WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: The Battle Up Front 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:18.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.079 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:34.639 Star in friscoolatow here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:40.360 and Bill Jones. And welcome into Talking Cowboys inside s 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.720 WBC Mortgage Studio. That is Lindsay Draper across the table 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.519 for me from me. Welcome back. I don't know if 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.680 people are happy or mad right now, but I'm here. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:56.680 They're happy. A proud TC alum and a Day one 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:02.040 er Mickey Spagnola Back at Mickey, what's up, Mick? Just 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:03.920 trying to get this headsett Yeah, we got it. We've 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.640 got a little technical How are we doing, guys, how 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.200 are we doing? That's all right, I don't need it. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.600 You're doing fine. You're doing fine. Welcome in, Mack, Welcome 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.280 into Talking Cowboys. On a rainy Thursday, bad rainy Thursday. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.119 Here at the Start in Frisco. I ran past three 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.560 accidents this morning. Is that right? In a half hour 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.440 drive or any of them? Amari Cooper hurting his name, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.080 Oh no, but there was a lady on a stretcher, 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.440 getting ready to get it in the MS. Boy, yeah, boy, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.200 it's not what you want. No, people just slow down 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.480 if you're local. Thanks everybody on Periscope for the welcome. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.960 I'm so popped. It's been a minute since you've been 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.400 on the show. We love having you as always a minute. Yeah, 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.600 probably a year. It's been a long time. I'm a backup, 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.440 you know. I'm like a strong bench player. Anybody needs me, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.160 I will step up. Darry and Thompson filling in really 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.520 good last week against the Giants. Just like that. She's 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.320 known as microwave. Vinnie Johnson. Yeah, Pistons back in the day, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:07.400 immediate offense, right, Bill Jones doing his TV thing today. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.000 Brian brought us not here today. By the way, I 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.880 peeked in on the TV they're taping right now. Every 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:19.360 one of them has a dark black code on and 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.760 I looked in there. It's like a bunch of undertakers 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.520 in there. Is that like the uniform for the show. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.680 I don't know, but they all wore the same thing 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.760 Vikings on Sunday Night. That's what they're getting at. I 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.679 got a prediction already. We can get to that we'll 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.400 get to that. We can get to that as well. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.880 We might get to a little game that Lindsey came 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.360 up with a week ago that I'm all about games. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.760 Mickey tells me every day he wishes we played more 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.880 games on the air. Does bar games? We got a 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:52.480 bar game today? Where's the beer? I would love that, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.160 But that's that's reserved for the happy hour on Wednesday nights. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.080 Go check that out last night. And we had a 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.680 good happy It was great, right. Everson Walls is wonderful. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.840 I told him he needs to do more stuff. He 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.919 is so interesting and so funny and uh and he's 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.359 and he's very perceptive about what's going on with the team. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.040 And he's not afraid to say it. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:16.920 mean you know when you get to that point in 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.359 your former career or whatever. It's not a career now, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:26.919 but yeah, he's he's unfiltered. I love it. We're thinking 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.800 about mixing him in the pregame live mix. Yeah, absolutely 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.800 open that he's good. What What was his thoughts on 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.080 the team? Oh, he he likes it. He thinks they're 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.320 awfully good. Yeah, they just need to play like it 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.480 from the jump, from yes first quarter, just the whole game. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.400 You know that the three games they lost, they probably 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.480 feels like they shouldn't have lost. Um and I it 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.080 was funny. I gave Cory a homework signment. Somebody goes, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.600 he's not your intern anymore. I got Corey Majors from 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.960 the fan. He was on last night too, Yeah, along 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:06.920 with Nick and I and Shannon nice Um. But when 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.680 when Wall said he finished, I mean we knew what 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.839 he finished with his career with fifty seven interceptions, I said, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.120 how many years do the leath You think we have 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.520 to go back and add up team interceptions to get 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:28.520 to fifty seven, and my guess is at least ten years. Yeah, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.520 I mean how many of they had in the last 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.760 five six seven? You know five a year? Man, there 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.240 was one year Jeff Heath led him with two. Yeah. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.880 I think it was NFC Defensive Player of the Week. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.520 Xavier Woods leads the team right now with two. Yeah, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.200 and he got him in the last two games. And 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.559 I looked it up. Um, I think it's the first 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.160 time since December of last year they've had multiple takeaways 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.320 in consecutive games. And they always say it comes in bunches, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.640 So maybe maybe that's the turning point. I mean, Jason 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.320 Garrett said the other day, this is the thing that 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.920 getting to elite level, this is the next step. Lens. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.000 What if they had like eight now in two games 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.400 the Eagle seven, They've got twelve of the season, and 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.200 all of a sudden, now the middle of the seven rise. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.200 I must have miscounted and going back and watching when 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:20.120 the Cowboys had that interception early on in the season. Cheeto, cheeto, Yeah, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.919 right right on the sideline. Yeah, that is when I 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.760 made up in my mind that that's what this team 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.840 is missing, period, because when you get an interception, not 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.719 not only it's force fum will take away anything, but 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.920 when you get an interception. I watched the sideline and 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.359 they literally came on glued, and not only you're giving 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.520 your offense an extra chance, but the momentum that this 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.000 team never has. That momentum. It's not like, you know what, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.760 that was a bad possessional offense. These guys are going 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.280 to come out and take the ball away and we're 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.240 gonna get it back down. That that's just you don't 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.280 think that way with this team because it doesn't happen frequently. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.240 That's when I realized that's the missing piece. You need 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.720 those takeaways, you need that juice and this defense when 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.840 they do it, I mean, it's unreal, it's unstoppable. So 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.800 I see other teams do it, Like when Pat Mahomes 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.760 was out, the Chiefs defense came up big, gotta takeaway 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.919 they want. You know, it's just like, wow, that is 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.159 it's so much bigger than you think it is. I 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.680 think that Philly game was this team's max but maybe 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.200 not even max potential, but exactly what they can be. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.560 You win by twenty seven, you start several drives deep 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.760 into the other team's territory and all of a sudden. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.120 Now we talk about slow starts and all that, if 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.720 you're not having to go seventy five yards every time, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.760 your offense can be that much more efficient for sure. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.920 All right, let's let's get to some news of the day. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.920 The Cowboy's practicing indoors because it is rainy outside here 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.400 at the start, Mick, we got some injury updates. We 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.440 do one on a Maury Cooper. Mary Cooper had a 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:51.640 MRI on his knee yesterday, so I'm assuming that meant 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.719 he was very limited in practice, which was a limited 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.640 practice anyway. They had him this morning visiting with the doctor, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.280 so they were waiting to get the final results on 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:07.279 the MRI. I would imagine he probably doesn't practice today. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.200 If he does, it's going to be very limited. I 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.000 was told though that he should be able to They 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.120 should be able to have him ready for the game 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.920 on Sunday. So they're very hopeful. They're camp Fleming's out again. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.440 He may be out another week even after this. So 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.560 with that calf injury and Jeff Heath ended up with 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.960 those twelve stitches in his knee that's limitating how much 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.240 he can run. They're trying to do whatever they can 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.680 to get him to the game on Sunday. So a 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.960 little bit of a concern there and Layton vander esh 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.960 My understanding is should be good to go for the 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.200 game on Sunday. It sounds good. That's progress. Jeff Heath 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.600 with the stitches, it was twelve, right, twelve stitches, and 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.880 he's got a little shoulder problem going on also, but 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.240 it's more they feel like they can control that in 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.320 kind of get him through games. Um, but uh, yeah, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.040 the stitches will probably limit how much he's able to 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.320 do running around when there's contact out there. By the way, 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.240 eight five five to two ninety seven is the number 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.560 if you want to join us. Also, Lenz is going 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.960 through pair scope, So lam booty woo. If you're out there, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.240 are you scoping up? Are you scoping over there today? 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.760 Bringing us potato chips? Look at that? Well, Fred's next door, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:32.920 so Savage get him for Freddy um and here comes lunch. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.600 So the Amari. You know, he's had multiple things he's 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.880 been dealing with since training camp. Does that concern you 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.440 guys at all that over the course of the season, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.719 it's been the foot, it's been the ankle. Now the 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.120 knee bruise that that bothered him during the Giants game, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.200 you guys concern with it? I know Mickey felt like 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.160 he's there's they're optimistic he can play. Yeah. One thing 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.959 I do like is how honest he is with us 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.880 in the locker room about it. It's like, no, you 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.160 know it's sixty percent and the next week actually know 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.520 that the heel is done. It's just my ankle. Nolley 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.480 like he will come out and tell us, or he'll 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.160 do like he did in the Jets game and run 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.560 his route and then just step out of bounds and 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.920 be like I'm out I'm not going to play don punches. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.640 You're right, Yeah, I think the encouraging thing is is 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.320 that he came out of the game for I don't know, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.080 was it a series, maybe two series, and then he 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.640 came back and played. Yeah, right, right right. If you 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.920 can do that, then you're not totally debilitated. Do you 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.319 think maybe something flared up and that's why. And I 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.880 don't know if it's a bruise, and if they're mr 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.080 eying it, it's got to be more than a bruise, right, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.800 Maybe he has a loose piece of cartilage in there, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:42.720 or meniscus or something that they're swelling that's floating around. Yeah, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.120 so they got to be careful on that. But yeah, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.000 it sounded like, you know, they felt hopeful that he'd 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.480 be there to you know, get in the game. You know, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.160 I need to double check this before I said that. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.000 When Lindsay was talking about the importance of those takeaways, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.360 remember we had talked about it last week that they 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.480 had in those first six games, they had never started 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.959 a possession on the impotent side of the fifty yard line, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.400 and then against Philadelphia they ended up with four possessions 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.440 on their side of the fifty in this pass game. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.679 Three more against the Giants. So after you go six 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.960 games with none, you go two games with seven. It's 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.320 rather remarkable. With turnover takeaways, we'll do for you, no question, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:26.920 especially if you can get one in the end zone, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.839 like Jordan Lewis did at the end. That helps. And 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.640 you know he's his snap count continues to rise, and 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.679 I think that's making a lot of fans happy, even 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.080 though Anthony Brown brings him something on defense as well. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.360 So well, they just limited. I mean that that was 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.920 Anthony Brown's first game back right after the hamstring injury. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.120 He missed what two games and got knocked out of 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.520 one another, so they just used him when in dying, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.600 and they didn't play that much dying, but when they did, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.960 he was the other cornerback on the field in the slot, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.360 while Lewis ended up starting the game. So we'll see 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.920 where it goes from here. How's the Vikings injury front looking. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.760 I think Adam Adam feeling looks to be the biggest question. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.840 Say've got a hamstring and he did not practice yesterday, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.240 and they did practice yesterday, by the way, so they 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.480 had a couple of guys limited, but no one of 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:24.680 major significance. I don't think they had a odin Jibo. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.120 I can't say it a fitty their defense backup defensive end. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.520 He didn't. Can you say it one more time? Right again? 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.800 Oh fitty fitty? How about that? Try the last name 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:45.280 odd Nick? Both This needs to be a dry He 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:49.160 did not practice with a shoulder injury. That's right. So yeah, okay, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.120 both teams relatively healthy, although we've got to keep an 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.680 eye on Amari and Vanderesh. That's a good sign. Although 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.720 you know Sean Lee has played more and more the 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.120 last couple of weeks because of lv's injury. How do 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:07.400 you see that? You guys, who's injury? Lv? E? Call 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.960 you call him Layton? Catch that yesterday? That's pretty good. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.880 That's pretty good. Jason was like, I call him Layton l. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.000 He's gonna They're gonna the Vikings like going two tight ends. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.719 They play a lot of standard offense. So um, I 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.480 think there's room for all three of those guys to play. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.559 And then we'll see what happens when they go nickel. Uh, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.120 if they go to the Sean Lee along with vander 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.800 Esh in the nickel, or if they limit vander Esh 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.560 from the Nickel, uh, since it'll be his first game back, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.680 so it'll be interesting to see how they manage the snaps. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.600 But I just think you'll see more of Sean Lee 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.880 out there because of what the Vikings do, like to 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.920 run the ball behind two tight ends. But then again, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.520 maybe he gives vander esh a little bit of a 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.000 blow so he didn't have to go out there and 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.840 play seventy plays or however many of they play. And 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.760 in the Nickel, maybe he goes in and Jalen Smith 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.840 gets a break there because before they were giving him 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.560 a break and he was a stand up guy on 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.400 the defensive line. And now with Michael Bennett, I don't 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.360 think they have to do that. I think it's better 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.920 to have Michael Bennett out there. And our Nick Eatman 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.800 yesterday asked during the press conference to Jason, is it 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.800 hard when you have a guy like Shan Lee, who 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.360 now you know, he played so great, played so much 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.319 and you have to pull him back And Jason didn't 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.080 hold anything back. He said, absolutely, it's hard. And I 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.800 don't know, I kind of I'm the momentum trained person, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.520 like I'm like, Okay, Layton, why don't you just maybe 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.760 rest more a little bit and we'll see what Shaun 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.319 Lee continues to do. I mean that was I did 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.600 the pre and postgame show with Barry Church, who played 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.520 alongside Shawn Lee, and he was just like, Wow, this 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.040 is the Shawn Lee of my day back in the day. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.040 And Brian has really been harping on Sean's like to 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.400 your point, he's one of these momentum guys, like he 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.760 needs to get in the flow of a game, flow 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.520 of a defense, see what defense or offenses you're trying 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.679 to do, and he gets better and better. I mean 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.600 sometimes you know, you see that with running back sometimes 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.760 they got to get into a flow. I just I 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.280 think there's a way to get him all three on 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.839 the field, and because van Vikings will get him all 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.200 three of the field. Yeah, and vander esche start. You know, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.840 he's the future of this thing. And I think he's 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.480 played well. It's just he hasn't necessarily made those big 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.560 time plays behind the line of scrimmage that really got 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.440 people howling and doing all that last year a lot 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.640 of howling. Not not as much howling, but he's yeah, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.000 make sure, but he's been productive. Um, well, isn't he 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.720 like leading the team or did ja Jalen took over 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.560 because he's just those games. Yeah, he had sixty six tackles. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.760 He was leading the team until he missed the games. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.720 I don't think there's any doubt this is probably the 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.160 deepest position on the team, and then you got to 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.720 see it. Yeah last week. Absolutely, and we didn't even 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.640 I don't think we've touched on Joe Thomas, who played 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.240 a little bit in the game as well and is 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.120 filled in for Sean. But just remember that Sean was 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.040 back at his old position. Oh yeah, and the weak 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.440 side linebacker spot is supposed to do what he did. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.120 You're supposed to be the active guy. You're uncovered and 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.600 you run to the ball. It's very hard to stand 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.000 out as a I mean, name me the best strong 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.160 side linebacker. Strong Side linebackers are just kind of there, right, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.360 and they don't play that much because they come out 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:20.440 on nickel. So especially the way offenses are now, yeah, yeah, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.040 I mean everybody's playing three y. Yeah. I mean that 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.320 position was made for Sean Lee, right, like, yeah, the 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.440 most brilliant guy. He lives in this building. Film is 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.880 his thing. I mean that he knows what guys are 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.640 going to do before they do. It before the snap. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.920 I mean, he is made for that position period, and 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.960 that's why they moved him over there to begin with, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.280 was to cover him up a little bit more and 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.760 allow him to flow to the ball and make plays. Yeah, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.560 Vanderesh does the same thing, and could he could play 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.800 all three positions two if something happens to Jalen, he 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.720 can go in the middle if they want. You know, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.760 it's uh, he's just so valuable even if he's what 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.840 thirty thirty three years old something like that. He's kind 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.440 of like Witten on the other side of the ball, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.120 you know. He said after the game, I feel like 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.520 I'm playing in high school again, just having fun out there. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.040 When people are saying that you turned back the clock. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.080 Something's working and I think, you know, Witten had a 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.120 year off, so we've seen that a little bit more 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.960 run after catch from him. But Sean Lee is I mean, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.240 that's all anyone's saying. It's like, you look vinted Shaun Lee. Yeah, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.160 I think something's clicking. Big time performance from him. Anything 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.160 popping on periscope, Lots of questions about the offensive line, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.400 lots of shouts out to our man Brian broad Us 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.000 offensive line Mickey once you've gone back and watched the game. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.920 Was it just because the Giants are not good? I 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.120 mean I think the Cowboys have played not good teams 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.120 already this season and they haven't played as good as 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.560 they did on Yeah. I don't think the Giants defensive 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.680 front is all that great, but they did what they 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.600 should have done. You know, they dominated him. I mean 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.600 they had huge holes you could have driven a truck through. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.640 And even Zeke admitted it. You know that those guys 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.480 were mauling them up from Yeah, he didn't want hy 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.200 credit makes it makes my job easy. So yeah, I 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.360 thought they played awfully well. And think about it, they're 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.800 probably a little healthier too, especially the tackles because they 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.840 came back and played that Philadelphia game. They played through 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.720 something when they were should have said I shouldn't say 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.280 through it. Yeah, and that and that speaks to those 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.880 guys their character that they wanted to be out there. Now, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.240 this will be a much bigger test going up against 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.640 this Vikings front. When you have Daniel Hunter with eight 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.000 and a half sacks and Everson Griffin the other defensive 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.280 end with five and a half. Those two guys have 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.320 fourteen sacks. Now I'm a little skeptical on this number 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:52.240 of quarterbacks are thirty five and thirty four? Well what 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.640 are the Cowboys? Well, I don't know, but that's sixty 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.560 nine quarterback hits in nine games by two guys. This 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.240 is probably the best ten him of edge rushers they'll 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.359 face so far this season, without question. And Hunter got 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.239 two sacks against the Cowboys in twenty sixteen when that 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:13.119 was a rock fight between those two teams. Seventeen so ugly, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.119 and I got reminded and I was thinking, this was 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.320 the second time that Mike Zimmer was going to be 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.240 a head coach against the Cowboys. But he didn't coach 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.320 in that game. If you remember, he had the eye 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.280 surgery and he had to stay home. That's right, revenge season, Yeah, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.159 Sunday night, and so he wasn't able to be on 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.480 the field that game, which I'm sure just absolutely killed him, 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.480 knowing him and how competitive he is. After I saw 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.520 who Hugh Freeze in a hospital bed up in the 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:48.800 press box coaching, I realized how much these coaches want 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.159 to be at you. You know that that was right. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.000 I know that first sand right, No, at firsthand. But 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.879 there are just some funny things that you see that 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.119 you're coaches will do oh okay, like you're in a 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.320 hospital bed in the in the upstairs, in the booth, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.720 got it with the window of view, yep, playing on 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.320 the bed car that was. Did they least kind of 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.920 prop them up a little? Yes, there's there's a clip 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.240 of a coach walking through the fifty yard line and 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.480 he looks up and goes like this and raises his 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:19.960 hand in the air and they pan up to the 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.280 booth and Hugh Freeze, I think it's Freeze, am I right, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.960 he's got his bist rays from a hospital. Bad that Sorry, 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.280 I got up top big. Be your best, regardless of circumstance. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.679 That's what they always say. So yeah, and zim I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.320 wrote about it yesterday. Vikings defense for the last five 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.640 years or five five of the last six years, they've 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.440 been top ten defense, and they've had a lot of 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.160 stability on defense. You mentioned some of the guys, Mick. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.520 Their linebackers are solid. They may have the best safety 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.960 tannem in the league. Um, you can't get off to 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.919 a slow start against this defense, I don't think. Oh, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.600 and you better not turn the ball over either, because 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.880 play of the game. Yeah, you know, while their their 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.600 offense has kind of sputtered at times. You know, the 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.080 games they they've lost. The only game they scored some 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.600 points when they've lost is this past week against Kansas City, 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.760 but they did score twenty three, got beat twenty six 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.080 twenty three. But the other games were sixteen six and 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.720 twenty one sixteen. So again, if you can, you know, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.360 manage to score some points, uh, you certainly help out 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.320 your defense against a team that has some weapons on 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.560 offense with Delvin Cook, and you know, Kirk Cousins can 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.960 can do a number on you. Except the Cowboys have 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.119 had his number during his career with the Redskins. So 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.480 is it Kirk Cousin or was it who he was 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.520 playing with? But they did go six and one against 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.880 him when he was with the Redskins. All right, let's 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.360 sicker first break on Talking Cowboys eight five five two 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.120 two ninety seven is the number hit up periscope. Lens 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.840 is monitoring that one. We'll get back to your next 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.040 on Talking Cowboys. 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