Speaker 1: What's up everyone. I'm Devin Simone and I'm.
Speaker 2: Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: We are back.
Speaker 4: What great episode?
Speaker 1: Such? How do you feel about this episode? How did
Speaker 1: you guys feel and watching it day? How did you
Speaker 1: feel and watching it?
Speaker 4: This was a rollercoaster of emotions, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So many people want to experience this show, and then
Speaker 2: for this to be such an iconic season of them
Speaker 2: bringing legends back, for Tony to play the way that
Speaker 2: he did, I was so disappointed because Tony is somebody
Speaker 2: who is held in that category of legends. He's held
Speaker 2: with such you know what I'm saying with people, it's
Speaker 2: Tony time, like we in. I think he thought this
Speaker 2: baby the clock was broke, right, he thought the time
Speaker 2: ridiculousness because he was being ridiculous. Boy, go take your
Speaker 2: behind home. I can't recall the last time I've been
Speaker 2: this mad watching Challenge. This will go down in history
Speaker 2: as one of the dum missed things we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And if it was because he didn't want to be here,
Speaker 1: then he's even dumber because he should have just left
Speaker 1: his behind at home. Just throw it, throw it all away.
Speaker 1: Just throw it all away, Like, I mean, I'm happy
Speaker 1: with the outcome, but I think that raised frustrated.
Speaker 2: That raises the question, though, if you hypothetically right, let's
Speaker 2: let's just say Tony did want to come home, right,
Speaker 2: because that's the that's the general consensus.
Speaker 4: He wanted to go home.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, do you think in the elimination
Speaker 2: last week against Leroy, do you think that that was.
Speaker 4: Pure ego so he can say he beat Leroy.
Speaker 1: I think so much of what he does is ego,
Speaker 1: because I think even this, if you really want to
Speaker 1: go home, then just bow out and go home. TJ
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have had an eliminate, you know what. It
Speaker 1: would have taken out the men's elimination, Like if that's
Speaker 1: really the case and you just want to go home,
Speaker 1: don't take it from someone else. I think it was
Speaker 1: so selfish, show egotistical, and he looked like a plum fool.
Speaker 1: You already know who's not gonna be surprised he gets
Speaker 1: my time out of the week. He looked like a
Speaker 1: plump fool at the end, like just dumb in every
Speaker 1: sense of the word stupid and dumb. And I'm actually
Speaker 1: surprised that TJ let him off the hook that easy.
Speaker 1: I hope that TJ lit his behind up when they can.
Speaker 1: We didn't just didn't see it because we know TJ
Speaker 1: doesn't like quitters. And while he quote unquote didn't quit,
Speaker 1: I mean everything he wasn't certainly wasn't trying. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a waste of the fans time. It's waste of you
Speaker 1: all time, it's waste of our time. Like just.
Speaker 4: But aside of him, Okay, let's let's just let him go.
Speaker 2: I appreciate toy this particular episode, the first half, not
Speaker 2: saying first half, in the first half when.
Speaker 4: It came down to this challenge that they had to do.
Speaker 2: Because my girl was on it with the memorization of
Speaker 2: the order of the shows and so smart.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was shut down.
Speaker 3: That drink.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let's show her breath was funky. All
Speaker 1: of them work. Yes, if you guys have never smelled
Speaker 1: the durant, like seriously.
Speaker 4: Awful, it's awful.
Speaker 1: It's bad, It's really bad. And she was drinking that
Speaker 1: like she got it from smoothie hanging or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but like, yeah, that was absolutely awful. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about aerw one in there. They broke the paddle.
Speaker 1: They ran aground several times, wasn't Joey at one point
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna just get out and push.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to push the Jody was over it.
Speaker 2: She like, man, look, ain't nobody got time for this.
Speaker 1: Somebody paddle broke.
Speaker 4: She like, look, let's just figure this out. Oh eraw
Speaker 4: one was stressed.
Speaker 1: They are so entertaining, like I love them, And it's
Speaker 1: always a different reason every week. This week it's not
Speaker 1: because I feel they're strong. It's because of how goofy
Speaker 1: they were. It was comedy, pure COMEDT was losing it.
Speaker 4: Oh he was.
Speaker 1: I also love these little CT tips that are happening
Speaker 1: see t pro tips that are happening throughout the episode.
Speaker 1: I also think those are really cute. So if you
Speaker 1: don't remember Era three one, woo, that would be the
Speaker 1: era I would be on. Yes, Era three Tony crushed
Speaker 1: the eat. I mean Tony did his part when it
Speaker 1: came to the eating. He showed up and showed out
Speaker 1: like mad respect there. And then of course Era one
Speaker 1: just got disoriented or lost or I don't know. Memory
Speaker 1: issues kicked as they didn't know how to row a
Speaker 1: pat I don't know, but they came in last uh.
Speaker 1: And so then ultimately we found out that the ones
Speaker 1: that were team captains, which we sort of suspected, but
Speaker 1: the ones that were team captains for each team now
Speaker 1: are up for elimination, with the exception of the team
Speaker 1: captains from the winning team who get to pick who
Speaker 1: they want to go against the losing team. So a
Speaker 1: little bit of a twist there. So then we see
Speaker 1: them deliberating. Right, here's where the trouble comes in on
Speaker 1: this particular episode. So we have Avery and Tony are
Speaker 1: the winners from Air three or ultimately they were the captains, right,
Speaker 1: so they're the ones who get to choose. The losers
Speaker 1: are Durell and Jody because they're still trying to find
Speaker 1: their way to shore. And then we have potential of
Speaker 1: Casey and Kyland going in from Air Force or Derek
Speaker 1: and Aviv going in from Air two. A couple things
Speaker 1: that stand out. One Darrell who we saw in earlier episodes, right,
Speaker 1: he has won a season of the Challenge with Aviv Okay,
Speaker 1: they've known each other for what eighteen years? When asked
Speaker 1: by Avery and Tony who he would want to go
Speaker 1: against an elimination, He has other options, he has another
Speaker 1: team that he can pick. Instead, he picks a Eve
Speaker 1: and Derek, which just seems so just wrong.
Speaker 2: But here's how I thought about it, right. You know
Speaker 2: how I always say people always make the city. Well,
Speaker 2: it's a non fact, and let me not say I
Speaker 2: always say it's a known fact that people when they're
Speaker 2: making any decisions, they're making no decisions, not for the
Speaker 2: moment but for future seasons, right, And so maybe in
Speaker 2: his mind he was like, well, Derek and Aviv are here,
Speaker 2: but when the last time they be here?
Speaker 4: And when might be the next time they come back?
Speaker 2: But there are certain staples that have been here, and
Speaker 2: we know that they're going to continue to come back.
Speaker 2: So maybe this decision was let me cover you because
Speaker 2: I know Casey and Kylin and whoever whoever they coming back.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be right, but I don't feel
Speaker 1: like in that moment was that deep. I think if
Speaker 1: we're looking at the too strong of the two, who
Speaker 1: would you want to go against? Say there were no
Speaker 1: more seasons? Right, God forbid, we're not saying that with that,
Speaker 1: so nor who would you? Who do you think you
Speaker 1: have a better shot? Potentially when you don't know what
Speaker 1: the eima.
Speaker 4: You ready beat him, So I get it right.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go against Kyland or Casey. I'm
Speaker 1: a pick Terrek and Aviev too. Dang, So your friends
Speaker 1: just out Uh well, no, I first of all, I'm
Speaker 1: friends with all of them. Yes, I've known Derek longer
Speaker 1: because his Real World season was right after my Real
Speaker 1: World season. Shout out to Brooklyn and ken Kun and
Speaker 1: I love Derek. But if I'm gonna be honest, i'd
Speaker 1: probably can if we hadn't talked about it beforehand, like
Speaker 1: if we had made some alliance beforehand, then yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: probably rather go I wouldn't call it out at the
Speaker 1: table like that, but I'd probably rather go against They're
Speaker 1: gonna be only because I think, like Casey and Kyline
Speaker 1: both have the strength, the endurance and the mental power,
Speaker 1: Like they're both incredibly smart, and I like that we're
Speaker 1: getting to see a little more of Casey's personality these seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it just was crazy that Darrell was so open
Speaker 1: with it. But nothing was as crazy as Tony's choice
Speaker 1: is this episode. Initially, it makes sense because I get
Speaker 1: it he thinks Kyline and Casey if they going against
Speaker 1: derelling Jody, They're gonna come back. I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with him, no shade to those two and he's thinking
Speaker 1: they're gonna save him. But at a certain point you
Speaker 1: gotta let it go. But I respect Avery so much
Speaker 1: for standing on her word, particularly when she felt she
Speaker 1: was protecting a longtime friend. Because now with one of
Speaker 1: the things I love about the challenge, these aren't just friendships.
Speaker 1: Some of them are where it's like for a year
Speaker 1: or two, but some of these are over a decade,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, some of these really are.
Speaker 1: We've known X, Y and Z for twelve years, fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot there. And to your point,
Speaker 1: when you're thinking of future seasons or you're just thinking
Speaker 1: of real life in general, you know there needs to
Speaker 1: be a little flexibility. They're speaking of real life in
Speaker 1: general real quick. Because I know you're close to Josh
Speaker 1: his meltdown against Tory over the Naya thing. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have several thoughts. I have thoughts of
Speaker 2: was his feelings hurt? Sure, but was he really hurt?
Speaker 2: I think he was more hurt by Tory, and I
Speaker 2: think he was more. First of all, he is sensitive
Speaker 2: to people making fun of him. So, first of all,
Speaker 2: he was already the butt of the joke. Right, That's
Speaker 2: that's one layer. So his feelings then got hurt because
Speaker 2: he knows the naya is with Kyland. He's hearing that,
Speaker 2: right layer number two, he's the butt of the house joke. Right,
Speaker 2: layer three, one of his best friends is in the
Speaker 2: middle of the laughing of him being the butt of
Speaker 2: the joke.
Speaker 4: And it's not standing up for him. She's not you
Speaker 4: know what, I'm saying, none of the things. And we
Speaker 4: see it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and he's gonna have to see that episode, and
Speaker 2: so for him to hear it and come down and
Speaker 2: say something to her, I think his feelings were genuinely
Speaker 2: hurt on so many levels.
Speaker 1: He takes his.
Speaker 4: Friendships so serious. He takes them.
Speaker 2: It means a lot to him because the making fun
Speaker 2: of your friend or laughing at your friend's.
Speaker 1: Pain, but pain is feels dramatic because I I feel
Speaker 1: like she didn't realizing she said it in the interview
Speaker 1: and to him, I didn't realize you it was like
Speaker 1: that deep on you and I tend to agree, and
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because also on top of that,
Speaker 2: we had a flashback to her.
Speaker 1: Voting him in.
Speaker 4: Now that was so that was another layer that what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So now you don't voting me in and you laughing
Speaker 2: about laughing at me behind my back in the midst
Speaker 2: of other people. I'm the butt of the joke, and
Speaker 2: you in the circle were like, which, what are we
Speaker 2: doing this?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, that now that I agreed because that was fed up.
Speaker 1: But I do think Josh is being overly sensitive for
Speaker 1: a girl you've known for an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: and like, look, I get it, and I put the
Speaker 1: spell on people because she's doesn't matter. I like a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Okay, before I was married, I liked
Speaker 1: Iadris Elbert. I didn't cry when he got married. All right, Josh,
Speaker 1: beside you, I like both. I like Josh and I
Speaker 1: like Tori. But Josh, I'm gonna need you to pull
Speaker 1: up your pants to get get on with it, all right, sir.
Speaker 1: Like it's not a relationship, and.
Speaker 2: Of course we don't know how it plays out because
Speaker 2: we haven't seen it, but the friendship that we know
Speaker 2: of them to have, I don't think this will probably
Speaker 2: go past that night.
Speaker 1: I don't think, right, I hope. So, yeah, they like
Speaker 1: to come back together. I completely agree. Speaking of coming together,
Speaker 1: let's come together and do this list of who gets
Speaker 1: our cold Star of the week and who gets our
Speaker 1: time out. Let's see if Day is gonna also treat
Speaker 1: this yet again like she's rationing in the depression era,
Speaker 1: or she's gonna properly just hand out a gold star
Speaker 1: and a time out.
Speaker 2: I'm going to break my ghostar and half. Here we go,
Speaker 2: only two, only two, though I used to like an
Speaker 2: Olympics judge, I want you to get right with your grading. Yes,
Speaker 2: my first one is of course avery, but standing on business,
Speaker 2: like I appreciate that. I know there's some people gonna
Speaker 2: be like, well, you put Derek in time out for
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 3: A No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I put him in time out because he out here
Speaker 2: like yeah, I'll go down to do this. But I
Speaker 2: put her for standing on business against Tony. That's why
Speaker 2: she get a star. I for spite, pure for spite.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna give it to her, But then
Speaker 4: I'm also gonna give my other half a mess to
Speaker 4: the return of the mac. And that's nice. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give it to Naya.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like, for seasons upon seasons upon seasons,
Speaker 2: we have watched men do the very same thing, this
Speaker 2: very same thing, and I feel like, you know what, girl,
Speaker 2: if you feel like you want to explore, explore, and
Speaker 2: she's being free, she living her best life, and I'm like, okay, girl,
Speaker 2: do yo thing. She is politicking and she is making
Speaker 2: sure she gets far in the game. And so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give it tonight. I'm gonna do I'm gonna half
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 4: How about you?
Speaker 1: All right? My gold Star nominations and then we'll go
Speaker 1: be a winner. It is not because the two rises
Speaker 1: to the It's a nomination and then you have to win,
Speaker 1: just like in any other awards. Centoni, Okay, So my
Speaker 1: nominations include Devin for leading his team. We really saw
Speaker 1: him take charge. Oh yeh the challenge, which was great,
Speaker 1: Like he came up and as a whole Era three
Speaker 1: did a great job of listening to each other and
Speaker 1: supporting each other. Beautifully done. Dev Tory for her memorization skills,
Speaker 1: Like you said that was out. She came in ready
Speaker 1: to also lead, which is and that's how Tory and
Speaker 1: Devin worked well together interestingly, like right like, so Devin
Speaker 1: was in the lead of one particular part, and then
Speaker 1: Tory was in the lead when it came to the
Speaker 1: memorization parts, like just great job all around. Couldn't be
Speaker 1: more proud. Naya for heartbreaking Yes girl, Hey, I'm safe,
Speaker 1: you know, but uh explore you're single. They're single, y'all
Speaker 1: make choices. Just be smart about it, you know, and
Speaker 1: be safe. But otherwise, hey, have fun, girl, And then
Speaker 1: Avery for obvious reasons. And the winner is let's open
Speaker 1: it the certified envelope. It is Avery, of course it
Speaker 1: is because is that girl. I love how she stood
Speaker 1: on business. I love how corramplate out. Now, who gets
Speaker 1: your time out of the week nominations?
Speaker 4: Tony definitely gets my time out for the week. But
Speaker 4: I'm also.
Speaker 1: By expect that how are you gonna snip that and have?
Speaker 1: Who else? Could it possibly even remotely come close? Darrell?
Speaker 2: And here's why, Okay, because one I didn't appreciate the
Speaker 2: whole Yeah, st me in against the v like I
Speaker 2: just yeah, that's a long time to know somebody.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you're saying you wouldn't do that, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that? To me if we were, because we've already
Speaker 1: discussed in the chat. Y'all don't know we have multiple groups,
Speaker 1: you know what. Goodbye, I'm hanging up on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Goodbye everyone, Thanks for listening. Bye, like yours together, everything.
Speaker 2: I have not let me, even though I have not
Speaker 2: known you for ten years, there is not You won't
Speaker 2: catch me saying, oh yeah, put me in against Devin
Speaker 2: for what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for what?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna walk off and go.
Speaker 4: Home if you're somebody but no.
Speaker 2: But if you're somebody that's supposed to be like my sense,
Speaker 2: like we like for real close like we are. If
Speaker 2: I don't win, I want to see you win. Say,
Speaker 2: why would I put us in a situation where you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you already?
Speaker 2: And then he turned around nominated an.
Speaker 1: I know that was so shady. Drel gives no evs.
Speaker 1: Drell gives no fs, Like, how are you nominating the
Speaker 1: people you just like had legit relationships with, not even known,
Speaker 1: but like have actual ties with for real the longest Drell.
Speaker 1: I wanted to text him so bad during the episode
Speaker 1: and just be like, what.
Speaker 3: Are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you even doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: For me, that's valid. That's valid. Darrell Derell would have
Speaker 1: be scratching my head it chills. I probably have been
Speaker 1: text him after this and be like bruh, but he does.
Speaker 1: No one comes close. I mean at this point, I'd
Speaker 1: say give the time out of that. We give the
Speaker 1: time out of the season to Tony for just being dumb.
Speaker 1: All the work that Flavor Flavor has done to make
Speaker 1: time great and she's great, Tony is undoing to make
Speaker 1: time terrible, like just so incredibly dumb. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: gets time out. You already knew that was coming. That
Speaker 1: one wasn't very sort of surprising. And shout out, by
Speaker 1: the way to Kiera, one of our loyal listeners. She
Speaker 1: sent over her era rankings on Twitter, so we love that.
Speaker 1: Send them to us, you guys, dm us instagrams. Tweet
Speaker 1: them actually is probably the best way for us to
Speaker 1: see them and day, Okay, what are your era rankings?
Speaker 1: Now he's getting gold.
Speaker 2: I gotta give the gold to Era three. They showed out,
Speaker 2: they showed out this episode. I'm gonna ahead and give
Speaker 2: the gold to them. I'm gonna give my silver to
Speaker 2: Era four. I'm gonna give my.
Speaker 4: Bronze to AER two. I'm gonna give my participation to
Speaker 4: Era one. I shouldn't now.
Speaker 2: If it was on comedy, they would have gotten to
Speaker 2: great immediately, but.
Speaker 4: You know they were a little stressed this episode.
Speaker 1: What about you, we're actually aligned for once on our aras.
Speaker 1: I can't agree with everything you said, and I agree
Speaker 1: with the comedy mentioned as well, because I also very
Speaker 1: much agree there. And regardless of if you agree or not,
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to keep listening because we have the
Speaker 1: dab herself on this particular episode we're talking about. Avery
Speaker 1: Trestler is here to tell us everything that went down.
Speaker 1: So make sure you grab a snack, get super duper comfy,
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for great interviews.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get back to the.
Speaker 1: Show we have. As Derek would say, a dab in
Speaker 1: the house to day and I would say iconic, legendary
Speaker 1: and I mean nothing but mad respect from end to end.
Speaker 1: Police give it up for Avery. Don't f with me
Speaker 1: Tony ever again.
Speaker 3: Traveler, Hi, Avery, thank you for having me. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited to be here and I appreciate the intro.
Speaker 1: We are excited to have you, so excited.
Speaker 4: Thank you for coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 3: Girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if ever somebody came back and made your marrow,
Speaker 2: because girl, you've been gone and then you came back.
Speaker 1: And what I know, I cannot though, how are you
Speaker 1: feeling watching this back? How do you feel?
Speaker 3: You know? What? It's like? Incredible? Is like I love
Speaker 3: doing these shows because I almost like relive it. Right,
Speaker 3: It's like it's been it's spent some time that I've separated.
Speaker 3: But man, when I watch it, I get like those
Speaker 3: feelings of like that like damn, like you really trying
Speaker 3: to fuck me over? You can really be doing that
Speaker 3: to me, like like damn. But I have to remind
Speaker 3: myself that, like at the end of the day, karma
Speaker 3: is the best, Like it definitely it was there the
Speaker 3: ded it happened, and I was justified and I love
Speaker 3: the universe for it. And that's something I have to
Speaker 3: always constantly remind myself, especially like living it back, like
Speaker 3: can't be mad chrometic.
Speaker 1: Justice, Well, it gave you and not that you needed
Speaker 1: an iconic moment, but it gave it. Definitely, Like to me,
Speaker 1: this is one of those moments that will go down
Speaker 1: and challenge history, similarly to when Jordan flipped all the
Speaker 1: cars towards Bananas, but I would say your win was
Speaker 1: even more iconic than Banana's winning in that particular moment
Speaker 1: because everyone understood what you were fighting for. It made
Speaker 1: sense you were being true to your word. And then girl,
Speaker 1: you crushed it and he looked dumb as hell, good
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 3: Oh dumb, so dumb, like and like that's what people
Speaker 3: don't understand. It's like, first of all, I had a
Speaker 3: fight to even like make my team. Like people didn't
Speaker 3: understand that I was the first one to initiate the
Speaker 3: conversation of like why should I say? No one said
Speaker 3: anything at that table, and I was like, you know
Speaker 3: what if I'm going to do it here, I am
Speaker 3: like you know, like they didn't show me approaching Corey,
Speaker 3: and like Corey and I had like a pretty good
Speaker 3: like hour talk of like before this even happened, like
Speaker 3: why I wanted to say, like what my reasoning were,
Speaker 3: like like why I was who I was, and like
Speaker 3: I had to put a lot of work into staying
Speaker 3: on the team and then like for me to like
Speaker 3: get this victory, and also like I wanted to prove
Speaker 3: to Corey. I wanted to prove to Toy. I wanted
Speaker 3: to improve the people that like didn't know me, and
Speaker 3: like I was here for them. It was a bigger
Speaker 3: purpose no matter who wins or loses, Like I get
Speaker 3: it there there can only be so many winners. But
Speaker 3: I want Era three to win. I want to represent
Speaker 3: our team well and I believe in it, and I
Speaker 3: already had to work so hard and for me to
Speaker 3: even put myself on the line, Like when we all
Speaker 3: got picked to pick team captains. Yeah, no one on
Speaker 3: ERA three said anything. I was going to ask you.
Speaker 1: That, how did you come to the agreement of who
Speaker 1: was going to be the team captains? Like how did
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That was like a crazy thing. And honestly, the
Speaker 3: reason I picked myself to be an ERA three captain
Speaker 3: was one Derek volunteered himself. And when I heard that
Speaker 3: Derek was volunteering himself, my mind started like going a
Speaker 3: mile a minute. And so my first thought was there's
Speaker 3: a reason where captains, right, Like there's there's either a
Speaker 3: great reward or great risk, right we're taking. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the ads. I don't know anybody really on ERA
Speaker 3: one at that pick. I don't know Jody, I don't
Speaker 3: know Drrel, I don't know anybody on Era four.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like it would give you like because
Speaker 1: of you and Tony, we see you both mention as
Speaker 1: far as your connections in the house, feeling like you
Speaker 1: both have limited connections in the house right because you
Speaker 1: both have you know, maybe haven't been as involved over
Speaker 1: the years all that. Did you feel like volunteering as
Speaker 1: the captain? And TJ is so diabolical for calling it
Speaker 1: captain and then going to do a pull switch up
Speaker 1: and call it targets for the next episode. But anyway,
Speaker 1: did you think that volunteering to be captain would help
Speaker 1: signal to your team and other people like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a leader, I'm loyal, Like, did you think it would
Speaker 1: help you make relative relationships?
Speaker 3: Huh h, Like I wanted to prove to my team
Speaker 3: like that. Like what they don't show is me pitching
Speaker 3: to Corey for like an hour before the deliberation and
Speaker 3: being like, this is why I am an asset, Like
Speaker 3: I don't have any problems with your team, I don't
Speaker 3: have any animosity towards you or anybody, Like I am
Speaker 3: here for you just as much as I am here
Speaker 3: for me. I'm I have been a teammate my whole life,
Speaker 3: I have nothing against you, and like for me to
Speaker 3: like tell him be like, hey, I'm willing to sacrifice
Speaker 3: myself to show you how much I believe you, like
Speaker 3: thanks for saving me, Like, let me show you that
Speaker 3: I'm ready to compete. And I believe in us. I
Speaker 3: believe in Air three, Like I really do believe we
Speaker 3: have the strongest team. And that was my philosophy going in.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, if anybody that's gonna save me,
Speaker 3: if it is this thing, and I'm already thinking like
Speaker 3: three steps ahead, if we do have to vote in captains,
Speaker 3: which I don't know. I just had an inkling, the
Speaker 3: only person that's gonna save me is Derek for sure.
Speaker 3: So if I for sure and him win, Like that's
Speaker 3: how my brain was working. I already knew what was
Speaker 3: going on, Like I have a fifty to fifty shot
Speaker 3: versus a twenty five percent shot. If he's gonna go
Speaker 3: wherever that is a shot, I'm going to take fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty. If Derek gonna be wins, I know that
Speaker 3: I'm safe. I know it. There's no if sands or butts.
Speaker 3: I know Derek's gonna save me. He is my friend.
Speaker 3: We've been wanting to do this for so long, we
Speaker 3: wanting to help each other out. This is the time,
Speaker 3: it's so early in the game. This is loyalty that
Speaker 3: I know that goes back for a decade. Like if
Speaker 3: it was Tony and he had one of his friends,
Speaker 3: like he's known for ten years and I didn't fucking
Speaker 3: know the other team, I would decide to with Tony.
Speaker 1: Well, you have common sense. I mean that's I feel like, Hey,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 3: On like you don't think Derek would have looked out
Speaker 3: for you. You don't think that like I would have been,
Speaker 3: like yo, Derek, like this extend, Like that's the thing
Speaker 3: Like now watching back, Tony never explained any of this
Speaker 3: to me, Like he never told me why. But like
Speaker 3: Tony was looking out for himself as I was looking
Speaker 3: out for myself. Nowhere in that conversations with Kyle and
Speaker 3: or Casey was like if I save you, will you
Speaker 3: save me? Anne Avery? It was just him. So if
Speaker 3: we're gonna be selfish, let's be selfish because like I
Speaker 3: know for a fact, my person's gonna have my back
Speaker 3: more than this person's gonna have your back.
Speaker 1: When Derek got word tall, Derek no shade to small Derek. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Derek got word that you were potentially going to
Speaker 1: have to go in because you were essentially standing on
Speaker 1: your word and protecting him, did he come up to
Speaker 1: you and say anything, Like did he say, hey, don't
Speaker 1: do this for me? Did he say he would go in?
Speaker 1: Like what was Derek's reaction when he to you when
Speaker 1: he first got win that you might be putting yourself
Speaker 1: at risk in trying to protect him?
Speaker 3: Honestly, that was never a conversation that we had to have.
Speaker 1: He never talked to you about it.
Speaker 3: No, he never really did, you know, Like I think
Speaker 3: like it was just an unspoken thing, like we've talked
Speaker 3: about for years years, Like maybe that's why it's like
Speaker 3: on the show we never spoke about it, but years before,
Speaker 3: like I'm not even joking guys, like I have gone
Speaker 3: to Thanksgiving at this man's house with his brother, like
Speaker 3: like we are friends, Like this is for real, like
Speaker 3: and we've always discussed this, Like, Hey, I just want
Speaker 3: you to know, unspoken bond, I will always have your
Speaker 3: back as long as I can have your back. That's
Speaker 3: a thing that we've always said. It's not that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't save him. Week seven, but if I can week one.
Speaker 3: There's a difference, you know, like you know, if it
Speaker 3: doesn't really impact my game, gotcha, Like you know, like
Speaker 3: there's a there's a time, and it didn't.
Speaker 1: Really impact your game. Ultimately, Yeah, I stood on it.
Speaker 1: Okay at that point, Avery, did it become because at
Speaker 1: first we see you standing on business because that's your friend,
Speaker 1: and you and Darek go way back, and again, everybody
Speaker 1: in the house, it seems, was siding with you, which
Speaker 1: had to feel good ever been.
Speaker 3: Even Casey and Kylon came up to me and shook
Speaker 3: my hand and said, we know why you're doing this,
Speaker 3: and we would do the same thing. I don't even
Speaker 3: understand why Tony is not agreeing with you, Like that's
Speaker 3: the craziest shit. Yeah, Tony was like okay, cool, like
Speaker 3: not even take it personally like they got it. But
Speaker 3: like for him to not get it, or for him
Speaker 3: to even talk to me about it, that's what threw
Speaker 3: me off. Like that's a noman no one saw, Like
Speaker 3: we never spoke about it. We never spoke about it.
Speaker 3: He never gave me a reason as to why ask
Speaker 3: him save Kylin and Casey, Yeah, well full times and
Speaker 3: he never had a reason We.
Speaker 1: Saw him say on the show that you were blinded
Speaker 1: by friendship? What do you feel you feel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know that's crazy that he said that,
Speaker 3: because I get that whole blinded by friendship. But like,
Speaker 3: let's let's break it down, all right, let's let's let's
Speaker 3: break it down to be even Derek versus Kylin and Casey. Right,
Speaker 3: we're competing against eras. If we knock off Derek and Aviev,
Speaker 3: what does Erra to lose? Seriously, now, if we knock
Speaker 3: off Kylin, who is one of the smartest players in
Speaker 3: the game. You know, it's more history than I know,
Speaker 3: and I was on the franchise, and Casey, who's one
Speaker 3: of the strongest females, what is that going to do
Speaker 3: to our era? Is that going to improve our era?
Speaker 1: Well, it does make you guys stronger, exactly, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just I will feel.
Speaker 3: Like it does make us stronger, correct.
Speaker 1: If well, if Kylin and Casey go home, it makes
Speaker 1: you guys stronger. But the odds of Kylin and Casey
Speaker 1: going home versus Darrell and Jody, no shame. But where
Speaker 1: I mean my money would have been on Casey and
Speaker 1: Kyland to come back in the game, and like Tony's
Speaker 1: logic initially did make sense. I will give him that initially, like.
Speaker 3: But you're but you're eliminating two strong teams.
Speaker 1: Right, But he's yes, But the other side of that
Speaker 1: is who's going to more likely be back in the
Speaker 1: winner seat? And he's right that Kylin and Casey have
Speaker 1: a high probability, like the fact that they were so
Speaker 1: confident even in their you know, their talking head interviews,
Speaker 1: They're just like, yeah, it's only a matter of time
Speaker 1: to we're in those winners chairs, and then they're going
Speaker 1: to repay the favor. Like he had a point there,
Speaker 1: but the point ended after about ten seconds.
Speaker 3: But he wanted to take big shots. That's a big shot, right,
Speaker 3: Like if you could eliminate Kyland or Casey to Air four,
Speaker 3: that's a big shot to air for sure, right.
Speaker 1: Sure, But was that really possible?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think so. If you give Jody
Speaker 3: and Dureau a match up, Jody could have been Casey.
Speaker 3: Dureau could have belan he didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I think odd, like, like,
Speaker 1: who who's gonna save my team?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean I think ERA three, though, is in the
Speaker 1: best position you do. I think Era three though, is
Speaker 1: in the best position, and it could have been either way.
Speaker 1: Like to be fair, I would have been on Era
Speaker 1: three had I been in this season, and so I
Speaker 1: think they're in the sweetest spot of having because even
Speaker 1: me being on if I were on Era three, I
Speaker 1: started my season with a lot of Era two people,
Speaker 1: but then know a lot of ERA four people, and
Speaker 1: I think that's true for a lot of them, So
Speaker 1: I do. I will say this because obviously we've already
Speaker 1: laid into Tony and Wilmore, but I will say this
Speaker 1: and has been I think he too. In the beginning.
Speaker 1: His argument was strategic because yes, you can look at
Speaker 1: it as who's going to have my back and who's
Speaker 1: going to save my team When it comes to the
Speaker 1: argument of saving your team, I think both Era two
Speaker 1: and ERA four have strong ties to Era three. But
Speaker 1: then I also think while you're looking at it as
Speaker 1: who do have a strong connection with because I know
Speaker 1: they're gonna have my back, which would be Derek shout
Speaker 1: out to He was looking at it as who's ultimately
Speaker 1: going to be on top at some point and will
Speaker 1: owe me one to help save me because yeah, down
Speaker 1: the line, and I don't think that that's a wrong
Speaker 1: way to view it either, but obviously you had stronger
Speaker 1: history in his unwaveringness. So at what point, Avery, because
Speaker 1: we do know that you it's been said that you're stubborn.
Speaker 1: At one point, though, did it move beyond your friendship
Speaker 1: with Derek and move to a point of Tony's pissing
Speaker 1: me off because he's being a jerk and I just
Speaker 1: want to like equally be like stick it to Tony.
Speaker 1: At what point did your decision move to that level?
Speaker 3: Totally? There was a time and it was I think
Speaker 3: when like there was a time at the Toga party.
Speaker 3: More like I think Tony and I haven't a really
Speaker 3: good conversation and I wanted him to express to me.
Speaker 3: I wanted him to tell me, just tell me why
Speaker 3: you want to save Kyland and Casey and he couldn't.
Speaker 3: So here I am giving him, like giving Tony so
Speaker 3: many reasons of why you want to save Derek. Derek's
Speaker 3: one person I know that I can trust for my
Speaker 3: game for a year of three and I don't have
Speaker 3: a number one at this point, Like I you know,
Speaker 3: Coreyn and I had talked, but like I can extend
Speaker 3: this alli branch to you, like if I talk to Derek.
Speaker 3: He can be in a position where he also saves
Speaker 3: you too, like hear me out, like, listen to me.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't willing to even he didn't tell me
Speaker 3: about this deal with Kylin and Casey, Like if he
Speaker 3: would have been like, yo, abes Kylan and Casey said,
Speaker 3: if we save them, we not Tony, we because I'm
Speaker 3: a part of this fucking team too. If we save them,
Speaker 3: they're gonna save us. That would have been a whole
Speaker 3: different game changer, like, all right, they're a strong team.
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep our team strong. That makes sense. But
Speaker 3: he didn't, and he wouldn't, right, And he never told
Speaker 3: me any of that. He just told me his reasoning
Speaker 3: of why he wouldn't side with me. It was because
Speaker 3: I was so gung hull about Derek, and I gave
Speaker 3: him reason after reason after reason of why I wanted
Speaker 3: to keep Derek, Like if we were in different circumstances
Speaker 3: and it was Tony's best friend of ten years and
Speaker 3: he was like, yo, ads, if you saved this person,
Speaker 3: they're going to have our back like you and I Like,
Speaker 3: if it was a Nicole or if it was one
Speaker 3: of his rider dies, I would have, I would have
Speaker 3: agreed with him, but like he didn't know them. He
Speaker 3: knew Derek. He just played All Stars Score with Derek,
Speaker 3: he knew the relationship we had. Like you're disrespecting me,
Speaker 3: like in my my connections and like you don't trust that,
Speaker 3: like my people would be willing to risk for you.
Speaker 3: What kind of friends do you have? Then? Are gonna
Speaker 3: do that? Because my friends will, the alliances that I make,
Speaker 3: the people that I have an escape if I vouched
Speaker 3: for somebody, they're willing to be like, all right, do
Speaker 3: they have my back? Yeah? They have your back, And
Speaker 3: if they don't, I'll be the first to fucking tell you.
Speaker 2: Was there any point when you saw that Tony was
Speaker 2: not going to take his foot off the gas It
Speaker 2: wasn't coming off.
Speaker 4: Was there at any point where there were where you
Speaker 4: were like, you know.
Speaker 2: What, Okay, maybe maybe I'll just let him have this
Speaker 2: and then I'll rearrange my game later on or anything
Speaker 2: like that. Did you think about folding at any point?
Speaker 3: You know, as terrible as it is, No, No, because
Speaker 3: I know because he didn't give me a good reason.
Speaker 3: If you would have given me a reason, that's that's
Speaker 3: that's the difference. I want you to tell me why.
Speaker 3: But if you're not giving a why, don't expect me
Speaker 3: to bend. No, absolutely not, Like you need to give
Speaker 3: me a reason Like I don't bend for anybody in
Speaker 3: my life, regardless of who they are. I need you
Speaker 3: to give me, like a reason of why am I
Speaker 3: bending and you're not giving me that. I much other
Speaker 3: I would much rather risk it because I know that
Speaker 3: Derek won't have my back any any day of the week.
Speaker 1: Do you think that his refusal was ego him not
Speaker 1: wanting to be there, or misogyny just curious?
Speaker 3: What can I say? All of the above. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what I think. I think it is all of the above.
Speaker 3: I think it was him like thinking that he was
Speaker 3: big in bed and it's like fucking tony.
Speaker 1: Time time for him to go home, time for her
Speaker 1: to sit down.
Speaker 3: Well, like, bitch, your fucking time is up. Your time
Speaker 3: is up. Like you wanted to make big news, like
Speaker 3: you said you were to make fucking like small moves
Speaker 3: or you're to make big moves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a move back home.
Speaker 3: It's not a big move.
Speaker 1: What he made? A move back to America?
Speaker 3: Like big moves are to make Two big competitors from
Speaker 3: two big eras go home it benefits our era.
Speaker 1: Do you think he really wanted because at a certain point,
Speaker 1: even him just telling TJ and TJ seemed to noise.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, we can't make a move
Speaker 1: or whatever, like and when we saw him in the elimination,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even really running and trying after a certain point, like,
Speaker 1: do you think he really was putting an effort? Do
Speaker 1: you think he was just trying to collect a check
Speaker 1: because we saw people say that they felt like he
Speaker 1: didn't want to be like, yeah, what was happening?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he wanted to be there. And
Speaker 3: sorry not sorry, every of the other fucking cast members
Speaker 3: saw it, and I saw it on All Stars four
Speaker 3: and that's what makes me so mad. It's like on
Speaker 3: All Stars four he left him like what two weeks
Speaker 3: and he said he had a family emergency. I am
Speaker 3: all for a family emergency. I get it, Okay, I
Speaker 3: totally get it. Shit happened. But like if we're already
Speaker 3: like asking Nicole, like meaning Adam and I are like yo,
Speaker 3: like can we just ask you like a random question? Nicole,
Speaker 3: Like you're like one of the closest people to Tony,
Speaker 3: do you know what happened? And she's like no, I'm okay,
Speaker 3: nothing like is reported upon it. Mind you. Tony is
Speaker 3: very like social media conscious and like like says every
Speaker 3: single fucking aspect of his life. Like I just so
Speaker 3: get it. If you wanted to go home, that's totally fine.
Speaker 3: I get it. But what really makes me upset is
Speaker 3: if you're gonna go home, and you know that's what
Speaker 3: you want to do, why would you eliminate like Leroy,
Speaker 3: Like they've wanted to be there, be there? Yeah, why
Speaker 3: would you take this passion? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's so it's so incredibly selfish.
Speaker 3: Right, like like he wanted to be there, he wanted
Speaker 3: to fight, and and it's so selfish too, And like
Speaker 3: if you don't want to be there and you don't
Speaker 3: want to compete, why are you here? Because I love
Speaker 3: to do these things. I'd love to do them. It
Speaker 3: gives me motivation to like stay healthy, It gives me
Speaker 3: motivation to live, it gives you like so many people
Speaker 3: do this for so many reasons, and if you're not
Speaker 3: appreciating it, then why are you here?
Speaker 1: I agree? Like, I agree, I hope the stain of
Speaker 1: him looking like a complete idiot from this episode stays
Speaker 1: with him for the rest of his challenge career. I'm
Speaker 1: that mad about it.
Speaker 3: There's so many more people that want.
Speaker 1: To go you know, yeah, yeah, have been there.
Speaker 4: All right, we have say a quick break. Well right back.
Speaker 1: After this, Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 2: I want to shoot years because this little Tony conversation
Speaker 2: has ran its time.
Speaker 4: Its course, it's done, like the Klakistan.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's no more Tony time, no more time
Speaker 1: to time the Klakistan.
Speaker 3: Tony's time is up.
Speaker 2: But the clock is ticking on these showmances and I
Speaker 2: want to get into it because the house or the
Speaker 2: I need to know because you were there, Naya, I
Speaker 2: know everything.
Speaker 1: Wait then tell us everything, tell us everything everything?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, where the show mans like hot or what?
Speaker 3: I mean? I know Naya's Naya. First of all, like
Speaker 3: like I ain't playing with her. I was very impressed,
Speaker 3: you know, I was like, okay, like how quick? Then
Speaker 3: she jumped from Josh to Coyland like she found her
Speaker 3: mark and she stuck to her mark. And I appreciate
Speaker 3: that she's a sniper that one like and like the
Speaker 3: Devin and Michelle, we knew we were just it was
Speaker 3: just a counting of the days. It was just like
Speaker 3: the writing was on the wall. They've had history. We
Speaker 3: were like asking for it. The one that I was
Speaker 3: actually most shocked about was the Brad and Emily me too.
Speaker 3: I was so sure. I was like, wait what And
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you didn't hear about them. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, this is like high school,
Speaker 3: like please tell me, like what is going on? Tell
Speaker 3: me everything. The walls are, the walls are whispering, let's go.
Speaker 3: But when they told me about the bread and Emily
Speaker 3: think I was there for it. I wish I could
Speaker 3: see it, Like what a great I thought that was
Speaker 3: just amazing to watch, just beautiful specimens of humans, like
Speaker 3: a beautiful male, beautiful female, Like what what am I watching?
Speaker 3: Poetry in motion?
Speaker 1: Do you think Nya? Let's go back to Nya and
Speaker 1: Kayland and Josh and the triangle that was. Do you
Speaker 1: think Josh she that night Joshlyn do you think that
Speaker 1: Nya as we were seeing it now without any spoilers,
Speaker 1: but do you think right now she's obviously pursuing Kyland
Speaker 1: or he's pursuing her in her bed, whatever you wanna
Speaker 1: call it, do you think she's making the right choice
Speaker 1: by going for Kylan over Josh from both a personal
Speaker 1: standpoint and then also what's your view from a political
Speaker 1: like in the game standpoint?
Speaker 3: Right, So, like, one thing I really appreciate about Maya
Speaker 3: is she's so calculated and she's so like perceptive of
Speaker 3: like everything that is going on. Do I think that
Speaker 3: she's making a like a choice totally. She's making a
Speaker 3: choice of Josh, who is pretty good socially, but with
Speaker 3: Josh comes a lot of like drama. Like I never
Speaker 3: known Josh before this season. I love him as a
Speaker 3: human Like from what I've gathered from Josh, I think
Speaker 3: he's really funny and I I adore him. But what
Speaker 3: I've also gathered from Josh as Josh brings the drama right,
Speaker 3: but it gathered from Kyland is Kyland is more of
Speaker 3: a smooth operator. Kylight is very aware. Kyland, I am
Speaker 3: not stressing, is one of the smartest players and the challenge.
Speaker 3: He knows everything about everything. If I could pick him
Speaker 3: as a teammate, I would hands down. I would love
Speaker 3: to work with Kyland. He is so smart, he's so athletic,
Speaker 3: he's so loyal, he keeps it up front, Like, I
Speaker 3: just really appreciate his authenticity, and I think like as
Speaker 3: a game strategy, her moving on to Kylan is probably
Speaker 3: good for her game, just because Kylan is one of
Speaker 3: the strongest males of Era four. I think that he
Speaker 3: is definitely the brains of the Operation three or four.
Speaker 3: I think that he knows the most socially aware of
Speaker 3: where the dynamics play. I think that he's just aware
Speaker 3: in general of like how the game's evolved. He's watched
Speaker 3: it like he is. Just so he knows more about
Speaker 3: the contestants on our show than we know about each other.
Speaker 3: Like that's what's crazy about Kylin.
Speaker 4: Kylin gon do his research, but for real, Like that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Could know everybody's birthday and could tell you there's zodiac sign.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I be like, Okay, we should
Speaker 1: quit him on that. I actually feel like, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Like she's a Scorpio, she's a quiet I bet.
Speaker 1: You should kiss Kyland when he comes on. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you think that Nia's making the smarter choice by pursuing Kylin.
Speaker 1: At least that's what we see so far.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the Josh and Tory fight
Speaker 1: that happened. Oh, Josh seemed really sensitive her over his
Speaker 1: feelings with Naya, and then really since they and her.
Speaker 3: Reaction totally, I definitely feel like like Josh felt like
Speaker 3: him and I had a connection. I mean, like, look
Speaker 3: at Naya, Like she's a fucking beautiful goddess, Like she's
Speaker 3: a fucking tall drink of water. She's like she's like
Speaker 3: so magnetic, Like she has like this energy and aura
Speaker 3: about her that I just attract people to her. I
Speaker 3: totally see what Josh is saying about Nya, like she
Speaker 3: is truly a magnetic person.
Speaker 1: But now you think he was valid to get so
Speaker 1: emotionally upset about it, like given that it's been only
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Right, I see on that instance, I'm like, man, like
Speaker 3: we know, we know what we know, like we know
Speaker 3: what it's like a challenge thing like we get worked
Speaker 3: up at our emotions. I think that like Josh probably
Speaker 3: had his balls up a little bit more. I mean,
Speaker 3: as much as I love Nya, it's Nya like you know,
Speaker 3: like she's not she's not stupid, and she knows what
Speaker 3: she's doing, and like Josh also knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: And if you can pola dick or you know, like
Speaker 3: whatever the boys do, Like what what what word should
Speaker 3: we make for what the boys do because they do
Speaker 3: it just as well, but it's not politicking like when
Speaker 3: they like hop on some girls clip, like what do
Speaker 3: they do when the girls like what what do we do?
Speaker 3: When the boys have on the girl train, like and
Speaker 3: they're like, ooh, I gotta like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that would be research for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listeners, let us know.
Speaker 3: We need you guys to let us know because the
Speaker 3: boys did the same.
Speaker 1: While we're thinking about it. What I mean, we're talking
Speaker 1: about all the hookups in the house, but obviously you
Speaker 1: have now one of the most notorious not hookups in
Speaker 1: the house hook up after the house. But you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship with a challenger. Yeah, how is that going?
Speaker 1: How is stepmomming going?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. That has been a wild ride. It's
Speaker 3: it's so funny because every show I go on or
Speaker 3: everything I go on, I realize that Adam to me,
Speaker 3: Like when I think of Adam, I think it's like
Speaker 3: just like a cute, a cute, wholesome man that's just
Speaker 3: like a single dad, just those like normal guy things
Speaker 3: I don't know. But then like I hear all these
Speaker 3: stories about how crazy he used to be and like
Speaker 3: how many girls you hooked up with? And I'm like
Speaker 3: that that's Adam, Like that's the Adam.
Speaker 1: Have you watched any of his like gone back and
Speaker 1: watched any of his old.
Speaker 3: I have, and I laugh, I laugh like hysterically. He
Speaker 3: thins it's like he's like, that's not funny. And I
Speaker 3: was like, no, you're so cute. I love that for you,
Speaker 3: and he was like, you used to be so cute.
Speaker 3: But like it is, it is really cool to like
Speaker 3: see like him growing and like having this experience together
Speaker 3: of having us me at an Austar spore and just
Speaker 3: having like another castmate that like I never thought in
Speaker 3: my life, like after Johnny and Riley, that I would
Speaker 3: ever date anybody over my ole out of TV. Like
Speaker 3: I was over it. I was done when I met him.
Speaker 3: It's almost like the opposite, Like I love it. I
Speaker 3: love that he can relate to my experiences. I love that,
Speaker 3: you know, when I go out for these shows or
Speaker 3: he goes out for these shows, it's not a contention
Speaker 3: in our relationship. It's more of like we know you're working,
Speaker 3: I'm here for you. Just you know, I'll be here
Speaker 3: when you go back, and if you need any advice,
Speaker 3: call me. And it's right. That for me is like
Speaker 3: the biggest support. Like having somebody in our situation that
Speaker 3: knows what it's like is so important. I never really
Speaker 3: thought like that, Like I always thought that being on
Speaker 3: reality TV was like a red flat to like any
Speaker 3: boyfriend that I would or girlfriend that I would ever date, right,
Speaker 3: But for him, it's more of a bonding experience. So
Speaker 3: it's been really I think healthy for both of us
Speaker 3: to like grow and both live our authenticity and our
Speaker 3: dreams and have each other there to like understand it.
Speaker 3: I think it's really important. And especially like he has
Speaker 3: two girls and they get it. They're so supportive. They
Speaker 3: love it. They almost like brag about it at school.
Speaker 3: They're like my parents are Yeah, They're like my parents
Speaker 3: do TV And I'm like, can we not? So it's
Speaker 3: really interesting and having that perspective of like the happy
Speaker 3: medium of like we're still hip, we're still young, we're
Speaker 3: still you know, like we still are cool, we're still relevant,
Speaker 3: but like we're also at a different stage where we
Speaker 3: can teach other people to be like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: who you are? Is that what you are? Maintain who
Speaker 3: like you're authenticity and you're in side. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a pretty cool experience to have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know that parenting is and obviously day
Speaker 1: can speak to this too, is like arguably the hardest
Speaker 1: job one can have or one of the hardest jobs.
Speaker 1: I want to know for you coming in as like
Speaker 1: a stepmom and a supporter and a you know, female
Speaker 1: influence for these young girls, what do you think is harder?
Speaker 1: Is it being a parent or struggle bussing in that
Speaker 1: giant canoe? And then the food?
Speaker 3: The food?
Speaker 1: What was the hardest part for you in this competition?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. To be completely honest, I'm surprised I
Speaker 3: didn't pew because I no one knows this and like
Speaker 3: you guys have a first note like I killed Adam
Speaker 3: maybe the second to know that I'm peuge in my
Speaker 3: mouth followed it. I was like, are we really going
Speaker 3: to do? Like I'm really going to like compete to
Speaker 3: like do a final like I was up to being like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get a night, relax, have fun. Day one.
Speaker 3: They were like boo, here you go. And I was
Speaker 3: like Oh my god, I almost like grew up, Like
Speaker 3: I truly threw up in my mouth. And I'm so
Speaker 3: shocked that I didn't like throw up like I swallowed it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna throw up. That was like
Speaker 3: wild to me. What I did know from going into
Speaker 3: the invitational was I kind of found out like whose
Speaker 3: weaknesses were what m So that was like a cool
Speaker 3: thing to know. So like just for future future challenges,
Speaker 3: I know who can't handle like tight spaces And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm Lenna, keep that in mind. THEO do not with THEO.
Speaker 3: He is so claustrophobic. THEO. I love you, your great competitor,
Speaker 3: your best, but we all know that THEO he is
Speaker 3: he does not do well in type spaces. So he
Speaker 3: did well, bro, Yeah he did. He did faces in
Speaker 3: him he is not like but that was like the
Speaker 3: hardest thing for me. And just like to be honest,
Speaker 3: like coming into the house and not knowing a lot
Speaker 3: of these people and not having the relationship so like
Speaker 3: even if you didn't like each other, they had these
Speaker 3: experiences with I never had. That was the hardest thing
Speaker 3: for me. Was like how am I going to solidify myself?
Speaker 3: How am I going to make these people believe me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that I play a pretty straightforward game.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty loyal. If I tell you what I want
Speaker 3: to do, I'm going to do it right. But it
Speaker 3: was really hard for me to even get to that
Speaker 3: point to have people believe who I am. Because you've
Speaker 3: been playing these people for like years, a decade, right,
Speaker 3: and you know you're.
Speaker 1: Coming at a disadvantage, and it seems like you really
Speaker 1: value your relationships now, so the ones you're fighting so
Speaker 1: hard to build, particularly this season. So then when we
Speaker 1: see TJ throw out there, but now you have to
Speaker 1: pick the tart. TJ side note needs to get better
Speaker 1: at gift giving because the gifts quote unquote he's giving
Speaker 1: the challenge are not great. So he gives you the
Speaker 1: gift having won this elimination you and Durrell of picking
Speaker 1: the targets from each team this, yeah on this, How
Speaker 1: hard was that? And what was what was your strategy there?
Speaker 1: And you know for who you picked? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly that that was probably the most difficult. I
Speaker 3: don't know anybody like That's why I screwed up, Like
Speaker 3: I was going to have my back if I say
Speaker 3: to you, are you gonna say me. But what I
Speaker 3: do know is on Era one, I had a connection.
Speaker 1: With Brad really vie because I don't think Brad.
Speaker 3: Is gonna say my name. It might been the bear,
Speaker 3: might have been the eyes. I don't know, it might
Speaker 3: have been something in the beard, whatever, but I knew
Speaker 3: Brad wasn't was probably going to say, so I don't
Speaker 3: want to vote Brad. You know, ct that's the beast. Derek,
Speaker 3: that's the beast. You know. But I heard that Derek
Speaker 3: was saying some like pretty mean things about me, so
Speaker 3: that get easy out, like oh, like what and why?
Speaker 3: Apparently when like I was going against Jodie, he just
Speaker 3: was like very like mean to the point where I
Speaker 3: don't leave it know what truly Derek said, but to
Speaker 3: the point where I got on the bus and he
Speaker 3: came up to me and apologized.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I'm sorry, I said some relating
Speaker 3: awful things.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you did.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what they were, but he did,
Speaker 3: so you can admit that, Yeah, have you committed you
Speaker 3: were wrong? Then all right, cool slaps. Did the right thing.
Speaker 3: But like Eric too, I was thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 3: everybody gives Banana's crap. I got to know Bananas pretty
Speaker 3: well on the show, like I think, like well enough
Speaker 3: to like see what kind of human I think I'd
Speaker 3: work with him in the future. You know, call me,
Speaker 3: call me crazy, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: What I really appreciate about him is if he's gonna
Speaker 3: dog you, he's gonna dog into your face he has
Speaker 3: to do like that blindside ship. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: I really do appreciate that. And uh, knowing what I
Speaker 3: saw in this episode, I didn't realize that he actually
Speaker 3: said that's totally like that that slaps Like for me,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that was really cool of him to like
Speaker 3: do that, Like he didn't know me, I know you.
Speaker 1: You then he did his own mom, which is really.
Speaker 3: Right and like and like for me, when I met
Speaker 3: Banana's was on excess to I think like it was
Speaker 3: almost my bias, Like I had a bias against him.
Speaker 3: He was not nice. He was one of the main
Speaker 3: people that made me hate eras too or I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: excess too. He was one of those main people that
Speaker 3: made me hate excess to right, like one of those
Speaker 3: weird things that you always remember, right, so you always
Speaker 3: hold a grudge and like I think, like the more
Speaker 3: that I spoke to him on this current season, that
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, he doesn't remember that, Like everybody's there
Speaker 3: a chance, and I, you know, like I would, I
Speaker 3: would work in in the future, but like sucks because
Speaker 3: Niamaya's never done anything to me anything, but like Bananas,
Speaker 3: you kind of were mean to me. I do remember
Speaker 3: that he will never forget. And I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say Ryan because Brian I fucking love that guy. And
Speaker 3: Brandon was already gone, you know, Like I didn't have
Speaker 3: many many things, but then my brain was thinking, who's
Speaker 3: gonna save Jordan. I think it's gonna be Bananas, It's
Speaker 3: gonna save them. So like for me, it was just
Speaker 3: like I gotta, I gotta who's gonna save my team?
Speaker 3: Who's going to save Jordan? And who's gonna save Naya?
Speaker 3: Because I want my team to save the strongest. Who
Speaker 3: does my team have the better connection with I already
Speaker 3: need that ticking who I picked, and I knew that
Speaker 3: Bananas and Laurel would it picked Jordan, which therefore would
Speaker 3: take Naya, which saves my season. So why wouldn't I
Speaker 3: do that? Rasio and Jordan have like this weird thing
Speaker 3: where they love to compete each other. Why wouldn't I
Speaker 3: pick Rasio to save Jordan because they love to compete
Speaker 3: each other. Like it just kind of made sense to me, Like,
Speaker 3: how am I gonna save my own era? Chick chess?
Speaker 3: You gotta think two steps ahead? You know what I enjoy?
Speaker 2: I enjoy listening to you dissect the game and the players.
Speaker 2: You break down the eras, and you break down you
Speaker 2: know how each player is connected. I want to play
Speaker 2: one of our games for this season with you. DEVI
Speaker 2: and I have a game where we let the guest
Speaker 2: choose a high school superlative for each era.
Speaker 4: So most likely to dot dot dot.
Speaker 1: You ready for that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I could. I could definitely do that. I love that.
Speaker 1: So let's start with Era four.
Speaker 3: Most likely to backstab their number one alliance. They got
Speaker 3: no loyalty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got no loyalty, but that's probably right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Era four they are looking out for themselves. They
Speaker 3: truly don't give a fuck about their era. As long
Speaker 3: as they are going forward and out backwards, They're gonna
Speaker 3: do whatever they can to win.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of infighting, but that's that's fair
Speaker 1: and then okay, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, so how about
Speaker 1: Era three.
Speaker 4: Let's just go up. How about Air three.
Speaker 3: I would say Era three is most likely to be stubborn,
Speaker 3: Like we are the most probably the most stubborn era
Speaker 3: of all Euros, because I can't see a single one
Speaker 3: of us backing down to something that we really believe in.
Speaker 3: Like if you tell Jordans to do something that he
Speaker 3: is like, oh, fuck you, he's gonna do it. Tory, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's gonna do it me, Tony b Roy, john A, Cory, Amanda.
Speaker 3: You tell any of us that we can't do something,
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. Just Devin almost, We're gonna be like,
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna put you wrong. Just tell you
Speaker 3: to sucker dicks.
Speaker 1: Like you really do have the hard heads on your team.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. We really do, like we really do.
Speaker 3: Like we we are the ones that are like you
Speaker 3: know what, fuck you guys, Like I'll show you like
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, man, like we might break the ball,
Speaker 3: we might, we might hurt ourselves, but we're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I would say Era two is most likely man. I
Speaker 3: would say Era two is like mis congeniality. Okay, like
Speaker 3: friends with Everybody either put their little.
Speaker 1: TV in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but like think about it, think about the
Speaker 3: like the weirdos that they have, like the I can
Speaker 3: think about like the little unique little things that like
Speaker 3: everybody in Era too have, Like everybody in Error two
Speaker 3: is so unique and authentically them.
Speaker 5: Like that's a way to put it for real though,
Speaker 5: Like you have Kelly Anne, you have Derek, you have
Speaker 5: Ryan Kara, Laurel Randon, like Emily, like you have Neomya.
Speaker 3: Like they're all like so unique individuals that like you're like,
Speaker 3: all right, these are like the hippies, Like these are
Speaker 3: like the ones that are like self expression, Like they're
Speaker 3: the ones that are like doing things that are like
Speaker 3: out of the norm. Like they're the ones that like
Speaker 3: find a niche and like go with it fair.
Speaker 1: I also think they have connection. It's they're in the middle,
Speaker 1: so they cross over. They come from old school and
Speaker 1: new school in a weird way. Like yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of benefit to that. That's that's
Speaker 1: really bad. What do you think about Era Woma?
Speaker 3: They're more like the family era, like if they if
Speaker 3: they like have somebody from like their era, they don't
Speaker 3: even have to like them, Like they don't even have
Speaker 3: to like give a fuck about them, but they're gonna
Speaker 3: have their back. That doesn't better yeah, like for real,
Speaker 3: for real, like like they don't care, like, hey, we
Speaker 3: both did real world Sydney, Like if she's my right
Speaker 3: or I hater, hater fucking guts, hate's guts. Yes she's dead,
Speaker 3: but they're my guy because like we're family. We started
Speaker 3: this journey together. Like they like really have that phone
Speaker 3: digition for some reason, Like you're like, oh really you
Speaker 3: hate for some reason?
Speaker 5: You hate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you hate this person, yet you're still gonna
Speaker 3: like argue for them.
Speaker 1: It really does give dysfunctional family vibes.
Speaker 2: Like I can talk about my sister, but you can't
Speaker 2: talk about exactly like I can tell her, like I
Speaker 2: can tell you she's a crazy hot mess.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me she's a hot mess. I'll beat
Speaker 3: you up.
Speaker 1: That's true, especially how swift they are at voting for
Speaker 1: each other. They literally will be like I've known this
Speaker 1: person for thirty five years. We want to challenge together.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna nominate Avive to go in, like if I
Speaker 1: had to go against anybody, Like wait, what you just
Speaker 1: said you've known this person for a million, and you're like, ah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you're spot on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Like they're just like I don't know, sorry
Speaker 3: about it. I don't want to say, oh, say true.
Speaker 1: And poor a Nissa keeps catching all these strays, and
Speaker 1: Niece's like I'm a beat drill up, like like yeah,
Speaker 1: poor Nissa keeps catching all these trays. You're but that
Speaker 1: is a very accurate assessment. Avery so good. You're so
Speaker 1: good at the political side. I mean you're good at
Speaker 1: the physical side too, because we saw this was literally
Speaker 1: so iconic, but you're also so great at thinking all
Speaker 1: the strategies and the strategics and all that. It's just
Speaker 1: one of the many things that we love about you.
Speaker 1: For the people that are now obsessed with you after
Speaker 1: watching this epic episode, like you should have a version
Speaker 1: of recording of it, and you should put it in
Speaker 1: one of those digital frames, just your elimination part, and
Speaker 1: you should just let it play over and over again
Speaker 1: in your house, like put it, put it up on
Speaker 1: the wall so that you could see it, because it
Speaker 1: was just so brilliantly done. How you stuck by your guns,
Speaker 1: were loyal to your word, and then kicked button elimination
Speaker 1: for those who want to follow you on social media
Speaker 1: because they're obsessed with you, Now where can they find you.
Speaker 3: I'm just pretty basic. So my name is Avery Trestler
Speaker 3: and it's on Instagram or TikTok or I think like
Speaker 3: even in Facebook, I'm just a underscore. Trust Like, I'm
Speaker 3: pretty pretty easy to follow, so I like it.
Speaker 1: You may be easy to follow, but you are not basic,
Speaker 1: and we saw that in this week's episode. Avery. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are so happy you came to visit us on
Speaker 1: the podcast. You are hilarious and so talented and we
Speaker 1: can't wait to see how you progress and navigate in
Speaker 1: this game. It is averytime, not.
Speaker 3: Not Tony time. Tony time is up. I am so
Speaker 3: dumb with that motherfucker. I'm so sick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for coming to hang out with him.
Speaker 3: It has been a really good ef. Yeah. No, thank
Speaker 3: you guys so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Such a good episode. I'm so glad our girl Avery came.
Speaker 4: So let's talk with us about her legend episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one is going to go down in the books. Devin,
Speaker 2: tell the people where they can find you on the
Speaker 2: social of the medias.
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. On the social of the media's you can
Speaker 1: find me at devinsmone dot com. It's an easy way
Speaker 1: to find me. If you're single, I can match you,
Speaker 1: so let me know. Go just see the matching ben.
Speaker 1: You can also find me on Instagram, TikTok now I know,
Speaker 1: same thing, Devin Simone, and Snapchat. Just look for the
Speaker 1: barfid account on all of them. Or of course you
Speaker 1: can tweet me and then We're having my dog Brooklyn's
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen birthday party this week on Just Between Us
Speaker 1: Live on Amazon. It's the show executive producing co hosts,
Speaker 1: so definitely check that out. If you're a real world
Speaker 1: Brooklyn fan, then you will remember him sixteen years ago,
Speaker 1: so I can't believe he's still kicking today. Where can
Speaker 1: the people find you, especially now that you're back and
Speaker 1: engage you on social media even though you never respond
Speaker 1: to the post. When I see see you, don't think
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I'm talking about Twitter specifically, I
Speaker 1: see that you don't respond. Go ahaid, You're back in
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Speaker 2: But you can find me at Brooklyn's birthday party because
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