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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We make way for Mike Florio, Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Talk Live co host. You can see it Monday through

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Speaker 1: Friday prior to this show on Peacock and the author

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Speaker 1: of Father of Mine, Son of Mine, available in e

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Speaker 1: book form on Amazon for ninety nine cents. Mike, your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Jim irsay?

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Speaker 2: He was one of kinds. Dan and Chris and I

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Speaker 2: were trying to find any other owner over the years

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Speaker 2: that was as overwhelmingly authentic in all ways. He said

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Speaker 2: what he believed. He did so many good things without

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Speaker 2: seeking any type of publicity. Tony Dungee told us a

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Speaker 2: great story earlier today about how when Tony was the

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Speaker 2: coach in his first year in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 2: his dad would come to the home games and Jim said, well,

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Speaker 2: just have him fly on the plane to the road game.

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Speaker 2: So in two thousand and three, every road game Tony's

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Speaker 2: with his dad, and his dad passed after that. Just

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Speaker 2: a little gesture like that, just caring about other people.

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Speaker 2: And he was gregarious, he was different, he was himself.

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Speaker 2: He helped address the stigma as relates to mental health.

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Speaker 2: He was very adamant about that. I just think that

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Speaker 2: he was one of a kind. He cared about his team,

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Speaker 2: he cared about his players. You never hear any Colts

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Speaker 2: players complain about the way they were treated by Jim Mersy.

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Speaker 2: So the league is lesser for him, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you read that quote. He was the only one who

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Speaker 2: was willing to break ranks and say what needed to

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Speaker 2: be said, and what he said in October twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two needed to be said, and I think it contributed

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Speaker 2: to the groundswell to make change. So Commanders fans should

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Speaker 2: be feeling very, very grateful, and they should have a

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Speaker 2: special place in their own hearts for Jim irsay, because

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Speaker 2: without that, I don't know what happens. Maybe it would

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Speaker 2: have happened anyway, but you have to respect that he

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Speaker 2: was willing to step aside from the club and say

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Speaker 2: what needed to be said.

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Speaker 1: Seemed to be a groundswell late yesterday that you had

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelcey, former Eagles center and he goes to the

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Speaker 1: owners meetings and he is a lobbyist, basically trying to

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Speaker 1: get the tush push to stay in the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what kind of impact he had, but it

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Speaker 1: felt like he did have an impact here, Mike, because

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL was doing their damnedest to get

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Speaker 1: rid of this play and.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to stop Dan twenty two

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Speaker 2: to ten the final vote. That means they only need

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Speaker 2: to get two teams to change their position between now

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Speaker 2: and next March if they try it again. And it's

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Speaker 2: clear that the league is the one that was behind this.

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Speaker 2: We reported yesterday that they basically encouraged the Packers to

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Speaker 2: be the ones to make the proposal. They have their

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Speaker 2: own system for proposing rule changes. It's very odd to me,

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Speaker 2: and they did it with two different proposals this year,

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Speaker 2: the tush pushban and the playoff seating that was submitted

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Speaker 2: by the Lions. Rod Wood, the president of the team, said,

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Speaker 2: they came to us and said, hey, how would you

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Speaker 2: like to partner on this? Well, sure didn't seem like

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Speaker 2: a partnership. It seemed like it was the Lions.

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Speaker 3: So it's just a.

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Speaker 2: Strange way of doing business. And the bottom line, I

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Speaker 2: think the commissioner wants both of those things, and he's close.

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Speaker 2: Two teams need to have their arm twisted sufficiently to

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Speaker 2: go from the yes to the no. As it relates

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Speaker 2: to the tush push. So I don't think this is

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Speaker 2: over and it's unfortunate because look, they created the atmosphere

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Speaker 2: where this play was allowed to emerge by changing the

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Speaker 2: rules against pushing the runner in two thousand and six

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Speaker 2: and allowing it. And you can make whatever case you

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Speaker 2: the day, it just comes off as we don't like

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Eagles have cracked the code and

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Speaker 2: no one else can crack it, so we're going to

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Speaker 2: get rid of it. And it makes it hard, I think,

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Speaker 2: to sell to the average person because it just feels

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Speaker 2: like kind of a petty and small attack on what

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Speaker 2: the Eagles have perfected.

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Speaker 1: If this is Tampa Bay, do we care about this?

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Speaker 1: It's the Eagles and they're winning, and they're winning a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I just wonder is it the play

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Speaker 2: I think that it's a confluence of events that have

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Speaker 2: led to where we now are. It's the combination of

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Speaker 2: the play is very effective. The Eagles are highly successful.

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Speaker 2: Dan I believe the catalyst for this, and there's evidence

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Speaker 2: to back it up. Mike Pereira, the Fox Rules analyst,

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Speaker 2: formerly the VP of Officiating. He said in the days

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Speaker 2: the referee, Sean Hockyley had to warn the Commanders, if

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Speaker 2: you do it again, we're going to award a touchdown

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Speaker 2: to the Eagle, something that's never been done in the

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Speaker 2: history of the league. A touchdown awarded for what they

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Speaker 2: call a palpably unfair act. I think someone saw that,

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Speaker 2: possibly the guy whose signature is on every football, and said,

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Speaker 2: we got to get rid of this thing. We can't

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Speaker 2: have this. And it's a bunch of different things that

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Speaker 2: came together. And the problem is they shouldn't nip this

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Speaker 2: in the bud when it first started. They should have realized, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we never meant by changing the world to will allow

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Speaker 2: pushing the runner, that you're gonna build it into your

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Speaker 2: playbook and you're gonna weaponize it, and you're gonna create

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Speaker 2: this play that doesn't look like a football play. But

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Speaker 2: they waited too long, and now it looks like an

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Speaker 2: attack on the Eagles, and when they try to give justifications,

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Speaker 2: it's almost Keystone Cops well it's a safety risk. Okay,

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Speaker 2: shows the data. Well we don't have any data. Well

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Speaker 2: it could be a safety risk. Well what does that mean. Well,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like a football play. And they're moving

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Speaker 2: the goalposts around literally on this thing, and it just

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Speaker 2: it's a bad look. It's a very bad look for

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Speaker 2: the league. And I think that every team out there

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Speaker 2: they have two challenges now, one come up with a way

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Speaker 2: to do it. Two, come up a way to stop it.

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Speaker 1: When we were in Green Bay for the draft and

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Speaker 1: I pressed Matt Lafleur, I said, did the league, you know,

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Speaker 1: instruct you? And he said, well, we were nudged. We

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Speaker 1: were nudged they you know, they needed to have a team.

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Speaker 1: So hey, we want you to be the sacrificial lamb.

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Speaker 1: Put your name to it, just like the Lions with

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Speaker 1: the playoff seating. So yeah, I mean, you know, coach

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Speaker 1: told us that that the league nudged them in so

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Speaker 1: many words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that just it's odd. And why would you

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Speaker 2: pick the Packers is the team to do it? They

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Speaker 2: lost to the Eagles twice last year. It reeks of

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Speaker 2: sour grapes if they do it. Pick a team from

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Speaker 2: the AFC. The Bills would have been the perfect team

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Speaker 2: to get behind this, literally because they do it too,

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Speaker 2: and they do it well. Now, the original proposal didn't

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Speaker 2: do a delayed push. The first proposal targeted immediate push,

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Speaker 2: and that would have opened Pandora's box of inconsistency and

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Speaker 2: cries of rigging. Can you imagine Dan if the Eagles

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Speaker 2: had scored a touchdown at the goal line in a

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Speaker 2: in black and white stripes thought it was immediate and

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Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't They already have enough fans saying the

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Speaker 2: backed up and they said, well, let's just come up

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Speaker 2: with a general band. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there's still two thirds

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Speaker 2: of the league that wants to get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: It's only because the league requires a seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: super majority to change the rules that it stayed. There

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Speaker 2: is something to be said for the fact that twenty

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Speaker 2: two teams want to get rid of it, and I

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Speaker 2: think that that's going to embolden the commissioner to work

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Speaker 2: the back channels, make a deal, maybe make a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a threat. We've seen retribution in the past

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Speaker 2: for teams that oppose things the commissioner wanted. And I

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Speaker 2: know that that you know, Oh, you're not supposed to

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Speaker 2: say those things, but it's true. It's true, we've seen it.

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Speaker 2: I know teams believe they've been targeted for unfavorable scheduling

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Speaker 2: or multiple short week games because they were against flexing

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Speaker 2: of Thursday night football. That happened a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think this is over and by next year, Dan,

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Speaker 2: don't be surprised if there's safety data to support the position.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host

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Speaker 1: also contributor to NBC Football Night in America, the Olympic

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Speaker 1: flag football initiative is going strong thanks to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Help me understand how many NFL players will actually be

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Speaker 1: on the US Olympic roster for flag football.

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Speaker 2: Well, they announced the US men's team for the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five competitions earlier this week and there were twelve

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Speaker 2: players and six Ordnates. But for the Olympics, it's a

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Speaker 2: five on five flag football with ten players on the team.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many ordinates. The proposal that became

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Speaker 2: a final resolution this week allows for one player maximum

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Speaker 2: per NFL team to be available for the Olympics, plus

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Speaker 2: their international Pathway Program player that they have. But the

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Speaker 2: main thing is the players who are the stars, the

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Speaker 2: names we know receivers really want to do this for

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Speaker 2: the most part, a lot of them. Okay, let they

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Speaker 2: go get the gold medal.

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Speaker 1: But that roster made up of ten players can consist

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Speaker 1: of how many NFL players.

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Speaker 2: It can be ten, it can be ten, but only

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Speaker 2: one per team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the entire roster can be the NFL. They're

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Speaker 1: basically going to say to all the people who do

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Speaker 1: play play frank flag football professionally that we're going to

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Speaker 1: take away your roster spots.

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Speaker 3: For the most.

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Speaker 2: Part, I think it's still early on and all we

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Speaker 2: know is one player per NFL team is eligible, and

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Speaker 2: there will be ten players on the US men's team.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be for the USA Football group to

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Speaker 2: determine who's on the team. And there's I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you're gonna do it. Are you gonna have tryouts,

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Speaker 2: are you gonna have competitions? Are you just going to

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Speaker 2: make a guess as to which NFL players will able

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Speaker 2: to be able to learn flag football, which is a

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Speaker 2: very different game than tackle football. How much time are

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Speaker 2: you going to have every rep that you put in

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Speaker 2: to practicing for the Olympic Flag football is another opportunity

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Speaker 2: to be injured.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: People say, oh, it's flag football, Well google Robert Edwards

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Speaker 2: if you want to know what can happen to somebody

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Speaker 2: who's not playing tackle football but still playing football. And

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Speaker 2: that's the risk that the NFL has persuaded the teams

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Speaker 2: to take. Under this guise of you're only putting one

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Speaker 2: player up for the Olympics, there's so many other ways

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Speaker 2: this can go. You know, there's no agreement between the

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Speaker 2: NFL and the union yet on how this is going

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Speaker 2: to work. The Union may have some things to say.

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Speaker 2: I can see a scenario where players can bargain with

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Speaker 2: their teams to sacrifice their right to play in the

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Speaker 2: Olympics if the team wants to pay them a little

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Speaker 2: more money. I mean, if I was an owner and

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Speaker 2: I have a star player who's on the fence, maybe

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Speaker 2: I get a clause in his next contract where he

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Speaker 2: waives his right to be part of the Olympic team.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm the player and I can get more

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Speaker 2: money by doing that, I'm all for it. But they haven't.

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Speaker 2: They haven't even begun to negotiate how this is going

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, Dan, it's

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Speaker 1: Your takeaway from the Brett Favre documentary, Well.

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Speaker 2: Look, and I think there's two different types of audience.

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Speaker 1: Tom Pelisero NFL Network Insider. You didn't know you were

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Speaker 1: Noted thank you all right, Okay, what happened yesterday late

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say how many people were actually way

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Speaker 5: Certainly, you know, a compelling case. And you know, as

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Speaker 5: That's that's over two thirds of the teams in the

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Speaker 5: You know they weren't able to pass it. You know

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Speaker 5: They're all health and safety related changes. This is and

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Speaker 5: Competition Committee strongly in favor of a health and safety

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Speaker 5: related ban on a play, that you had the medical committees,

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Speaker 5: But this was also the first time that a rule

435
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Speaker 5: was brought forth with health and safety related reasons to

436
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Speaker 5: do it where there was no injury data. So that's

437
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Speaker 5: the complicated part here is usually these health and safety rules,

438
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 5: it's like a rubber stamp because it's hey, we want

439
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Speaker 5: to make the game safer, we want to avoid lawsuits,

440
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Speaker 5: we want to avoid liability, all those things, but usually

441
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Speaker 5: have injury data to back it up. In this case,

442
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 5: what you're arguing is, hey, no injuries have occurred. It's

443
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Speaker 5: been run what one hundred and twenty times last year,

444
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Speaker 5: so it's been run maybe three hundred times in NFL history.

445
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Speaker 5: But the biomechanics, the posture, the amount of mass and

446
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Speaker 5: force this could lead to something dangerous that ultimately was

447
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Speaker 5: not a compelling enough reason to get the two extra votes.

448
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Speaker 5: Now we'll see the NFL is a big data gathering operation,

449
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Speaker 5: you know, whether it's from an injury perspective, from a

450
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Speaker 5: how many times is this run a success rate? All

451
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Speaker 5: those things are going to go into whether or not

452
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Speaker 5: this potentially comes up again in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Will, But I also I don't have a problem

454
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Speaker 1: if the league says we don't have health data to

455
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Speaker 1: get rid of this play. But unlike the kickoff, we

456
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Speaker 1: want to be proactive, not reactive to this. We want

457
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Speaker 1: to get out in front of this. It's just like,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, their player safety. I'm all for that, but

459
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Speaker 1: I also think, just like with an on side kick,

460
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Speaker 1: there's inherent danger. When you play football, you sign up

461
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Speaker 1: for this, and that's what I don't understand. With the

462
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Speaker 1: on side kick. I get, okay, but it's football now

463
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Speaker 1: you're kind of trying to bring it back. Now we

464
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Speaker 1: want to have a few more kickoffs coming back, like

465
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Speaker 1: it's either one or it's either this or nothing. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can kind of go you know,

467
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Speaker 1: not many guys got hurt on kickoffs last year that

468
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Speaker 1: we thought, hey, how about we do this or the

469
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Speaker 1: on side kick, how about you kick from the thirty

470
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Speaker 1: four not the thirty five like, what are we doing well.

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Speaker 5: With the brother The onside kick is a function of

472
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Speaker 5: the kickoff. Because of the alignment on the dynamic kickoff,

473
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Speaker 5: you can't run an onset kick from that formation. So, yes,

474
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Speaker 5: you eliminate all the element of surprise, which is that's

475
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Speaker 5: the baseline issue here. This is you know, realistically, there

476
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Speaker 5: were fifty on st kicks last year. Three got recovered.

477
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Speaker 5: That's six percent. The historic rates are like twelve percent.

478
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Speaker 5: So you're not thinking this is suddenly going to lead

479
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Speaker 5: to you know, twenty more recoveries. You're just hoping you

480
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Speaker 5: get a couple more. You see what happens here, But

481
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Speaker 5: without the element of surprise, it makes things really really difficult.

482
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Speaker 5: There's not a clear answer, you know, to go back

483
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Speaker 5: to the broader kickoff issue that was about you're trying to.

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Speaker 3: Reduce the space and speed.

485
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Speaker 5: It's it's physics, is what it is.

486
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Speaker 3: You're going.

487
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Speaker 5: Okay, last year they wanted the return rate to be

488
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Speaker 5: really low to make sure that the injury rate went down. Now, okay,

489
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Speaker 5: it seems like this is a positive change. Now let's

490
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Speaker 5: change the touchback rule. Let's try to generate more returns

491
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Speaker 5: and see if that continues to go forward. The NFL

492
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Speaker 5: generally does these things very incrementally to make sure that

493
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Speaker 5: it's not like the pass interference review disaster back in

494
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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, where they passed the rule before they wrote

495
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Speaker 5: it and then nobody could enforce it and finally this

496
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Speaker 5: went out.

497
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Speaker 3: Forget it. We're just not gonna overturn anything.

498
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Speaker 5: That's what they want to avoid on say kick though,

499
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Speaker 5: there's just there's not a clear answer here unless you

500
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Speaker 5: really seriously consider the thing that Philadelphia has been proposing

501
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Speaker 5: for the last probably five six years, which is a

502
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Speaker 5: fourth and whatever fourth and twenty let's call it alternative,

503
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Speaker 5: where it's one play, it's make it take it. That

504
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Speaker 5: would be a fundamental change of the game to some

505
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Speaker 5: people who think it's gimmicky. But ultimately, Dan, that might

506
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Speaker 5: be somewhere along the line where we end up.

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Speaker 1: Tom Petlserro, NFL Network Insider. You can see him on

508
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Speaker 1: the Insiders on the NFL Network. That's weeknights, it's seven Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's all excited about the Olympics. Everybody's ready to go.

510
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Speaker 1: They want their medals. I'm just curious the owner's reaction. Now,

511
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Speaker 1: they had to pass this, but they also have to

512
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Speaker 1: allow their players to be able to play or try

513
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Speaker 1: out on guessing, how does this work? If I'm an

514
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Speaker 1: owner and Patrick Mahomes goes man, I'd love to have

515
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Speaker 1: a gold medal. Well, I'd love to have another Super Bowl, Patrick,

516
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Speaker 1: So I don't want to risk you getting hurt. How

517
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Speaker 1: does this work and not hurt feelings?

518
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Speaker 5: Well, the I would say this, there's enthusiasm at every

519
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Speaker 5: level of this, from the stakeholders, from the league office

520
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Speaker 5: who see this as part of their global expansion plans,

521
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Speaker 5: to the teams that like the idea of again making

522
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Speaker 5: more money because if you can continue to increase international revenue,

523
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Speaker 5: that's only going to help the value your franchises. The players,

524
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Speaker 5: you know, for the most part, not everybody. There are

525
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Speaker 5: some guys who have said I'm not going to get

526
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Speaker 5: involved with that. I don't make money to play flag football.

527
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Speaker 5: But a lot of players are going to want to

528
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Speaker 5: do it here. But I would say the NFLPA also

529
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Speaker 5: has expressed, you know, enthusiasm for this, but they still

530
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Speaker 5: got to work out and some of these rules. There's

531
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Speaker 5: questions about injury protections and insurance and you know, even

532
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Speaker 5: though this is gonna happen in the early portion of

533
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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty eight games, and so it's gonna end

534
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Speaker 5: before training camps. There's still gonna be some players who go, wait,

535
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Speaker 5: I'm using my whole off time, my whole spring and

536
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Speaker 5: summer to get ready for this, and then I'm just

537
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Speaker 5: gonna PLoP down two days later and go into training camp.

538
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Speaker 5: So there's some questions there. You know, unions defend wages, benefits,

539
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 5: working conditions and all those things are subject to further

540
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Speaker 5: evaluation here. So those are gonna be ongoing conversations. They're

541
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Speaker 5: gonna actually have to come to an agreement. There's like

542
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Speaker 5: a round, Okay, we like this idea, we all want

543
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Speaker 5: to make more money. Let's work on this together. But

544
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Speaker 5: the details still have to be worked out in terms of,

545
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Speaker 5: you know, how the process works over the next few years.

546
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Speaker 5: And I asked this question to a bunch of the

547
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Speaker 5: people who've been involved in these conversations. You know, just

548
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Speaker 5: like every other Olympic sport, there's like different qualifying things,

549
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Speaker 5: and there are national teams, and you know, you have

550
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Speaker 5: this vision of Okay, the you know you might have

551
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Speaker 5: Let's say, you know, forget Team USA for a second,

552
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Speaker 5: because that's the team that's gonna have the most options.

553
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Speaker 5: But let's say your Korea and you've got hey, we

554
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 5: can get Kyler Murray, we get Kyle Hamilton, We're not

555
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: going to have him till twenty twenty eight. Well, you're

556
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: gonna have to qualify before that. And if the current

557
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 5: Korean national team isn't any good, those guys are gonna

558
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Speaker 5: get left out. So that stuff, from my understanding, really

559
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: starts next year and then heats up in twenty twenty seven.

560
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 5: So this is going to be kind of an ongoing

561
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: evolution in terms of what does this look like. Every

562
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 5: national body is going to approach this differently. I would

563
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Speaker 5: certainly anticipate USA football fully embraces this and wants all

564
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Speaker 5: the NFL players, even though you've got you know, the

565
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 5: current team USA quarterback saying, you know, I think I'm

566
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 5: better than Patrick Mahomes And I said that. So I

567
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 5: had Justin Jefferson come on The Insiders the other night

568
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Speaker 5: and I brought that up. I'm like, you got this

569
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Speaker 5: guy like, is there any doubt in your mind that

570
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Speaker 5: NFL players could be better than the current FLAG players?

571
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Speaker 5: He's like, well, many, you know, they know the game,

572
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Speaker 5: but you know, Patrick Mahomes like good luck, dudees like,

573
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Speaker 5: there's no way, there's no way you're getting that spot

574
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Speaker 5: from him.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Tom, Thanks for joining us

576
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Speaker 1: as always, Thanks for having me Dad. That's Tom Pelso

577
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: be sure to catch live edition of The Dan Patrick

578
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Show week days at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

579
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP. Chris Webber,

580
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: hall of Famer, joining us on the program. See web

581
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? You're up fourteen at home, three

582
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Speaker 1: minutes to go.

583
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Speaker 3: It happens when you have a really special team.

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Speaker 6: Uh. You know, first of all Haliburton when you look

585
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Speaker 6: what he did, and thee Smith, all the other guys.

586
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Speaker 3: But please, let's not forget coach Carlisle.

587
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Speaker 6: You know, he's a he's a great coach, and he's

588
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 6: coached guys like Jay Kidd.

589
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: He's coached against the greatest players.

590
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Speaker 6: He's played with the Celtics, by the way, so he

591
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 6: knows a little bit about offense. And to me, it

592
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 6: was just wearing you down. Some teams we give a

593
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Speaker 6: lot of credit for wearing you down with their defense.

594
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Speaker 6: And I played on teams whether Sacramento and others, where

595
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 6: we wear we wore you down with our offense as well,

596
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Speaker 6: and that means just keeping your foot on the pedal,

597
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 6: never looking up, and trusting your players. And you know

598
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Speaker 6: those last three minutes, I mean, wow, these are some

599
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Speaker 6: of the most exciting games I've seen a long time.

600
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Speaker 6: So it's great to be a fan and watch all

601
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Speaker 6: the excellences going on.

602
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Speaker 1: Why is it different playing in the garden than any

603
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Speaker 1: other place?

604
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Speaker 6: Well, I would say the garden in Old La, Old La,

605
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Speaker 6: because you had stars like Jack and others that were

606
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Speaker 6: there and you would see. But I think it's because

607
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 6: it's not just about new stars. I think it's about

608
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Speaker 6: the fact that because those arenas are so old, you

609
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 6: know Kareem played there or you know you know that

610
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Speaker 6: I don't know Willie Allen or someone else was at

611
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Speaker 6: those games. And so as a player, you come in saying,

612
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Speaker 6: you know, I better give my best performance because this

613
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Speaker 6: is where the best performers are. How many times do

614
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Speaker 6: you get to perform in front of your heroes? And

615
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Speaker 6: so for me, New York was always special. And you know,

616
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Speaker 6: if I could send out a PBA alert because New

617
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 6: York is so cocky, I have a very close friend,

618
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Speaker 6: his name is Has. I won't give his full government name.

619
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Speaker 6: But anyone in New York please look out for Hogs

620
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 6: and just make sure you watch over him because he.

621
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Speaker 3: Was hitting me with being bong and all this other stuff.

622
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Speaker 6: And I haven't heard from him in about sixteen hours,

623
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Speaker 6: so please look out for my manor house. But it's

624
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 6: so much fun, and part of that too, is sending

625
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Speaker 6: those crowds home quiet. It's no better feeling than any arena.

626
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Speaker 6: But you know LA and New York, when you do it,

627
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Speaker 6: you know you feel a little extra special.

628
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Speaker 1: Okay, but did you ever have conversations with celebrities? Did

629
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Speaker 1: you ever flirt with a celebrity in LA when you

630
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Speaker 1: were playing?

631
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Speaker 3: Never flirted.

632
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Speaker 6: But if I saw, you know, someone that I wanted

633
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Speaker 6: to flirt with, or I raised my game, you know,

634
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 6: you want to play well and send them home with something.

635
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Speaker 1: You know, so Jilly Marry is their court side. You

636
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Speaker 1: might you might want the ball a little more.

637
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and you know you might you know, shoot

638
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 6: your shot or dunk on someone a little harder and

639
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 6: mistakenly look at it.

640
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Speaker 3: You know, you know it's not the weak. But oh,

641
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Did I just do that?

642
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Speaker 6: You know, that's that type of thing I do remember

643
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 6: the best compliments I ever got was Jack looks before

644
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 6: the game and the playoffs in LA and you would

645
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Speaker 6: change right by him and I'm really focused and nervous

646
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: and getting ready to go, and he.

647
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Speaker 3: Says the calm before the storm.

648
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Speaker 6: You were calm before the storm, and we blew LA

649
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Speaker 6: out that game. And I remember thinking he never should

650
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 6: have given me that compliment because I had to live

651
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 6: up to that in front of him.

652
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Speaker 1: What's it like though, when everybody knows you're getting the

653
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: ball like you and the feeling of I don't Some guys,

654
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, they run away from the ball, Others run

655
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: to the ball.

656
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

657
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 6: I think that it's all about knowing your game. It's

658
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: really simple. Knowing that you have a move and a

659
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: counter move with its starting like that, it's really easy.

660
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: And then if you have great players around, it's easier

661
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: to trust. So I can only speak from my experience,

662
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: but knowing that I was gonna get double team late

663
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 6: in the game, I would be talking to Pager of

664
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 6: Lodi and them during the whole game, like, you see,

665
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 6: they're gonna come double me at this point. Later I

666
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: got you, And so it gives you freedom. The easiest

667
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: person to check on the court is a selfish person,

668
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 6: and so you have to make sure through your abilities

669
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 6: that you keep everyone on their toes. Just look at

670
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 6: a guy like Jokis. You know he wants the ball

671
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 6: late in the game, but he may not shoot seven

672
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 6: possessions in a row, but they're going to score seven

673
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 6: possessions in a row. So for me, the most important

674
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 6: thing is, yeah, can you score. But there are a

675
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: lot of guys we waited to the end to double

676
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 6: because they didn't have to acumen the pass or didn't

677
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 6: even know where other teammates were. And so to me,

678
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 6: it's how can you make a score happen if you're

679
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 6: a great player late in the game. And Lebron was

680
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 6: accused a lot for that, but he's one of the

681
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: best examples Magic as well of being able to take

682
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: a moment find it. Know that I can score, but

683
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 6: it may be easier to loosen you up by finding

684
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 6: a wide open Jr. Or someone in the corner or

685
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 6: Booby Gibson that hurt us in Detroit to kill you

686
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 6: a little bit better instead of being selfish.

687
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we give Magic a hall pass and say

688
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: that's a positive Lebron. People viewed that that is a

689
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: negative that he didn't want to take the big shot

690
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: in those situations with Magic. It was like, look at

691
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: how unselfish he is.

692
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you're right, Dan, But so let's separate the

693
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 6: first time he played against San Antonio. Let's separate you know,

694
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 6: when he was learning on that learning curve. But he

695
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 6: always played the right way. And so there was one

696
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 6: game I think in the Pistons game seven, I think

697
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 6: we're playing against them and we're, you know, trying to

698
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 6: go to the championship, and this guy scores.

699
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: Twenty four in a row, twenty five in a row.

700
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Speaker 6: But Booby Gibson had a great game because he was

701
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 6: finding this guy in the corner. And then you wonder,

702
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 6: how does a guy like Nesmith, how does a guy

703
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 6: like Booby Gibson come out of nowhere? How does a

704
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 6: guy like Fisher Derek Fischer come out of nowhere and

705
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 6: do these things? So let's because Shaq trusted at one point,

706
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 6: it's because Lebron trusted. So yeah, that's that line in

707
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 6: the sand with Lebron. But when he was able and

708
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 6: found his voice, found his way on the court, he

709
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: still played the right way. And for me, he doesn't

710
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 6: get enough credit for that.

711
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: Did Lebron have forty three on you guys in that

712
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: game seven?

713
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: I know he had twenty four to twenty five straight and.

714
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh he had forty had forty eight.

715
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: Thanks.

716
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 6: I'm acar Rashii Wallason reminds him of that because that's

717
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: one of Rashid's biggest failures, or I won't even say that.

718
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 6: That's something that hurt Rashid the most, is a defensive

719
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 6: player that it was one guy on the floor that

720
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: we couldn't stop it. So yeah, whatever he did, he

721
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 6: hurt our feelings and he kept us from a championships.

722
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Hurt your feelings. He's Chris Webber Hall of Famer. I

723
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier. We can't underestimate the impact of the

724
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: Dream Team in nineteen ninety two on the world because

725
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: here we are, what thirty three years later, and look

726
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: at the best players in the game. The players are

727
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: from outside the top five players. You can make an

728
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: argument are not American born shay Gil just getting the MVP.

729
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: You got Luca, you got Jannis. I mean, we can

730
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: go down the list there, but that impact of we

731
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: laughed at the rest of the world. We're crushing Barkley's

732
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: making fun of peopleocused on us whereas the world focused

733
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: on them, and how how do we get better as

734
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: a basketball country? And look at what that impact did

735
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: with the NBA.

736
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Speaker 6: So you're right, that impact was great. I remember just

737
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: hearing about players like Sabonis or other players and really

738
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 6: not knowing until I got to play with great players

739
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: like Sharona's Marshalon this or or Paygerstoyakovich or Potapinco or others.

740
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 6: I think we did a great job in showing our

741
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 6: secrets and showing them you know that you can be

742
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 6: like Jordan at least you could dream like this, and

743
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: if you don't reach Jordan's ability, you can still be

744
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 6: pretty good if you watch him. And so I think

745
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 6: that we did a great job in exposing the game.

746
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 6: But I also think the way that the system was

747
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 6: set up. You know, Luca was professional at what fifteen,

748
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 6: So if he's professional at fifteen, comes to the NBA

749
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 6: with five years experience and playing against grown man, he's

750
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: going to have a.

751
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: Better trajectory.

752
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 6: And so I think that the systems that we had

753
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 6: overseas and a lot of guys to play, especially the younger,

754
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 6: helped them advance a lot quicker. But our last seven

755
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 6: MVPs then were all foreigners so to speak, or people

756
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 6: from other places. And truthfully, Sean could have won last year,

757
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 6: and truthfully the year indeed won. You know, Yokis could

758
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 6: have won that, so you could have a full time

759
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 6: I really look at Yokis is missing the MVP. He

760
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 6: should have one more MVP. So I love the way

761
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 6: that the game is spread, but it comes back to skill,

762
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 6: skill skill, and hopefully in a set of fire under

763
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 6: a lot of the young kids to you know, be

764
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 6: the best that they could be. But I think the

765
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 6: game is going to always elevate no matter who's the best,

766
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: because guys around the world watched the best and we

767
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: become better after that.

768
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: But you also look, and I'm sure you remember this,

769
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: but when Barkley won MVP, when Karl Malone won MVP,

770
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: everybody knew that Michael Jordan was the best player in

771
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: the game, right, Shay gilgis is getting the MVP, But

772
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I think everybody recognizes Joker is still the best player

773
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: in the game. It just and yeah, I mean Sga

774
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: and Okaye had the best year and he's the best player.

775
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: But I don't know how players reacted when you know

776
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: Barkley played well for Phoenix, Carl played well for Utah.

777
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, Michael, I don't think cared about the regular

778
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: season as much as he's gonna win a championship.

779
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: Well, I also think there's fatigue. You know, there's jo

780
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 6: kids fatigue. Yeah, yeah, you know, you really think about it.

781
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 6: You can't have a co m VP. But how did

782
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 6: he not win the MVP? But then again with Shay,

783
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 6: I think I think too. I think it's the culture

784
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 6: of how we play. If we want to really be honest,

785
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 6: I think that you know, I love playing with players

786
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: that make everyone better, and so I think the days

787
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 6: of just scoring forty and being that guy like that's

788
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 6: that's not necessarily winning basketball, to be doubled in the

789
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 6: post and not getting anyone else involved. That's why we

790
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 6: love Jokics and maybe not other sinners. And so I

791
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 6: think the culture, at least from watching Doctors, at least

792
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 6: from watching Shi is that Shay gilges is that they're

793
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: always gonna try to make the right play, even if

794
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 6: it's being selfish four or five times in a row.

795
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 6: But watching them facilitate get other guys involved is so special.

796
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: That's why Holla Burton is special though, and I've always

797
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 6: known that even if he was drafted this Sacramento because

798
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 6: he gets everyone involved. And I think that that has

799
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 6: become the culture of the European player and as Americans

800
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: being the best scorer, you know, it's a little more

801
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 6: that you can add to that. And I think that

802
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 6: that's where the line of the sand is gonna come,

803
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: Like how how much better do you make your team?

804
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 6: And Shy's team would not be that good? Okay, see

805
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: when the gout the first round without him, and Denver

806
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 6: may not have made the playoffs without Jokis. And that's

807
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 6: what I like. The distinction in the MVP argument is

808
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 6: not that, oh look at the stats. If we really

809
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 6: take them away from their teams without them even scoring.

810
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: They make their teams better.

811
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 6: And I think that that shows what the most valuable

812
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: player is, not the most valuable score, but the most

813
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 6: valuable teammate.

814
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: But you were on the college select team that beat

815
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: the dream too, right.

816
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we beat them, coach k how you doing.

817
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: Like it was real though? That was a real game,

818
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: right yeah?

819
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 6: I mean it was it was a practice then, Like

820
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 6: you know, I'm sure that you've been around your heroes

821
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 6: and commentating or journalism and things when you first got

822
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 6: in the game, and if you really first remember those things,

823
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: just you know, there was no social media. Dominique Wilkins,

824
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 6: and you know I had him on the wall with

825
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 6: books and the Tonics, the different shoes, I had magic

826
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 6: every I knew everything about them that you could at

827
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 6: the time.

828
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 3: I watched all the Bloopers tapes.

829
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 6: Remember that's all we could get was the Bloopers tapes

830
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 6: with the coach from Utah at the time, so access

831
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 6: was not here, and Frank Frank Laydon and I remember,

832
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 6: I remember being in a huddle and with literally with

833
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 6: tears in our eyes because we're eighteen twenty at this time.

834
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 6: I just come from the championship. We were losing at Duke,

835
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 6: and I'm playing with Bobby Hurley and Grant Hill and

836
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 6: all my friends and we're in a huddle like this

837
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 6: is a dream come true. None of us were thinking

838
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 6: about going to the league. You know what I mean,

839
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 6: This is the if I go back to the purest

840
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 6: of moments in sporting life, it had to be then,

841
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 6: you know.

842
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: Because it was okay.

843
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 6: I couldn't believe how quick Bobby Hurley was and that

844
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 6: it transcended onto the court against Magic where he's taking

845
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 6: Magic and Stockton like, we didn't believe in ourselves like this.

846
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: These were just our heroes. Barkley was my favorite player.

847
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 6: So to go against Barkley and Patrick Ewing and a

848
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 6: dunk on them that was like the biggest thing in

849
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 6: the call home. And so we really played the hardest

850
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 6: that we could. We caught them sleeping, and Chuck Day,

851
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 6: being from me, tried and had a great relationship with him,

852
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 6: and I remember him patting us on the back like

853
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 6: good job. And you know, as a good coach you

854
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 6: want to use different things to centivize your team. And

855
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 6: we beat them, and for them to say last point,

856
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: it's so infuriating to hear him saying, well, Jordan's sat on

857
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 6: the bench. Jordan could have sat on the bench the

858
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 6: whole scrimmage. And you're saying, we still beat the All

859
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 6: Star team.

860
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: We'll take that. And so I think any.

861
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 6: Excuse for them is not giving the credit of how

862
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 6: great they were, and any great team thos you can

863
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 6: get caught slipping. One day, we caught them slipping and

864
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: the next day I do not remember us scoring one basket.

865
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: That's how much.

866
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 6: They wanted to pay us back, So if they didn't

867
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 6: beat us, then they wouldn't have been that mad that

868
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 6: next day because they kicked our ass.

869
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: Who was it?

870
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Was it Rodney Rogers.

871
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 6: Rodney Rogers. I don't know why he kept talking. He

872
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 6: was just always talking. His country guy is so strong.

873
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 6: And I remember Larry Bird because because he was my hero,

874
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 6: and I just remember watching him and we didn't realize

875
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 6: he was that tall.

876
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: His back was hurting, you know, he kind of ran

877
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: with a little bit.

878
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 6: Of a gait, but his movements because he was such

879
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 6: a great passer, you couldn't come up on him because

880
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: his first step was so quick, and Rodney Rodgers were

881
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 6: rotating and he goes to the corner and he pump fakes,

882
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 6: and as he pump fakes, he's like, welcome to.

883
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: The parachute club.

884
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 6: And we're like, you're talking during a shot and I'm

885
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: talking about he just fell through.

886
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: It looked like the nets didn't even move, you know,

887
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: one of those things.

888
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 6: But we would have got fined because we're kind of

889
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 6: giving each other five like did you see what Larry just.

890
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: Did to us?

891
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh? You guys are celebrating him towrd ching Rodney Rogers.

892
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: Yes, bad, But Larry Bird made a lot of people

893
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: do that.

894
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 6: Look, go look on YouTube against the Hawks game when

895
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 6: he's calling shots with his left hand.

896
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: That whole bench should have got fined because they did.

897
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: If they did get fined, Oh good.

898
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Good, because that's a bad president.

899
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 6: I mean I would have gone to the locker room and

900
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 6: tried to fight my teammates like there's nothing I could do.

901
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: And you guys are cheering.

902
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Them, Well, you never you never did that when you

903
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: played against Jordan, or you're on the bench and Jordan

904
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: did something and you like turned your your guys and said,

905
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, and give me fined.

906
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 3: I put I put my shirt over like that act

907
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 3: like let him know later.

908
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 6: One time, Jordan, we were in the playoffs. Jordan Parks

909
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 6: is Ferrari inside the building, which you shouldn't be able

910
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 6: to do. He's smoking a cigar before the game, which

911
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 6: I mean, you can do whatever you want. And we're

912
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 6: the lowly bullets and uh, Jawan and I are getting

913
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 6: off the bus and Jawan's very close with him, and

914
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 6: he's like Juan web who's guarding me tonight And Calbert

915
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 6: Cheney was behind us and we both looked and dead

916
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: like that. And that was the one time our crians

917
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: about how I left the teammate hanging because Jordan had

918
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 6: fifty five on us that night and beat.

919
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: The tea poor Calvert Cheney.

920
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah he's the man.

921
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: Though, but yeah, hey, is you dealing with Jordan and Kobe.

922
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to take You're gonna have to take

923
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: some ails man.

924
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was that same like tenseness that like

925
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: or they probably were like, Okay, who's who's gonna get

926
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: take a beating? You know, tell me and then you

927
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: guys are like pointing at Calbird Cheney there.

928
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 6: That's exactly what we left him hanging down like as

929
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: a teammate and a captain. That's the one thing our

930
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 6: crians that like because we both are like, hey, this guy,

931
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 6: leave us alone.

932
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: But Kobe didn't do that.

933
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: No, Kobe didn't do that.

934
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 6: But I had a teammate and now a coach in

935
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 6: Doug Christie that very honestly he's the man. Because Kobe

936
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 6: would score a shot after shot, Doug would play it correctly,

937
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 6: hand in his face. I saw him tap Kobe on

938
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 6: his head before and things like that. It didn't stop him.

939
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 6: It didn't stop him, and after the game, you know

940
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 6: him look at himself in the mirror like I did

941
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 6: all I could do. When he get forty four and

942
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 6: I'm ready for tomorrow. You know, you gotta have you

943
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 6: gotta have some big nuggets to do that, and teammates

944
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 6: that that do their job knowing that it's it's an

945
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 6: uphill battle.

946
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: Man.

947
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 6: It's so great playing with guys with that commitment because

948
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 6: it makes you commit that much more.

949
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: You can't tap Kobe on his forehead on the.

950
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 6: Jump shot, oh yeah, a lot of it. Oh yeah,

951
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 6: you know how guys tap you on the head?

952
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that.

953
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no, yeah, on the forehead, on the shot

954
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 6: on the forehead, Oh yeah, on the forehead.

955
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: Damn, that would piss me off.

956
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little man stealers and you know all that stuff, Yeah,

957
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 6: going in your ear.

958
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: You gotta try anything.

959
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: You didn't do that though, I think against the.

960
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: King, I pushed and you know, try stuff, but it

961
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: didn't work. It didn't work. Didn't work.

962
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like a Keen would get agitated with anything.

963
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 6: No, no, And you're hoping one guy, like whether he

964
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 6: makes the shot or misses the shot, you're hoping he

965
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 6: misses it, it starts to complain, and then you've done

966
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 6: your job because at least he's thinking about something else

967
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 6: while trying to destroy me.

968
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: I can't imagine somebody tapping Michael Jordan on the head.

969
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Even Kobe, I can't imagine that.

970
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 6: I want to, you know what, I couldn't either, But

971
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 6: I'm I've played with some guys that I think would

972
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 6: like a Vernon Max.

973
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: No, yeah, Vernon Vernon and Albert Alvin Robertson seemed to

974
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: be the craziest guys that Like, there have been crazy guys,

975
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: but those are two guys that might be on the

976
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore.

977
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

978
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know what, You're just so right And

979
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 6: what's so great about guys like that. I think people

980
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 6: think that, you know, and I'm sure Draymond must do this,

981
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: but I think people think that they're a distraction. And really,

982
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 6: what it is is coming because we needed what Vernon

983
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 6: Maxwell had in Sacramento our first year. Jay Will White

984
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 6: Chocolate needed that because if he gets that every day

985
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: in practice and you get tired, almost like if your

986
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 6: big brother, then you understand when these other guys do it,

987
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 6: it's nothing because you're getting you know abused all the time,

988
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 6: and so those guys make locker rooms better because they

989
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: do set an expectation where you have to be more

990
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 6: accountable because you know, this guy over here is crazy,

991
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: giving it his own.

992
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Always great to catch up with him.

993
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 6: Thank you, Chel, Thank you, looking forward to seeing you

994
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 6: in A'm Saylor's movie Baby.

995
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bunny and so see web