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Speaker 1: Hey guys, what U is up?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty as Charge Podcast, presented by the

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I the

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Speaker 2: host as always in joining me as my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, what's up? And how are you joining your Monday off?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's pretty nice.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. We've got a face melter of a

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Speaker 3: defensive breakdown coming up for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been watching draft prospects, so we've been watching

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Michigan defense because there's like, basically

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Speaker 2: their entire defense is draftable this year. But had to

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Speaker 2: get some real insight into the x's and o's here

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Speaker 2: about the Jesse Minter defense because we like, we were

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Speaker 2: excited about it, but you know, getting an expert on

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Speaker 2: here was definitely a high priority for us. So very

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Speaker 2: excited to be joined by Cody Alexander today, one of

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Speaker 2: the best in the business regarding defensive film. You know,

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Speaker 2: we always say, like check people out, but definitely definitely

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Speaker 2: check out Cody Alexander's work. Unmatched defensive content if you're

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Speaker 2: into defensive film and breakdowns and things like that. So

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Speaker 2: appreciate Cody so much for jumping on and we'll get

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Speaker 2: to that interview here in a second. First and foremost,

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Speaker 2: Tyler and I are fans of the team just like you,

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Speaker 2: guys are. The opinions that we express on this show

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Speaker 2: and every week on this show are just out there,

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Speaker 2: our opinions, and we're.

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Speaker 1: Very grateful to have this platform.

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Speaker 2: But the opinions that we shared do not always reflect

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Speaker 2: the opinions of the Charters organization themselves. So I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited about this episode. Hope you guys enjoy it. We'll

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Speaker 2: back on the other side. With that being said, here

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Speaker 2: is Cody Alexander. All Right, guys, very happy to be

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Speaker 2: joined now by mister Cody Alexander, one of the best

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Speaker 2: in the business and breaking down x's and o's. Tyler

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Speaker 2: and I have been retweeting his stuff NonStop about Jesse Minter,

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Speaker 2: so really excited to have his thoughts here about the

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Speaker 2: new Charters defense and the direction that that unit is

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Speaker 1: So Cody, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, doing great, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really excited about this charges fans. If you're

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Speaker 2: not following Cody, I strongly encourage you to go do that.

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Speaker 2: He is the host, like I mentioned earlier, the host

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Speaker 2: of the Art of X show. He's written six books

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Speaker 2: about defense. So this is this is a fun one.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this. We've done some film breakdowns

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Speaker 2: on the channel before. I'm excited to see how the

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Speaker 2: about this first and foremost, I think, Cody, we'll just

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Speaker 2: start in generalities here. Obviously, the Chargers hiring Jesse Minter.

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Speaker 2: You you did a few substacks about his defense in

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Speaker 1: The National Championship game.

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Speaker 2: In general, your reaction to him making the jump with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it. I would be very excited. I

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Speaker 4: I think what you've got with Mintor is somebody who

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Speaker 4: I'm excited. It makes sense. What he runs defensively is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're both we'll start with this similarities just

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Speaker 4: They that's something that they share in common. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a super key thing to point

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Speaker 2: Mintor ran this got this table from Gavino Borkez from

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Speaker 2: Chargers Wire Good front of the show, Jesse minter Ran

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Speaker 2: simulated pressure is at thirty six point four percent this

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Speaker 4: That the similar pressure stuff really comes down to who

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Speaker 4: I Mean, he was very blitz heavy on assing downs,

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Speaker 3: Coldy the to make this scheme work. And given what

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Speaker 4: How do you get to these things? You have to

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Speaker 4: They're they're building things on top of each other using

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Speaker 2: We didn't put this on the rundown with you, but

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Speaker 2: the Charters brought over a lot of assistance from Michigan,

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Speaker 4: Those guys just aren't coming down the pipe every single year.

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Speaker 4: punching through that B gap and we get our interior

435
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Speaker 4: defensive lineman on a nice little stunt. Because think about

436
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Speaker 4: it this way, you're constantly pushing vertical with your nose

437
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,439
Speaker 4: all the time. So the center kind of has this

438
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Speaker 4: idea that he has to get really shallow in his

439
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 4: drop or in his step to get to the zone

440
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 4: because we're getting a knock back here by the guard

441
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, boom, we cross face.

442
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Speaker 4: Now we've used a quick little j step side and

443
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Speaker 4: then we get vertical that center. Now look at how

444
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Speaker 4: flat he steps. You can see here how flat he steps,

445
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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, now we're on the other side.

446
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Speaker 4: And then we get a nice little stunt here to

447
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 4: the outside and essentially twenty five is just reading the

448
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 4: back and so this is a nice little look at

449
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 4: a begap pressure. So how can we translate this now

450
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Speaker 4: from what we see with Baltimore Here we have our

451
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Speaker 4: quarter quarter half, So this is a this is a

452
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Speaker 4: good look at where we're going to actually get the

453
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Speaker 4: cover two side to cup and we're going to get

454
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Speaker 4: the quarter side to the tied end so you don't

455
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Speaker 4: have to again. This is technically your passing strength because

456
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: you have the two receiver side. They can also run

457
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Speaker 4: this out of base. So I wanted to use this

458
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: because now we have a three to four base, so

459
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 4: this is our base defense. And so this is like

460
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Speaker 4: day one install as you go. As you go vertical,

461
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 4: you can see that here we are going to get

462
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: our cover two spacing over here, so we have our

463
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Speaker 4: wall two defender, we have our flat, and we have

464
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Speaker 4: our cap safety so he's high. But then you can

465
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Speaker 4: see over here we're building our box. You can actually

466
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Speaker 4: see the box and the way. If you want to

467
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Speaker 4: know this, I'll give you. I'll give this to you

468
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: if you want to know how you can tell like

469
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Speaker 4: a soft cover two versus quarters is you can watch

470
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Speaker 4: the corner. If the corner tries to stay on top

471
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Speaker 4: the entire time, then that's probably an indication that that

472
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Speaker 4: is going to be quarters. You can also see the

473
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Speaker 4: different levels of the safety. You have a down safety

474
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Speaker 4: and a high safety. The down safety is typically playing quarters.

475
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Speaker 4: An easy way to think of quarters as basically manned

476
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Speaker 4: with rules and here the corner is taking all of

477
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 4: anything deep and anything out right, and then our safety

478
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 4: is taking anything vertical off of this, and the linebackers

479
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 4: are just working in tandem together. So if the running

480
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Speaker 4: back were to push, they just got the mic always

481
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Speaker 4: works with three. So you can see here we get

482
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Speaker 4: a wall two right, and we get our corner underneath.

483
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: You can see that he's in soft cover two, and

484
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: then we also have our safety on top. And so

485
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Speaker 4: really right now, when Stafford wants to throw the ball,

486
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: you have pretty much everybody covered. Now he's got to

487
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Speaker 4: get a conversion route or he's got to try and

488
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 4: hit this receiver in stride as the pocket's collapsing around him,

489
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: and we end up getting a nice playoff of that.

490
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Speaker 4: So here we do have a shot of the chargers

491
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Speaker 4: and we're going to get our nickel pressure. In fact,

492
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Speaker 4: they ran they ran the most nickel pressures against the chargers,

493
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Speaker 4: So I don't know if that necessarily means, but this

494
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 4: is a good look at their version of the nickels.

495
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Speaker 4: So this is typically what you're going to get. You're

496
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Speaker 4: gonna get a too high shell. It's gonna look like

497
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Speaker 4: a standard down. Now they are mugging, they are mugging

498
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: the guy here because it is kind of a third

499
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: down look. And then what they're doing is they're just

500
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 4: he's just charging the gap, just kind of guessing that

501
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: it's gonna be run. It's not. He pops back out

502
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 4: and you can kind of see how everybody kind of

503
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 4: works in. But this is typically what you're going to

504
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: get from a nickel pressure off the edge. Now Clowney

505
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: kind of freelances right here and goes vertical. You can

506
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Speaker 4: have it off of the slide. The slide's actually down here.

507
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: They do have it to where in the slide if

508
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: the slide goes vertical to d n can stay out

509
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: and then he would actually pop back inside to kind

510
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: of waste blockers. So this just goes to show you

511
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: even in the NFL, you get a little bit of freely.

512
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: You don't get the clean looks that and you necessarily

513
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 4: get at the college level. But here you can see

514
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: that nickel pressure. Quarterback has to make a hurry throw

515
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: and it almost gets picked off. And then in our

516
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 4: last one just showing a B gap, So I wanted

517
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 4: to show this is just a B gap pressure and

518
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 4: how you can stack a bunch of guys near the

519
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, and you can still have confusion in

520
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Speaker 4: the protection. This is five out protection. Instead of going

521
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: big on big, they go half slide. They actually go

522
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Speaker 4: slide this way and leave the B gap open almost

523
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: to the point where he can't believe it and it

524
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Speaker 4: doesn't go quickly, and then they're just all they're doing

525
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 4: is running man cover in behind right. And so then

526
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 4: we go here and we get the exact same pressure,

527
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: except for instead of having the defensive end loop back

528
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: around and trace back around, they actually have the three

529
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: technique here on the bottom is he's now going to

530
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 4: loop around. And all that does is you've now added

531
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Speaker 4: a layer to your protection. So you're picking this guard here.

532
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 4: He can't work across the center, and so because you've

533
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: engaged this guard, it creates this nice alley right here.

534
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 4: We have a nice edge rush right here. And then

535
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Speaker 4: you tell your interior guys not to get vertical if

536
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 4: your edge rushers are gonna get vertical. And so what

537
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 4: that ends up doing is we say, oh, well, Melrose

538
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: could have stepped out and leaked out here. Ninety nine

539
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: is actually going to close it. You can actually see

540
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Speaker 4: him close that, and then we see the pockets just

541
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Speaker 4: collapse on Mill Road right there. And so that that

542
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Speaker 4: to me is all of these are really indicative of

543
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: what we see from Mentor and then showing you kind

544
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Speaker 4: of of what that's gonna look like when we translated

545
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Speaker 4: into the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Going back to that first one with Marvin Harrison Junior,

547
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Speaker 3: the way they bracketed him, was that exclusive to guys

548
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: that are like those kind of number ones, because Marvin

549
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Speaker 3: Harrison Junior is a different kind of receiver.

550
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Speaker 1: Was it?

551
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Speaker 3: Did they play him exclusively like that or other number

552
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: ones like that? Or is that kind of across all

553
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: games that you saw from Mentor.

554
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you you either do it to the passing

555
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: strength or to the X, which would be the single receiver.

556
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Speaker 4: And really in some of these Ohio states so unique

557
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: because of their receiver corp. But that guy's different, and

558
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 4: so you you saw them tracks. So actually in the

559
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: second half the touchdown, Marvin Harrison actually gets in the

560
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: red zone, they actually had to move him into inside, right,

561
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Speaker 4: so you kind of mitigate that by offensively by moving

562
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Speaker 4: him inside. Well, that's something that's completely different. He didn't

563
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: I mean, he can play anywhere. He's that good, but

564
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Speaker 4: that's not something that you typically see day do. So

565
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Speaker 4: you're what you're doing off of this is you're saying,

566
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 4: we can play zone, so we can still have our

567
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: eyes on the quarterback, we can still see run, we

568
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: can still play a lot of these other things. But

569
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: we're going to get the double off of that. So yeah,

570
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 4: you would typically see this against either a strong X

571
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: or a one of the better receivers on a team.

572
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Gotcha.

573
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the linebackers, and we saw a lot of

574
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Speaker 2: them doing a lot of different responsibilities here. You know,

575
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Speaker 2: I remember I think it was Drew Trenkle, you know,

576
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: the first year that the Chargers had Brandon Stadi said

577
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: that that defense put a lot on the linebackers because

578
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: you have to cover, you have to blitz, you have

579
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: to run stuff. Is it kind of like the same responsibility,

580
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: same kind of arch type you think for the linebacker

581
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Speaker 2: position that we could potentially be like looking at prospects

582
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: or free agents, Like do you think that they would

583
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: be more looking for like specialists, like let's get a

584
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: blitzer in here, let's get a run stopper in here,

585
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: or we're kind of like all around linebacker types.

586
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a total defense. I think

587
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: that's kind of the difference that This is the thing

588
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 4: that I really like about it is it's kind of

589
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 4: in that Big Ten mentality of like we're gonna play

590
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: total defense, we're not gonna play packages. Kind of that

591
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: Iowa style of defense kind of leaks into everywhere in

592
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: the Big Ten of like we're not gonna have a

593
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: lot of packages. We're not gonna have an edge rush guy,

594
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: because the problem that you get with specialists is that

595
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: you now are paying a guy millions of dollars to

596
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: do one thing, and he better be really, really good

597
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: at that one thing. It's kind of like a DH

598
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: and baseball. He better be able to hit otherwise we're

599
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: not why are we paying you? And then why are

600
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: you not playing out on the field. So I think

601
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: the linebackers in this system do a lot of stuff.

602
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: They've got to know that multiple coverages, because I think

603
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: you saw we ran cover three. We were running different

604
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: types of Cover two, We're running quarters, we're running man coverage.

605
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: We're going to have you maybe be a rat and

606
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: we're going to have you mug the running back and

607
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: add into the blitz. We're gonna have you blitz. So

608
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: I think you're correct and what I said at the

609
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: beginning is like you really have these linebackers are the

610
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Speaker 4: true link in the chain from the anchor points to

611
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: the secondary. And so yes, you are correct. You have

612
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: to find these guys that can tie the knot right.

613
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: They can tie everything together and they are kind of

614
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: total linebackers. And I really think, look, I think if

615
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: you look at the ecosystems in the NFL, it was

616
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago you were saying kind of

617
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: the linebackers are the running backs of the of the defense.

618
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: But I really think that you see kind of Houston

619
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: this year with their linebacker corps. A Ryans is also

620
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: an elite linebacker coach. But you look at the forty

621
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Speaker 4: nine ers with with their two guys that they've got,

622
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Speaker 4: And don't think that Greenlaw getting leaving that game in

623
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl did not have a huge tremendous effect

624
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: on that. But you look at some of these systems

625
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: that the Jets are another one that sneakily have some

626
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: pretty athletic linebackers that can run around. Well, these are

627
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: all start kind of the top defenses. I mean, go

628
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: look at even Kansas City with tranquill in there. Bolton

629
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Speaker 4: is another one. You know, Gay is kind of serviceable.

630
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: He does he moves around. So you kind of look

631
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: at these top defends like, oh, well they have linebackers,

632
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: and that's correct. Defense has links in the chain from

633
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: one level to the other, and so every level has

634
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: to have somebody that can play on every standard down.

635
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Speaker 3: Cody, last question for me here. Jim Harbaugh has been

636
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: pretty effusive of his praise for Derwin James and the

637
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: kind of player he is, the kind of person that

638
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: he is. What kind of role change might we see

639
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: for Drwen James in this defense? And can Jesse mintor

640
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: get him to where Mike McDonald has Kyle Hamilton.

641
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, that's going to be kind of where

642
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: that's to me, that's the role I think is. He

643
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: can play back, you can play him down in a slot.

644
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: You can have him be a tight end killer if

645
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: he need to. He can play on top of a

646
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: tight end. He can fit in the box. I mean

647
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: if you go when you look at kind of what

648
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Speaker 4: he did last year and then kind of what Michigan

649
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: was different because their nickel was a true corner. Right,

650
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Speaker 4: He's one hundred and eighty five pounds trying not to

651
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Speaker 4: keep him in the box, and so I actually went

652
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Speaker 4: and I looked at kind of where both of them

653
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Speaker 4: lined up to see any translation. And I do think

654
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: that there is some translation. I do think that the

655
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Speaker 4: nickel pressures are going to be there. I do think

656
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Speaker 4: that he's going to be asked to kind of play

657
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: coverage on a slot. But you know, I think with him,

658
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: you're going to have somebody on top of him a

659
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Speaker 4: lot of times if you need to, if you want

660
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Speaker 4: to play him as the nickel like Hamilton does and

661
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Speaker 4: like to me, when you have a guy like that

662
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Speaker 4: that can do kind of a five tool guy, that's

663
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Speaker 4: where the teaching process comes in. Where do you think,

664
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Speaker 4: why do you think Hamilton can move around in play

665
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Speaker 4: so many different places and not necessarily kind of be

666
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Speaker 4: out of wits? You know, I said it during the

667
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Speaker 4: kind of the playoffs. It's like Isaiah Simmons was kind

668
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: of from Clemson was kind of what we all thought

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Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton would be. He's a little bit bigger. You

670
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: could have taught you know, you probably could have seen

671
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: it probably if you really looked hard. He wasn't going

672
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: to translate very good into the secondary. But how do

673
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: you get a guy I like that that's not just

674
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Speaker 4: a one trick punt. He's really just a one trip point.

675
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 4: We're just gonna move them around because an athlete, but

676
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: we're only asked him to do a couple of things.

677
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Speaker 4: So I think that that's where I think Mintor is

678
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: going to have challenge of like, hey, how can I

679
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: get this guy move around? And then being able I

680
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: think when you have that chess piece, you're able to

681
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: kind of eliminate some of the spots. They can cover

682
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Speaker 4: up some of the spots like, hey, if we can

683
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Speaker 4: eliminate this player, we can then move move kind of

684
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Speaker 4: some coverage portions over here and vice versa.

685
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Speaker 2: Man, a ton of a ton of great stuff there.

686
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: I know my head's spinning about like draft prospects now

687
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: and like okay, this free agent it could come over

688
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: and so you know, I'm really excited about this. I

689
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: think Jesse Minzer is going to do a lot of

690
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: great things with the Chargers, and I think Chargers fans

691
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: should be really excited about it. Hopefully more excited after

692
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: watching those clips and hearing Cody about it. So, Cody,

693
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Speaker 2: this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate your time.

694
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Speaker 2: Where can Chargers fans go and find your work hopefully

695
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Speaker 2: after they love that great interview.

696
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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you are interested in defense at all, to

697
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Speaker 4: match quarters dot com and subscribe. There's probably not in

698
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Speaker 4: any other resource out there that's given you gives you videos,

699
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Speaker 4: long form content. Finally, on match quarters. On most social

700
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Speaker 4: media Twitter, it's at the underscore coach underscore A. I'm

701
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: constantly putting out stuff defense. I'm a nerd. I like

702
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Speaker 4: talking about this stuff, so obviously you can tell. So yeah,

703
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Speaker 4: if you like defense, get away from the offense. Everybody

704
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: loves offense. You want to be you want to like defense.

705
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Speaker 4: Comematch quarters dot com.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Definitely can't confirm there.

707
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Speaker 2: When there was the initial rumor that the Chargers were

708
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Speaker 2: interested in hiring Jesse Minster, I went right to Cody's

709
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Speaker 2: profile and search Jesse Minzer and they had like six

710
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Speaker 2: articles up there. So yes, can definitely confirm. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: plug there for you, Cody. Thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure we'll be in touchdown the road and

714
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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully charge fans go give you guys a

715
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Speaker 2: subscription over there.

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Speaker 4: Yeap, appreciate it, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, sir, all right, Tyler. That was awesome. Man, I

718
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: learned a ton. Hopefully you guys listening learned a time.

719
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Speaker 2: Did you have any big general takeaway from our discussion

720
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Speaker 2: with Cody Alexander there?

721
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Speaker 3: You know, it was one of those moments where it's

722
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: almost like being a student again where you pray the

723
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: teacher doesn't ask you to repeat what you just said

724
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: because I'm watching half of that going, uh yeah, sure, dude,

725
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: And it looked great, sounded great, and he did a

726
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: really good job explaining things. But boy, that was that

727
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: was a lot packed into just a few plays. I

728
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: think the real takeaway for me, which kind of maybe

729
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: is just because of the last player I watched, but

730
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: watching the linebackers from Michigan, it's not that you need

731
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: although the Ravens did get a high quality linebacker and

732
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: then drafted another linebacker and Patrick Queen a few years ago.

733
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Speaker 3: You don't necessarily need an elite linebacker by any means,

734
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: but they are asked to do quite a bit. And so,

735
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: you know, we've had a lot of discussions as a

736
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: fan base, like, Okay, how much does Staley's defense prioritize linebacker?

737
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: And then how much does you know the team prioritized

738
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Speaker 3: linebacker in terms of you know, how early they draft them,

739
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: or finances and cap and whatever. The charges maybe don't

740
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: need an elite guy, but they're gonna need some guys.

741
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: So maybe it's the guys they have on the roster currently,

742
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's guys in the draft or freegency or whatever,

743
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: but that position does become a bit more of a priority,

744
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Speaker 3: I think having watched that, having watched Junior Colson just

745
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Speaker 3: recently today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as somebody who I love watching linebacker play,

747
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: but in college football, it's really frustrating to watch because

748
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: so many of these like three three five defenses are

749
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: out in college football where they're asking their linebackers to

750
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: do like two things seaball get ball, take on a guard,

751
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: you know, cover a deep middle part of the field.

752
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: Like it's it's so specialized. But these Michigan linebackers are

753
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: doing everything. And Junior Colson, I don't think he's necessarily

754
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: like the best talent in this class, but like mentally

755
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: he's he's there like he does everything already. And I

756
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: think that specifically is what like Jesse Minter's defense is

757
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: going to require, is like those guys have to be

758
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: able to process everything, and so it's gonna put a

759
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: lot of mental tax on whoever is playing the position.

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Speaker 2: I am curious if this maybe makes Eric Kendricks a

761
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: more high priority to keep just because he is kind

762
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: of that veteran presence there. There's a lot of things

763
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: that can go into that position. You know, the charters

764
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily have a ton of cap resources to

765
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Speaker 2: go sign a veteran linebacker, you know, they could certainly

766
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Speaker 2: draft Junior Coulson, and I think that would help, you know,

767
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Speaker 2: mitigate the translation risk. But it is gonna be really

768
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: interesting because we've there's a lot of like cornerback and

769
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Speaker 2: edge and ride receiver and tight end and like offensive tackle,

770
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Speaker 2: but like we're not really talking a whole lot about

771
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Speaker 2: linebacker in terms of drafting. So it is gonna be

772
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Speaker 2: really interesting to see how much this defense really prioritizes

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Speaker 2: that in terms of resources.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't watched Michigan's defense yet, go do it.

775
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: And the more you watch it, the more you love it.

776
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: And go watch Coulson. Go watch number twenty five and

777
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Speaker 3: see what he does. Because and I tweeted this earlier,

778
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Speaker 3: I had only watched two games up until that point,

779
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: but I'd not seen a linebacker have to do so

780
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: much and cover so much ground him. He will start

781
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: on the outside of one tackle and then have to

782
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: go defend the opposite hash against another receiver. And you

783
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: can tell the defense, you know, whether it's a linebackers,

784
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: ed rushers, corner, safeties, whatever, it's so taxing and so

785
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: difficult for these quarterbacks to have to deal with. You

786
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: can tell that at Like, I'll watch the Alabama game.

787
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: There were so many times the checked on option or

788
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: someone in a cross or whatever. It was there, But

789
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Speaker 3: Michigan did a great job of confusing things, confusing the protection,

790
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: you know, sending five against five and just finding ways

791
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: to get those one on ones and beat those one

792
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: on ones. It was so difficult for the quarterbacks to

793
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Speaker 3: keep up. So, yeah, it's a fun watch. There was

794
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Speaker 3: to go watch the defense after having watched this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.

796
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Speaker 2: It definitely makes sense why the Ravens defense was like

797
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: really good, and then once they added rocon Smith, it

798
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, this is the potentially the best defense

799
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: in the league. And Roquan's you know, one of the

800
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: three best linebackers in the league. Is a freak athlete,

801
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: but he can do everything from a mental standpoint as well,

802
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: and so having that in the middle of the defense

803
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: that can really just take on everything that the coaches

804
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: are asking them. It's gonna be curious to see how

805
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: the Chargers find that.

806
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Speaker 1: Is that developing day on? Is that drafting Junior Colson?

807
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Speaker 1: Is it signing somebody.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine they really signed somebody like a high

809
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: level linebacker contract like Patrick Queen just because of the resources.

810
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: But they're definitely gonna need a true like linebacker one

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Speaker 2: and I think that is kind of more of an

812
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Speaker 2: important offseason question mark than it was previously, at least

813
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Speaker 2: for me personally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, And I'm really curious how then

815
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: the Chargers go about addressing defensive tackle again. Is it

816
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: guys on their roster?

817
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Is it a free agent? Is it a draft pick?

818
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Speaker 3: Because you look at Mazzie Smith last year than Chris

819
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: Jenkins this past year. Is probably gonna go about in

820
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: the second round of this upcoming draft. Those guys aren't

821
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: necessarily pass rushers. They can, but it's more of like

822
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Speaker 3: a second thing that they can sort of do. They're

823
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Speaker 3: not designated rushers like Morgan Fox is definitely more of

824
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Speaker 3: a pass rusher, Jenkins, Mazzie Smith. You trust them more

825
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: to hold up against the run. So I'm very curious

826
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Speaker 3: how the Chargers go about a dressing that position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.

828
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Speaker 2: Now they have Otito and Christopher Hinson who played at Michigan,

829
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: but it is definitely a position room that needs some

830
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: depth there. And then for me, I like the excitement

831
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 2: for Derwin James this year. Like I know that he

832
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: did not have a super positive season last year, and

833
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: I think even he would, you know, tell you about

834
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: some frustrations. But the possibilities of this Jesse Winter defense.

835
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see him play way more on

836
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: the slot this year. I think we're going to see

837
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: him play in the box way more this year. And

838
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: I think he's just gonna be around the football more often.

839
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's how you maximize Drwin right now,

840
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: is get him closer to the line of scrimmage, let

841
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: him cover tight ends, let him blitz, let him stop

842
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: the run, and just let him get after it. And

843
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how Jesse Minter does that, and

844
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: I think that will free up you know, the possibilities

845
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: of Durwin getting back to that blue chip player that

846
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: we saw previously before last season.

847
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Speaker 3: Yeah, watching Mike Saine Ristill for Michigan number zero, great player,

848
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: super exciting player. Derman James is obviously just a little

849
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: bit different. I mean that respectfully to basically any defensive

850
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: back you could watch, They're not Derwin James. Idea that

851
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: he could go out there and it's one thing to

852
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: send Derwin James on a blitz, having blitz up the middle,

853
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: having blitz on the edge, whatever like. You can do that.

854
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: Of course you would do that, but it's the specific

855
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: way mentor can disguise those blitzes and dial certain things up.

856
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: And you saw against the Chargers it looked like they

857
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: were gonna rush seven and then two guys half rushed

858
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: and then oh they came back and oh they were

859
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: playing the run. Yeah, then they dropped back. It was

860
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: so confusing just to watch that one and imagine that

861
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: every single play. Not that you're always sending Derwin James,

862
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: but the threat is always there. You have to find him,

863
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: and the idea that just occasionally I'm going to send him,

864
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: or it's Henley or its Kendricks or whatever, is really

865
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Speaker 3: exciting and by the way again, we have we have Mac,

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Speaker 3: we have to these guys tremendous ed rushes for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Whatever said, So that was that was a great Like

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Speaker 2: I said, I learned it on.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys did as well.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you went and followed Cody Alexander after watching this.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate him for jumping on today. Appreciate Tyler as

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Speaker 2: well as Greg Kim, our producer, for jumping on on

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Speaker 2: President's Day to record this episode. So hopefully you guys

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Speaker 2: enjoyed it. Make sure like subscribe, comment all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We do really appreciate all the support that you guys

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Speaker 2: have shown throughout the show and we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us today, As always, bull

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Speaker 1: Time