1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: I had one of the most terrifying paranormal experiences of 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: my life in front of a group of people I 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: was supposed to be teaching how to investigate. We were 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: in an old building and Adam Bury and I had 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: a group of folks sitting on a bench across from 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: us as we explained our particular ideas about investigating. We 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: had set before us a row of K two ms 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: K two meters are little devices that light up when 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: they detect electromagnetic fields. They're not always my favorite tool 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: for investigating, but this night they would do something very strange. 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: As I stood in the dark talking to the group 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: before me, I looked down at the floor as the 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: K two started lighting up one by one hed in 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: my direction. Almost a split second later, I felt a 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: hand grab my hip and yanked me to the side. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: I almost fell over with the force of it. I 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: let out a yelp and quickly looked around me. Realizing 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: absolutely no one was near me who could grab my hip. 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I proceeded to sprint to the other side of the room, 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: because I'm brave like that. But that wasn't the end 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: of my experience. Apparently, while I had been distracted by 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: the little K two lights, the entire group had watched 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: a shadow figure sprint toward me, lighting the K two's 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: as it passed, and when it reached me, they heard 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: me squeal. I have to admit my heart was thumping 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: out of my chest in that moment. I'd like to 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: say it was exhilaration, but let's be honest, it was 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: mostly fear. And it's okay to admit that about ourselves sometimes. 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: That being said, we weren't investigating some old asylum or 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: jail or someplace you would expect that sort of activity. 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: We were investigating an old orphanage, an orphanage in a 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: little town called Gettysburg. And that's just one of the 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: many haunts in what I considered to be one of 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: the spookiest towns in the nation. Want to hear more 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: about it, I thought so. I'm Amy Brunei, and this 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: is haunted Road. In the summer of eighteen sixty three, 39 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: things were not looking good for the Union Army. Two 40 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: years into the Civil War, Confederate forces were advancing further 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: and further north, hoping to attack Union troops on their 42 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: own soil. Fresh office stunning victory in the Battle of 43 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: Chancellorsville in Virginia, General Robert E. Lee headed north with 44 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: what he described as his invincible army into Pennsylvania. If 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the Confederates could defeat Union troops on their own soil, 46 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: he reasoned, Northerners would abandon their support of Abraham Lincoln's 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: war effort and weaken the U. S. Army's defenses. Union 48 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: and Confederate troops clashed in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on July one, 49 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three. What followed were three of the bloodiest 50 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: days in American history, with an estimated twenty thousand people injured. 51 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: On July second alone, when the smoke cleared, more than 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: seven thousand soldiers and one single civilian had died in 53 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: the battle. All told, the dead and wounded amounted to 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: over fifty thousand casualties. There is something in the air 55 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: at Gettysburg, MB Henry wrote in A Ghost at Gettysburg. 56 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: A heavy and sad energy lingers about those fields, and 57 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: indeed across the entire town you can hear it in 58 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: the breeze that wrestles through the tree is. You can 59 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: feel it when you stroll through the graveyard. The old 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: brick and stone houses, some of which still have bullet holes, 61 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: do loads of talking in the silence. What else is 62 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: in the silence? Centuries upon centuries of ghosts who still 63 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: linger in the town today, making it one of the 64 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: most haunted places in America, filling the battlefields and historic 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: buildings with the whispers of their lives and their deaths. Gettysburg, 66 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: in central Pennsylvania near the Maryland border, was established in 67 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty one, but had become a much more significant 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: town in eighteen fifty nine when the completion of the 69 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Gettysburg Railroad station made stopovers and therefore trade and commerce 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: much easier. According to Battlefield dot Org, Lee set his 71 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: sights on the area because he wanted to threaten northern cities, 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: weaken the North's appetite for war, and especially win a 73 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: major battle on northern soil, and strengthen the peace movement 74 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: in the North. But the general had another motivation for 75 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the move to His Army of Northern Virginia had exhausted 76 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: its supplies locally and needed to move on from where 77 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: it had just fought in Chancellorsville as the Confederates armies 78 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: eighty thousand troops moved north when hundred thousand Union soldiers 79 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: pursued them under the leadership of Major General Joseph Hooker. 80 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Hoping to stall their advances. Realizing the conflict was not 81 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: far away, Lee centralized his troops around the supply rich 82 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Gettysburg and readied for battle. The first shots were fired 83 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: the morning of July one between a handful of Union 84 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: and Confederate soldiers close to town. The sound of the 85 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: altercation attracted the notice of the rest of the troops. 86 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: By noon, it was a full on battle. Though the 87 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: Confederates were outnumbered and in unfamiliar territory, they were at 88 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: an advantage at the beginning of the battle. Frustrated with 89 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: General Hooker's inability to stop the Confederate troops from advancing north, 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: President Lincoln had replaced him with Major General George Mead 91 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: as the leader of the Army of the Potomac only 92 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: three days before of the battle. That's right, Major General 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: Meade won one of the most decisive battles in American 94 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: history and turned the tide of the Civil War. On 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: his fourth day on the job, fighting raged for three days, 96 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: with the Confederates showing an early advantage on the first 97 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: day and the Union pushing back on days two and 98 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: three to eventually prevail. Some of the most intense skirmishes 99 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: happened in areas like Devil's Den, Little Round Top, the 100 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Wheat Field, the Peach Orchard, and Cemetery Ridge. Remember those 101 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: locations because their places that today are reported the areas 102 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: of intensely concentrated paranormal activity. Cemetery Ridge, in particular, saw 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: intense battle. Lee sent twelve thousand infantrymen to attack the 104 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Union line in what became known as Pickets Charge. The 105 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: Union soldiers staved off the attack jointly with rifle and 106 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: artillery fire, which devastated the Confederate forces. After their defeat 107 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: on Cemetery Ridge, the remaining soldiers and their leader, Robert E. Lee, 108 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: who was not captured in the battle, headed back to 109 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Virginia battlefields. Dot Org estimates that the total number of 110 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: killed or wounded soldiers was fifty one thousand, one hundred twelve. 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: More than thirty one hundred Union soldiers and thirty nine 112 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: hundred Confederate soldiers were killed outright, and another fourteen thousand 113 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Union and eighteen thousand Confederate soldiers were wounded, though it's 114 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: unclear how many of those men eventually died from their wounds. 115 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: More than ten thousand total men were declared missing in 116 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: action or captured as prisoners of war. There was also 117 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: one single civilian casualty, Jenny Wade. Remember her name because 118 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk about her in a moment. With a total 119 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: population of two thousand, four hundred people in eighteen sixty three, 120 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: the massive influx of soldiers put enormous strain on the 121 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: residents of Gettysburg, who were largely left with the gargantuan 122 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: task of caring for the wounded, end of clearing away 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the corpses of soldiers. But there weren't just more than 124 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: seven thousand deceased people covering the battle fields. There were 125 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: also more than three thousand horses killed in the conflict. 126 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Lydia Lyster, the owner of the farmhouse that Major General 127 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Meade used as his headquarters to command the Union forces, 128 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: reportedly found seventeen dead horses just in her yard alone 129 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: by July four, and estimated six million pounds of human 130 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: and animal carcasses lay strewn across the fields and the 131 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: summer heat, says author Drew gilpinfaust and a town of 132 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty hundred grappled with twenty two thousand wounded who remained 133 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: alive but in desperate condition. While in the past there 134 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: had been a custom of a battle's victors burying the dead, 135 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: by that point in the war that custom had been 136 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: totally dispensed with, not only because of heavy losses and 137 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: injuries on both sides, but because of supply shortages. Items 138 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: were in such short supply at Gettysburg that it was 139 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: difficult even to find tools for civilians to use to 140 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: bury the dead, and the dead were everywhere in Gettysburg, 141 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: with some decaying corpses laying on the battlefields. From July 142 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: until the first frost in October. Civilians found remains not 143 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: just in open fields, but on their own property. Civilian 144 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: George Rose found fifty deceased Confederate soldiers in his fields, 145 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: while John Forney found seventy nine dead soldiers, all in 146 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: a single line on his farm. A barn owned by 147 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: Joseph Shurfey had been turned into a field hospital before 148 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: it was burned in the ensuing battle. Jurfy was left 149 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: with the burnt remains of soldiers limbs in his destroyed barn. 150 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: When President Lincoln traveled to Gettysburg to dedicate the battlefield 151 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: on November ninete of that year. His famous Gettysburg Address 152 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: acknowledged the heavy emotions imbued in that land by the 153 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: violent deaths on both sides. His words encapsulate the feeling 154 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: of unknown outcomes, unfinished conflict, and the elusive easy rest 155 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: desired by both soldiers and civilians alike. We have come 156 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: to dedicate a portion of that field as a final 157 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: resting place for those who here gave their lives that 158 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: that nation might live, Lincoln said, according to the Bliss 159 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: copy of the Gettysburg Address at the White House. But 160 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, 161 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, 162 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor 163 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: power to add or detract. The world will little note 164 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: nor long remember what we say here, but it can 165 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: never forget what they did here. Indeed, we haven't forgotten 166 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: what happened over those three bloody days in eighteen sixty three, 167 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: not just because of the way they affected American history, 168 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: but because many spirits of people who perished in the 169 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: conflict allegedly linger on to this day. You probably won't 170 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: be surprised to learn that with all this dark history, 171 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: there are endless ounces of people claiming to have experienced 172 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: paranormal encounters in Gettysburg. If you've watched Kindred Spirits, you 173 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: know Adam Bury had an impactful encounter there, but we'll 174 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: talk about that more later. In fact, there are so 175 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: many reports of unexplained gun shots outside of town that 176 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: local police used the code eighteen sixty three to identify 177 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: those calls. The Daniel Lady Farm, which is now a 178 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: house museum that hosts Civil War reenactments, has many spooky 179 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,119 Speaker 1: stories attached to it. It was used as a Confederate 180 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: headquarters in Field hospital during the battle, and pieces of 181 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,119 Speaker 1: the home were dismantled to use to help wounded soldiers. 182 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Doors were taken down to be used as stretchers, and 183 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: furniture was dismantled to use as kindling or splints. According 184 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: to the farm's website, bloodstains from the wounded and dying 185 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: can still be seen in the house. In Jeff Fisher's 186 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: book Ghosts of Gettysburg, he writes that amputated limbs were 187 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: stacked so high outside of the barn that they would 188 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: reach the windows and horrify the soldiers being treated within. 189 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: People have reported seeing the spirits of soldiers with amputated 190 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: limbs in the house and throughout the property, as well 191 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: as hearing strange sounds and screams of pain. Guests at 192 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: the Balladari End, located on what's now known as Hospital 193 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Road because so many of the homes on that stretch 194 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: were converted into makeshift hospitals during the battle, often report 195 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: hearing disembodied voices and phantom gunshots, which they attribute to 196 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: these seven Confederate soldiers buried under what's now the tennis court. 197 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: In the Ends Primrose room, guests have repeatedly claimed to 198 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: encounter a spirit named Jeffrey who rubs women's feet, whispers 199 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: in their ears, and even tries to get into bed 200 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: with them. In the Merrigold room, there are reports of 201 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: a female apparition in eighteen sixties clothing, and of cold 202 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: spots in the room, as well as doors opening and 203 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: closing on their own. It's unclear whether the fair Field 204 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: in has some claim was a Confederate field hospital, but 205 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: we do know for sure that there is an unmarked 206 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: grave on the property that contains as many as eight 207 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: hundred deceased soldiers. Over eight hundred of them were buried 208 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: in the yard of the Fairfield in with no way 209 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: of marking where they were or worse, who they were. 210 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: According to Patty Wilson's Gettysburg Ghost Guide, the area of 211 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: the inn that's now the dining room was once a courtyard, 212 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: which is reportedly the site of that mass grave. Wilson 213 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: says that while the bodies were removed in the winter 214 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty three, it's not known if all of 215 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: the remains are accounted for. Paranormal reports in the inn 216 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: include dishes and other objects moving on their own, unexplained 217 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: footsteps and voices, and the shadow of an older man 218 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: in the dining room. Remember Jenny Wade. She was the 219 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: only civilian casualty of the battle. At only twenty years 220 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: old and engaged to be married, she was killed when 221 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: a stray bullet struck her home. Today, the Jenny Wade 222 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: House is a museum where people claim to witness objects 223 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: moving on their own, to smell perfume, and to hear 224 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: voices and footsteps. There's a sweet side to this story. Though. 225 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Legend has it that when a woman places her finger 226 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: into the bullet hole in the wall, she'll soon be 227 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: proposed to, and many women who have put it to 228 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: the test report back that they did in fact get 229 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: engaged shortly after. Not to be a buzz kill, but 230 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: it didn't work for me. Most claimed that Jenny wants 231 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: to provide happiness via love and death, the very kind 232 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: that she was mortally denied in life. What is likely 233 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: the most haunted location in all of Gettysburg, though, is 234 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: the Farnsworth House. In built around eighteen ten, it was 235 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: a private home until nineteen o nine, when the owners 236 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: turned the building into a guesthouse to cater to visitors 237 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: in the area. Barnsworth House has a unique history in 238 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: the Battle of Gettysburg. It served as a headquarters for 239 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Union soldiers, but was later occupied by Confederates while the 240 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: battle raged on Cemetery Hill and before returning to Union 241 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: control on July four, when the battle ended. When the owners, 242 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: mother and daughter, Katherine and Elizabeth Sweeney, returned home, they 243 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: found a truly gruesome sight. Broken windows, glass shattered everywhere, 244 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and a home filled with blood. Elizabeth reportedly followed a 245 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: trail of blood down to the basement which is now 246 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: called the catacombs, and found the bodies of two Confederate soldiers. 247 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: One was in a shallow grave with a neck wound 248 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: that almost cleanly separated his head from his shoulders. The other, 249 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: who according to some accounts, could be a Lieutenant Jackson, 250 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: brought the dying soldier into the home and sang a 251 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: song to his fallen comrade as he passed, which is 252 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: sometimes heard in the house. Now In the cellar, there 253 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: are many reports of a playful spirit named Jeremy, a 254 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: boy who died in the home after a carriage accident. 255 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: Jeremy is reported to often play tricks on visitors like 256 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: grabbing ankles, tugging pants, and untying shoes. There are also 257 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: reports of an aggressive Confederate soldier, which could be Lieutenant Jackson, 258 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: who was sometimes heard humming in the are a black room. 259 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: There are reports of spirits so pronounced that they've been 260 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: photographed appearing in windows from the street outside. In that room, 261 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: guests report sounds of heavy objects being dragged across the 262 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: floor and of a newborn crying. The young Jeremy passed 263 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: away of his injuries in that room. Supposedly, and investigators 264 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: have captured e vps of someone saying Jeremy and referencing 265 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: the red box of toys left for him to play 266 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: within the house. Once, guests in the room witnessed a 267 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: lamp turned on and off, only to discover that the 268 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: lamp was never plugged in. When they jokingly called out 269 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to Jeremy to see if he was responsible, they heard 270 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: a child's laugh in response. In the Jenny Wade Room, 271 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: guests have reported many strange phenomena, like waking up to 272 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: a pile of wet towels on the floor of the 273 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: bathroom when no one had showered, or hearing loud guests 274 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: in the room above, only to find out the next 275 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: morning that there is no room above the Jenny Wade Room. 276 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: Once a guest even reported seeing something strange happened to 277 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: a piece of art in the room, which Bernadette Lawful 278 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: Atkins recounted in her book Gettysburg's Haunted Address, Spirits of 279 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: the Farnsworth House in I was unnerved by the painting 280 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: of the Staring Monkey, the guests said. I woke up 281 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and the monkey had 282 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: vanished from the painting. There's even one room, the garret 283 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: room that's closed off to guests because people have reported 284 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: seeing horrifying scenes of a room covered in blood, only 285 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: to have the carnage disappear before their eyes. That room 286 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: is reportedly the exact spot where Catherine and Elizabeth Sweeney 287 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: returned home after the battle to find blood dripping down 288 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: the walls. Even spookier, some report that Confederate sharpshooters occupied 289 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: the attic of the house during their time there, and 290 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that the bullets that hit Jenny Wade's house, killing her 291 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: almost definitely came from those shooters. I could go on 292 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: and on, but I think it's time we bring in 293 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: an expert. Mark Nesbitt is a renowned historian who actually 294 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: started his interest in Gettysburg when he was a park 295 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: ranger there. Since then, he has authored many books on 296 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: the subject of Gettysburg's hauntings and history. He also runs 297 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the premier ghost tour in Town Ghosts of Gettysburg. We'll 298 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: pick Mark's brain on all the local haunts and find 299 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: out how you can experience them for yourself. That is 300 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: coming up after the break. So I am joined now 301 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: by Mark Nesbitt, who is an author and historian He 302 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: also owns and operates the tour company Ghosts of Gettysburg 303 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: and anytime you want to talk ghosts and Gettysburg, Mark 304 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: Nesbitt is the man, right. So so thanks for joining me, Mark, Well, 305 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: thanks for having me any We were chatting a little 306 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: bit before about how we are often doing events together. 307 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: I've had you at strange escapes, or We've used you 308 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: on various television shows as an expert, but we never 309 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: get to just like checks, We're always so busy. I know, well, 310 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, you're on one end of the hall and 311 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm at the other end, and we don't get a 312 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: chance to sit and talk. Well, this is our moment finally. 313 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: So Gettysburg I think comes up a lot as being 314 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: one of the most haunted locations in the country, and 315 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: I can vouch for that having had many experiences they're 316 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: having investigated a number of locations over the years there. 317 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: Why do you think that energy remains there? Why do 318 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: you think it's so haunted? Well, of course, you had 319 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: so much tragedy there and everything from emotional tragedy on 320 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: an individual level. You had high energy because the fate 321 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: of the nation was on the line, and you know, 322 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: you had so many deaths and injuries, casualties, casualties in 323 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: just three days. The expanse was incredible. A lot of 324 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: people just think they come to Gettysburg gonna want to 325 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: know where the battlefield is. And if you can answer 326 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: that question, the answer is you're on in the battlefield 327 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: because the town itself was included. We still have a 328 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of houses left from the battle. Out of four 329 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: hundred that we're here at the time of the battle, 330 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: two hundred remains. You've got the physical means for residual ghosts, 331 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: and you had basically the perfect storm to create ghosts 332 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: and remnant spirits to stick around during the three days 333 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: of July on second and third of July three. So 334 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: that pretty much sums it up. I think that that 335 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: is an important point you made about just like the 336 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: emotional toll that that took, because we find that in 337 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: many hauntings that you know, sometimes if there's emotions involved, 338 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: those become kind of a more of a like a 339 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: stronger energetic imprint or even the more intelligent type haunt. 340 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: And to think, you know, you multiply that by tens 341 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: of thousands. You've got this piece of land, this area, 342 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: this town that I think it just resonates there today, 343 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: Like you can't walk down the street in Gettysburg and 344 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: not just have this feeling of something different about it. So, 345 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: in your years of exploring and researching, where do you 346 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: think most of the hauntings are concentrated? Are there any 347 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: areas that are more haunted than others? Yeah? There are, 348 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting any because it seems to change. 349 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: Ten twelve years ago, I got a lot of stories 350 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: coming from the Spanglish Spring area, and then they kind 351 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: of faded, and now I'm starting to get some more 352 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: from the Spanglish Spring area. Definitely, there are some places 353 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: that are more consistent with hauntings, and one of course 354 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: would be Devil's Den, that huge jumble of granite rocks 355 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: down there below a little round top, and then the 356 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: field just adjacent to it, which would be the Triangular Field. 357 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Those two places are pretty much go to places if 358 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: you want to go out in the battlefield and experience 359 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: of haunting. The other one would be Sacks Bridge. I 360 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: don't like to send too many people out there because 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: tons of people go out there already. In that area. 362 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: You have the largest amount of flowing water in the 363 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: Gettysburg area going right underneath that bridge, and as you know, 364 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: water has a lot of energy. You know, one theory is, 365 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: as you know, the ghosts need energy to manifest and 366 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: they need to borrow it from somewhere, and that seems 367 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: to be one of the places that's most haunted. It's 368 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: an original bridge, wouldn't covered bridge. So you know, those 369 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: are some of the places. Those are the go to places. 370 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I hate to bypass the town because 371 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna be spending a lot of time in the town. 372 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: And you're right, there is a special feeling once you 373 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: get to Gettysburg. Most people can't deny it. Yeah, and 374 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: people always ask about investigating battle feel olds, like for us, 375 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: even on various TV shows and things. And obviously Gettysburg 376 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: is very protective of their battlefields and they don't allow 377 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: people to go out onto them at night. But I 378 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: always tell people you don't really need to investigate at night. 379 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: People ask me all the time, why do you investigate 380 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: at night? It's preferable because there's less traffic, it's quieter, 381 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: your senses are heightened in the dark. You can see 382 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: certain light anomalies easier at night. But you know, if 383 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: activity is happening reliably during the day. There's no reason 384 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: why you can't investigate during the day. So I tell people, 385 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: if you go go go out on the battlefields, bring 386 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: a recorder. The only thing is I have definitely seen 387 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: photos and some I guess I couldn't definitely UM dispute, 388 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: but I've seen photos where people are like, there's a 389 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: there's a soldier in the background. But Bettysburg is crawling 390 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: with reenactors, so you never know what you capture. Yeah, yeah, well, 391 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: I agree with the honor for set that you don't have. 392 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, your your sensors are a little bit 393 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: more concentrated at night. But the statistics, I mean, I've 394 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: collected well over a thousand stories from Gettysburg and they're 395 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: split right down the middle between events that happened during 396 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: the day and events that happened during the night. So 397 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: it can happen anytime, yeah, I mean. And then there 398 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: are some famous um places that you can like the 399 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: Farnsworth House. You can stay at the Farnsworth House and 400 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: investigate there, like they have rooms available, and I stayed there. Unfortunately, 401 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: by the time I went to sleep, I've been investigating 402 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: until three am, so I was out like a light. 403 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: So if anything happened around me, I don't know. You 404 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: having done so much research and be out and about 405 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot there, what is the most chilling experience you've 406 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: had or just one that just really left you scratching 407 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: your head? Well that the one that really got to 408 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: me was an experience I had at the Daniel Lady Farm. 409 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: I used to be on the board of directors of 410 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: the organization that owns it, and that used to be 411 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: a hospital. It was a hospital at the time of 412 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: the battle. The front room was a surgery room and 413 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the caretaker called me out one day and he said, 414 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: if you want to see something paranormal happening, come on 415 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: out now. I mean, who can turn that down? Right? 416 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: So I got my gear and I went out there, 417 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: and I literally walked into place with my video running, 418 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: and I said, what's up? He says, we cleaned this 419 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: place top the bottom yesterday because we had guests. But 420 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: come in in the room here and take a look. 421 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: So I walked into the room that was the operating room. 422 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: There on the floor, wooden floor, were screams of a 423 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: rust colored liquid and they were probably five to eight 424 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: ft long. Three or four of them drops of this 425 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: colored liquid that was all around it. I videotaped the 426 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: whole thing and I said, did you have a pipe 427 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: break downstairs? And he says, no, this just appeared. I 428 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: asked him for a tissue. I said, you have a kleenex, 429 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: and so I stopped some of it up, and I said, 430 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Says why I gotta 431 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: go on the field. I can't clean this up now, 432 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: I gotta go. So I left two and I had 433 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: all that on videotape. Two hours later, I got another 434 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: phone call from him. He said it's gone. I said 435 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: what he said, It's gone. So I rushed out there 436 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: again once again with a video camera going, and I 437 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: got there's nothing on the floor, and of course, over 438 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: in the corners are stains from the operating room that 439 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: are a hundred fifty years old, and there is nothing 440 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: on the floor. And I've even got a video of 441 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: him crouching down and saying, this is where it was, 442 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: right and he picks up his hands and he's like, 443 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: what the heck is this and it's dust on his hands, 444 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like what. And I said to Carol, my wife, 445 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: I said, go see if the the sample is there, 446 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: and she ran out to the car and sure enough 447 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: it was okay. So this organization that owns the place 448 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: has some pretty good contacts. They contacted one or more 449 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: prestigious forensic firms in the state and they did an 450 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: analysis on it, and three weeks later the report came 451 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: back and the substance the liquid was blood and the 452 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: species was human. Oh my goodness, I'm like, what just happened? 453 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: Was I in a some kind of time warp? They're 454 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: still bloodstains from the battle on the They can't Mrs 455 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: Lady couldn't get them out of her wood floor. So 456 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: amy that was. That was the strangest thing that is wild. 457 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: That is truly wild. I mean, I don't know what 458 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: to make of that. I've had a number of really 459 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: strange experiences in Gettysburg when I talked about a lot, 460 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: but I don't think I've talked about it on the podcast. 461 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: But I had an experience in the basement of an 462 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: orphanage which was witnessed by a number of people. I 463 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: I was investigating with Adam Bury and we were kind 464 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: of leading an investigation group and they were probably I 465 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: don't know, eight or nine people with us, and we 466 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: had put a number of K two meters down on 467 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: the floor, and these, you know, we used them sometimes 468 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to interact with spirits and they light up when he 469 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: am at this present. Anyways, at one point they all 470 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: lit up in a row. We had them lined up. 471 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: They just went don't, don't, don't towards me, and then 472 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: something grabbed my hip and yanked me to the side, 473 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: and I squealed and I ran across the room because 474 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was like a person, but no one 475 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: was near me. I remember my heart pounding, like my 476 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: voice was shaking, and apparently everyone watched this shadow figure 477 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: sprint across the room towards me, and that lit up 478 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: the K two's and then I got grabbed violently. It 479 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: was very bizarre, and to this day, I'm always like 480 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: like that. It just startled me. I mean people always 481 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: ask you, do you get scared, and I'm like, yeah, 482 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: but like, even if a life person did that to me, 483 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: that would be terrifying. So yeah, well, it's always scary 484 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: when you get touched in an investigation. That's happened to 485 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: me a number of times. The Cash Town, in which 486 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: is another haunted place you're familiar with, I had my 487 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: sleeve pulled. So yeah, that that's a it's unnerving without 488 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: a doubt. Yeah, the cash town in is a really 489 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: great little spot too. Um. We investigated that on Kindred 490 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: Spirits and had a lot of good luck there. There 491 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: is this history to supposedly in the basement where they 492 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: did all these operations or I think amputations. And how 493 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: much history that you find in Gettysburg, how much of 494 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: it is true and how much of it do you 495 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: find is just kind of lore or rumors. Well, you know, 496 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: that's the funny part about Gettysburg is that the history 497 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: keeps changing. You know, you know, you think you know 498 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: everything and then somebody finds a paper or a letter 499 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: or something that changes your whole outlook on the whole thing. 500 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, there's still some things that that stand the 501 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: test of time. You have to go with those when 502 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: you can. There are also professional debunkers out there. They 503 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: like to Yeah, they just kind of tear apart everything 504 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: about that what we know about the battle, and sometimes 505 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: it stands, sometimes it doesn't. But for example, the number 506 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: of casualties when I was I used to be a 507 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: park ranger as you know there, when I was giving talks, 508 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: it was fifty one thousand casualties, which is incredible. That's 509 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: like a Yankee stadium pull of people, you know, that 510 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: on a sold out day. But then it went down 511 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: to forty seven or something like that. Even the number 512 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: of people who died because of the Civil War has 513 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: changed because they changed their methods of counting. So the 514 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: stories keep coming up. The interesting part about the ghost 515 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: stories is that my last book I had to put 516 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: a chapter and called deja vous because I was getting 517 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: stories of places, same place, same kind of stories from 518 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: a whole virtually a whole new generation of people, stories 519 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: that I collected fifteen, eighteen, twenty years ago that we're 520 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: happening again, and you know, the people are other different people, 521 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: and so that was really a strange thing. Although it 522 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: does tell us something about the ghosts that they stay 523 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: in the same place, they gotta do repetitive bothers, some 524 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: pranks that happened all the time, so you know that's 525 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: part of the history as well. You know, it's folklore, 526 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: so it's all part of the history, and it's people 527 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: having experiences at Gettys were continuing experiences. Yeah, it was funny. 528 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: One of the things we tried there when we were 529 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: filming Kindred Spirits. Was we asked in the Jenny Wade 530 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: House about ghosts at the Farnsworth House, like we were 531 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: asking and they seemed to be aware of each other, 532 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: which was very strange. It was like they, you know, 533 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: we were investigating this mirror at the Farnsworth House and 534 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: we asked at the Jenny Wade House. We got an 535 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: e v P where like there's something different at the 536 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Farnsworth House or I can't remember the exact wording that 537 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: we said, but we got an e VP that said mirror. 538 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: So someone at the Jenny Wade House knew about this 539 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: mirror at the Farnsworth House. And it just makes you wonder, like, 540 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: is there this whole like society of ghosts that like 541 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: gossip and talk to each other? Well, that could be. 542 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were all it was a 543 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: small town only people at the time of the battle. 544 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: They virtually knew each other. Everybody knew each other. Of 545 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: course Farnsworth House was not called that at the time, 546 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: but people lived there and it's a historic house. Obviously 547 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: our house, the one that we run the tours out of, 548 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: was there at the time of the battle. Jenny Wade, 549 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: you investigated the house she died in, But her birth 550 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: house is just, oh maybe half a block from us, 551 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: and how she lived in is about half a block 552 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: from us, so she walked right past our house. People 553 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: knew each other that you read the accounts, and they 554 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: talk about her brother. I guess his name was Samuel Wade, 555 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: who knew Tillie Pierce, who lived across the way from us. 556 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: So maybe they're still meeting each other and in the 557 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: other the world. I don't know. Yeah, I'll never claim 558 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: to know how it works, but I just find it fascinating. 559 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: So as someone coming to visit, what areas or what 560 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: places would you recommend stops that for people if they 561 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: want to go to Gettysburg and have a ghostly experience, well, 562 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: I would definitely recommend obviously the battlefield those some of 563 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: those places out there that I mentioned before are pretty active. 564 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: But be sure you know any history. I always emphasized 565 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: the history because that, as you know, has something to 566 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: do with explaining why the ghosts are there in town. 567 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you name several other places to see. 568 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: They might also want to go to some of the 569 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: other bed and breakfasts there. I know that the balladari 570 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: in Is. We use them as a haunted area there 571 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: on Hospital Road. A lot of the hospitals were out there, 572 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: so that's quite a quite an interesting place. Obviously, the 573 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: seminary that's where the battle started out in that area, 574 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: the Robert E. Lee's headquarters is now open and restored 575 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: when it was at the time of the battle. And 576 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: as far as doing a paranormal investigation any of those places, 577 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: even the battlefield, if you're if you're discreet about it, 578 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: you can do an investigation anywhere. You can record video, 579 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: audio recording, get a VP just about any place on 580 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: the battlefield. Some places are more quiet than others. The 581 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: best part also is that you have all those monuments 582 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: with the names of the wounded and the dead. That's true, 583 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: and you can use those if that's your method to 584 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: try and talk to some of these people. And I've 585 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: had success doing that, So yeah, that's a lot of 586 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: information is your friend when you're investigating. Like I tell 587 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: people that all the time, like the more empowered you 588 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: are with information and history, the more activity you'll get 589 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: because it's something that the spirits recognize. So that being said, 590 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: what can people expect as far as paranormal activity goes like, 591 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: what do you think people experience more than anything else 592 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: in Gettysburg. Well, there there seems to be people getting video, 593 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: especially at night, although some of that stuff can be debunked. 594 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: I hate to do that if I'm not there on 595 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: site watching the investigation, but the audio is almost to 596 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: me that's pretty fool proof. You know. If you ask 597 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: the right questions and then do the protocol by just 598 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 1: staying quiet for a little while, you'll probably not only 599 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: record something, but you'll probably you may hear something to 600 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people here, Cannons going off, musketry being fired, 601 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: large groups of men shouting out on the battlefield. A 602 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: lot of the pictures are tough because if you don't 603 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: take more than one, you're likely to get the matrix 604 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: type of thing going on with all the leaves on 605 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: the trees because it is heavily wooded in some areas, 606 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: you know. That's That's what I would say is if 607 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: you want to actually capture something, you might want to 608 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: try Evie be audio out there, for sure. I know 609 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: Adam Barry always references having had his first major, well 610 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: not first major, but like what really got him into 611 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: investigating was his experience in Gettysburg, and that's what the 612 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: experience he had is he kind of went off the 613 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: beaten path. It was after dark. I think it was 614 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: behind one of the schools or something, because like you said, 615 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: everything was a battlefield and he was out there and 616 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: he literally heard cannon fire and men, like he heard 617 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: a battle, but it was like in the middle of 618 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: the night. And so that was that moment for him 619 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: where he I'm sure the story is more involved than that, 620 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: but that was really like it was a big deal 621 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: for him. That's what really got him into investigating because 622 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: he had no way to explain it. And we even 623 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: went out there once with Greg and Dana new Kirk. 624 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: We went out. I don't think it was on the episode, 625 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: but they came out and helped us investigate. We investigated, 626 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: We're Adam went we got permission from the school to 627 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: go back there and we heard someone again. It's like 628 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: two in the morning, and we heard, like I guess 629 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: it's called like the rebel yell or something. We heard 630 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: that off in the distance. I mean, it could have 631 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: been someone I guess being silly, but it was just 632 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: very weird because it was the middle of the night. 633 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: It was a very random thing to hear. Yeah, I mean, 634 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's common, because it's not. 635 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: It's weird. But I've heard those stories too from other 636 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: people in other words, and that is not a strange thing. 637 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: And I mean it's strange, but it's not a strange 638 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: thing in Gettysburg. And that's a nice part about town 639 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: is that you know, even though you're restricted from going 640 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: out on the battlefield, there are a lot of places 641 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: in town that are battlefield. I just finished a book 642 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: called Hidden Haunted Hotspots of Gettysburg, and it talks about 643 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: the places in town that you can go that aren't 644 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: closed after dark, like the like Koster Avenue, which is 645 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: what's known as the Brickyard Fight. There's an area behind 646 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: Harrisburg Area Community College out on Route fifteen that used 647 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: to be a radio shack, and the one who was 648 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: there said, you gotta come in here and investigate this place. 649 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: It's gone now. And I never did get a chance, 650 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: but she told me a story of how she'd come 651 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: in the morning and she'd hear a TV on in 652 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: the back of the building, and so she would She 653 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: figured the guy the night before was watching TV and 654 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: forgot to turn it off. So she walks to the 655 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: back and she sees the TV on, but it closer 656 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: she gets the picture fades and when she gets there, 657 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: the TV has been unplugged. It wasn't even plugged in. 658 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: That site is an area where before obviously the radio 659 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: shack was built. Confederate troops swept over that area and 660 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: they took casualties. I got so much t V p 661 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: out there, it was just it was hard to understand. 662 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: It was these roars. You know, you get roar every 663 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: once in a while and you can hardly hear it. 664 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: So there there's another place that you can go to 665 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: all night long, you know, or overnight, and several other 666 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: places as well. When you're in town. I'll show you 667 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: a couple of those places are kind of cool. Yeah, 668 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm planning on going back soon. I want to go 669 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: back in the spring, just for a little long weekend moment. Now, Rushian, 670 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: do you feel like the reenactors some sin activity or 671 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: somehow instigate activity, like their presence or the cannon fire gunfire? 672 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that ever makes anything happen? Oh? Yeah, 673 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: I got I get a lot of stories from reenactors 674 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: who are in camp. For example, and they'll be sitting 675 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden they'll look up and 676 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: they'll see another reenactor that they don't recognize. But he's 677 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: dressed to the nines. I mean, he's perfect, and then 678 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he'll, you know, maybe get a 679 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: confused look on his face and disappear in front of him. 680 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: When they made the movie Gettysburg, from one of the 681 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: fellas who was there, I got thirteen pages just of notes, 682 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: four and five events on each page that the re 683 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: enactors had experiences they had when they were filming, and 684 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: some of them were very very strange, you know, seeing 685 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: individuals writing horror is into their camp. The other thing 686 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind too, And I always 687 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: ask people when they say they saw a ghost out there. 688 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm always like, well, what time of year was it? 689 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: Because around the fourth of July, of course, we have 690 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: our re enactment in Gettysburg, and sometimes the re enactors 691 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: are the ghosts. They've kind of gotten into this thing 692 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: where they'll hang out there a little bit and then 693 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: slip behind a tree. I mean, I can't say that 694 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. That my why not? Yeah, I 695 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: mean it's funny because when we're investigating sometimes we use 696 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: things like music or will dress up. We try to 697 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of bring up moments in history, and it acts 698 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: is like this massive kind of triggering moment, I guess, 699 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: and I just think about Gettysburg in that sense. How 700 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: that just kind of keeps happening over and over again 701 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: because people are constantly, you know, other than like obviously 702 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: in the colder months, people are constantly re enacting the 703 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: battle and talking about the battle and just bringing it 704 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: up again and again, like it ever really gets a 705 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: chance to settle. If that makes sense, No, I agree, 706 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: And you know it tell also tells us something about 707 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: the ghosts if we can see them occasionally. Can you 708 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: imagine all of a sudden, you you know, you've been dead, 709 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: and you're dressed in your uniform, and you look up 710 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: and you see those bunch of guys that are all 711 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: dressed like you, and you smell the coffee and you 712 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: smell the bacon which you're gonna walk into the scene, 713 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you realize, gee, I'm 714 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: not supposed to be here, and so the ghosts can 715 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: see us too? Is what that tells? So interesting? Well, 716 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: I can talk about this all day. I know your 717 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: time is precious and I do want, though, to make 718 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: sure people know how to find you. So if people 719 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: want to pick up your books that they want to 720 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: go on the tours, how do they find Mark Nez? 721 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: But well, our website is the best way to do that, 722 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: and you can find the books. You can find our 723 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: new app. We have a ghost app, ghost tour app 724 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: of the battlefield that just came out, and it's Ghosts 725 00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: of Gettysburg dot com. It's plural Ghosts of Gettysburg dot com. 726 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: All that is fantastic. So, well, next time I'm in 727 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: town and I'm not working, we'll definitely have to grab 728 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: lunch or something, so we're not sitting across from each 729 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: other at in a conference hall just waving in the distance. Well, 730 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. If people are interested, definitely pick 731 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: up Mark's books because there's so much more where this 732 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: came from. There's so many stories. Gettysburg is fascinating. It's 733 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: one of my favorite places to investigate and visit. And yes, 734 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Mark, Thank you so much for 735 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: taking the time any time. Any Gettysburg is a town 736 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: that has completely embraced its history and ghosts. I've seen 737 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: it turned many a nonbeliever into a believer, and even 738 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: the most skeptical of people can't walk those streets and 739 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: not feel that quiet home of energy and energy. I 740 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: don't believe we'll ever leave. Even though the Battle of 741 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: Gettysburg took place over one hundred fifty years ago. You 742 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: feel it in your bones as though it happened yesterday. 743 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: It calls me back again and again, and it will 744 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: do the same for you if you ever pay a visit. 745 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: When you do, pay careful attention to any reenactors you see, 746 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: they could very well be a ghost. I'm Amy Bruney, 747 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production 748 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. 749 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: The podcast is written and hosted by Amy Bruney. Executive 750 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: producers include Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. The 751 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: show is produced by rema Ill Kali and Trevor Young. 752 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: Research by Taylor Haggerdorn, Amy Bruney and Robin Miniter. For 753 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 754 00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.