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Speaker 1: No leaks yet, right, we haven't found anything to leak

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, Come on now, Congratulations, Skippy, you've

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Speaker 4: Ruble as often as we can, and twice in this

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Speaker 4: to pay homage the forballer hood sending in questions via email,

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Speaker 4: via Twitter, x whatever we're calling it now, Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 4: here and address this question from Colin out on verballers Dot.

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Speaker 1: Do we still have our PO box? By the way,

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Speaker 1: for a true, the truest anybody can just Stu Mandell,

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Speaker 1: John all these people. They can take emails and tweets

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Speaker 1: and you know whatever, Instagram questions, true letter writing. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we could get five true handwritten letters asking

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Speaker 3: I know we could. I got rid of the peobox.

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Speaker 4: Collin out on verballers dot Com writes, it seems clear

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Speaker 4: there is that sentiment out there. I'm not so sure

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Speaker 1: So can I practice real quick? Please call me crazy,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, Jacob on X. Does college football need.

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Speaker 1: College football need a CEO?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we look, we've joked about this being Oliver luck

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Speaker 4: There are so many competing issues right now in college football,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any one right answer, but it's

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Speaker 1: anybody who's serving the central appeal of the sport, at

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Speaker 1: least as it appears to me, would be who I'd

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Speaker 1: be in favor of.

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Speaker 4: We got two questions here from Patreon. Yeah, two comments here,

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Speaker 4: I guess, or generally on Patreon, Jeremy, longtime support of

446
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Speaker 4: the show, says that we've seen momultiple G five head

447
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Speaker 4: coaches leave their posts to take coordinator jobs within power conferences.

448
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Speaker 4: I would branch this out to say coordinator jobs in

449
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Speaker 4: the NFL as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to know. Is the G five dead?

451
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Speaker 1: Is it dead? Ded? Dead?

452
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Speaker 4: Because of this? Is there going to be a drain

453
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Speaker 4: on coaching talent that leaves the G five ranks much

454
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Speaker 4: the way players leave the G five ranks to go

455
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Speaker 4: to bigger, more prominent spots. Is this a worrying trend

456
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Speaker 4: to you?

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Speaker 3: Dan? Is the G five dead?

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Speaker 1: It's not dead. I think a lot of it depends

459
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Speaker 1: on the individual coaches and the individual relationships they have

460
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Speaker 1: with their schools. Right that, UCLA and chip Kelly seem

461
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: to be on very different pages, and chip Kelly was

462
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Speaker 1: interviewing for NFL jobs reportedly and obviously has the connection

463
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Speaker 1: with Ryan Day at Ohio State and decided that was

464
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Speaker 1: the time to make a move where you know people close.

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Speaker 1: And we talked to Bruce Felman about this that people

466
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Speaker 1: who know Chip Kelly knows that the thing that drives

467
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Speaker 1: in the most is, you know, relationships with the players.

468
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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't dislike recruiting. I think Chip Kelly just

469
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Speaker 1: dislikes what recruiting has become. And so it's being a

470
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Speaker 1: football coach. It's calling plays, it's helping to develop players, quarterbacks, whatever,

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Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator or developed schemes and linebackers or

472
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Speaker 1: whatever as a defensive coordinator. It's case by case. The

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Speaker 1: G five isn't dead. If anything, maybe there's a rebirth

474
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Speaker 1: right that people are digging in and saying, like, no,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm I love Tulane football. And even if we lose

476
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Speaker 1: a corner here and it makes it more difficult, there's

477
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Speaker 1: something great about not being at the cool kids table.

478
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Speaker 1: That there is something unique about, you know, being a

479
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Speaker 1: fan of a team in the American and Conference USA,

480
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Speaker 1: Mountain West whatever.

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Speaker 4: Do you think this is a real concern. Do you

482
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Speaker 4: think this is a real thing at the moment or

483
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Speaker 4: do you think it is just the topic d jure right,

484
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Speaker 4: We've seen a couple occasions of this happening right. Sean

485
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Speaker 4: Lewis did it last year, went to Colorado from Kent.

486
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Speaker 1: We've saw linguists from Buffalo Tobama.

487
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Speaker 4: Molinguist Kane Wamick also leaving to go to Bama. Like,

488
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Speaker 4: we've seen this happen in a few notable ways, and

489
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Speaker 4: it seems like a bunch of them have clumped together

490
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Speaker 4: and have maybe made this feel like more of a

491
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Speaker 4: trend than it is. But I we've always seen motion

492
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Speaker 4: yep from the G five up to the Power five level,

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Speaker 4: and I don't feel like it's a new thing, even

494
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Speaker 4: though I don't have all the examples at the top

495
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Speaker 4: of my head. I don't feel like it's a new

496
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Speaker 4: thing where you've got guys in G five level moving

497
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Speaker 4: up to take a high profile coordinator job. I don't

498
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Speaker 4: think that's entirely a new thing. I think the money's

499
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Speaker 4: probably better now. I think the stakes are higher on

500
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Speaker 4: the FBS power level, But I don't I don't know

501
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Speaker 4: if this is as much of a trend as you

502
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Speaker 4: were making it out to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'd love for the timing to be better than

504
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Speaker 1: what Shawn Elliott did to Georgia State to go to

505
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Speaker 1: South Carolina to be their tight Ends coach when spring

506
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Speaker 1: practice started, and he was like, I don't know if

507
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Speaker 1: this is the place for me. That's I mean, you

508
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Speaker 1: leave an entire program high and dry in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Of sack to my point, back to my point about calendars,

510
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Speaker 4: Let's fix the calendars. Let's let's let's open up the

511
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Speaker 4: transfer portal for coaches as well.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, on a certain level, it creates opportunity. It

513
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Speaker 1: creates new opportunity for new people who maybe haven't necessarily

514
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Speaker 1: gotten opportunities for head coaching jobs, be it, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: if it's at a Mountain West school or a you know,

516
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Speaker 1: a Sun Belt school or whatever. And so opportunity is

517
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Speaker 1: a good thing. Opportunity for coaches to say, if you're

518
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Speaker 1: Sean Lewis, I've maximized what I can be at Kent State,

519
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Colorado State, or to excuse me,

520
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: go to Colorado and they've got a promising young quarterback.

521
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Speaker 1: Let's see what I can do for my career with

522
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Speaker 1: these offensive players. And he was able to leve that

523
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Speaker 1: into a bigger G five coaching job at San Diego State.

524
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Speaker 1: And so it's okay if everybody is sort of at

525
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: the end of the day nakedly all about themselves, because

526
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Speaker 1: that's just the world in which we live, and that's

527
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Speaker 1: easier to understand.

528
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Speaker 3: Man.

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something at least a little bit more authentic

530
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Speaker 1: about that. There is, And I also think there are

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Speaker 1: a number of different ways that you can achieve your

532
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Speaker 1: career objective. Like, if you are all about becoming a

533
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Speaker 1: head coach, it doesn't mean that the only way you

534
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Speaker 1: can do that is by starting at a small school,

535
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Speaker 1: taking over at a bigger school, taking over at a

536
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Speaker 1: bigger school, and then eventually taking over at a power

537
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Speaker 1: five school, power four school. Now, Right, there are different

538
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Speaker 1: ways that you can go about that. And maybe that's

539
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Speaker 1: a little bit what we're seeing right among some of

540
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Speaker 1: the top G five level coaches, where they are recognizing

541
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Speaker 1: that this maybe is a quicker path to get to

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Speaker 1: that eventuality.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think the G five is dead. I

544
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Speaker 4: think a far cry from it. I think there will

545
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Speaker 4: always be Kenny Dillingham talked about this, right, he worked

546
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: for nine years to be a coffee boy. Right, there

547
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: are always guys that I think are willing to work.

548
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Speaker 1: Granted, he's at Arizona State, which is a big place.

549
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Speaker 4: He's at ASU now, but I do think that there

550
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: will there will not be fewer number of guys who

551
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: are out there willing to take over G five programs

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: because of what we've seen from a select few. I

553
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Speaker 4: understand why in the case of like Sean Elliott, if

554
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Speaker 4: you're a Georgia State fan, I understand why, if you're

555
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: a fan of any of these programs, this is this

556
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: is like particularly demoralizing. But I just well, I like,

557
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Speaker 4: I would need to see this happen for like five

558
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Speaker 4: more straight years.

559
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Speaker 3: Before I'm willing to admit that there's a trend.

560
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Look, and I think it's also all of this is

561
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Speaker 1: happening as there are major changes in the sport that

562
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Speaker 1: schools either weren't prepared to navigate or weren't sort of

563
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: had their head in the sand about reality. And so

564
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: now what will happen is with if a head coach

565
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Speaker 1: is interviewing at Georgia State, if a potential head coach

566
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Speaker 1: is interviewing at Ken State, if a potential head coach

567
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Speaker 1: is interviewing at Boise State or whatever, they can now

568
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: be a lot savvier and say, what is my what

569
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Speaker 1: does my assistant pool look like? What does my like

570
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: collective pool look like right that you're not just necessarily

571
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Speaker 1: interviewing with the school, but you're having conversations with donors

572
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Speaker 1: about like, look, if you want me, I need a

573
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Speaker 1: commitment to get you know, three and a half million

574
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Speaker 1: dollars a year here at Boise State, you know, every

575
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Speaker 1: year for the next three years. That coaches can now

576
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Speaker 1: feel like others are holding up their end of the bargain,

577
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: and now it's a financial end of the bargain. That's

578
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: not just about their salary, their own salary. They like,

579
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Speaker 1: how are you going to take care of assistants? How

580
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: are you going to take care of players in my program?

581
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Speaker 1: That's something Jed Fish pointed that when he moved from

582
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Speaker 1: Arizona to Washington, he was like everything I did, And

583
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he talked about this on Ari's podcast.

584
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I just saw it. I apologize for not having the source,

585
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: but he was adamant that he was genuine and authentic

586
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: about everything he did at Arizona, but he was going

587
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: to get a ton more for his assistant coaches at Washington.

588
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: And so I think head coaches are only as good

589
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: as there the administration behind them and the assistants behind them. Whatever,

590
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and obviously as good as the roster is. And so

591
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: if a coach is able to get a commitment from

592
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: a collective, from an administration financially ahead of time when

593
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: he interviews, then maybe that coach is going to be

594
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: more secure in that place and is not going to

595
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: be poking around. We just happened to be living in

596
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: a time where everybody's figuring it out on the fly.

597
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot happening all at once, and I

598
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: think if you try to look at all of it collectively,

599
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: it feels like it's a hot mess. That's not to

600
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: say it isn't a hot mess. There are certainly parts

601
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: that are more of a mess than others. But the

602
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Speaker 4: coach movement, on top of the NIL uncertainty and the

603
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: portal and the conference re alignment and the playoff is

604
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: a lot happening right now. So I get that sentiment, Jeremy,

605
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 4: and I appreciate the question. And sometimes you just need

606
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: a reboot, right, Sometimes you need restart the router. Speaking

607
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: of which, Yeah, question from Chaka on Patreon, And this

608
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Speaker 4: is kind of like a reverse Jeremy in a sense.

609
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Speaker 1: I don't recommend doing a reverse Jeremy without stretching by

610
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: the way, continue, he.

611
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Speaker 4: Says, Eric Benemy is back in college football at UCLA.

612
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Curious as to which traits you would look for in

613
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: hiring an NFL guy to coach in college football? And

614
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Speaker 4: in general, are you for or against bringing NFL coaches

615
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: to the collegiate ranks. So, you know, we've talked a

616
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Speaker 4: lot about college guys going pro, but what about some

617
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: pro guys coming back to the college ranks.

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Speaker 1: I would hesitate on a pro coach going to the

619
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Speaker 1: college ranks if he were over thirty seven, thirty five,

620
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Speaker 1: over forty something like that, just because of the energy needed.

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Speaker 4: And are you telling me that the Herm Edwards experiment

622
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Speaker 4: did not work well?

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Speaker 1: Interestingly, Herm Edwards hired like exclusively twenty five year old assistants,

624
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Speaker 1: so he did farm out the energy. Now did they

625
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: do all of the summer reading on the NCAA's infractions list.

626
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: They did not. No, No, they did not. It didn't

627
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Speaker 1: work out he built I think it was. We talked

628
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Speaker 1: about this recently. Like the twenty twenty one ASU roster

629
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Speaker 1: was super impressive, like Jaden Daniels and Johnny Wilson and

630
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Speaker 1: all sorts of players that went on to go to

631
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Speaker 1: other schools in the NFL and have a good amount

632
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Speaker 1: of success. There is something like you look at what

633
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Speaker 1: Michigan has done with defensive recent defensive coordinators, and you

634
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Speaker 1: know Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter spent time I think

635
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Speaker 1: with the Ravens before. When a Vanderbilt. Oh yeah, that

636
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Speaker 1: if it's somebody who's young enough that you can depend

637
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Speaker 1: on energy wise, recruiting wise, and just the demands, the

638
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: three hundred sixty five day demands of a college coach.

639
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: If if that's a fit, then I don't have a

640
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: big problem with that. But I don't know how old

641
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: is Eric Maanam fifty four? Who did he play for

642
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the Chargers. I want to say, oh my god, yeah,

643
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: certainly coming back to southern California where he has the ties.

644
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Speaker 1: I don't see it as a long term solution as

645
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: a position coach or a coordinator, because it seems that

646
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: everybody wants would prefer to be in the NFL in

647
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: this moment in terms of lifestyle, even if the money

648
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: isn't equal. If you're a high level coach, I'd be hesitant.

649
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Speaker 1: I'd be hesitant to hire somebody fifty four to be

650
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Speaker 1: a major part of a major program.

651
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously had a very prosperous college career at Colorado,

652
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: but yeah, yeah, it was with San Diego for four seasons,

653
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: Cincinnati for four seasons. Closed out his career in ninety

654
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Speaker 4: nine with the Eagles. I think what I would look for.

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Speaker 4: I think the youth is worth the conversation. It's more

656
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Speaker 4: of an energy thing than it is an age thing.

657
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Speaker 4: But you just have to be up for it. We've

658
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: seen a lot of older coaches kind of speak to

659
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 4: the perils of the current moment in college football.

660
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Well, just if you're in an NFL rhythm, right, if

661
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: you're used to a certain if you've grown accustomed to

662
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: a certain coaching lifestyle, then you're thrust into it after

663
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: twenty seven years away. It's different, No, man, I think

664
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: it's different. I would more tactically look for a guy

665
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: who doesn't run the most complex system in the world.

666
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to pretend to know Eric the

667
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: enemy's system. There will be time to learn it. You

668
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: don't get as much practice time.

669
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: No, at the college level, you've got I think a

670
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: little bit more coming and going at the college level,

671
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: with guys rotating in, rotating out of the system. It's

672
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 4: harder to install a complicated system at the college level.

673
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: It just is, and so I think keeping it simple.

674
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: I think keeping it maybe as a derivative of what

675
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: you've run previously, is an interesting way to go about

676
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: hiring your next coach. Yeah, it's probably a great case

677
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 4: for hiring from within in cases where it makes sense

678
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: to do so. But I just wouldn't want it to

679
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 4: be a total culture shocked. Certainly, not for the coach,

680
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: definitely not for the players who have to run whatever

681
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: system the guy's trying to put in place. I think

682
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: that's probably the most important thing outside of the whole

683
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 4: energy aspect of it. And you know, that's a personality

684
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: trait more so.

685
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: Than a football one.

686
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: Outside of that, I'd want to run a system that

687
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: I know and I have confidence in when it comes

688
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: to installing it.

689
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like a lot of these are just

690
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: big name, flashy hires, not necessarily, and the Michigan ones

691
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: have been not that at all. Right, Mike McDonald was

692
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: not a household name when he was brought in to

693
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: ann Arbor. But I don't know. It does like for

694
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Deshaun Foster to bring in Eric b Enemy. Now I

695
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: think is savvy in that he's a lot more experience,

696
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, to Sehn Foster's on the younger end, has

697
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: experience at UCLA. You bring in somebody who you know

698
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: is more of an authority figure within the sport. I

699
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: think it can be a really good short term move,

700
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: but as it like a long term answer, I don't

701
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: necessarily see it all right, Let's do a couple more here.

702
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 4: This one from Kenneth out on X If you had

703
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 4: to guess right now, which way too early top ten

704
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: team alliteration ends the season unranked, in which unranked member

705
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 4: of a question winds up in the top ten at

706
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: the end of the season. So he's playing this thing

707
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: both ways. I have in our shared document the Way

708
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 4: Too Early Top twenty five from our friend Stuart mandel

709
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 4: Over at The Athletic. He wrote this once and then

710
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: he revised it after all of the motion and commotion

711
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: that took place throughout the month of December in January,

712
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: so he's put some thought into this. I agree with

713
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: maybe half of it, but that's sort of the purpose

714
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: for these columns. I don't know about being unranked, who

715
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: is starting in the top ten and then falling way

716
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: the hell out out of the top twenty five and

717
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 4: finishing the year unranked. I could maybe take some guesses

718
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: at that. I think the more likely way that you

719
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: approach a question like this is who in the top

720
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: ten are you most confident is not finishing in the

721
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: top ten, and who outside the top ten, maybe on

722
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Speaker 4: this top twenty five list not unranked, who that is

723
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: not in Sue's top ten ends up there at the

724
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: end of the year. Okay, right, I have a couple

725
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: of schools that jump out to me as ones that

726
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: I think will not be in the top ten at

727
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: the conclusion of the season, and for different reasons. He's

728
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: got here's his top ten. He's got Georgia, Ohio State, Texas,

729
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: Oregon one through four, Ole, Miss Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama

730
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: five through eight, and you taught in Oklahoma State. To

731
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: close things out, I would drop Michigan out. There's just

732
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: going to be a ton of turnover at Michigan, like

733
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: the schedules create, and the schedule's brutal, and so Michigan

734
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: could be a really good team and finish outside of

735
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 4: this toime. They could finish fourteenth and be a really

736
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: really good team.

737
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: But he said outside, I said unranked.

738
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Speaker 4: I'm just not I'm not going to answer the question

739
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: that way. I don't okay, Michigan.

740
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Could Michigan finish unranked with the schedule with the turnover?

741
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah they could. I don't think it's likely, but I

742
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: think it's possible. Oklahoma State. Do you know who Oklahoma

743
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: State opens the season.

744
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: With two time national champions South Dakota State. Yeah, the

745
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: Mighty Jacks. They also have Arkansas, Yeah.

746
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: Mighty Jacks'. I don't know why Oklahoma State's ten on

747
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: this list.

748
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: This felt really.

749
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: High to me.

750
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 4: Un ranked tie, No, they should be ranked, but as

751
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: number ten, I don't get that one.

752
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: So I would look at I would look at non

753
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: conference portions of the schedule and a team who is

754
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: crazy dependent on a quarterback to win all of their games, right,

755
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: because if anything happens to said quarterback, then the season's

756
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: completely ruined. Oklahoma State started the twenty twenty two season.

757
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: They received nine votes to win the Big Twelve and

758
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: finished four and five in the conference, seven and six unranked.

759
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: So you have to go all the way back to

760
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two for Oklahoma State to pull that out.

761
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: Ten feels very high at me on Stew's list. Okay,

762
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: the other one that I think, I think you can

763
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Speaker 4: make a case that though they're a good team, they

764
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: don't finish as a top ten team. Old Miss. Old

765
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 4: Miss has a crazy good roster right now, and link

766
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: Kiffin has obviously been continuing his portal king, but that

767
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: schedule is really fricking backloaded. The last six weeks of

768
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 4: Old missus schedule or murder. And so it's not hard

769
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: to envision a scenario in which Ole Miss starts the

770
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 4: season like eight to no and then drops a couple

771
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 4: in the last month.

772
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Speaker 1: Of the year. You know how it is.

773
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: When you lose late, it's tough to kind of stay

774
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: in that top ten. It's like a recency bias, right,

775
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: you're gonna fall a little bit farther. And so I

776
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: think Old Miss at number five right now. I understand

777
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: why Steve's got them as high as he does, but

778
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: I think with the schedule I could see them falling.

779
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: I have a lot to see from Utah. I mean, look,

780
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: ham Rising's back, but new Conference and I don't know,

781
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff a ton of injuries last year. No,

782
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they're automatic to me. I don't see

783
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: them top falling out of the top twenty five. Is

784
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: there a team outside of the top twenty five that

785
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: you could see surging? I see, I'm on this list.

786
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: I've got teams outside of the top ten that I

787
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: could see surging. Yeah, I don't know about out of

788
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: the top twenty five, like I could see. I think

789
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: Penn State is a top ten team. Makes a lot

790
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: of sense. A lot has to go right with the offense,

791
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: but I think the schedule is better this year and

792
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: they could finish easily ten and two and finish as

793
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: a top ten team. I think Penn State he's got

794
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 4: him at sixteen. I think Penn State is an easy

795
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: answer to finish in the top ten. I could see

796
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: Clemson working their way back up into the top ten. Okay, LSU,

797
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: I think LSU will be fine. I think they need

798
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: to sort their defense, but there's plenty of talent on hand.

799
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 4: I think LSU will be very good again.

800
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: I think Texas A and M.

801
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: Honestly, Texas A and M has a lot coming back

802
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: for as much as walked out the door. Mike Elko

803
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: is a guy who in his time as a head coach,

804
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: has proven that he can get results pretty quickly, So

805
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: SEC schedule.

806
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: Notre Dame week one.

807
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: It's not going to be an easy road to get

808
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: into that top ten, but I could see it happening

809
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: with A and M's talent that they've got on hand.

810
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Folk Hero, Avery Johnson and outside of the top twenty

811
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: five finishing in the top ten, Chris Climban does nothing

812
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: but largely win.

813
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: You heard it here first, TI Kansas State.

814
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Outside of Stu Mandel's right, am I missing Kansas State

815
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: on this list?

816
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: Kansas State is not on this Kansas is number eighteen

817
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 4: on this list, but Kansas State nowhere to be found.

818
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Avery Johnson, you heard it here first? That's all? Are

819
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: they lose? Colin kleinb not insignificant?

820
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 4: But do we want to add this to our take

821
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: volcano that we're.

822
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Built Take volcano the Jason Pierre Polcano. Kansas State, U

823
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: T Martin Tulane to start the season two lane on

824
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: the road, New coach. They're road games, Kansas State's road

825
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: games BYU Colorado, West Virginia, Houston, Iowa State.

826
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: That's really workable.

827
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god's not bad.

828
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: It might be a playoff team.

829
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: If Avery Johnson is is him? I just I like

830
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: looking at the number of quarterbacks. They've got the best

831
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: quarterback probably in the conference. I think, unless I'm missing somebody,

832
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, depends how you feel about Cam Rising returning.

833
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: But Noah Fafeed is at home. T mac so new

834
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: coach Houston will see on Kansas health. On offense, they

835
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: have a new offensive coordinator ASU I think will be improved.

836
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: But they get them at home Iowa State. It's gonna

837
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: be tough on the road Farmageddon. I'm just I'm ready,

838
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: ty I'm ready.

839
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to add that to take a toa I'm

840
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: building the volcano now as we speak. It's going to

841
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 4: be behind me. It's gonna be over my right shoulder.

842
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: It will have it will be fabulous. Okay, I'm building it.

843
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: It's upstairs.

844
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: You're putting in work, you're putting in the unseen hours grinding.

845
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be like a two week project to

846
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 4: get this thing built. Yes, we're gonna have a volcano

847
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: where we put all of our hot takes. And I

848
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: will include that one alongside Andy Staples, which was that

849
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck is going to be this year's Michael Pennox.

850
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that one now, do we have to

851
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: stick with the Jason Pierre Polcano as its name.

852
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think we've settled what the name of

853
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: the volcano is. Could we honor different college football palls

854
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: via the volcano? We like the name Paul cano. Yes,

855
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 4: we like naming the volcano Paul. I think it's an

856
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: open question as to which Paul's we honor. Like obviously

857
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: Paul find Bomb, you know, noted college football talker.

858
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Eh.

859
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're not We're not crazy about on.

860
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, we got Paul Rhoades, Paul Rhodes, Paul Paul Lusny

861
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: if I pronounce that correctly, Paul Paul Lesniye, Paul Paul's Lesnie.

862
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: Excuse me. I think we can find enough Paul's yet,

863
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: Paul Tyson yep. I think we can find enough Paul's.

864
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Or it could just rhyme with like all right, some

865
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: sort of all first or last name to give us

866
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: the volcano.

867
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: We've named our volcano after Paul Richardson, former Colorado standout

868
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 4: wide receiver.

869
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: We could call it the Noah Cano, right, because you

870
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: could find canes within the sport.

871
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: We do need some help figuring out what the name

872
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: of this is because the original name was tak a

873
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: toa And yeah, the concept is we're going to take

874
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: all the hot takes over the span of a year.

875
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: We're going to feed them to the volcano, and then

876
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: we will, you know, have an eruption at some point

877
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 4: later on in the year, and we'll go through the

878
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: mall sort of our little time capsule of sorts. But

879
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 4: in actual I'm building the model volcano upstairs. It's eighteen

880
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 4: inches tall.

881
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: It's huge. You won't be able to miss.

882
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: It Mount Saint Kellen Clemens.

883
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: We just need a name for it. I know, I

884
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: like take a toe.

885
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: Of the most Take a toe is pretty good.

886
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: Final question here, This one comes to us from d

887
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 4: Smith and Tristan out on Patreon, sort of a joint question.

888
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: One asks what are the best hand symbols done by schools?

889
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: So hook them the Oregon oe, the Miami you, et cetera,

890
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: et cetera.

891
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: There's a ton, yeah, Tristan.

892
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: Tristan also asks what are your favorite game day traditions?

893
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 4: So the buffalo at Colorado, the spear throw at Florida,

894
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: stay at the Ohio, chant, the wave at Iowa, et cetera.

895
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: So let's just let's group these together. Well, are there

896
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: some that are missed in terms of hand symbols here?

897
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are. You've got fight on usc yep, yep.

898
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: I think he's he or she. D Smith said, et cetera,

899
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: et cetera. You've got the bear claw right at Baylor.

900
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: You got gigum, you got tc like, you got a lot,

901
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: You've got like guns up Texas Tech. Does that count

902
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: because it's two hands, it's not a single hand symbol.

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: It's a hand symbol.

904
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it counts.

905
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: It definitely counts.

906
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: What are we missing? I like horns down? Horns down? Man,

907
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: we got to talk about horns down.

908
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: This is this is the opening through which hornsdown walks

909
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: onto this podcast. Are you offended by horns down the

910
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: way it seems some are offended by horns down?

911
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: No, I don't think anybody's actually offended by horns down.

912
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I think it's just sort of fake outrage by Texas people.

913
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, continue, I think horns down is my answer here.

914
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Houston Nutt who popularized it after the Bowl win way

915
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: back when that image of him kind of going horns

916
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: down to the audience, to the crowd, yeah, is timeless.

917
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: See to me, I have a clear winner. So horns down,

918
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: which is an unofficial, right, it's not Oklahoma doesn't like

919
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: it's not in like the student handbook. No, so it's

920
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: an unofficial. It's great. We love the spirit of that.

921
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I have a clear winner about

922
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: the best one, and that's the gator chump. Oh, the

923
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: gator chomp. If we're saying, if we're allowing two handed

924
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: hand symbols, we are the other ones. Your hook EM's,

925
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: your oregonae, your fight ons, whatever, guns up. You can

926
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: do those in subtle ways when you see like, oh

927
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: there's another like Texas fan at like the Charlotte airport.

928
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: You know, hook on whatever. That's cool, it's subtle. It's

929
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: so ridiculous to extend both of your hands to do

930
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: an alligator chomping motion in an airport, in a grocery store,

931
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: at a game, at a family reunion, to either say

932
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: hey I am also a fan, or hey, haha, we

933
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: just beat Auburn blah bahdye blah. The gator chomp, full hands,

934
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: full hands extension, to me, is the ultimate like ridiculous.

935
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: No other sport has something quite like this, Like you

936
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: would kind of feel compelled to do it in a

937
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: boardroom if somebody else in the boardroom was like, actually,

938
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm a Miami fan and Florida had just beaten Miami.

939
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: The U is cool doing the U with the two hands,

940
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: It's undoubtedly cool. The chomp is the best because of

941
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: how silly it makes everybody instantly look. And I'm incredibly

942
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: and enthusiastically for that silliness.

943
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: Is that a close cousin of the tomahawk chop?

944
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: And it's also fun to it sort of is, but

945
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's also fun to do ironic

946
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: trash chomps after a kicker hits, you know, a game

947
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: winning field goal against Florida, and to chomp at the students.

948
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect motion. Would change nothing.

949
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: I like the U use great, but you can do

950
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: it subtly. You can do it subtly. And I had

951
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: not considered the full on gator chomp. But I mean

952
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: technically the U, technically the O. Yeah, those both incorporate

953
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: both hands. So there's no reason we can't incorporate the

954
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 4: gator chump as part.

955
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: Of this gator chump. To me, it's just it's thus

956
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: standard in terms of how ridiculous this sport is that

957
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: somebody in a corporate setting would gator chomp somebody genuinely

958
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: or ironically. It's perfect.

959
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: It is perfect game day traditions from Tristan.

960
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, love Ralphie, love fire on the field, love Ramsey's.

961
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: I love live animals, especially if they're cared for responsibly.

962
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 4: I love.

963
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 3: God.

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00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: The favorite one like, Okay, so I've been to a

965
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: bunch of stadiums. I've seen a bunch of these. I've

966
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, seen cannons be shot off, I've seen giant animals.

967
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: I have a clear winner for this one. Okay, the

968
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: clear winner is the Sooner schooner. You've got a ridiculous

969
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: wagon involved. Yeah, it is a ridiculous wagon. And I

970
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: did the research on the wagon to see what goes

971
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: into building it, and they have taken certain engineering steps

972
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: to ensure that it does not tip over as it

973
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: has in the past. There is some real thought that

974
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: goes into how they build this damn thing. Yeah.

975
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 4: The ridiculousness of having a horse drawn schooner speed out

976
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 4: and do turns on a field before a game is

977
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 4: like peak college football to me, man, it really doesn't

978
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 4: get any better than that. So for me, it's the Schooner.

979
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Smoky at the Tennessee game Pool. Yeah,

980
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of any live dog that we

981
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: can incorporate, especially one as active as Smoky Dubs.

982
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, love Washington, love that.

983
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: I love that part of it. I'm also a fan

984
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: of Traveler. Like maybe I'm a simple guy at heart,

985
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: but the guy riding.

986
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Out on the white Horse.

987
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: Sure, it's just it's stupid.

988
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen in the NF. You don't have any

989
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: of this crap in the NFL. Yeah, it's all stupid,

990
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: and I love all of it. So that for me,

991
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: if i'm ranking, the Schooner is so dumb, it's brilliant.

992
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: And I say dumb not as a pejorative, but just

993
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 4: as as it's part of the college football charm. The

994
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: Schooner one, I probably put Smoky two, and I'm gonna

995
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: put Traveler three.

996
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate anybody who has to change their physical appearance

997
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: to be a live human mascot, So like the Leprechaun,

998
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: the West Virginia Mount mounta here, I always appreciate that

999
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: that we love commitments to the bit. I love of

1000
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: Texas tech fans throwing tortillas because it involves preparation. Yep,

1001
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: it involves you don't just have to learn a song.

1002
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: You don't just have to you have to bring Mexican

1003
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: food to a game in order to take part. To me,

1004
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: animal wise, I think Ralfie's unmatched because that is a

1005
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: full on dangerous animal that has plural handlers to make

1006
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: sure the animal does not run a muck and cause injury.

1007
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: Why a live bison, buffalo, whatever is on the field

1008
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: at Colorado, There's not a great reason beyond tradition. And

1009
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: I would be genuinely sad and upset that is.

1010
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: To be to be one of the Ralphie handlers. Is yeah, literally,

1011
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: at Colorado a varsity sport. It's athleticism, it is. It

1012
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 4: is literally a varsity sport. They get they get varsity

1013
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 4: letters as part of that.

1014
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: That would make me upset. My favorite is, I mean,

1015
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: just gonna be a stupid homer, just a ridiculous Oregon duck,

1016
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: giant duck doing pushups right, riding out on a motorcycle.

1017
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm riding out on a motorcycle. Just everything ridiculous that

1018
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the mascot, it's one one of the few mascots in

1019
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: the sport that dresses up on top of the mascot,

1020
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: right that, Like, if it's a blowout, the duck will

1021
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: put on pajamas because the other team is being put

1022
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: to sleep. I love taking that to the next level.

1023
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: And I just happened to be an Oregon fan and

1024
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: a lum so that's my homer pick there. But in

1025
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: terms of mascot, it's that. Is there a song? Is

1026
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: it still House of Pain in Wisconsin that's the standard?

1027
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Is it Metallica at Virginia Tech? I think it's Metallica.

1028
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: Is it Sandstorm at South Carolina?

1029
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 4: I think it's Fatallica at Virginia Tech.

1030
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: You still think that is the standard in the sport?

1031
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, I do. Sandstorm is fun. But Metallica

1032
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 4: in Blacksburg, Man, it's tough.

1033
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: I think it's jump around personally, Okay. I love well

1034
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: between and I love that teams have been unafraid to

1035
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: like do their own thing, like Florida adding Tom Petty,

1036
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: Oregon adding shout between the third and fourth quarter. Like

1037
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: I think Tech copied House of Pain, which was so

1038
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: lame between the third and fourth quarters. I don't know

1039
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: if they still do, but at one point they added it,

1040
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: but I still think jump Around is my my number one.

1041
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: I like Dixie Land Delight, although it's geographically not accurate

1042
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: at Alabama, and then the other one that is in

1043
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: that category to me, and it's almost there is Country Roads.

1044
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: It's still jump Around because of the physical and country Roads.

1045
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: You sway and you you know, you put your arms

1046
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: round like that's all great. The number of people going

1047
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: berserk to a random nineties rap song in Madison, Wisconsin,

1048
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: of all places. Yeah, I think that's still my number one.

1049
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: In terms of the music element. I love like the

1050
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: very specific band stuff like the drum leader at Penn

1051
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: State doing the flip. Who does the flip?

1052
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: Penn State does the flip?

1053
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Penn State does the flip, Ohio State dots the eyets.

1054
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: I love the band stuff. The sport isn't the sport

1055
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: without any of these things. But yeah, I think it's

1056
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: still jump Around.

1057
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,440
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Speaker 4: our super Mega February Q and a week.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to add someone. I'm still I'm

1071
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Speaker 1: just running through traditions right now in my head. Dabbo

1072
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: running down at one thousand frames per second. Somebody needs

1073
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Speaker 1: to capture that. For me. It's not dabbo shaming. It's

1074
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Speaker 1: just funny to me to see a coach doing a

1075
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Speaker 1: full on sprint down down a hill. Yeah that's oh god,

1076
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Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah. Any of the like on field stuff

1077
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Speaker 1: before the game is great. I love it all, I

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Speaker 4: From the verbawler hood, all the questions that come in

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Speaker 4: gives us a chance to stretch out and maybe not

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Speaker 4: focus on the doom and gloom for a moment or two.

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Speaker 3: It's always fun to do that, Dan.

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Speaker 4: I agree for that guy there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 4: Ty hilden Brandt.

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Speaker 3: We will talk to you all soon, next week, soon,

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Speaker 3: and meantime, stay solid, peace,