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Speaker 2: I have at times been lightly accused by Buck Rising

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Speaker 3: Over Mike Brown's fucking fits hanging out with the on

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. It's just coming straight out in New York.

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Speaker 2: As we start on the third of July edition, he's

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Speaker 2: Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. He's smiling at me as

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Speaker 2: I even started this, because all al acquies know that

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Speaker 2: I and Bucket and I were hanging out at the time,

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Speaker 3: They don't raise banners for second round wins.

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Speaker 2: And you know it felt looking back at it felt

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Speaker 4: You look at you? I imagine that the New York

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Speaker 5: And bother the Knicks fans.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, Mike Brown may be too good

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Speaker 4: be irritating. And we've talked about this VICI. I'm a

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Speaker 5: But to fire Tom.

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Speaker 4: Thibodeau the way that they did, and I I couldn't

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Speaker 5: You doing the same.

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Speaker 4: We have both seen situations where you think a coach

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Speaker 2: You weren't wrong, and it's but there's this moment for

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Speaker 2: But this is the problem with an emotional rejerk, knee

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Speaker 2: And I don't understand how they didn't organizationally know that.

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Speaker 2: That's the fatal flaw on the higher to me is

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Speaker 4: to reiterate, it's not to me about Mike Brown. Mike

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Speaker 5: He gets no grace, period.

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Speaker 4: He is walking in to an absolute buzzsaw.

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Speaker 2: He's walking into a situation that the last guy got

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Speaker 2: Like they start to figuring out how to to If

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Speaker 3: Common in most businesses.

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Speaker 5: Knicks fans have to be in an unrelenting hell.

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Speaker 3: We are just getting rolling. We'll take the unrelenting.

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Speaker 2: Hell coast to coast because for all the conversation about

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Speaker 3: We'll get into it. It's a big day on two

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Speaker 2: Buckett I will be here today and tomorrow for all

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Speaker 2: Fandom is so often about hope, right, It's about hoping

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Speaker 2: Where do you find your hope when you realize that, frankly,

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Speaker 4: have the ear of ownership to be able to influence

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Speaker 4: a multi billion dollar industry, which is crazy, crazy, but

441
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Speaker 4: that's a very Sports is a microcosm for society and

442
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: life at large. Right, So anything that you see happening

443
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Speaker 4: at a sports level could also be you know, there's

444
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Speaker 4: politics in every industry, whether you want to attribute those

445
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Speaker 4: behavior behavioral characteristics to politics or not.

446
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Speaker 5: There are office politics.

447
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Speaker 4: And that exists in the NFL and the NBA and

448
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 4: in professional ownership professional sports. No matter what level you're

449
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 4: looking at, there are more bad owners than good. But

450
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Speaker 4: to your point, I just don't know what There is

451
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Speaker 4: no perfect solution here because you want somebody that cares,

452
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 4: but you also don't want somebody that cares enough to

453
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 4: get involved or get in past their depth, past their

454
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Speaker 4: point of competency, when they have probably hired people to

455
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Speaker 4: do those jobs, and now all of a sudden they

456
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Speaker 4: are lending their or they're sitting in on.

457
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Speaker 5: The meetings and.

458
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Speaker 4: Doing one of these numbers where they're like, oh, you

459
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Speaker 4: won't notice me at all.

460
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Speaker 5: I'm just sitting in the.

461
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Speaker 4: Middle of this while all of you who work for

462
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Speaker 4: me and your professional livelihoods depend on me, don't pay

463
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Speaker 4: any attention to me. While I sit here in field

464
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Speaker 4: Foald calls about likely your job viability.

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Speaker 2: I've had this awakening because a lot of what you're

466
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Speaker 2: describing here, by the way, is also Jerry Jones, right,

467
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Speaker 2: Like Jerry Jones cares deeply about the Cowboys.

468
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Speaker 3: I don't think you no question.

469
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Speaker 2: You're spent two seconds around Jerry Jones can question that,

470
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Speaker 2: but he's just not. I mean, when you want to

471
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Speaker 2: look at why they haven't won a championship, at some

472
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Speaker 2: point you have to continue to look at Jerry Jones.

473
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Speaker 2: But here's what has hit me as you were talking.

474
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Speaker 2: There's no recourse for these owners. There is absolutely no

475
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Speaker 2: recourse because in my blood I joked earlier about being

476
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Speaker 2: a lifelong, diehard six month Dodgers fan. I don't care

477
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Speaker 2: about the Dodgers. If they suck, I'll just go somewhere

478
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Speaker 2: else and root for somebody. I don't care well way

479
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Speaker 2: they are that I didn't grow up with a favorite

480
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Speaker 2: baseball team, I don't care. I am a lifelong die

481
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Speaker 2: hard Raiders fan, and it doesn't matter. I grew up

482
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Speaker 2: an Oakland or an LA Raiders fan that became an

483
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Speaker 2: Oakland Raiders fan that is now a Vegas Raiders fan.

484
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Speaker 2: I don't care what city they play in, right, I

485
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Speaker 2: don't care. I grew up with it watching Al Davis

486
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Speaker 2: and now I got Mark Davis.

487
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Speaker 3: I don't care.

488
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Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, I cannot change

489
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Speaker 2: the fact right or wrong. As much as I'm a

490
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Speaker 2: grown ass man admitting this into a microphone, I cannot

491
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Speaker 2: change the fact that the way the Raiders play moves

492
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Speaker 2: my heartbeat on Sundays like it makes me feel things, rage, joy,

493
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Speaker 2: all of these things that nothing else does.

494
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Speaker 3: It is ingrained in who I am. Thanks Dad.

495
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Speaker 2: It is part of my culture of how I will

496
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Speaker 2: be described for the rest of my life. In my

497
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: sixth grade yearbook, one of the teachers wrote, go Raiders,

498
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Speaker 2: because all the way back then, I was just wearing

499
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Speaker 2: a Raiders hoodie every day in my life. Nothing changes that,

500
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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, there's really no

501
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: recourse to Mark Davis if the Raiders suck, like I'm

502
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: still gonna buy the gear. I'm still gonna watch it

503
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Speaker 2: like most people, and as often as somebody on Twitter

504
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Speaker 2: wants to be a Karen and be like, I'm never

505
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Speaker 2: coming back to this restaurant. Yeah, yeah, y are I

506
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: mean if you if you turn around and say you

507
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Speaker 2: know this. The Titans fan base might be small, but

508
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Speaker 2: they are mighty, and they are loud right like the

509
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Speaker 2: are they are a handful said kindly there is.

510
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Speaker 4: Mighty is not how I would describe that, but that's

511
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Speaker 4: very kind of you.

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Speaker 2: They are they are passionate, let's say, but they're passionate.

513
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Speaker 2: And the fact is, if this team wins three games,

514
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Speaker 2: they're still gonna be passionate. Like, if this team wins

515
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Speaker 2: three games, they're still gonna have a beautiful, swanky new stadium.

516
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Speaker 3: That is going to make the team money.

517
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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, Amy Adams Strunk

518
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Speaker 2: is still gonna get her porche of all of the

519
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Speaker 2: profit sharing that is part of being an NFL owner.

520
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Speaker 2: So when you know as an owner of whatever, whether

521
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: we're talking about the NBA, the NHL, major League Baseball,

522
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: When you know as an owner that your stadium is.

524
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Speaker 2: Going to be full enough that you're making your money,

525
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Speaker 2: you know that you're going to get profit share out

526
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Speaker 2: of the agreements that are already there across the board.

527
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Speaker 3: And you know that through all of it fans because

528
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Speaker 3: it's ingrained in them.

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Speaker 2: The majority of fans are never going to be able

530
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Speaker 2: to quit being fans of your favorite team. Like I

531
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: got killed on air at the time during the entire

532
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Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick controversy that was going through saying, hey, if

533
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Speaker 2: you don't like the way your favorite team is handling it,

534
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Speaker 2: just don't be a fan of them anymore. If you're

535
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Speaker 2: so passionate about it, just put away the gear.

536
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Speaker 3: And the answer to that was, well, that's impossible. Owners

537
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Speaker 3: know that, So they stick.

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Speaker 2: Of their job because who's ever going to stop them

539
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Speaker 2: from sticking at their job?

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Speaker 4: It is is one of the more frustrating parts of

541
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Speaker 4: being a fan because it's completely out of your control,

542
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Speaker 4: even though you think you have some level of control,

543
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Speaker 4: and by the way, you think you are entitled.

544
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Speaker 5: To have an opinion.

545
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Speaker 4: I am critical sometimes of a rational fan reaction.

546
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Speaker 5: God knows, Titans fans.

547
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Speaker 4: Would probably snort and laugh hearing me describe it that kindly,

548
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Speaker 4: But I think that some of it is a bit

549
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: off the wall. But that doesn't mean that you don't

550
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Speaker 4: have a ride as a fan to express your emotion.

551
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Speaker 4: And I think that goes both ways. That describes hate

552
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: and that describes love. Like I think that you should

553
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: be able to operate on the full fan spectrum. If

554
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: you are somebody who has put the amount of time

555
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: investment financially personally into your favorite team, you should be

556
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: able to have an opinion about the way that that

557
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: team is run. But the idea that that opinion has

558
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Speaker 4: actual impact is the thing that I think fans forget

559
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, or that that entitlement

560
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Speaker 4: to that opinion gives you the ability to impact change,

561
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: when in reality, the only people that have the ability

562
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 4: to impact change with your your favorite sports team are

563
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: the people who own it, because it's it's a plaything

564
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: to them, it's a billionaire's play ground.

565
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Speaker 2: We could impact that change, like you and me. No, no, no, fans,

566
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Speaker 2: this is where see I think fans, all.

567
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Speaker 5: Play is going to make us almighty. And you know,

568
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Speaker 5: because we have the power of the microphone.

569
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Speaker 2: Baby, we got them, no, no, no, but we have

570
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Speaker 2: the power of the dollar. Like you really want to

571
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: impact change, stop making it a profitable business.

572
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Speaker 4: But even then, FITZI, I just think there are so

573
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Speaker 4: many different avenues of revenue. Because you bring up the

574
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Speaker 4: Titans new stadium, and the Browns have announced a stadium plan,

575
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Speaker 4: and the Bills are getting a new stadium.

576
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Speaker 5: Right, there's there's.

577
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: Stadium for sure, for sure, But that Titans stadium is

578
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: not about the Tennessee Titans. The Tennessee Titans just happened

579
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Speaker 4: to exist in Nashville. That stadium is going to happen

580
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Speaker 4: because now Ashville, the city in Ashville wants to host

581
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl, The city in Nashville wants to host WWE.

582
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 4: They want the biggest international events. They are pissed that

583
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Speaker 4: they missed out on the World Cup and that Kansas

584
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: City is going to be a World Cup host site,

585
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: which is nonsense. The worst airport in America, even though

586
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: I know they're getting a new one, is going.

587
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Speaker 3: To be at airport.

588
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 5: That airport is trash.

589
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: It's time.

590
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: It's all separated, like once you go through the security

591
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: in these four gates, you're con.

592
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: It's so disorienting that airport. Anyway, we don't have to

593
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 4: religate that. My point is the Tennessee Titans are like

594
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: the least important thing in that stadium that's going to

595
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 4: be occupying that stadium's time.

596
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: Because how many dates is it? In reality, it's ten.

597
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: It's a couple of preseason games, and depending on the year,

598
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: eight or nine regular season games, and god knows, they

599
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: don't host playoff games around here because they don't make

600
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Speaker 4: the playoffs.

601
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Speaker 5: But there are so.

602
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Speaker 4: Many other things three hundred and sixty five days of

603
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Speaker 4: the year that are going to be occupying that stadium

604
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Speaker 4: that are going to.

605
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Speaker 5: Make her way more money her Amy, Adam.

606
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: Strunk, or any ownership group than the actual team that plays.

607
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: In there on Sunday.

608
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: So even the ability for a fan to impact how

609
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: ownership responds to things with their dollar has been mitigated

610
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: because well, I'll just take somebody else's dollar, or I'll take.

611
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Speaker 5: The opposing fans dollar.

612
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: Because Nashville is a destination city, baby, and if the

613
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Speaker 4: Vikings fans want to come in here and take it

614
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: over where their money spends just as well as yere does.

615
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: In fact, their dollar probably goes further because they spend

616
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: it on tickets, they spend it on concessions, they spend

617
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: it on Lower Broadway getting drunk before the game, and

618
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: after the game when their team beats the Titans, they

619
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Speaker 4: spend it on hotels. They stretched that visiting fan dollar

620
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: five times more than they would a local dollar. So

621
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Speaker 4: it's this really difficult spot that fans are caught in into.

622
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Speaker 5: And I don't mean to you know, this.

623
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Speaker 4: Whole diatribe to say, well, it's hopeless and you can

624
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Speaker 4: control nothing about it. But at the end of the day,

625
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: thing ittt what's the team that's most recently changed over

626
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: ownership in the NFL the Commanders Washington.

627
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, how hard was it to do that?

628
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: And that guy had you know, he was getting congressional

629
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Speaker 4: subpoenas while hiding out in the south of France on

630
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Speaker 4: a mega yacht.

631
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: Like you had to track that.

632
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 4: Guy down and drag him through court over a period

633
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: of twenty years to get him out of there.

634
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Speaker 5: And that's the extreme, right.

635
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: These things just don't they don't You struggle as a

636
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 4: fan with it because you, at the end of the

637
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: day understand that they are playing an entirely different game

638
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: than you are.

639
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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitza.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned all of this, and it just takes me

641
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: straight to Cleveland, where fans are going to be upset

642
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: because Cleveland, the Browns may have destroyed what little home

643
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: field advantage they actually have.

644
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Speaker 3: Will tell you about it. Next, Two Pros and a

645
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: Cup of Joe. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitz hanging

646
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: out with you on Fox Sports Radio.

647
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

648
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and

649
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox week days at six am Eastern three Am Pacific.

650
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Speaker 2: We live in a sports world where everything has to

651
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: be a massive deal. It has to be absolutely this

652
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: team is all in, or absolutely this team is all out,

653
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: where everything has to be clearly good or bad and

654
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: there's no in between. And I guess this week I

655
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: want to challenge that because as much as we.

656
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Speaker 3: Want to talk about the names involved.

657
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Speaker 2: With the Pittsburgh Steelers, isn't it at least possible that

658
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: the Steelers are not doing anything revolutionary, that the Steelers

659
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: aren't doing anything, that mortgage is their future, and in fact,

660
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Speaker 2: the Steelers are just doing what they have to do

661
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: to make it through this year.

662
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: It's not a sexy take, but sometimes the right take

663
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: is maybe it works out. Stuo Bros. And a cup

664
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: of Joe.

665
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising on Jason Fitzen, Like I just push

666
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: back sometimes to hot take culture, which we're all part

667
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: of because we sit here in front of microphones every

668
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: single day, and you don't get to the point that

669
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: you sit in front of a microphone unless you're opinionated.

670
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: I feel like.

671
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: Buck and I share a common trait in that we're

672
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: both the type of person that in a bar you

673
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: can say almost anything, and we're gonna say, well.

674
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bud, have you thought about it this way?

675
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Like, I think you have to be at some point

676
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: argumentative to get into radio in general or sports media

677
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: in general. But that being said, Buck, the Pittsburgh Steelers

678
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: make a trade Jalen Ramsey for make and Fitzpatrick, and

679
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: they also acquire John new Smith. This is shortly after

680
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: signing Aaron Rodgers, and I've just heard all sorts of takes.

681
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: I've heard everybody yelling and screaming. Even we've played on

682
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. To be completely fair, this morning, we've

683
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: been playing some of Colin Cowherd saying, oh, this is

684
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: all in?

685
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: Like why is this all in? I guess my whole

686
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: thing is.

687
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Like, look, the Steelers are who they are, and yes,

688
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: they've acquired some big names.

689
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: They've given up a big name in the process of

690
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 3: doing it.

691
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: But what if in doing this, what they've really done

692
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: is they've brought some people in for this year. They

693
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: haven't mortgaged their future to do it. They haven't sold

694
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: off future draft picks.

695
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: To do any of this.

696
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: They haven't screwed up their salary recap in the process

697
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: of trying to figure it all out. They put themselves

698
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: in a situation where, knowing that they don't have short

699
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: term solutions to want to be more competitive, they've gone

700
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: out and done the best they can to put in

701
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: short term solutions to wanting to be more competitive.

702
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: Is it gonna work? Maybe? Is it going to be meaningful? Maybe?

703
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: Are the Steelers actually gonna be much better? I don't

704
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: think so.

705
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: It makes them a conversation piece, and that to me

706
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: is really just what the Steelers are. They're not a

707
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: terrible football team. They're not a great football team. They're

708
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: just a football team that because of name recognition, brand recognition,

709
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: their coach.

710
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: And their quarterback.

711
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: We're going to talk a lot about this year, but

712
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: I think the takes have gotten out of control this

713
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: week about what all of it means.

714
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: Which is always the case, right, somebody's gonna fly off

715
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: it only you mentioned cities that would take an NFL

716
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: team off in other city's hands if they weren't willing

717
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: to pony up the cash for a new stadium. It

718
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: only takes one person to have the extreme opinion before

719
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: everybody starts flying off the handle. The reason why the

720
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: Steelers are interesting in this specific situation, and I would

721
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: describe them as the most interesting team in the NFL

722
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 4: offseason because of the moves that they've made, but not

723
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: necessarily just because of the moves that they've made, but

724
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: because it's so uncharacteristic of how the Steelers typically go.

725
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: About roster building.

726
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Now, I know Omar Khan has been in that job

727
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: for a couple of years now at this point, and

728
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: I'm blanking on the name of the former Steelers general

729
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: manager who was in that role for a very very

730
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: long time. Perhaps fits you can use the internet to

731
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 4: assist me there. But this is a different approach that

732
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: we are seeing them take. It doesn't mean that it

733
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: will be a bad approach or a good approach. It's

734
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: just not the typical behavior that we're accustomed to seeing

735
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: from them, which is they don't have a long term

736
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: quarterback solution. They are going in maybe not all in,

737
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: but they're going in on forty one year old Aaron Rodgers,

738
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: who still has something. The biggest detriment to Aaron Rodgers

739
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: game right now versus who Aaron Rodgers used to be

740
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: is his mobility. And he was behind a bad offensive

741
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: line last year in New York and that was a

742
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: contributing factor. And also he's got his own he's got

743
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: his own baggage that he comes with on and off

744
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: the field, specifically as to who he'll favor as far

745
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: as his targets and who he'll try to get you

746
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: to acquire if he doesn't like who you've already acquired,

747
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 4: which is also an interesting component to this. But it's

748
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: because like they they don't make moves like trading for

749
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey, who's still a good player, right but Mega

750
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: Fitzpatrick is also a good player. So if it's if

751
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 4: it's a push as far as what they gain versus

752
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: what they lose in this trade with Miami.

753
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 5: And they also pick up a tight end in John U.

754
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 4: Smith, who Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator there is familiar

755
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: with that.

756
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: Could be of benefit.

757
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: And you look at the Steelers tight end depth chart

758
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: and you think, okay, Darryl Daryl Washington and out of

759
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: Georgia a couple of or is it Darnell or Daryl Washington?

760
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly, Darnell Darnell, thank you. Darnell Washington

761
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: out of Georgia a couple of years ago, one of

762
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: the physically freakiest athletes you've ever seen. And Pat Fryarmouth

763
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: who's going to be their obvious tight end one, and

764
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: John who's an interesting move tight end type of piece.

765
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: And then I kind of look around and say, well

766
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 4: that that would be a fun schematic thing for Arthur

767
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: Smith to work with if Aaron Rodgers was willing to

768
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: go along.

769
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 5: With Arthur Smith's scheme.

770
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: Like, there's just they have created here more questions from

771
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: my standpoint than answers, which is why I think people

772
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 4: are are either interested or confused by what the Pittsburgh

773
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: Steelers are doing, and then it leads you down the

774
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: rabbit hole of the hot take.

775
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going to create an imaginary scenario.

776
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 5: Follow me. Okay, have a choice. But we're here now,

777
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 5: that's right.

778
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Buck Rising and I are cogms of our new team,

779
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: the Indiana Risings. All right, it's a I put them

780
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: in Indiana just for the Indiana Risings.

781
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: They play like, I.

782
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Don't know, in the middle of nowhere, Indiana, very small stadium,

783
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: not a great team.

784
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: Paints basically the entire state.

785
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, so it's not in Indianapolis, but you know,

786
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: it's the Indiana Risings.

787
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna paint paint the scenario. Okay, fully round, yeah,

788
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: fort Wayne good, Yeah, that's good. Col fort Wayne Risings.

789
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: We look around at our roster and we say, okay,

790
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: we've looked around to the roster.

791
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: We got some good pieces on defense. We feel pretty

792
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: good about where we are. We've got a really.

793
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: Good pass rusher wants to get paid, but I'm not

794
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: sure what we can do on that right now. We're

795
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: under contracts, so we're not gonna worry too much about that.

796
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: We feel good about where things are overall. But man,

797
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: we don't have a quarterback. We know we don't have

798
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Okay, well, what are we gonna do? I mean,

799
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: there's no real option. We couldn't draft one. We didn't

800
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: like any of them in the draft, so none of

801
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: them were worth mortgaging a draft pickover. And the free

802
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: agent pool is pretty minimal. But there's this one guy

803
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: over here that might be pretty good. We can do

804
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: them for a one year deal. If he's got anything

805
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: left in the tank, then we can get something out

806
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: of him for fortyeen million dollars, right Like, if there's

807
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: nothing left in the tank, it's a one year deal,

808
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: doesn't cost us anything. Okay, we're also going to acquire

809
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: this tight end that this tight end that you know,

810
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: we know, but it may or may not have been

811
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: a one year wonder last year based on the production

812
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: compared to other years of his career.

813
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: And to do that, it's a pick.

814
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: Swap of a seventh and a fifth round pick, like

815
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: they We're not talking about a lot there.

816
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I feel pretty good about that.

817
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: As you go up and down the list, I think

818
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: if you take the Steeler's brand off of it, if

819
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: you make them the Indiana Risings, what we see is

820
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh just looked around and said, Okay, there are

821
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: no options right now that truly go all in for

822
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: the future that fix our problems. And we don't want

823
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: to just walk into this season and suck, So why

824
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: not at least roll the dice on a couple of

825
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: things and see if it can make us more competitive

826
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: this year while we continue how to.

827
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: Try and figure out how to fix our long term problems.

828
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Like that, to me is the most reasonable explanation of

829
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: what the Steelers are doing.

830
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: But that's not a roll of the dice organization.

831
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 4: That's a very thoughtful planned out And to your point

832
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: about taking the brand off of it's That's the thing

833
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: that I'm having the most difficulty overcoming is that this

834
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: is not what I have come to know as the

835
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers in the way that they go about doing

836
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: their business. It also makes me wonder, Fitzi, and you

837
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: can tell me if I'm unfair about this, but it

838
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: also makes me wonder about the future of Mike Tomlin

839
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: that that's not an organization that makes rass decisions. They

840
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: are going to be They are going to try and

841
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: be as competitive as humanly possible, and they've probably identified

842
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: a window where they're gonna have some limitations, but that's

843
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: not going to keep them from being outright competitive, right,

844
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 4: they're not going to NFL organizations don't tank, and when

845
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: they try to, like the Dolphins did, they get fined

846
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: and they lose first round draft picks over it. Like

847
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: there are things to keep teams from doing this blatantly,

848
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 4: and I don't think the Pittsburgh Steelers would ever, It's

849
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: not in their DNA. The fan base would riot if

850
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: they thought that there was anything close to that. But

851
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: the fan base is always also pretty agitated about the

852
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin situation. It's how long has it been since

853
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers under Mike Tomlin won a playoff game.

854
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: A very long time. Eight years.

855
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: Eight years is how long.

856
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: It has been since the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Pittsburgh Steelers

857
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: a championship caliber organization. They think you're in and year out,

858
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: but more often than not, has not won a playoff

859
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: game in eight years. They get in there, they get

860
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: into the wild card, they got dusted by the Chiefs

861
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 4: or whichever wild card opponent that they face, whichever higher seed,

862
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: and then Steelers fans go back to the drawing board

863
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: and be like, all right, how are we going to

864
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: break through this Tom Brady ceiling or this Patrick Mahomes ceiling,

865
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: whichever fire breathing dragon at that particular point in time

866
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 4: exists in the AFC, where now two of them exist

867
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 4: in their very own division in Cleveland, just because they're

868
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: you know, they're the Dunce cap of the AFC North.

869
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: They can't figure it out. But you still have to

870
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: figure out a way not just around Patrick Mahomes or

871
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, but around Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, which

872
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: is a difficult enough thing, and they're doing it well

873
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 4: enough to get by the Bengals right. The Bengals nuked

874
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 4: themselves because their defense was terrible last year, even though

875
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: Burrow and Chase arguably both playing at MVP caliber levels.

876
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: I just I don't know how you feel it about

877
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: it as a fan, and we could only the Steelers

878
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: fans could be the only ones to answer this. If

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Speaker 4: your team is doing enough to be competitive, but it's

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Speaker 4: just competitive enough, right, It's not meaningfully competitive, Like, I

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Speaker 4: don't think nobody. Are you looking at the Steelers with

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, yes or no? As a Super Bowl contender

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. No, No, I think most people

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Speaker 4: would probably take that tech. But they are going to

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Speaker 4: be competitive enough, one would think to mess around and

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Speaker 4: win eight, potentially nine games if they surprise us ten,

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Speaker 4: that's not good enough. That's just going to keep you

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Speaker 4: in this weird purgatory that they've been existing in for

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Speaker 4: the last eight years. And I'm not saying that the

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers should either blow it up or go all in,

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Speaker 4: but I just it's neither of those things, and I

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Speaker 4: could argue that that's worse.

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Speaker 3: I there's a lot on this, There's a lot on this.

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Speaker 5: Well, we have forty five more minutes. You don't have

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Speaker 5: to do it all.

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Speaker 3: Now, You're right, I'll never say there. Look, I'll say this.

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Speaker 3: I believe that this is going to go off the rails.

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Speaker 3: You and I have talked about this. I believe the

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Speaker 3: Steelers are going to have a tough season. You and

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Speaker 3: I have talked about this.

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Speaker 2: I believe that that is going to lead to the

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Speaker 2: separation of Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers at the

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Speaker 2: end of the season. And I also believe that is

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Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible thing to do. And I'll tell everybody

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Speaker 2: why after we take a break.

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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason fitz We're sitting in on two pros and

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Speaker 2: a cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.