WEBVTT - #593 Packers Unscripted: OTAs underway 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:10.680 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.720 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.120 trusted colleague Weston Hodkoits for coming to you here from 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.279 our studios at lambeau Field and west O t A 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.480 season is underway. The Packers have kicked off the final 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.040 phase of the off season program, which includes a few 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.240 weeks of O T A S and a mandatory minicamp. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.480 We got our first look at I guess you'd say, 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.320 the first practice of aside from rookie minicamp, which we 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:42.000 talked about on a previous show. Um, Tuesday's workout at 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:47.159 Clarke hinkle Field. Fortunately the weather cooperated and as expected, 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.519 Aaron Rodgers not in attendance, Blake Bortles in attendance but 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.920 not yet suited up. Matt Lafleur said, Um, the new 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.319 free agent quarterback would be worked into the mix here 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.720 soon enough. So that really made Tuesday's practice kind of 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.000 the Jordan's Love show. Um, he got all the all 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.319 the reps with the ones when it came to seven 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.520 on sevens and some less than full speed eleven on 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.080 eleven stuff, and this is gonna be some important time. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.160 Regardless of what happens with Aaron Rodgers, this is important 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.640 time for Jordan's Love. So Mike, I am going to 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.560 venture to guess, and as always as I do with 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.039 our show, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.119 venture to guess. You saw you personally saw Jordan's Love 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.160 throw more yesterday at the time in which we're taking this. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.000 You saw the most you've seen him throw on Tuesday 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.200 than you did through training camp last year. The reason 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.679 I say that is because Jordan's Love did not get 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.720 many reps during the team periods in camp last year. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.280 The reps he did get we're during that young guy period, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.760 which is when you had to go back to set 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.640 up for the mantelfloor press conference. And I actually kind 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.080 of stuck around because I had a little bit more 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.760 leeway to watch those. But for people in media people, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.920 am I right in that? Do you think? Yeah? Probably? 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.480 I mean, I I do recall, I do recall I 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.400 got to see one of those extra the ten minute 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.960 like young guy periods during training camp last year when 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.400 he was doing all the eleven on eleven stuff. But yeah, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.160 other than that, one day, um, certainly, Tuesday of this 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.040 week was was the most I've seen Jordan's Love in 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.640 action since he came to and You're not alone. There 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.839 were a lot of media folks that would leave during 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.799 those practices because they had to get back to set 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.320 up for zoom calls. So what the point I'm trying 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.560 to illustrate with all that is? Last year it was 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.399 the Aaron Rodgers Show. Obviously in whatever two reps were 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.480 there would fall to Tim Boyle, Jordan's Love. Whatever is 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.200 going on outside of sixty Lombardi Avenue right now, this 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.880 is a golden opportunity for this young man to actually 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.280 get some work, to be able to take everything he 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.880 did last season, all the book work, every all that 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.560 side of things, and then the off season training and 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.360 really get it going in some real simulations. So seeing 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.880 him work seven on sevens and some of these other drills. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.720 Again it's non contact, it's not highly competitive, but being 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.480 able to navigate and appreciate and and sort of operate 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.000 this offense um that was really Jordan's Love's first opportunity 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.880 to do so. And with the fact that Bordles wasn't 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.440 practicing yet Kirk ben Kirk Kirk ben Kurt was the 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.680 other quarterback. It was as you said that Jordan's love show. Yeah, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.280 and I mentioned in uh in Insider in box. I mean, 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.400 I'm not going to make any grand evaluations of Jordan's love, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.520 certainly when the players are not necessarily going full speed 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.160 and all that. I know there's going to be a 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.200 lot of attention on him and all that, I get it. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.800 But I was reminded in seeing him in Tuesday's practice 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.560 that he showed last year, even in the limited work 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.400 we saw him in training camp. He's got an NFL arm. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.800 You can see the ball come out of his hand, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.840 with the velocity, with the with the purpose, with the speed. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.560 That's what you want to see from an NFL quarterback. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.560 And he's got that. He he has it. It's a matter, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.320 it's a matter of putting all the other stuff together. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.160 And that's what these next several weeks are going to 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.400 before to lead him into his second NFL training camp 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 with all this spring work that he did not get 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.360 as a rookie because there was no rookie mining camp, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.080 there were no O T A s, there was no 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.520 full squad mandatory, meaning all that was gone last year. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.560 Training camp was his first, you know, real opportunity to 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.640 put on a helmet and go out there and practice 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.520 as a Green Bay Packer. He's getting the spring work 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.400 now that that's going to be really important for him 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.080 heading into late summer and with the ramp up period. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.320 Last year, training camp was pretty much two and a 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.800 half weeks when you really boil it down in terms 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.919 of being able to prepare for that week one game 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.839 and and start getting your mentality going from a summertime 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.560 competition and training to legitimately preparing for an opponent. So 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.640 that that was a big shift there too. That's when 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.120 it's not so much on Jordan's love. And you know, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.200 we haven't had a chance to talk the offensive coaches yet. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.240 I'll be really interesting to see what Luke Um you know, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.120 Getsy has to say, the Packers quarterbacks coach. He's the 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.680 one that would often stay behind with him after practice 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.680 and work with them, you know. Aaron Jones, as he 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.600 was talking with the media, mentioned that him and aj 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.159 Dillon would you know, they'd stick around on Saturdays and 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.560 go through some stuff with them just to make sure 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.640 that he was ready, you know. And and I give 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.400 Jordan a lot of credit to much like Tim Boyle 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.640 did during his first two years in the league. When 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.120 he was inactive or he wasn't playing, he would come 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.839 out and he would go through the drills and the 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.720 warm ups and the walkthrough before the team came out. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.600 Just go and do you know he corral a practice 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.920 squad receiver and go and do you know those type 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.359 of things that get the throws in. Jordan's love followed 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.920 that template, and you know you heard Aaron Rodgers even 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.120 talk about it. I mean, this kid has come in 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.560 and he's done everything right. He's a twenty two year old, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.800 He's a guy with a first round pedigree. There's still 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.000 a lot of kinks to be worked out, but but 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.960 certainly he's capable. He belongs in and for a guy 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.520 that it soaks in as much information is from what 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.039 we've heard from his coaches and at Utah State, I 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.880 think that this is gonna be really beneficial for him 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.400 in the long run. Yeah. I want to get to 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.760 a couple of other key thoughts with regard to the 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.880 offense here. But first, serious x M NFL Radio delivers 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.120 hard hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL news 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:13.719 that true football fanatics need. Seven three al right, West, Well, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.760 if we were to say there was a legitimate piece 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.480 of news that came out of this first O T 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:25.400 A practice. It would have to do with, Yeah, I 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.960 mentioned in our Three Things I Couldn't resist. It's like, yeah, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.480 well you want something from this practice. A J. Dillon 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.200 Stys did not get into smaller in the off season, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.280 So yeah, I had to throw that into our three 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.760 Themes video. But um no, the we're getting a sense 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.400 of what the Packers, I don't know if you want 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.040 to call it the plan or the preference. At this point, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.839 you know you can parse the words there. But the 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.440 way they seem to be proceeding right now with the 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.320 offensive line in David Bakti's absence and not knowing exactly 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.359 what bok Tis timeline is going to be. What we 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.120 saw with the number one unit on Tuesday is at 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.800 Elton Jenkins is lining up at left tackle, Billy Turner 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.960 is over at right tackle, the rookie Josh Myers is 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.840 with the first unit at center, and then you have 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.240 Lucas Patrick and John Runyon Jr. As the first up 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.240 at guards. And we'll see as things go through O 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.520 T S and then obviously it will matter even more 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.400 with how we see them line up at the start 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.920 of training camp. But this is kind of our first 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.680 taste of of what it looks like the Packers want 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.280 to do, which is to have Elton Jenkins fill that 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.880 stead at left tackle until box tr can come back. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.400 And then also that Josh Meyers, the second round draft 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.680 pick from Ohio State, is no, he's not going to 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.760 be handed the center job, but he is going to 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.720 be given every opportunity to win that job and to 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.760 and to potentially start in Week one as a rookie 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.360 for Green Bay. It kind of reminds you of Darnell 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.520 Savage a little bit. Right came in two years and 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.840 that's a good point. He was back there with the secondary. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.960 He was in the starting safety spot. You go back 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.360 historically into the Mike mccarthur era, and a lot of 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.880 coaches did it this way. Eddie Lacy gets drafted, Eddie 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.520 Lacey is still the fourth guy taking reps back in 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.040 that training or that offseason program in two thousand Packers 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.440 last year or two years ago. They knew Savage was 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.600 the guy, they put him there. I'm not saying Myers 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.080 is the guy, but they actually do have options at 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.520 center depending on what they wanted to do. Lucas Patrick 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.440 has played a lot of center at this point, so 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.480 the fact that Jenks could play center to you can play, 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.000 you know, they can put him fret receiver if they 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.840 needed him to. But my main takeaway from that is 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.240 you want to talk about a guy getting reps and 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.560 being able to just get comfortable in a spot. That's 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.360 what they did last year with John Runny, and that's 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:37.960 the way they started to train guys. So I think 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.760 it speaks volumes that that's the starting point for Josh Myers. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.920 As far as Elton Jenkins is concerned. Adam Stanovich might 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.880 disagree with me on this, the scouts may say, the 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.480 coaches might say I'm wrong on this. I honestly think 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.600 he could take every snap at left tackle during the 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.839 off season program, during training camp, and I still think 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.800 he can be a Pro Bowl left guard whenever they 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.480 want him to go back to that spot. I think 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.560 we've learned enough about this young man in terms of 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.280 his muscle memory, his intelligence, and honest to God, just 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.360 how talented this dude is that he can he can 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.640 make that Mike last year that that should have been 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.080 a disaster when they lost Corey Linsley. They didn't have 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.679 a handpicked successor at at center when he was out 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.439 for those three games, Elton Jenkins made that look as 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.520 easy as it could have been. I covered the Packers 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.760 when they had Jeff Saturday there for thirteen weeks. It's 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.600 not supposed to be that seamless for a guy to 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.679 step in, and that's what happened, And I just I 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.120 have a lot of respect for him in that In 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.920 that regard, but as far as left tackle is concerned, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.400 that's a different spot. You need to get your reps 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.040 in there, and he's the most qualified of anybody that 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.720 to take him if that's the direction you want to go. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.360 And as I'll keep saying, I was really, really really 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.160 impressed with Billy Turner last year at right tackle. I 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.440 know he's versatile, I know he can play a number 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.000 of different spots, but boy, when he just was at 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.719 right tackle, I thought he was pretty dang good. So 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.160 at the end of the day, I don't think there 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.800 was any massive surprises with how the offensive line looked. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.720 But but certainly when you factor in all these multitude 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.920 of reserves they have, Mike, there are still a lot 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.920 of options there depending on how this plays out this summer. Yeah, absolutely, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.840 we're going to We're going to see competition throughout the summer, 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.120 and not just with regard to you know, is the 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.240 rookie Josh Meyer is gonna win that starting center job. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.800 But you look at you look at the guard spots. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.440 I mean Royce Newman, the fourth round pick from Ole 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.160 Miss might be getting a look at guard Cole van 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:32.080 Land and you know he could be playing guard or tackle. Um, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.280 I know, I'm forgetting some other guys who are Ben 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.720 Braden's another guy who's going to be in that mix 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.920 at guard too. So yesh Nidge Man, I mean you 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.680 talk about Cole van Land and not to jump over you, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.320 but I said this Mike and inbox, and I'll reiterated 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.600 on this show. We'll see what happens with Simon Stepanek 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.640 coming back from coming back from the knee injury, take 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.040 Hanson's back after finishing last year on practice squad injured. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.200 So a lot of different things that can happen. And 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.679 it's not a proven offensive line like they were so 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.760 many times in the mid two thousand tents where you 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.760 just knew who the starting five was or at least 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.319 what most of those components are. Gonna be a lot 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.640 more questions, But They have so many different ways that 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.320 they can go, depending on, you know, how certain dominoes fall. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:12.760 Oh and by the way, at some point, you're getting 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.520 back a five time All proloft tackle. Yeah, absolutely, that's 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.240 gonna be uh and and we will see, you know, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.600 we don't know exactly when we're going to get the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.040 update or if anything definitive is going to be said 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.800 on when David Baktari will be back. Um. Obviously the 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.640 Packers want to get him back as soon as possible, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.800 but but they're they're going to plan obviously, they have 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.920 to plan for for his absence at the start of 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.400 the season, and if he does miraculously, I think it 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.160 would be an incredible feat for him to make it 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.560 back for the start of the regular season. Mattel Fleur 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.200 has said. Brian Gudukuins has said, they're not ruling it out, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.360 but you have to be prepared two start the season 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.200 without We'll think about what happened, you know what, Brian Bulaga, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.520 you know, in the Packers, they had a plan. Blaga 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.560 didn't participate in the off season program obvious sleep coming 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.160 off an injury of that scale. He was out for 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.439 all but one week of the training camp. He did 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.840 end up coming back and playing in that preseason finale. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.960 I think he took maybe two series a right time, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.480 took a handful of snaps there, but otherwise it was 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.840 different players at right tack. I'm trying to remember if 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.080 it was Jason Spriggs. It might have even been Kyle Murphy. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.800 I can't exactly remember, but they had the backup plan, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.040 the plan be ready. That's the same thing here. You 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.959 know you're not going to have David Boxer during the 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.679 offseason program. Okay, who can we give those reps too? 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.839 That it could be beneficial for once you get into 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.960 the fall. Yeah, well, switching gears to the defensive side 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.959 of the ball, and again, we're not going to be 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.400 able to tell a whole lot during O T A 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.800 S and I know everything now, honestly. Well, we'll see 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.800 what happens in the preseason games in August in terms 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.240 of what we see from new defensive coordinator Joe Barry's unit. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:55.360 But we got a sense from the media zoom calls 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.360 that we did after practice on Tuesday that there are 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.480 a couple of things is going on here with regard 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.120 to Joe Berry and having all of these position coaches 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.360 who are back from the previous regime and now he's 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.760 the he's the new guy at the head of the defense. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.400 It's kind of using from what we can understand, he's 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:20.079 kind of using these assistant coaches both as evaluators in 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.240 terms of, Okay, tell me what your guys that your positions, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.520 tell me what they do best. You know, here, here's 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.200 the scheme, this is the stuff I want to do, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.120 Like who are the guys that you know that can 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.440 do this? And Joe berry Is, I'm sure has looked 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.480 at film and has developed some of his own opinions, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.800 but he's going to rely on those views of the 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.280 position coaches who have been around these guys for at 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.840 least a year or two or in some cases longer. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.559 But then also we kind of got a sense from 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.760 Kenny Clark that there's a little bit of translating going on. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.439 Anytime you have a new system, a new playbook, there's 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:57.120 different terminology, the language is different. And Kenny Clark was 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.240 talking about how he's kind of using Jerry Montgomer, his 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.240 position coach, to explain to him, Okay, when when we 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.400 say this, like last year, that's what like here was 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.280 the word for it. You know, like there's this translation 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.040 that the players are using their position coaches to help, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.880 you know, complete that circle, to make the transition to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.080 to the new scheme, and to learn the new language, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.360 so that by the time you get to the regular season, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.760 it's it's become ingrained and it gets to be second nature. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.880 It's an interesting dynamic, I think, because you don't often 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.640 see a new defensive coordinator come in, but all of 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.160 the position coaches on his staff are the same guys 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.800 you know who are here previously. That doesn't happen all 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.760 the time, and I think it could be something that 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.240 works out really well for Green Bay here. Yeah, honestly 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.640 they might. It might be someone on precedented to have 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.760 a defensive where other than a few quality control coaches, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.120 everybody's back u other than who the defensive coordinator is now, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.440 certainly a lot played into those decisions. But I think 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.000 what the ding thing is, and I structured this question 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.600 of both Kenny and Adrian Amoss on Tuesday, is that 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.320 you have you have a new system, you have a 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.760 new philosophy, but you have the same coaches being able 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.720 to relay that information, and also you have a bulk 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.240 of the same defense that's still together, um and if 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.840 nothing else, they've only added to it. Certainly, you know, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.400 Raven Green moved on, he's in Tampa Bay. But otherwise 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.720 it pretty much looks like the same personnel that they're 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.240 gonna have to pull from, which was a young group 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.200 to begin with. So you're looking for your you know, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.360 who's gonna be the next Gi or Alexander. You're looking 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.320 for who could potentially be a guy that steps up 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.800 and surprises you like Chris Barnes did last year. All 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.960 of those cards are on the table for them right now. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.960 But at this point in time, I think being able 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.920 to understand what the vision is for Barry is going 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:51.960 to be the best thing that's going to happen throughout 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.000 this offseason program for this defense because it's a top 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.440 tend defense. Now they were category categorically, that's where they 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.640 fit less season. The question is now, can you go 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.240 from being a really good defense that had moments of 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.520 greatness to being dominant because there is a shift there. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.720 We saw it last year with Tampa Bay, We've seen 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.080 it in past years with the San Francisco's. Once if 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.320 you can be a suffocating unit, that's when you dictate 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.760 the terms of the game and how it's played. And 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.880 I think there's a lot of confidence inside that locker 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.480 room that they were close last year and they hope 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.720 that this might be the thing that helps them reach 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.600 that next level. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, the other new coordinator 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.000 the Packers have obviously a special teams coordinator, Maury Straiton. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.720 And I kind of got a kick out of watching, uh, 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:42.560 the special teams period in Tuesday's practice, because you remember, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.960 I know you remember when Sean Slocum was here as 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.960 special teams coordinator, and he he would wear a headset, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.600 you know, to be over the p A to sort 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.240 of bark constructions in this and and in Shawn's defense, 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.720 it started as something where he was having a little 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.880 bit of laryngitis and so he couldn't yell on the 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.160 practice field, so they gave him a headset so that 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.159 he could just talk at like a normal tone, but 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.119 it would be projected throughout the whole practice field. Well, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.199 morey straightened and Tuesday's practice during the special teams period, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.800 he doesn't need a headset, he doesn't need a p A, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.880 he doesn't need a speaker. You could hear that guy. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.600 And everything we heard from Matt Lafleur, about the energy, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.480 about the voice, about the teacher that is in him. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.320 It was all on display during that whatever it was 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.480 roughly fift twenty minute Special Teams period. In Tuesday's practice, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.840 Morey Straiton is uh is taking charge and he's he's 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.680 clearly trying to create a new sort of culture with 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.720 regard to how these drills and practices go on Special 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.720 teams on his watch, it was fun. I think that 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.199 was my main take. It was a lot of fun. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.000 Even when the Special Teams period was over. Mo was 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.640 having fun with some of the media members too, who 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.240 were trying to do like the establishing shot. You ever 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.320 watch your your evening news for like he have the 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.840 shot of the football with the player's feet in the background, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.680 and then they use that as their first shot. It's 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.040 just all rudimentary type stuff. That's what they do. Moe 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:08.320 comes up and he's like, hey, do you need to 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.680 you know, kind of repositions the ball so you get 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.520 like the NFL logo drunk and something really nice because 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.840 the media can't do that. It just he was having 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.639 fun with it and you could hear the energy in 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.119 his voice. And I'll be honest with you, this is 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.720 not a dig on on Sean Meninger, Ron Zook or 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.800 Seawan anybody. Um. And maybe it's only because I was 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.320 paying more attention to special teams in this practice than 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.440 maybe I've paid attention to in the past. But boy, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.760 there was there seemed those guys knew what they were 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.800 doing out there. I mean that there was as much 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.240 as it was more of a pace tempo walk through tempo. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.400 The special teams. They made some changes the way they're 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.320 structuring drills and how doughnuts are using things of that nature, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.360 and there didn't appear to be a big hold up there. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.560 And that's an impressive thing when you're dealing with fifty 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.080 to sixty guys and those special teams units, a lot 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.440 of whom are competing for roster spots are not back 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.880 from last season. Uh that that caught eye a little bit. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.880 And the thing, I'm excited to learn more about him 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.760 and his philosophies and seeing, you know, you had a 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.520 guy like a Mari Rodgers into the conversation. You get 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.560 some exciting players that could potentially spark that unit. It's 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.880 it's an open canvas right now. They're just trying to 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.359 put their best foot forward. After what was a pretty 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.560 down season a year ago. And and I just I 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.959 think that with an infectious energy like that, with what 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.960 Drayton has, and especially in acknowledging some of those past 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.040 coordinators who had success in Green Bay, I really do 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.119 believe that that that could be something that helps that 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.560 special Teams unit turn a corner. Here. Well, we will 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.520 get another look at an O T A practice next week. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.600