WEBVTT - Episode 6: The Silent Partner

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin previously on deep cover. During the late spring of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, FBI agent Ned Timmins was deep undercover

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cayman Islands. His goal was to spy on

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Rich, the kingpin of the drug syndicate. As he

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<v Speaker 1>got closer to Lee and deeper into this world, he

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<v Speaker 1>became increasingly worried. The stress is unbelievable. There's no backup.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna really hit the radio and call nine

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<v Speaker 1>on one. You're nine. You're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>call for help because nobody's coming. Meanwhile, Lee had problems

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<v Speaker 1>of his own. He worried that the FEDS were watching him,

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<v Speaker 1>and to complicate matters, he says, his go to bank

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<v Speaker 1>in the Caymans was no longer accepting his money for

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<v Speaker 1>Ned Timmins. Being undercover and the Caymans meant hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with Lee Rich's guys. He'd chill out on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>or at the club and listen for clues. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>usually was given something to do, you know, oversee the barbecues,

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<v Speaker 1>or make sure there was no trouble at the bar

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<v Speaker 1>with any of the guests. Not exactly the stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>Sherlock Holmes, but ned couldn't ask questions really because that

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<v Speaker 1>would draw suspicions give him away as a narc. So

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<v Speaker 1>he just kept on listening. And then one day Lee

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<v Speaker 1>made a cryptic reference to someone apparently in the organization

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<v Speaker 1>called the general, and I just okay, not knowing general

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<v Speaker 1>of what or general who or whatever, and does your

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing is don't ask questions exactly. You start asking

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<v Speaker 1>questions and people get suspicious. But what's your react action

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<v Speaker 1>to that? Oh? Actually, in the middle of this, they

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<v Speaker 1>realized that I had never been to Advanced Undercover School

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<v Speaker 1>at Quantico, which is two week school. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>orders and they go, oh, you haven't been to Advanced

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<v Speaker 1>undercover school. You got to go to that. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like this was the equivalent of a fireman getting called

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<v Speaker 1>out of a burning building to take a refresher class

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<v Speaker 1>on how to use a hose. But this was part

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<v Speaker 1>of a relatively new effort by the FBI to rain

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<v Speaker 1>in and standardize it's undercover practices. So I had to

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<v Speaker 1>make up a story to Lee. I can't remember whether

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<v Speaker 1>made up something that I had to go someplace or

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks. So I go back to Quantico and go

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<v Speaker 1>through Advanced undercover school. You know that's the rules. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you learn an advanced undercover school? I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what to do and what not to do

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever. So not especially interested in his class work,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems, and perhaps that's because his thoughts were still

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<v Speaker 1>back in the Caymans. That comment about the General he

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<v Speaker 1>got him thinking. Was this just some stupid nickname or

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<v Speaker 1>was Lee talking about an actual general? Was it possible

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<v Speaker 1>that there was someone above Lee. That's just the mindset

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<v Speaker 1>of the FBI. We're going to work this up right

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<v Speaker 1>to the top, just like the mafia. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go after the dis We're going to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the food chain and crime. Our objective is

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<v Speaker 1>to work up and kill the head of the snake.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jake Halpern and this is Deep Cover Episode six.

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<v Speaker 1>The silent partner. Ned didn't know it at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but the general that Lee was talking about, and the

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<v Speaker 1>revelation of who he really was would change everything in

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<v Speaker 1>this investigation. And the story of the General really begins

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<v Speaker 1>about two years earlier. So we're going to turn back

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<v Speaker 1>the clock to September of nineteen eighty three. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Ned is still hanging out in biker bars in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Rich, mister beach Club if you will, is still

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<v Speaker 1>living the high life in the Caymans, and Stephen Kaylish,

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<v Speaker 1>the gentleman smuggler, has not yet been arrested. Everything's going

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<v Speaker 1>great for these guys except for one thing, their money laundering.

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<v Speaker 1>Le's go to bank in the Caymans, the Bank of

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<v Speaker 1>Nova Scotia wasn't an option, So now Lee and Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for somewhere else to launder their money. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, Stephen says, they were trying to move a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of small bills about fifteen million dollars worth.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to give you a sense of how much cash

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<v Speaker 1>that was, it weigh about sixteen hundred pounds, so a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. And now they had nowhere to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lee and Stephen they start thinking about where else

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<v Speaker 1>they could take their money and bank it well. The

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<v Speaker 1>other only other solid banking haven that I knew was

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<v Speaker 1>secure was Panama. In the early nineteen seventies, Panama more

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<v Speaker 1>or less deregulated banking, very little oversight now taxes on

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<v Speaker 1>foreign income, and by the time Stephen and Lee were

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<v Speaker 1>in their bind, lots of new banks had opened their

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<v Speaker 1>doors in Panama, which was enticing. Plus, Stephen liked Panama.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't a book report in the third grade about

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<v Speaker 1>the Panama Canal, so it had always held a special

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<v Speaker 1>place of my art. Stephen's summary of its history in

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<v Speaker 1>his third grade book report, it's basically right, the building

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<v Speaker 1>of the canal and the failures of the French I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole way. Panama was actually became a country, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stolen from Columbia, basically by the US. When Panama broke

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<v Speaker 1>away from Columbia in nineteen oh three, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>lent its support. Then the US signed a treaty with

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<v Speaker 1>Panama and took control of a zone about ten miles

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<v Speaker 1>wide and fifty miles long. There was a canal there,

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<v Speaker 1>or the start of one. Anyhow, the US completed it

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<v Speaker 1>and then stuck around to control that canal and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cash in on it. So anyway, Panama had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of allure in Look, I've always been a risk taker, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and a guy with a good rolodex. Stephen eventually connects

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<v Speaker 1>with a guy named Caesar Rodriguez. He was a businessman

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<v Speaker 1>done in Panama with connections to the banking world. A

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<v Speaker 1>guy who could make things happen. So Stephen plans a visit.

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<v Speaker 1>He packs for the trip, you know, the usual change

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<v Speaker 1>of clothes and about three million in cash stuffed into

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<v Speaker 1>some luggage. Then he flies down to Panama in a

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<v Speaker 1>private jet. He lands at the airport in Panama and

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<v Speaker 1>his contact, Caesar, is there to greet him in person.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a young guy, good looking, very friendly, speaks perfect English,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has not one but two stretch limos waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for them. They all head downtown to the Bank of

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<v Speaker 1>Boston building where Caesar operated a club and a big,

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<v Speaker 1>sprawling penthouse. I mean it's very posh, it's very tricked out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a small little nightclub or restaurant, and Caesar tells Stephen,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a private club here but for Hali businessmen

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<v Speaker 1>and certain military officials that come here for dining and

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<v Speaker 1>drinking and parting in a discreet environment. Later that night

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<v Speaker 1>they sit down and have a meal. They're joined by

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<v Speaker 1>another guy named Enrique Protelt. Casar introduces Enrique as his partner,

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<v Speaker 1>and then very casually, Caesar starts to explain what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>he and Enrique do down here in Panama. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to running the club, their financiers. Basically, they loan out money.

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<v Speaker 1>And they explain to me that they're Bank of Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Penalves and all their operations going on to Panama. We're

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<v Speaker 1>all run through their shell company that was owned by

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<v Speaker 1>three people. Enrique saysar in a silent third partner, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said really, I said okay, And they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to do in Panama? It's a

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<v Speaker 1>loaded question. Stephen is still not one hundred percent sure

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<v Speaker 1>whether he can really trust these guys. All I tell

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<v Speaker 1>him is I have millions of dollars I need to

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<v Speaker 1>bank in Panama, and I need to fly it in

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<v Speaker 1>from the US, and I need security at the airport

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<v Speaker 1>and secure banks. Caesar died in the eighties, so I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't interview him, but according to Stephen, Caesar was very accommodating.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells Stephen, yes, we can definitely help you with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and to prove it, they take him to the Bank

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<v Speaker 1>of Credit and Commerce International, well known then as BCCI

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<v Speaker 1>to make the necessary introductions. Stephen wheels in his cash

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<v Speaker 1>and makes his deposits and there's no fee, no commission

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<v Speaker 1>or anything, just thank you for your business. Afterwards, they

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing for him at another bank. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all going splendidly so far. The question is what does

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<v Speaker 1>Caesar and Enrique want from him? And the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>back at the Penthouse Club, Caesar makes his pitch. He

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<v Speaker 1>says he has a business that loans money to the

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<v Speaker 1>Panama Defense Forces. In fact, the military needs financing for

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<v Speaker 1>equipment a two point two million dollars helicopter, it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe Stephen could front the money if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make three hundred thousand dollars for setting up

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<v Speaker 1>the financing, and then you can make ten percent interests

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<v Speaker 1>annually own that financing, and it'll be backed up by

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<v Speaker 1>a letter of credit from the Panamanian Defense Forces. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well that sounds good. You're basically loan sharking

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<v Speaker 1>money to the Panamanian military pretty much. They go on

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<v Speaker 1>to offer Stephen a twenty five percent stake in their business,

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<v Speaker 1>which includes the club and the loan sharking business. Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>pauses a beat and then asks, I go, okay, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the buy in? And they go four in a grand

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<v Speaker 1>and I go okay, well, what's four in a grand

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<v Speaker 1>buy me? They go, well, there's only one catch. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to meet our partner, and I go, well, who's

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<v Speaker 1>your ark And they go, oh, it's General Noriega. And

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<v Speaker 1>I go, okay, well who is General Noriega? And they

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<v Speaker 1>both look at each other like I'm stupid, and I go, look, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, excuse me. I don't know how things work here,

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<v Speaker 1>so you got to explain it to me. So they explain.

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<v Speaker 1>Noriega is the strong man who currently controls Panama, and

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<v Speaker 1>his story it goes like this. Manuel Noriega was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Panama City in nineteen thirty four. Abandoned by his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>he was raised by a woman called Mama Luisa, who

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<v Speaker 1>we referred to as his godmother. He was a smart kid,

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<v Speaker 1>gets into a really prestigious high school. But he's not

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<v Speaker 1>just smart. He's an operator. As a teenager, he joins

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<v Speaker 1>Panama's socialist youth party, goes to protests, and writes articles

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<v Speaker 1>criticizing Uncle Sam. Noriega goes onto a military academy in Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>He returns and joins the National Guard. He then rises

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<v Speaker 1>through the ranks, eventually becoming a general, and once he's

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<v Speaker 1>at the top, he maintains power brutally. All this time,

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<v Speaker 1>he's developing a close relationship with the CIA. He quietly

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<v Speaker 1>supports the Contras, a right wing military group in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 1>He helps the d EA and the drug wars. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also close with Fidale Castro in Cuba. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who plays all sides and all the while he

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<v Speaker 1>lines his own pockets and little business deals with the

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<v Speaker 1>likes of Caesar and Enrique. And at the club and

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<v Speaker 1>the penthouse overlooking Panama City, Caesar and Enrique tell Stephen,

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<v Speaker 1>you two can be part of our little partnership, but

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta meet Noriega first. And he's got a site

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<v Speaker 1>off only being part of the company. So I said, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go met Noriega. So Caesa says, well, he might

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<v Speaker 1>take him our present, and I go, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean take him at present? He goes, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a sign of respect and a sign that you're

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<v Speaker 1>serious about learning the stay in Panama and dupists in Panama,

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<v Speaker 1>you might want to give him something of value. So

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<v Speaker 1>he stuffs three hundred thousand dollars in a briefcase and

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<v Speaker 1>heads over to Noriega's house. This would be just a

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred thousand dollars gift, separate from the four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>K he'd already put in. It was like well a sweetener.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen hoped that it would do the trick. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back after the break, Stephen meets the general. So

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Kayleish, the gentleman smuggler, you know, the hippie kid

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<v Speaker 1>from Texas. He gets a ride over to General Manuel

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<v Speaker 1>Noriega's house with his briefcase filled with cash. Ah. We's

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<v Speaker 1>got high walls with ivory growing in, lots of military

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<v Speaker 1>personnel walking patrolling the area. It's a beautiful home. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>escorted in his office and I sit down and I

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<v Speaker 1>set the briefcase down next to his desk. Noriega is

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in his military uniform. His most unusual feature is

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<v Speaker 1>the skin on his face, which is badly pockmarked. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people even called him a pineapple face, but always behind

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<v Speaker 1>his back, never ever to his face. To Stephen, he's

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<v Speaker 1>very friendly. They start chatting small talk, and eventually Noriega

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<v Speaker 1>asked him why he's in Panama, and Stephen kind of

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<v Speaker 1>boldly says, he's looking for a new home, place that

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<v Speaker 1>I can live in peace and quiet out I under

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<v Speaker 1>the prying eyes at the US cover month, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I earn a lot of money, not interested in baying

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<v Speaker 1>US taxes, and I want to bank my money's in panamall.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Stephen, Riega quickly tells him not to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>He would personally look after Steven's needs and that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it. Stephen says, thank you, and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>up to leave without the briefcase. Noriega, noticing this, calls

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<v Speaker 1>after him. I turned around and said, no, it's pot

0:15:39.716 --> 0:15:43.076
<v Speaker 1>a team, but I said it's for you, and he

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<v Speaker 1>goes looks at me, you know, pretty serious faith, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just smile. The gift goes over well. Stephen thought

0:15:56.516 --> 0:15:59.036
<v Speaker 1>he might make some money by joining this little partnership,

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<v Speaker 1>but he slowly realizes that what he'd really get was

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<v Speaker 1>an ally, a very powerful ally. Later on saysar it's

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<v Speaker 1>a call from Noriega. He wants Stephen to join them

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<v Speaker 1>at a private party that night at the offices of

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<v Speaker 1>the Panama Canal Company. We go to the offices, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, around six six thirty and it's like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Noriega's best friend. I mean, when I show up, he

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<v Speaker 1>gives me an open embrace with both arms and says

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm welcome in Panama. And he'll make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>everything goes away. I wanted to go. The party is

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<v Speaker 1>mainly military people, a dozen or so colonels, a few majors,

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<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of beautiful women. Lots to eat and drink.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a scene that Stephen very much enjoys. At some point,

0:16:55.916 --> 0:16:59.756
<v Speaker 1>Noriega offers to show him around. Noriega takes me to

0:16:59.876 --> 0:17:03.876
<v Speaker 1>his own office, and it's this beautiful office that overlooks

0:17:04.316 --> 0:17:10.076
<v Speaker 1>with picture windows overlooking the Panama Canal. Noriega goes back

0:17:10.076 --> 0:17:13.756
<v Speaker 1>to the party and closes the door to his office

0:17:13.796 --> 0:17:17.676
<v Speaker 1>and leads me sitting at his desk watching ships go

0:17:17.836 --> 0:17:21.396
<v Speaker 1>by in the Bantama Canal, thinking about that third grade

0:17:21.516 --> 0:17:26.716
<v Speaker 1>report I wrote, making out line to Cocaine no Noriega's

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<v Speaker 1>desk and storming the lines right, thinking okay, I think

0:17:32.996 --> 0:17:40.556
<v Speaker 1>Panama is going to work out just fine. And it did.

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<v Speaker 1>Steven soon returned to Panama with another couple million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and per Noriega's instructions, landed at his air Force base

0:17:48.636 --> 0:17:52.196
<v Speaker 1>and there was no customs, there was no immigration, there

0:17:52.276 --> 0:17:55.836
<v Speaker 1>was no inspection of anything. Our jet taxied over to

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<v Speaker 1>the air Force base and every day had literally climbed

0:17:59.916 --> 0:18:03.356
<v Speaker 1>out of the plane into the limousine they'd off Were

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<v Speaker 1>you with? In time, Stephen manages to get multiple Panamanian passports,

0:18:08.356 --> 0:18:12.716
<v Speaker 1>including a diplomatic passport. It was a money launderer's dream,

0:18:13.116 --> 0:18:16.316
<v Speaker 1>especially for Stephen, who was still a fugitive for his

0:18:16.556 --> 0:18:19.596
<v Speaker 1>entire adult life. Stephen Kayliss had been running from and

0:18:19.676 --> 0:18:23.036
<v Speaker 1>evading the law, and now he was protected by a

0:18:23.076 --> 0:18:28.476
<v Speaker 1>man who was seemingly above the law. Stephen was untouchable.

0:18:29.316 --> 0:18:33.596
<v Speaker 1>For me, it was not enough. I mean I wanted more, because,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, the evolution from having money becomes having power,

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<v Speaker 1>and Panama was an opportunity to have power, real power.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked myself what it would take, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's it going to take for Noriega to really to

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<v Speaker 1>trust me and for me to solidify this relationship. So

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<v Speaker 1>next Stephen makes it his goal to get closer to

0:19:00.796 --> 0:19:05.396
<v Speaker 1>Noriega literally, or I want to find home, you know,

0:19:05.476 --> 0:19:10.436
<v Speaker 1>in close proximity, you know, and close proximity to what

0:19:10.676 --> 0:19:12.596
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Are you actively thinking I want to become

0:19:12.636 --> 0:19:17.076
<v Speaker 1>Noriega's neighbor, Well, I want to live in the same area. Yeah,

0:19:17.116 --> 0:19:19.996
<v Speaker 1>And he does it. Within months of their first meeting.

0:19:20.116 --> 0:19:23.596
<v Speaker 1>Stephen finds a house just three blocks away from Noriega,

0:19:23.636 --> 0:19:27.436
<v Speaker 1>and the relationship just grows from there. Stephen introduces him

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<v Speaker 1>to women, wrangles an invitation to Noriega's ranch, even gets

0:19:31.596 --> 0:19:34.276
<v Speaker 1>the general to stations soldiers outside of his house to

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<v Speaker 1>stand guard, And when Noriega gets invited to Washington, DC

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<v Speaker 1>in November of nineteen eighty three for an official visit,

0:19:42.236 --> 0:19:45.356
<v Speaker 1>Stephen loans him his personal jet to use while he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. On this visit, he met with a

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<v Speaker 1>host of top level US officials, including the Secretary of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>He also met with William Casey, the director of the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>Noriega described their meeting as a leisurely four hour lunch.

0:20:03.756 --> 0:20:06.516
<v Speaker 1>In his memoir, he wrote, I had been the US

0:20:06.596 --> 0:20:09.916
<v Speaker 1>contact person throughout the nineteen seventies. I was well known

0:20:09.956 --> 0:20:13.596
<v Speaker 1>to everyone in the CIA. Now with Casey, the relations

0:20:13.636 --> 0:20:17.836
<v Speaker 1>would become tighter. After his time in DC, Noriega took

0:20:17.836 --> 0:20:21.196
<v Speaker 1>Stephen's jet to Las Vegas, where he shopped, drank, and

0:20:21.276 --> 0:20:26.076
<v Speaker 1>played Roulette. Then we came back to panamall well. He

0:20:26.156 --> 0:20:29.876
<v Speaker 1>insisted that ip it is receiving line when he was

0:20:30.236 --> 0:20:34.436
<v Speaker 1>returning to panamall right, so I'm waiting in line as

0:20:34.436 --> 0:20:38.276
<v Speaker 1>he getting off of my jap. Stephen says that Noriega

0:20:38.356 --> 0:20:41.076
<v Speaker 1>makes his way down the receiving line and then stops.

0:20:41.076 --> 0:20:43.836
<v Speaker 1>When he gets to Stephen. They have a quick chat.

0:20:44.196 --> 0:20:47.436
<v Speaker 1>Noriega says, the US wants him to do two things.

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<v Speaker 1>One keep helping the Contras, that right wing militia in Nicaragua,

0:20:52.396 --> 0:20:56.076
<v Speaker 1>and two open up the banks in Panama for inspection.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen was hanging on Noriega's every word. Inspections would mean

0:21:01.356 --> 0:21:05.116
<v Speaker 1>trouble for him, but Noriega puts his fears to rest.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, I don't remind help him with a contras.

0:21:09.476 --> 0:21:14.356
<v Speaker 1>I'd never opened the banks. Stephen let that sink in.

0:21:14.956 --> 0:21:17.796
<v Speaker 1>The top power brokers in the US wanted to clean

0:21:17.876 --> 0:21:21.996
<v Speaker 1>up Panama's banking sector, which would ruin Stephen's money laundering scheme,

0:21:22.316 --> 0:21:27.116
<v Speaker 1>and Noriega says he rebuffed them, told them no. This

0:21:27.236 --> 0:21:30.956
<v Speaker 1>is all according to Stephen. In Noriega's memoir, he doesn't

0:21:30.956 --> 0:21:34.396
<v Speaker 1>mention meeting Kaylish, making this deal, or using his plane,

0:21:34.836 --> 0:21:37.356
<v Speaker 1>But then again, why would he. This is not the

0:21:37.436 --> 0:21:40.636
<v Speaker 1>kind of relationship you want to advertise. In any case,

0:21:40.956 --> 0:21:46.436
<v Speaker 1>Stephen was pleased. I'm thinking this is what power looks like.

0:21:46.876 --> 0:21:50.396
<v Speaker 1>I've never felt safe in my life. I have this

0:21:51.036 --> 0:21:55.556
<v Speaker 1>great home, I have great staff, I got military guards

0:21:55.556 --> 0:21:59.996
<v Speaker 1>outside my house. You know, I feel pretty untouchable at

0:22:00.036 --> 0:22:04.236
<v Speaker 1>the moment. Stephen soon began planning a four hundred thousand

0:22:04.236 --> 0:22:07.956
<v Speaker 1>pound load destined for New York City, disguised as a

0:22:07.996 --> 0:22:13.076
<v Speaker 1>shipment of plantation hanes from Panama. So it's full steam ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>As a token of his gratitude, Stephen started lavishing Noriega

0:22:17.876 --> 0:22:20.676
<v Speaker 1>with gifts. But what exactly do you buy for the

0:22:20.676 --> 0:22:24.276
<v Speaker 1>dictator who's got everything? Stephen starts by giving him two

0:22:24.476 --> 0:22:29.076
<v Speaker 1>gold plated rifles and some ivory handled pistols collector's pieces

0:22:29.156 --> 0:22:32.996
<v Speaker 1>worth in total about thirty thousand dollars. But he was

0:22:33.116 --> 0:22:38.956
<v Speaker 1>just getting started. I bought Noriega a presidential plane. I

0:22:39.036 --> 0:22:41.876
<v Speaker 1>actually paid the millions of dollars for it and got

0:22:41.916 --> 0:22:44.556
<v Speaker 1>a letter of credit from the Panamanian government for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to be clear here, what Stephen really did was

0:22:48.156 --> 0:22:52.436
<v Speaker 1>provide the financing. Nonetheless, it was a grand gesture, and

0:22:52.556 --> 0:22:56.436
<v Speaker 1>naturally he had an ulterior motive. Stephen just wanted a

0:22:56.516 --> 0:23:00.436
<v Speaker 1>small favor to occasionally have his plane fly to Washington,

0:23:00.476 --> 0:23:02.996
<v Speaker 1>d C. Where Steven's guys would load it up with

0:23:03.036 --> 0:23:06.596
<v Speaker 1>some trunks of drug money marked with diplomatic seals. The

0:23:06.716 --> 0:23:09.756
<v Speaker 1>seals would mean no one could open them. In return,

0:23:09.996 --> 0:23:13.956
<v Speaker 1>Noriega would get a cut. According to Stephen, Noriega agreed.

0:23:18.196 --> 0:23:20.836
<v Speaker 1>At this point. You may be wondering what happened to

0:23:20.956 --> 0:23:25.236
<v Speaker 1>Lee Rich mister beach club. Wasn't he the guy in charge.

0:23:25.876 --> 0:23:28.596
<v Speaker 1>He did make at least one trip to Panama with Stephen,

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<v Speaker 1>But this whole Panama thing, it was Steven's baby, and

0:23:32.916 --> 0:23:37.076
<v Speaker 1>once Stephen was buddy buddy with Noriega, everything began to change.

0:23:37.516 --> 0:23:41.716
<v Speaker 1>Stephen was now handling the smuggling and the financing. Lee

0:23:41.836 --> 0:23:45.076
<v Speaker 1>wasn't entirely comfortable with this arrangement, but there wasn't a

0:23:45.076 --> 0:23:47.876
<v Speaker 1>lot he could do about it. They needed Noriega now.

0:23:48.876 --> 0:23:51.956
<v Speaker 1>As for Stephen, who'd been a fugitive for years, he

0:23:52.156 --> 0:23:55.356
<v Speaker 1>finally felt like you could breathe a bit easier. He

0:23:55.436 --> 0:23:58.156
<v Speaker 1>didn't need the Canons or the US for that matter.

0:23:58.516 --> 0:24:02.596
<v Speaker 1>He could just chill in Panama. But he was still

0:24:02.676 --> 0:24:06.796
<v Speaker 1>handling the logistics for his massive op America's heartland. There

0:24:06.796 --> 0:24:08.876
<v Speaker 1>were a few things he still had to do, like

0:24:09.156 --> 0:24:13.036
<v Speaker 1>closing down his safe house in Tampa, so he returned stateside,

0:24:13.316 --> 0:24:16.276
<v Speaker 1>and that's when the FEDS nabbed him. This was the

0:24:16.276 --> 0:24:18.676
<v Speaker 1>big arrest at the airport in Tampa that we told

0:24:18.676 --> 0:24:23.156
<v Speaker 1>you about an episode four. So when I finally did

0:24:23.156 --> 0:24:26.996
<v Speaker 1>get arrested, I figured, well, maybe I'll figure this out somehow.

0:24:27.036 --> 0:24:30.596
<v Speaker 1>And I had millions of dollars stashed in panamall and

0:24:32.276 --> 0:24:36.516
<v Speaker 1>so they was from that day four. Then I started

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<v Speaker 1>working on a way how to get up get myself

0:24:38.836 --> 0:24:44.196
<v Speaker 1>out of my problem. Meanwhile, back on the Cayman Islands,

0:24:44.436 --> 0:24:47.236
<v Speaker 1>Lee Rich Mister Beach Club was left to clean up

0:24:47.236 --> 0:24:50.316
<v Speaker 1>the mess. He now had to juggle it all, smuggling,

0:24:50.436 --> 0:24:52.796
<v Speaker 1>money laundering and just trying to stay out of jail

0:24:53.876 --> 0:24:57.996
<v Speaker 1>all the while Ned was just one step behind him.

0:24:58.076 --> 0:25:01.276
<v Speaker 1>When we come back, Ned starts to connect the dots,

0:25:01.836 --> 0:25:20.636
<v Speaker 1>and so does the CIA. It takes Ned a little

0:25:20.636 --> 0:25:23.916
<v Speaker 1>while to piece it all together because at first, when

0:25:23.996 --> 0:25:26.956
<v Speaker 1>Lee mentioned the general down and came in, Ned was

0:25:26.996 --> 0:25:30.036
<v Speaker 1>just confused. I had no idea if that's talking about

0:25:30.076 --> 0:25:35.036
<v Speaker 1>Columbia or or you know who where. But then Ned

0:25:35.036 --> 0:25:38.796
<v Speaker 1>recalled another clue that Lee had dropped a couple days later.

0:25:39.476 --> 0:25:42.996
<v Speaker 1>He referred to him as old pineapple face. Pineapple face,

0:25:43.516 --> 0:25:47.276
<v Speaker 1>that's what did it. Eventually Ned realizes who this must be.

0:25:48.076 --> 0:25:51.676
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know all the details or politics surrounding Noriega,

0:25:51.836 --> 0:25:57.436
<v Speaker 1>but he knew enough. Noriega was the CIA's boy into

0:25:57.476 --> 0:26:02.916
<v Speaker 1>Castro and into the Russians big boys club. Okay. Ned

0:26:02.956 --> 0:26:05.876
<v Speaker 1>worried that his discovery would stir up trouble in a

0:26:05.956 --> 0:26:11.516
<v Speaker 1>big way. And the CIA, in my mind, really didn't

0:26:11.556 --> 0:26:14.556
<v Speaker 1>give a shit about drugs or what was going on.

0:26:14.596 --> 0:26:20.156
<v Speaker 1>They're focused on their mission, which was intelligence and the

0:26:20.236 --> 0:26:25.196
<v Speaker 1>big picture. By exposing Noriega as a bad guy, Ned

0:26:25.236 --> 0:26:28.516
<v Speaker 1>would be interfering with the CIA's mission, and that's not

0:26:28.636 --> 0:26:32.356
<v Speaker 1>something Ned wanted to do. He was already pretty worn out. Remember,

0:26:32.516 --> 0:26:35.196
<v Speaker 1>he had just returned home from a stressful time down

0:26:35.196 --> 0:26:38.716
<v Speaker 1>in the Caymans, and now he had a new potential enemy,

0:26:39.116 --> 0:26:43.076
<v Speaker 1>the CIA. He began imagining how this all might play out.

0:26:43.796 --> 0:26:48.756
<v Speaker 1>CIA always has contract people that worked for them. They'll

0:26:48.836 --> 0:26:53.476
<v Speaker 1>kill you, and I didn't trust them. I was constantly

0:26:54.276 --> 0:26:59.636
<v Speaker 1>leary of them. A bit paranoid maybe, but his worries

0:26:59.636 --> 0:27:03.636
<v Speaker 1>about pissing off the CIA were well founded. Over the years,

0:27:03.756 --> 0:27:06.716
<v Speaker 1>Noriega had worked hard to cultivate an image as an

0:27:06.756 --> 0:27:10.316
<v Speaker 1>ally in the US War on drugs. These efforts got

0:27:10.356 --> 0:27:13.596
<v Speaker 1>him friends in Washington. Noriega had a whole stack of

0:27:13.676 --> 0:27:17.036
<v Speaker 1>letters from his US admirers, like one from the U. S.

0:27:17.076 --> 0:27:21.076
<v Speaker 1>Attorney General written in nineteen eighty four, which said, thank

0:27:21.116 --> 0:27:24.356
<v Speaker 1>you for your continued support and our mutual efforts to

0:27:24.396 --> 0:27:28.196
<v Speaker 1>suppress illicit drug trafficking and to ensure a safer and

0:27:28.396 --> 0:27:33.516
<v Speaker 1>healthier environment for all of our citizens. So if this

0:27:33.556 --> 0:27:36.956
<v Speaker 1>got out that Noriega was in fact at the very

0:27:37.076 --> 0:27:41.036
<v Speaker 1>top of this massive drug smuggling operation, well that'd be

0:27:41.116 --> 0:27:45.636
<v Speaker 1>a huge embarrassment to the American government at large. The

0:27:45.796 --> 0:27:50.676
<v Speaker 1>CIA did eventually get wind of Ned's investigation. At some

0:27:50.756 --> 0:27:54.756
<v Speaker 1>point they contacted another FBI agent who worked closely with NED.

0:27:55.236 --> 0:27:58.556
<v Speaker 1>I spoke with this agent. He's now retired, but still,

0:27:58.796 --> 0:28:01.036
<v Speaker 1>even all these years later, he didn't want to go

0:28:01.076 --> 0:28:04.436
<v Speaker 1>on the record. He told me that two CIA agents

0:28:04.476 --> 0:28:08.396
<v Speaker 1>invited him to lunch and then very casually started asking

0:28:08.436 --> 0:28:12.596
<v Speaker 1>him questions. It's about Noriega. He understood immediately what was

0:28:12.636 --> 0:28:16.316
<v Speaker 1>going on. They wanted to suss out what the FBI

0:28:16.476 --> 0:28:20.596
<v Speaker 1>knew about Noriega. They were apparently concerned because he was

0:28:20.636 --> 0:28:23.956
<v Speaker 1>their asset. The agent told me he managed to brush

0:28:23.956 --> 0:28:28.476
<v Speaker 1>off the CIA guys. But soon enough all of this

0:28:28.556 --> 0:28:37.356
<v Speaker 1>would come to a head. After two stints down in

0:28:37.436 --> 0:28:40.596
<v Speaker 1>the Canens, Ned eventually goes back home to Detroit to

0:28:40.676 --> 0:28:43.956
<v Speaker 1>his wife, Kathy Timmins. He was beat. At this point.

0:28:43.996 --> 0:28:46.436
<v Speaker 1>He'd been working on the case for about three years.

0:28:47.076 --> 0:28:49.996
<v Speaker 1>During that time, he'd been living as two people, Ed

0:28:50.436 --> 0:28:54.916
<v Speaker 1>and Ned, switching back and forth again and again until

0:28:55.156 --> 0:28:57.916
<v Speaker 1>even in his own mind, it all kind of got jumbled.

0:28:58.756 --> 0:29:02.076
<v Speaker 1>Cathy said. Ned sometimes confided in her that he felt

0:29:02.196 --> 0:29:05.716
<v Speaker 1>trapped stuck in the role of undercover agent, but that

0:29:05.796 --> 0:29:09.316
<v Speaker 1>he also couldn't imagine returning the life of a regular agent.

0:29:09.996 --> 0:29:11.876
<v Speaker 1>And he said, you know, I just I can't go back.

0:29:11.916 --> 0:29:13.796
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I can go back to just you know,

0:29:13.796 --> 0:29:16.516
<v Speaker 1>working cases in this man. I said, of course you can,

0:29:16.876 --> 0:29:18.756
<v Speaker 1>and He's like, no, I don't think I can. And

0:29:18.916 --> 0:29:20.756
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was looking at these pizza places. I

0:29:20.796 --> 0:29:22.996
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't want to run pizza places. I'm

0:29:23.036 --> 0:29:27.156
<v Speaker 1>an FBI agent, you know. Cathy says. Ned actually drove

0:29:27.196 --> 0:29:29.236
<v Speaker 1>them over to a pizza parlor that he had his

0:29:29.276 --> 0:29:31.796
<v Speaker 1>eyes on. He pulled into the parking lot and I

0:29:32.076 --> 0:29:33.436
<v Speaker 1>mean I never even got out of the car, I

0:29:33.476 --> 0:29:37.276
<v Speaker 1>said Ned. I'm not going to going to the pizza

0:29:37.356 --> 0:29:42.236
<v Speaker 1>business like stop. Strangely, when I mentioned all of this

0:29:42.316 --> 0:29:45.276
<v Speaker 1>to Ned, the plan to open the pizza shop, the

0:29:45.356 --> 0:29:49.316
<v Speaker 1>conversation with Kathy, his desire to get out, he didn't

0:29:49.316 --> 0:29:53.156
<v Speaker 1>remember it, any of it. I have no recollection of

0:29:53.156 --> 0:29:58.116
<v Speaker 1>a pizzeria or any interest in a pizzeria. I have

0:29:58.156 --> 0:30:03.036
<v Speaker 1>no idea you have no memory of that. No, Ned

0:30:03.076 --> 0:30:06.596
<v Speaker 1>did acknowledge that he knew Kathy felt frustrated and concerned

0:30:06.676 --> 0:30:10.676
<v Speaker 1>that his undercover life was getting out of control. Role Kathleen,

0:30:10.756 --> 0:30:14.396
<v Speaker 1>may you know, I mean, she's very smart, and she's

0:30:14.556 --> 0:30:17.916
<v Speaker 1>very credible. You know, he has been. And if that's

0:30:17.916 --> 0:30:22.076
<v Speaker 1>what she remembers, that's what she remembers. And that's pretty

0:30:22.116 --> 0:30:24.796
<v Speaker 1>much all I got from him. If what Kathy said

0:30:24.876 --> 0:30:27.756
<v Speaker 1>was true, then it was almost like he'd gone back

0:30:27.796 --> 0:30:31.596
<v Speaker 1>and edited his own memories, removed the moments of doubt

0:30:31.636 --> 0:30:35.556
<v Speaker 1>and frailty that didn't fit into the hard boiled detective narrative,

0:30:36.356 --> 0:30:39.436
<v Speaker 1>almost like he and the ghostwriter had done in the novel.

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<v Speaker 1>In many ways, Ned and Kathy seemed to exist in

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<v Speaker 1>two parallel but entirely separate realities, and perhaps the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>example of this involves an incident that occurred a few

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<v Speaker 1>months after Ned got back from the Caymans, when both

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives came to a screeching halt. For Kathy,

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<v Speaker 1>it all began at the firing range. She was there

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<v Speaker 1>doing some target practice when she heard an announcement. They

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<v Speaker 1>called out from the tower for me, you know, get

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<v Speaker 1>off the firing line, and they said, oh, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go with us, got to take you home.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, oh my god, what happened. Her colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>who came to get her, laid it all out that

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<v Speaker 1>Ned's undercover identity had been compromised, and that someone in

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<v Speaker 1>that motorcycle group had a meeting, and that they had

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<v Speaker 1>put a hit on Ned and they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>lure him to a location and give him a hot

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<v Speaker 1>shot of drugs and kill him, and that they also

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<v Speaker 1>knew where we lived. They escorted her home so she

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<v Speaker 1>could pick up some stuff. By the time I arrived home,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the swat team was all, you know, hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out around the house and inside the house, and Ned

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<v Speaker 1>was in there packing and then we just like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we packed up. We got in the car and we

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<v Speaker 1>started heading up north. So Ned and Cathy had to

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<v Speaker 1>be exfiltrated, whisked away immediately because they were in grave danger.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Kathy's reality. Now. I also talked to Ned

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened. What is going through your head as

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<v Speaker 1>they stand on your doorstep and say you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>leave your house. Well, I had him in and had

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<v Speaker 1>coffee with him. Ned listens to the agents and realizes

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<v Speaker 1>he has to flee his home. He said, okay, perfect

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<v Speaker 1>me and all my one of my best friends has

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<v Speaker 1>got to lodge in northern Michigan and the salmon fishing

0:32:48.516 --> 0:32:53.076
<v Speaker 1>is hot, and I'll go there. You seem pretty like

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<v Speaker 1>blase or kind of unruffled by this. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people have threatened to kill me, so it's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the turf. Eventually they get up to a little house

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<v Speaker 1>way up in northern Michigan. No one is around, and

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<v Speaker 1>all they can really do is hope the FBI finds

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<v Speaker 1>the biker guys who were out to kill Ned. They

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<v Speaker 1>just wait for the call, the call that tells them

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, we've got them. You can come home now.

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<v Speaker 1>As Kathy recalls it, the time up there was tense.

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<v Speaker 1>Ned's initial blase attitude apparently didn't last he's left just

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<v Speaker 1>to stew in his own thoughts because everything has finally stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>and in its absence, the anxiety just pours in like

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<v Speaker 1>a damn had broken. He was drinking just so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a nervous like not nervous like oh I'm scared,

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<v Speaker 1>nervous like I could see that. You know. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>getting enough sleep, he wasn't his nerves run ends. Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't certain what to do, and so I was always

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<v Speaker 1>wary of saying too much or pushing too much back

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't want anybody to know. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to his supervisor and say, you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>the whole kind of oversight, is this you know you

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<v Speaker 1>need to pull him in just for a second. Were

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<v Speaker 1>you not doing that out of a sense of loyalty

0:34:26.876 --> 0:34:29.396
<v Speaker 1>to him? What was what? Why not? Why didn't you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the supervisor and say, like, hey, well, because

0:34:32.836 --> 0:34:37.556
<v Speaker 1>he was my husband, Um, you know I loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept telling him you need to stop, just that

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<v Speaker 1>that this has got to stop, that all of this

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion into our personal lives has to stop. This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are up in northern Michigan for weeks on

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<v Speaker 1>end with nothing to do, waiting for phone calls. You

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<v Speaker 1>know this, This is not any kind of a life

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to lead, And this isn't what any

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<v Speaker 1>of us signed up for. Next time and deep Cover,

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<v Speaker 1>did I sit down, I have lunch or dinner with him? No? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I was aware of him. I was very

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<v Speaker 1>aware of him. I remember the day that that timms

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<v Speaker 1>I ever got involved with me. I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>never heard my name. Deep Cover is produced by Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and edited by Karen Shakerge. Our story editor is

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<v Speaker 1>Jack hit. Original music and our theme was composed by

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<v Speaker 1>Luis Gara and Flawn Williams is our engineer. Fact checking

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<v Speaker 1>by Amy Gaines. Mia Lobell is Pushkin's executive producer. Ned's

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<v Speaker 1>novel is read by Walton Goggins. Special thanks to Julia Barton,

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Industries. Special thanks also to Jeff Singer at Stowaway Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jake Albern