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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my

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Speaker 1: trusted colleague Weston Hodkoits for coming to you here from

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Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field and west O t A

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Speaker 1: season is underway. The Packers have kicked off the final

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Speaker 1: phase of the off season program, which includes a few

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Speaker 1: weeks of O T A S and a mandatory minicamp.

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Speaker 1: We got our first look at I guess you'd say,

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Speaker 1: the first practice of aside from rookie minicamp, which we

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Speaker 1: talked about on a previous show. Um, Tuesday's workout at

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Speaker 1: Clarke hinkle Field. Fortunately the weather cooperated and as expected,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers not in attendance, Blake Bortles in attendance but

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Speaker 1: not yet suited up. Matt Lafleur said, Um, the new

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Speaker 1: soon enough. So that really made Tuesday's practice kind of

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Speaker 1: the Jordan's Love show. Um, he got all the all

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Speaker 1: the reps with the ones when it came to seven

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Speaker 1: on sevens and some less than full speed eleven on

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Speaker 1: Regardless of what happens with Aaron Rodgers, this is important

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Speaker 1: time for Jordan's Love. So Mike, I am going to

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Speaker 1: venture to guess, and as always as I do with

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Speaker 1: venture to guess. You saw you personally saw Jordan's Love

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Speaker 1: throw more yesterday at the time in which we're taking this.

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Speaker 1: You saw the most you've seen him throw on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: than you did through training camp last year. The reason

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Speaker 1: I say that is because Jordan's Love did not get

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Speaker 1: many reps during the team periods in camp last year.

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Speaker 1: The reps he did get we're during that young guy period,

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Speaker 1: up for the mantelfloor press conference. And I actually kind

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Speaker 1: leeway to watch those. But for people in media people,

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Speaker 1: am I right in that? Do you think? Yeah? Probably?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I do recall, I do recall I

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Speaker 1: got to see one of those extra the ten minute

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Speaker 1: other than that, one day, um, certainly, Tuesday of this

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Speaker 1: action since he came to and You're not alone. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of media folks that would leave during

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Speaker 1: those practices because they had to get back to set

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Speaker 1: up for zoom calls. So what the point I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to illustrate with all that is? Last year it was

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers Show. Obviously in whatever two reps were

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Speaker 1: there would fall to Tim Boyle, Jordan's Love. Whatever is

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Speaker 1: going on outside of sixty Lombardi Avenue right now, this

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Speaker 1: is a golden opportunity for this young man to actually

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Speaker 1: did last season, all the book work, every all that

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Speaker 1: really get it going in some real simulations. So seeing

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Speaker 1: him work seven on sevens and some of these other drills.

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Speaker 1: Again it's non contact, it's not highly competitive, but being

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Speaker 1: this offense um that was really Jordan's Love's first opportunity

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Speaker 1: other quarterback. It was as you said that Jordan's love show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mentioned in uh in Insider in box. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to make any grand evaluations of Jordan's love,

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Speaker 1: certainly when the players are not necessarily going full speed

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Speaker 1: But I was reminded in seeing him in Tuesday's practice

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Speaker 1: You can see the ball come out of his hand,

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Speaker 1: with the velocity, with the with the purpose, with the speed.

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Speaker 1: That's what you want to see from an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And he's got that. He he has it. It's a matter,

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of putting all the other stuff together.

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Speaker 1: Training camp was his first, you know, real opportunity to

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Speaker 1: it's not so much on Jordan's love. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll be really interesting to see what Luke Um you know,

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Speaker 1: one that would often stay behind with him after practice

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Speaker 1: He's a guy with a first round pedigree. There's still

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Speaker 1: certainly he's capable. He belongs in and for a guy

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Speaker 1: if we were to say there was a legitimate piece

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Speaker 1: And as I'll keep saying, I was really, really really

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Speaker 1: But but certainly when you factor in all these multitude

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Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all

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