2>that she had eaten snow whites lungs and liver.

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<v Speaker 1>As a kid, I always had short hair. If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being honest, It was a bowl cut. It was downright awful,

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<v Speaker 1>but I loved the feeling of getting my hair cut.

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<v Speaker 1>So every time my mother, who loved to keep her

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<v Speaker 1>hair short, got her hair trimmed, so did I, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is why whenever my friends and I played princess,

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<v Speaker 1>they always stuck me with snow White, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>looked absolutely nothing like her. Although snow White has different

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<v Speaker 1>versions across the globe, there are two real life people

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<v Speaker 1>the story may be based on. In nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>German historian Eckered Xander published his book snow White, Is

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<v Speaker 1>It a fairy Tale? He said snow White was based

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<v Speaker 1>on Philip the forces daughter. Born in fifteen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the German countess was named Marguerite von Waldeck. When she

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<v Speaker 1>turned sixteen, her stepmother, Katharina of Hotsfeld, forced her to

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<v Speaker 1>move to wild Yfe and Brussels. Von Waldock fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with Prince Philip, who would later become King Philip

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<v Speaker 1>the Second of Spain, but her father and stepmother disapproved

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<v Speaker 1>of their relationship for political reasons, and then at twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>von Waldeck died from poison. According to Sander, historical accounts

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<v Speaker 1>say the King of Spain might have sent Spanish agent

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<v Speaker 1>to murder the young woman. Doctor Claudia Schwabe is a

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<v Speaker 1>German professor from Utah, State University. She says, von Waldeck

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<v Speaker 1>knew she was going to die, and that's why she

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<v Speaker 1>wrote her will.

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<v Speaker 3>By the handwriting, you could see how trembling, how shaky

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<v Speaker 3>her hand was. And then there was a book of

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<v Speaker 3>death I don't know how you call it in Wildungen,

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<v Speaker 3>where she was from, and the mayor wrote in there

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<v Speaker 3>that she was poisoned. So that information we do have,

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<v Speaker 3>but it just shows you how some times fairy tales

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<v Speaker 3>are really very close to life. And I'm sure Margharitavonvaldek

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<v Speaker 3>is not the only aristocratic woman that ever happened to right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure this happened throughout time in many different cultures

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<v Speaker 3>that we have a scenarios that very much resemble a

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<v Speaker 3>fairy tale story. But it just shows you that fairy

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<v Speaker 3>tales are just like stories that life rights.

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<v Speaker 1>The second woman snow White might be based off is

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<v Speaker 1>Maria Sophia von Earthel. Fabulology is fairytale science. A fabulology

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<v Speaker 1>group did a study on Laura Bavaria, and that group

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<v Speaker 1>says von Earthel was born June fifteenth, seventeen twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father, Prince Philip Christophon Earthel, was an eighteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>landowner married to Baroness von Bettendorf. After the Baroness died,

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<v Speaker 1>her father remarried Claudia Elizabeth Maria von Venningen, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the Countess of Reichenstein. Based on a letter, Claudia didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like her stepchildren, but that's the only evidence of her

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with her stepkids. Mirror's maid in Lare were considered

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<v Speaker 1>able to speak or tell the truth because they were

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<v Speaker 1>made so well they showed clear reflections. They also had

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<v Speaker 1>inscriptions on them. Today, the magic Mirror is displayed at

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<v Speaker 1>the von Earthel Castle, which is now referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>the Lore Castle and has been turned into a museum.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what doctor Schwabe says about von Earthel.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say straight away from the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>So the whole story with Maria Sophia von Erta, that

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<v Speaker 3>was a hoax invented by a pharmacist called Karl Heinz

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<v Speaker 3>Bartels and it was a big hoax. And he came

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<v Speaker 3>up with a nonsense word for doing fairytale archaeology. He

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<v Speaker 3>called it fabu lology. And then the city officials they

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<v Speaker 3>decided to use this for profit for tourism, so they

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<v Speaker 3>could attract tourists to their town of Lore and then

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<v Speaker 3>tell them this story of the aristocratic woman who once lived.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, this is all a hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, it was all made up for money. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>von Earth was real, but the details of her story

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<v Speaker 1>don't match up. There are many inconsistencies. Still, many believe

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<v Speaker 1>that von Earthel could be an inspiration for Snow White,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was reinforced after her grave was uncovered in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. But back to von Waldeck, doctor Schwabe says

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<v Speaker 1>she and the Grim snow White had more similarities.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, my Garreta Vonvaldek had blonde hair, and now

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<v Speaker 3>you might say snow White had dark hair black hair. However,

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<v Speaker 3>in the very first unpublished version of the Grims, called

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<v Speaker 3>the Uhlenbergam Manuscript, they actually wrote that snow White had

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<v Speaker 3>blonde hair. The Waldek family owned several copper mines in

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<v Speaker 3>the northern Hessan regions, and eckert Sunder found out that

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<v Speaker 3>they employed children in these copper minds, children who wore

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<v Speaker 3>special headgear to protect them from rocks falling down. And

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<v Speaker 3>when they came out of the copper mines, it must

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<v Speaker 3>have looked like what we imagined dwarfs to look like.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, historian ECKERD. Standers believes the Poisoned Apple from snow

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<v Speaker 1>White was based on a true story of a man

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<v Speaker 1>giving kids poisoned apples kids he thought were stealing from him.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's hard to believe one woman could inspire the

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<v Speaker 1>story of snow White when she pops up in stories

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<v Speaker 1>around the world time and time again. As I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>snow White stories can be found all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>They might not have a magic mirror, but all stories

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<v Speaker 1>have the same setup. A family member envies a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>young woman who is put into a suspended sleep. Mercina

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<v Speaker 1>is a Greek tale where the sun declares three times

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest of three sisters is the most beautiful, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes her two older sisters jealous. Nori Hadig is a

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<v Speaker 1>story from Armenia where the mother asks the moon who

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<v Speaker 1>is the prettiest in all the world. In the epic

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<v Speaker 1>Indian palm pod Novat from fifteen forty, the queen asks

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<v Speaker 1>a truth telling parrot if she or the princess Podmavat

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<v Speaker 1>is more beautiful. There's this epic Indonesian poem titled sayer

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<v Speaker 1>Bit Asari. It's believed to have been written around seventeen fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this story simply because we haven't heard an

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<v Speaker 1>Indonesian story yet, but also because of their depiction of beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eighteenth century, in the Palm, a merchant finds

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<v Speaker 1>a young girl in a basket floating down the river.

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<v Speaker 1>A fish is swimming beside her, and the merchant realizes

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<v Speaker 1>that if you take the fish out of the water,

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<v Speaker 1>then the girl stops breathing. The merchant decides to adopt

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<v Speaker 1>the girl, uses a vase to scoop the fish out

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<v Speaker 1>of the water, and then takes both the girl and

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<v Speaker 1>the fish home. Later, the king of the land marries

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<v Speaker 1>for the second time. The new queen is secretly a witch,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a magic mirror. The queen asks the

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<v Speaker 1>magic mirror who's the prettiest in all the land. Normally

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<v Speaker 1>it says the queen, but this time it says bit Asari,

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<v Speaker 1>whose cheeks are the color of the bill of a

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<v Speaker 1>flying bird, her nose like a jasmine bud, her face

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<v Speaker 1>is like the yellow of an egg, and her teeth

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<v Speaker 1>like a bright pomegranate, which is like a reddish brown.

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<v Speaker 1>The queen brings Bitasari to the palace as a servant.

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<v Speaker 1>She hopes that her beauty will fade, but it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>so the queen decides to burn her face off, but

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<v Speaker 1>when she sets the girl on fire, she doesn't burn

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<v Speaker 1>and the fire is magically extinguished. Bitasari tells the queen

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<v Speaker 1>she can't hurt her that her life is tied to

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<v Speaker 1>a fish at home. So the queen finds the fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she removes it from the base, the girl

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<v Speaker 1>falls down dead. The queen then keeps the fish in

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<v Speaker 1>a locket around her neck. Bitasari's father is devastated. He

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<v Speaker 1>builds a tomb where he lays bit Asari to rest.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, the queen's step son has and having

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<v Speaker 1>visions of Bitasari. He believes he's in love with her.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, he stumbles across the painting of her and

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<v Speaker 1>asks who she is. He's told she has died, and

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<v Speaker 1>he decides to visit her tomb. When he arrives, Bitasari

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<v Speaker 1>wakes up, but she doesn't wake up because of him,

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<v Speaker 1>but because at that moment, the queen is taking a bath,

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<v Speaker 1>and as she bathes, the fish falls out of the

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<v Speaker 1>locket into the water, alive. Bitasari uses that time to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the prince about his stepmother and how she needs

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<v Speaker 1>that fish to live. While Bitasari fills the prince in,

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<v Speaker 1>the queen notices the fish has fallen out of her

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<v Speaker 1>locket and scoops it up to put it back in

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<v Speaker 1>her necklace. Bitasari falls dead again. The step son rushes

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<v Speaker 1>home to confront his stepmother. The two fight, and the

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<v Speaker 1>prince kills the queen and puts the fish back in water.

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<v Speaker 1>That Assari comes back to life, and she and the

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<v Speaker 1>prince Mary. French author Charles Perraut may not have a

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<v Speaker 1>version of snow White, but Italian author John Batiste Basilee

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't disappoint. In sixteen thirty four he published The Young Slave,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not a great title. A baron has a

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<v Speaker 1>younger sister named Celia, and she goes to the garden

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<v Speaker 1>to play games with other young maidens. That day, a

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<v Speaker 1>rose tree has a beautiful new bloom. The maidens make

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<v Speaker 1>a wager to see who can jump over the tree

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<v Speaker 1>without damaging the bloom. All the maidens try to no avail.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was Celia's turn, she jumps over the tree

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<v Speaker 1>but knocks a single leaf off the bloom. She quickly

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<v Speaker 1>swallows the leaf before anyone notices. With her deception, she

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<v Speaker 1>wins the bet. Three days later, Celia feels she's pregnant. Worried,

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<v Speaker 1>she visits some fairy friends and they confirm her suspicions.

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<v Speaker 1>They say she is quote with child of the leaf

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<v Speaker 1>she had swallowed. Celia hides her magical pregnancy, and on

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth night, she gives birth in secret. Her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is born with a face like the moon. Celia names

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<v Speaker 1>her Lisa, and then sends her daughter to be raised

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<v Speaker 1>by the fairies. Each of the fairies want to give

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa a charm, but the final fairy, who runs to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the child, twists her foot. In her anguish, she

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<v Speaker 1>curses Lisa, saying that when she turns seven, her mother

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<v Speaker 1>will forget a comb in Lisa's hair, which would cause

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<v Speaker 1>the girl to die. The fairy's curse comes to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>In her devastation, Celia has Lisa placed in a casket

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<v Speaker 1>made of seven crystals, one inside the other and locks

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<v Speaker 1>it in a distant chamber of the baron's castle. Celia

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<v Speaker 1>then keeps the key in her pocket. But not long

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<v Speaker 1>after Celia is on her deathbed, she entrusts all her

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<v Speaker 1>possessions to her brother. When she gives him the key,

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<v Speaker 1>she makes him promise he will never open the distant chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>He assures her he won't. A year later, the baron

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<v Speaker 1>marries while away on a hunt, the baron puts his

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<v Speaker 1>new wife in charge of the house and tells her

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<v Speaker 1>not to open the chamber. Of course, as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>the baron leaves, she searches a castle, finds the key

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<v Speaker 1>in his desk, and opens the room. The new wife

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<v Speaker 1>sees a girl in a casket made of seven crystals.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa has grown as time has passed, and the caskets

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<v Speaker 1>have grown with her. The woman is filled with rage

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<v Speaker 1>and jealousy, believing her husband comes into this room to

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<v Speaker 1>worship the beautiful girl. In a fit, she yanks the

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<v Speaker 1>girl out of the casket by her hair, and doing so,

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<v Speaker 1>the comb falls out, and the girl wakes up crying

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<v Speaker 1>for her mom. The baroness answers, I'll give thee mama

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<v Speaker 1>and Papa, and proceeds to beat Lisa, cut her hair,

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<v Speaker 1>dress her in rags, and make her a slave. The

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<v Speaker 1>story says, every day the baroness beats on her head,

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<v Speaker 1>gives her black eyes, scratches her face and makes her

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<v Speaker 1>mouth bleed, as if she'd just eaten raw pigeons. When

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<v Speaker 1>the baron returns, he asks the baroness why the young

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<v Speaker 1>girl is being treated so poorly. The baroness lies, saying

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<v Speaker 1>her aunt had sent the child to her and she

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<v Speaker 1>needs to punish her to keep her in line. After

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<v Speaker 1>some time, the baron goes to the country fair. Being

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<v Speaker 1>kind hearted, he asks all the servants what they would like.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's Lisa's turn, The baroness tells him to ignore her,

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<v Speaker 1>but he would not. Lisa asks for a doll, a knife,

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<v Speaker 1>and a pummice stone. She also says that if he forgets,

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<v Speaker 1>he will not be able to cross over the river

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<v Speaker 1>on his way home, and so the baron heads to

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<v Speaker 1>the fair but forgets Lisa's items. When he tries to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the river, he can't. Then he remembers the slave

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<v Speaker 1>girl's request and goes back for her items. Once Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>has her gifts, she retires to the kitchen and tells

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<v Speaker 1>the doll her life's story. She asks the doll if

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<v Speaker 1>she hears her, and when the doll doesn't answer, she

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<v Speaker 1>begins sharpening the knife on the pummice stone. Saying she

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<v Speaker 1>will take her own life. At that, the doll grows

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<v Speaker 1>and answers, yes, I did hear thee I am not deaf.

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<v Speaker 1>This goes on for several days until one day the

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<v Speaker 1>baron overhears the servant girl crying and talking. He puts

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<v Speaker 1>his eye to the keyhole to see Lisa recounting her

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<v Speaker 1>story once again and sharpening her knife on the pummice stone.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, the baron kicks down the door, snatches

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<v Speaker 1>the knife, and has Lisa tell him her story. When

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<v Speaker 1>he understands who she is and what she's been through,

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<v Speaker 1>the baron hugs his niece, then sends her to live

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<v Speaker 1>with other relatives and commands that she be well treated.

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple months, Lisa becomes as beautiful as a goddess,

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<v Speaker 1>and her uncle throws a great feast for her in

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<v Speaker 1>his castle. During this feast, he presents Lisa as his

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<v Speaker 1>niece and has her recount her tale to the guests.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone weeps hearing how the baroness treated Lisa. The baron

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<v Speaker 1>then sends his wife back to her family, declaring she

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<v Speaker 1>is not worthy to be his mate. Later, the baron

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<v Speaker 1>finds his niece a handsome husband who she loves. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a happy ending. In some of the stories, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>snow whites by a lot mother who kills her for

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<v Speaker 1>her beauty, like in the Scottish tale Silvertree gold Tree.

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<v Speaker 1>The story was collected by Joseph Jacobs and published in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety two. In this tale, a king has a

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<v Speaker 1>wife named Silvertree and a daughter named gold Tree. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>Silvertree and gold Tree visit a glen with a well.

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<v Speaker 1>The well has a trout swimming in it. Silvertree asks

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<v Speaker 1>the trout is she the most beautiful queen in all

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<v Speaker 1>the world. The trout replies she is not. When the

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<v Speaker 1>queen asks who is, then the trout says it's her daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>gold Tree. The queen goes blind with rage. When she

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<v Speaker 1>returns from the glen, she climbs into bed, claiming to

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<v Speaker 1>be sick and vows she'll never be well until she

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<v Speaker 1>eats her daughter's heart and liver. When the king gets home,

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<v Speaker 1>he asks his wife what is wrong, and she tells

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<v Speaker 1>him she needs to eat gold Tree's heart and liver

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<v Speaker 1>to be well. Luckily, a prince from another kingdom has

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<v Speaker 1>asked the king to marry gold Tree, and the king

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<v Speaker 1>has agreed, so the king sends her away with the

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<v Speaker 1>prince to keep her safe. He then has some men

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<v Speaker 1>hunt down a goat. The king feeds the queen the

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<v Speaker 1>heart and liver of the goat, claiming they are gold Trees,

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<v Speaker 1>and once she eats, the queen is well and healthy

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<v Speaker 1>once more. A year later, Silvertree visits the glen again.

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<v Speaker 1>She asks the trout who's the most beautiful queen, and

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<v Speaker 1>the trout responds gold Tree. The queen says it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be because gold Tree is dead. The trout then tells

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<v Speaker 1>her that her daughter isn't dead, but married to a

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<v Speaker 1>prince oversees. Silvertree begs the king to give her the

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<v Speaker 1>long ship to visit her daughter. For some reason, the

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<v Speaker 1>king agrees. The queen takes the long ship, which is

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<v Speaker 1>wide and stable but fast and light, and heads to

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<v Speaker 1>the kingdom across the sea. Gold Tree recognizes the long

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<v Speaker 1>ship as it's coming ashore. She tells her servants it's

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<v Speaker 1>her coming to kill her. The servants devise a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to lock gold Tree in a room where her mother

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<v Speaker 1>can't reach her. When Silvertree reaches the castle, she cries

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<v Speaker 1>out for Goldtree to come say hello to her. Mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldtree says she can't because she's locked in a room,

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<v Speaker 1>but Silvertree convinces her daughter to stick her finger through

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<v Speaker 1>the keyhole so that she could give it a kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>When Goldtree does, her mother puts a poisoned stab in

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter's finger. The prince is heartbroken when he returns

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<v Speaker 1>to find his wife dead, but she's too beautiful to bury,

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<v Speaker 1>so he locks her away in a room and keeps

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<v Speaker 1>the key on him. A while later, the prince remarries.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, he forgets to keep the key on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and his new wife takes it. It opens the room.

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<v Speaker 1>There she finds Goldtree, the most beautiful woman she's ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>The new wife notices the stab in gold Tree's finger

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<v Speaker 1>and pulls it out. Goldtree awakens alive once again and

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<v Speaker 1>as beautiful as ever. The prince returns from hunting crestfallen.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife asks what's wrong, and he replies he wishes

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<v Speaker 1>gold Tree was alive. She tells him that gold Tree

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<v Speaker 1>is indeed alive once again, in the room he had

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<v Speaker 1>put her in. When the prince sees gold Tree, he

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<v Speaker 1>is overjoyed and can't stop kissing her. The new wife says,

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<v Speaker 1>since the prince married her first. She will leave, but

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<v Speaker 1>the prince says no, that he will have both of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and this turns out to be a good thing. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that same year, Silvertree visits the glen

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<v Speaker 1>for a third time and learns that gold Tree is

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<v Speaker 1>still alive. Once again, Silvertree convinces her husband to lend

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<v Speaker 1>her the longboat to visit gold Tree. The prince is

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<v Speaker 1>out hunting when gold Tree notices the longboat. She tells

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<v Speaker 1>the second wife it's her mother coming to kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>So the second wife joins gold Tree to meet Silvertree.

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<v Speaker 1>When Silvertree comes ashore, she tells gold Tree she has

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<v Speaker 1>a precious drink to share with her. The second wife

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<v Speaker 1>tells Silvertree it is customary in their country that the

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<v Speaker 1>person who offers the drink must take the first sip.

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<v Speaker 1>As Silvertree brings the cup to her lips, the second

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<v Speaker 1>wife knocks the cup so some of the liquid goes

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<v Speaker 1>down the queen's throat. The queen falls down dead, then

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<v Speaker 1>gold Tree and the second wife bury her corpse. The

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<v Speaker 1>prince and two wives then lived happily the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their days. The story ends with the line I left

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<v Speaker 1>them there. I'm not sure what that line means or

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<v Speaker 1>why it's included in the tail, but I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me feel like the narrator was watching from

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<v Speaker 1>a distant hill, and now that this tale has concluded,

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<v Speaker 1>they're off to find other stories. As discussed in previous episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Grimms heavily editorialize the stories they collected. Similar to Rumpelstilskin.

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<v Speaker 1>The brothers created their own version of snow White, including

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<v Speaker 1>making the biological mother a stepmother. Here's doctor Schwabe.

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<v Speaker 3>In many versions, early versions of the Grim's fairy tales,

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<v Speaker 3>it was always biological mothers, and then with the second

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<v Speaker 3>edition and later, the Grims swapped them out for stepmothers

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<v Speaker 3>to preserve the good mother, the sanctity of the good mother,

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<v Speaker 3>and also they had a really good relationship with their

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<v Speaker 3>own mother, so I think there were might have been

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<v Speaker 3>also some complaints from mothers actually about these fairy tales,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why they swapped that out.

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<v Speaker 1>The brother's grim tail also reflects the beauty standards for

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<v Speaker 1>Western culture at the time. Doctor Schwabe explained what the

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<v Speaker 1>colors and snow white represent.

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<v Speaker 3>We think of the white as snow. We always think

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<v Speaker 3>of skin and red as blood, we think of the lips,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know, for the black as ebony, would

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<v Speaker 3>we think of the hair, But that if you read closely,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not emphasized in the tail, and in some

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<v Speaker 3>versions it's also the eyes are black as ebony, or

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<v Speaker 3>the cheeks are as red as blood. The body parts

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<v Speaker 3>are not labeled specifically when you ask yourself what do

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<v Speaker 3>these colors represent. So white is, at least in Western culture,

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<v Speaker 3>associated with innocence, and we can tie it to birth.

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<v Speaker 3>Red represents life and passion, and black represents death, so

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<v Speaker 3>we can really go full circle. Also, they allude to

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<v Speaker 3>the triple goddess, the Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if you know that, but that

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<v Speaker 3>came way after the Grims, So between eighteen sixty seven

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<v Speaker 3>and nineteen eighty, the flag of the German Empire was

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<v Speaker 3>also black, white, and red. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>point that out. It's an interesting parallel.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's pick up the grim Snow White story where

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<v Speaker 1>we left off. At the beginning of the episode. The

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<v Speaker 1>queen has just eaten lungs and a liver, believing them

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<v Speaker 1>to be snow whites. But snow White is still alive. Terrified,

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<v Speaker 1>snow White runs through the woods until she stumbles upon

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<v Speaker 1>a little house where seven little doarves live. It's empty. Exhausted,

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<v Speaker 1>snow White falls asleep in one of their beds. When

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<v Speaker 1>the seven dwarfs arrive home from the mine, they notice

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<v Speaker 1>their food has been eaten, their wine has been drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is a girl sleeping in one of their beds.

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<v Speaker 1>When she wakes up, she tells the dwarves what's happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her. They agree to let her stay as long

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<v Speaker 1>as she DOA's chores. Snow agrees, but the dwarves also

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<v Speaker 1>warn her she will be alone all day while they work,

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<v Speaker 1>so she must be cautious. The next morning, the Queen

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<v Speaker 1>asks the mirror about being the fairest in the land.

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<v Speaker 1>The Queen is startled to learn it's still snow. She

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<v Speaker 1>realizes the huntsmen lied. The Queen knows the dwarfs must

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<v Speaker 1>have saved snow White because they're the only ones who

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<v Speaker 1>live in the seven Mountains, so she dresses up as

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<v Speaker 1>an old peddler woman. The Queen arrives at the dwarf's home,

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<v Speaker 1>calling out for someone to open up. Snow asks the

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<v Speaker 1>disguised queen what she's selling, and the queen says, bodice laces. Snow,

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<v Speaker 1>believing the queen's costume, opens the door to let the

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<v Speaker 1>woman help relace her bodice. The queen ties the bodice's

0:28:40.685 --> 0:28:44.525
<v Speaker 1>lace so tightly that Snow can't breathe and falls to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, seemingly dead. The queen leaves satisfied. As night falls,

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<v Speaker 1>the doors return home to find snow on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>They realize the lace bodice is too tight and cut

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<v Speaker 1>it off. She is revived. They then warn her about

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<v Speaker 1>letting people inside the house. The next time, the queen

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<v Speaker 1>asks the mirror who's the fairest and all the land.

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<v Speaker 1>She is shocked again that it's still snow, so the

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<v Speaker 1>queen spends the next day and a half devising a

0:29:14.845 --> 0:29:19.205
<v Speaker 1>new plan. She makes a poisoned comb and dons a

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<v Speaker 1>new disguise. She travels back to the dowarfs home and

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<v Speaker 1>knocks on their door. Snow tells the woman she's not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to let anyone in, but when the Queen pulls

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<v Speaker 1>the comb out, Snow loves how beautifully it glistens and

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<v Speaker 1>opens the door. The moment the queen puts the coal

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<v Speaker 1>in Snow's hair. The girl falls down dead and the

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<v Speaker 1>queen leaves satisfied. The dowarves arrive home just in time

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<v Speaker 1>and remove the comb. When Snow wakes back up, they

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<v Speaker 1>warn her to not let anyone in, and Snow promises.

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<v Speaker 1>For the third time, the queen asks the mirror who's

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<v Speaker 1>the fairest and all the land, and yet again the

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<v Speaker 1>mirror responds Snow. The queen is furious and heads to

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<v Speaker 1>her secret room. There she creates an apple one half

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<v Speaker 1>is safe, but the other half is poisoned, and dresses

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<v Speaker 1>as a peasant woman. She then heads back to the

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<v Speaker 1>little house in the mountains. This time, Snow is more

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious and won't let the woman in, so the clever

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<v Speaker 1>queen cuts the apple in two and takes a bite

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<v Speaker 1>out of the non poisonous side. Snow's desire for the

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<v Speaker 1>apple grows so much that she lets the old woman

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<v Speaker 1>hand her the other half through the window. Snow barely

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<v Speaker 1>takes a bite before she falls down dead. This time.

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<v Speaker 1>When the doorves get home, they can't figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong with her and can't revive her. They lay

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<v Speaker 1>her on a beer and cry for three days. When

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<v Speaker 1>they notice her body remains fresh. They build her a

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<v Speaker 1>glass coffin with gold letters that spell her name and

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<v Speaker 1>have her ancestry, and one of them always remains by

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<v Speaker 1>her side. Time passes and snow remains in the coffin.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, a prince rides through the mountains and comes

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<v Speaker 1>upon the dwarfs home. He asks for shelter for the night,

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<v Speaker 1>and they agree. In their parlor, he sees snow in

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<v Speaker 1>her coffin, and he learns she was a king's daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>He is so taken by her beauty he asks the

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<v Speaker 1>dorives to sell her to him so he can take

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<v Speaker 1>her home, but they refuse. Then he asks if they

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<v Speaker 1>would give her to him because he can't live without

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<v Speaker 1>seeing her, and he promises to cherish her as the

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<v Speaker 1>most valuable thing on earth. The dwarfs take pity and

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<v Speaker 1>give the prince the coffin. The prince takes the coffin

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<v Speaker 1>to his castle and places it in a room where

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<v Speaker 1>he watches it day and night. Anywhere he goes. He

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<v Speaker 1>has servants carry it because he could not bear to

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<v Speaker 1>be parted from snow. This angers the servants. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the servants removes the lid and sits snow

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<v Speaker 1>upright saying we are plagued the whole day long just

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<v Speaker 1>because of such a dead girl, and hits her in

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<v Speaker 1>the back. This dislodges the piece of apple, and Snow

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<v Speaker 1>once again comes to life. Snow walks up to the prince,

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<v Speaker 1>who was filled with joy. The two then decide to marry.

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<v Speaker 1>Their wedding is set for the next day. Snow's stepmother

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<v Speaker 1>is invited. That morning, the queen steps in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the magic mirror again, only for it to tell her

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<v Speaker 1>the new Queen is a fairison all the land, but

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't know it's Snow. The Queen is horrified, but

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<v Speaker 1>her jealousy drives her to attend the wedding anyway. When

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<v Speaker 1>the queen arrives, she sees the new Queen is snow white.

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<v Speaker 1>The Queen is afraid, and they make her put on

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of iron shoes that had been heated in

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<v Speaker 1>a fire and dance until she dies in the Grimm's tail.

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<v Speaker 1>The evil queen meets a violent end, and perhaps in

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<v Speaker 1>the Grim's eyes, this punishment was fair because not only

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<v Speaker 1>did she poison an inner sent woman multiple times, the

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<v Speaker 1>stepmother corrupted the idea of motherhood. Doctor Schwabe says the

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<v Speaker 1>Grims were big on protecting biological mothers.

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<v Speaker 3>Snow White never really had a mother, and if you

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<v Speaker 3>read the text very closely, it's also things that a

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<v Speaker 3>mother would do. And she would say, oh, come, let

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<v Speaker 3>me brush your hair properly like a mother would do,

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<v Speaker 3>or let me lace you up properly, like a mother

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<v Speaker 3>would do to her daughter. And it's the there is

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<v Speaker 3>this tension or this parallel or the nourishing factor, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and let me give you food. It's what the mother does.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she twists these things and distorts them because

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<v Speaker 3>it's the evil step mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Schwabe brings up another huge theme of snow White beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to think why was the queen so threatened

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<v Speaker 1>by the beauty of her stepdaughter, well, because beauty was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only ways women could have.

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<v Speaker 3>Power, especially at the end where we have the wedding

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<v Speaker 3>scene and she is so afraid that it's emphasized several

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<v Speaker 3>times that the queen is so afraid. You have to

0:34:17.085 --> 0:34:20.005
<v Speaker 3>ask yourself, why is she so afraid? Why is she

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<v Speaker 3>in such fear. Is it that they found out that

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<v Speaker 3>she tried to kill snow White or is it the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that her scheme didn't work out, and she's no

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<v Speaker 3>longer the most beautiful of all meanings. She's getting old

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<v Speaker 3>and she is going to die. The women didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>much power in those days, and the only power the

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<v Speaker 3>Wicked Queen has is her beauty. That's what gives her power.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the king essentially picked her to be his queen.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, the king is completely absent in

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<v Speaker 3>the story, and we can talk about it later, but

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<v Speaker 3>that the mirror. We don't know the voice of the mirror,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's male or female, but in most adaptations it's

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<v Speaker 3>a male voice, and we can zoom that the mirror

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<v Speaker 3>stands representative for the king's voice or patriarchy if you

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<v Speaker 3>want so. Coming back to the queen, her beauty is

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<v Speaker 3>her only power. So when she finds out and the

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<v Speaker 3>mirror tells her that snow White is a thousand times

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<v Speaker 3>fairer than her, she knows this is the point where

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<v Speaker 3>snow White's beauty is taking over and she is in danger.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point that her power wanes and snow White

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<v Speaker 3>will be the new queen.

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<v Speaker 1>And that theme of beauty still resonates today. Walt Disney's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven release of Snow White change the company

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<v Speaker 1>and the history of animation forever. Snow White was the

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<v Speaker 1>first US full length animated film, and although Disney had

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<v Speaker 1>used a multiplane camera to create depth on an animated

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<v Speaker 1>short before, snow White was the first time to use

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<v Speaker 1>that process for a feature length film. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>highest grossing film of its time. Disney Snow White and

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<v Speaker 1>the Seven Dwarfs also changed parts of the story. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time the doors were given names and personalities.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also when Truelove's Kiss to Wake snow was introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to the story, which, as I've talked about on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>comes with a range of issues. Here's doctor Schwabe.

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<v Speaker 3>So the whole thing of a woman sleeping and then

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<v Speaker 3>being rescued by a hero savior. I think that goes

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<v Speaker 3>way back, and that's why we have it show up

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<v Speaker 3>in so many fairy tales, and it's just the typical

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<v Speaker 3>damsel in distress needs rescuing from a hero male figure.

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<v Speaker 3>But also in snow White, and this has been set before,

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<v Speaker 3>she really becomes an object of art if you want,

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<v Speaker 3>because she is in this class coffin, and remember the

0:37:16.565 --> 0:37:20.005
<v Speaker 3>name is written in golden letters, so she becomes the

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<v Speaker 3>still objects something to be admired and gazed at and

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<v Speaker 3>looked at. But she herself is static. She is comatose

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<v Speaker 3>or what you want to call it, and she can't

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<v Speaker 3>move and speak. She's silent. She is really an object

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<v Speaker 3>just to be looked at.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Disney, there have been so many snow White variations,

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<v Speaker 1>approaching the story in different ways. Some tales day pretty

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<v Speaker 1>true to the brothers Grim snow White, with slight changes.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot more emancipated female protagonists who fight

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<v Speaker 3>for their own destiny and don't need a male savior anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>like even you know snow White and the Huntsman, just

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<v Speaker 3>that she's a lot more like she's a warrior maiden.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have stories that turn the tail on

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<v Speaker 1>its head, like Neil Gaiman's snow Glass and Apples.

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<v Speaker 3>The story is told from the perspective of the queen,

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<v Speaker 3>and snow White is a vampire and she kills her

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<v Speaker 3>father and she still gets together with the prince, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're the bad ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Some even rework the evil stepmother to make her less evil.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's totally unfair to all the stepmothers out there

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<v Speaker 3>that they have to fight against the stereotype. And we

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<v Speaker 3>have to come to a new understanding of stepmothers as

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<v Speaker 3>a whole and try to get away from that stereotypical

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<v Speaker 3>evil stepmother.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said, something all of these snow White tales

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<v Speaker 1>have in common is, of course, jealousy about another's beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>But many contemporary versions of the tale question not only

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<v Speaker 1>why beauty is so valuable, but where does that judgment

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<v Speaker 1>of our beauty come from. One way to understand this

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<v Speaker 1>idea is how newer versions of snow White have changed

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of the magic mirror. Take, for example, the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven feature length film titled snow White, A

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<v Speaker 1>Tale of Terror.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one adaptation with Sigourney Weaver which I actually like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, where she sees herself her reflection and she

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<v Speaker 3>speaks in a female voice and she sees her own reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>And that I always ask my students, so what do

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<v Speaker 3>we make of this? That we imagine the voice of

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<v Speaker 3>a mirror to be a male voice? And then usually

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<v Speaker 3>my students notice, well, maybe it's the judging of the

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<v Speaker 3>male or the king. It's the judgmental voice that because

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<v Speaker 3>the king is not present in the fairy tale, so

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<v Speaker 3>that the mirror is a stand in for the absent king,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, women still look into the mirror or

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<v Speaker 3>their social media posts, and we are still recipients of

0:40:14.765 --> 0:40:16.765
<v Speaker 3>these judgmental voices.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very much buying into the idea that our beauty

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<v Speaker 1>is based on the male gaze.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the patriarchy or what do you want to call it?

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<v Speaker 1>And the story I want to end today's episode with

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<v Speaker 1>challenges the modern standards of beauty. It's the twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>Red Shoes and the Seven Dwarfs full length animation. The

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Dwarfs are actually seven princes who are cursed. They

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<v Speaker 1>were cursed by a princess who they thought was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a witch because they thought she was too ugly to

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<v Speaker 1>be a princess. The magic wielding princess says to break

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<v Speaker 1>the spell, they have to kiss the most beautiful girl, Snow,

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<v Speaker 1>who calls herself Red Shoes, is trying to save her father,

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<v Speaker 1>who has disappeared. She stumbles upon a pair of red

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<v Speaker 1>shoes that change her appearance from a regular everyday girl

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<v Speaker 1>to an unrealistic Barbie Dolph figure Doe eyes included, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, the characters learn beauty isn't defined by appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time, an author who turned the Yellow Brick Road

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<v Speaker 1>upside down before tackling the brother's grum. The Deep Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Woods is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was produced by mikel. June was senior producer

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