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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome in to another episode of the Tailgate,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by tikket Master. It is the day

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Speaker 1: before Halloween, and it is three days before your Minnesota

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Speaker 1: place of Chad. Chad gets a couple of breaks this year,

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Speaker 1: show favorites that need to come on and talk about

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Speaker 1: their team. This week, we have the most recurrent guest

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Speaker 1: in the history of the tailgate, Detroit Lions super fan,

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Speaker 1: a guy who was more fun to talk to when

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, the great Zach Martine and Zach, we

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Speaker 1: I need to start with something we touched on. I

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Speaker 1: the Bobby Lane curse.

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight, the Lions trade Bobby Lane to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: He is the Patrick Mahomes of his time.

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Speaker 1: They trade him and he places a fifty year curse

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Speaker 1: All I'm hearing, Zach. All I'm hearing is everything that

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Speaker 1: I said, the opportunity that when when it happens, Because

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Speaker 2: I buddy, I'll tell you. The angst is all on

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Speaker 1: Here's my question for you on that story that doesn't

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Speaker 1: You should have won your title two years ago. I

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Speaker 1: injury issues, you know, stuff like to be more happenstance

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Speaker 1: if you're able to get all the way through the

435
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Speaker 1: season team intact. Do you believe it'll be the first

436
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Speaker 1: time the Lions get to showcase their real team in

437
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. What is your long haul vision right now?

438
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Speaker 1: I want it on record for when we talk later

439
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Speaker 1: in the season.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, to your point of losing players last year, absolutely,

441
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Speaker 2: I think we go much further in the playoffs, and

442
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Speaker 2: I do believe that we would have made the super

443
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Speaker 2: Bowl if we did not lose sixteen starters. And I

444
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 2: know there's only eleven on that side, but okay, you

445
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: lose your starter, then the next man up and then

446
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: he goes down. I mean, I've in my and I'm

447
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: a football fan. I like just obviously the Lions are

448
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: my favorite team, but I am a football fan and

449
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: I follow the game. I have never seen one side

450
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Speaker 2: of the ball decimated like that, like season ending injuries

451
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Speaker 2: to first and second string. So I do think things

452
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Speaker 2: would have been different last year had we been able

453
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Speaker 2: to maintain some health. Now onto this year, I absolutely

454
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Speaker 2: think that we are built to go deep into the

455
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Speaker 2: playoffs and showcase what kind of team we actually are.

456
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Speaker 2: And I would I would I would push to what

457
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Speaker 2: we saw against Tampa Bay in that secondary step up

458
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: we got you know, we did get the return of

459
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Speaker 2: Alee McNeil, but we only had like so, we did

460
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Speaker 2: not have a starting corner out there. We did not

461
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Speaker 2: have a starting safety out there. We had guys that

462
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Speaker 2: were on the practice squad. We had guys that were

463
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Speaker 2: just and they were they were locking guys down. They

464
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Speaker 2: were locking good receivers down. Uh, they were locking Mecca down,

465
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Speaker 2: they were locking Mike Evans down. I mean, Baker Mayfield

466
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Speaker 2: only threw for I think two hundred and fifty yards

467
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Speaker 2: and in the first half, I think they only had

468
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Speaker 2: thirty yards offense. So if we can maintain health and

469
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Speaker 2: we continue to play the way that we've been playing

470
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Speaker 2: on offense, yeah, I one hundred percent thinks one hundred

471
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Speaker 2: percent think we can do it.

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Speaker 1: I've asked you this question before, and it's just I'm

473
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Speaker 1: just checking in on it. It's a little callback to

474
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Speaker 1: what we spoke about earlier in the show, but I'm

475
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Speaker 1: just checking in on it because I want to keep

476
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Speaker 1: getting it on record for as long as it takes,

477
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Speaker 1: because it's either going to be a relevant question at

478
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Speaker 1: some point or it's going to be a completely irrelevant

479
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: wrong question. Will there come a point in time where

480
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Speaker 1: the gamble nature of the way your team approaches things

481
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: rubs you the wrong way? Is there an amount of

482
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Speaker 1: like if you go into the playoffs this year and

483
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: the gamble bites you, will you start to wonder like, hey,

484
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: maybe we should reel it in or are you still

485
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: all in on this identity? I just and I know

486
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Speaker 1: the answer. I just want to keep putting you on

487
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Speaker 1: record because some someday I am going to put a

488
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Speaker 1: montage of your answers together.

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Speaker 2: We well, you have offered a different context in this question.

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Speaker 2: What is the scenario where I would be sick of

491
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Speaker 2: the Campbell gamble? And that is if it was blatantly

492
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Speaker 2: obvious that Dan Campbell was losing his mind and going

493
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Speaker 2: for it egregiously on you know from Mark two or

494
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Speaker 2: you know, and and over and over and over again.

495
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Speaker 2: If there was clear cut evidence that Dan Campbell had

496
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Speaker 2: some sort of stroke on the on the sidelines and

497
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Speaker 2: was calling ridiculous, then I would be like, Okay, maybe

498
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: we need someone. But until that happens, and I don't

499
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Speaker 2: think it will because the man is fit as a

500
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Speaker 2: fiddle inside and out. That's right, he too has a

501
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Speaker 2: big brain. I think that you know, I'm one hundred

502
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Speaker 2: percent in on the identity because I think you live

503
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Speaker 2: by the sword and you die by the sword. I'm

504
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: not gonna be the guy. I'm never gonna be the

505
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Speaker 2: guy who's like, yeah, we did it on fourth dollar,

506
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Speaker 2: we got there, Oh, we took this chance. On the

507
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Speaker 2: other all the trick plays, Oh my god, yeah, and

508
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Speaker 2: then it doesn't work, and I'm like, screw this guy.

509
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Speaker 2: That is not a fan, that is not someone who

510
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Speaker 2: follows the team the way that I follow the team

511
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Speaker 2: and the way that I love this team.

512
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Speaker 1: You did a great job of answering that question the

513
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: way everybody answers every important topic in arguments in our

514
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Speaker 1: society currently, which is like, yeah, there's evidence, but let

515
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Speaker 1: me tell you what I decide for what.

516
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Speaker 2: You don't get to contextualize your question and then recontextualize

517
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Speaker 2: my answer. You don't get to do that, my friend.

518
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Speaker 2: Are you You're losing your mind if you think that

519
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: is going to fly here on the tailgate. It's my

520
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: tailgate now. It's my tailgate now, and you're losing your mind.

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Speaker 1: Of course I'm losing my mind. Of course I am.

522
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Speaker 1: I am beyond losing my mind. I started this show

523
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Speaker 1: by pitching like. My pitch to you was that this

524
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Speaker 1: against one of the best teams league. I've told I'm

525
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: the sort of pressure I'm putting on my team that

526
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: I have no control over, which is this is a

527
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Speaker 1: get right game, going into one of the best team

528
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Speaker 1: in the league's buildings when they got healthy and are

529
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Speaker 1: coming off a bye. Yeah, Zach, my mind is gone.

530
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Speaker 1: But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: As a friend, I want you to know that when

532
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: you used the verb I need, I did get a

533
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: little concern. I was like, Okay, maybe I should send

534
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: him some muffins. Tell do you like poison Berry? I

535
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: know you like.

536
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: I love Huckleberry, but.

537
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Speaker 2: Good nice, nice.

538
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: Some good old fashioned bitterroot valley Huckleberry. Your team is

539
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: gonna lose.

540
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh you like something that's bitter.

541
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: My team is gonna get right, and the gamble will

542
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: bite you now and again when it's important. Those are

543
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: my predictions. What do you think the score is gonna be? Well, okay,

544
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: well here's what I'll tell you. We do do the

545
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: since Chad came onto the show, we do do the

546
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: prediction segment a little bit differently. Okay, you do a

547
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: score prediction, then you do a player prediction, and then

548
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Speaker 1: you do a personal prediction.

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Speaker 2: Before I make my prediction, what is McCarthy's status. He's down,

550
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Speaker 2: McCarthy's playing.

551
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Speaker 1: Okay, McCarthy's that's my understanding. Jay can text me if

552
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But as of this recording, my understanding is

553
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is our quarterback this weekend.

554
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Okay, now go on with your example. I didn't mean

555
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Speaker 2: to interrupt.

556
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I just needed to know. I think you've got that

557
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: big old brain, Zach. Come on, come on, you you

558
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: clearly you clearly understand. How like my personal prediction for

559
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: this week, because that's the one you maybe need help with.

560
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: Is I predict that I will be the least appropriate

561
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: I've ever been in our text thread on Sunday. I

562
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: just see that coming. And I wouldn't have had that

563
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: prediction before this episode, but I see it coming. Score

564
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: player and personal.

565
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Speaker 2: Score player and personal. I think that the score is

566
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Speaker 2: thirty eight to seventeen.

567
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Speaker 1: That is egregious. You're an egregious person.

568
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Speaker 2: Thirty eight to seventeen. And I just want to be

569
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Speaker 2: clear that it's the Lions that get the thirty eight,

570
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: and we understood that, and the the Packers that I'm

571
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: sorry the Vikings. I was just thinking about teams I

572
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: prefer less than the Lions. I think that we get

573
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Speaker 2: the thirty eight and then the Vikings get the seventeen

574
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Speaker 2: and the only reason you get that last seven is

575
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Speaker 2: it's a garbage time touchdown and we've pulled all our starters.

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Speaker 1: Who's your player? That was a Greek? Who's your player?

577
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Speaker 2: My player this week has gotta be Jamison Williams. He's

578
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: been too quiet and he's just too good. I think

579
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Speaker 2: he has oh boy, five receptions for eighty plus yards

580
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: and one of which is a thirty plus yard touchdown, and.

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Speaker 1: My immensely specific my what did you want? No, it's great,

582
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Speaker 1: it's a good point.

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Speaker 2: My personal prediction is, as I was telling Jay before

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Speaker 2: the show, November seventh is my ten year anniversary with

585
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Speaker 2: my wife. So on Sunday I will be in Mexico

586
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Speaker 2: with my with a with a drinking my hand and

587
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: my iPad on the other watching this game, and I think, uh,

588
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get a I'm gonna put a

589
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: lion like a lion's emblem on my chest, my bare

590
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: chest that I've oiled up, and just get a nice

591
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: tan tattoo, a sun a farmer's tan tattoo of the

592
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: Lion's emblem. And then as soon as we get that,

593
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: that's that win. I'm gonna look over at my beautiful

594
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: wife and I'm gonna just be like, Babe, we did it.

595
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna plan a big kiss onre Goes.

596
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: It's not ten years in. I go no, the Lions won.

597
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I have started to disdain this show, speaking of the

598
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: word disdain that has come up so often throughout the

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Speaker 1: programs today. I think you're right about the seventeen, but

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna score the seventeen will be at

601
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Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty five. I think that.

602
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: Twenty five yards. That's probably a good estimate for you. Yeah,

603
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: you're probab gonna get about one hundred twenty five yards.

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Speaker 1: I think all this talk about your secondary I think

605
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: JJ's had enough time to rest. I'm gonna buy the hype.

606
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy the hype. I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna

607
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: homer in on a level I haven't because I've got

608
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: to match your homer level. So guess what I think.

609
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is gonna come in and knock the shoes

610
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and socks off everybody. And those two wide receivers Jet

611
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: j J J Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jets,

612
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Jordan Patterson, they are gonna eat your

613
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: little braggy secondary apart. I think one hundred yards for

614
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: each guy. And I'm changing my personal prediction. I am

615
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna text your wife and have her send me a tattoo,

616
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: a picture of your son tattoo, so I just have

617
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: access to that every time, every time I need it.

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Speaker 1: Moving into the future, despite how this went, I sure

619
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: care about you lot hey and real quick you and

620
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this because it's important to me. But

621
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it reflects how I feel about the program.

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Speaker 1: You're a fantastic stand up.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks.

624
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Speaker 1: You have a brand new special out, sure do. It's

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Speaker 1: called A Lot to Live For? Correct?

626
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Speaker 2: That's it?

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on YouTube. How can people find it? What's

628
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Speaker 1: the easiest?

629
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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Just search your name?

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Speaker 2: Z A H M A R T I N. I

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Speaker 2: just searched that and yeah it's been up now it's

633
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Speaker 2: gonna be two days ago. I put it up and

634
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Speaker 2: it's been doing really really well and the feedbacks when

635
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Speaker 2: positive and I'm proud of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of it as well, and I'm proud of

637
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: you for that and nothing in your football world. I

638
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: care about you and we will see you. What do

639
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: we are? We last game this season?

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00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Second Las last game this season, which would be greatcause

641
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: it could be a lot like the game we had

642
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're doing and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: be a part of it. I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: a part of a big thanks Zach for coming on

646
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Speaker 1: the show. We appreciate it, and thank you to all

647
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Speaker 1: you guys for listening to our podcast feed while you're here.

648
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Speaker 1: Give a review. Do the stars write the words? It

649
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: helps us a lot. Finally, a huge shout out to Ticketmaster,

650
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Speaker 1: the official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping

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Speaker 1: this show happened. We will be back next week with

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Speaker 1: both Chad and I. Enjoy the game, Everybody