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Speaker 1: Welcome. It is a verdict of Senator Ted Cruz Ben

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Speaker 1: Ferguson with you, and we are publishing on a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: for a reason. The Democrats have decided that they want

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Speaker 1: to have a conversation in Washington in Congress over what

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Speaker 1: they're describing as judicial ethics. The problem is it's nothing

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Speaker 1: more than an assault on the Supreme Court, and specifically,

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Speaker 1: there is one justice they're really wanting to go after,

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Speaker 1: and that is Justice Clarence Thomas, Senator, you're there in

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Speaker 1: the middle of this talk about the Democrats and their

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Speaker 1: game plan for this quote judicial ethics conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are witnessing an historic assault on the court.

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Speaker 2: And what the Democrats are doing is launching a frontal

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Speaker 2: attack on the Supreme Court itself, on the legitimacy of

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Speaker 2: the Court. They are trying to tear down the institution altogether.

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Speaker 2: The reason they are doing that is that the the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court is the one institution that the hard left

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Speaker 2: does not control, and there is right now a majority

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Speaker 2: of justices on the Court who are committed to the Constitution,

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Speaker 2: who are constitutionalists, and that drives the left crazy. It

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Speaker 2: is one of the very few checks that remain on

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Speaker 2: out of control left wing assaults on our basic rights,

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Speaker 2: on free speech, on religious liberty, on the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 2: That you have justices on the Supreme Court willing to

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Speaker 2: be faithful to the Constitution and not to leftist political ideology.

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Speaker 2: But the assault is not just directed at the Court itself.

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Speaker 2: The assault is very deliberately directed at one justice, in particular,

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Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas. You may have noticed in the last several weeks,

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Speaker 2: article after article after article attacking Justice Thomas, accusing him

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Speaker 2: of being unethical, accusing him of being corrupt, accusing him

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Speaker 2: of being being bought and paid for. All of this

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Speaker 2: is designed to try to wear Justice Thomas down. And

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Speaker 2: the objective of the left, I believe is they hope

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Speaker 2: to drive him away from the court. Now, let me

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Speaker 2: be clear, they will not succeed. But if you take

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Speaker 2: a moment to enter the fevered minds of the radical left,

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Speaker 2: they have a hatred for Justice Thomas that is unique.

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Speaker 2: There are other conservative justices, there have been other conservative

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Speaker 2: justices over the years, but the left has a special

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Speaker 2: loathing for Justice Thomas because he is African American. It

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Speaker 2: is a loathing that is qualitatively different their view, the

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Speaker 2: view of the hard left is that a black man

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Speaker 2: cannot dare to be a conservative, that if you are black,

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Speaker 2: or for that matter, if you are Hispanic, you must

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Speaker 2: be a left wing ideologue, and if you're not, they

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Speaker 2: have a unique level of rage. And when it comes

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Speaker 2: to Justice Thomas, you look at the dripping contempt that

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Speaker 2: the left is heaped upon him for decades. Justice Antonin

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Speaker 2: Scalia served decades on the Court. He was, by almost

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Speaker 2: any measure, every bit as conservative as Clarence Thomas. And

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Speaker 2: yet the left didn't despise Justice Scalia the way they

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Speaker 2: despise Justice Thomas. My former boss on the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: William Hub's Renquist, was an extraordinary conservative who ushered in

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Speaker 2: fundamental realignments of Supreme Court jurisprudence, bringing them back to

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Speaker 2: the text and the original understanding of the Constitution. Chief

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Speaker 2: Justice renquist impact on the Supreme Court is monumental and historic,

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Speaker 2: and yet the left does not despise him even a

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Speaker 2: fraction of what they despise Justice Thomas. And the important

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Speaker 2: thing to understand about this assault on Justice Thomas, this

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Speaker 2: is not a fair minded inquiry into judicial ethics. The

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Speaker 2: reason we're releasing this pod on Tuesday morning instead of

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, we're releasing it one day early, is later Today,

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Speaker 2: the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing convened by

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Speaker 2: Democrat Chairman Dick Durbin. It is a hearing that is

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Speaker 2: designed to be a kangaroo court, that is designed to

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Speaker 2: be a circus that has one central objective attacking, smearing,

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Speaker 2: maligning Justice Thomas. The left wants to vilify him. And

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Speaker 2: here's something important to understand. Supreme Court justices are not

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Speaker 2: able to defend themselves from political attacks. It's important for

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Speaker 2: everyone listening to this podcast understand what is happening. This

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Speaker 2: it is funded. It has left wing advocacy groups who,

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Speaker 2: one day after another after another, release breathless exposs of

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Speaker 2: alleged improprieties. Those exposees are then amplified in a deliberate,

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Speaker 2: concerted way through all of their friends in the corrupt

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Speaker 2: corporate media, and then Democrat senators and Democrat House members

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Speaker 2: in a political smear campaign. And when the media are

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Speaker 2: Justice Thomas. He is, in my judgment, hands down, one

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Speaker 2: He is a deeply principled man. He is ferociously devoted

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Speaker 2: All of those attributes would lead most people ordinarily to respect,

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Speaker 2: I revere Justice Clarence.

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Speaker 2: For the modern left, those attributes are why they despise him,

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Speaker 2: and even more so, take all of that fury and

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Speaker 2: amplify it tenfold because he's an African American, not just

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Speaker 2: an African American, an African American who grew up in

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Speaker 2: abject poverty in Pinpoint Georgia, who came from nothing, who

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Speaker 2: worked hard, who studied, who achieved, and yet who does

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Speaker 2: the African American community. You accept their rules or they

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Speaker 2: will go after you and demonize you. So this podcast

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Speaker 2: is designed to explain, Okay, what are the issues surrounding

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Speaker 2: the attacks, what's really going on? And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: The attacks are utterly hypocritical. They are applying a double

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Speaker 2: If we want to have a abstract reason discussion about

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Speaker 2: judicial ethics, about what the rules should be and what

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Speaker 2: Democrats do today. Instead, this will be a political attack.

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Speaker 2: Ad from the moment it gabbles in till the end

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Speaker 2: of the hearing, all designed to malign and attack Justice

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Speaker 2: Thomas and what he is accused of. Numerous other justices,

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Speaker 2: including liberal icons that the left reveres, people like Ruth

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Speaker 2: apply a double standard, to apply rules that were not

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Speaker 2: that this podcast gives you some more information to understand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not just a smear attack. It's also

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Speaker 1: them trying to undermine the stability and how important the

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Speaker 1: be moving to a conservative court. This happened during Trump administration. Yes,

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Speaker 2: That is exactly right. We also saw the absolute circus

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Speaker 2: Democrats were perfectly willing to smear Justice Cavanaugh. It followed

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Speaker 2: because proving a negative, proving you have not committed whatever

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Speaker 2: in fact, after the Dobbs opinion was leaked. When the

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Speaker 2: reason that Merrick Garland and Joe Biden and Kamala Harrison,

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Speaker 2: And I want you to introduce Mark Well sure. Our

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Speaker 2: So, Mark, you have witnessed firsthand this recent assault on

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Speaker 3: So the charges are all utterly baseless, in a word,

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Speaker 2: So and let's take a moment to focus on this,

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Speaker 3: They're being changed. If you can be on them, you

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Speaker 3: the justice going on a yeah, a justice going to

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Speaker 3: somebody's a place in Aspen or something like that, and

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Speaker 3: said to the witness, now he wouldn't have to disclose

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Speaker 3: those things right under this rule, and his witness it's

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Speaker 3: left wing, you know. After this, Kedric paints, Yeah, the

436
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Speaker 3: rule has been interpreted by the courts to not have

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Speaker 3: to disclose that so up until this point, and you're right,

438
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Speaker 3: you know, if they want to write a rule that

439
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Speaker 3: says X y Z, fine, But what's being what is

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Speaker 3: being sort of double standard, as you said, to apply

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Speaker 3: to double centers with Justice Tomments, is the fact that

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Speaker 3: he should have disclosed these things when he had no

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Speaker 3: reason to so.

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Speaker 2: And let me underscore a couple of points, because it's

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Speaker 2: important to understand the specifics. Number One, the Judicial Ethics

446
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: rules have never and even to this day, do not

447
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Speaker 2: prohibit a justice from staying at someone else's home, from

448
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Speaker 2: flying on a plane a private plane, from getting on

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Speaker 2: a yacht. The rules do not prohibit that. And up

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Speaker 2: until March of twenty twenty three, in other words, up

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Speaker 2: until just over a month ago, the rules did not

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Speaker 2: require disclosure of staying at a personal friend's home, or

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Speaker 2: flying on the friend's plane, or being on the yacht.

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Speaker 2: Am I stating that accurately both of those propositions?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now you might say, well okay, but clearly from the

457
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Speaker 2: press coverage, what Justice Thomas has done is really really different,

458
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Speaker 2: and no other justice does that. And if that were true,

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Speaker 2: then I guess you could have an argument about why

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Speaker 2: Justice Thomas was doing something out of the norm. It

461
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Speaker 2: just happens not just to be false, but wildly, blatantly,

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Speaker 2: undeniably false. So, according to the public data that are

463
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Speaker 2: available at all the Justices, Justice Thomas has reported to

464
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Speaker 2: date one hundred and nine reported trips. That is, since

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Speaker 2: he was appointed and confirmed to the Court in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety one. One hundred and nine of those one hundred

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00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: and nine five were international trips. Now you might say

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Speaker 2: one hundred and nine Okay, that's egregious, that's just too much.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's look to Justice Ruth Vader Ginsburg. So

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Speaker 2: Justice Ruth Vader Ginsburg. Justice Thomas was confirmed to the

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Speaker 2: Court in nineteen ninety one. Justice Ginsburg was the next

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Speaker 2: justice to arrive. She was confirmed in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 2: How many reported trips did Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg have?

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty seven of them? How many were international?

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Speaker 2: That would be twenty eight. So Ruth Bader Ginsburg, appointed

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Speaker 2: after Clarence Thomas, had nearly fifty percent more trips than

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Speaker 2: Justice Thomas has had, and had nearly six times as

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Speaker 2: many international trips. Okay, well, maybe Justice Ginsburg is an outlier.

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Speaker 2: What about Justice Brier? Okay, Justice Brier. So Steve Bryer

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Speaker 2: was confirmed in nineteen ninety four, So he was the

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Speaker 2: next justice confirmed to the Court after Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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Speaker 2: During his time on the Court, Remember, Clarence Thomas had

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Speaker 2: one hundred nine trips? How many did Steve Bryer have?

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Speaker 2: That would be two hundred and thirty three, so more

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Speaker 2: than two times as many trips as Justice Thomas. Three

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Speaker 2: of them were international. All right, that's Justice Bryer. How

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Speaker 2: about Justice Kagan. Now, Lena Kagan was confirmed in August

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Speaker 2: of twenty ten, so she's been on the Court just

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Speaker 2: over twelve years. Twelve and a half years. In that

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Speaker 2: twelve and a half years, so about a third of

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Speaker 2: the time Justice Thomas has been on the court. Elena Kagan,

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Speaker 2: who's a Democrat appointee appointed by Obama, reported sixty eight

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Speaker 2: trips sixty eight, so she's got two thirds of the

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Speaker 2: trips Justice Thomas has in only one third of the time,

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Speaker 2: and six of those were international. Well, but surely those

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Speaker 2: are outliers. All right, Let's try one more. Sonya so

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Speaker 2: to my or, Sonya so to my or appointed by Obama,

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Speaker 2: Obama's first appointee, confirmed in August of two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 2: Sonya so to my or Again, she's been on the

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Speaker 2: court just about a third of the time Justice Thomas has.

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Speaker 2: How many does she have? One hundred and fifty one

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Speaker 2: reported trips? That is fifty percent more than Justice Thomas

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Speaker 2: in a third of the time, and ten international trips

504
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Speaker 2: now at the Judiciary Committee hearing, if they want to

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Speaker 2: go through and drag Ruth Bader Ginsburg through the mud,

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Speaker 2: and drag Steve Bryer through the mud, and drag Elena

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Speaker 2: Kagan through the mud, and drag Sonya Soto Mayor through

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Speaker 2: the mud, the Democrats are welcome to do that. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to predict they're not going to because they're being

510
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Speaker 2: utterly hypocritical and they're attacking Clarence Thomas for something that

511
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Speaker 2: other justices, including icons of the left, have done, and

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Speaker 2: most of them have done far more frequently than Clarence Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Is what I said. Accurate there, Mark.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely accurate, Senator, And I think I'll kind of go

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Speaker 3: back to what you were saying about how the left

516
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Speaker 3: heaps Justice Thomas and exposes their racism. When you read

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Speaker 3: about Clarence Thomas and these trips and his friendship with

518
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Speaker 3: with Harlan Crowe, it's always in this sense that like

519
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: Harlan Crowe has bought Justice Thomas, he he has him,

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Speaker 3: he's under his spell. And you never read that about

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Speaker 3: any other justice with respect to you know, going on

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Speaker 3: trips and going flying somewhere, being on somebody's boat, it's

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Speaker 3: this racism, uh that's directed at Justice Thomas that somehow,

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Speaker 3: you know, Harlan Crowe is controlling Clarence Thomas. And it's

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Speaker 3: it started when he went on the d C circuit

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Speaker 3: and they said he was dependent on Larry Silverman. Then

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Speaker 3: it goes to when he goes on to the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court and he's dependent on Justice Scalia, always dependent on

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Speaker 3: his wife or his law clerks at the Supreme that

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Speaker 3: the White House allegedly, you know, picked for him. So

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Speaker 3: it's got this it's really this disgusting attack on Justice

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Speaker 3: Thomas that is connected to this his French with halland Crubb.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're exactly right. And there's a contempt that the

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Speaker 2: left has, particularly to an African American who dares to

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Speaker 2: be conservative. And part of the consmpt contempt is an

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Speaker 2: intellectual arrogance that the left has for decades tried to

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Speaker 2: caricature Justice Thomas as not very bright. He must be

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Speaker 2: led by white conservatives, because lord knows, he couldn't figure

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00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: out those views on his own. And it was grotesquely

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Speaker 2: offensive when liberals advanced that argument in nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 2: and it has been grotesquely offensive ever since. And I

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00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: got to tell you. Look, I was in law school.

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00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: I graduated law school in nineteen ninety five, So Justice

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Speaker 2: Thomas was a new Supreme Court justice when I was

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Speaker 2: in law school, and the professors at Harvard Law School,

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Speaker 2: most of the left wing students at Harvard Law School,

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00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: they really did view Clarence Thomas as just a rube,

548
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Speaker 2: just not bright enough really to even tie his own shoes,

549
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Speaker 2: And the racist condescension was palpable. Now, I will say

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Speaker 2: what's interesting is in the thirty plus years Justice Thomas

551
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Speaker 2: has been on the Court, Justice Thomas' term after term

552
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: has written extraordinary opinions. And for anyone that follows Supreme

553
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: Court jurisprudence, there are real differences between Justice Thomas's jurisprudence

554
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: and Justice Scalia's jurisprudence and Chief Justice Ranquist jurisprudence. But

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Speaker 2: of all of the justices, the Justice most likely to

556
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Speaker 2: revisit long standing precedent and to go back to first principles,

557
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: to go back to what does the Constitution say, what

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Speaker 2: was the original public meaning of the words used in

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00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: the Constitution, and to go back and examine it carefully.

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Speaker 2: There's no justice more willing to do so than Clarence Thomas.

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Speaker 2: And he started very early on when he was brand

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Speaker 2: new in the court. Every term there would be one

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Speaker 2: or two opinions that term where he would write a

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00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: very very serious, scholarly exposition of an area of law,

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Speaker 2: sometimes big sexy areas of law that command a lot

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00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: of attention, other times relatively obscure areas of law, but

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00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: nonetheless that were consequential. And there was a palpable shift

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Speaker 2: over the years, which is leftist for the first five

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Speaker 2: ten years just decried him as an idiot. But you

570
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: couldn't read the opinions that he wrote and maintained that.

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Speaker 2: They would say, by the way, well he's not writing it.

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Speaker 2: It's his law clerks. His law clerks are doing his

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Speaker 2: work for him. Well, look I clerked at the court.

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Speaker 2: Every justice has law clerks. And yet somehow, when Ruth

575
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: Bader Ginsburg wrote an opinion, it wasn't her law clerks.

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: When Bill Brennan wrote an opinion, it wasn't his law clerks.

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00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: It's only Justice Thomas's law clerks. They think that are

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00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: writing the opinions. Maybe you could argue that for a

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: term or two, but at this point, over three decades,

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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: there is a consistent thread of a unified view and understanding,

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Speaker 2: a depth and scholarly gravitas that Justice Thomas has brought.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta say, Mark, oddly enough, the left, particularly

583
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Speaker 2: the legal academy, have been forced to pay him a

584
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: backhanded compliment because you don't see them attacking him anymore

585
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: as not up to the job, not bright enough that

586
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: they did for years say well, he just follows Scalia.

587
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: Scalia is no longer with us, and Justice Thomas is

588
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: the leader of the more conservative justices. He is one

589
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: of the most consequential justices to have ever lived. And

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00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: now the left just says he's dangerous. That in a

591
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: way is a concession because it is acknowledging the power

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Speaker 2: of his ideas. But they nonetheless visit a special agree

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00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: of hate on him that I think is directly related

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Speaker 2: to his race and the view Democrats have that you

595
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: must agree with them if you happen to be African American,

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Speaker 2: or if you happen to be a spati.

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Speaker 1: Mark, I want to ask you a question too, that

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Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, Senator, and that's this. The Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is a tight knit group. A lot of times

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Speaker 1: you will see justices you know that won't necessarily criticize

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Speaker 1: us or other justice you know, publicly. Why is it

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Speaker 1: on an issue like this that, by the way, would

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Speaker 1: effect I would assume all of their lifestyles based on

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Speaker 1: the number of trips that you heard this senator run

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Speaker 1: through a few minutes ago. Are we not going to

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Speaker 1: see some justices come out and kind of say, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is out of bounds to you know, in the

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Speaker 1: way that they're treating Justice Thomas. Are they just going

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, we'll stay out of this. If you

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Speaker 1: guys want to do this, it's on you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the attack on a court has actually

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Speaker 3: galvanized them. We've never seen you know, there'll be differences

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Speaker 3: on their opinions, but you just saw the Chief Justice.

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Speaker 3: You know, am I do you give a stiff arm?

615
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: Rightly so to the Judiciary Committee in terms of testifying.

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Speaker 3: And then I think unprecedented. I don't think there's ever

617
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Speaker 3: been a nine justices signing the ethics opinion, the statement

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Speaker 3: on ethics and refusals that they also issued. So I

619
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: think there's a coming together that they realize they're under assault,

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Speaker 3: that this is so on the institution of the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 3: and that's good for no one. And so you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to backfire on the left. This

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Speaker 3: attack the left always, you know, they do this whole lot,

624
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Speaker 3: but they are going after every justice. They're particularly hate

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Speaker 3: Justice Thomas. As you said, Senator, I think it's in

626
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: part right, he's been so successful. They tried to destroy

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Speaker 3: him in ninety one. I lived through. I went through

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Speaker 3: that with him. But he's now ascendant. Right, he is

629
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Speaker 3: the leader of the cour were after thirty years right

630
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: set more than seven hundred opinions. As you said, he

631
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Speaker 3: writes more opinions per year than any justice on the

632
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Speaker 3: court and has for many years. And the other thing, right,

633
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Speaker 3: and as you said, one of the one legal commentator

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Speaker 3: a left wing commentator. So Justice Thomas is the most

635
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Speaker 3: important legal thinker of the generation and the most significant

636
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Speaker 3: visual appointment of the last forty years. It's Ian Millheiser

637
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: from box right who's no fan of the Justice but

638
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: realizes his influence and more importantly, or as importantly, his clerks,

639
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: his army of clerks, and Senator, you know this, right,

640
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: they have gone out into the world. There are fifteen judges,

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Speaker 3: I think fifteen judges on courts of Appeals and other

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00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: courts that are are are is the next generation. He

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Speaker 3: has solicitors general right out there, Scott Stewart, who who's

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Speaker 3: in Mississippi. He argued the Bobs case. He has law

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Speaker 3: clerks who are representing the Harvard the Planets against Harvard

646
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Speaker 3: and the University North Carolina in the affirmative action cases. Right.

647
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Speaker 3: His clerks are changing the faith of American jurisprudence from

648
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Speaker 3: his ideas and from his example of courage to go

649
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: out there and change the world and changing, you know,

650
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Speaker 3: the legal status quo. And that's what really enrages the

651
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Speaker 3: left is that he's successful and they've taken all these

652
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Speaker 3: shots at him, and he is not bowed ever to

653
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Speaker 3: these attacks. And he's only seventy four years old, right,

654
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Speaker 3: which is as a mazing, you know, another decade on the court,

655
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Speaker 3: maybe more. And so that's why they're attacking. I think

656
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Speaker 3: that's why there's this fury and these other justices, the

657
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: youngman justices who look up to Justice Thomas. You know,

658
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: I helped out on the Borsch confirmation. And you saw,

659
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Speaker 3: you know, an email that was revealed at the Department

660
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Speaker 3: of Justice where Neil Borsich was emailing with Greg Cassis

661
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: who's on the d C circuits talking about Justice Thomas's

662
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Speaker 3: descent in Quila, what a magnificent opinion had opinion it was.

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Speaker 3: So it's just effect on these younger justices. I think

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Speaker 3: that that's shaping this court. That's providing the strength and

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00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: courage for these guys both to do so bulgerus prudence

666
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Speaker 3: and also personal courage in this attack. And I think

667
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Speaker 3: it was significant. I think it's of the year university

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Speaker 3: of this leak, that none of the justices backed off

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Speaker 3: that opinion, and I think that was significant that you know,

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Speaker 3: unprecedented leaks, but nobody moved and I think they showed

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Speaker 3: courage under fire, and I think that significant going forward.

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Speaker 1: Many people that listen to this podcast, they listen because

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Speaker 1: they want to be involved. They don't want to just

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Speaker 1: for their country. What can they do to help justice

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Speaker 1: Thomas when it comes to what's happening to Dan DC.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say several things. First of all, they

703
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Speaker 2: can share this podcast. You know what is guaranteed that

704
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Speaker 2: the corrupt corporate media is not going to discuss the facts.

705
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: They don't want to discuss these facts. They are active

706
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Speaker 2: participants in the political campaign trying to drive Justice Thomas

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Speaker 2: off the court. And by the way, there is a precedent.

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Speaker 2: You look at abe Fortis, who was a sitting justice

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Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court, and there was a scandal that

710
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Speaker 2: came out, a financial scandal that came out, and abe

711
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: Fortis resigned from the court. And the left is looking

712
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: to that example and they want to replicate it with

713
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Speaker 2: Justice Thomas. They hate him and they want him off

714
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Speaker 2: the court because he is such an effective justice. And

715
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Speaker 2: so the media is they're demonizing Justice Thomas. They're demonizing

716
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Speaker 2: Harlan crow And Harlan Crowe is a good and decent man.

717
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: He's a very generous philanthropist. They're trying to attack him

718
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Speaker 2: as some nefarious right wing billionaire. By the way, one

719
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Speaker 2: of the slanders they direct at Harlan Crowe as they say, oh,

720
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Speaker 2: he collects not see memorabilia. So Harlan's home is essentially

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Speaker 2: a museum, and he hosts events in Dallas all the time.

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Speaker 2: There are all sorts of public and community events there

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Speaker 2: and he has hundreds, probably thousands of artifacts. He has

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Speaker 2: lots of artifacts from World War Two. He has actually

725
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Speaker 2: outside his home a whole series of statues that were

726
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: erected to Communist leaders and that were toppled when those

727
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: countries became liberated. They were statues that were toppled, and

728
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Speaker 2: he's collected them and erected them not because he admires

729
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Speaker 2: Communist leaders, but because he wants the world not to

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Speaker 2: forget get their horrors. The same is true with his

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Speaker 2: World War Two displays. He has lots of displays with

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Speaker 2: with artifacts from the Allies, the American Armies, but he

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Speaker 2: also has artifacts from the bad guys from the Nazis,

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Speaker 2: not because he admires them, but the same reason that

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Speaker 2: a museum displays what happens so that we remember our history.

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Speaker 2: But the media doesn't want to tell you that. They

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Speaker 2: want to paint him like some comic book villain twirling

738
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Speaker 2: his mustache. And just remember, nobody in the media is

739
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Speaker 2: engaged in any research trying to do an expose of

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Speaker 2: any of the left wing justices. Clarence Thomas, as I said,

741
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Speaker 2: has one hundred and nine reported trips. Justice Bryer had

742
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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty three reported trips, so nearly so

743
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Speaker 2: more than twice as many. And it's worth noting if

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Speaker 2: you say, well, okay, but but there's not the farious billionaire. Well, actually,

745
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: Justice Brier had multiple trips that were supported by the

746
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Speaker 2: Chicago based Pritzker family, very wealthy billionaires Democrats. Actually Pritzker

747
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: is the sitting governor, the Democrat governor of Illinois, and

748
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Speaker 2: Justice Pryor took multiple trips supported by the Pritzker family.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, in twenty thirteen, Justice Brier flew on

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Speaker 2: hedge Fund manager David Rubinstein's private jet to a wedding

751
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Speaker 2: in Nantucket. Because they're trying to say, well, it's different

752
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Speaker 2: because Justice Thomas went in a private jet, Well so

753
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Speaker 2: did Justice Bryer. And let me be clear, because I

754
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Speaker 2: don't want what I'm saying here to be misconstrued. I

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Speaker 2: am not suggesting that any of the justices are corrupt.

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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting Justice Brier is or Justice Ginsberg, or

757
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Speaker 2: Justice Kagan or Justice sodamor all of them were following

758
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: the rules that were in place, but so was Justice Thomas,

759
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: and the left and their cronies in the media are

760
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Speaker 2: happy to apply a standard to Justice Thomas that doesn't

761
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Speaker 2: apply to any other justice. And if you want to

762
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: have a rule, apply it to everyone, but don't make

763
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Speaker 2: up a rule after the fact and then pretend the

764
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: guy you hate is the only person that violated the

765
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Speaker 2: rule that did not exist. That's what the Democrats are doing,

766
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Speaker 2: that's what the media is doing. And so your question, Ben,

767
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Speaker 2: what can you do make sure people know these facts?

768
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Speaker 2: Because if you listen to the rhetoric today at the

769
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Speaker 2: hearing and judiciary, Democrats are going to describe Justice Thomas

770
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Speaker 2: as corrupt because he did the same things that the

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Speaker 2: other justices have done over and over and over again,

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Speaker 2: and that is fundamentally dishonest. Mark your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree the gas lighting and we saw

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Speaker 3: this going back the last year with Justice Thomas and

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Speaker 3: his wife, Jinny. Right, Jinny has her own career, He's

776
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Speaker 3: been in the political square for many, many years, and

777
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Speaker 3: yet when she speaks out on an issue, Justice Thomas

778
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Speaker 3: has to has to accuse himself and he should be

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Speaker 3: impeached if he doesn't do that when in fact, as

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Speaker 3: you know, Ruth Vader Ginsburg's husband was at a firm

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Speaker 3: and his firm appeared many times before the Supreme Court,

782
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Speaker 3: and she never accused herself and nobody said a word.

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Speaker 3: So there's all of these examples like that, Senator of

784
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Speaker 3: you know, the double standard, as you said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm at Mark Poleetta on Twitter. I write a lot.

786
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Speaker 3: I have a lot of fact filled articles. I just

787
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: wrote one today was published today in a National Review

788
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Speaker 3: about the sale of Justice Thomas's mother's home to Harlan Crowe,

789
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Speaker 3: which was a beautiful story actually that the vicious Meetia

790
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Speaker 3: has turned into somehow Clarence Thomas being enriched at Harle.

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Speaker 2: So tell us that story, because that's another attack that's

792
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Speaker 2: out there, and tell people what happens so they can

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Speaker 2: actually understand the fact.

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Speaker 3: Sure. So Harlan Crowe, you know, has got this great

795
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Speaker 3: friendship with Clarence Thomas, but he recognizes that this man

796
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Speaker 3: is an American hero, that he represents the best of America.

797
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Speaker 3: So over the years, Harlan's been down and he's gone

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Speaker 3: down there. He's had dinner with Justice Thomas's family, with

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Speaker 3: his mother in his mother's home. This is the home

800
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Speaker 3: that she lives in, which is his grandfather's where Justice

801
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: Thomas moved when he was seven and his life was

802
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Speaker 3: transformed from this abject poverty of growing up in Pinpoint

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Speaker 3: and then into Savannah with his mom and a one

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Speaker 3: tenement into this this humble but solid home in Savannah,

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Speaker 3: and she's living there now. But Harland renovated the Carnegie Library,

806
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Speaker 3: which was that during segregation, the all black you know

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Speaker 3: library in Savannah, where Thomas first learned to kind of

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Speaker 3: love reading, and he gave a donation to renovate it

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Speaker 3: and name a wing after Justice Thomas. Nothing ran to

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Speaker 3: Justice time in that regard. There was a the Oyster

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Speaker 3: and a crab factory which was in Pinpoint, which Clarence

812
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: Thomas grew up right next to, and Harlan renovated that

813
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: into a museum. So he's down there in twenty fourteen

814
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Speaker 3: and he's near his mom's neighbor in the neighborhood, and

815
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Speaker 3: he sees that it's it's it's a lot of drug

816
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: dealers and just you know, just a bad place, not safe.

817
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Speaker 3: And Harlane asked Justice Thomas, what are you going to

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Speaker 3: do with his home when your mom passes and her

819
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Speaker 3: his mom at the time was eighty five, and Justice

820
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Speaker 3: Thomas says, I'm going to bulldoze it, and Harlan said

821
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Speaker 3: that would be terrible, like this should be a museum.

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Speaker 3: So he wanted to buy it in order to preserve it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, at the time he talked to Justice

824
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Speaker 3: Thomas by it, he didn't know that Justice Thomas even

825
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: owned an interest in it. The house had passed from

826
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Speaker 3: his grandfather when his grandfather died in eighty four, through

827
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Speaker 3: his mother, his brother who passed away in two thousands,

828
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Speaker 3: to his brother's estate. Now and his mother and Harlan

829
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: Crowe's team. He's in real estate, he's a developer, looked

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Speaker 3: at the fair market value and offered a price of

831
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Speaker 3: one point thirty three for that home plus two other plots,

832
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: lots that used to have homes on them that his

833
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: grandfather owned their one one house over on the same street.

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Speaker 3: So they entered into a you know, a contract and

835
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Speaker 3: and in the and part of that contract was to

836
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Speaker 3: give a life occumency agreement to Justice Thomas's mother so

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Speaker 3: she could live there for the rest of her life. She's,

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Speaker 3: you know, fortunately still living at ninety four, but at

839
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Speaker 3: eighty five, had entered into this contract to purchase the home.

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Speaker 3: This way he could own the property so that he

841
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Speaker 3: could preserve it and it wouldn't be sold to somebody else.

842
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: It wouldn't bulldoze. It was a beautiful story. When he

843
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: bought the crab and oyster factory to the cannery several

844
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 3: years earlier, the people who owned that, Harland wanted to

845
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Speaker 3: buy that too to be able to preserve it, so

846
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 3: he gave them a life occupancy agreement in that home.

847
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing people are saying, oh, you know,

848
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Speaker 3: they're letting Harlan Crow was letting his mother live there

849
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Speaker 3: rent free. There's nothing of the sort. It was an

850
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 3: agreement that made a lot of sense. So Harlan could

851
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: buy the property to preserve it and then allow his

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Speaker 3: mom to live there. Because he's in no rush. He

853
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: just wanted to have his home so that he could

854
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Speaker 3: he you know, he can preserve it and make it

855
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: into a museum at the appropriate time. Beautiful story. Now,

856
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: when Justice Thomas had, you know, in supporting his mother

857
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: and helping her with the homedown, and he had poured

858
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: a lot of money into his home, and so his

859
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: capital costs and the improvements to the home were such

860
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: that one that when the transaction happened and Justice Thomas

861
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: only got a third of that three so it's around

862
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: forty four thousand dollars. His capital costs were above that.

863
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: And so when he was doing the you know, thinking

864
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: about this transaction, he thought it's a loss. That's not

865
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: income for me, So I'm not reporting any income on it.

866
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 3: But then there's this section that's called transaction. It's called

867
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: it's called investments and trusts on the form, and I

868
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: think he inherited this home many years ago, hadn't really

869
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: thought of it as an investment or a trust, and

870
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: didn't put down on that part of the format there's

871
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: any transaction over a thousand dollars, So on that part

872
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: he didn't put it down there because he thought I

873
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: didn't make any money. I wasn't thinking of that section

874
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: and didn't put it down. I think he's reviewing his

875
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: forms and he's anticipated, I think, to amend that part

876
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: of the form. But that's nothing. Amendments happened all the

877
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: time right as you As you mentioned, Senator justices and

878
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: mend their forms because they realized they did someth They

879
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: need to amend it, just as Soda Mayor last year

880
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: amended her twenty sixteen forms because she failed to list

881
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: six trips that she had taken that were all paid for,

882
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: you know, flights and accommodations. Justice Jackson forgot to mention

883
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: got disclosed her husband's malpractice consultancies for many years on

884
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: her form, and she put that down belatedly on her

885
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Supreme Court forms. Nothing unusual to do that. So again

886
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: it was this transaction where you know Harlan Crowe because

887
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: as you've described, and he's an incredible patriot, he is

888
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: and sort of preserving the Clarence Thomas story. Right. This

889
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: amazing and I won't go through it. You can did

890
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: a beautiful job in the intro of where Justice Thomas

891
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: was born and how he came you know, sort of

892
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: came through life. Is just this inspiring story. And so

893
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: Harlan has, over the years, long before he he purchased

894
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: Justice Thomas's mother's home, had purchased several things in the

895
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: Savannah Pinpoint area to preserve this heritage and the life

896
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: story of Justice Thomas.

897
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: So let me underscore two things you said, because I

898
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: think that there was a lot of very important information.

899
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: You said number one, that Harlan Crowe purchased this home

900
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: in order to preserve it, in order to turn it

901
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: into a museum. Now, if you think about it, there

902
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: are museums to practically every former president of the United States.

903
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: There are museums to Supreme Court justices. There are museums

904
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: to senators and members of Congress. There are museums to governors.

905
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: We normally think of erecting museums to recognize people who

906
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: have been historically significant as a public service, as recognizing

907
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: their impact by any measure, Clarence Thomas's life has been

908
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 2: historically significant. You also take this home in the context.

909
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: Justice Thomas's autobiography is entitled My Grandfather's Son. It's a

910
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: beautiful autobiography. I have actually given Justice Thomas's autobiography UH

911
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: to teenagers, in particular to to to African American teenagers,

912
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: to inspire what is possible. The journey that he traveled,

913
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: facing real and serious discrimination, facing real and serious hardship,

914
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: and rising to the very pinnacle of of of the

915
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: legal profession. UH is is powerful and inspiring. It's inspiring

916
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: to all of us. And and so you know, I

917
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: for one, am grateful that that Harlan is stepping forward

918
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: to commemorate that history, to to to provide for a museum.

919
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: But but it is a fairly bizarre concept that by

920
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: by creating a museum there's somehow something untoward or corr

921
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: on that, particularly a museum where Justice Thomas lost money,

922
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: and the sort of related notion that well, but Harlan

923
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: Crowe didn't evict his ninety four year old mother from

924
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: the home. If you're going to turn it into a museum,

925
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: you know what he might have been the mustache twirling

926
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: villain if he'd thrown the ninety four year old out

927
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: and said, sorry, you're on the street, lady. Good luck. Like,

928
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: it's not a strange notion to say, we're going to

929
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: buy this and turn it into a museum, but we're

930
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: going to allow you to live in your home until

931
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: the time comes that you pass. That is a normal step.

932
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: And then so the one, the one little attack they

933
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: have that has a tiny purchase is you said that

934
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: that well, technically he should have reported it. Now I

935
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: will note, as you did, Supreme Court justices amend their

936
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: disclosures all the time. I will tell you, as a senator,

937
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: I have to file a financial disclosure every year, every

938
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: senator does, every house me does. The directions on those

939
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: financial disclosures are complicated. There are Caine. There's a whole

940
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: team of lawyers in the Senate who advise you, and

941
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: so you'll have a question about a particular transaction, how

942
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: do I record it? And by the way, that team

943
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: of lawyers sometimes changes their mind. So one year they'll

944
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: tell you to record a particular transaction one way, and

945
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: the next year they say no, no, no, We've decided

946
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: you record it another way. And so it it is

947
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: our Caane. There's a lot of gray area, and so

948
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: justices and justices also have lawyers at the Supreme Court

949
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: who advise them on that Justice Thomas has said he

950
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: relied on the advice of the lawyers at the Supreme

951
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: Court for how to fill out his form. And if

952
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: it is the argument of the left that amending your

953
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: form shows aha, you did something wrong or corrupt, I'm

954
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: willing to wager something. I can't prove this, but you

955
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: could actually research it and find out the answer pretty quick.

956
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: But I'll wager you twenty bucks. Ben At every single

957
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: Democrat on the Judiciary Committee who has been on the

958
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: committee five years or more has amended their form at

959
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: least once.

960
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna bet you that, but I was gonna

961
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: go for one hundred because that's that's how certain I

962
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: was that what you were about to say is absolutely right,

963
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: because like, there's no way they haven't been amended yet.

964
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, maybe the brand new members haven't done

965
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: it yet because they haven't been there long enough. But

966
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: if you've been there five years, Look, amendments are just

967
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: part of the process, and it's complicated, it's byzantine. And

968
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the senators who've amended their forms

969
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: are corrupt, but it is absurd to demonize Clarence Thomas

970
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: because a museum is being erected in order to recognize

971
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: his historical contribution. And if that's corrupt, you know, last

972
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: I checked, there's an Obama museum. Last I checked, there's

973
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: a Bill Clinton museum the state. By the way, Thurgood

974
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: Marshall's childhood home is preserved as a museum. The standard

975
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: ought to apply across the board fairly. And all of

976
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: this attack is a nakedly hypocritical political attack. It is

977
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: not a substantive criticism on the merits.

978
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Don't forget. As the Senator mentioned earlier,

979
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: we publish this on Tuesday. We will do it again

980
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: on Friday and get you the latest news of the

981
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: day there, but this was an important way, and with

982
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: this issue up in Washington on Tuesday, that's why we

983
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: published a day early. Please make sure you share this

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986
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Speaker 1: is trying to do here. Mark, it was a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on as well. Thank you for joining,

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