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Speaker 1: Y'all, this is probably one of the most incredible conversations

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Speaker 1: that I've had the privilege to witness. Detective David Quinn

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Speaker 1: interviewed Amon Presley for six hours. Mister Presley confessed to

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Speaker 1: killing his four victims. David Quinn one of the best

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Speaker 1: cops in Atlanta history. We have been able to work

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Speaker 1: together on some cold cases. You know him from atl homicide.

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Speaker 1: He and Vince Velasquaez. We call them Hollywood and HollyHood

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Speaker 1: and tonight, HollyHood. Honey is in the house. He is kind,

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Speaker 1: he is smart, he is gracious, he is kind, he

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Speaker 1: is kind. He's one of the best people that I know.

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Speaker 1: He is street smart, but he's got away with people

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Speaker 1: just this easy connection. He truly legitimately cares. And tonight,

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Speaker 1: Detective David Quinn and Amon Presley are reunited for the

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Speaker 1: first time since that interview. Detective Quinn, I'm gonna let

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Speaker 1: you take it away.

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, Cheryl, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 2: this incredible show you have. I mean, we know in

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Speaker 2: this business that there are no winners. There are no winners,

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Speaker 2: but you know, going forward, the future becomes the winner.

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Speaker 2: And how we respond and we react to these awful situations.

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Speaker 2: So as a longtime friend, I'm just I'm extra gracious.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you have me on your platform. This is

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Speaker 2: the case that I have to say tragic as it

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Speaker 2: was my life and it changed a lot of things

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Speaker 2: the ways I do things. It was my very last case.

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Speaker 2: I was in my thirtieth year. It was my very

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Speaker 2: last homicide that I was assigned, and I never knew

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Speaker 2: it would take, you know, these kinds of avenues. That

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Speaker 2: five and a half six hours in the room with

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Speaker 2: Amon Presley, that was one hell of an epitaph on

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Speaker 2: a career that I've been doing since I was twenty

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Speaker 2: years old, when i was fifty when we were doing

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Speaker 2: that interview, Amen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember every day of my life, every single day.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing to take a question?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Amen? You know we definitely connected in

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Speaker 2: that room, and I mean I've always wanted to have

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Speaker 2: another opportunity to speak with you, probably even meet with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a heavy situation and as as

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Speaker 2: awful as it was, I mean, you gave me all

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Speaker 2: the truth you had, and you know, all my love

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Speaker 2: goes to my victims and my victims families first and

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Speaker 2: foremost I worked for those families and all the cases

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Speaker 2: I work. But you know, this whole thing in law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: it's all about healing, and in a retirement space, I

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Speaker 2: want to be part of that healing, in whatever form

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Speaker 2: it comes in. So it's good to hear your voice,

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Speaker 2: my brother.

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Speaker 3: You take Queen and Field and sure truth be told.

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Speaker 3: I do have a little sense as a human being,

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Speaker 3: as a criminal or the you know, as a convict.

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Speaker 3: I have nothing against him. I have nothing against detecting

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Speaker 3: Quinn whatsoever, because he was doing his job, and his

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Speaker 3: job is to serve and to protect, and his job

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Speaker 3: was to bring justice the killer of these ency of

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Speaker 3: these innocent victims, and so he was doing what he

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Speaker 3: was supposed to do in the universe. He was doing

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Speaker 3: what he was supposed to be doing, Like he was

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Speaker 3: doing the call. He was askering the calling that God

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Speaker 3: with Quinn. But what I want to throw out there,

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Speaker 3: and and it's kind of like this is healing me

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Speaker 3: as well, detect because this is almost therapeutic for me.

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Speaker 3: I just look back sometimes and I give you guys

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Speaker 3: what you may have for us. But when I look

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Speaker 3: up with Chicago and we used to play cops and marbles.

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Speaker 3: And a childhood friend of mine told somebody did interview

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Speaker 3: be one of the robbles, you know what, you don't

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Speaker 3: And we were just playing with water guns then on

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Speaker 3: the South side of Chicago. And you know, but when

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Speaker 3: I think about the day to court, Detective Quinn and

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Speaker 4: I just wish I would have never grown up with

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Speaker 3: It's just I just don't know why. I just will

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Speaker 3: my father not being there, you know, us not doing

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Speaker 3: not being there. Is an answer, it's just not why.

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Speaker 3: But I know it's because my father didn't do his job.

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Speaker 3: The older men in the community didn't do you know,

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Speaker 3: leave me in the right direction. But it still just

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Speaker 3: first time I sold me the episode that the technically

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Speaker 3: just broke my heart to know that instead of growing

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Speaker 3: help to understand the roots of violence, like I know,

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Speaker 3: that it was the way I was raised, the seeds

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Speaker 4: I was running a lot of biodies, gangster rap movees,

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Speaker 3: So I'm come to South Side of Chicago. The Rapper

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Speaker 3: So this this is who I came from, you know.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like I just know, I just know

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Speaker 3: But now that that's overweight, I'm just happy to be

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Speaker 3: I actually believe it or not. As well, I had

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Speaker 3: He was like when he said the first time, he said,

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Speaker 3: And he just kept showing me the pictures of the

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Whoever did this right here, whoever

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I don't mean to interrupt you, hay'men, but

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Speaker 2: you know that was a tough day, a tough night

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Speaker 2: going into warehouse of the morning for both of us.

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Speaker 2: I mean in that in that situation when we come

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Speaker 2: for two hours, we wasn't talking about nothing but life,

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Speaker 2: like we were talking nothing but life. That that videotape

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Speaker 2: I still have it on my desk right now. That

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Speaker 2: that uh that disk. We were talking about your life,

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Speaker 2: so for me for you to pour out your life.

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Speaker 2: And you started almost from the crib and you came

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Speaker 2: You know. It was it was almost like I felt

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember it, because you

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Speaker 2: once I connected that knee, it was almost like I

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Speaker 2: felt some explosion coming. We would touch it yeary, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like it was me and you in that room, and

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Speaker 2: anybody ever listened to this young brother? He's ever been counseled?

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Speaker 2: You know, I raised six kids, two sons, so I

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Speaker 2: because ultimately, and I found that in this business only

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Speaker 2: our maker can judge es. I'm not judging you. I

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Speaker 2: feel awful for my victims and their family. It's the

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Speaker 2: worst thing imaginable for them. And to be a part

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Speaker 2: She was amazing. She changed my mind about the death

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Speaker 2: penalty because it was so much death in that room

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Speaker 2: that I'm never gonna shake that off. I had never

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Speaker 2: had a homicide, working nineteen years straight, a murder where

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Speaker 2: they were focused malice. Murders always for some end, some

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Speaker 2: financial gain, some personal vendetta. I mean, that stuff really

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Speaker 2: got in me. I'm not you know, I'm old and gristled,

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Speaker 2: but that whole exchange got in me, and it was

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Speaker 2: a good thing. Was my last case. That was his

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Speaker 2: last case, Amen, As you know that, I remember all

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Speaker 2: I think. I remember.

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Speaker 3: Detect Quinn telling me that note because he said, I

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Speaker 3: got all the way to my last case. I'm getting

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Speaker 3: ready to retire. He said he never wanted to serial

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Speaker 3: to kill a case.

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Speaker 2: Never wanted one, never wanted one. Velaskaz was the serial

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Speaker 2: killer guy in the room. You know. We started the

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Speaker 2: same day in homicide, the year two thousand, Me and

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Speaker 2: Velaskas and he used to get them all the time.

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm gonna stay here, down here

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Speaker 2: and sisters and make sure they're safe and work these murders,

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Speaker 2: these you know, rudimentary crime scenes and just the nuts

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Speaker 2: and bolts of the street. And then on my way out,

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Speaker 2: I'm nine months from getting you know, thirty years is

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Speaker 2: the finish line. So I'm nine months from getting my

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Speaker 2: thirty I'm fifty years old. I'm like, Wow, this is crazy,

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Speaker 2: and this happens, and I hope we can get into

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Speaker 2: God moments in this case. There were some God moments

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Speaker 2: in this case. The stuff that was happening on this

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Speaker 2: case was biblical. Like. The first example is the fact

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Speaker 2: We didn't we didn't even take a bathroom break. Neither

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Speaker 2: It what shocked me. And because I never you know,

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Speaker 2: the box of Blazer forty five caliber ammunition stay with me,

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Speaker 2: The blazer ammunition in the clear plastic and the gun set,

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Speaker 2: Man I'm telling you, man, I I it just it

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Speaker 3: on the on the television hotelne and somebody like it

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00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: was a cartoon commercial, and the cartoon hand pulled the

432
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: slot machine handles, just like in Vegas, and the three

433
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: slotting shines, you know, the thing go. The first one

434
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: stops and it's like a cherry, you know, just like

435
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: on those slot machines, and the third one stops on

436
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: the other side, and it's like a cherry, and then

437
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: the the second one stops, which is the one in

438
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: the middle, and it was a cartoon PicTel over a

439
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: revolver fire arm, and all of a sudden, on the

440
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: television screen, all these police sirens and stuff start going on,

441
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: and I just hear the words murder weapon on the television,

442
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: murder weapon. And right there that night, I knew that

443
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I was supposed to get rid of that gun, but

444
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 3: because I was slew in cocaine and drinking alcohol, I

445
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: got SATs right, and I never got rid of the gun,

446
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: and I ended up leaving their hotel won't and I

447
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: moved it to my new Eastern line of apartment with

448
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: the fire arm now in the East Atlanta apartment. I

449
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: didn't have a television yet because I was just moving

450
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: and just getting started and like an air mant with

451
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: some kind incense. And so when I moved it to

452
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: the eastern line of apartment, by the time the detective

453
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: Queinn was in jenjis know to say, Okay, let's put

454
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: the gun and the ammunition on the news. That's all

455
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: we have. I'm in this my new apartment, and I

456
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: can't see the moves because I don't have a television,

457
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: and so I don't know that they're broadcasting the gun

458
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: and the ammunition on the news. And I saw that

459
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: I may have gotten rid of the gun and the ammunition,

460
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: and that was the only thing connecting me, but I didn't.

461
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: It was it was it was discontinued ammunition. They weren't

462
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: even selling it on the open market. It was four

463
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: years removed from the market. And I'm telling you, let's

464
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: just like, let's just quantify this thing for a minute.

465
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: So had that gun gone off the proper for a

466
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: misdemeanor and a and a and a and a a

467
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: BS probation by what I don't know. He was charged with, uh,

468
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: the gun even though it was a state case of Famiony.

469
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: I guess they would have found out it would have

470
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: sat in property, probably never TESTI fired. I mean it

471
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: might have just I don't know what MARTA does over there.

472
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with their with their h procedures, but uh,

473
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: that gun just could have got a lot, could have

474
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: just been sitting in some uh in some in some

475
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: proper unit somewhere.

476
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: So Quinn, we can go one step back from that.

477
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: If he had just paid the fare, he had four.

478
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars check in his back pocket. I remember that

479
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: you had a four hundred dollar pay check in your

480
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: back pocket.

481
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: And you know what was crazy?

482
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: What was even crazy?

483
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: And because I got to think about it every day

484
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: when I got when I left my apartment that morning,

485
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: I was smart. It appears when I was really stupid

486
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: on this KVE, but I was. When I left my apartment,

487
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: I told myself, when you get to Georgia State train station,

488
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: do not go into the train station. We not paying

489
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: the fare because you don't know where undercovers are, and

490
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: that will be how you get caught with this gun.

491
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: Because you know you shouldn't have a firearm to big

492
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: get felling, not because of what was on it. Just

493
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna convec your fellow. I should have a fire

494
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: arm in the first place. So don't go through the

495
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: Martle Station train station to Georgia State. Don't go through

496
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: the turnstile in Georgia State Training Station without paying. When

497
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: I got to Georgia State train station, I grew up

498
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: in Atlanta too, so I know it. In Atlanta, if

499
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: you don't have the fare, they'll give you a courtesy

500
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: pass if you ask them a lader employe or if

501
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: bart buzz driving. Hey, when I get to Georgia State

502
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: train station, you think you could give me a courtesy

503
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: science fall. So I get on the train, and when

504
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: I get to art and Funting Station, I was getting

505
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: to the banking by Arsenal trying station to cash the

506
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: kit and to reload my Martin brutal guard because I

507
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: paid you to get on the trail. So I wasn't

508
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: even one of these while, you know, on the track.

509
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: When I got to Georgia State that morning, my my

510
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: plan was to wait, and so the Martyr employees show

511
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: up to say, hey, excuse excuse you, ma'am, My sir,

512
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: sirh man, can you give me a courtesy signance so

513
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: I can go from Georgia State to Arsenal Training Station.

514
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: When I get off to the Arsenter Training station, I'm

515
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: brought to the region's bank. I'm gonna catch my check.

516
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: I'll reload my Martin Breeze card for the week. And

517
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: so while I'm standing there waiting on a Martin employee

518
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: to show up, I already know don't go in the

519
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: train station without paying, because you don't know what undercoverles

520
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: are and if you get stuck, you have ANR on one.

521
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: And what happens is while I'm standing there waiting on

522
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: the Marting employee, I turn around and I see an

523
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: old lady. If you look at the videotape when I

524
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: got stuck, you can see the old.

525
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: Lady right up.

526
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: I see an old lady with her trouble grocery shopping bags.

527
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: She gets stuck over the time stop and I go over,

528
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: being a good samaritan aside from who I really was

529
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: going to be a good samaritan said, I go over

530
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: and say, hey, ma'am, or do you need help with

531
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: your bags? Come on, I help you with your bag.

532
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: And I picked up her Kroger bags and let her

533
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: go through and handed her Kroger bags, and another lady

534
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: getting off the train coming out of the train station

535
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: thought that that was my mother, and she's like, hey,

536
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: you and your mom need more. She tapped to Martin

537
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Brede card and the Mart of Lakes opened up. The

538
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: old lady went on. She took her Croger bags with her,

539
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: and I had split second think, Okay, maybe it's not

540
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: any undercovers in here, maybe I could just go ahead

541
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: to get on the train. And it was the split

542
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: second decision that was the worst decision on my life.

543
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: And I ended up going into the train station without

544
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: paying anyway and being stopped by undercovers. And I moved

545
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: that that's how I would be caught.

546
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: Now, Quinn, I asked Amen what he would say to you?

547
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: And now I want to ask you you now have

548
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak with him for the first time

549
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: since that faithful night. What would you say to him?

550
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: What I say to him is out. And I know

551
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Amen has children, and uh, I always was, you know,

552
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: he told me had kids in the interview, and I

553
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: just hope that you know there was some something positive

554
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: happening for those children if if you know, and you

555
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: know because I've I raised six kids. I got five grandchildren,

556
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: so I have a soft spot for kids. I always wonder,

557
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, what happened with those children? Were they okay?

558
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: Were they in good situations? You know, I didn't want

559
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: them to be part of, you know, some kind of

560
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: lack for better terminology, a generational curse, you know, I mean,

561
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: is it something? Are they being taken? Are they okay?

562
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: That's that's what I wanted to know, if he, if

563
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: he knew, because I know Amin is on the healing track.

564
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: I've listened to several podcasts with Aiming over the years.

565
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a I'm a podcast homicide junkie. I still,

566
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, even though I did it forever, I still

567
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: listen to something every day, and I've come across them

568
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: a few times. I just always wanted about your kids, man,

569
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: how are they?

570
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: My oldest son, his name is Jordan Presley. He's twenty three.

571
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: I talked to him earlier today. He remembers the good

572
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: day that I was aside from the demons that his

573
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 3: father Russell with and so he still loves me. I

574
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: still love him. He's doing great. He's a working young man.

575
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: He's driving, he has his own place, he's thinking about

576
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: different career paths. And you know, he's one of those

577
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: kids that, aside from myself and his mother, that was

578
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: raised by his grandmother. So you know, sometimes the grandmother's

579
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: the grandparents cant of learn from from the kids he's

580
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: growing up in A twenty three, I'm proud of my

581
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: oldest son. Now I have a little girl in Los Angeles.

582
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 3: Her name is Amarna Presley and it's spelled A M

583
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: A R n A. And her last name is Presley,

584
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: like my last name. I don't know I lost my daughter.

585
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: She's alive, but I mean she's in LA. And this

586
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: was eleven years later. She was like one or two

587
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: when I left LA, and now she's twelve and I

588
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: have seen her twenty fourteen, and I have no idea

589
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: what's going on with her. I just drank from her

590
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: and bring to reunite with her one day.

591
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, great, great, that's that's good that I always wondered

592
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: about that.

593
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you something, amen. I don't know why

594
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: those innocent people had to die, and I don't know

595
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: why you had to become a killer, but I will

596
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: tell you it's not in vain. It's not what you're

597
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: doing what Detective Quinn is still doing, what feel and

598
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: what hopefully I'm helping. You know, we're training people, we're

599
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: teaching people, We're teaching the next generation of law enforcement

600
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: that's going to be able to stop some of these

601
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: killers and solve these cases. And we're able to do

602
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: it because of information you get. So again, I appreciate

603
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: your honesty. I appreciate you coming up on. I appreciate

604
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Detective Quinn wanting to talk to you. I appreciate you

605
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: wanting to talk to him. I think it is absolutely

606
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful things I've ever sat witness to,

607
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: and to me, this is a hand of God moment

608
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: that two people on opposite sides can come together as fathers,

609
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: as people that you know wanted to do the right thing.

610
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: One couldn't. And there's a lot of reasons you couldn't

611
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: name and that you had nothing to do with. But

612
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, when I listened to the two of you,

613
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: I just get invigorated that we've got more training to do,

614
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: and what Phil is put together, I am thrilled to

615
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: be able to offer my own department they need to

616
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: hear it.

617
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: I'd just like to say that for me, it all

618
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: started with and you talk about this in your books

619
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: Feel for Me and in your podcast for Me. It

620
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: all started in my youth. I was we all start

621
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: off as choosing. I remember when I was a kid,

622
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: somebody guy that were a friend of my mother's, and

623
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: I told one of my other childhood friends and you like,

624
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: So I was like, what, man, you don't you don't

625
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: care about somebody?

626
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: God? Man, you're wrong.

627
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: Man, God is gonna punch you. I had no idea

628
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 3: that I would grow up and become a monster.

629
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: How does that same.

630
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Style grow up to do what I did? So with

631
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: that being said, I know how. And it all started

632
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: in my youth. To parents out there are raising teenagers,

633
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: it all started in my youth. It was the medium,

634
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: the music, the poopol on around, the television shows and

635
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 3: the company you keep, and what you feed your children's

636
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 3: brains and what you feed your children, What we feed

637
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: the youth in society is what they're gonna give back.

638
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: That's where it started for me. Violence And it was

639
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: violence that I was said.

640
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: So if we get.

641
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: If we get eradicate violence, it starts with what you

642
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: feed you, what we feed our kids in.

643
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: You just something quick. So the lives of Dorian, Tommy, Calvin,

644
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: and Karen, and I call them by their first name.

645
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Is because these people are connected to me for the

646
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: rest of my life. That was my last case, and

647
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: there's not a day goes by. I don't know why

648
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't think about them. It's just, you know, nothing sad,

649
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm a happy person. I love every

650
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: sunshine it hits the sky. But those people, you know,

651
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, I feel for them, and I just I

652
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: pray for their souls and their families healing. I mean,

653
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: this is the worst thing could have ever happened. It's

654
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: the most horrific murder I was ever a part of.

655
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: Yet I was able to be civil, which I am

656
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: with all my suspects. But there was just something biblical

657
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: about this thing. It wasn't just me. It was a

658
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: God moment, you know, wrapped up a tragedy. So I

659
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: just I don't even know these people. I just want

660
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: people to understand they were good people that left this

661
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: earth in a violent way, and I just that's what

662
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: my thoughts lie with them.

663
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: And you know, Quinn, this case affected you, but it

664
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: affected us as your friends too, because it was twenty twenty.

665
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the house. The news comes on and

666
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: they talk about a homeless man being shot multiple times.

667
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was a trigger.

668
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: Sleeping on the you know, sidewalk, and I'm like what.

669
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, man, that's right. And a little

670
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: bit of time goes by and we have another homeless

671
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: person sleeping in a tent. Then we have a woman shot.

672
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: And I reached out to you because I was so

673
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: confident this was a copycat, because I'm like, I know

674
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: this case, we lived this case, and I mean I

675
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: reached out to you and I was like, uh, does

676
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: this not sound familiar.

677
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: I was a little concerned. I was too. I was too.

678
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: I can't believe I brought this up to you, Cheryl.

679
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: How would we talk to Amon presently? I didn't know

680
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: you guys really knew him or whatever.

681
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: That's funny.

682
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought about is I've got to

683
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: talk to Quinn because.

684
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: I got a lot of calls that week. I got

685
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: a lot of calls that week.

686
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Oh I guarantee you know this case, Cheryl.

687
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: And still, I mean, a lot of this is this

688
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: is against a homicide detective credo, but this case, in

689
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: this case alone, it changed my mind on the death penalty.

690
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: It really did, because I'm gonna tell you that I

691
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: was ordered when when you're dealing with the capital defender,

692
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to save the life of their client.

693
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: That was Amen's defense team, And they called me numerous

694
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: times before the trials, wanted to have a sit down,

695
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: because you know, that's their right. They can put that

696
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: into the record what they talked to me about. I

697
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: refuse to go to office. I was surly, I was indignant.

698
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I was a complete asshole with them. I'm

699
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: not even gonna lie because, like they talking about, this

700
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: is a death penalty. You know, I'd never had a

701
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: death penalty, but I was like, this fit the dictionary

702
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: definition in my mind. And so I got ordered by

703
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: the full county judge to go meet with them at

704
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: their office. You know, I remember going up there and

705
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if I even say her name. It's

706
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: not what she said. It was her eyes, something that

707
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: she was. It was just like she was so sold

708
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: for her clients and saving lives. She didn't she knew

709
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: it was guilty. It was just the way she presented herself.

710
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: She was so dignified about the whole process, so much

711
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: so that I went to pH you know what that is.

712
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: And I go up to the DA's office and I

713
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: tell PS said, look, he's going to plead he played

714
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: under the cab stuff because pH would listen to me.

715
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean before he you know, out of favor. That

716
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: was my dude. And I said, look, let's just let's

717
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: let these families heal. It's gonna be an ugly trial.

718
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: Let's let's do the right thing here and let him

719
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: and let him do the plea l wop. Push this

720
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: thing away. It gives these families time to heal. And

721
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: he went for it. I mean, we were cool like that.

722
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: And it changed my mind. And that's a that's a

723
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: whole other conversation, but it changed my mind again on

724
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: my way out. So I'd always thought one way this case.

725
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: It was a profound impact on the rest of my life.

726
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: In Cheryl, everything you and I talked about prior to

727
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 5: all this happening, you know, it's what we talked about,

728
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 5: the blackmail, shooting people, hard to catch serial killers, you

729
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: got to get lucky, uh checked and basically told you

730
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 5: it was a god thing. And they would have never

731
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: connected these four murders together because he completely changes mo

732
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 5: O which is what they do.

733
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: That was it that the wallet and the dumpster, a dumpster,

734
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: a dumpster that had been dumped, the wallet and the

735
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: crazy I don't even understand it, but it was in there.

736
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: It would have know. It wouldn't have given any credibility

737
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: of this case if that wasn't found. But Aiming produced

738
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: all the evidence. That's the best confession that I've ever

739
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: and I used to get him, you know, hand over fist.

740
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: Excuse to hear from you again. To Quinn and night, bro.

741
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: All right, be strong, Aiming, be strong. I'll be in

742
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: touch now that we connected, I'll be in touch with you.

743
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Amen, I will too. You'll get a letter from me soon.

744
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, all right, brother, take care, I

745
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 3: take care.

746
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Phil Chalmers. I cannot thank you enough for coming on

747
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: to Zone seven and I cannot wait to host you

748
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Son, Honey, Detective Quinn, David Quinn, my friend,

749
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, I love you, respect you just can't get

750
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: enough of you. I'll tell you were just amazing and

751
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: what you gave us tonight, I mean it was just

752
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: a sermon and I'm glad I was on the front row.

753
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

754
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: I love hearing your voice and I love what you do.

755
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 2: So your platform is amazing. I love following you. Keep

756
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: up this important work is so necessary and thanks for

757
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: having me on y'all.

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00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm going end Zone seven the way that I always

759
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: do with a quote. Your life is fluid, brother, your

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00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: life is meaningful. Detective David Quinn