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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, haunting new leads in the

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Speaker 1: case of a beautiful young missing mom and her two

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Speaker 1: year old little girl. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Mom and daughter missing, their case classified as a homicide investigation.

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Speaker 3: Still no suspects.

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Speaker 2: How can that be?

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Speaker 1: But in the last days, as I said, very chilling,

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Speaker 1: haunting new leads have emerged in the case of this

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Speaker 1: beautiful young mom and her taught girl, Adriana just two

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Speaker 1: years old.

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panal.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out how the whole thing started.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: In late March, Jennifer suddenly stops contacting her family members.

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Speaker 4: Jennifer usually speaks with her mom at least once a

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Speaker 4: day and is in frequent contact with other family members.

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Speaker 4: Even more strange, Adriana too had been sick all week.

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Speaker 4: It isn't like Jennifer to travel with a sick baby.

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Speaker 4: After two days of no contact, Jennifer's family reports her missing.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's often called routine evidence, not that it

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Speaker 1: is routine or typical or expected, but that it is

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Speaker 1: evidence of a certain routine, and when that routine is broken,

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Speaker 1: it bodes ill again with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to a special guest

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Speaker 1: joining us. This is Jennifer Wicks's sister, Adriana's aunt, Casey

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Speaker 1: Robinson joining us. Casey, thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: and keeping the case alive. Casey, I'm very curious the

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Speaker 1: smoke signals in the distance that something ill was afoot

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Speaker 1: seemed to start. Genesis would be when she was not

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Speaker 1: contacting your mother as she normally did. Tell me about

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Speaker 1: their relationship and how often they contacted each other and.

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Speaker 5: How Yeah, I mean, Jennifer was very dependent on our family,

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Speaker 5: and she would speak to not only my mom, but

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Speaker 5: a family member of hers on her dad's side or

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Speaker 5: my mom's side almost every day and multiple people, so

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Speaker 5: not just one person, but she would talk to someone

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Speaker 5: a couple times a day, and so it was really

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Speaker 2: You know, that's very curious, Casey.

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Speaker 1: Not that she was in close touchp before my mom

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Speaker 1: moved in with me, I told to my mother and

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Speaker 1: from HLM and at night to make sure that they

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Speaker 1: were okay. You said she was dependent. Now, very curious,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean jan was dependent?

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Speaker 5: She lived with a family member. She was just twenty

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Speaker 5: one whenever she disappeared, But she lived with a family member,

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Speaker 5: either my aunt, her grandmother, or my mom and me

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Speaker 5: and my other sister her whole life, even after she

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Speaker 5: had Adriana, and she did not have a steady job,

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Speaker 5: She didn't have a vehicle, she didn't have a means

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, just a moment, just a moment.

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Speaker 1: She was taking care of her baby, wasn't she. That

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Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty steady job to me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, I stay at home mom as a job,

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Speaker 5: you're right, And she was a good mom. So she

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Speaker 5: definitely took care of Adriana with the help of all

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Speaker 5: a means to get to and from because she didn't

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Speaker 5: have a car, she didn't have a cell phone of

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Speaker 5: her own, a bank account. So when I say she

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Speaker 5: was dependent, I mean she was truly stilled dependent of

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Speaker 2: You know, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Of course, having given birth to twins, and when I

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Speaker 1: I learned much later in the pregnancy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I would have done without my mother and father.

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Speaker 1: You know, they would drive up. I was in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: hearing what you're saying. I don't find that curious, but

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Speaker 2: In the middle of New York at midnight, trying to

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Speaker 2: find baby for mere. You did it, so I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it now, Wen.

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Speaker 1: Did you first realize Hey, wait a minute, I haven't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be on Friday in March twenty sixth

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Speaker 5: My mom last spoke to her on Wednesday evening and

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Speaker 1: Don't stop the videos, New York. I'm seeing the most

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Speaker 1: incredible videos. I believe I'm looking at you when you're

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Speaker 1: a little girl. Yeah, I'm seeing the most incredible videos

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Speaker 1: baby Audriana, and she is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: She's got these piercing eyes. Her eyes blue.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very very bright blue, which is which is

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Speaker 5: odd because Jennifer had brown eyes.

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Speaker 6: But Adriana resembles her dad.

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Speaker 2: You know. There she is in the hospital after giving birth.

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Speaker 1: The bond between Jennifer and that's the one where she's, oh,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, she I don't know if you can see

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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, but Adriana is just she's like a

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Speaker 2: She's beautiful, like a little cherub. And what's so disturbing.

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Speaker 1: About this case? I'm going to circle right back to you,

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Speaker 1: Casey Robinson. Lauren Colin joining me. I'd like to keep

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Speaker 1: Crime on YouTube. Lauren, it's not just that Jennifer goes missing,

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Speaker 2: That is very rare, actually, Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 1: If you look at statistics regarding criminal law, that a

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Speaker 1: mother and the baby both go missing and there's no trace.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Nancy, it's incredibly suspicious. And what's even more suspicious

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Speaker 8: Stories have been so conflicting.

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Speaker 1: Two people to disappear at the same time. Joining me

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Speaker 1: Buddy Mitchell is with us now number one. He is

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Speaker 1: the Wicks fan only private investigator with ABC Investigative Services.

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Speaker 2: But for my purposes.

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Speaker 1: This guy thirty four years on Nashville PD rising to sergeant.

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Speaker 1: That's not easy. And I can tell you in Nashville

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Speaker 1: you've seen it all, Buddy Mitchell. I've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of kidnappings. I've prosecuted them, i've investigated them, I've covered them.

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Speaker 1: But I don't see two people getting kidnapped at the

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Speaker 2: That's rare, and there's a reason I'm pointing this out.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of two people getting kidnapped at

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Speaker 9: Well, it's hard to wrap your head around. First of all,

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Speaker 9: it was put all put down as a runaway that

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Speaker 9: she just left, which I find that was a little alarming.

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Speaker 9: She would not leave her the baby stuff at the

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to write down everything you're saying, because, Buddy Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, that's an incredible insight. Now it

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Speaker 1: may seem like everybody's going yeah, of course, but you.

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Speaker 1: And it's really important because Jeff Klishevski joining me, a

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Speaker 2: You can find them on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff Klishevski forensic psychologist doctor Jeff. When I would

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Speaker 1: it was an SUV and pack it full of stuff

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Speaker 2: Two car seats, two baby beds.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing, the bottle warmer, the this that you

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Speaker 1: want to tell me that this mom just takes off,

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Speaker 1: That's total be as And I've had it with local

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Speaker 2: What boyfriend? She's having some me time. That's not what happened.

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Speaker 2: Why does this keep happening over and over? Run Away?

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Speaker 2: She's not a runaway, right?

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Speaker 10: doesn't make sense. You wonder, is that the people investigating

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Speaker 1: Thinking every through everything back to you, Casey Robinson, this.

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Speaker 2: Is Jennifer's sister.

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Speaker 1: When you first realized you hadn't heard from Jennifer, what went.

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Speaker 2: Through your mind? Did you ever think, Oh, she's just.

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Speaker 1: On a walk about, she's with her other boyfriend nonexistent,

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Speaker 2: Did that ever crossed your mind?

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Speaker 6: No, not once. Adriana was Jennifer's life.

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Speaker 10: Not once.

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Speaker 5: Also, my sister and I were very close, so she

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Speaker 5: There's no way in the world she would have just

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Speaker 5: she had plans to leave, but like, it wasn't character

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Speaker 6: She wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: So, Casey Robinson, when you and your family realize you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen her, you can't find her. Did you believe

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Speaker 5: Immediately, myself, my whole family, my mom, we knew something

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Speaker 6: This was out of character for Jennifer.

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Speaker 5: So we just started driving around looking for her around town,

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Speaker 2: What did police tell you? Local law enforcement tell you

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Speaker 5: I'm at first they said that she potentially just needed

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Speaker 1: The police actually said to you, she needed a break.

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Speaker 1: They said that I can't believe this, Actually I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. That doesn't make it any better. What did

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we said that's just not true. There's something wrong.

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Speaker 5: we just didn't believe what they were saying, and we

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Speaker 2: So what did you tell them when they said that?

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Speaker 2: What was your response?

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Speaker 5: And we said, we need you to go to where

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Speaker 2: Did they do it?

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Speaker 5: They did, Yes, they sent some deputies over to the

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Speaker 4: In late March, Jennifer suddenly stops contacting her family members.

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Speaker 4: Even more strange, Adriana too had been sick all week.

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Speaker 4: After two days of no contact, Jennifer's family reports her missing.

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Speaker 3: Oh worry family desperately searching for a missing mom and

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Speaker 12: The Robertson County Sheriff's Office starts at the home Jennifer

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about those sidings too, Lauren Colin,

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Speaker 7: The sightings turned out to be completely bogused. There were

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Speaker 8: Those turned out to be not true.

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Speaker 1: Casey Robinson, do you remember getting the news that there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we remember for hearing that initially that they had

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Speaker 1: You know, Casey, you just mentioned Sightings and cross Plaine, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Now it's my understanding there's a very low population of less.

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Speaker 2: Than two thousand people in cross Plaines. Is that right,

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Speaker 7: Yet, ma'am, the population was about thirteen hundred people now

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Speaker 8: Is it closer to two thousand?

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Speaker 2: Just thinking through whether that helps or hurts?

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Speaker 1: Joining me being the Powers high profile lawyer out of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: He is at legalpowers dot com. Ben, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. And the reason I'm asking about the

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Speaker 1: you've got a giant population. I just recently was investigating

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Speaker 2: That could have been anybody. There's millions of inhabitants. But

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Speaker 1: As small as this two thousand, I mean I grew

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Speaker 10: It does.

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Speaker 13: It's a small community, it's tight knit and cross planes

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Speaker 13: also going to know about each other's business. Because a

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Speaker 13: lot of cross planes and small communities, it's very family oriented.

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Speaker 13: Larger families, you know, where moms, dads, cousins, aunts, uncles,

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Speaker 13: they're equally large, So everyone looks out for each other,

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Speaker 13: everyone's into everyone else's business. And so with that's small

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Speaker 1: Know, and I understand it's just a little over eight miles,

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Speaker 2: In all, eight point three square miles.

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Speaker 1: That also reduces the territory the land that law enforcement

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Speaker 1: has to cover. Of course, someone that took her and

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Speaker 2: So we've got that going on as well. Now we

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Speaker 1: Of course, the grocery store siding no good, the gas

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Speaker 2: No good.

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Speaker 1: So where is not only Jennifer, but she's got baby

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Speaker 1: Adriana in two How.

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Speaker 2: Easy is it to just disappear on your own?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could take a bus, a

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Speaker 2: None of that happened. So where is she now?

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Speaker 1: We know that she was last sighted by the boyfriend Benton.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: Joey Benton tells Robertson County Sheriffs that he last saw

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Speaker 4: Jennifer and Adriana at their home on owens Chapel Road

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Speaker 4: two days ago around nine thirty pm. Benton says, someone

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Speaker 4: driving a white four door Sedan picks Jennifer and Adriana

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Speaker 4: up and he hasn't heard from her again. Benton can't

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Speaker 1: I want to analyz that just in itself. Heytails Robertson

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Speaker 2: Owens Chapel Road two days before. Let me just start

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Speaker 2: with that two days before. Right there.

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Speaker 1: I've got a problem, Casey Robinson joining us. This is

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Speaker 1: Jennifer's sister number one, They go to him. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: call anybody and say, hey, where's Jennifer? Have you seen Jennifer?

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Speaker 1: Where's the baby? He doesn't go to police, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: contact mom, he doesn't contact you, nobody. Two days, two days.

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Speaker 1: If I had not seen my husband in two days,

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Speaker 1: I'd be standing on my head. I would have called

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Speaker 1: I've got a problem. But in his defense, didn't.

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Speaker 2: He say Casey that they were having a tiff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he said that they were having an argument that evening.

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Speaker 1: So Casey, in the past, was there ever an incident

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Speaker 1: all that where she had left the home with Benton

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Speaker 2: Yes, had that happened before?

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Speaker 6: Yes, a couple months prior to this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, be in powers.

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Speaker 1: You see where I'm going with this high profile defense

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Speaker 1: attorney like yourself can make a lot of hay with that.

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Speaker 1: He would argue that, well, this wasn't unusual whenever they

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Speaker 13: Yeah, the past relationship and the history of it where

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, see, this is the way

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Speaker 1: You figure out what they're going to say, and then

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Speaker 1: you figure a way to destroy what they're going to say.

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Speaker 1: All right, that may be true Casey Robinson that she

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him in two days. He didn't even call.

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Speaker 1: Is that normal, Casey.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not normal at all. The first time that

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Speaker 4: March Jennifer suddenly stops contacting her family members. Jennifer usually

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Speaker 4: Adriana too had been sick all week. It isn't like

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Speaker 1: Where is young mom Jennifer Wicks and her baby girl Adriana?

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Speaker 1: Now we know that they live in the boyfriend Benton

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Speaker 11: Benton says he picked Jennifer and Adriana up and they

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lauren Colin joining me, investigative reporter and star of

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Speaker 1: Primetime crime on YouTube. Okay, Lauren, give me that again,

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Speaker 1: very slowly. Now. At first he states that she left

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Speaker 2: Explain to me what he said.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so, Joey claimed that first he brought her to

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Speaker 8: He says, he drives to the church parking lot.

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Speaker 7: He waits about ten minutes, and actually his story was

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Speaker 8: Finds out it doesn't exist. A four door white Mustang

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't stress how important car makes and

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Speaker 2: If that had been followed.

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Speaker 1: Up on at the time, maybe some lives that could

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Speaker 1: seen and he drives a white Elantra.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it goes on and on and on.

444
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: How cars, vehicles connect back to solving a case.

445
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: Now, in this.

446
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: Case, it's really curious, Lauren Colin that he gives the

447
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: specificity of a four door white Mustang, and there's.

448
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: No such thing as a four door Mustang.

449
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 8: No, there's not.

450
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: Now, no one has been named as a suspect in

451
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: this case, much less a defendant.

452
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: But you know, when.

453
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Speaker 1: People add details to their story, the devil is in

454
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: the details.

455
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: A four door Mustang.

456
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: Later that story is a white four door Sedan picked

457
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: up Jennifer and Adriana. So Casey Robinson, this is Jennifer's sister.

458
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: When you first heard that story about your sister, And

459
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: he didn't tell you himself, I don't think.

460
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Speaker 2: Didn't he tell the police that?

461
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 6: Yes, he told that to the police.

462
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: Did he ever tell you what happened?

463
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Speaker 5: He told my older sister, So she was in between

464
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: Jennifer and I in age, and my sister actually got

465
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 5: in contact with them, and he said that they had

466
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: broken up and he dropped her off at this gas station.

467
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 5: But he didn't go into detail about the car with us, No,

468
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 5: just law enforcement.

469
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Speaker 1: I mean you'd think doctor Jeff Kelschewsky that when the

470
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: baby and the mommy are both gone, that every detail

471
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: would matter. And Casey's telling us, Yeah, he didn't say

472
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: anything about our getting picked up. I mean, they're trying

473
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Speaker 1: to find her. And he didn't mention anything about the

474
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: white sedan nothing.

475
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 10: Yeah. I think there's a couple of things here. First

476
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 10: of all, when you approach this from an investigative angle,

477
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 10: you think, what would people reasonably do? You know, just

478
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 10: the idea that he never called to report them missing

479
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 10: or where the whereabouts were for a couple of days,

480
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 10: that's not what a reasonable person would do. Another thing,

481
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 10: this guy just breaks up with his girlfriend, probably pretty emotional.

482
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 10: He drops her off, she gets into a strange car,

483
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 10: and he doesn't he's not interested in who she's going

484
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 10: away with, so you know, what would a reasonable person do.

485
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 10: The other part, too, is if a person's not being

486
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 10: entirely truthful and they haven't really planned out what their

487
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 10: report is going to be, they blurt things out and

488
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 10: then they try to either embellish if it's a falsehood,

489
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 10: or they try to provide details, sometimes losing track of

490
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 10: what their concocted story is because they hadn't planned it

491
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 10: out yet, and that's where they make mistakes, and that's

492
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 10: why the devil's in the details for sure.

493
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: And then there's more. Listen.

494
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 12: Ben says the next day, Jennifer returned to their home

495
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 12: without Adriana, driving the same white car that picked her

496
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 12: up the night before. Bennen says Jennifer collected some of

497
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 12: her belongings and wanted her tax return money, which had

498
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 12: been deposited into Joey's parents' account. Joey says his parents

499
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 12: weren't home, so Jennifer planned to return for the money later.

500
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 12: Benton says this is the last time he saw on Jennifer.

501
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: And then we learn about an intense argument in the

502
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: Benton home listen.

503
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: Jennifer told family members Benton's parents were upset by Adriana's

504
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: constant crying while the toddler was sick, and they had

505
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: a blowout argument during dinner.

506
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 5: My mom talked to her on Wednesday night, but apparently

507
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 5: there had been a lot of arguing and fighting with

508
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 5: the family that night. His family the baby had been

509
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: crying a lot. I don't know what they could have

510
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: been fighting about. Jennifer didn't go into a lot of detail,

511
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 5: but she just said like his mom had like thrown

512
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 5: their dinner out the back door onto the ground until

513
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 5: her to go and get it. She better hurry and

514
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 5: get it before the dogs do just like a bunch

515
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: of like really mean, nasty things. So Jennifer was in

516
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: the room, my mom could hear the baby crying. So

517
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: my mom asked her, like after they talked about the

518
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 5: fighting and everything, like let me come get y'all and

519
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 5: like we're not that far, you know, twenty minute drive maybe,

520
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 5: And Jennifer's like, no, it's okay, Mom, Like I can

521
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: handle this. Joey and I we're gonna go on a

522
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 5: picnic tomorrow. We're gonna talk about everything. Because she wanted

523
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: to move out of their house. Mom said, Okay, call

524
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: me tomorrow, let me know how everything goes.

525
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: Well, she never did. She never called my mom.

526
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: So Casey Robinson, Jennifer's sister, there was a lot of

527
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: trouble brewing in the bench and home the night before

528
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: she goes missing.

529
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, the family was fighting. Everything had been tense for

530
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: that entire week. There were some events leading up to

531
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 5: that argument on Wednesday, March twenty fourth, and Jennifer had

532
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: gotten into an argument with Joey's mom and she was

533
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: throwing their food out like I mentioned in that video

534
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: and talking about how she's an unfit mother, and Jennifer

535
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: just wanted to move out.

536
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 6: Of this house, and Joey wasn't listening.

537
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: Bottom line, she didn't have a car.

538
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: She couldn't just crank up and drive away, but everyone

539
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: wanted her to come home.

540
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Listen.

541
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 5: Jennifer made a couple of phone calls that day, So

542
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: she made one phone call to my aunt and one

543
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: phone call to her dad, and both phone calls they

544
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: both talked about like the fight from the night prior

545
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: that she had had with his parents, and my aunt

546
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: had left her a key outside and they had talked

547
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: about like well, if things get crazy, you know, you

548
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 5: can come here. Okay, So there was her plan.

549
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: I'll call you tomorrow. I love you, the last words

550
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: a mother hears from her daughter as her granddaughter wales

551
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: in the background to.

552
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Casey Robinson, that has always been of the story all

553
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: this time, since Jennifer and Adriana missing. In the last days,

554
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: you have a conversation with Benton.

555
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: What happened.

556
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: We had a conversation recently with him, and we hadn't

557
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: talked to him in twenty years, and I reached out

558
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 5: to him and just said, hey, can we talk and

559
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: he said sure, and so we jumped on a phone conversation.

560
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: We talked for about an hour and he stuck to

561
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: the gas station story. I asked him, did that really happen?

562
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 6: Is that true?

563
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: And he said, yes, that's all true. I took her there,

564
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: I did what she asked me to do, and we

565
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: talked a little bit about their relationship and how I

566
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: just wanted to talk more about her and learn more

567
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: about her because I was so young. Then he said

568
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 5: he'd be willing to talk to me anytime. He said,

569
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: call me anytime after seven o'clock. And that was the

570
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: first conversation that I had with him, and I've had two.

571
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: What happened next, well.

572
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: What happened next is is we had some meetings set

573
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: up with local law enforcement and our District attorney's offices

574
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: here in Robertson County, and I had let Joey know

575
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: that on that first phone conversation and also social media,

576
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: so he knew that we had these meetings coming up,

577
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 5: and he actually visited the District Attorney's office on the

578
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 5: same day that we had our.

579
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 6: Meeting, so our meeting was cut short.

580
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: He came in and we learned from him directly that

581
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: he came there to tell them everything. And it wasn't

582
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: until maybe like a month or two later that my

583
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: mom sat down with him for the first time in

584
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: twenty years.

585
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: An astonishing development in the search of a missing mom

586
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: and her baby girl. To you, Buddy Mitchell, joining us

587
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: a Wick's family private investigator, former and national PD thirty

588
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: four years Buddy, what other evidence is there? And of

589
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: course no one has been named to suspect. No one

590
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: has been named to suspect at all in this case.

591
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 9: A very important uh, and you're talking about details in

592
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 9: this case is the car seat, he said, the car

593
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 9: seat was when she took the car seat and the

594
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 9: baby and got into the four door car. And two

595
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 9: days later the first officer that went to check on

596
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 9: him put in his report and that the car seat

597
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 9: within the living room, so that couldn't be in the

598
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 9: living room if they took it to the car. And

599
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 9: he asked the person to Joy Bitten how many car

600
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 9: seats they had. She said he told them only the one.

601
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 9: So the car seat is still in the living room.

602
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 9: So I think that's a very important part of the evidence.

603
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: So at this point, so much forensic evidence is gone.

604
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: So bottom line, you've got to either have another witness.

605
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to have a body, but you have

606
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: to have at least another witness. You've got to catch

607
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: him in conflicting statements if.

608
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: They even exist.

609
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Again, he's not charged, so there's going to have to

610
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: be a corroborating witness. One of the other alleged purpose

611
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: is going to have to crack, or they've got to.

612
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Find the body. Bottom line, Buddy Mitchell.

613
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 9: That's exactly right. And we have looked several places for

614
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: the body. How was there when the mother met with

615
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 9: Joy We was like five feet away, heard the whole conversation.

616
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 9: There is, like Casey said, a lot of important information

617
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 9: that we cannot give out now because the police and

618
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 9: DA asked that's not too but there is details that

619
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 9: would lead to a conviction.

620
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: I believe details well.

621
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: I know there are not anything forensic because it's too

622
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: late to use doing all at the home or anything

623
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: that's absolutely correct. So I can deduce that you're referring

624
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: to a corroborating witness that saw something or can confess

625
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to something.

626
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: Can you at least tell me that much it is.

627
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 9: Other witnesses, And I think we can find the bodies.

628
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 9: If it might take a little time, but we can

629
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 9: find the bodies.

630
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: And another thing, even if the killer discussed what happened

631
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: with someone else, that can come into evidence.

632
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: If you're talking.

633
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: About what the defendant said and the defendant is there

634
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: that that's not going to be subject to a Hear'Say

635
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: rule objection. So if it was discussed amongst other people,

636
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: if they bragged about it or talked about it, or

637
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: got someone to.

638
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: Help bury the body, all of that.

639
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Can prove the case without the actual body. But for

640
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: some reason, buddy, you feel convinced you'll find the remains.

641
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 9: Yes, and I can promise you, myself and the Wicks

642
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 9: family will never give up until we find the bodies

643
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 9: and have closure. In this case, I promise you that

644
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 9: we will never ever give up.

645
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, taking an adult is bad enough an unarmed

646
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: young mom, but the baby too. To kill the baby

647
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: two case you rob, This is Jennifer's sister, Adriana's aunt

648
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: has never let go of this case. You're not telling me,

649
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and I understand that, and I actually applaud that.

650
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt the investigation in any way.

651
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: I think that just the dynamics of their family and

652
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: how things are playing out. That's typically in cold cases

653
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 5: and longer term cases, how you know, cases are solved.

654
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 5: It takes time and someone turning on the other person.

655
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: I definitely think that's going to happen. And there's never been,

656
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: you know, a full thorough search of their property the

657
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: last place that they were seeing. So that's something that

658
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: we're pushing for. I think that law enforcement and the

659
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: DA are working on. And yeah, he's right, we'll never

660
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: give up most of our evidence as circumstantial, but I

661
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: know that there are cases built around circumstantial evidence. But

662
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 5: I think with everything that we have and if law

663
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: enforcement and we continue working on it, we can definitely

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Speaker 5: solve fine Jennifer and Adriana.

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Speaker 1: Again, let me say that there are no formal defendants

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Speaker 1: or suspects named in this case and we are waiting.

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Speaker 2: For justice to rain down like water. Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 2: good night friend,