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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yeoman's It is
Speaker 1: a beautiful Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys here from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star in Frisco. It's
Speaker 1: a byeweek edition. Oh wait, it's not a byeweek kind
Speaker 1: of sort of. It kind of is a byeweek, though
Speaker 1: at least it feels like it's a byeweek. We'll take it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take it? Or will you take it?
Speaker 1: I definitely take it. Heck, well will you take it?
Speaker 1: I will? Oh he's showing off the Christmas tree, Rob
Speaker 1: Rob bye week are you taking it? Leaving it? What
Speaker 1: do you? I'll take a bye, I'll take a mini bye.
Speaker 1: I got a Christmas tree for you coming up later
Speaker 1: this weekend on your Christmas tree. Wait, so on the weekend.
Speaker 1: You're not doing it? You're not starting now on the
Speaker 1: Christmas tree. No, just give me till the end. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a tree off. Yeah, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a tree off. Am I gonna have to am, I
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring mine to the studio and put
Speaker 1: it in here. Chris is probably not gonna like that
Speaker 1: very much, but I would no, But you're the prop
Speaker 1: guy on the show, so do it. Okay? Fine? Cool,
Speaker 1: Rob said I could. I'll just tell him. I'll tell
Speaker 1: everybody that, like whenever I walk in with a full
Speaker 1: Christmas tree, you you have a Christmas tree, You're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna put up. I don't. I don't have one up.
Speaker 1: My question because I know Heckman has had his tree
Speaker 1: up since uh since Halloween? But did you do you
Speaker 1: have an elf on a shelf? Heckman? Do you guys
Speaker 1: do elf on a shelf? Yes? We do? Did you
Speaker 1: kick get all? You did your what's what's your else name?
Speaker 1: What's your else name? I can't say. That's embarrassing. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say tup tupacow. Yeah, okay, that's pretty
Speaker 1: fa that's pretty awesome. But I'm learning more about you
Speaker 1: guys as weeks every day. But hey, that's how it
Speaker 1: is here on this show. Cowboys. What's up? Rob? That's awesome?
Speaker 1: When are we going to break down the Ravens like
Speaker 1: Monday of next week? Like, what do you want to
Speaker 1: do the rest of them? See Friday. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where I was leading with this,
Speaker 1: is that the Dallas Cowboys who played the Washington football
Speaker 1: team on Thursday, we broke down that game at nauseum
Speaker 1: yesterday and we were going to continue into today, and
Speaker 1: we still are going to continue in today because there's
Speaker 1: nothing else related to go go after. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that felt like forever Thursday to Monday to finally break
Speaker 1: down that game on this show. Well, now we've got
Speaker 1: to wait forever because we've got till next Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: that's just scheduled because tomorrow is when the Ravens and
Speaker 1: the Steelers are going to play due to COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: protocols and trying to get the Ravens outbreak contained. And
Speaker 1: then the Ravens and Cowboys are scheduled to play next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: push back again twelve days in between the Washington game
Speaker 1: and the raven game. A Ravens game coming up for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and like I, like Rob said earlier it's
Speaker 1: a mini bye week. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff we can talk about. But I
Speaker 1: don't know when we'll start that that breakdown. Friday, maybe
Speaker 1: we start we start breaking down that game. I mean,
Speaker 1: we could just go six days, just go on one
Speaker 1: player at a time, just go all the way down
Speaker 1: the roster for both teams. They just do that, and
Speaker 1: then I mean that would work. He liked that idea.
Speaker 1: I do. I like that. That's dangerous though, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it. I mean, the NFL man blessed hard.
Speaker 1: They've had a lot to try and digest and get
Speaker 1: through this whole of a nineteen twenty situation, and they're
Speaker 1: doing the best that they can. I mean, the Steelers
Speaker 1: in the Ravens game has been moved what four times
Speaker 1: now yep. So I mean I think we're just thinking
Speaker 1: our lucky stars that they're actually going to be able
Speaker 1: to play a game. But even for our game, I
Speaker 1: think if there are any more any more of an
Speaker 1: outbreak than there already has been with Baltimore, our game
Speaker 1: may be in question. It's tough and rob whenever you
Speaker 1: look at the scheduling and everything that's involved here with
Speaker 1: these two games. Talking about the Steelers game for the
Speaker 1: Ravens and then of course Cowboys Ravens. Is this something
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys needed in terms of a little extra
Speaker 1: time after what was ended up being a blowout loss
Speaker 1: in Washington, a very emotional week last week. Is this
Speaker 1: something that the doctor ordered for the Cowboys or is
Speaker 1: this something that you didn't necessarily want for this team?
Speaker 1: I think they definitely need it. That's just me speaking
Speaker 1: the outside. I know McCarthy. Mike mc arthy said on
Speaker 1: Friday that you know, will will adjust if we still
Speaker 1: play that you know by that at that point they
Speaker 1: didn't know if they were playing this week or next
Speaker 1: and but he said, you know, we'll take it because
Speaker 1: I think not only from a from a physical standpoint, obviously,
Speaker 1: the injuries have been a factor because, like you said, Kyle, emotionally, Um,
Speaker 1: this has just been really hard man. I mean, and
Speaker 1: and I think Mickey said it, um. I want to
Speaker 1: say during on Thanksgiving at the game, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of young guys on the team that probably have
Speaker 1: not experienced something like losing someone close to him, like
Speaker 1: like Marcus paul Um and really and the way it happened,
Speaker 1: it happened in the building where where he suffered that
Speaker 1: that emergency, and so I think they definitely could use it.
Speaker 1: And now the thing about it is, what's what's interesting
Speaker 1: is you play next Tuesday, but it's a road trip.
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna get back early hours Wednesday morning, and
Speaker 1: then you've got to turn around and travel. I would
Speaker 1: assume Saturday the twelfth to go play at Cincinnati on
Speaker 1: the road. That's that's doing them no favors with the schedule.
Speaker 1: But but Heckma said it too. Uh, they're the league
Speaker 1: is in unchartered territory here and they're just trying to
Speaker 1: get through the season the best way they know how
Speaker 1: and also give the Ravens some chances to get to
Speaker 1: get healthy because you know, this isn't well. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what caused it, but with an outbreak, they're
Speaker 1: trying to help them as much as they can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the league, like you guys already said, the
Speaker 1: league trying to figure it out. I think they're they're
Speaker 1: in a bad spot. Um, but you know, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: some things out of Baltimore that you know, if they're
Speaker 1: forced to play it, that they they might do a
Speaker 1: little striky strike and all the kinds of other stuff man.
Speaker 1: So um, but there's there's there's implications of that as well,
Speaker 1: because the NFLPA and in the league and lawsuits and
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So this week is crazy. I
Speaker 1: think all of us just have our antennas up just
Speaker 1: trying figure out what the heck is going on. So
Speaker 1: you're saying, if they're forced to play, the players, there's
Speaker 1: there's word that the players are going to try to
Speaker 1: do a strike because they're saying that they're being exposed
Speaker 1: to you know, it's it's dangerous, dangerous conditions. I thought,
Speaker 1: at least for the other perspective from a league standpoint,
Speaker 1: it would be not okay to take away game checks.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I was confused, or that's
Speaker 1: where I'm confused by that. Just the fact that if
Speaker 1: you don't play, you're not gonna get paid. And I
Speaker 1: think you could say that about both the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Ravens if that game's canceled. The Cowboys were sitting
Speaker 1: here saying, well, what did we do wrong? What happened
Speaker 1: with us? Why is our game check getting taken away? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many different layers and factors to
Speaker 1: this thing. It's crazy to talk about because, I mean, one,
Speaker 1: it's unpresident and we never never had to experience anything
Speaker 1: like this. I mean the season in general. I mean
Speaker 1: we had a backup, backup, backup wide receiver playing quarterback
Speaker 1: for the Denver Broccos last I mean, and that was
Speaker 1: that was league induced. I mean, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with right now with this COVID nineteen protocol.
Speaker 1: But if you were a player, what side would you
Speaker 1: be on? Would you want to be on the safe
Speaker 1: side or would you want to be on the side
Speaker 1: of let's play, let's let's do our job kind of thing? Um.
Speaker 1: I mean back then, I didn't have any kids, so true,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I trust, I know, I know
Speaker 1: specifically here, every time we come in the building, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're testing out the wazoo. So um,
Speaker 1: I know that they're doing everything that they possibly can
Speaker 1: to try to keep people safe. Um. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's it's a it's an airborne disease
Speaker 1: that you really can't contain, right. So um, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, there you know, people aren't getting
Speaker 1: diagnosed as soon as they have on set, right they're
Speaker 1: being diagnosed days after um, you know they actually contracted.
Speaker 1: So it's it's scary. It's a scary place for players,
Speaker 1: especially those guys who are who are not single and bachelors,
Speaker 1: the guys that have to go back home to their
Speaker 1: families and and kids and all that. So it's it's
Speaker 1: two different mindsets. I think, you know, the bachelor, the
Speaker 1: bachelor guy that just came in the league versus a
Speaker 1: family man. Um. I ran into a guy the other
Speaker 1: day at the dealership and he was he's a basketball player,
Speaker 1: NBA guy. He just he took the year off just
Speaker 1: because he's like, it's just stop. Yeah. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not playing. I'm not doing that to my family. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean at the dealership. At the dealership,
Speaker 1: wow with an NBA guy. Wow, that wasn't at the
Speaker 1: mississ b see A Ford was go yow, we know
Speaker 1: hey money he had was calling out Isaiah again for
Speaker 1: the second straight day in that regard. Now giving it
Speaker 1: back if you're looking at it from a cowboys perspective,
Speaker 1: and I know, the rest is something that's gonna that's
Speaker 1: gonna play a factor. And of course you're you're excited
Speaker 1: about a couple extra days to kind of sit here
Speaker 1: and rest. But this is also a chance that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have to to it's a chance to mess things
Speaker 1: up to I mean, I remember, even from an employee perspective,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys hr and overhanging or saying that, hey, you
Speaker 1: got to stay home on the bye week and bye
Speaker 1: weekend Thanksgiving and saying, hey, be careful. That's that's really
Speaker 1: kind of what the overhanging arching of it is. This
Speaker 1: is kind of unregulated, or at least it feels that way, Rob.
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the twelve days that you're waiting
Speaker 1: to play this football game, this team has to show
Speaker 1: discipline in this week as at the same time, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're still gonna have practices, You're still gonna have things
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to work on, but you also
Speaker 1: got to stay safe outside of that. And that's something
Speaker 1: that I think is another challenge placed on Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: staff that I don't think we've actually hit up, Rob. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean they're they're going to be back in
Speaker 1: the building here at some point this week. I know
Speaker 1: the league asked all teams just as a safety precaution
Speaker 1: coming off of the Thanksgiving holiday, stay home work virtually
Speaker 1: Monday Tuesday of this week, and then I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were set to get back into practice on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: now pushing the game back another day. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to change that up, because you could
Speaker 1: do you could do your Wednesday Thursday schedule really on
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday this week. But to your point, it's all
Speaker 1: about the protocols and sticking to it, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what happened with Denver. There was a breakdown in
Speaker 1: protocol with their quarterbacks, and that's why, you know, they
Speaker 1: not only didn't have quarterbacks, that's why I guess the
Speaker 1: league one had and said let's play the game. So
Speaker 1: but I think the Cowboys are leading, maybe setting the
Speaker 1: right example in terms of bubbling up with the staff
Speaker 1: at a hotel. Now they have better, the amenities here
Speaker 1: are better, and then I would imagine any team in
Speaker 1: the league. It's unbelievable, it's first class. But that might
Speaker 1: be a way that the way that teams have to
Speaker 1: go down the stretch here to ensure as much safety
Speaker 1: as possible to get through this season. The Cowboys are
Speaker 1: kind of setting that example. I want to know what
Speaker 1: Seattle is doing. I found out last night watching the
Speaker 1: Seattle game. Seattle is the only team in the league
Speaker 1: that hasn't had a case on their team yet. Yeah, somebody,
Speaker 1: Steve Leeper right, brought that brought up that point on
Speaker 1: the broadcast. I thought the same stat kind of poked
Speaker 1: in my head. It was like, my goodness, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: And also not to mention, I wonder what their amenities are, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you were up there, it is it anything.
Speaker 1: There's no hotel right next door? Yeah, hotel. There's no
Speaker 1: Omni next door. I can tell you that is right
Speaker 1: there on the waterfront. I mean, most guys live relatively close.
Speaker 1: But I mean Seattle is a lot different in Texas,
Speaker 1: in Dallas a little bit, and they've they've locked things down.
Speaker 1: Things are pretty much locked down back that's a good
Speaker 1: back home Seattle. So it's a lot different environment. Guys
Speaker 1: were able to leave here go out and eat at restaurants.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not hanging out with I'm just going
Speaker 1: out to eat. I'm eating outside, you know, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. But you're still out socializing Versus a Seattle
Speaker 1: you don't have that option. That's that probably plays a
Speaker 1: pretty good factor into it. Now. Whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: this week in the Cowboys perspective, where do they want
Speaker 1: to start? Kind of leaning in terms of of work
Speaker 1: do you think? And Rob, I'm kind of going back
Speaker 1: to what you said a second ago. You said they
Speaker 1: could start as soon as tomorrow in terms of their
Speaker 1: practice schedule. But do you think they'll push it back
Speaker 1: or you think they'll take these next couple of days
Speaker 1: to rest up and then finally get into practice. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know. We haven't gotten an adjusted schedule, if
Speaker 1: there is one. I just know that that Monday two
Speaker 1: they were going to get back in the in meeting
Speaker 1: space virtually today players basically back back to work off
Speaker 1: the holiday today and then I think they were going
Speaker 1: to do something Friday or Wednesday on the field. Now
Speaker 1: it is an opportunity even if Mike McCarthy wants to
Speaker 1: just to give them another day or just have meetings
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and just get off your feet some more.
Speaker 1: Um So we'll see how they do it. But you know,
Speaker 1: usually they've got kind of three day set Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: and then they would travel. So you can you can
Speaker 1: do you can knock that out all on the weekend
Speaker 1: and then have your travel day on Monday. I'm losing
Speaker 1: track of my days. I don't know it's Tuesday fifty
Speaker 1: Tuesday exactly. No, Kyle, let me just add to that.
Speaker 1: Let me add to that that you know, for the NFL,
Speaker 1: this is our football teams are. For the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: this is a logistical nightmare, especially dealing with the schedule changing.
Speaker 1: You know how how much uh NFL coaches just create
Speaker 1: that structure, and that's what you get. In the NFL.
Speaker 1: Everything gets pretty much structured out. You're off on these days,
Speaker 1: you practice on these days, you install your game playing
Speaker 1: on certain day. But this year has been completely knocked
Speaker 1: off kilter and you have no idea how this is
Speaker 1: gonna go or the scheduling is going to go. But
Speaker 1: for this team, coming off of that loss to the
Speaker 1: football team, they may want to try and incorporate a
Speaker 1: little bit more rest, especially knowing that the game now
Speaker 1: it's going to be moved out to Tuesday. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting how they played and how the week
Speaker 1: is going to form. Well, it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how the week is going to form. From a
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys perspective, because we've got to find topics to
Speaker 1: talk about all week long. So tomorrow homeborway assignment, tone
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Speaker 1: word essay on whether or not the Cowboys or the
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Speaker 1: on the fifty question, starting with Gary, Well, wait, actually
Speaker 1: I forgot the stinger. Okay, wait, fans on the fifty,
Speaker 1: Oh it didn't fire off. This is this is this
Speaker 1: is not just this is unfortunate, this is this is sad.
Speaker 1: It's okay, though, It's okay. Chris Beams always doing fantastic
Speaker 1: stuff in the back. So let's go to Gary's question,
Speaker 1: the question for the fans on the fifty. It doesn't
Speaker 1: appear that Ezekiel Elliott fits in Kellen Moore's pass happy offense.
Speaker 1: With that being said, he gave us multiple choices here,
Speaker 1: So so listen up. So A with the front office
Speaker 1: this season, are you going to try and move on
Speaker 1: from Zeke? B? Are you gonna cut ties with Kellen Moore?
Speaker 1: Or see do they run it back next season? Let's
Speaker 1: go with Hekma first. I'm I'm going to see run
Speaker 1: it back. I mean, this is uh gonna be this
Speaker 1: is gonna go down for Zeke is probably one of
Speaker 1: one of his worst statistical years, and so I would
Speaker 1: like to see what he looks like with a healthy
Speaker 1: offensive line. I mean we've we've pretty much just that's
Speaker 1: the point that we have to make with Zeke is
Speaker 1: that he's running behind this makeshift offensive line. Is hard
Speaker 1: for him to try to be the running back that
Speaker 1: we've known him to be in the past. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that I would rush to get rid of
Speaker 1: one of the probably one of the best running backs
Speaker 1: in the league to this point. Rob see run it
Speaker 1: back and basically to what Hekma said that if they
Speaker 1: could take care of the ball next year with Dak
Speaker 1: with you think a healthy offen line, I would imagine
Speaker 1: they put themselves in position to have more leads in
Speaker 1: games and you can actually use ze because they didn't
Speaker 1: give themselves chances and some of it was equ with
Speaker 1: the fumbles, but they haven't given themselves chances to run
Speaker 1: a lot of the times because of turnovers and because
Speaker 1: of deficits and at times situationally you've seen Kelly Moore
Speaker 1: go to the pass and lean pass, so there's been
Speaker 1: that too, But I think they need to be I
Speaker 1: think from a play calling standpoint and from a personnel standpoint,
Speaker 1: they need to be more balanced going forward next year
Speaker 1: when they get healthy. I'm going with options to see
Speaker 1: with a conversation. Okay, right, run it back, but Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore needs to sit down. Mike McCarthy needs to called
Speaker 1: Keller more into the office and sit him down in
Speaker 1: a little man's chair. So Mike mccarthney needs to have
Speaker 1: a big chair and Keller Mortys have a little chair.
Speaker 1: He needs to say, Hey, we have this dude back
Speaker 1: here who's a dog on goon and we need to
Speaker 1: find a way to get him the ball. I know
Speaker 1: that you'd like to throw the rock, right, I know
Speaker 1: that's your thing. However, if you can't find a way
Speaker 1: to get him his touches twenty times a game, then
Speaker 1: guess what I'm going to take? Go? Rest offers a coordinator.
Speaker 1: Do you think that conversation happens well before the off season?
Speaker 1: Though I would. I would have liked to have seen
Speaker 1: it already, but obviously we haven't. I think I think
Speaker 1: it may have happened the week before last, and then
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I appease, coach. Now I'm
Speaker 1: going back to what I know, back to so I mean,
Speaker 1: there has to be some form of consistency there. You
Speaker 1: have to be able to break your you know, break
Speaker 1: your your habits, and right now obviously he hasn't. So
Speaker 1: if we're a cuss, well, no, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean. The last three games before this Thanksgiving one,
Speaker 1: they were balanced. It was good, it was good. You
Speaker 1: saw kind of what you're you're looking for. I just
Speaker 1: wonder for you guys, like, do you think do you
Speaker 1: think can run it these last five games with with
Speaker 1: consistency without Zach? I mean, that's that's the question I
Speaker 1: have because because I just wonder if part of Kellen's
Speaker 1: thinking in the game was we just maybe against that
Speaker 1: particular front, we're just we're running our head into a
Speaker 1: brick wall trying to do it. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: You answered that. I mean the football team we just
Speaker 1: can't run against the period because of their front. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have more, maybe we'll have more luck versus the
Speaker 1: Cincinnatis of the league. Maybe that would be it. I mean,
Speaker 1: even when you look at Baltimore and their front, I
Speaker 1: mean they're pretty stout as well, and so that's gonna
Speaker 1: be another challenge for us. I know we're gonna wait
Speaker 1: to talk about those guys, but that defense is hilacious also,
Speaker 1: so you know, it doesn't get any easier, and especially
Speaker 1: with the personnel that you have. You know, look, man,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of sunshine coming through those dark
Speaker 1: clouds for Zeke. So he's just kinda keep his head
Speaker 1: down and hope for the best through these next five games. Now,
Speaker 1: all four of us and I'll throw se as my
Speaker 1: answer to to run it back. But with all four
Speaker 1: of us saying run it back, I think that applies
Speaker 1: to not only Zeke, but I think it talks about
Speaker 1: really the entire offense. I mean, you're coming back, You're
Speaker 1: hoping your offensive line's healthy, You're hoping those weapons are
Speaker 1: still there and playing well and things like that going
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one. But my question, kind of based
Speaker 1: off A Gary's question, is what should the expectations be
Speaker 1: like with what has happened and what has conspired this year,
Speaker 1: Because seemingly your defense has seen vast improvements, even with
Speaker 1: it being a little banged up as well. Your offense
Speaker 1: has battled through adversity, has battled through these obstacles all
Speaker 1: year long. Once everybody's back and healthy, shouldn't there be
Speaker 1: higher expectations or what is that getting ahead of ourselves
Speaker 1: before it's like, okay, let's figure things out and win
Speaker 1: a couple of games first. Yeah, they need to win
Speaker 1: some games. Yeah, they need to win some games. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think that there is an expectation right now.
Speaker 1: The expectations to go out there and play a consistent
Speaker 1: four quarter game. That's that right now as the standard.
Speaker 1: Once they can do that on a consistent basis, we
Speaker 1: can talk about expectations beyond it. Rob play consistent four
Speaker 1: quarter game, Yeah, play consistent four quarter game and don't
Speaker 1: turn it over. Because I don't know who's gonna win
Speaker 1: this division. I think it's it's looking tough for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys based off the tiebreakers and technically being last. But
Speaker 1: what's interesting, I just I looked at the at the
Speaker 1: turnover differential for all four teams, and it runs in
Speaker 1: line with the standings right now. Like Washington, I think
Speaker 1: or the Giants are the only team with a plus
Speaker 1: turnover margin, and there I guess in front, maybe by
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker. If that's correct, Washington's right behind him. Cowboys
Speaker 1: are last. Cowboys are last in the league, I think
Speaker 1: in turnover differential, like no, none of these teams have
Speaker 1: a margin for error. So if you dig yourself more
Speaker 1: of a problem with turnovers, you're gonna you know, to me,
Speaker 1: that's the team that's gonna wind wind up in last place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If we're talking, if we're talking expectations for this team,
Speaker 1: well next year, what they're gonna do to get back
Speaker 1: to or get half winning ways. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: obviously come down to coach Mike McCarthy. My opinion about
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy prior to him coming here was one that
Speaker 1: he stern guy one that the offensive either the offensive guru,
Speaker 1: just a no nonsense kind of a coach. And you've
Speaker 1: seen him lay into Aaron Rodgers at times where he's
Speaker 1: made he's made bad plays, and other guys as well
Speaker 1: for just playing undisciplined football. This is a this is
Speaker 1: a new look Mike McCarthy here in Dallas, and I'm
Speaker 1: just wanting to see him go back to that. I
Speaker 1: think Isaiah brought up something yesterday that I thought was
Speaker 1: very interesting in saying that he can hear what's about
Speaker 1: to be played, so what called what's being called? So
Speaker 1: he has vieto power over that, and so just I
Speaker 1: want to see him vieto some of these bad decisions
Speaker 1: so that he could come out looking a lot better.
Speaker 1: Because right now, I mean, if you just want to
Speaker 1: give like a grade on the way that this season
Speaker 1: has gone, COVID everything that you can load into that included,
Speaker 1: I still think, man, that you're kind of grading on
Speaker 1: the lower scale because of some of the indecisions or
Speaker 1: lack of good decisions. So you said you want to
Speaker 1: see McCarthy vito one of these bad decisions. How what's
Speaker 1: to say that he hasn't vetoed these bad decisions already.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a couple of bad decisions
Speaker 1: that make it into actual play calls, and I know
Speaker 1: he didn't veto those, but there's a couple of them
Speaker 1: that you could say, hey, maybe he did veto this
Speaker 1: there and the other, because there's no way for us
Speaker 1: to actually tell from the outside looking in, right, I'm
Speaker 1: sure of that, right, And even I say even with players,
Speaker 1: I talk about the disciplinary, disciplinarian part of Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: when he was in Green Bay. We haven't seen him
Speaker 1: bench anyone yet. We got rid of some guys that
Speaker 1: weren't producing, and then there were those murmurs earlier in
Speaker 1: the season about some guy on the inside saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't trust the coaches or what have you.
Speaker 1: I just think that that part of it, when your
Speaker 1: team that there's decisions that's being made and you see
Speaker 1: your team just I don't want to say quit, but
Speaker 1: the bottom fallout on your team. I think that's I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you gotta come back and you gotta recognize that, and
Speaker 1: that's what he's gonna have to make up for with
Speaker 1: this team next year. That's just my that's my opinion
Speaker 1: on it. UM. Yeah, Mike McCarthy has. I am unimpressed
Speaker 1: by him this year, unfortunately, and I was really high
Speaker 1: on him coming in. UM. It's simply because of some
Speaker 1: of those things that you mentioned, right, his his ability
Speaker 1: to UH control a team, his ability to get across
Speaker 1: his culture, his ability to get across his his philosophies.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that we have We haven't seen
Speaker 1: that come through, at least not the way in which
Speaker 1: we intended it to UM. And I think, I know
Speaker 1: we all have had high expectations, but UH three and
Speaker 1: eight is definitely well below, well below any of our
Speaker 1: expectations for him coming in UM. And obviously he's had
Speaker 1: a lot of curveballs to overcome, I mean, this first year,
Speaker 1: as has any other coach. Yeah, there's a knuckleball, definitely
Speaker 1: a check no allbuck for sure, But but I mean
Speaker 1: he has to find a way, you know, when you
Speaker 1: when you're and I guess just just as players have
Speaker 1: to separate themselves from the competition, coaches have to separate
Speaker 1: themselves from the competition as well, and they get graded,
Speaker 1: they get critiqued as well by management. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that he has responded the way in which he
Speaker 1: has needed to. I don't think that he's used his
Speaker 1: authority UH to enforce certain measures to ensure that these
Speaker 1: guys are on the right track. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: reprimanded guys, at least from what we can tell. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's reprimanded guys in a way that is
Speaker 1: conducive to a change in behavior throughout throughout his his roster. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that I think he could
Speaker 1: have done. He's obviously Heckman is already touched based on
Speaker 1: his play calling and his his his lack thereof canceling
Speaker 1: out from what we can see canceling plays coming through
Speaker 1: like I've seen in the past through other coaches. So
Speaker 1: there's is a lot of things that I think that
Speaker 1: he needs his self evaluate within himself, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: he is because he seems like he's that type of guy.
Speaker 1: But um, there needs to be changed, and he has
Speaker 1: the power to control those things. Everything that he decides
Speaker 1: not to not to change, he's deciding to allow. I
Speaker 1: like this conversation, and I want to continue this when
Speaker 1: we come back on the other side of the break.
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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison and Rob Phillips with you here on
Speaker 1: this Talking Cowboys Tuesday, and I want to continue the
Speaker 1: conversation that we had that Isaiah kind of brought up
Speaker 1: a minute ago. And I know Rob, you were asked
Speaker 1: this on the fan this morning, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a valid question, giving that Jerry Jones this morning when
Speaker 1: asked if Mike McCarthy has had the most thrown at
Speaker 1: him and his first year as a head coach for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Jimmy said, no, he's not. They had
Speaker 1: the worst first year. He said, Jimmy had the first
Speaker 1: worst first year as a head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Rob, or do you think
Speaker 1: it is McCarthy because of the situation a hand with COVID,
Speaker 1: the racial injustice, all sorts of things, and then everything
Speaker 1: that's happened within the last couple weeks as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't here for the start of Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I think I was like seven years old, but so
Speaker 1: I would I would defer to Jerry on that, I guess,
Speaker 1: but but I would say McCarthy just because what I
Speaker 1: told the guys on the fan was, you know, when
Speaker 1: Jimmy came in, it was just a talent issue. They
Speaker 1: were completely devoid of talent for the most part and
Speaker 1: had a rookie quarterback in Troy trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out and getting beat up to Holy hell. And in
Speaker 1: this situation, it's partly talent because of the injuries, but
Speaker 1: it's all this unprecedented stuff that we've never seen before
Speaker 1: that is throwing a wrench. And just try how he
Speaker 1: tries to schedule his team day today. And I know
Speaker 1: I'm sounding like I'm making excuses, but but this is
Speaker 1: this week and next week is just another example. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like he walks into his office every day
Speaker 1: not knowing what he's going to get thrown at him
Speaker 1: and how he's got to prepare his team for the
Speaker 1: every week because of everything that's going on and mass
Speaker 1: wearing and all those things social distancing that are probably
Speaker 1: preventing him from from establishing kind of that close culture
Speaker 1: that I'm sure he wants with his team just because
Speaker 1: of the nature of our world right now. So I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say, Mike, just because we've never
Speaker 1: seen a season like this ever. Yeah, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: all you have to say to that is twenty twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. And I understand where Jerry is where
Speaker 1: he's coming from on that because when Jimmy Johnson took over,
Speaker 1: you gotta think and they had just fired Tom coach
Speaker 1: Tom Landry and so that is an institution here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: So it was tough for Jimmy to take over and
Speaker 1: then coach uh in that climate here in Dallas and
Speaker 1: then not, you know, win one game. So it was tough. Right.
Speaker 1: There's just media all over and things like that, but
Speaker 1: no one has had to deal with all of this
Speaker 1: COVID stuff. I mean, for the first time we had
Speaker 1: a scrimmage with no numbers on the jerseys, you guys
Speaker 1: had to do a three hour broadcast where we didn't
Speaker 1: see any plays. We just listen to you guys for
Speaker 1: three hours. I mean, I forgot about that. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget about that night, all right, And so I mean
Speaker 1: it's been so it's been so much happening this year
Speaker 1: that has been unprecedented, and with the injuries and everything else. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you can look back to that time, it is
Speaker 1: comparable as far as what Jimmy had to go through
Speaker 1: as a coach. But if Jimmy had to deal with
Speaker 1: COVID and that at the same time, Man, we probably
Speaker 1: would have lost double the games that we're not even
Speaker 1: on the schedule, double double. Yeah, it had been hard.
Speaker 1: We lost fifteen. We lost fifteen games there. Anyway, just
Speaker 1: let it happen. That's that's the part. That's the part
Speaker 1: where you just let it happen and move on. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you totally redeem yourself, totally redeem yourself. Um.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm like Rob, I wasn't. I wasn't really
Speaker 1: um running around here when when Jimmy was here. Um.
Speaker 1: But McCarthy has had it rough man. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm team no excuse, I'm team find a way. So
Speaker 1: I'm probably one of the least empathetic people that you
Speaker 1: probably run into, maybe because some of the stuff I've
Speaker 1: went through in my life. But you know, he has
Speaker 1: a ton of resources. Man. He probably has the most
Speaker 1: amount of resources at his at his disposal in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. And trust me, I've been around um So
Speaker 1: he has the great the greatest support system, he has
Speaker 1: the greatest resources. He has a great coach and staff.
Speaker 1: He has one of the most talented rosters. We gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out, man, I mean I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't hit you. What's up? I gotta do this, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta hit you. I gotta hit you with a
Speaker 1: standback is m Listen here, Isaiah? You know there are
Speaker 1: there are there are rookies that we had that we
Speaker 1: didn't even get a look at these guys until August.
Speaker 1: You know, so you gotta you gotta give him some
Speaker 1: slack there. I know, team no excuse, that's that's real, right.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what we're what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: they've had to go through, and all of the teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL have had to go through. Man, this
Speaker 1: is for a first year coach, that's a pretty impossible task. See,
Speaker 1: And normally I would agree with you, and I did
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. I was on the
Speaker 1: train of saying, this is a first year head coach.
Speaker 1: But there's other first year head coaches that are seeing
Speaker 1: some success. One of them, Mike Stefanski up in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: is doing plenty well with a first year job in
Speaker 1: Cleveland after turning around the team that was detrimental a
Speaker 1: year ago. And Mike McCarthy has want to suit and
Speaker 1: I know they've had injuries too much like the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying this here. You have a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator that's trying to play a three four a scheme
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the personnel to play it with.
Speaker 1: Doesn't So if you want to talk about Stefanski and
Speaker 1: what he's doing, he's already had a power running team
Speaker 1: and okay Chubb as a running back to run behind
Speaker 1: that you come in and implement Hollo time out, time out.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's talk about you haven't you didn't
Speaker 1: lose one, two, three four offensive linemen? Yeah, come on. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack and dak So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I get a team no excuse and we want to,
Speaker 1: you know, roll them up, but we can. You gotta
Speaker 1: just state the facts on what's there. So if you
Speaker 1: want to pull out Stefanski, please see the fact that
Speaker 1: Stefanski asked the personnel to play the scheme that he
Speaker 1: wants to. In the same on defense, look at what
Speaker 1: he inherited with those first rounders. On his defense, I
Speaker 1: leaned towards what heck said, Isaiah, just because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the top guys that you need to
Speaker 1: win games are in the training room this year. But no,
Speaker 1: but you got to you guys point. You know, there's
Speaker 1: coaches like like Joe Judge in New York. He's getting
Speaker 1: praised for kind of putting his print on the program,
Speaker 1: his culture on the program, and so he's been able
Speaker 1: to do that. I think Mike's culture, Isaiah is like,
Speaker 1: I go back to the turnovers, like that was his
Speaker 1: biggest thing in Green Bay. They took care of the ball,
Speaker 1: They were disciplined in that way, and a lot of
Speaker 1: that's dude, Aaron Rodgers just being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: But they haven't gotten that part of it down with
Speaker 1: Mike here yet. I hear what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: and I respect what you guys are saying. However, however,
Speaker 1: you look at a team like the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: have they not had a ton of injuries? Yeay, have
Speaker 1: have they not lost. Yeah, have they not lost the
Speaker 1: guys that they depend on to go out there and
Speaker 1: help them win games? Ye like, But yet they have
Speaker 1: two more wins than we have. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at our you look at you talk about the defense
Speaker 1: as scheme. Don't run that scheme. You don't have the players.
Speaker 1: Don't run the scheme. Right, even though that might be
Speaker 1: your guy, right that you brought in. You made a decision.
Speaker 1: That's a decision. You can't use that decision as an excuse. Right.
Speaker 1: You tell me that he has the inability to run
Speaker 1: a four three defense. No, he could run a four
Speaker 1: three defense until he gets the personnel that he needs
Speaker 1: to be efficient with a three four defense. We have
Speaker 1: given up the most amount of points this year in
Speaker 1: the league, in the league, and we have and we
Speaker 1: haven't had a ton of injuries on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. So let's not make this we've lost the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. But what's the excuse for
Speaker 1: what's the excuse forgetting up the most amount of points
Speaker 1: in the league? Right, So do some things or decisions,
Speaker 1: some things you're handed and you have to deal with.
Speaker 1: And I'm all about overcoming adversity. Trust me, if anybody
Speaker 1: understands that. I understand it. Right. You find a way, though,
Speaker 1: but you find a way. You don't find an excuse,
Speaker 1: you find a way. Now, you could definitely argue, you
Speaker 1: could definitely argue that they tried to do too much
Speaker 1: defensively right off the bat, you know, given the circumstances,
Speaker 1: kind of put them in a hole too. With that,
Speaker 1: And I want to go with this defensive question from
Speaker 1: Johnny on Twitter. He said, why do you think the
Speaker 1: defense can't hold up for four quarters? Is it fatigue?
Speaker 1: Is it players? Is a scheme or a combination of
Speaker 1: all three? And I think this kind of has to
Speaker 1: do with the fact of what we were just talking about,
Speaker 1: of maybe Mike Nolan getting a little a little out
Speaker 1: in front of things, and because of that, and because
Speaker 1: of the personnel that you had and the injuries that
Speaker 1: you had earlier in the season, you weren't able to
Speaker 1: compete the right way and weren't able to get everything
Speaker 1: that you thought originally was going to work out for you.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see what you guys think. Isaiah
Speaker 1: will start here one more time. Yes, so is what
Speaker 1: is holding the defense back and why they can't hold
Speaker 1: up for four quarters. Is it fatigue, players, scheme or
Speaker 1: all four? I think I don't think it's fatigue. I
Speaker 1: mean I think these guys had you know, obviously with
Speaker 1: coach Paul just just passing these guys, I've had both
Speaker 1: of those strength coaches, him and coaching Nash. Those guys
Speaker 1: are amazing, So I not know they're in condition regardless
Speaker 1: if they had to do it virtually or not. So
Speaker 1: that's not an excuse because everybody had their partner in that.
Speaker 1: I think it's scheme. I think it was. I think
Speaker 1: some of it was personnel early on. I mean I
Speaker 1: think another portion of it it was just the guy's
Speaker 1: not buying in. I don't think guys believe in the scheme.
Speaker 1: So I think I think the se're talking about before
Speaker 1: the release of Poe and Worly and maybe even Griffin
Speaker 1: because of his I'm talking about it then, and I'm
Speaker 1: even talking about now. I mean we're talking about now.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm thinking I think I still think that
Speaker 1: some of the decisions that they're making, I e. Playing
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have nothing against Jalen, but like
Speaker 1: Jalen has not been effective for us, he just has
Speaker 1: it right. Maybe he's having a bad year like Zeke.
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, but I know that there was
Speaker 1: a guy in there by the name of Joan Thomas
Speaker 1: who who's doing a dog on good job. Prior to
Speaker 1: having to get pulled out. He was one of our
Speaker 1: most So you talk about somebody who's coming in, who
Speaker 1: was making an impact, who was flying around and all
Speaker 1: those kind of things, he just needed reps and continue developing.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden these guys show up who get
Speaker 1: a bigger paycheck to him, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he has to take a seat, right, So you got
Speaker 1: you know, So there's there's things like that that I
Speaker 1: think guys overall on a defense side of the ball,
Speaker 1: I just think they came down to lack of communication
Speaker 1: and guys just totally just not buying in. Rob Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's been partially scheme and guys trying
Speaker 1: to understand what they're supposed to do and buy in
Speaker 1: and uh. And I think personnel wise too, I think
Speaker 1: we're going to see changes on defense. They're definitely playing
Speaker 1: better overall than they have the last few years, but
Speaker 1: I think they've they need to add Like I think
Speaker 1: what Heckma said, they need to add some more playmakers
Speaker 1: that fit what they're trying to do schematically, and they've
Speaker 1: got a few, but um, I just think they've from
Speaker 1: a personnel standpoint, they've gotten beaten by just better, better
Speaker 1: offenses this year, you know, by teams with more talent.
Speaker 1: You know. My my take on this, guys, is the
Speaker 1: fact that our defense don't know what the hell they're doing.
Speaker 1: And you see that with some of the you know,
Speaker 1: last minute of the alignments and Troy Egmans called them
Speaker 1: keystone cops. I mean, that's the only way to kind
Speaker 1: of put it together, the way that they're running around
Speaker 1: pre snap. Even on the interception by Jalen, he was
Speaker 1: out of position in the ball just seemingly fell in
Speaker 1: his lap, you know. And we haven't talked about that interception.
Speaker 1: Maybe stay away from it for Isaiah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like this defense, the scheme that they're playing,
Speaker 1: doesn't fit the personnel that they have. You're asking for
Speaker 1: three guys and now be three four two gap of
Speaker 1: signment alignment kind of guys and read there read the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that may not have been their skill set.
Speaker 1: And again without OTAs and all of those things, it
Speaker 1: increased that and if you think you can teach that
Speaker 1: through the season for guys that have been playing a
Speaker 1: certain scheme their entire career, you're wrong. And this is
Speaker 1: the byproduct of it, right. And look, we're lighting the
Speaker 1: loafers up front. You see guys that play the three four,
Speaker 1: they're bigger guys. They are a bigger guys like Klaias
Speaker 1: Campbell that can play that two gap of signment easier.
Speaker 1: Their defensive ends are bigger because of the responsibilities of
Speaker 1: holding up tackles and not getting pushed it inside. We
Speaker 1: see Tank Lawrence's that's been that's been happening to him
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, he's been coming on strong with
Speaker 1: the sacks and things like that. But we are susceptible
Speaker 1: in the run and god man, let's tell our secondary
Speaker 1: just our safeties. What do I have to say about
Speaker 1: the performance of these guys. I mean, and even if
Speaker 1: you're looking for some type of leadership, your play has
Speaker 1: to make dictate that you're a leader. So who are
Speaker 1: we going to look to? I like it. That's a
Speaker 1: good way to end this show. Let's go drop the
Speaker 1: mic e my heros face dropped it fantastic. Well, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Here for us, here on talking cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's the way to end the show. I love it. Anyways.
Speaker 1: With that being said, we will be back tomorrow nine
Speaker 1: thirty right on the Dot. Will be ready to go.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what we're gonna talk about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to figure something out and have some fun.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and if you are, if you want,
Speaker 1: start sending all of your your your your baked goods
Speaker 1: and your treats to Chris Beam in the back because
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna ask him about maybe doing fan
Speaker 1: calls and maybe trying to get on the phone. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's gonna happen. Right start buttering them up.
Speaker 1: We got we gotta start. Bring your bring your smoked
Speaker 1: mac and cheese. HECMA, get Nikki to make some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that she made for Thanksgiving and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. We'll just bring it all to Chris and
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