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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports not for everybody. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: a little sick to love this game. And we got

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Speaker 1: some picos.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a year and

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Speaker 2: best of list. I'm Greg Rosenthal here with Ali Connolly.

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Speaker 2: We are the Saturday Sickos. But it's not Saturday. It

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Speaker 2: is a holiday though. Happy New Year's to everyone, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: we didn't want to delay this show any longer with

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Speaker 2: the games on Saturday. Let's put it out, Ali, and

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Speaker 2: let's talk about our all pro teams for this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you, in your words, to be my Joe

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Speaker 2: House to my Bill Simmons as I try to construct

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Speaker 2: an end of the year All Pro team list. Before

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Speaker 2: you know, we're onto coach firings and playoff previews and

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Speaker 2: we forget all about all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, not a drunk house episode. I wish I was.

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Speaker 1: The takes would really be flying if I was a

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Speaker 1: label to have a couple of couple of bits doing

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Speaker 2: No, I do find that sometimes we just get lost

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Speaker 2: is gonna start happening next week fast, and we are

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Speaker 2: gonna do a quick final Awards talk. I'll do that

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Speaker 2: with Jordan and Colleen next week, but I did want

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Speaker 2: to go through position by position. I love listening to

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Speaker 2: some year end lists of albums and books and everything

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Speaker 2: go through position by position, and I'll just bounce some

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Speaker 2: our All Pro team. And we'll start at quarterback, because

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Speaker 2: you know, we've probably talked about Drake May versus Matthew

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Speaker 2: anyone else other than those two in terms of first

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Speaker 1: No, over the Read Optional because we all weigh oh's

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Speaker 1: I would consider that, but I think there's such a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimately I'm leaning May, and I don't like to

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Speaker 2: you care about that too. PFF had him fourth. Now

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Speaker 2: M Okay, So Ali Ali is that is? That is

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Speaker 1: And no, I'm not doing it as a fairness thing,

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Speaker 2: So we're confusing our producer Eric Roberts here, who yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, ultimately I'm getting the final vote here, Eric,

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Speaker 2: want to hear Ali's picks for a lot of these,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, between the tackles running it used to be with him.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, tell me if I'm forgetting anyone. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's tighter between McCaffrey and James Cook than

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Speaker 2: give it away that Baijon is your first team guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're watching him every week, so it really isn't

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Speaker 2: Troy Aikman talking about him on Monday Night during a

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Speaker 2: Bajon to him, that I do think he's he's the

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Speaker 1: Any of the Office Smith ones? Turn around one?

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Speaker 2: three hundred and ninety nine touches right now, which is

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Speaker 2: than he at than he has all season long too,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy yards and seven touchdowns just as

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to a receiver. Pooka and Jackson

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Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba. Sometimes in these exercises we just skip

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Speaker 1: It's very helpful. JSN just becoming an all around threat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Pooka, I mean you could say a lot

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Speaker 2: everything in that offense, like he has added something to

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Speaker 2: I know there's a freaking screen shot where the ball

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Speaker 2: I just think receivers and every position is like that,

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Speaker 2: like the next generation is always better. And for a

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Speaker 2: to like new heights is just outrageous from pokin Auquoa

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the same stuff going through all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's harder to find the third pick here.

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Speaker 2: So I did a social video a few weeks ago

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Speaker 1: Are you positive those comments will relate to that video?

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Speaker 2: I mean no, they're just like going, why why are

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of people going back and forth

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Speaker 1: Didn't absolutely asinate. I cannot tell you how constanpated that

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, this is what this show is going to

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Speaker 2: Help influence me because I now I might go Nico

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Speaker 1: I went with Pickens on my first team because I

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Speaker 1: have better production in individual games, but just full on,

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Speaker 1: we have no one on one not to deal with

434
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Speaker 1: this guy. We can't double the guy because we're afraid

435
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Speaker 1: of CD line, but he just roast people for five games.

436
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Speaker 1: So that's where I put Picking slightly above everyone else.

437
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: I think a mom Rod numbers wise gets the chase

438
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Speaker 1: you mentioned. I would have ted McMillan in that. I

439
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: think DeVonta Smith has been unbelievable this season. He's lost

440
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: in the shuffle because the Eagles passing game is such

441
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: a national nightmare for everyone, and then there's all the

442
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Speaker 1: AJ Brown stuff that we just forget how dominant Vonta

443
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Speaker 1: smith is, so that was kind of my short list.

444
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Speaker 2: Ooh, I like that choice, and you're sneaky giving a

445
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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year. Take maybe with with t mac

446
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 2: in terms of what he meant to that offense because

447
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: suddenly it's Tyler Shuck.

448
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: Which is laughable. Laughable by the way, because Shuk has

449
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Speaker 1: been really, really good and it is really exciting for

450
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Speaker 1: the future. It's a full season award, just deciding this

451
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Speaker 1: thing the final three weeks of the season. Same with MVP.

452
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Speaker 1: I know Claybourne is on this island with me, but

453
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Speaker 1: to strip away thirteen weeks to just decide the final

454
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Speaker 1: few weeks of the season. Here, the offensive Rookie of

455
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Speaker 1: the Year is a joke.

456
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Speaker 2: I'm with you when it comes to Shuck because when

457
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Speaker 2: we're talking, I know what Patrick is talking about and

458
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Speaker 2: in terms of the MVP, and that is unfair. But

459
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: Drake May and Matthew Stafford have been outdiding, like Drake

460
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Speaker 2: May has been outstanding the whole year. I do think

461
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: games played matters here for a quarterback to win an award,

462
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Speaker 2: for any player to win an award in those nine games,

463
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Speaker 2: he's got to be one of the greatest of all time.

464
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Speaker 2: Like one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen.

465
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Speaker 2: He'd have to be like Dan Marino rookie season but

466
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Speaker 2: only over nine games or whatever. And it Chuck isn't

467
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Speaker 2: even close to that. Like you, you could still make

468
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Speaker 2: the argument if you want like Jackson Dart versus like

469
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Speaker 2: Chuck for the season. It's not crazy to me. There's

470
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Speaker 2: not an obvious choice. I'm I'm leaning McMillan for Rookie

471
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Speaker 2: of the Year. We'll talk about that. That that is

472
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Speaker 2: interesting what you say, Like, look, Harold Fan and Junior's

473
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Speaker 2: like got a top ten tight end, you know, receiving

474
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Speaker 2: yards in the history of the game. Right now, Loveland

475
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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of guys Loveland and Warren. I

476
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Speaker 2: guess has fallen off. But I have a hard time

477
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Speaker 2: with that too. Okay, you with your input, I will

478
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Speaker 2: put George Pickens on my second team. I had him

479
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Speaker 2: there just he was right on the border line. But

480
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Speaker 2: I'm at least gonna put him on my second team.

481
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Speaker 2: I am going Nico Collins on my first team. He

482
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Speaker 2: made me feel better about it. So I'm gonna go Puka,

483
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Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jig but and Nico Collins with my

484
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Speaker 2: first team, and then I'm going Jamar Chase a'mon ra

485
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Speaker 2: Saint Brown, who at this point I don't think it's

486
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Speaker 2: fair to even say he's like underrated, but he's not

487
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Speaker 2: just a Lions like like slot scheme merchant. He is

488
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Speaker 2: a very unique player. And so he's on the second team.

489
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Speaker 2: And that's where I put George Pickens too. So there's

490
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Speaker 2: our first and second team wide receivers. What did you

491
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Speaker 2: think about this a mon Ra season other than kind

492
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Speaker 2: of ruining the mini Lions dynasty by doing the Trump dance. Yes,

493
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Speaker 2: it hasn't been the same since that at least takes

494
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Speaker 2: about a first team consideration for.

495
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Speaker 1: The season employed from that and then don gamble a

496
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Speaker 1: guy I love. I know I f one lost, but

497
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Speaker 1: kind of disgrace himself down the stretch this season. I

498
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Speaker 1: turned the lines into this vertical passing attack while having

499
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Speaker 1: knowing tier offensive line and rotating his center is one

500
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Speaker 1: of the silliest things any coach, and this is the

501
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Speaker 1: coach of one of those shop is brains in all

502
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Speaker 1: of football. To try and pivot the offense that way,

503
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Speaker 1: which limits what a momro can do, was just laughable.

504
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Speaker 1: So Amonge the circumstances. I think we can only really

505
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Speaker 1: go off the pre Trump Dance portion of the season

506
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Speaker 1: when the offense was designed differently and was featuring a

507
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Speaker 1: Monramo and was you know, played to his strengths and

508
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Speaker 1: he fried everyone in front of him.

509
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we give him his love and he gets

510
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Speaker 2: the second team. I like the DeVante Smith shoutout as

511
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Speaker 2: like a third team type of guy in this season.

512
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Speaker 2: All right, let's do a tight end and then we'll

513
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Speaker 2: take a break. Trey McBride has the numbers. He broke

514
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Speaker 2: the all time receptions record four tight ends. He was

515
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Speaker 2: the offense. Statistically, he is far and away the choice,

516
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Speaker 2: and then I think of what they ask him to

517
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Speaker 2: do as a complete player blocker. It seems like it's

518
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Speaker 2: one of the more obvious consensus first team picks at

519
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Speaker 2: any position. Do you agree? I agree.

520
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that close.

521
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Speaker 2: Okay, then who who's your second team? This is one

522
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Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, I'm not I don't really

523
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Speaker 2: know where to go here. You could you could make

524
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Speaker 2: the case for about five different guys. So who was

525
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: on your short list? And where did you go in

526
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Speaker 2: the end?

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been cleaned out by injuries I feel in

528
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Speaker 1: this category, which makes it really difficult. I ultimately went

529
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Speaker 1: with George Kittel, who I know hasn't played as many

530
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Speaker 1: games of the guys, which kind of, you know, dg

531
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Speaker 1: some of my other arguments about what you should do

532
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Speaker 1: with the Wolves over the close of season. But when

533
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: he has played, he's just been a tear above everyone,

534
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: including McBride. He's a significantly better block of than McBride too.

535
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Speaker 1: He does make them complete the hole in the rum

536
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Speaker 1: pass conflict for everyone and makes that offense seeing it

537
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Speaker 1: a completely different clip when it's him on McCaffrey and

538
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Speaker 1: you stick together. So I just went with kill over

539
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Speaker 1: everyone else.

540
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the other guys would be like I mean,

541
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Speaker 2: Brenton Strange missed a lot of time. If you had

542
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Speaker 2: played the whole season, I don't think he would be

543
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Speaker 2: out of the mix. Darnold Washington would be in the mix.

544
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Speaker 2: I think just for second team. If Kittle hadn't played

545
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Speaker 2: all season, then you get to the rookies, Like you know,

546
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: Loveland wouldn't be that crazy of a pick. But ultimately,

547
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Speaker 2: I think it's all of a stretch. I was like you,

548
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: I thought Kittle ultimately is so much better than everyone else.

549
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: It's kind of like I was saying with Tyler Shuck that,

550
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Speaker 2: like you would have to be so much better than

551
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Speaker 2: everyone else for your your games. And Kittles did still

552
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: play ten games. It's not like he didn't play for

553
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Speaker 2: much of the season. It's interesting to me you would

554
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Speaker 2: say that you would have taken him over McBride if

555
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: he had stayed healthy for the season. It's kind of

556
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: crazy that we've gotten two like vintage total peak Kittle

557
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: seasons right now at this stage of his career. Like guys, guys,

558
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Speaker 2: I mean, considering how much they've put on him over

559
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: the years. This is usually when tight ends would start declining,

560
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: and he really hasn't, at least when he's been on

561
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Speaker 2: the field.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the decline with him is just izzy on the

563
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Speaker 1: field on not he's on the field. He's one of

564
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Speaker 1: the five six most valuable offensive plays in the league.

565
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Speaker 1: It's just whether he stays healthy, all know.

566
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Speaker 2: And it's been awesome to see McBride like kind of

567
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: sustain his gains and continue to improve that. It's one

568
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: of the hardest things to do as a pro and

569
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Speaker 2: it's what puts you in Canton right now. And it's

570
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: crazy to think about, but Fay McBride is very young,

571
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: but he this is this is what Hall of Fame

572
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: tight end careers look like early in their careers. That's

573
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Speaker 2: the type of start that McBride has had. Let's take

574
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Speaker 2: a break. We're going to come back. We're going to

575
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: talk line play, We're going to talk defense, and we're

576
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: going to talk linebackers, which are just Ali Connolly's favorite

577
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: people on here. Thing back on NFL daily the new year.

578
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Speaker 2: Think about what you've learned over the last year and

579
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Speaker 2: maybe in a career, Ali, and you've got to know

580
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: your strength and your weaknesses. And I'm sick of pretending

581
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: I have super hot takes on defensive line at this point,

582
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: I really do want to dive more into the All

583
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Speaker 2: twenty two and like going back over this season when

584
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: we get to the offseason. But with this blur of

585
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: the season and I watch all the games as quickly

586
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: as I can and stuff, it's like, I have general

587
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: feelings about who's played well on the offensive line, but

588
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to lean on you in your picksause I'm curious.

589
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: These will be fresh to me. And it is a

590
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: lot of the same names that you would think at tackle,

591
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: I think would pop up like Trent Williams started off

592
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: the season poor, but by the end of the season

593
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: he just seemed like Trent Williams again, which is hard

594
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: to ever leave off. Same thing with Tristan Wurfs after

595
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: an early start, like you know, wasn't healthy, but then

596
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: he was very much Tristan Worth. Garrett Bowles is a

597
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: guy maybe that stood out to me that had a

598
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: really good year. But I'm curious where you went for tackle.

599
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate your humility. You could do a traditional vote

600
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: to thing of just pull up PFF and treated as

601
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Speaker 1: gospel and file your ballot, which I think is what

602
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: most people do. I went with Bowls and Tristan Worth

603
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: as my starting time.

604
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Speaker 2: H well, so then I didn't Hey, who needs you anyways?

605
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: I nailed it. Oh wait, so that's over this year?

606
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: And why okay, why would that be?

607
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Seoul has had now back to back seasons away in

608
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: pass Pro. He just isn't the caliber play. He leaps

609
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: off the screen so much in the wrong game, particular

610
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: when they feature him when he's a puller and a

611
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: mover in space. He's so clearly a head and shoals

612
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: above everyone else in the league is a mover in space,

613
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: but he just has so many major l's in past pro.

614
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: When it's straight one on one, the other guys get

615
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: caught up. When there's some kind of two on one conflict,

616
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: you put two guys over and they got to figure

617
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: it out. It becomes more about the protection planning. Just

618
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: those guys are straight up pass pro plays. Sul just

619
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: has more losses in straight one on one past pro

620
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Speaker 1: than the other top guys in the league.

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Speaker 2: No, if I actually had a vote, and not that

622
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Speaker 2: voters are listening to this show, maybe a few, you know,

623
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Speaker 2: I would that's those are the positions where and I

624
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Speaker 2: would try to do this with all the positions to

625
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: some degree, but where I would just talk to people

626
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: inside the teams who have been game planning and preparing

627
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: and watching and who's giving you the most like all

628
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff versus yeah, checking PFF or asking

629
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Speaker 2: see that.

630
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Speaker 1: That is difficult though, because Penny sullis when you have

631
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: to gain fun fall whereas I don't think you go

632
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: in worried about Garrett Bowles. You just can't get past

633
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: the guy for the entire season he's gotten.

634
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what has stood out to you about him as

635
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: he's gotten older in his career, because he does seem

636
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: like someone who his development arc has been really fascinating.

637
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Speaker 2: But now he's at the point where, yeah, he might

638
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: be the best pass protector in the entire league.

639
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not as flash as the guys. Trent

640
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: is obviously more flashier, and you know, has more of

641
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: a size speed combination doing the Garrett Boles was even

642
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: at his size. That what he has going for him

643
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Speaker 1: is he's in the best protection based unit in the

644
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Speaker 1: entire league. Showan Payton is just the best at divis

645
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: and protection plans, the tiers outstanding. But he gets gets

646
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Speaker 1: isolated a one on one on his own to one

647
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Speaker 1: side the formation, and he's just never wrong. And that

648
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: is the job ultimately the end of the day, is

649
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: just stay in front of the blocker. Doesn't have to

650
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: be as flash as everyone else. When you've got to

651
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: be aggressive and engaged against someone, he does that. So

652
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: when you got to sit back and play more patient football,

653
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: he can do that too. So he can just play

654
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: in a varied number of ways and he just doesn't

655
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: let guys past him, which is ultimately the job.

656
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been that dude too when you when you

657
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: hear from people that are around the Denver Broncos like

658
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: he is maybe the biggest leader on that team. He

659
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: has kind of mister Denver Broncos certainly for the offense.

660
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: So yes, Garrett Bolls, Denver Broncos. Tristan Wurf's of course

661
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: a left tackle now of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

662
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: he's just someone that I don't think you need to

663
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: have as great an I for offensive line play when

664
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: it comes to him. When I watch Tristan Wurst, I

665
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: just think like, oh, yeah, that's exactly what you want,

666
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: like in a left tackle. That's that's kind of teach tape,

667
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: that's athleticism, It's it's everything that you want. And I

668
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: know he just missed Week seventeen for the Bucks. He

669
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: missed a couple games early, but ultimately he hasn't missed

670
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: that much of the season. It sounds like he will

671
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: be back on Saturday for the Buccaneers for what could

672
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: be Geene Deckerhoff's final game. But we won't know. Big

673
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: news breaking on what was it Wednesday here, But yeah,

674
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: what stands out for you for Tristan Worfs.

675
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Worfs is just the combination of intellect and size and speed.

676
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: It just should not be allowed to be in one package.

677
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: You just have to take one of those out to

678
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: make it a fair fight for everyone else. In the

679
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: ring game, everything is on the menu. He can kill

680
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: people on the backside to have people pull around him,

681
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you can pull into space himself, opens up the screen

682
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: game for them entirely. So he's truly like in that

683
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: booket of Penny Seol where it's he's a weapon offensive line,

684
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: which is so right to find at a tackle spot

685
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: because you just so worried about passpro to hod to

686
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: make that guy be a featured weapon. He can do

687
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: that stuff, and then he just also doesn't make any

688
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: errors or mental mistakes in passpro wears with Suli, you

689
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: get more of those breakdowns.

690
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's one thing when they're missing their guards,

691
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: it's another thing. Like last week, you could really see

692
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: it when they're missing Tristan Worst. I think that was

693
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: a big reason why they lost that game against the Dolphins.

694
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: All right, who are your choices? Give me the players

695
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: and the team tams for the interior offensive line. I'm

696
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: handing this one over to Ali Connolly.

697
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start at God. We'll go with Joe Toney

698
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: from the Bears at God, and we'll go with Quinn

699
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Minutes the God from the den Broncos.

700
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so you think that Quinn Minors, who I know

701
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: you have loved his development, has kind of kept up

702
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: his run blocking more than anything as like the definitive

703
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: run blocker in the NFL.

704
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Right now he is definitely the definitive from blocking NFL,

705
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: just one on head of Manta man football. In the trenches,

706
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: he controls big human beings better than anyone else in

707
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: the league. And I actually think the separation with him

708
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: to every of the line position the season is the

709
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: biggest gap we have the biggest goal. If you can

710
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: make a case for different right tackles, different left tackles.

711
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: He is like streaks ahead I think of every of

712
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: the god in the league because now he's added so

713
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: much more balance and fleet footedness in passpro, where he

714
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: used to not lose the initial phase of the rep,

715
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: but this guys would throw moves that he would kind

716
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: of get lost and confused. Now he just doesn't let

717
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: anyone by him for entire stretches. And then he is

718
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: an absolute mola in the game, He moves the pile individually,

719
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: mouldenny of the player in the league. So when you

720
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: combine those two things together, you get the all around

721
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: god that you need. Not quite the overall skills that

722
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: maybe the most explosive gods in the league, but what

723
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: he's asked to do, he's doing a complete, you know,

724
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: maximum capacity, and there's no one else I see in

725
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: the league doing it quite at that level is consistently

726
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: week to week.

727
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: And you got to give Ryan Poles or maybe it's

728
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson really pulling the strings, but ultimately the Bears

729
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: executing that trade for Joe Toney, and you think about

730
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: all the different reasons why the Chiefs, like you know,

731
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: fell apart this year, like trading Joe Toney and giving

732
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: Tray Smith all that money. I'd have been part of it,

733
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: Like I get it in terms of age, but it's

734
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: interesting to me that you think he ultimately, even though

735
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: there's a gulf between miners and the rest of the Guards,

736
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: deserves that spot, as you know, kind of the guy

737
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: who helped ignite a running game and really a transformation

738
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: on that offensive line which really came especially after the

739
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: bye week, Joe Toney getting it done. Possibly gotta make

740
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: speaking of the Hall of Fame like him doing it

741
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: now for another team. I think is gonna be a

742
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: big feather in his cap one day when they're talking

743
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: about him for Canton too.

744
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a bit of a mere culpa pick for me.

745
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: I like to do that with these teams. When I

746
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: just get takes wrong to open the season, I reward

747
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: the people for myself being wrong. I thought that was

748
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: a reasonable trade. I thought he was really backslid last season,

749
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: was kind of getting through on some of the name

750
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: brand value. Looking at how he's played this season, I

751
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: wonder if he was fully healthy at the end there

752
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, not just when he was forced to

753
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: play out a tackle which he couldn't play in space

754
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: like that. He just has such a beautiful, like old

755
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: man Vets savvy game in passport particularly, he gets away

756
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: with all kinds of dirty deeds inside. Just end the

757
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: rep as quickly as possible. Then you mentioned the wrong

758
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: game stuff. No one is more sound than assignment based

759
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: than Joe tuning the rung game, and he has I

760
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: would say, an easier assignment down to down this one

761
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: like Quenton Nelson. It's so double team base he's getting

762
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: an awful lot of help, but he's just been as clean

763
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: as anything throughout the season.

764
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: I love also that you're going so hard on the

765
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: paint for Miners because I don't think his his PFF

766
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: grade is incredible because they knock him for Pass Pro.

767
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: And so.

768
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: We're playing our flag here, All Pro first team, Quinn

769
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: Miners by a lot. Who's your center for the All

770
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: Pro team?

771
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer from the Dolphins. Yes, has to be.

772
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: We've given him a lot of pop this year. He

773
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: was on our All Underrated team, and I do think

774
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: that one has sort of caught fire in terms of

775
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: the cognizant He not necessarily from here, but I do

776
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: think people are recognizing Aaron Brewer, Miami Dolphins. A lot

777
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: went wrong for the Miami Dolphins this year, but the

778
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 2: development not just of Aaron Brewer becoming an All Pro

779
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: type player at center, but the development of Patrick Paul

780
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: at left tackle was definitely a positive. Although I feel

781
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: like he's had some up and down games lately, but

782
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: overall he's been good at left tackle. Not in All Pro,

783
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: though Aaron Brewer is We got to get to defense.

784
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time on offense. Let's go

785
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: to edge annual is the deepest position. Feels unfair that

786
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: there's only two edge players. It's like you almost want

787
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: to find a spot for everyone else. I guess we

788
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: got to go top down because in the end, as

789
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: deep as it is. Maybe I'm wrong, but I actually

790
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't have that hard a time with my first team.

791
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: I think it is Miles Garrett and Will Anderson. Am

792
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: I crazy?

793
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, you say, well, Lendison, I think Miles Garrett

794
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: and Michah Pauson's I think.

795
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: See okay. I mean he was my solid number three,

796
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: and so that was my thing was I figured, if

797
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: Micah had stayed throughout, and maybe I'm knocking him too

798
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: much for the injury, that it's it's Garrett and Micah

799
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: and Will's a nice like kind of third. But because

800
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: of the injury, I just bumped up Will and moved

801
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons down. I guess make the case for why

802
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: missing how many games is it now for Michah Parsons,

803
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Uh isn't that big of a deal because yeah, when

804
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: he was on the field, I think it's pretty clear

805
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: one and two him and Garrett.

806
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: I think it's perfectly valid to have Will Anderson ahead

807
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: of him, I would say that they've been comparable production wise.

808
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: There's a slight added benefit of the defense one plays

809
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: on versus the defense the other plays for where mikeris

810
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: was the entire engine that made the thing run when

811
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: he comes off the field to see what that really

812
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: looks like. When Jeff Hafley's left to his own devices

813
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: without maybe the most dominant pas rusher in all of football.

814
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I just think with Garrett and Parson, it's these are

815
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: the two Hall of famers at the peak of their powers,

816
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: and everything else is kind of overthinking it. I adore

817
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: well Anderson. I love him so much. He is as

818
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: technically sound as any edge defender we have in all

819
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: of football. He is a dominant one on one pass rusher.

820
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: He is as good at run defending as any player

821
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: in the league. So putting him there is would be

822
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: no shame, And if he's played more games, I think

823
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: it's entirely justified. I just think Parsons and Garrett have

824
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: been as good as you could ever hope a pass

825
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: rusher to be that. I just put them there.

826
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hate and I do kind of like

827
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: putting Parsons in some way on the first team because

828
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: it pushes back against you know, just some of the

829
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: like light grumbling over the year, you know, during the

830
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: season was like was he worth the trade or Cowboys

831
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: fans or even Bears fans trying to say, like, you know,

832
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: because the sack production wasn't there earlythough got there in

833
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: the end anyways, that he somehow wasn't Michael Parsons, and

834
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: that he didn't make a massive impact on their run defense,

835
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: which I think you've seen over the last couple of weeks.

836
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: So ultimately, he plays fourteen games and Anderson will play seventeen,

837
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: and it's not that huge a difference. Parsons was a

838
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: little limited on his snapcount early. I don't know, I

839
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: kind of like rewarding just total greatness. You maybe have

840
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: convinced me to just go Miles Garrett and Michael Parsons

841
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: still as a first team because you know, years from now,

842
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: I'll just want to see the extra all team All

843
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: Pro first team, not that my vote actually counts. All right,

844
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Let's put Micah and Miles Garrett as the first team,

845
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: and anyone listening will know that I have Will Anderson

846
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: as a very solid you know one B number three

847
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: the hard part, I guess is going number four. I'll

848
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: throw out some names. Nick Benino is certainly in there.

849
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: One of the things I like about him, which I

850
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: mean like a lot of things about him, but like

851
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: his time to pressure just stands out compared to the

852
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: rest of the league, Like where that matches what your

853
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: eyes are that when he gets the pressures, it's not

854
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: the same as the other pressures because he's there, and

855
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: like the play is just ruined, even compared to Miles

856
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: Garrett in Parsons, like when he gets there, it's there

857
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: right of the way. Aiden Hutchinson I think fell off

858
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: a little bit down the stretch, but still an outstanding season.

859
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I think Josh Heinz, Allen had a great season and

860
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: closed very strong. Daniel Hunter and Byron Young. If you're

861
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: going to like a third team our players worth mentioning

862
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 2: at least, is there anyone I'm forgetting there? And where

863
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: are you leaning for that last spot?

864
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Jared Verse, I would throw in the Okay, well, I

865
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: think that it came down to me. It really difficult

866
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: to pick between all those guys. It came down between Benito,

867
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Josh Heines, Allen Hutchinson, which is again as a three

868
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: month shoallest for one spot. It's just really difficult to

869
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: pick those guys apart. I would maybe lean Hutchinson, but

870
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: I think the impulse of Benita is probably, as I

871
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: think about it, more, the right one.

872
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: He was my you know, and that was my list

873
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: in order, Benito, hutch Heinz Allen as the next three.

874
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: It sucks because this is where I wish there was.

875
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: And you have a third team, so you can give

876
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: a third team, but I just wish there was an

877
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: extra spot for edge. I just feel like they deserve

878
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: it more than like a second safety or off ball linebacker.

879
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: It is difficult because you want to reward the players

880
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: who you feel don't get enough publicity for being Yes,

881
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Excellen Josh Heines Allen is so unbelievably dominant, and I

882
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: don't think many people even know who he is at

883
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: this stage of his career. But it just so happens

884
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: that milesgar and Mike Buddon's all famous because they are

885
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: just the best of what they do. So what about that?

886
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: And Benito this year from you know, he's had a

887
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: couple of quieter games in December, but overall, that is

888
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: where I'm lean, even though Hutchinson first half of the

889
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: season would have been on my second team. I'm going

890
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Nick Benito also because I'm afraid of him because he

891
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: tweeted negative things about me. Defensive tackle. Maybe you said

892
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: guard was the biggest gap from one to two. Could

893
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: I argue that Jeffrey Simmons the gap at defensive tackle

894
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: maybe from one to two. Maybe not an overall play,

895
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: but just in terms of I feel like he obviously

896
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: to me, has to go on the All Pro team.

897
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: And then the other spot I wasn't really sure about

898
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: is there. Do you think there is that big of

899
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: a gap? Or is Jeffrey Simmons, for all the big

900
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: play like he sometimes is not a big play merchant,

901
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: but like his great snap, his twenty best snaps are

902
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: the best twenty snaps getting defensive linemen, whereas down totown consistency.

903
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: Maybe you can convince me that other defensive tackles are

904
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: in the mix there too.

905
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: No, I still think it's down to down consistency is outstanding. Frankly,

906
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: his average time to pressure the season is two point

907
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: five eight seconds. That is by far the biggest gap

908
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: of any interior defensive lineman. It's almost half a second

909
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: quicker than everyone else in the league, over than Christian

910
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: Barber who plays real snaps. So it just shows how

911
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: quick and dominant he is off the ball. The other

912
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: guy I had in the first team who I think

913
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: is just having one of the most underrated seasons we've

914
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: had in a long time is Cam Hayward with the Steelers. Yeah.

915
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: For him to still be doing it at the level

916
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: he is at this stage of his career, playing hundreds

917
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: of snaps more than the other guys in the list

918
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: who are ten, twelve, thirteen years younger than him, is

919
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: one of the wildest things I've ever seen. He is

920
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: still the full crem of the defense. Without him, the

921
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: entire thing collapses. You watch the Steels against the Browns

922
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: and it's just him and high Smith trying to make

923
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: up for everyone else losing their mind every of the

924
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: play and being in the wrong spot. I think he

925
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: has been so so dominant, and to do it at

926
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, I think it's pretty close

927
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: with him and Simmons, then maybe a slight gap to

928
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: the second team.

929
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: So that I had Simmons kind of by himself, and

930
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: then yeah, I had Hayward, and it was just a list,

931
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: but this was the order of rough order. Hayward, our guy,

932
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: Kobe Turner, and they all are underrated team. We could

933
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: give him even more love had him in the mix.

934
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams is still Leonard Williams and playing well, having

935
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: the good season. Zach Allen has like the Splash production,

936
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: give a little love to Jordan Davis in videvea maybe

937
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: if you're getting further down, but ultimately I think we

938
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: parked their car in the same garage, which is Cam Hayward.

939
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's anyone on a long list

940
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 2: that you just want to give love, or if any

941
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: of those names stood out to you, but just the

942
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: fact they even wrote down Jordan Davis on a long

943
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: list was funny.

944
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I think on that second team for me, it was

945
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the two Seattle guys. I think Leonard Williams and Bira

946
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: Murphia comfortably the number two. You guys think Murphy's intelligence

947
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: is one of the most jarring things I've seen in

948
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: a young play commen's league at that position. When he

949
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: has all the physical capabilities off someone like a Jalen Cots,

950
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: the size, weight, speed, feed on that's all in the

951
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: he is just so far ahead of guys where he's

952
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: at in his career in terms of his development, addressing blocks,

953
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: taking on blocks, double team, single stuff. It's just freaky

954
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to watch him play at the moment. So that could

955
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: maybe something web by the end of next season. It's like, oh,

956
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: this is the guy we were looking for, Jalen Cotts

957
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: to be a down to down absolute destroyer. It's actually

958
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Bira Murphy. But that has happened over the course of

959
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: the final ten weeks of the season.

960
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: And Leonard Williams, if you think of his career playing,

961
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, for those two New York teams, and he

962
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: still is getting a little lost in the shuffle in Seattle,

963
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: just because there's so many good players there. There's still

964
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: like another world where I just feel like he would

965
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: have been more recognized consistently throughout his career and will

966
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: would have a better Canton case in the end, where

967
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: right now, I just knowing how these things go, I

968
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna get seriously, you know, considered, because

969
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: he's always like the fourth best interior defensive line, which

970
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: is an incredible thing to do for ten straight years.

971
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: It is probably worthy of that.

972
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: And now he's fallen into this spot where you get

973
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: with like the march Madness told him where it's like

974
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: the coach and them boys is like how people describe

975
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: teams and much maddness. It's like, well, Mike McDonald is

976
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: the so the defense is good because Mike McDonald is there,

977
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: and you right a lot maybe five six plays and

978
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: maybe he's the fourth all fifth player in the list.

979
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: If that thing does not roll without Lendon Williams, in

980
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: my mind, he would need, I know, like a Super

981
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP with a strip sack fumble, I think, to

982
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: actually wind up, you know, getting the case that is

983
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: not off the off the table this season, I guess.

984
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: But he's unfulishit in the sense that I think that

985
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: by next season he won't even be the best interior

986
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: defensive line on his own team. Even though he's won

987
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: the five best in the league.

988
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: He's never made All Pro. That's crazy. I thought he

989
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: did last year because there was like a little bit

990
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: of like Leonard Williams Defensive Player of the Year buzz,

991
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: but and he did get fourteenth place in Defensive Player

992
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: of the Year, so not a lot of buzz, but

993
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: only only a couple of pro bols like was almost

994
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: defensive Rookie of the Year. Uh, just the guy that

995
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: yes is not created by Mike McDonald because he's been

996
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: the same guy basically his whole career. Let's go to

997
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: the linebackers. This is your favorite position? I don't I

998
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: don't know if it was obvious. I feel like, who's

999
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: at the met to most this year when he's on

1000
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: the field. It was Devin Lloyd, so I'm not gonna

1001
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: knock him for his injured weeks. And then I think

1002
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: it's running back Zach Bond for me. Do you want

1003
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: to make a case for anyone else on the first team?

1004
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: No, those two I think are the correct and you

1005
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: get more of the splash plays with Devin Lloyd boor

1006
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and gives you some splash plays. He's the best all

1007
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: around linebacker in the league. When Fred warn is not

1008
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: healthy and playing, so Bown is the obvious one. Then

1009
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: I think it's Lloyd, But it's a pretty small madge.

1010
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: I for me to the second team, where I had

1011
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: as is al Shaye, who I still think is understated

1012
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: for how good of just a play he is because

1013
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: he's more of like a brand as being like this

1014
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: absolute freaks oid on the field, trying to decapitate everyone

1015
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: in his line of sight. Then my other second team

1016
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: guy was Devin Bush, who we've all recognicent to you

1017
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: mentioned told it's about Castle Sweastry throughout the season. Who's

1018
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: added a sensational rookie season. I think is the defensive

1019
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: rookie of the year. But overlook just how excellent down

1020
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: to down Devin Bush beside him?

1021
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, what a what a career arc And I

1022
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: was afraid. I mean, he he shows up every we

1023
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: including that he was great in that Steelers game last week.

1024
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: I first of all, we agree too much. I purposely

1025
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: didn't listen to your show just to you know, have

1026
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: my own things. But I guess that's good that we're

1027
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: agreeing a lot I had. I had Lloyd and Bond

1028
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: and then I had Jordan Brooks and Alsie year. Jordan

1029
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Brooks to me, just he is from that position. What

1030
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: I want is someone I see every single week like

1031
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: making a real impact and is consistent. So maybe I'm

1032
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: over radium slightly, but I have had him in Alshai

1033
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: year and uh that was that was my second team.

1034
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: But a nice season for Jordan Brooks too, coming from

1035
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: Seattle and going to Miami.

1036
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of inflate to production with

1037
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks. When the when the defensive line is getting

1038
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: bench prest into a lot, you really do rack up

1039
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: the tackle numbers makes people inflate. Actually, how well you

1040
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: play Devin Bush hasn't been fortunate with that because defensive

1041
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: line is completely dominant. You kind of kind of play

1042
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: siftem find football. So I would have Bush pretty comfortably

1043
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: out of Jordan Brooks. But ye has that a good season?

1044
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jordan, you know, Devin Bush with the Browns

1045
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: we should point out. I mean, he was basically viewed

1046
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: as a first round bust has been bouncing around the

1047
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: NFL since then, so it's cool to see him develop

1048
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: like this. But yeah, Bond and I feel like I'm

1049
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: forgetting one other person at linebacker.

1050
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know who you could throw into. Mario Davis,

1051
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: who was being unbelievable at this phase of his great

1052
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: You could throw in Edge Koopa, you could throw in

1053
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Nate Lemon, Divine Diablo. That would be on the long list.

1054
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: But I think it's a pretty close separation just because

1055
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: of the impact and production with load, with the past deflections,

1056
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: hold interceptions obviously He's had game breaking plays and has

1057
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: been good enough down to down where the other guys

1058
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: would being probably just as good down to down, but

1059
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: han't quite had the game breaking place.

1060
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we're to the secondary, and you set me a

1061
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: video of Kamari Lassiter before we started upon the threat

1062
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: of like physical harm that if I did not put

1063
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Kamari Lassiter on the first team, you would get on

1064
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: a plane and come after me, And so I guess

1065
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: we got to do it. So yeah, if you're watching

1066
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: and you could YouTube, you can you can put together

1067
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: or watch a video that Ali lovingly put together. And

1068
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: I felt good about putting him on the first team.

1069
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Let's just start with him before we get to maybe

1070
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: who else would be there? Why? Why is lassed or

1071
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: your guy?

1072
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: He just looks everything like an all pro corner shot

1073
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty five, which is in out versatility,

1074
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: the tied to the formation, playing on the boundary, all

1075
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: the run defense stuff. He is by far the best

1076
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: perimitter run defender in the league now, and in a

1077
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: league that includes Quinnon, Mitchell and some really good attack

1078
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: the run type cornerbacks, he's just leaps and bounds ahead

1079
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: of everyone else. Then, in coverage. He does every single

1080
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: thing you want to textbook technique, where it's bumping, run,

1081
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: picking guys up on the fly, play more off coverage.

1082
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: And he's doing this in a defense with no bells

1083
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: and whistles. They are declaring what they're gonna run before

1084
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: the snap every single time. He's opposite Derek Stingley, so

1085
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna get targeted more. He's like, well,

1086
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: in the top ten in targets this season. People know

1087
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: they got to go after him. Stingly, freelances a whole

1088
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: bunch last placed as a simon, and his perfect basically

1089
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: every single snap, and you see the impact and he

1090
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: goes off the field with the knee injury against the

1091
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: Charges the first and the Charges do say we've got

1092
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: to go hunt the new fish. Luster is off the field.

1093
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: They hit a sixty y odds shot right down the

1094
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: field because they know the Lust is no longer. That's

1095
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: just to me, he is, by technique, the best all

1096
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: around corner in the league this season. Because Pat Sitana's

1097
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: dealt with some hell stuff, he's not moved quite as

1098
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: fluidly for stretch of the season, whereas Lust has been

1099
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: able to do that. I just think he is as

1100
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: like coaching goes on what do I want a cornerback

1101
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: to look like? Both attacking the wrong game of playing

1102
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: and coverage. He's had the best all around season of everyone.

1103
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love I love a complete

1104
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: physical corner who also just moves as fluidly as he does.

1105
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: He is an awesome player, so he is part of

1106
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: our first team. So you mentioned Sertan, who has had

1107
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: great moments this year, had the injury and it seemed

1108
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: to affect him for a little bit. The All Pro

1109
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: team does give three cornerbacks because they kind of reserves

1110
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: a spot for a slot, which I don't think you

1111
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: have to make it into a slot and less one

1112
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: is obvious. But Cooper Dejene is certainly a good option

1113
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: to put there if you wanted to. You mentioned Mitchell,

1114
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: you mentioned Stingly. I think those are some of the

1115
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: best options there for the first team. I was leaning

1116
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: I was probably leaning Quinyon and Dejene, but I don't

1117
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: know where are you looking.

1118
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: I think Degene. If you're just having a set Nickel spot,

1119
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: go with Degene, and that is really tight because then

1120
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: you can bring in Petrie, you can bring in Brian Bryant.

1121
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: He gets pretty squarely.

1122
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: If you think Prie on either my second team or

1123
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: is it safety, it gets a little confusing.

1124
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so, but I would go with Degene at

1125
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: Nicol the second cornerback spot. If you're just saying primitive

1126
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: outside boundary corner that is really tight. I went with Stingly.

1127
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I like the playmaking upside with Stingley. I like rewarding

1128
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: the Texans for having I think the best back seven

1129
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: in recent times. They are the best defense in the

1130
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: NFL playing as I said, head up, straight up, you

1131
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: know what we're doing football. Everyone else ring all these

1132
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: confusing systems and schemes, and they say, no, we run

1133
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: exactly what we run every the down. You know what's happening,

1134
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: and we want people down because Colinas are so duminant,

1135
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to build luster and Stingly on

1136
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: the team together.

1137
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: And some of Stingley's coverage numbers in terms of just

1138
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, people not throwing at them, and when they

1139
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: do throw at them, they are just absolutely outrageous. I

1140
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: do like making a statement that it's this epic like

1141
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: historic secondary and like Caden Bullock, isn't that crazy of

1142
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: a guy to think about for like a first or

1143
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: second team at safety. But there is a world where

1144
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: we put Stingley on the first team and then we

1145
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: put Petrie at safety, and you have three Texans defensive

1146
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: backs on the first team All Pro. Are you comfortable

1147
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: with that, because I think Petrie is where I would

1148
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: go as my safety if that was the case. Then

1149
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: taking care of, you know, the cornerbacks. I think I'm

1150
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: putting Quinyon on the second team. Let's wrap the the

1151
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: cornerback discussion, because I think that's where I'm ready to

1152
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: go along with you there that I would put Quinyon

1153
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: on the second team. And then there's you know, some

1154
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: other interesting names. DJ Turner is not a crazy name.

1155
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: I don't think Christian Bedford is not a crazy name.

1156
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: Jamel Dean had his moments this year. Maybe he doesn't

1157
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: get across the finish line here. I love me some

1158
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis, I don't like if I'm making a third

1159
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if he quite makes uh this second

1160
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: team here. But if we're if we're allowed to reward

1161
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: six cornerbacks, basically we'd have the two Texans and Dejene

1162
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: on the first team. I think, man, I guess then

1163
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: you've got to go Tan and Quinnan tell me your

1164
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: thought process going through the second team.

1165
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: Yah, So ten has to be on the best colon

1166
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: I've since devel Reebis And as long as he's alive

1167
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: and healthy, he's making my team every single year. I

1168
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: just pencil him in there. And he's had a good season,

1169
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: it's not exactly like he's been surpassed. I think this year. Right,

1170
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: of the guys, the one that is difficult to leave

1171
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: off if you take it down to three, I think

1172
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: is Christian Benford then kind of changing mid stream and

1173
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: saying we have no pass rushing, no way to stop

1174
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: the room. The only thing we can do is five

1175
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: Christian Benfin into the line of scrimmage as often as

1176
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: possible to fix everything for us. And it actually worked

1177
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: for a time. People will see the false full molliainst

1178
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: Joe Borrow in the game against the Bengals. Whey, he

1179
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: made a whole bunch of plays. But that was just

1180
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: their recipe down the stretch of the seasons. Like the

1181
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: only thing that can save us is moul Benford. And

1182
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: so if I see a defensive staff, decide to do

1183
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: that with a defensive head coach tells me they believe

1184
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: the guys won the best.

1185
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: In the league, all right, And I think he was

1186
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 2: right on the border, And so that means the second

1187
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: team for me, I'm not putting Petrie there at cornerback

1188
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: would be Quinnon, Mitchell, Christian Benford and Pat Tritan, which

1189
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: is an outrageous second team at cornerback. And so that's

1190
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: our second team. And then I'm bumping Petrie back to

1191
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: safety because I wasn't sure where else to go at

1192
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: safety other than him and Kyle Hamilton. There's certainly other

1193
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: options like Caden Bullock. Who else stands out? Are you

1194
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: okay with Petrie and Hamilton as your safeties?

1195
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay with all things. I would have Peatris the

1196
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: MVP if the you know, the league would allow it,

1197
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: if it wasn't just a quarte about it. If I

1198
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: don't have children. If I had children, I'd have a

1199
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: hard time loving them more than I love Jalen Petrie.

1200
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: I just think he's I.

1201
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: Mean, he's similarly age. You're a young man, so maybe

1202
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: maybe a brother it would make more sense.

1203
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: Yes, go and look at the on off splits, which

1204
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: is tricky with football compared to the NBS something like that.

1205
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: But the on off splits of Jalen Petrie are so

1206
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: profound for a team we know is loaded with talent.

1207
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: You just put two corners on the first team All Pro.

1208
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: You talked about Bud and Will Anderson the first team

1209
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: All Pro. It is dramatic night and day difference from

1210
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: being historically one of the greatest defenses in the history

1211
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: of the league. Too, really really good when Jalen Peatre

1212
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: is on the field or off field, and every single

1213
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: face at the game, rung, game, pass, game everything. So

1214
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to not have Jalen Petrie on that.

1215
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: If you don't put him at nickel, you've got to

1216
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: put him back there at safety. Other people are doing James.

1217
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it's been unbelievable this season in a redefined

1218
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: role playm all of a blitz, a close line of

1219
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: scrimmage that Bell so he's the other tight one. But

1220
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: if you're util one off head to head, I calim

1221
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: book doing James ahead of Kyle Hamilton.

1222
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's he was the next guy I wrote down Derwin.

1223
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really picking knits because he's been incredible.

1224
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: There was like a three week stretch where that defense

1225
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: didn't seem like they knew what they were doing, and

1226
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: he was a part of it. But the rest of

1227
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: the season he's been like a new I wouldn't even

1228
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: say Peekee Derwin James because it's like a new Derwin James.

1229
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: An incredible career. He's gonna have an interesting case for

1230
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: Caton someday. So if we're doing a second team, he

1231
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: can go there. But let's go Hamilton and Petrie on

1232
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: the first team. And then Quinton Lake was having a

1233
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: great season. David McKinney still a good player and is

1234
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: in the mix. Antoine Winfield I think rebounded this year.

1235
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: Kevin Byrd's still making plays at his age, but I

1236
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: feel good about her.

1237
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: The other guy I would throw in there is Telenoa Hafanga,

1238
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: who okay, again, another meal Coop won from me when

1239
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was completely cooked in San Francisco and

1240
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: had gone from underrated the roastly overrated because he flies

1241
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: around and has the hair. People could just see him

1242
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: on the field and thought he was outstanding, and I

1243
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: just thought his legs had gone by the time they

1244
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: got into Denver, and Denver hired Jim Lend from Wisconsin

1245
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: this offseason, to get more of the safety involved in

1246
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: attacking the line of scrimmage, and he has returned and

1247
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: played at a level I think even better than he

1248
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco. You go and look at some

1249
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: of the run stop numbers, the run stuff numbers. He's

1250
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: just all over the field all times. And they've changed

1251
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: their entire pass for a structure over a couple of

1252
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: seasons from the all out, crazy wonky blitz stuff to

1253
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: more of a four down rush because they've got Nick

1254
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Benito and this season a five man pass rush because

1255
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: they typed Tolenowa Hafanga into the thing. And he's played

1256
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: at a crazy level. So I think him and Derwin

1257
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: for me is pretty tight.

1258
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: We need to write these downs, etch them in Stone.

1259
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: I want to get it on to the PFF site

1260
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: that URL Pro team also gets there, and I want

1261
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: them to recognize Kayami Fairbairn too as my All Pro kicker.

1262
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if you went All Pro kicker, but

1263
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: I love me some Kaymi. You can go in a

1264
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: few spots. The kicker position has never been better, but

1265
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm going Kayami Fair Why not?

1266
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: And and Mary DK for All Pro returner getting a

1267
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: rookie to do that.

1268
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the I it kind of snuck up on me

1269
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: that he set the all purpose record, which is like

1270
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: a weird stat but because he was, you know, punt returner,

1271
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: kick returner, and uh also getting it done as a

1272
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: as a receiver. Yes, he would be the All Pro

1273
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: returner this year. What a sneaky good rookie class by

1274
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 2: the Titans. They just gotta they just got to build

1275
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: on that and find a coach other than Mike McCoy.

1276
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: We got to the end of the season, I was like,

1277
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: what was the point of hiring I mean of firing

1278
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 2: uh Callahan and Dable so early, Like, yeah, I guess

1279
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: they were worth getting fit, but there was no point

1280
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: to it.

1281
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: Whenever you can get a head start on interview Mattinagi,

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Speaker 1: it's gotta be done. You just gotta do it.

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Speaker 2: Like at the time, I wasn't questioning it, and then

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Speaker 2: and I get it. You just feel like you need

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Speaker 2: to get like some some satisfaction and and make the

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Speaker 2: fans happy. But then the rest of the season was

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Speaker 2: pointless and your quarterbacks probably were worse offware But that's

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Speaker 2: another podcast. We did it. We went longer than I expected,

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Speaker 2: but I'm really glad we got our All Pro team

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Speaker 2: in and like I mentioned, we'll do some awards talk

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Speaker 2: next week, but we got big games to talk about

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Speaker 2: this weekend and then the playoffs. You're going to be

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Speaker 2: along for the ride, are you? Are you scouting these

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Speaker 2: college football playoff games over there in the UK? I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm deep into them. The most loaded linebacker class we've

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Speaker 1: had in a long long time. On one team, we

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Speaker 1: got two first round is It's very very exciting. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 2: Then give me, like a non quarterback, give me a

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Speaker 2: defensive player or two to watch this week specifically that's

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Speaker 2: playing in these college football games that you like.

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Speaker 1: You go to just watch the Ohio State defense, My boy,

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia cooking everyone alive in college football. You watch

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Speaker 1: all of el recent Sonny Styles, the linebackers from Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: allvel Reese the most dominant player in the count. We

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Speaker 1: should be the second overall pick in the draft. Probably

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Speaker 1: won't be by the time the draft rolls around. Sonny

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Speaker 1: Style should be a top ten pick in the draft. CJ.

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Speaker 1: Allen with Georgia another dominant linebacker. We all we are

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Speaker 1: truly rolling about six seven eight linebackers deep. You should

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Speaker 1: be worthy of first round consideration and a pretty i

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Speaker 1: would say weakish mediocre top into the first round this year.

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Speaker 2: All right, get you, Get you an analyst that can

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Speaker 2: do both. We're gonna be hitting the draft heavier than

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Speaker 2: ever on NFL daily this offseason with the help of

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Speaker 2: Ali Connelly and then on forties and free agents with

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah, which will be back weekly pretty soon before that, though,

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Speaker 2: we will have our pick show in this feed on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Cynthia and I. Unfortunately my twelve straight winning week streak

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Speaker 2: came to an end because of the Atlanta freaking Falcons,

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Speaker 2: but we're gonna get back on the winning side this week,

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Speaker 2: so that'll be on Friday before all the games this weekend,

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Speaker 2: we will see them