WEBVTT - Dana Milbank & Julia Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and Trump accidentally helped Democrats get some

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<v Speaker 1>key judicial nominees approved by taking Republicans to watch this

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX launch. Thank God. How presidential, very modern day presidential.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a great show for you today. The Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post Dana Milbank stops by to talk to us about

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's nominations and what they're signaling for our dismal

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<v Speaker 1>political future. Then we'll talk to Russian media monitor Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Davis about how Russia is delighting in Trump's recent moves.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Somali a lot of fun news today, as I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be very shocked, mister Trump is only nominating the

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<v Speaker 2>best people. And we have wrestling magnate Linda McMahon as

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Education. You might be wondering what she has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with education, as I was until I read

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<v Speaker 2>this article.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda McMahon I actually know from my misspent youth, because

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<v Speaker 1>she did try once to run for Senate in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>It was universally hilarious until she dropped out. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out Linda McMahon. Trump wants to close

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Education. So Linda wanted to be Commerce Secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the co chair of Trump's transition team. She

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a ton of money, and she thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be Commerce Secretary. Now what happened was

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<v Speaker 1>this guy called Howard Lutnek, who also was co leading

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<v Speaker 1>the transition team with her, ended up getting Commerce Secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>And that meant that Linda had nothing to get. And

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<v Speaker 1>since Donald Trump feels he's going to close this Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Education anyway, he figured he'd just put her there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to realize is like in the last

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<v Speaker 1>Trump admin, Trump actually put someone in there who was

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<v Speaker 1>not without her problems, but who was actually interested in education,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a pedigree. Right had done some education stuff, was

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<v Speaker 1>from a family they were Some of their education ideas

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<v Speaker 1>might have been a little screwy, but she actually did

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<v Speaker 1>work in education. This time, there's no pretense. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>got a donor needs a job. Let's figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she is now going to be heading the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Education. This is a little ironic because in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, when she ran for Senate in Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>she had stated that she had a bachelor's degree in education.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you would get that, But in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>she had earned a degree in French and a teaching

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<v Speaker 1>certificate from East Carolina University, and that is not the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. And during her brief tenure on the Connecticut

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<v Speaker 1>State Board of Education the error was made public. It

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<v Speaker 1>became an issue during her twenty ten campaign for US Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>She decided to step down from that board because of

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<v Speaker 1>legislative limits on her political fundraising that could hurt her

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<v Speaker 1>campaign goals. The point here is that she lied about

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<v Speaker 1>her education and then tried to run for her senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Then now she is leading the Department of Education, which

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<v Speaker 1>is so very perfectly trumpy. I am not even a

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<v Speaker 1>little surprised. Are you surprised, Jesse?

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<v Speaker 2>I sure not.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little shocked this morning where I saw

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<v Speaker 2>some news as I also learned I shocked some listeners

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday because I got a text in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>about our episode that said, why the fuck did you

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<v Speaker 2>randomly say hot tub crime machine in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rick Wilson segment. I said, that is a callback

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<v Speaker 2>to what you me and Rick used to do. The

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<v Speaker 2>New Abnormal as we would call Matthew.

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<v Speaker 1>Whittaker hot tub crime machine.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>He has other nicknames. There's a nickname he gets called

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but hot tub crime machine is because Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Whittaker has been involved in all sorts of gadgy small businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>including toilets for well and down men, hot tubs. He

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in some kind of time machine situation, right

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<v Speaker 1>am I remembering season one of this fiasco correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>The point what we could say is when you read

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<v Speaker 2>his dossier of weird fuckery, you literally feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>may have been slipped at acid tap.

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<v Speaker 1>So, needless to say, he has a job in this

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<v Speaker 1>advent because Trump only knows a few people.

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<v Speaker 2>But only the best people, right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of these cabinet picks are people you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>on television.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a qualification that Trump likes. Big goomba energy

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<v Speaker 2>is what I like to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say that because I'm Jewish and that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a slur.

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<v Speaker 2>I come from the part of New Jersey where that's

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<v Speaker 2>just coming.

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<v Speaker 1>You can say it because you're Italian? Are you Italian?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that's not true. You can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Sopranos was filmed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can say it just he's getting canceled. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he adds actually served three months as the nation's top

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement official after Jefferson Beauregard session step down for

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<v Speaker 1>allowing Trump to be investigation. Did you remember Jefferson Beauregard

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<v Speaker 1>Sessions the craziest attorney general we ever thought Trump could

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<v Speaker 1>appoint before Matt Gates. Whittaker does not bring any so

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be I just want to point out

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be the ambassador to the North American

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty Organization NATO, something that Trump has liked. The Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Education mused about shutting down so you could tell

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<v Speaker 1>how important this job is to Trump. Mister Whitterker does

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<v Speaker 1>not bring any foreign policy experience to a job that

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<v Speaker 1>may serve as the focal point for mister Trump's complaints

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<v Speaker 1>about how much the United States pay is to help

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<v Speaker 1>NATO keep Europe secure. And this is like a gift

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<v Speaker 1>to Vladimir Putin, right, Like, let's put one of our

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<v Speaker 1>guys in there who doesn't know anything and isn't super

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<v Speaker 1>interested in it. He is known for his personal loyalty

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<v Speaker 1>and willing to defend mister Trump during his first administration.

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<v Speaker 1>He is likely to bring a similar approach to his

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<v Speaker 1>ambassadorship doing something he knows nothing about.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want the record to show that I have

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<v Speaker 2>looked up at Goomba's a sawyer and it actually means friend.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Yes, I'll let you. Just just let the

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<v Speaker 1>record show only cancel Jesse for this, Okay. Mister Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has repeatedly voiced skepticism about the alliance. He has long

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<v Speaker 1>threwn to a draw from it, and now hot tub

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<v Speaker 1>crime machine will run it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, on to a last bit of a fucker in

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<v Speaker 2>the section. House speaker Mike Johnson has waited on the

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<v Speaker 2>use of bathrooms in the Capitol Complex. What are you

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<v Speaker 2>seeing here?

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<v Speaker 1>So Nancy Mays, in her long quest to become Marjorie

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Green has his bathroom bell, Mike Johnson. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bathroom bell targeted at the new member from Delaware.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to make it so she can't use the

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom because because Sarah McBride is traned. Now, Mike Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>has a problem here, right, which is he is leading

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<v Speaker 1>a group that is you know, really delights in hurting

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<v Speaker 1>trans people. But he is at least theoretically a very

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<v Speaker 1>serious religious person. So he does not know how he

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<v Speaker 1>should he be horrible to the trans woman because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the base likes, or should he try to operate

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in his principles. So he's gone back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth. So first he said that he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>make everyone comfortable, and later he said he had to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and be a little meaner because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the base wants. So he said, all single sex facilities

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<v Speaker 1>in the Capitol and office building are reserved only for

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<v Speaker 1>individuals of that biological sex. And he then went on

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<v Speaker 1>and on. He even said, you know, women can only

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<v Speaker 1>be women, men can only be men. It was more

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and he also said, like all it's enforceable.

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<v Speaker 1>We have single sets facilities where reason women's deserve women's

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<v Speaker 1>only spaces. We're not anti anyone, we're pro woman. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really true. They're really not. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's one thing they're not, it's pro women. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's important policy for us to continue. It always

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<v Speaker 1>has been, I guess, an unwritten policy, and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>in writing. He added again, Yeah, it's hard to be

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<v Speaker 1>both very religious and believe that you're there to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of others and also be run by a troll.

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<v Speaker 1>But here we are Speaker Mike Johnson again trying to

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<v Speaker 1>thread the needle between religion and cruelty.

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<v Speaker 2>SAMAI I said that that was one last piece of fuckery,

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<v Speaker 2>but but it's not. I did realize there's something we

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<v Speaker 2>have to address here, which is that right now we

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<v Speaker 2>are in these big, big standoff. There's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>journalists right outside the ass Ethics can be while they're

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<v Speaker 2>weighing whether to release this report on nominated ag Matt cats.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that we were reminded of is

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<v Speaker 2>at our time with The Daily Beast, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>very big scoop about all the Venmo payments he made

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<v Speaker 2>to these possibly underage women, and there's some more details

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<v Speaker 2>about that here. What are you seeing here?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Venmo gate? So it's Gatesgate. So remember Gates resigned

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<v Speaker 1>last week to avoid this Ethics Committee report from being published.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ethics Committee. I just want to point this out.

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<v Speaker 1>The House Ethics Committee is known to be particularly toothless.

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<v Speaker 1>So this whole thing becoming such a big deal shows

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<v Speaker 1>just what a big problem Matt Gates has. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>have these Venmo payments. Okay, the House Ethics I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is the drip to a drip of

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<v Speaker 1>the House Ethics stuff coming out. But remember the lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>is speaking to the press. Some of the witnesses are

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<v Speaker 1>speaking the press. The House Ethics Committee obtained records, including

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<v Speaker 1>a check and the records of VENMO payments. Remember, Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Gates's VENMO had been accidentally not private. He had accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>people could have could see it paid more than ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars to two women who were later witnesses in

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<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct probes conducted by the House and the Justice Department.

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<v Speaker 1>According to documents obtained by ABC News, the VENMO records

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<v Speaker 1>showed that between July twenty seventeen and January twenty nineteen, Gates,

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<v Speaker 1>who was first elected in twenty sixteen, allegedly made twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven VEMO payments totaling ten thousand, two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four dollars and two cents to the two witnesses who

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<v Speaker 1>were over the age of eighteen at the time. Good

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<v Speaker 1>for them for being over eighteen. They are the very

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<v Speaker 1>few people in the story who are over eighteen. The payments,

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<v Speaker 1>which sources said were displayed during closed door testimony ranged

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<v Speaker 1>from one hundred to more than seven hundred dollars each.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not what you want in an attorney's general, but

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<v Speaker 1>we shall have to watch this play out. The Milbank

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<v Speaker 1>is a columnist at The Washington Post and the author

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<v Speaker 1>of Pools on the Hill, The Hooligans, Saboteurs, conspiracy theorists,

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<v Speaker 1>and dunces who burned down the House. Welcome back, my

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<v Speaker 1>friend here to keep me from completely falling apart? Data

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<v Speaker 1>mail Bank.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Molly, if I'm the one who's will keep you

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<v Speaker 3>from falling apart, you're in big trouble because I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just picking up the pieces over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you emailed me like what are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? And I was like, I saw the email

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<v Speaker 1>and I was seized with panic. And then I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we are just so incredibly down the fucking rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to Can we talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about the uh, the geniuses who are running and now

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<v Speaker 1>we will again run the United States Congress? Please?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed, I'd love to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That, because you have a book about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do a book about that, which you were kind

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<v Speaker 3>enough to mention on this this very podcast. And they

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<v Speaker 3>did such a fabulous job time that they've been returned

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<v Speaker 3>with it even it looks like maybe even a smaller majority. Yes, certainly,

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<v Speaker 3>no better than the last time. So if you thought

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<v Speaker 3>the last one was a disaster, wait till this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready. I want to talk about the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Congress and the House of Representatives because they were so

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<v Speaker 1>bad in this last two year period. They won the

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<v Speaker 1>majority quote unquote by you know whatever two or three seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they fired their speaker because Matt Gates got into

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<v Speaker 1>a fight with him, and then they were almost unable

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<v Speaker 1>to pass anything even like postal office namings. This time discuss.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this time we don't have Matt Gates to kick

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<v Speaker 3>around because he made me the Attorney General of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we laugh to keep from crying.

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<v Speaker 3>Continue, I guess so and then, and what are we

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<v Speaker 3>going to do? Well, Nancy Mace is already moving to

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<v Speaker 3>ban the first ever trans member of Congress from going

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<v Speaker 3>to the bathroom. So you know that that is exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what the voters were asking this Congress to do. They said,

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<v Speaker 3>we're suffering from inflation in the border, but yep, don't

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<v Speaker 3>let any trans person in Congress, p.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever use a bathroom. Yeah. One of the things with

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Mace is she's such a great example of what

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<v Speaker 1>MAGA does when Maga gets the chance. Like, here's someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was in a much more mixed district, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she got redistricted, and so she decided she no

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<v Speaker 1>longer believed in any of the more normal values that

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<v Speaker 1>she had.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's pretty similar to the Aleast Stephanic route.

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<v Speaker 3>Also now going to be a member of the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>But least Ivonna got one of those jobs that women

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<v Speaker 1>get in the Trump administration. You know, you can have

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<v Speaker 1>that because he really wants to end the un anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And that's exactly And Linda McMahon's the other great

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<v Speaker 3>example of that. You know, who knows you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, professional wrestling definitely teaches you how to run

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<v Speaker 3>the education system in the United States. But of course

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<v Speaker 3>Trump wants to abolish that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sue anyway, right. I mean that's the thing is, like

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<v Speaker 1>you are allowed to lead a department that Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>already said he wants.

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<v Speaker 3>Gone, right, so you're you're in charge of turning out

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<v Speaker 3>the lights I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, does that mean he keeps it going

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<v Speaker 1>now because he wants Linda to have something to do

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<v Speaker 1>because she did run transition.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he keeps it going because he won't have the

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<v Speaker 3>votes to shut it down, you know, And I wonder,

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<v Speaker 3>Molly about all of these things about I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, reading the personnel announcement, it's like onion headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just, you know, it's too insane to

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<v Speaker 3>be believed with hag Seth and Gates and all the others.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wonder how much of this is to just

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<v Speaker 3>give the app hearans that he's going to go mad

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<v Speaker 3>and shake everything up and then but we don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what he's actually going to do. I mean, you got

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<v Speaker 3>to assume it's at least a possibility. He starts a

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<v Speaker 3>trade war, he surrenders Ukraine, China goes after Taiwan. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're off to the races here. But you know, last

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<v Speaker 3>time he didn't do as many crazy things as it

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<v Speaker 3>seemed he might. Now, I don't want to say he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be normal. I'm not doing the whole He's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be moderate things that ship has already sailed,

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<v Speaker 3>But the actual level of disruption is tbd.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, well, one of the things that really worked

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<v Speaker 1>for his favor when he ran for office was he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to say, well, you know, I said all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, but I didn't do it because Democrats prevented

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<v Speaker 1>him from doing a lot of it. That is not

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<v Speaker 1>the makeup anymore. Right, you know, he controls the House,

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<v Speaker 1>not by a huge majority. He has there's a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell is not in charge anymore. He really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get what's his name, the guy that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the president from Mars attacks in there. He was unable

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<v Speaker 1>the floor Rick Scott, Yes, Scott, Yes, Rick Scott. You

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<v Speaker 1>know he has Thune who is not quite as much

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<v Speaker 1>of a lackey. Though. We'll see what happens. Hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that anyone fails his plans. But again, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the thing when he was running for office, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and voters would say, well, we don't believe he's actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to do any of that stuff, right, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I'm of two minds on this one. Is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because they have the trifecta of power that they can

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<v Speaker 3>do all of these truly alarming things that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like the House Republicans did try to do last time,

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<v Speaker 3>and say, well, you know, Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>are bottling it up, whether that's going to be restoring

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<v Speaker 3>the Confederate names or banning the abortion pillar, whatever else.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's no excuse now. So I mean, I'm worried

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<v Speaker 3>and alarmed about the potential damage they can do now,

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<v Speaker 3>but there is part of me that says, have at it, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>now you've got no excuse. Let's see what your actual

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<v Speaker 3>agenda is. Because there is nobody to them other than themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think people will probably quickly see that they

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<v Speaker 3>can't actually govern in this Congress. You know, like this

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<v Speaker 3>this House is not going to line up and walk

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<v Speaker 3>the plank on a vote after vote, but they're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be able to blame the Democrats this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you harken back to last season of

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<v Speaker 1>Congress doesn't do anything. We saw the House really deadlocked

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<v Speaker 1>and basically they needed Democrats to pass anything they could pass.

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<v Speaker 3>That's absolutely right. But then they could turn around and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know it's the Senate that's democratic control, or you know,

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you know Biden will veto something. But those excuses are

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<v Speaker 3>all gone now. So it's just like, if they can't

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<v Speaker 3>do something, it's the Republicans, who can't do something, And

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<v Speaker 3>of course they're not going to be able to do

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the crazier things, unless, of course, that

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<v Speaker 3>they succeed in getting them to walk the plank, and

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<v Speaker 3>then this little fun experiment ends very badly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean, one of the things that I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about is camps.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump wants camps, and Steven Miller wants to give

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<v Speaker 1>him camps. Right, wants to deport seven trillion immigrants and

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<v Speaker 1>ten zillion billion children and families and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things when you think about this idea,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to think about, like, where are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to build the camps, who's going to staff the camps?

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<v Speaker 1>How's this going to work? And the big problem with

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<v Speaker 1>deporting millions and millions of people, besides the ethical considerations

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<v Speaker 1>of deporting people who are here legally okay, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you're going to have a lot of trouble

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<v Speaker 1>getting a country to go along with us, is that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have the money to pay for it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Congress wouldn't give them money for border security, So

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<v Speaker 1>how are they going to get money to deport millions

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<v Speaker 1>and trillions and zillions of people?

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Well, and this was the point with border security

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<v Speaker 3>during the Biden administration when they looked at the whole

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<v Speaker 3>list of things that Trump said, you're not continuing my

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<v Speaker 3>tough on the border policies. Well, that's because many of

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<v Speaker 3>them were unfunded in the first place, and they had

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<v Speaker 3>no choice, or the courts had blocked them and they

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<v Speaker 3>had no choice. So yeah, so the border policy is

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<v Speaker 3>about to run smack dab into reality. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's so hard to imagine the camps being built federal land.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they on state land? Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>National parks?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is going to staff them? The National Guard? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like you really are down a rabbit hole here.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and there of course there's no actual plan. There's

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<v Speaker 3>probably not even in the concept of a plan here,

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<v Speaker 3>and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, we love a concept of a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to solve the housing crisis by kicking out

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<v Speaker 3>illegal immigrants as if they're the source of the housing crisis,

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<v Speaker 3>when in fact they're disproportionately the ones building the house

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<v Speaker 3>that we need, you know, in the same thing with

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<v Speaker 3>agriculture workers and everything else. And then how do you

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<v Speaker 3>get the states to cooperate with all of these things?

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<v Speaker 3>So it all sounded good, But this is one of

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<v Speaker 3>those areas where I suspect this, you know, the outrageous

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.800
<v Speaker 3>rhetoric is going to run into reality. And yeah, he'll

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<v Speaker 3>make a show of something, but I mean, we all

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<v Speaker 3>know he's not deporting. What did he say, twenty million people?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty million people. It's problematic because there if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to like technically look at this, it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and many of them are actually not even the

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<v Speaker 1>math is not math. But the good news about math

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<v Speaker 1>is that the government efficiency agency named DOGE, which is

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<v Speaker 1>run by the richest man in the world who got

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<v Speaker 1>rich off government subsidies. The irony here is pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>rich and another guy who is basically a miniatureum but

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<v Speaker 1>from Ohio. Those two are going to cut our shumongos.

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<v Speaker 3>Dad discuss yes, no, and they've already got brilliant plans underway.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Ramaswami's idea was to cut everything that is not currently authorized,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the not renewed. So oh, sorry, veterans,

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<v Speaker 3>you've just lost your healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>They're super psyched about that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's right, that's perfect. And then Elon must said, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to cut two trillion dollars. But Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>already you know, off limits is social Security and Medicare. Defense,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do anything about, you know, payments on the debt.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're down to about let pocket of what is it,

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<v Speaker 3>forty percent discretionary spending or maybe twenty percent, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're not including non defense discretionary spending. So you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to cut two trillion out of that. But guess

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<v Speaker 3>what that is? About two trillion? So if you were

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<v Speaker 3>down to the point where you are going to stop

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<v Speaker 3>every single function that government does, you know, whether that's

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<v Speaker 3>food safety or TSA or the FBI or everything else

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<v Speaker 3>the government does. So we'll just say goodbye to that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's another place where I'll be I'll be very

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<v Speaker 3>interested to see how they follow through on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to go back and explain to our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners because you did it as a drive by, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really important, this idea of not funding

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<v Speaker 1>programs that Congress hasn't approved. Those programs are not fungible.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's two categories. Well, you know, some are the

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<v Speaker 3>entitlement categories, you know, which which you can't touch at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but some are I guess in theory. Ones that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you could touch. But a lot of government runs on autopilot,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, they're not renewed when they're supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 3>but by general consent, they just keep getting funded anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I mean, I guess Congress could intervene

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side to stop that from happening, but

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't done that either. So I don't know. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about half a trillion dollars here, but including as mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>what is it. You know, it's one hundred something billion

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<v Speaker 3>for veterans healthcare, and it's not like because it's not

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<v Speaker 3>currently authorized or whatever the proper word is, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean that the Congress actually does not want to give

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<v Speaker 3>healthcare to.

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<v Speaker 1>Veterans, right, I mean, I feel like healthcare to veterans

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to be a popular thing.

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<v Speaker 3>To cut, No, but it has always been the case that, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're going to get the budget under control and

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<v Speaker 3>start making a dent in the debt, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>do something about the things that are driving that, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is primarily entitlement. So I mean, if you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to touch Medicare and Social Security, whether that's with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, higher taxes for wealthier earners, or extending the

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<v Speaker 3>retirement aage. I mean, none of it's terribly popular, but

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 3>that's really the only way to fix the problem. And

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<v Speaker 3>or increasing revenues through taxes, well, that's off the table.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know, then the huge chunk of the

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<v Speaker 3>budget that is a defense, Well, okay, if that's off

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<v Speaker 3>the table, you know, and we did get down to

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<v Speaker 3>this happened in the last Congress. You know, they looked

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<v Speaker 3>at the you know, all of the House Republican commitments

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<v Speaker 3>on this, and that's where I got that bit about

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<v Speaker 3>they literally have to eliminate everything the government does outside

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<v Speaker 3>of entitlements and.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense and paying off the debt.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's not that's not an option. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess anything's an option. Now, we could go into we

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<v Speaker 3>could go into default on the dest.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that Trump has in his own personal life

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<v Speaker 1>gone into default on debt. Not to get too dumroush here.

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<v Speaker 3>And we had this fight during the last Congress, and

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<v Speaker 3>you did have a significant chunk of the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the MAGA Republicans saying that, well, this debt limit, it's

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 3>not you know, we can we can blow through it.

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 3>It's not a real thing. We can prioritize debt and

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<v Speaker 3>pay the debts we want to pay off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and who knows, it's never happened before. Maybe they could

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 3>get away with it. But also, you know, maybe that

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 3>destroys the dollar as the world's reserve currency and throw

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<v Speaker 3>it in the deepest depression we've ever seen. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's roll the dice, right, delights Russia, Good for Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if anyone is winning here, it's Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, well, or China it could be it could be

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<v Speaker 3>close on that school, right, It's true, Right, they're doing well.

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 3>And of course Bobe's done exceptionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, BB, it's it's been great for Babe.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh heck, it's been good for urban. This has been

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<v Speaker 3>good for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Molly, right, exactly, Thank you for orbon BB, all of

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<v Speaker 1>arcs around the world. Space travel, can we just talk

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>about I don't want people. I know there are people

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 1>still listening to this podcast as I decompensate rapidly, But

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I do think it has been strangely these rich people,

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<v Speaker 1>while wanting to kill us all, are really into space travel.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's true, that's not That's not an area of

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<v Speaker 3>complaint that I have I'm sorry that all the money

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 3>is going to Elon Musk, but sure, I'd love to

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 3>see somebody on Mars. I mean, it is funny the

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 3>way we're sort of bargaining with ourselves and that's not

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<v Speaker 3>so bad, and then we're thinking like, well, actually there

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>are some intro maybe maybe we don't need fluoride in

0:25:55.680 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 3>the water. It's some of the things RFK says that crazy,

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, like, yeah, yeah, it's be good to limit

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 3>pharma and have healthier food. Right, We're all sort of

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 3>bargaining here to say, oh, it won't be that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also like, this is the thing about authoritarianism, right,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>because that's what this is. I mean, maybe the maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some of the systems hold and we don't completely become

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<v Speaker 1>Russia and we are able to keep this. But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, right, there are no choices here.

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<v Speaker 3>There are no choices.

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>There are no choices. Right, this is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean we strap in and enjoy the ride.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the only other option, as I was writing about,

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, just sort of retreating and ignoring it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, tell us what you're writing about this week in

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 3>Right before we came on. I was saying, I am

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<v Speaker 3>spending this week writing about my adventures on this tractor

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 3>I just bought out on the farm. In the many

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 3>ways it is conspiring to kill me because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm doing with it. So yeah, I'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to be just spending my days not reading the news.

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading scandalously little now I'm watching zero in just

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 3>sort of wishing it away. But you know, I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>this to be saying, you know, we can't retreat. You

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 3>have to engage, you know. I mean, look, if you know,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 3>if they send us to the Gulag, I look forward

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 3>to bunking with you or something. But until that happens,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we have to engage and do our best

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<v Speaker 3>in this. But you also need to pace yourself and

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<v Speaker 3>breathe a little bit, and you know, yeah, it is happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and we got to do what we can to fight

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<v Speaker 3>the worst excesses of it. But also know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we also have our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to protect norms and institutions, and that's in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind.

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Got to protect those things. And you've got to protect

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<v Speaker 3>the norms in your own life and not decompensate, as

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 3>you put.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and that's why I think that you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to do this and until we get sent

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<v Speaker 1>away to the camps. But I do think people it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to take the next until January. He's not in

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<v Speaker 1>office until January, so none of this is happening until January.

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<v Speaker 1>So we should all ride tractors, read Joan Didion, and we.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Have sixty days to breathe and to.

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Breathe, and so we should enjoy those sixty days of

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<v Speaker 1>tractor writing and reading Joe Didion.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. That's the best we can come up with,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm taking it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Dana Mobank.

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<v Speaker 3>Molly, It's always a delight.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Davis is the creator of Russian Media Monitor, a

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<v Speaker 1>columnist for The Daily Beast, and the author of, in

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<v Speaker 1>their own words, Welcome to Fast Politics Kennel, where dogs

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<v Speaker 1>bark and we talk about politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Julia Davis, Hi, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and I know each other for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do a thing that you do. You watch

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<v Speaker 1>Russian television.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and analyze it because it's remarkably informative as to

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<v Speaker 4>put In splints.

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<v Speaker 1>And one might even say prescient. Often Putin's plans and

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<v Speaker 1>the newly re elected president of the United States. Plans

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<v Speaker 1>dovetail together. So here is the scariest sentence I will

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<v Speaker 1>say today, Hopefully, what does Putin have planned?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually, it's remarkably similar to what they have been

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<v Speaker 4>discussing for years. The only thing that is different is

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 4>that the Trump's reelection happened later than they have hoped.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 4>But they have been talking about this for years, and

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 4>unfortunately it's shaping up exactly as what they have hoped.

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 4>They have always said that everything depends on Trump being

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<v Speaker 4>in power, because they know he will give them Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>and then they can keep moving forward with the rest

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 4>of their plans. But also another important part of that

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 4>is they believe that Trump is a destroyer of America,

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<v Speaker 4>and in his second term he would be totally unhinged.

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<v Speaker 4>He would be unchained, there would be no guardrails, no

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<v Speaker 4>adults in the room, and he would get to destroying America,

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<v Speaker 4>which would then become a regional player that is totally

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<v Speaker 4>embroiled in its internal affairs, and it would also be

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<v Speaker 4>quiet authoritarian, so he wouldn't have to care how much

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 4>of the population agrees with his chosen course of action,

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<v Speaker 4>So he would become very much like Putin in that

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<v Speaker 4>and America would start to resemble Russia, with a circle

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<v Speaker 4>of billionaires controlling poligarchy exactly controlling everything. And the rich

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<v Speaker 4>people that agree to fall in line would also be

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<v Speaker 4>fine and be able to enrich themselves. The rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the population would be too impoverished to have any ability

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<v Speaker 4>to fight back, and protests would be outlawed. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump already said he would use the military to stop

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<v Speaker 4>any protests. And unfortunately, based on everything we're seeing, based

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<v Speaker 4>on what Trump himself has been saying, and the team

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 4>that he has chosen, everything points to that dark future

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 4>looming on the horizon, and that is exactly what Russia wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>They also predicted the West would blink first and not

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<v Speaker 4>go all the way to support Ukraine, go only as

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<v Speaker 4>far as it takes to keep the war going, but

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<v Speaker 4>not really to damage Russia severely. Unfortunately, these approvals to

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 4>use long range missiles are too late. Unfortunately, there's not

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<v Speaker 4>much time left. And what I'm hearing on Russian state

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<v Speaker 4>television right now is that Russia is un likely to

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<v Speaker 4>retaliate in any big way against the United States or

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<v Speaker 4>the West because they know Trump will give them exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what they want, so it'll be worth it for them

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<v Speaker 4>to just hold out for that. And they just released

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<v Speaker 4>the Tass, which is one of their biggest newspapers. They

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<v Speaker 4>just released an article where an unnamed member of Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>transition team told them that Trump would be willing to

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<v Speaker 4>lift all sanctions, resume normal relations with Russia, all trade,

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 4>all economic relations. Then the next day Putin says, well,

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<v Speaker 4>he's ready to negotiate. It all seems like it's falling

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 4>into place where Putin will be rewarded for his aggression

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 4>and will get to keep portions of Ukraine that they

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<v Speaker 4>managed to conquer, in addition to those that they declared

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 4>as theirs but never were able to and they expect

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<v Speaker 4>Trump will be fine was letting them keep that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's really not looking good either for Ukraine or

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<v Speaker 4>for the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and also this is propaganda, right, so explain to

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>us a little bit like you are watching Russian propaganda.

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>So Russia wants Americans to think this is a feed

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to complete, but it's actually not right. So I want

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you to talk with that in mind. I want the

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<v Speaker 1>information from it, but not the gloom because I think

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that this has already happened is really the

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>most dangerous way we can think of this, because it

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>hasn't right. Donald Trump is not president yet a lot

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of things. You know, America has been this anti democratic before.

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I talk to anyone who grew up in this Jim

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Crow South version of color. You know, there's always been

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>a push pull here. And again, yes, I agree that

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<v Speaker 1>this is not this is far from my deal, but

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>we have to I think, be thoughtful about not just totally.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Like Russia had never been a democracy, they had really

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.839
<v Speaker 1>weak institutions to push back. We have again not great

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>checks and balances. Republicans are really willing to roll over,

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>but there still is a real history in this country

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing else.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and it is not a done deal. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's important for Americans to realize what the worst

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 4>case scenario is so that if we see the country

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 4>moving in that direction, we proactively do something. And I'm

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 4>observing so much resignation and despair and that's not the

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 4>time for that, because if we are resigned to it,

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 4>that's when it becomes possible for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And so talk to me though about this sort of

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is Russia telegraphing glee at the Trump election. Explain to

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>us sort of what you're seeing on Russian television.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they're absolutely thrilled with his victory and with almost

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 4>all of his picks, especially Tulsey Gabbard.

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm hoping you could talk about Tulsea Gabbert.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Sure, yes, And she has been spouting essentially the same

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 4>talking points as they have been for years. They have

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 4>been rebroadcasting her along with Stucker Carlson. She's about the

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 4>same magnitude of importance to them, and so they're absolutely

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 4>thrilled that she will now be in charge of all

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<v Speaker 4>of these intelligence agencies, and they believe she will help

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 4>dismantle or undermine them because for years they have openly

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<v Speaker 4>discussed her and described her as their girlfriend, their friend,

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 4>their agent, and they are beyond thrilled that she is

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 4>getting this position of prominence. And it's really interesting even

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 4>back in twenty two. In twenty twenty three, she was talking,

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 4>for example, about how they might cut our undersea cables

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 4>or Western undersea cables, to quote unquote retaliate against US

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 4>for helping Ukraine. And look what is happening now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can you talk to us about the Russian undersea

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 1>cables and what that's about.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 4>Yes, they are cutting internet cables at least that's what

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.919
<v Speaker 4>is being said. That it's being attributed to their sabotage,

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 4>and they have talked about it for years now. As

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 4>a matter of fact, they initially attributed this idea to

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 4>Tucker Carlson who said in twenty twenty two that what

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 4>if they do this? And their response from government officials

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 4>on their state TV was oh, what a great idea?

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 4>Why not? And then Talca Gebbert was throwing around the

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 4>same ideas as deterrent for the United States opposing Russian anyway.

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 4>So they're essentially helping them to put these threats into

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 4>American mainstream to scare people off. So that way the

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 4>average person would say, well, why would we risk this happening?

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.280
<v Speaker 4>Why not just appease Russia and mind our own business?

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 4>And that's exactly what they want.

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Right now talk to us about the missiles because Biden

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>it's very late to do this, but Biden did in

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 1>fact give Ukraine land minds at missiles. Will that shift

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>the calculus or is it too light?

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that it will, because Russia is really in

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 4>a bad state economically. They don't have enough people, which

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 4>is why they're involving North Koreans, and they've been talking

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 4>about that for a while now. They not only do

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 4>they not have enough cannon fodder at this point, but

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 4>also they don't have enough laborers to even keep making

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 4>their munitions and their weapons. They are running out of people, period,

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 4>and so that's why they are an act of desperation

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 4>turning to North Korea, which is quite humiliating for Russia.

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 4>They really are teetering, and that's what is so disheartening

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 4>is that Trump is coming here to potentially throw them

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 4>a lifeline where they are not in a good position.

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 4>They're not in a strong position right now, and I

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 4>hope Ukraine will keep hammering them and taking out their

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.879
<v Speaker 4>weapons depots and the troops and whatever else they can

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 4>because it does make a difference, and they still have

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 4>time to cause considerable damage and retaliation for Russia's invasions.

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 4>So I was certainly happy to see that this decision

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 4>was finally made.

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that Ukraine can theoretically win this in

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>such a short I mean it's still three months or

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half months.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, the best case scenario in terms of winning,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't necessarily mean a Ukrainian troops storming the Kremlin.

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<v Speaker 4>What it simply means is that Russia would withdraw from

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine the way the Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan. And

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<v Speaker 4>they could call it a victory or whatever they decide

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<v Speaker 4>to call it, but that would be a victory. If

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<v Speaker 4>they were depleted of their resources and of their human

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<v Speaker 4>resources to the point where they had no choice but

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<v Speaker 4>to withdraw, that would be a victory. And it is possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Russia really is very depleted. Explain to us sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what that looks like, because I know they've sent many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many young men to the front and many have died, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, And they have been initially promising that they would

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<v Speaker 4>only send the trained soldiers in the battle, but they

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<v Speaker 4>ended up sending just anyone they could get their hands on.

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<v Speaker 4>And the only reason they're not declaring a real mobilization

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<v Speaker 4>because even their shaky demographic have been apparently falsified, so

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<v Speaker 4>they don't even have as many people as they were

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<v Speaker 4>said to have, which is already not enough for Russia's size,

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<v Speaker 4>So they are really in a state where it's not

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<v Speaker 4>feasible for them to keep this going without outside the support,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're already talking about North Korea sending more soldiers,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's literally because they need that to keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't keep doing it on their own. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>a good thing that Ukraine's strikes with these missiles are

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<v Speaker 4>specifically targeting the places where they have the North Korean troops,

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<v Speaker 4>so hopefully deter North Korea from sending even more when

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<v Speaker 4>they see that it's to their certain death.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, So explain to us a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the other picks. So they like Tolci Gabber

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<v Speaker 1>for any number of reasons, I'm not saying it, but

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>members of Congress have said it that she is Russian asset.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I've seen at least four different Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>members of Congress say that on television. So clearly there

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<v Speaker 1>is a there is a group that believes that who

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<v Speaker 1>else are they excited about in the cabinet?

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<v Speaker 4>Certainly Musk. They're thrilled about him, and they are repeating

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<v Speaker 4>and rebroadcasting almost every statement that he makes that relates

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<v Speaker 4>to Ukraine or Russia and demeaning Ukraine and talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how Russia is in nuclear power and we should make

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<v Speaker 4>a deal with them. And yes, they certainly thrilled about

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<v Speaker 4>Musk and the other picks. They're thrilled because they are

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<v Speaker 4>inexperienced and not fit for their positions. So that's the

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<v Speaker 4>part of Trump destroying America. And they say that that

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<v Speaker 4>basically almost everyone on his team is inexperienced and unprepared

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<v Speaker 4>for what they were chosen to handle. So they like

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<v Speaker 4>that a lot. The only reservations they had were about

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<v Speaker 4>Waltz and Rubio. But after Waltz criticized the decision for

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine to be able to use American missiles for these strikes, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>they said, okay, so they too will fall in line.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're watching pretty close. Huh, very close.

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<v Speaker 4>I could see something on our television here and then

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 4>I turn on there and they're already talking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>We are like their pet cause they're obsessed with us.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have any politics in Russia, it's whatever Putin says,

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<v Speaker 4>so there's nothing to discuss about their own affairs, and

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 4>their future depends on what happens in America. So they

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<v Speaker 4>are obsessively watching and calculating their next steps.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do they think of tackle Carholson.

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<v Speaker 4>They thought that Trump would make him his press secretary

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<v Speaker 4>and they were completely thrilled about his visit to interview Putin.

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<v Speaker 4>They believe that he delivered some message, some messages between

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<v Speaker 4>Trump and Putin at that time, that he was delivering

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of back and forth messages at that time.

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<v Speaker 4>So they totally So they say yes, they say that

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen any obviously, any anything concrete, but they

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<v Speaker 4>believe that there was some exchange of messages that may

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<v Speaker 4>have taken place. And then that interview looked like it

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<v Speaker 4>was produced by North Korean producers the way it was

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<v Speaker 4>gushing over everything and didn't ask Putin almost any important questions.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things about Russian propaganda, which is

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 1>what you have to watch, is that it wants you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean again, I'm not defending chuckle crosson by any

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>certain imagination, but it wants you to think things that

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>may or may not be true, right like the Steele dossier,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's better for them. They would like the American

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>media to run with every story in order to discredit them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, they actually intermixed some truth with some fiction

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 4>and try to pass it off as a story that

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<v Speaker 4>the paints Russia as an omnipotent country that gets to

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 4>pull the strings here and there, so waiting through that

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 4>is those are murky waters, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And in fact, like what I think is so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about like if you look at a lot of

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:51.959
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that came out about Trump and Russia, some

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 1>of the bits of the Steele dossier really did undermine

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>anything else that it called into credibility other things that

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:00.800
<v Speaker 1>seemed more credible.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, It was muddy. The waters were muddy because it

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 4>was you know, it had had some things that were

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 4>based in reality and others that were not, and it

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 4>sort of discredited the whole thing. And it's certainly something

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:20.439
<v Speaker 4>that Trump and his followers have capitalized on, just trying

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 4>to discredit the whole idea that there is something under

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:25.720
<v Speaker 4>the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you see that as a way that the

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<v Speaker 1>admin the coming admin will try to get the media

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble, to flood the zone with things that may

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 1>be true, may not be true in order. I mean

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>we saw that a little bit with the first Trump admin,

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<v Speaker 1>where they'd be leaking stuff to some people that might

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<v Speaker 1>not be true or might be set up to embarrass them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think that our media is in for some

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<v Speaker 4>rocky times, and unfortunately some are starting to obey and

0:45:56.200 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 4>advance and are I'm sure are afraid of retribution, and

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 4>others will you know, they have to be emboldened by,

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, the flood of lies that got this election

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<v Speaker 4>where we have it today, and I'm sure we'll only

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 4>get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you, Julia.

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<v Speaker 4>Davis, Thank you so much, Molly always my pleasure, no.

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<v Speaker 1>More, Jesse Cannon, my John Fasts.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the things we've been talking about a

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<v Speaker 5>lot lately is the concept of obeying, an advanced concept

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<v Speaker 5>that Timothy Snyder popular arized and we as Democrats are

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<v Speaker 5>trying to not kowtow to trumpet advanced.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, they're winding up down in Texas. Is in

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party to do it? What are you see

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>in here?

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>So this is a little more complicated than that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think where we are here is just deep deep Craven

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>sucking up to Trump in the hopes of getting something

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<v Speaker 1>from him. Now the Texas Land Commissioner, that's an elected

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 1>job in Texas. Remember, Texas is in a race to

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>impress Donald Trump and get you know, whatever good is

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump can bestow on them. And remember this is

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<v Speaker 1>all oligarchy, right, This is a sort of oligarchy kind

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:19.359
<v Speaker 1>of situation, So Texas Land Commissioner Don Buckingham, showing that

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies can be just as crazy as the men

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<v Speaker 1>use of the one four hundred and two acre ranch

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<v Speaker 1>in Star County on the US Mexico border for the

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<v Speaker 1>construction of deportation facilities. Buckingham, a Republican, made the offer

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<v Speaker 1>in a letter sent to Trump on Tuesday, in which

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<v Speaker 1>she pledged to support what she has described as the

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<v Speaker 1>largest deportation of violent criminals in the nation's history. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>what's also going to be in their families? People who

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>are here legally and perhaps a journalist or too. Trump

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>made cracking down on a legal immigration a key component

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<v Speaker 1>is a successful twenty twenty four presidential campaigns began to

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<v Speaker 1>rally in October, the then Publican candidate said he won.

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>The border will be sealed, the invasion will be stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>the migrant flights will end. On Monday, Trump indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>he plans to declare a national emergency and deploy the

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>military to assist with deportation. In a post on his

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<v Speaker 1>Truth social website, It's going to get real dark, real fast.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I would like to point out that Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>in his first admin twenty sixteen, deported like about a

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 1>million people less than Obama did, and heard his first administration.

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