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Speaker 1: er Mickey Spagnola Back at Mickey, what's up, Mick? Just
Speaker 1: trying to get this headsett Yeah, we got it. We've
Speaker 1: got a little technical How are we doing, guys, how
Speaker 1: are we doing? That's all right, I don't need it.
Speaker 1: You're doing fine. You're doing fine. Welcome in, Mack, Welcome
Speaker 1: into Talking Cowboys. On a rainy Thursday, bad rainy Thursday.
Speaker 1: Here at the Start in Frisco. I ran past three
Speaker 1: accidents this morning. Is that right? In a half hour
Speaker 1: drive or any of them? Amari Cooper hurting his name,
Speaker 1: Oh no, but there was a lady on a stretcher,
Speaker 1: getting ready to get it in the MS. Boy, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: it's not what you want. No, people just slow down
Speaker 1: if you're local. Thanks everybody on Periscope for the welcome.
Speaker 1: I'm so popped. It's been a minute since you've been
Speaker 1: on the show. We love having you as always a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably a year. It's been a long time. I'm a backup,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like a strong bench player. Anybody needs me,
Speaker 1: I will step up. Darry and Thompson filling in really
Speaker 1: good last week against the Giants. Just like that. She's
Speaker 1: known as microwave. Vinnie Johnson. Yeah, Pistons back in the day,
Speaker 1: immediate offense, right, Bill Jones doing his TV thing today.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us not here today. By the way, I
Speaker 1: peeked in on the TV they're taping right now. Every
Speaker 1: one of them has a dark black code on and
Speaker 1: I looked in there. It's like a bunch of undertakers
Speaker 1: in there. Is that like the uniform for the show.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they all wore the same thing
Speaker 1: Vikings on Sunday Night. That's what they're getting at. I
Speaker 1: got a prediction already. We can get to that we'll
Speaker 1: get to that. We can get to that as well.
Speaker 1: We might get to a little game that Lindsey came
Speaker 1: up with a week ago that I'm all about games.
Speaker 1: Mickey tells me every day he wishes we played more
Speaker 1: games on the air. Does bar games? We got a
Speaker 1: bar game today? Where's the beer? I would love that,
Speaker 1: But that's that's reserved for the happy hour on Wednesday nights.
Speaker 1: Go check that out last night. And we had a
Speaker 1: good happy It was great, right. Everson Walls is wonderful.
Speaker 1: I told him he needs to do more stuff. He
Speaker 1: is so interesting and so funny and uh and he's
Speaker 1: and he's very perceptive about what's going on with the team.
Speaker 1: And he's not afraid to say it. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you know when you get to that point in
Speaker 1: your former career or whatever. It's not a career now,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's he's unfiltered. I love it. We're thinking
Speaker 1: about mixing him in the pregame live mix. Yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: open that he's good. What What was his thoughts on
Speaker 1: the team? Oh, he he likes it. He thinks they're
Speaker 1: awfully good. Yeah, they just need to play like it
Speaker 1: from the jump, from yes first quarter, just the whole game.
Speaker 1: You know that the three games they lost, they probably
Speaker 1: feels like they shouldn't have lost. Um and I it
Speaker 1: was funny. I gave Cory a homework signment. Somebody goes,
Speaker 1: he's not your intern anymore. I got Corey Majors from
Speaker 1: the fan. He was on last night too, Yeah, along
Speaker 1: with Nick and I and Shannon nice Um. But when
Speaker 1: when Wall said he finished, I mean we knew what
Speaker 1: he finished with his career with fifty seven interceptions, I said,
Speaker 1: how many years do the leath You think we have
Speaker 1: to go back and add up team interceptions to get
Speaker 1: to fifty seven, and my guess is at least ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean how many of they had in the last
Speaker 1: five six seven? You know five a year? Man, there
Speaker 1: was one year Jeff Heath led him with two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was NFC Defensive Player of the Week.
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods leads the team right now with two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he got him in the last two games. And
Speaker 1: I looked it up. Um, I think it's the first
Speaker 1: time since December of last year they've had multiple takeaways
Speaker 1: in consecutive games. And they always say it comes in bunches,
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's the turning point. I mean, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett said the other day, this is the thing that
Speaker 1: getting to elite level, this is the next step. Lens.
Speaker 1: What if they had like eight now in two games
Speaker 1: the Eagle seven, They've got twelve of the season, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now the middle of the seven rise.
Speaker 1: I must have miscounted and going back and watching when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had that interception early on in the season. Cheeto, cheeto, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right on the sideline. Yeah, that is when I
Speaker 1: made up in my mind that that's what this team
Speaker 1: is missing, period, because when you get an interception, not
Speaker 1: not only it's force fum will take away anything, but
Speaker 1: when you get an interception. I watched the sideline and
Speaker 1: they literally came on glued, and not only you're giving
Speaker 1: your offense an extra chance, but the momentum that this
Speaker 1: team never has. That momentum. It's not like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that was a bad possessional offense. These guys are going
Speaker 1: to come out and take the ball away and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get it back down. That that's just you don't
Speaker 1: think that way with this team because it doesn't happen frequently.
Speaker 1: That's when I realized that's the missing piece. You need
Speaker 1: those takeaways, you need that juice and this defense when
Speaker 1: they do it, I mean, it's unreal, it's unstoppable. So
Speaker 1: I see other teams do it, Like when Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: was out, the Chiefs defense came up big, gotta takeaway
Speaker 1: they want. You know, it's just like, wow, that is
Speaker 1: it's so much bigger than you think it is. I
Speaker 1: think that Philly game was this team's max but maybe
Speaker 1: not even max potential, but exactly what they can be.
Speaker 1: You win by twenty seven, you start several drives deep
Speaker 1: into the other team's territory and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: Now we talk about slow starts and all that, if
Speaker 1: you're not having to go seventy five yards every time,
Speaker 1: your offense can be that much more efficient for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to some news of the day.
Speaker 1: The Cowboy's practicing indoors because it is rainy outside here
Speaker 1: at the start, Mick, we got some injury updates. We
Speaker 1: do one on a Maury Cooper. Mary Cooper had a
Speaker 1: MRI on his knee yesterday, so I'm assuming that meant
Speaker 1: he was very limited in practice, which was a limited
Speaker 1: practice anyway. They had him this morning visiting with the doctor,
Speaker 1: so they were waiting to get the final results on
Speaker 1: the MRI. I would imagine he probably doesn't practice today.
Speaker 1: If he does, it's going to be very limited. I
Speaker 1: was told though that he should be able to They
Speaker 1: should be able to have him ready for the game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. So they're very hopeful. They're camp Fleming's out again.
Speaker 1: He may be out another week even after this. So
Speaker 1: with that calf injury and Jeff Heath ended up with
Speaker 1: those twelve stitches in his knee that's limitating how much
Speaker 1: he can run. They're trying to do whatever they can
Speaker 1: to get him to the game on Sunday. So a
Speaker 1: little bit of a concern there and Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: My understanding is should be good to go for the
Speaker 1: game on Sunday. It sounds good. That's progress. Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: with the stitches, it was twelve, right, twelve stitches, and
Speaker 1: he's got a little shoulder problem going on also, but
Speaker 1: it's more they feel like they can control that in
Speaker 1: kind of get him through games. Um, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the stitches will probably limit how much he's able to
Speaker 1: do running around when there's contact out there. By the way,
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Speaker 1: So the Amari. You know, he's had multiple things he's
Speaker 1: been dealing with since training camp. Does that concern you
Speaker 1: guys at all that over the course of the season,
Speaker 1: it's been the foot, it's been the ankle. Now the
Speaker 1: knee bruise that that bothered him during the Giants game,
Speaker 1: you guys concern with it? I know Mickey felt like
Speaker 1: he's there's they're optimistic he can play. Yeah. One thing
Speaker 1: I do like is how honest he is with us
Speaker 1: in the locker room about it. It's like, no, you
Speaker 1: know it's sixty percent and the next week actually know
Speaker 1: that the heel is done. It's just my ankle. Nolley
Speaker 1: like he will come out and tell us, or he'll
Speaker 1: do like he did in the Jets game and run
Speaker 1: his route and then just step out of bounds and
Speaker 1: be like I'm out I'm not going to play don punches.
Speaker 1: You're right, Yeah, I think the encouraging thing is is
Speaker 1: that he came out of the game for I don't know,
Speaker 1: was it a series, maybe two series, and then he
Speaker 1: came back and played. Yeah, right, right right. If you
Speaker 1: can do that, then you're not totally debilitated. Do you
Speaker 1: think maybe something flared up and that's why. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a bruise, and if they're mr
Speaker 1: eying it, it's got to be more than a bruise, right,
Speaker 1: Maybe he has a loose piece of cartilage in there,
Speaker 1: or meniscus or something that they're swelling that's floating around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they got to be careful on that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounded like, you know, they felt hopeful that he'd
Speaker 1: be there to you know, get in the game. You know,
Speaker 1: I need to double check this before I said that.
Speaker 1: When Lindsay was talking about the importance of those takeaways,
Speaker 1: remember we had talked about it last week that they
Speaker 1: had in those first six games, they had never started
Speaker 1: a possession on the impotent side of the fifty yard line,
Speaker 1: and then against Philadelphia they ended up with four possessions
Speaker 1: on their side of the fifty in this pass game.
Speaker 1: Three more against the Giants. So after you go six
Speaker 1: games with none, you go two games with seven. It's
Speaker 1: rather remarkable. With turnover takeaways, we'll do for you, no question,
Speaker 1: especially if you can get one in the end zone,
Speaker 1: like Jordan Lewis did at the end. That helps. And
Speaker 1: you know he's his snap count continues to rise, and
Speaker 1: I think that's making a lot of fans happy, even
Speaker 1: though Anthony Brown brings him something on defense as well.
Speaker 1: So well, they just limited. I mean that that was
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's first game back right after the hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: He missed what two games and got knocked out of
Speaker 1: one another, so they just used him when in dying,
Speaker 1: and they didn't play that much dying, but when they did,
Speaker 1: he was the other cornerback on the field in the slot,
Speaker 1: while Lewis ended up starting the game. So we'll see
Speaker 1: where it goes from here. How's the Vikings injury front looking.
Speaker 1: I think Adam Adam feeling looks to be the biggest question.
Speaker 1: Say've got a hamstring and he did not practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: and they did practice yesterday, by the way, so they
Speaker 1: had a couple of guys limited, but no one of
Speaker 1: major significance. I don't think they had a odin Jibo.
Speaker 1: I can't say it a fitty their defense backup defensive end.
Speaker 1: He didn't. Can you say it one more time? Right again?
Speaker 1: Oh fitty fitty? How about that? Try the last name
Speaker 1: odd Nick? Both This needs to be a dry He
Speaker 1: did not practice with a shoulder injury. That's right. So yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: both teams relatively healthy, although we've got to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Amari and Vanderesh. That's a good sign. Although
Speaker 1: you know Sean Lee has played more and more the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks because of lv's injury. How do
Speaker 1: you see that? You guys, who's injury? Lv? E? Call
Speaker 1: you call him Layton? Catch that yesterday? That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Jason was like, I call him Layton l.
Speaker 1: He's gonna They're gonna the Vikings like going two tight ends.
Speaker 1: They play a lot of standard offense. So um, I
Speaker 1: think there's room for all three of those guys to play.
Speaker 1: And then we'll see what happens when they go nickel. Uh,
Speaker 1: if they go to the Sean Lee along with vander
Speaker 1: Esh in the nickel, or if they limit vander Esh
Speaker 1: from the Nickel, uh, since it'll be his first game back,
Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see how they manage the snaps.
Speaker 1: But I just think you'll see more of Sean Lee
Speaker 1: out there because of what the Vikings do, like to
Speaker 1: run the ball behind two tight ends. But then again,
Speaker 1: maybe he gives vander esh a little bit of a
Speaker 1: blow so he didn't have to go out there and
Speaker 1: play seventy plays or however many of they play. And
Speaker 1: in the Nickel, maybe he goes in and Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: gets a break there because before they were giving him
Speaker 1: a break and he was a stand up guy on
Speaker 1: the defensive line. And now with Michael Bennett, I don't
Speaker 1: think they have to do that. I think it's better
Speaker 1: to have Michael Bennett out there. And our Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: yesterday asked during the press conference to Jason, is it
Speaker 1: hard when you have a guy like Shan Lee, who
Speaker 1: now you know, he played so great, played so much
Speaker 1: and you have to pull him back And Jason didn't
Speaker 1: hold anything back. He said, absolutely, it's hard. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I kind of I'm the momentum trained person,
Speaker 1: like I'm like, Okay, Layton, why don't you just maybe
Speaker 1: rest more a little bit and we'll see what Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee continues to do. I mean that was I did
Speaker 1: the pre and postgame show with Barry Church, who played
Speaker 1: alongside Shawn Lee, and he was just like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is the Shawn Lee of my day back in the day.
Speaker 1: And Brian has really been harping on Sean's like to
Speaker 1: your point, he's one of these momentum guys, like he
Speaker 1: needs to get in the flow of a game, flow
Speaker 1: of a defense, see what defense or offenses you're trying
Speaker 1: to do, and he gets better and better. I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you see that with running back sometimes
Speaker 1: they got to get into a flow. I just I
Speaker 1: think there's a way to get him all three on
Speaker 1: the field, and because van Vikings will get him all
Speaker 1: three of the field. Yeah, and vander esche start. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the future of this thing. And I think he's
Speaker 1: played well. It's just he hasn't necessarily made those big
Speaker 1: time plays behind the line of scrimmage that really got
Speaker 1: people howling and doing all that last year a lot
Speaker 1: of howling. Not not as much howling, but he's yeah,
Speaker 1: make sure, but he's been productive. Um, well, isn't he
Speaker 1: like leading the team or did ja Jalen took over
Speaker 1: because he's just those games. Yeah, he had sixty six tackles.
Speaker 1: He was leading the team until he missed the games.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt this is probably the
Speaker 1: deepest position on the team, and then you got to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah last week. Absolutely, and we didn't even
Speaker 1: I don't think we've touched on Joe Thomas, who played
Speaker 1: a little bit in the game as well and is
Speaker 1: filled in for Sean. But just remember that Sean was
Speaker 1: back at his old position. Oh yeah, and the weak
Speaker 1: side linebacker spot is supposed to do what he did.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the active guy. You're uncovered and
Speaker 1: you run to the ball. It's very hard to stand
Speaker 1: out as a I mean, name me the best strong
Speaker 1: side linebacker. Strong Side linebackers are just kind of there, right,
Speaker 1: and they don't play that much because they come out
Speaker 1: on nickel. So especially the way offenses are now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean everybody's playing three y. Yeah. I mean that
Speaker 1: position was made for Sean Lee, right, like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: most brilliant guy. He lives in this building. Film is
Speaker 1: his thing. I mean that he knows what guys are
Speaker 1: going to do before they do. It before the snap.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is made for that position period, and
Speaker 1: that's why they moved him over there to begin with,
Speaker 1: was to cover him up a little bit more and
Speaker 1: allow him to flow to the ball and make plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Vanderesh does the same thing, and could he could play
Speaker 1: all three positions two if something happens to Jalen, he
Speaker 1: can go in the middle if they want. You know,
Speaker 1: it's uh, he's just so valuable even if he's what
Speaker 1: thirty thirty three years old something like that. He's kind
Speaker 1: of like Witten on the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: you know. He said after the game, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm playing in high school again, just having fun out there.
Speaker 1: When people are saying that you turned back the clock.
Speaker 1: Something's working and I think, you know, Witten had a
Speaker 1: year off, so we've seen that a little bit more
Speaker 1: run after catch from him. But Sean Lee is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all anyone's saying. It's like, you look vinted Shaun Lee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think something's clicking. Big time performance from him. Anything
Speaker 1: popping on periscope, Lots of questions about the offensive line,
Speaker 1: lots of shouts out to our man Brian broad Us
Speaker 1: offensive line Mickey once you've gone back and watched the game.
Speaker 1: Was it just because the Giants are not good? I
Speaker 1: mean I think the Cowboys have played not good teams
Speaker 1: already this season and they haven't played as good as
Speaker 1: they did on Yeah. I don't think the Giants defensive
Speaker 1: front is all that great, but they did what they
Speaker 1: should have done. You know, they dominated him. I mean
Speaker 1: they had huge holes you could have driven a truck through.
Speaker 1: And even Zeke admitted it. You know that those guys
Speaker 1: were mauling them up from Yeah, he didn't want hy
Speaker 1: credit makes it makes my job easy. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought they played awfully well. And think about it, they're
Speaker 1: probably a little healthier too, especially the tackles because they
Speaker 1: came back and played that Philadelphia game. They played through
Speaker 1: something when they were should have said I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: through it. Yeah, and that and that speaks to those
Speaker 1: guys their character that they wanted to be out there. Now,
Speaker 1: this will be a much bigger test going up against
Speaker 1: this Vikings front. When you have Daniel Hunter with eight
Speaker 1: and a half sacks and Everson Griffin the other defensive
Speaker 1: end with five and a half. Those two guys have
Speaker 1: fourteen sacks. Now I'm a little skeptical on this number
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks are thirty five and thirty four? Well what
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys? Well, I don't know, but that's sixty
Speaker 1: nine quarterback hits in nine games by two guys. This
Speaker 1: is probably the best ten him of edge rushers they'll
Speaker 1: face so far this season, without question. And Hunter got
Speaker 1: two sacks against the Cowboys in twenty sixteen when that
Speaker 1: was a rock fight between those two teams. Seventeen so ugly,
Speaker 1: and I got reminded and I was thinking, this was
Speaker 1: the second time that Mike Zimmer was going to be
Speaker 1: a head coach against the Cowboys. But he didn't coach
Speaker 1: in that game. If you remember, he had the eye
Speaker 1: surgery and he had to stay home. That's right, revenge season, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sunday night, and so he wasn't able to be on
Speaker 1: the field that game, which I'm sure just absolutely killed him,
Speaker 1: knowing him and how competitive he is. After I saw
Speaker 1: who Hugh Freeze in a hospital bed up in the
Speaker 1: press box coaching, I realized how much these coaches want
Speaker 1: to be at you. You know that that was right.
Speaker 1: I know that first sand right, No, at firsthand. But
Speaker 1: there are just some funny things that you see that
Speaker 1: you're coaches will do oh okay, like you're in a
Speaker 1: hospital bed in the in the upstairs, in the booth,
Speaker 1: got it with the window of view, yep, playing on
Speaker 1: the bed car that was. Did they least kind of
Speaker 1: prop them up a little? Yes, there's there's a clip
Speaker 1: of a coach walking through the fifty yard line and
Speaker 1: he looks up and goes like this and raises his
Speaker 1: hand in the air and they pan up to the
Speaker 1: booth and Hugh Freeze, I think it's Freeze, am I right,
Speaker 1: he's got his bist rays from a hospital. Bad that Sorry,
Speaker 1: I got up top big. Be your best, regardless of circumstance.
Speaker 1: That's what they always say. So yeah, and zim I
Speaker 1: wrote about it yesterday. Vikings defense for the last five
Speaker 1: years or five five of the last six years, they've
Speaker 1: been top ten defense, and they've had a lot of
Speaker 1: stability on defense. You mentioned some of the guys, Mick.
Speaker 1: Their linebackers are solid. They may have the best safety
Speaker 1: tannem in the league. Um, you can't get off to
Speaker 1: a slow start against this defense, I don't think. Oh,
Speaker 1: and you better not turn the ball over either, because
Speaker 1: play of the game. Yeah, you know, while their their
Speaker 1: offense has kind of sputtered at times. You know, the
Speaker 1: games they they've lost. The only game they scored some
Speaker 1: points when they've lost is this past week against Kansas City,
Speaker 1: but they did score twenty three, got beat twenty six
Speaker 1: twenty three. But the other games were sixteen six and
Speaker 1: twenty one sixteen. So again, if you can, you know,
Speaker 1: manage to score some points, uh, you certainly help out
Speaker 1: your defense against a team that has some weapons on
Speaker 1: offense with Delvin Cook, and you know, Kirk Cousins can
Speaker 1: can do a number on you. Except the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had his number during his career with the Redskins. So
Speaker 1: is it Kirk Cousin or was it who he was
Speaker 1: playing with? But they did go six and one against
Speaker 1: him when he was with the Redskins. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: I legitimately think people think they're going to get picked
Speaker 1: up out here. I think this is their tryout, like
Speaker 1: full blown sweating tearaways nine routes up on set. It's wild,
Speaker 1: So don't do that, but come hang out. I think
Speaker 1: mcclay's watching from the way. There's like an ongoing camera
Speaker 1: to just you know, maybe free agent out here from Frisco.
Speaker 1: Every now and then we get a mail back question
Speaker 1: about about check out my mixtape. Oh you don't know
Speaker 1: how many people used to walk up to the ranch
Speaker 1: before there was like security, even a little bit of security.
Speaker 1: They used to walk in and it's like, okay, where's
Speaker 1: the scouting department? I need to try out? Oh my goodness, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's every now and then there's a guy with a
Speaker 1: sign outside, and I'll always stop and talk and give
Speaker 1: props because that's gotta throw some respect on that. Sure,
Speaker 1: why not one day they all they all talking, crowd
Speaker 1: runs me off. They can all still run a four
Speaker 1: four forty two. Oh yeah, legends in their own mind?
Speaker 1: Do you included? Do you realize that back in the day,
Speaker 1: like through the eighties, they used to have an open
Speaker 1: tryout every year in the summer at Texas Stadium. I've
Speaker 1: asked if we can do one, they could watch it.
Speaker 1: It was like you had to pay like I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five dollars or something, and you got a
Speaker 1: T shirt and you bring your spikes and shorts and
Speaker 1: they time him in the forty and put him in
Speaker 1: drills and see if they found somebody that fell through
Speaker 1: the cracks. It was why that's why fourth and Long
Speaker 1: was so successful, because everybody's dream, you know. Jesse Holly
Speaker 1: shouts out, and I think when Jimmy got here. They
Speaker 1: did it like one year and then he was like, seriously,
Speaker 1: we can't be wasting our time like this. Well, you
Speaker 1: gotta respect the hustle man. By the way Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: numbers against the Cowboys, I got this from the great
Speaker 1: Kaden Gates. Cowboys are six and one all time against him.
Speaker 1: I got that right. Twelve touchdowns, five picks. He'll sling
Speaker 1: it down the field. He will sling it down the field.
Speaker 1: He's been sacked thirteen times too. I think Tank Lawrence
Speaker 1: has his most sacks against Cousins more than any other
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL per his career, oh thirt The
Speaker 1: Cowboys of sacked him thirteen to Yeah, he's been sacked
Speaker 1: thirteen times. He's taken the care of the ball better
Speaker 1: though this year only three picks sixteen Dalvin helping out.
Speaker 1: That helps to have the most productive running back in
Speaker 1: the league to date. I wonder if that'll add any
Speaker 1: juice for Zeke. It seems like, you know, Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: kind of ticked him off a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know what ticked him off last week. He running angry again.
Speaker 1: You already said yesterday in the locker room. He acknowledged.
Speaker 1: He said, there's been guys in the league that have
Speaker 1: been better than me this year, which you don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: a guy as great as he is, and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: he's the best player on the team pound for pound.
Speaker 1: You don't always hear a guy acknowledged that. But he said,
Speaker 1: that's so, that's okay. They feel like they're they're finding
Speaker 1: a groove in the run game. Half well, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't open the floodgates with Delvin Cook and he
Speaker 1: has his normal hundred yard performance, he'll be right back
Speaker 1: in the rushing title race. And he and what is
Speaker 1: he now top? He's like one hundred and fifty behind,
Speaker 1: but he's played nine and Cook's played nine games, so
Speaker 1: that's one hundred game away from and and he wasn't
Speaker 1: in Cobbo for training camp. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And there's probably something to it. Took a little time,
Speaker 1: and I asked Zach Martin about it. He said, we're
Speaker 1: getting back to we're running some plays we're most comfortable
Speaker 1: with in the running game, and we're just there's just
Speaker 1: a better flow that Zeke has said about it, and
Speaker 1: it's probably is a thing takes a little time, even
Speaker 1: with as many years as they played together. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you talked to Nate, Nate, would you know the
Speaker 1: first couple weeks into this season, he was like, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take some time for Zeke. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: going to just run back in here, and I mean
Speaker 1: we are a week was its ten week ten of
Speaker 1: the season. So this kit in his stride right now,
Speaker 1: and I just think about it. If you just watched
Speaker 1: the game last week, he was even more patient than normal,
Speaker 1: and he had a couple more little stutter cuts in
Speaker 1: the backfield before he hit his stride or went back
Speaker 1: the other way. So he was kind of feeling it
Speaker 1: and he just had a better feel for what was
Speaker 1: going on. And so yeah, if you look at all
Speaker 1: the little cuts he made, not the big ones, the
Speaker 1: little ones he made to wait for a hole, to
Speaker 1: wait for a block. He was really really good at
Speaker 1: that last week. And the guy's up front getting to
Speaker 1: the second level and pulling and getting on the move
Speaker 1: in space like it was his beautiful thing to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even screenplays if you catch the ball Tony Pollard, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a rough start for Tony. That
Speaker 1: was a touchdown that was a rough start kickoff, opening kickoff.
Speaker 1: That's going to happen, right, Like from the people I've
Speaker 1: talked to, they're like, Okay, calm down, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie, rookie, Yeah, that's gonna happen. Tried to
Speaker 1: do it too fast, and he was running with the
Speaker 1: ball before he caught it on that screen and he
Speaker 1: probably saw what we all saw. There was open green
Speaker 1: space the whole way with three blockers out front, step
Speaker 1: ahead of himself. Yeah, yep, yep, we've seen Amara Cooper
Speaker 1: do it. I thinks he's got a touchdown, not focusing
Speaker 1: on the ball. Uh. You guys want to take a
Speaker 1: phone call? Sure, a periscope too. Okay, let's let's start
Speaker 1: off with our buddy Nebbi and what up in Silver Spring?
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? Uh? Hi? Everyone? Uh a gut feeling.
Speaker 1: Is Amari Cooper going to play on Sunday? And and
Speaker 1: who's who's who'sn't under who'sn't under the radar? Guy who
Speaker 1: has the step up for us? Uh? In order in
Speaker 1: order for us to beat the Vikings? Uh? I've got one,
Speaker 1: uh Malik a college good one? Yeah? Uh take take care,
Speaker 1: thanks for being patient with me, and have a great week. Bye.
Speaker 1: Thanks Bud, good feeling. Yes, I think he plays on
Speaker 1: Sunday Amari. Yes, all right, I'll let you guys handle
Speaker 1: the other one, the radar guy for Sunday night. Why not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How has Malik played? Do you guys so far in
Speaker 1: this contract? Here last two games, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: maybe his best two games of the season. He's really
Speaker 1: come on these last couple of games. Yeah. And uh,
Speaker 1: And that's why I was going to say, well, is
Speaker 1: he under the radar because the radar was pretty high
Speaker 1: these last two games at least, um, gosh, there's no
Speaker 1: one under the radars Blake Jarwin under the radar. Heck, yes, louder,
Speaker 1: Mickey louder. From the people on periscope, we need more
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. They're asking for that and me, yeah, me
Speaker 1: and the guys on periscope and gals, he's getting what
Speaker 1: twenty five snaps a game something like that. See, here's
Speaker 1: here's here's what it comes down to. Uh. And like
Speaker 1: everybody wants a yell for that, right, But who was
Speaker 1: the leading receiver in the game. It was Jason Witt,
Speaker 1: the goat eight catches for fifty nine yards or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. When when when Jarwin can excel, is they
Speaker 1: get in matchup problems defense. I know you're right, because
Speaker 1: he can if they want to cover, if you go
Speaker 1: to tight ends and you're gonna try and cover them
Speaker 1: with a linebacker, that's probably not going to work out
Speaker 1: so well. And then it doesn't work out when he
Speaker 1: has a head of steam and Genora's Jenkins doesn't oh
Speaker 1: lay on it. That was the most embarrassing at a tackle.
Speaker 1: I think I've never seen that. He put one arm
Speaker 1: out and then did ola like you know people and
Speaker 1: they didn't want anything to do with him. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he can get down the field, but you
Speaker 1: got to get the right matchups in the game, and
Speaker 1: you got to block right, and the whole thing's got
Speaker 1: to work out. But this too tight end offense has
Speaker 1: been very effective. I think blocking too. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: wants me rewide and sling it around and okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but his blocking is improved, and when they go too
Speaker 1: tight it causes a mismatch for opposing defenses. I'll go
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, don't he's not under the radar, but let's
Speaker 1: get him a touchdo touch John's taken away this season?
Speaker 1: Get him Randall Cob in the end zone. He's played
Speaker 1: Minnesota many times in his career. I just feel like
Speaker 1: he and Dag are really close. They're close on having
Speaker 1: a breakout game, especially if a Cob. Yeah, we count
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis is under the radarsolutely well not if
Speaker 1: he's starting. Well, that's that's what I'm getting at, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are we thinking about this? Because this is what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I'm thinking. I did a story on this
Speaker 1: this past offseason, went straight up Christopher Shard. Is this
Speaker 1: guy you're exception to the rule or not? Is he
Speaker 1: going to play more or not? He said he is.
Speaker 1: He's my exception to the rule. He's five to ten,
Speaker 1: doesn't look like all my other guys who trot out
Speaker 1: there every time he makes it. What is it like
Speaker 1: six turnovers from him and how many starts like nine?
Speaker 1: Just around the ball a lot. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna say it's lucky. Like when when the Cowboys drafted
Speaker 1: this guy and I looked at the college film like
Speaker 1: all of us did, like there is some insane talent
Speaker 1: here in athleticism. And he's very, very smart as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer we're gonna have Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis hanging out on the sideline. Well, if you know,
Speaker 1: you get Daniel Jones to throw you a pass and
Speaker 1: Larry Brown interception, he got beat the guy through a
Speaker 1: bad pass right to him. Not this last game, the
Speaker 1: Giants gig, the Eagles gig. Yeah, yeah, it went through
Speaker 1: it right to him. Give the man some credit, but no,
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit for being able to scoop see
Speaker 1: him from everyone else. I want turnovers, and I don't
Speaker 1: care who does it. I see turnovers from when he's
Speaker 1: out there. Thank you, Kyle got just get it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's some magic like um combination
Speaker 1: when they get out there, or if it's it's It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like pure luck anymore though. Maybe he's Maybe
Speaker 1: he's unassuming out there, Maybe he sneaks around. Well, he's
Speaker 1: got a fourth of the interceptions. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: he's got one. And in the Christmas card subscriptions in
Speaker 1: the mail for you, PFF, they had him rated very
Speaker 1: high this pass game. Oh very good. Yeah, yeah, imagine
Speaker 1: that he's doing something right. He's doing something right right,
Speaker 1: he's earned more playing time. His coverage was much better
Speaker 1: in this game than it had been previously. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Let's wrap it up next on Talking Cowboys
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Speaker 1: hear those things. You know, well lens listens. But I
Speaker 1: mean it is a day, it is a daily state,
Speaker 1: boll And, you did pretty good. You've done good this week.
Speaker 1: I think it's Brian's not staring you down this week
Speaker 1: yet and making you nervous. And he flew right nervous.
Speaker 1: You're doing great. What are you looking up? I was
Speaker 1: just looking at Jordan's stats from the game. Had six tackles.
Speaker 1: Usually when a cornerback has a lot of tackles, that
Speaker 1: means somebody catching the ball in front of him. See
Speaker 1: he has this list In the break, I told Mickey,
Speaker 1: I need to know the truth. What is it? The truth?
Speaker 1: No passes defense? What's the because he's not in very much? No,
Speaker 1: he started every nickel. I mean he's Byron Jones have
Speaker 1: because teams, teams don't pick on Byron Jones, right, So
Speaker 1: the lack of PPUs that means he's not making plays.
Speaker 1: He is making plays. Got four. Get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of this, nick fella. I need to know your feelings.
Speaker 1: Sort through them tonight. He's got four. There's something there.
Speaker 1: He's got a list. He has a list of Anthony
Speaker 1: Bys got four, Noah Brown, Jordan Lewis, Jeremy Minsy. When
Speaker 1: he was here, then just guys. Jordan Lewis doesn't fit
Speaker 1: in with the other two. Okay, good, he shouldn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's hanging out on the middle list. He's much
Speaker 1: better than those, Okay, mints. The only reason everybody liked
Speaker 1: Mintsy was because he was in the locker room every
Speaker 1: day and get interviews. I do love interviews, right, He
Speaker 1: let the team in sacks one year six, Well that's
Speaker 1: if de Marcus Lards finishes with six this year, you're
Speaker 1: gonna say he stole money. Do you want to open
Speaker 1: that cannon works right now? It's eleven forty talking about
Speaker 1: two different planets. Yeah, let's let's not solar system cowboys.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear that he led the
Speaker 1: team in sacks. What's on? What's on the scope? Lens
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about Cheeto and Stefan Diggs. Don't
Speaker 1: we think the Cowboys back end is going to look
Speaker 1: like against Kirk Cousins and his guys. The Cowboys will
Speaker 1: play their sides, So it depends on what to Minnesota
Speaker 1: where they want to line those guys up right, which
Speaker 1: side Dig's going to be on? Uh? And I would
Speaker 1: imagine they'll play a lot of man, but they'll mix
Speaker 1: in some zone on this too. Try to confuse Cousins
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, and they and they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't really use their corners to follow guys either. They've
Speaker 1: kind of stuck to the sides. And that's that's a
Speaker 1: confidence indicator of Cheeto two as well. I think Cowboys do.
Speaker 1: And it would be a little bit more a little
Speaker 1: less difficult. If theeln is not ready to go, it
Speaker 1: doesn't go to play. He doesn't sound good. He played
Speaker 1: a few snaps last week, missed the game before, and
Speaker 1: he just may need some time. I believe they have
Speaker 1: a buy after the Cowboys game. The Viking is probably
Speaker 1: about time for it. Yeah, maybe that's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do. And then you got to deal with point
Speaker 1: Treadwell right and former first round pick if I remember so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get that much easier. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think that's the way they play it. And uh
Speaker 1: and depending on how they're running the ball, you know
Speaker 1: you may play less man because when you get in
Speaker 1: man and teams start running on you, you can get
Speaker 1: yourself in trouble. All right, let's go back to the
Speaker 1: phone lines. Jim in Pasadena, you're up next on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What's up Jim? Hey guys, how are you thinking? My call?
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis tracks the ball so well, he has great
Speaker 1: ball skills. But I went back and looked at Michigan
Speaker 1: Take wondering and the same thing you're wondering, why isn't
Speaker 1: this kid playing? And he doesn't play the deep route. Well,
Speaker 1: the receivers just separate from him. They kind of bully
Speaker 1: him and he doesn't get out of his hips too well,
Speaker 1: and especially when he's covering them the slot. So when
Speaker 1: teams figure that out, I think we might find out
Speaker 1: why he's not in there all the time. I got
Speaker 1: a question for you guys, fun question, third and long,
Speaker 1: and you want your NASCAR defensive line. What four kids
Speaker 1: are you putting in there? For me? It's Florence in
Speaker 1: Collins and Bennett and I'll let you go. Thanks for
Speaker 1: taking my Paul. Thanks Jim. Good. Good thing he agrees
Speaker 1: with the coaches because we saw it right? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Lewis? Are you talking about the
Speaker 1: defensive line? Yoh? Yeah, I don't know what you're referring to, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you come around in the last five minute? Was the
Speaker 1: defensive line? Ok? Yeah? Do you agree with this the
Speaker 1: hips assessment on George? I don't know about the hips.
Speaker 1: I do know about deep crosses that he doesn't keep
Speaker 1: up with. Yeah, okay, But when they back to Bennett
Speaker 1: and what do you say? The NASCAR defensive line? That
Speaker 1: was my sound effect. Very good. I love it. That's
Speaker 1: probably what they had in mind when they made the deal. Yes,
Speaker 1: get another speed rusher on the field. I thought I
Speaker 1: saw that. What in the game, don't they did? I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw Bennett go from I think he played a
Speaker 1: lot of just a fun game. Now, now we get
Speaker 1: to pick and choose and plug in who we like
Speaker 1: at that time. I'm I'm with Jim, Yeah, Jim Passata yea.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's the defensive front you're gonna see,
Speaker 1: especially in Nickel's situations and You'll see Bennett play a
Speaker 1: little bit left defensive end and on standard downs to
Speaker 1: give Lawrence a break. And then they'll move inside and
Speaker 1: Lawrence will come in and he'll eat on the outside.
Speaker 1: Everybody eats. Watch out, no loafing. Got one minute to
Speaker 1: go anything, one minutes if oh for golf, the show's
Speaker 1: forty five minutes now. I was just digging into Perisco.
Speaker 1: Elman's gonna be over. Since I'm not on tomorrow, I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your predictions. Can we do that? No,
Speaker 1: you'll have to listen. Give us your your prediction. I'm
Speaker 1: going Cowboys, Cowboys one. It's gonna be ugly. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a seventeen fifteen to repeat, It's gonna be us.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be Besteaks, there's gonna be Primetime, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be black cats everywhere. It's gonna get wild. You gotta
Speaker 1: pick the click. Besides twenty seven, Nicky, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I can look at you right now. How
Speaker 1: about how about I think the Cowboys get creative on offense,
Speaker 1: Like we go back to those early Kellen More days
Speaker 1: back at the beginning of the season a couple months ago,
Speaker 1: Skywars Yeah, they just need to slow down those defensive ends.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a test retiring take advantage of their
Speaker 1: ability to get up to field. I think the way
Speaker 1: those guys were moving though last week the bye week
Speaker 1: help they're healthier. Did we not have a periscope question,
Speaker 1: where's Randy Gregory for our NASCAR defensive line? No? That
Speaker 1: just that ship is sailed. Nice drop. Kyle's on it
Speaker 1: right now. Is that a ship or NASCAR? That's NASCAR,
Speaker 1: that's Nascar. You're saying the ship has sailed sad days. Honestly,
Speaker 1: not even gonna lie. I thought about putting him in
Speaker 1: my NASCAR group last at least for this year. We haven't.
Speaker 1: Don't change people ask us and we just don't have
Speaker 1: an update on it. Are you guys happy that I
Speaker 1: didn't bring up all the day talk for the show.
Speaker 1: Why what happened? Oh? You know, he just says he's
Speaker 1: going to start making some calls. He's ready to get
Speaker 1: back in the groove. And you know, Mari, he's heard
Speaker 1: and he just had a birthday. I saw depth. Did
Speaker 1: you talk to him? No, I saw all the tweets.
Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, it's doing well. It seems like he's
Speaker 1: doing well. Happy birthday. Was his birthday? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it? Thirty thirty, the same age, so he's
Speaker 1: probably thirty, almost thirty. He's getting there. He's getting there,
Speaker 1: all right. We're getting towards the end of the week. Linds.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for filling. Yes, thank you for doing
Speaker 1: Come on, this was so much fun. Anytime. We'd love
Speaker 1: to have you back, all right to your our top choice,
Speaker 1: coming back when someone's telling you I'm a great six
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