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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The series of deaths and

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Speaker 1: Here's what we do know. So far this year, seven

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Speaker 1: Five of them had similar symptoms of pulmonary edema, fluid

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Speaker 1: what caused those symptoms. The FBI is conducting their own

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Speaker 1: toxicology tests on three of the deaths. Two others have

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Speaker 1: been deemed natural causes, both heart attacks by island medical officials.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm going to believe something an island medical official

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Speaker 1: of America. Can tourists in Dominican Republic? Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: and what a coinkie ding that suddenly? Otherwise, healthy people

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Speaker 1: to the list of the dead. I Meancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. What the hay is going on in

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Speaker 1: the dr the Dominican Republic? He just can't keep ignoring

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Speaker 1: one death after the next and the latest. A teen

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Speaker 1: there as other vacationers suffered mysterious illnesses on the island.

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Speaker 1: This little girl named Candela did to return home. She

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Speaker 1: What now? Joining me an all star panel? Judge Ashley Wilcot.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner out of South Carolina and

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Speaker 1: find him at Stephen Lampley dot com and joining me

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Speaker 1: right now Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Ellen Kill

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Speaker 1: Lauren Ellen. How many people are dead from vacationing in

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Speaker 1: Dominican Republic? Nancy? It looks like we're looking at at

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Speaker 1: least ten deaths that are were very sudden among otherwise

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Speaker 1: So I've got to conflict at ten verses twelve dead

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Speaker 1: details on the litist, but this is a very disturbing development.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Ellen, what are doctors saying about it?

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear what some Island doctor says,

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Speaker 1: Dominican Republic may be under Tourism is plummeting in Dominican Republic,

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Speaker 1: as it should from America after all of these deaths,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there are more than what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And I know you're basing your numbers on stats and

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Speaker 1: me just give you an example. Eka For instance, when

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Speaker 1: we have a known serial killer, let's just take ten.

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Speaker 1: right now. Ellen, I'm very suspicious it's related to tainted alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, did you see what

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Speaker 1: That can come from heart failure, It can come from

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Speaker 1: drug overdoses. It can come from infection and such as that.

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Speaker 1: So yes, there are a number of causes and several

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Speaker 1: things that definitely need to be ruled out. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me understand something to you, Ellen Klaurin. These are three

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Speaker 1: of the taxicology reports, and I'm learning that from Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: What about the other toxicology reports. Well, that's the thing, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: we have so many more questions than we have answers

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Speaker 1: on this. The autop scenes have largely been completed in

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Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic, and families of the people who died

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Speaker 1: have said publicly that they disagree strongly with some of

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Speaker 1: the claims that are being made. And it does seem

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Speaker 1: like authorities in the Donic and Republic are dragging their

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Speaker 1: feet about toxicology and that the FBI has needed to

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Speaker 1: get involved in order to get blood samples from some

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Speaker 1: of the people who died under mysterious circumstances. Now, Stephen Lampley,

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00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: you can find him at Stephen dot com, crack Detective.

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00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: That's making me mad because the Dominican Republic, as Ek says,

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00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: dragging their feet. I got another word for it, hiding information,

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00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: hiding information, suppressing information about dead Americans. Now we might

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Speaker 1: not know these twelve victims, we may have never heard

446
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Speaker 1: their names, but I guarantee you they have a family,

447
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: just like I do, and just like you do. It'll

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Speaker 1: be a cold day and you know where before I

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Speaker 1: go to them Dominican Republic. But that's just me. Some

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Speaker 1: people may not be worried about it. I am no

451
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Speaker 1: way am I going to take my twins or let

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Speaker 1: my husband if I could stop him from going there.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, what does this mean? How do you drag

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Speaker 1: your feet on toxicology reports? Did you hear what they

455
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Speaker 1: just said? The FBI is having to get involved, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: The FBI has, and of course their their job. One

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Speaker 1: of their many many tasks is to protect American citizens

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Speaker 1: even abroad. From that, they really took an effect like

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Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen eighties. So they have become involved.

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Speaker 1: And I understand they have gotten several blood samples and

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Speaker 1: have returned them to Quantico. But it's going to take

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Speaker 1: several weeks before we know anything from that. But I agree,

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Speaker 1: I will not be I will not be going to

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Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic. And you have to understand, we don't

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Speaker 1: know why kind of undo, maybe even evil influence the

466
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Speaker 1: doctors are having on these medical exams, on these toxicology

467
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Speaker 1: reports to keep it quiet so they don't interrupt their tourism. Guys,

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Speaker 1: when I'm saying each of these victims have a family,

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend NBC's Morgan Chewsky. I thought something's

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Speaker 1: not right. My father's a healthy, seventy eight year old

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Speaker 1: recurrent died in January, falling ill after dinner and drinks

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Speaker 1: at the Dreams Resort in Punta Kana. That resort stressed

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Speaker 1: their standards, saying in a statement guest room mini bars

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Speaker 1: are only stalked with sealed bottles of liquor, which are

475
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Speaker 1: purchased from a single license in bonded vendor less than

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Speaker 1: two years ago, Dominican authorities shut down five labs manufacturing alcohol,

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Speaker 1: seizing over a hundred tanks of product unsuitable for human consumption.

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Speaker 1: The US State Department has declined to comment on reports

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Speaker 1: that tainted alcohol could be responsible for any of the

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Speaker 1: American deaths. You know, when I'm hearing that story, it

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Speaker 1: just breaks my heart. When she says her dad was

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Speaker 1: a healthy seventy eight year old, I have those same feelings. Remember,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, when my dad passed away. I know he

484
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Speaker 1: was in his eighties, but he and I exercise together

485
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Speaker 1: all the time. I had to run to keep up

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Speaker 1: with him when he walked fast. We would dance together,

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Speaker 1: we'd go on vacations together. I would drag him my

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Speaker 1: mom to be with me and David and the twins

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Speaker 1: all the time. He never complained very healthy. So when

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Speaker 1: you hear seventy eight, there's a big difference between somebody

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Speaker 1: sitting in a rest home and someone active and up

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Speaker 1: and about to suddenly fall ill. You see what I mean, Ashley?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So my mother's eighty four. She does yoga

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Speaker 1: every day, she does headstand. She's in better health than

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Speaker 1: I've probably ever been. So I agree with you. It's

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Speaker 1: two very different things, and age doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 1: not active and energetic and out there enjoying. Why you know,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me? You guys are gonna shudder

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Speaker 1: when you hear this Ellen colorin about traces of insect

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Speaker 1: to side. There is a million dollar lawsuit brought by

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Speaker 1: a very young couple against the Bay Principal, which is

502
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Speaker 1: where we have other deaths happening, and they have said

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Speaker 1: that they have seen a doctor after Calin Noll had

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00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: very your symptoms of dauzia, blurry vision and what she

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00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: returned her family doctor told her that she had been

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Speaker 1: exposed to a toxic insecticide. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tonight,

507
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Speaker 1: the State Department monitors yet another investigation of an American

508
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Speaker 1: tourist who died in the Dominican Republic and whose family

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Speaker 1: is asking questions just to day after her fifty third birthday.

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Speaker 1: Leila Cox, a radiologist from New York, died from what

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Speaker 1: officials say was a heart attack, but her son claims

512
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Speaker 1: she was healthy. It's been a NonStop nightmare just trying

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Speaker 1: to get her body and her remains back, trying to

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Speaker 1: get answers this after at least eight American deaths in

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Speaker 1: the last twelve months at different resorts across the island.

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Speaker 1: Families all around America asking questions. Nobody give me a

517
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Speaker 1: solid answer on how she passed away. Everything is being

518
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: mistracted and miskewed. I get new information every single day.

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Speaker 1: It was just two weeks ago when Nathaniel Holmes and

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Day seen here kayaking on the island. We're both

521
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: found dead in a dr resort. Autopsies performed on the

522
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Speaker 1: island said they died of respiratory failure and pulmonary edema.

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Speaker 1: The husband of Miranda Werner says she died after drinking

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Speaker 1: from a mini bar in her room. He and the

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Speaker 1: relatives of Nathaniel Holmes and Cynthia Day now wait for

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Speaker 1: toxicology results. Officials they're saying there is no evidence so

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Speaker 1: far that the deaths are connected, and are urging tourists

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Speaker 1: not to rush to judgment while these investigations unfold. Right,

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Speaker 1: don't rush to judgment dead bodies, all American tourists in

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Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic. You're hearing from our friend Gio Benitez

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Speaker 1: at ABC News. But what says the Dominican Minister of

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Speaker 1: Health listen scientific there's no speculation. It's as I see

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Speaker 1: footmosis him deeve helped. Doctor Raphael Sanchez Cardeniz says medical

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Speaker 1: reports show the recent American tourist deaths in the country

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Speaker 1: are not related. You know. CBS News was able to

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Speaker 1: look at the records. The minister insists that the autopsies

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Speaker 1: performed on at least eight Americans who died this year

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00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: showed they had at least one pre existing condition for

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Speaker 1: morbid obesity to hypertension. At least five died of similar symptoms.

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Speaker 1: What do we have here, tourists who arrived at the

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Speaker 1: pre existing conditions and die in this country as they

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Speaker 1: do in all countries. I feel that, Okay, somebody had hypertension,

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Speaker 1: somebody was overweight. What is that like fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: our population, Doctor Michelle Dupre. How would that explain insecticide

545
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Speaker 1: being in some of the victims bodies? It does not.

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Speaker 1: It does not at all explain that in sectified in

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Speaker 1: someone's body has nothing to do with whether they're overweight

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Speaker 1: or any other pre existing con that is something that

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Speaker 1: is extraneous or should not be there. Well, take it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Our friends at CBS News Cesar Divarne, spokesperson for the

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Speaker 1: dr Foreign Ministration. Tropical paradise in the Caribbean. The Dominican

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Speaker 1: Republic is a tourist destination to six point six million

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Speaker 1: vacationers a year, says our Duvernai is a spokesperson for

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Speaker 1: the Dominican Foreign Ministry, and insists the deaths are unrelated

555
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Speaker 1: and isolated. What do you say to Americans who feel

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Speaker 1: that it is unsafe to visit here? They safe. More

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Speaker 1: than six million people visited and most of them North Americans,

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Speaker 1: So we don't think it's a good representation. The country

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: is very safe, and the best thing they can do

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Speaker 1: is just to lay out the numbers and the facts.

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Speaker 1: There were two other deaths with similar symptoms at those

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Speaker 1: same resorts last year, and the US Embassy here in

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Speaker 1: Santa Domingo says at this point there is no proof

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Speaker 1: that any of these deaths are in fact related. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if there's not a problem, why are they not handing

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Speaker 1: over the autopsies and all of the information. What about

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00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: that Steve lamp place. You and I agree there's an

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Speaker 1: immense amount of pressure to make these cases not related.

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Speaker 1: But then as if you go back and look at

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Speaker 1: these the first six of these deaths and going all

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Speaker 1: the way back to twenty sixteen, six of these deaths

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Speaker 1: all happened in one city, and then the next three

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Speaker 1: all happened in another city. This is not random. This

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Speaker 1: is not a bunch of tourists coming to a country, visiting,

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Speaker 1: having fun and randomly dying off that. This is not random,

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Speaker 1: you know. Another issue is, if these are all natural causes,

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Speaker 1: why are hotels and casino suddenly removing those replaceable liquorate dispensers.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at CNN. A New

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Speaker 1: York Area man has died while vacationing in the Dominican

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Speaker 1: Republic fifty six shold Orrio Caruso, the tenth American tourists

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Speaker 1: to die there in the past year. Carusoe's family was

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Speaker 1: told he died of respiratory distress and possibly a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: Dominican officials are struggling to reassure worried tourists the deaths

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Speaker 1: are isolated events in time. The Hard Rock Hotel in

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Speaker 1: Putakana says it's removing those liquor dispensers from guest room

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Speaker 1: many bars. It says the decision has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with two deaths that occurred. There nothing to do at

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Speaker 1: all with the deaths. I find that really hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, Delta Airlines announces money back if

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Speaker 1: you want to get out of your trip to the

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Speaker 1: Dominican Republic, Ellen Colora, what more can you tell me? Yeah? Say,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to note that some of

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Speaker 1: the claims that are being made in these preliminary autopy

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Speaker 1: reports are not at all matching what the families are

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Speaker 1: saying about medical histories. There's a woman in her fifties

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Speaker 1: from fat n Island who her family said she was

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: told only help the Layla Cox and Dominican authorities have

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00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: said that she had her autopsy. Her preliminary autopsy showed

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Speaker 1: that she had previous heart attacks. Her family says, no,

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Speaker 1: she didn't. Another preliminary reported caned by Fox News for

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Speaker 1: Joseph Allen, another man in his fifties from New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: says that he was a ticking time bomb and he

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Speaker 1: had the body of an eighty year old. I've read

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Speaker 1: a few autopsy reports and that's not language that I

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Speaker 1: typically see in them. You know, another thing, how can

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Speaker 1: it be a natural death when a husband and wife

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Speaker 1: are both found dead in their hotel resort room, and

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Speaker 1: that was at the Grand Principe La Romana Resort in

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Speaker 1: Dominican Republic. I'm talking about Daniel Edward Holmes and Cynthia

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Speaker 1: and Holmes, both of them dead according to the autopsy,

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Speaker 1: respiratory failure and as doctor Michelle Dupree says, fluid accumulation

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Speaker 1: in the lungs edema. Another one, I think it was

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Speaker 1: Cynthia also had cerebral edema. Okay, what's that? What's cerebral edema?

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Speaker 1: Fluid on your brain? Doctor Dupree? Exactly, That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is. And again, all of this is very suspicious.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I'd like to point out is when

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Speaker 1: autopsy are done and toxicology is requested, a battery of

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Speaker 1: tests are done for toxins and poisons. But those are

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Speaker 1: standard in most cases. If we don't know what we're

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Speaker 1: looking for, there are other things heavy metals, exotic drugs

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Speaker 1: and things like that that will not be detected if

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Speaker 1: we don't know to ask for them. And this is

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Speaker 1: what's concerning to me, you know, in another thing, I

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Speaker 1: wish you could see them. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: you can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. And

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Speaker 1: we're looking at Nathaniel Edward Holmes and Cynthia and Day.

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Speaker 1: She's just forty nine. Now they're not skinny, but they're

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Speaker 1: just normal. They're normal weight. And there they are posing

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Speaker 1: on the back of a boat with the ocean behind them,

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Speaker 1: all happy. In Dominican Republic. They're both found dead in

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Speaker 1: their hotel room, their luxury resort hotel room. Well, how

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Speaker 1: can that be natural causes for both of them to die? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the issues. So if you have one

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Speaker 1: person that seems healthy, you hear all the time about

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Speaker 1: super healthy athletes that do have a heart attack with

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Speaker 1: no history and do pass away. If you had one

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Speaker 1: person maybe too unrelated, that might be plausible. But where

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Speaker 1: they're smoked their fire, they're too many, and like you said,

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Speaker 1: for both of them, not think all of these individuals

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Speaker 1: had heart attack. And what did the dr Dominican Republic

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Speaker 1: have to say about a forty nine year old woman

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Speaker 1: in the prime of her life. She's obviously happy and healthy,

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Speaker 1: big smile on her face, out on the ocean on

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Speaker 1: the back of an outboard of eka. What they say

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Speaker 1: about her natural causes the Ministry of Public Health spokesman

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Speaker 1: said in an interview that Cynthia Day probably died apart

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Speaker 1: now recently engaged, dead next to her. Okay, hold on,

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Speaker 1: just a monument. Let me let that sink in. What

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Speaker 1: did you just say she died of shock? He says. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what them saying that about Cynthia Day. If

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Speaker 1: you could see her happy, smiling face out love and

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Speaker 1: life with her fiance out on the ocean, having a

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Speaker 1: great time, healthy, exuberant, and they say she died of shock.

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Speaker 1: To me, that taints every single thing. The Dominican Republic

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Speaker 1: is saying. I want answers, and don't you know the

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Speaker 1: families of these dead Americans want answers too. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,