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Speaker 4: studio with important news today on the campaign trail. We

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Speaker 4: have new polling and new strategy to talk about with

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Speaker 4: our two tickets making their way across the country, well

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Speaker 4: at least one ticket is you've got Harris Walls on

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Speaker 4: the road show JD Vance Hot on their heels. Then

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Speaker 4: there's the news today from Ukraine and it's very important

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Speaker 4: and I'm guessing you might not hear about it anywhere else,

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Speaker 4: which is why we want to spend some time and

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Speaker 4: in fact start on this with the amount of coverage

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Speaker 4: that we've given to the war in Ukraine, the biggest

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Speaker 4: incursion now into Russian territory since Russia started its war against.

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Speaker 5: Ukraine more than two years ago.

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin confirming Ukrainian forces across the border into the

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Speaker 4: kirk region. He's making it sound like a pretty big

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Speaker 4: deal here, describing an operation as a large scale provocation,

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Speaker 4: up to three hundred Ukrainian militants, eleven tanks, more than

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Speaker 4: two hundred armored vehicles. But again that's Putin talking and

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Speaker 4: the Kremlin. Let's get to the source right now. Courtney

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Speaker 4: McBride is back with us at the table of course,

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Speaker 4: from Bloomberg's National security team here in Washington.

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Speaker 5: Courtney, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 4: What do we actually know about this cross border incursion here.

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Speaker 6: Well, thanks for having me, Joe. As you said, I mean,

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Speaker 6: this appears to be Ukraine's largest incursion into Russian territory.

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Speaker 6: There have been some drone strikes on targets, but this

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Speaker 6: is the largest operation. The Ukrainians are not officially confirming

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Speaker 6: many of the details, but as you said, Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 6: has acknowledged it. There is in fact a state of

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Speaker 6: emergency declared in the Kursk region. We're also seeing, beyond

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Speaker 6: the Russian acknowledgments of this apparent ground operation with tanks

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Speaker 4: We heard from John Kirby about this really interesting reactions.

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, well, we kind of need to talk

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Speaker 4: but was careful with the language that he used, knowing

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Speaker 4: that we have a policy that limits the use of

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Speaker 4: US made weapons against Russia. He said there have been

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Speaker 4: no change in those limits that he said are restricted

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Speaker 4: quote to target imminent threats just across the border.

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Speaker 2: Unquote.

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Speaker 5: You could describe a lot of things that way, couldn't you?

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Speaker 6: One could? I mean, we've certainly seen similar verbiage from

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Speaker 5: You wonder if we start seeing more of this now.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it remains to be seen. We'll see, you know,

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Speaker 4: You can qualify a lot of things as an imminent threat,

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Speaker 4: Some even question the role that plays in the overall

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Speaker 5: Do we have any reason to believe this has been

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Speaker 6: Not yet, but certainly the US and allies and partners

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Speaker 4: I suspect this could be at any moment thing We'll

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Speaker 4: run out in the newsroom and find you.

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Speaker 5: For years, keep us posting on what you're hearing.

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Speaker 4: One of the most informed on our national security team,

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Speaker 4: Courtney mcbrian, Thanks for coming in, Courtney.

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Speaker 4: this with the campaign trail. Of course, geopolitics part of

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Speaker 4: fluidity in the map. We talked yesterday about some moves

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Speaker 4: the Cook Political Report, and today it's the good people

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Speaker 4: at Savado's Crystal Ball, the Center for Politics, and we

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Speaker 4: attention when they start moving their ratings, and that's what's

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Speaker 8: I think that's fundamentally what's going on. I think that

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Speaker 8: There's all the states that voted for Biden by more

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Speaker 4: You upgrade Democrats chances, as I mentioned in Minnesota here,

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Speaker 8: You know, it's like the rising tide lifts all boats.

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Speaker 8: maybe this race evolves in such a way that Trump

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Speaker 4: About, sure is you're moving Georgia to toss up from

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Speaker 4: Lean's Republican, which fulfills or helps to fulfill part of

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Speaker 4: the narrative Kyle, that the sun Belt could be as

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Speaker 4: least there might be another path there. How do you

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Speaker 8: Look, I think that Biden's map was more kind of

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Speaker 8: I just don't think that that we should really expect

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Speaker 8: something like that from history. Maybe that's how the campaign develops.

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Speaker 8: What I think it's on line.

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Speaker 4: Now, Well, that's important analysis because that has been part

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Speaker 4: of the more recent conventional wisdom here. Either way you

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Speaker 4: cut it, Kyle, the Harris Walls campaign is looking at

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Speaker 4: the swing states. We count seven here in our poll

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Speaker 4: at Bloomberg. You're looking basically at six in the form

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Speaker 4: of toss ups on your map. And the campaign is

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Speaker 4: up with a new ad. Of course, they're just getting

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Speaker 4: our look at a new one here. This is targeting

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Speaker 4: Latino voters in swing states. Kyle, just a taste of

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Speaker 4: Spending time with Kyle Condick at Sabato's Crystal balt University

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Speaker 4: of Virginia Center for Politics, and I can't talk to you,

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: We had an important primary night this week saw Corey

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Speaker 4: We shall and we'd love to stay in touch with

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Speaker 4: politics here once again today as we assemble our panel

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Speaker 4: Tim Walls, now we dipped our toes into these waters.

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Speaker 10: JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance talked about it yesterday at his news conference. Here's

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Speaker 11: I wondered, Tim Waltz, when were you ever in war?

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Speaker 4: Those are heavy accusations, and of course it's coming in

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Speaker 4: Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano are back together today Bloomberg

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Speaker 4: and Genie a political science professor at Iona University. Rick,

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Speaker 4: maybe more than once. When I think about Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: Yeah, actually, I'm not even sure you talk about this

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Speaker 12: You know mine, you'r p's and q's. Because even military

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Speaker 13: Let's talk about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Draft Dodger five times over. According to his critics, he

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Speaker 5: Right Rick.

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Speaker 10: Rick.

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Speaker 4: The Harris campaign circulated a video of Walls calling for

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Speaker 12: And the other thing I would say too is, you know,

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Speaker 12: going to pick this ground to fight on, which is

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Speaker 12: very vulnerable to attack to Donald Trump the head of

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Speaker 12: the ticket, is a very dangerous strategy. I mean, if

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Speaker 12: I were Jade Vance in the Trump campaign, I say,

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Speaker 12: you know, maybe we shouldn't be really using this as

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Speaker 12: our front line of attack because we really are vulnerable

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Speaker 12: at the top of our ticket with this, as you've

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Speaker 12: pointed out, and so I really don't get it as

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Speaker 12: a tactic.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of other.

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Speaker 12: Things on the economy, on social programs, on the immigration

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Speaker 12: front that you could easily go after these folks that

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Speaker 12: are actually.

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Speaker 5: Real issues to voters.

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Speaker 12: And I can't imagine a scenario where you know, veterans

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Speaker 12: even entertain this kind of discussion. So who are you

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Speaker 12: appealing to right now, So I just don't get it

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Speaker 12: as a campaign tactic.

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Speaker 4: You know, we heard from another veteran, Rick, and I

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Speaker 4: think he's speaking direct to the point that you've been

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Speaker 4: making here now for a couple of minutes, and that's

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Speaker 4: Mark Kelly, of course, a former Navy fighter pilot as

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Speaker 4: well NASA astronaut and was on the short list. He

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Speaker 4: could be bitter right now, but his statement on this quote,

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Speaker 4: you both deserve to be thanked for your service, don't

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Speaker 4: become Donald Trump. He calls veterans suckers and losers, as

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Speaker 4: Rick referenced, and that is beneath those of us who

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Speaker 4: have actually served. On quote, it's inclusive and it's thankful.

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Speaker 5: Genie.

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Speaker 4: Would any of this be happening if it didn't actually

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Speaker 4: work against John Kerry?

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Speaker 14: You know, I'm not sure. I think Chris Lasovita, who

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Speaker 14: as you mentioned, was the architect behind the carry and

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Speaker 14: is now co sharing Donald Trump's campaign or co managing it.

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Speaker 14: It's worked for him before, he's trying it again again.

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Speaker 14: I think they are throwing spaghetti at the wall trying

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Speaker 14: to see what sticks. But I'll tell you what has

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Speaker 14: several Republicans nervous is that even if these attacks were founded,

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Speaker 14: which most people believe they are not, they are going

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Speaker 14: against the vice presidential nominee or candidate. What about Kamala Harris?

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Speaker 14: How does this make any sense that you attack this guy,

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Speaker 14: Tim Waltz, who's second on the ticket, and leave Kamala

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Speaker 14: Harris running around getting thirty six million dollars in twenty

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Speaker 14: four hours, huge huge childs at these rallies making these cases,

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Speaker 14: and she's sort of gone unscathed. So I don't suspect

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Speaker 14: that will happen for long. But that's what I mean

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Speaker 14: when this makes very very little sense, And of course

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Speaker 14: it makes very little sense if it came out of

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Speaker 14: the mouth of Donald Trump, who, as you mentioned himself,

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Speaker 14: did not serve and claimed it was because of bonespurs

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Speaker 14: but famously couldn't remember what foot bone spurs were in.

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Speaker 14: So it is an argument and a tactic that's not

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Speaker 14: going to succeed. And I think Tim is gonna welcome

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Speaker 14: speaking to it and about it. And I think, by

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Speaker 14: the way, I'm so glad you raised the Kelly statement.

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Speaker 14: He's absolutely right. Everybody should be thanked for their service. JD.

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Speaker 14: Vans And and Waltz included obviously Mark Kelly as well.

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Speaker 4: No, let's do it on the air. Then I thank

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Speaker 4: them both for their service. I never served, And I

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Speaker 4: think this is an absolutely wild conversation that we're having

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: It's not slow in sales with the hat. Did you

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Speaker 5: guys see the Camo hat?

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Speaker 4: This is the apparently the new status symbol for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: According to Axios, this came out just a couple hours

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Speaker 4: after the Tim Wall's choice had been announced. Forty dollars

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Speaker 4: Camo hat sold out in thirty minutes, three thousand orders totally,

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Speaker 4: almost a million dollars in purchases. Boy, who needs NFTs?

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Speaker 5: I guess it's now only available for pre order. Both

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Speaker 5: of you guys want one of those?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Did you order one? Genie?

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Speaker 9: I didn't.

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Speaker 14: I am way behind. But how much do you want

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Speaker 14: to bet that Donald Trump's not wearing one of those

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Speaker 14: when he comes out for his press conference.

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Speaker 5: I'm believing that's true.

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Speaker 4: We'll see how many Camo hats are in the crowd

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Speaker 4: for the next Kamala Harris rally. But this is, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe this is another metric like crowd size, that we

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Speaker 4: shouldn't pay too much attention to.

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Speaker 12: Rick, Yeah, I think crowd size and hats are fine,

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Speaker 12: but like I still like the dark Brandon hat. I

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Speaker 12: want to bring those back.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, God.

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Speaker 4: I love the fact that we're going to be in

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Speaker 4: Chicago with both Rick Davis and Geanie Shanza.

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Speaker 5: We got a lot to learn between now and then.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 15: What will we hear from the former president and Republican

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Speaker 15: nominee this afternoon?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you can sort of guess what

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Speaker 4: we're going to hear. He's got a stump speech. We

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Speaker 4: know the points he wants to hit, but will involve

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Speaker 4: report a news conference supposed to have questions and answers,

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Speaker 4: and the last time he called one and we carried it,

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Speaker 4: he spoke for about forty five minutes without calling on

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Speaker 4: a single reporter. So this will be interesting to see

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Speaker 4: if he's trying to make the point that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: doesn't hold news conferences.

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Speaker 15: If he actually does, yeah, and it's worth keeping in mind.

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Speaker 15: We will see him do this today. We will also

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Speaker 15: see him in Montana tomorrow for a rally. But we

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Speaker 15: haven't been seeing him as frequently as we've been seeing

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Speaker 15: his vice presidential nominee Jadie Vance or the Democratic ticket

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Speaker 15: is they're the ones that are chriss crossing the swing

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Speaker 15: states this week, and Donald Trump has been at home.

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Speaker 5: Some interesting new polling out.

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Speaker 4: We got something earlier from Marquette University, Kamala Harris leading

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump head to head nationally six points, Kayley fifty

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Speaker 4: three to forty seven.

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Speaker 5: We're going to drill.

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Speaker 4: Down on some of the swing states coming up in

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Speaker 4: a little bit with Cliff Young at IPSOS, always showing

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Speaker 4: up with the goods. When we see Cliff Young. He'll

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Speaker 4: be with us in a couple of moments right now.

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Speaker 4: Laura Davison Joints from Bloomberg Politics team here in.

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Speaker 5: Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see you, Laura, as we try to

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Speaker 4: get a sense of the direction here in this campaign,

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Speaker 4: what the issues are going to be, because the Trump

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Speaker 4: camp has been talking about Tim Wallace's military service more

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Speaker 4: than the border more than the economy, more than abortion, geopolitics.

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Speaker 4: Is this just a distraction or an effective strategy.

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Speaker 7: They're still struggling to figure out what their messaging is.

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Speaker 7: You know, Trump, you know, has had a bad week

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Speaker 7: last week, you know, and when he went to the

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Speaker 7: Nationalization of Black Journalists and insulted Harris Vance As He's

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Speaker 7: been on the campaign trail this week, been doing a

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Speaker 7: lot of insulting, but not a lot of redirecting to

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Speaker 7: what their message is. So that's partially why you see Trump,

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Speaker 7: you know, he's trying to reclaim the mantle here today

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Speaker 7: with this press conference. He wants to change the conversation.

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Speaker 7: He also, you know, believes himself to be the best

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Speaker 7: messenger for his campaign, so this allows him to steal

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Speaker 7: back the spotlight at least for a little bit. The

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Speaker 7: question is, though, you know, will this go off the

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Speaker 7: rails or will this you know, be a time for

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Speaker 7: him to sort of reframe and reset his campaign.

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Speaker 15: So it becomes a question of discipline. Then when we've

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Speaker 15: been having the conversation this cycle that the campaign is

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Speaker 15: we're disciplined this time around. The campaign, specifically the candidate

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Speaker 15: is another thing entirely. Laura as we've come to learn

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Speaker 15: just within the last few weeks alone, you could find

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Speaker 15: many examples, including that appearance at the National Association of

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Speaker 15: Black Journalists conference.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's been agreeing to do a lot more

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Speaker 7: events that are sort of outside the realm of normal,

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Speaker 7: you know. So earlier this week he did a live

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Speaker 7: stream for mar Alago for almost an hour and a

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Speaker 7: half with a with a gamer, a video game celebrity,

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Speaker 7: but someone who's had some ties to white nationalist and

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Speaker 7: has been a controversial figure.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 7: He also has said he's going to do this interview

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Speaker 7: with Elon Musk. On Monday, Sol confirmed that he has

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Speaker 7: not denied it and he should have talked around it

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Speaker 7: on X. So we are assuming this is happening for now,

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Speaker 7: but we still don't have any details about you know,

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Speaker 7: is this going to be on video, is it going

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Speaker 7: to be live? You know, that's it's still all out

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Speaker 7: there twisting in the wind.

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Speaker 4: Does Trump want his military record to come up or

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Speaker 4: are they doing this so.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't you know, that's a really good question.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: It's it's also interesting too that you know, Vance does

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Speaker 7: have a military record. He hasn't really been talking that

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Speaker 7: as much on the campaign trail, but military records, you know,

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Speaker 7: that's kind of back to like two thousand and eight

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Speaker 7: and John Kerry and all of that. So this is

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Speaker 7: a little bit of a throwback, you know. I think

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Speaker 7: it's it's interesting just as the military becomes something that

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Speaker 7: is less touches fewer Americans, that the fewer Americans have

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Speaker 7: an intersection with the military. It's been less of an

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Speaker 7: issue and things like couches and coconuts are what's taking

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Speaker 7: off instead.

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Speaker 15: Well, and it is worth pointing out there is a

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Speaker 15: common denominator here with Carrie in two thousand and four

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Speaker 15: and now it's Chris Losovita. Yes, indeed, and that is

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Speaker 15: worth keeping very much so. On the subject of strategy,

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Speaker 15: the strategy we've seen from the Harris Walls campaign to

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Speaker 15: this point is just hit the road, hit all the

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Speaker 15: swing states you can. A hurricane maybe getting in the

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Speaker 15: way of some of the swing states in the southeast,

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Speaker 15: but she's going to be after Michigan today, head to Arizona,

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Speaker 15: She'll be going to Las Vegas, and she's hitting San

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Speaker 15: Francisco after that. To what extent is the campaign thinking

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Speaker 15: they can continue to just keep this up with organized

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Speaker 15: rallies before putting her in front of the media for

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Speaker 15: a press conference like we're going to see Trump do today,

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Speaker 15: or sitting down for a big interview.

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Speaker 7: The campaign wants to keep a very aggressive schedule, so

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Speaker 7: I think you're going to continue to see this pace

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Speaker 7: of rallies, you know, either with Harris or Walls or

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Speaker 7: some other combination of surrogates going forward. But they're under

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Speaker 7: a lot of pressure to put her in front of

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Speaker 7: a journalists, you know, whether that's to hold a press

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Speaker 7: conference or do you know, sit down with you know,

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Speaker 7: serious journalists and have these conversations. You know, Biden avoided

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Speaker 7: that for a long time, and he would maybe you know,

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Speaker 7: go and talk to Howard Stern or you know, not

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Speaker 7: as hard news sorts of folks. But this is going

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Speaker 7: to be an issue that she's going to face, and

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Speaker 7: the issues that Biden had are not the same issues

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Speaker 7: she had in terms of you know, she's proved herself

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Speaker 7: that she's able to speak off the cuff, so she

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Speaker 7: needs to sort of put herself in a situation where she.

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Speaker 6: She does that.

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Speaker 4: Couches and coconuts should be the name of your podcast,

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Speaker 4: maybe a book, maybe your book on the campaign that's brilliant.

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Speaker 4: I just have to say that out loud. Why sit

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Speaker 4: that when you're going to get more play, probably with

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Speaker 4: a Howard Stern interview. If Donald Trump's sitting down with

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk, what's the equation for Kamala Harris?

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Speaker 7: It does help negate this attack from jd Vance that

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Speaker 7: she is not talking with journalists and that he's making

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Speaker 7: a real big issue of you know, yesterday he sauntered

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Speaker 7: off his plane. He happened to be at the same

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Speaker 7: a pool of press gathered outside the plane, and he said, hey,

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Speaker 7: you know, I'm coming to check to make sure you're

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Speaker 7: not lonely because Harris isn't talking to you. You know,

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Speaker 7: this this stunt, you know, didn't maybe land quite the

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Speaker 7: way he wanted it. You know, it came off as

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Speaker 7: very abrasive. But you know, if she wants to sort

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Speaker 7: of be able to deflect some of the negatives, you know,

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Speaker 7: and Democrats, their sort of strategy has been you know,

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Speaker 7: they go low, we go high. She needs to to,

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Speaker 7: you know, at least touch on this issue.

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Speaker 15: I guess We'll just see when she decides to do so.

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Speaker 15: Laura Davison, Bloomberg Politics Editor, thank you so much. As always,

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Speaker 15: and as we talk about the vice president and the

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Speaker 15: vice presidential nominee Jade Vance for that matter, swinging through

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Speaker 15: the swing states, it is worth taking stock of where

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Speaker 15: exactly the race stands in these key battleground states that

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Speaker 15: ultimately will decide the outcome of the election. New poland

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Speaker 15: coming in today from IPSOS that finds that Harris and

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Speaker 15: Trump are in a statistical dead heat in the swing

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Speaker 15: states Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona and

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Speaker 15: of course Nevada. So on that note, we bring in

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Speaker 15: Cliff Young. He is IPSOS head of US Public Affairs,

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Speaker 15: always on top of these polling so this does track

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Speaker 15: Cliff with our own polling we've done with Morning Consolt

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Speaker 15: here at Bloomberg. This idea that they are literally neck

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Speaker 15: and neck in the swing states. But is there a

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Speaker 15: sense that there is more momentum for one candidate than another?

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Speaker 13: Right now, we have to be careful of false positives

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Speaker 13: that there is this Harris enthusiasm bump. We find it

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Speaker 13: about four points at the national level. We found in

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Speaker 13: the swing states now at about five points. This will

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Speaker 13: dissipate in our minds over time post convention, and so

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Speaker 13: we really once the dust settles, we know where we're

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Speaker 13: going to be. But right now Harris is riding this way.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, Cliff, and thanks for coming and back.

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Speaker 4: I really love spending time with you. And you have

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Speaker 4: new numbers to share like this, and yours are important

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Speaker 4: because we're talking swing states, not La La Land national polls.

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Speaker 4: But we've seen in the last twenty four hours the

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Speaker 4: Cook Political Report move three states at least in the

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Speaker 4: direction of Democrats in the form of toss ups. We've

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Speaker 4: seen Sabata's Crystal Ball at the University of Virginia Center

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Speaker 4: for Politics move three states as well.

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Speaker 5: Georgia was one of them. So it speaks to the

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Speaker 5: point you're making here. We're in a very noisy period.

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Speaker 5: How much fluidity do you see in the map?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think we'd be very careful. Right now we

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Speaker 13: have this once again, this enthusiasm bump for Harris. It's

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Speaker 13: significant we see, especially the Democratic base being energized relatively

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Speaker 13: Republican base. But when we look at the fundamentals, when

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Speaker 13: we look at those key factors that help define electoral outcomes,

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Speaker 13: they still are in Trump's favor principally. It's the economy.

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Speaker 13: It's the number one issue. Peel away the onion. It's

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Speaker 13: really about inflation, and Trump dominates on that issue both

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Speaker 13: nationally as well as in the key swing.

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Speaker 15: States well so on the economy, and you have here

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Speaker 15: in pulling you sent over that fifty two percent said

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Speaker 15: the most important issue facing the country is inflation or

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Speaker 15: increasing costs. We just had a headline cross the Bloomberg

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Speaker 15: terminal in the last hour that mortgage rates have dropped

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Speaker 15: to their lowest level since May of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 15: When we think about increasing costs, Cliff, what costs are

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Speaker 15: the most important and that we should be watching to

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Speaker 15: see if they're coming down and consider the political consequences

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Speaker 15: of that. Is it the cost of home ownership or

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Speaker 15: renting or is this still grocers and gas.

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Speaker 13: That's a great question. It's obviously it's not about inflation,

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Speaker 13: it's about price level. It's about costs and renting and

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Speaker 13: mortgages are important, but more importantly as gas and basic

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Speaker 13: food stuffs. When you look at the key constituencies that

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Speaker 13: have been affected by inflation, like younger Americans, Black Americans,

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Speaker 13: and Hispanic Americans. It's all about that simple stuff, day

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Speaker 13: to day groceries, day to days sort of household goods

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Speaker 13: and services that really push those segments over the edge.

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Speaker 13: And Harris has a lot of work to do. The

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Speaker 13: Democrats have a lot of work to do. They lost

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Speaker 13: those people over the last let's say a year or so.

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Speaker 4: Cliff, we were talking before you joined us about the

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Speaker 4: attempt to swift boat Tim Walls and the questioning of

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Speaker 4: his military credentials. Right now, I think the consensus is

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Speaker 4: there isn't one, and we're curious to see if this sticks.

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Speaker 4: One thing that you are seeing stick is this term weird,

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Speaker 4: the label weird sticking to Trump relative to Harris, you say,

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Speaker 4: suggesting the campaign Harris campaign has been successful, successful in

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Speaker 4: initially defining Trump. This is being used, of course, coined,

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Speaker 4: I guess by Tim Walls in this particular case, used

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Speaker 4: against Republicans at large.

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Speaker 5: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we took a number of terms and we tested

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Speaker 13: them in this swing state pole Right now, it's the

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Speaker 13: battle of biographies. That's what we're seeing at this moment.

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Speaker 13: The Democrats and more specifically Walls have been very effective

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Speaker 13: at painting Trump in negative light. He's weird and that sticks,

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Speaker 13: and basically Trump sort of outpaces on that negative point.

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Speaker 13: Harris by about sixteen points and so very interesting suggests

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Speaker 13: that that strategy is effective. It might be a way

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Speaker 13: to counter Trump's irreverence that's always been a very positive

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Speaker 13: attribute for him. But we will see if ultimately it

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Speaker 13: has that sort of long lasting impact.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and I guess we'll see whether or not the

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Speaker 15: questions over Tim Walls's service and his lack of deploying

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Speaker 15: before retiring ultimately has a lasting impact. Let's just take

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Speaker 15: a listen to how the Republican vice presidential nominee, Senator JD.

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Speaker 15: Van has characterized this.

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Speaker 10: I wondered, Tim Waltz, when were you ever in war? When?

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Speaker 10: What was this weapon that you carried into war?

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Speaker 11: Given that you abandoned your unit right before they went

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Speaker 11: to Iraq and he has not spent.

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Speaker 10: A day in a combat zone.

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Speaker 11: What bothers me about Tim Waltz is the stolen valor garbage.

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Speaker 10: Do not pretend to be something that you're not.

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Speaker 11: And if you want to criticize me for getting an

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Speaker 11: Ivy League education, I'm proud of the fact that my

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Speaker 11: Mamma supported me, that I was able to make something

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Speaker 11: of myself. I'd be ashamed if I was him and

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Speaker 11: I lied about my military service like he did.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 15: Of course, the reference to a weapon of war from

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Speaker 15: the Senator, there was an old advertisement from Tim Wallts,

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Speaker 15: who of course is advocated in more recent years for

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Speaker 15: stronger gun control measures, talking about weapons of war that

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Speaker 15: shouldn't be available, like the ones he himself carried into war.

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Speaker 15: And I asked this Cliff with the knowledge that you've

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Speaker 15: also pulled the notion of patriotism, which is something that

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump pulls much better on than Kamala Harris. To

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Speaker 15: what extent is this a narrative that actually matters to

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Speaker 15: the American voter.

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Speaker 13: It's very indeed. I would go as far as saying

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Speaker 13: that the Waltz pick is more important because of his

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Speaker 13: profile than his policies. He's more sort of aligned with

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Speaker 13: let's say Vance's profile, white, rural veteran and very important

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Speaker 13: and very resonant with that segment of the American population.

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Speaker 13: And what we're seeing right now is a battle of biography,

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Speaker 13: is of Vance is trying to paint him in a

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Speaker 13: negative light, whether that's effective or not, we will see,

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Speaker 13: but I would say it's the correct tack at going

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Speaker 13: after his personal biography before he's able to define.

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Speaker 4: And ask you about another issue here, Cliff, and that's

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Speaker 4: political violence. It's something that came up in a CBS

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Speaker 4: interview with President Joe Biden, the idea that if Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump loses, it's Katie bar the door.

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Speaker 5: Here's what he said, if Trump loses, I'm not coming.

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Speaker 3: He means what he says.

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Speaker 16: We don't take him seriously.

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Speaker 3: He means it.

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Speaker 16: All the stuff about if we lose there'll be a

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Speaker 16: bloodbath is have to be a stone. Look what they're

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Speaker 16: trying to do now in the local election districts where

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Speaker 16: people count the votes or elected, are putting people in

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Speaker 16: place in states that they're going to count the votes. Right,

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Speaker 16: You can't love your country only when you win.

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Speaker 4: Cliff Young, what are you learning about the level of

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Speaker 4: concern that voters have over this.

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Speaker 13: Very high levels of concern for violence, widespread belief that

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Speaker 13: the system is broken. So such statements are believable. But

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Speaker 13: the other thing we have to realize is this is

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Speaker 13: one of the primary points of focus of the Democratic

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Speaker 13: campaign to paint Trump and the Republican Party as being insurrectionist,

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Speaker 13: as being anti democratic, that they are a threat to democracy,

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Speaker 13: and this will be hammered over and over and over

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Speaker 13: again by multiple messengers. It's a theme that especially mobilizes

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Speaker 13: the Democrat Baz but also has a pretty good effect

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Speaker 13: on independence. So I expect to see more of this

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Speaker 13: with more intensity over the course of the next ninety days.

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Speaker 4: Cliff Young at ipsos with fresh numbers straight from the

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Speaker 4: campaign trail and specifically the swing states. Cliff, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for the numbers, the data, the analysis. It's

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Speaker 4: always great to have you here on Ballance of Power,

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Speaker 4: Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines in Washington.

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Speaker 5: I suspect Kiley.

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Speaker 4: A lot of this is going to come up, maybe

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Speaker 4: every issue we just walked through with Cliff, if Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Makes good on a promise for a news conference today.

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Speaker 4: You made it to Little Friday, and thanks for joining.

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Speaker 4: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines in Washington. As we

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Speaker 4: consider the fluidity of this electoral map, a couple of

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Speaker 4: really important changes from sources that we follow closely here

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Speaker 4: on Ballants of Power. We talked a little bit earlier

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Speaker 4: about Sabado's Crystal Ball at the University of Virginia Center

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Speaker 4: for Politics moving Georgia back to toss up, Minnesota and

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Speaker 4: New Hampshire at least better for Democrats. And the Cook

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Speaker 4: Political Report is making moves as well, and this draws

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Speaker 4: us toward the sun Belt. Arizona from Lean's r to

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Speaker 4: toss up. Nevada and Georgia also both from Lean's are

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Speaker 4: to toss up. Kaylee, these are important moves if you

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Speaker 4: believe these are the swing states that will decide this election.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: And to quote Amy Walter in this report in which

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Speaker 15: she's making these changes, she says the presidential contest has

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Speaker 15: moved from one that was Trump's to lose to a

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Speaker 15: much more competitive contest. She says with these moves, she

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Speaker 15: now sees two hundred thirty five electoral votes as leaning

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Speaker 15: likely or solid Republican two hundred and twenty six, the

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Speaker 15: same for Democrats seventy seven total electoral votes rated as

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Speaker 15: a toss up. And when we consider the states likely

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Speaker 15: to decide this election, we've spent a lot of time

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Speaker 15: talking about the Blue Wall or the rest belt Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 15: but she here is looking toward the sun Belt specifically,

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Speaker 15: so that's where we go next. Samara Clark is with us.

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Speaker 15: She's professor at the University of Arizona School of Government

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Speaker 15: and Public Policy. Tomorrow, Welcome back to Balance and Power.

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Speaker 15: Always great to have you. You're literally on the ground

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Speaker 15: in Arizona. Do you sense the shift that Amy Walter

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Speaker 15: is sensing?

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Speaker 17: Well, from my understanding, I believe Harrison Walls are in

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Speaker 17: Arizona today.

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Speaker 15: And yeah, they'll be in Phoenix later.

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Speaker 17: There exactly, there is a real renewed effort here in

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Speaker 17: Arizona to mobilize voters who are potentially feeling a little

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Speaker 17: bit lackadaisical with Biden. And yes, you absolutely do feel

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Speaker 17: out a new wave of campaigning of energy, and of

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Speaker 17: course with the visit today to Phoenix, that's a pretty

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Speaker 17: big sign.

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Speaker 4: How much of this has to do with something new,

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Speaker 4: the new shiny object, the honeymoon, the sugar rush, whatever

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Speaker 4: you want to call it. Here, Samara as opposed to

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Speaker 4: where we might be after a debate, after a series

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Speaker 4: of interviews, more headlines from geopolitics or the economy tied

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Speaker 4: to this administration, that's a great question.

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Speaker 17: I mean, it's hard to know what the future holds.

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Speaker 17: I certainly do not predict the future. But part of

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Speaker 17: it is probably a bit of a honeymoon phase. We

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Speaker 17: have a new campaign, a new candidate, a new VP pick.

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Speaker 17: People are interested, They're learning about these people for the

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Speaker 17: first time. There are people who are learning about Kamala

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Speaker 17: Harris for the first time who didn't know all that

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Speaker 17: much about her.

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Speaker 9: Even while she was VP. So certainly it could be

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Speaker 9: some novelty.

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Speaker 17: And I think there is just more energy being infused

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Speaker 17: into the election, and frankly, more effort to buy the campaign,

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Speaker 17: to start mobilizing people in a way that maybe they

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Speaker 17: hadn't been when Biden was running.

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Speaker 15: Well, certainly we've seen the Democratic ticket mobile this week,

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Speaker 15: to your point, doing this swing state tour that will

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Speaker 15: include Arizona today after they appear at Detroit this afternoon.

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Speaker 15: It raises the question, considering we are expecting this news

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Speaker 15: conference from Donald Trump when the Trump Advance ticket and

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Speaker 15: Republicans as a whole are making a very big deal

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Speaker 15: about Vice President Harris not making herself available for interviews

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Speaker 15: or questions to the press. For voters, does that matter

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Speaker 15: as much as it say matters to the media. Or

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Speaker 15: is it these in person visits and holding these rallies

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Speaker 15: and making the time commitment to go to these states?

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Speaker 17: You know, I don't know if Frankly, voters who are

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Speaker 17: spending every day buying groceries, dealing with their kids, getting

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Speaker 17: to work, I don't think they're spending a lot of

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Speaker 17: time parsing out the differences between a.

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Speaker 9: Press conference and a rally.

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Speaker 17: I do think people ultimately prefer to hear from the

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Speaker 17: candidates themselves.

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Speaker 9: They'd like to see FaceTime, they like to see speeches.

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Speaker 17: Press conferences certainly give an air of transparency that I

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Speaker 17: think people appreciate. I wouldn't say voters are putting a

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Speaker 17: lot of weight on how many minutes each candidate is

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Speaker 17: spending at press conferences versus rallies.

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Speaker 9: But both of these.

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Speaker 17: Candidates should and are trying to get themselves out there

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Speaker 17: in front of the public as much as possible.

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Speaker 3: Somorro.

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Speaker 4: A lot was said about Mark Kelly leading up to

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Speaker 4: the decision on a running mate here. He was said

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Speaker 4: to be on the short list until it was down

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Speaker 4: to two and he suddenly fell off the list. But

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Speaker 4: there was a thought that he could help to cover

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris on the border on national security. As a veteran,

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Speaker 4: he could plug holes in her resume and maybe just

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Speaker 4: deliver the state of Arizona. He's surprised she did not

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Speaker 4: pick him, and what's the fallout out there?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 17: I mean, I think Kelly had a lot of strengths

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Speaker 17: and Arizonans generally approve of Kelly.

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Speaker 9: He's a great fit for Arizona.

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Speaker 17: He's sort of a non partisan style that Arizonans really appreciate,

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Speaker 17: which is I think why he won in a very

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Speaker 17: very competitive state. Personally, I thought it was possibly riskier

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Speaker 17: for her to choose a senator at a time when

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Speaker 17: both parties need as many copartisans in the Senate as possible,

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Speaker 17: So for her to vacate a Senate seat as much

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Speaker 17: risky than vacating governorship. I thought that was probably the

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Speaker 17: biggest reason why she would ultimately choose a governor not

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Speaker 17: a senator, but he was absolutely in the running. I

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Speaker 17: think it was brought a lot of attention in Arizona

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Speaker 17: to the campaign generally.

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Speaker 9: You know, Kelly has been on real.

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Speaker 17: Strong surrogate for Harris in a way that we haven't

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Speaker 17: really seen him do for Biden, and possibly that was

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Speaker 17: linked to that VP potential.

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Speaker 15: Well, as we think about the notion of vacating a

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Speaker 15: Senate seat, one is being vacated in Arizona, not the

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Speaker 15: one held by Mark Kelly, the one being held by

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Speaker 15: Senator Senema, who of course decided not to seek re

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Speaker 15: election as an independent. It's now Reuben Diego and Carrie Lake.

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Speaker 15: Does the notion that the presidential race is becoming tighter

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Speaker 15: in Arizona than it maybe was before also have implications

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Speaker 15: for that race down the ballot.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 17: I mean, all of these races are going to impact

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Speaker 17: each other because when someone shows up the bills out

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Speaker 17: the ballot by mail, however they may choose to do it.

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Speaker 17: If they're voting in one race, it increases the odds

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Speaker 17: that they'll vote for another, is they're voting for a

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Speaker 17: Democrat or for a Republican on one level and increases

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Speaker 17: the chances they'll do so at.

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Speaker 9: The other level.

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Speaker 17: No, Gayego has had a pretty comfortable lead, and comfortable

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Speaker 17: in Arizona is not as big as you might think.

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Speaker 9: It's, you know, a few percentage points, so he has

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Speaker 9: He's had a good campaign so far.

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Speaker 17: Pulling has consistently shown Diego leading Lake and Trump leading Biden. Now,

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Speaker 17: of course things are changing a little bit, but you know,

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Speaker 17: I'm sure Gego is probably pleased to see this.

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Speaker 9: Trend towards toss up.

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Speaker 17: As you just indicated, He's had a fairly comfortable lead

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Speaker 17: in the polls, and I'm sure he's hoping that that

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Speaker 17: will just increase.

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Speaker 4: Now we'll I have to notice what Carrie Lake's been

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Speaker 4: posting on Twitter. She just two hours ago wrote Tim

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Speaker 4: Wallas as a far left nut who left the city burned,

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Speaker 4: punished law enforcement. Thirteen hours ago, very simple, stolen nomination

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Speaker 4: and stolen valor. It says, this is the ticket the

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Speaker 4: DNC is offering we the people. How important is this

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Speaker 4: conversation in a state like Arizona, filled with so many

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Speaker 4: veterans and active members of the military, to see Tim

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Speaker 4: Walls have his military credentials questions.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, Arizona has a huge military presence.

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Speaker 17: At Tucson, where I'm sitting here today, has a very

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Speaker 17: large important Air Force base.

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Speaker 9: So the VET community in Arizona is really important. And

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Speaker 9: I think that Walls.

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Speaker 17: Is probably both going to appeal to voters just by

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Speaker 17: the fact that he has a long military service, but also,

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Speaker 17: as you say, these questions now regarding his military service

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Speaker 17: may become a bit of an issue. Now, of course,

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Speaker 17: Democrats and Republicans are probably not going to choose their

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Speaker 17: candidate based on stories about credibility of Walls's military history.

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Speaker 17: We do, however, in Arizona have a very large proportion

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Speaker 17: of voters who identify as independent, and those independent voters

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Speaker 17: might be looking at these details a little more carefully.

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Speaker 17: They might be the ones who are following these stories

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Speaker 17: in the next few weeks as we see the pull

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Speaker 17: start to shift.

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Speaker 15: Well, there's also just this idea of tone and feeling

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Speaker 15: in this race and the way that these conversations are

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Speaker 15: being approached by either ticket. We heard from the now

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Speaker 15: vice presidential nominee on the Democratic side, Governor Walls, when

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Speaker 15: he was being announced by Kamala Harris at that rally

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Speaker 15: in Philadelphia, seemed pretty happy and specifically thanked her for this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, madam Vice President, for the trust you put

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Speaker 2: in me, but maybe more so, thank you for bringing

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Speaker 2: back the joy.

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Speaker 15: The joy is the word the governor used, Samara. And

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Speaker 15: as we consider the notion that there's been reporting part

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Speaker 15: of the reason that Vice President Harris was attracted to

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Speaker 15: Governor Walls was because of his so called happy, go

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Speaker 15: lucky attitude. What plays better for voters kind of anger

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Speaker 15: and aggressiveness or this more joyful, jovial kind of tone

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Speaker 15: we're getting.

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Speaker 17: Well, I'll say that a lot of the anger and

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Speaker 17: aggressiveness in politics has pushed people away from wanting to

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Speaker 17: identify with either party at all, but that largely is

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Speaker 17: coming from the conflict.

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Speaker 9: Between the two parties.

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Speaker 17: So I think Parris and Walls are going to have

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Speaker 17: to do is not only talk about joy, but also

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Speaker 17: try to tone down the attacks and the anger that

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Speaker 17: candidates tend to see between candidates, and I think that

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Speaker 17: the vote that sort of voters see between candidates, and

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Speaker 17: I think that that's what they're they're trying to do.

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Speaker 17: I think they're trying to distinguish themselves from the Trump

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Speaker 17: vance ticket as much as possible. They're potentially trying to

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Speaker 17: highlight Harris's youth relative to Donald Trump. So you know,

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Speaker 17: these are all the strategies that they're going to go for,

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Speaker 17: and we'll see if it works. We've only had it

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Speaker 17: feels like a long long time now, but it's only

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Speaker 17: been about a week that we've really had some certainty

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Speaker 17: about this ticket, and we'll have to see how it

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Speaker 17: plays out.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: You know, somorrow, Donald Trump's going to be holding a

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Speaker 4: news conference as he's built it, starting about ten minutes

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Speaker 4: from right now. Never really know exactly what he's going

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Speaker 4: to do, but I can almost guarantee you that he

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Speaker 4: will start with the border. I only say that because

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Speaker 4: he has done that at just about every event he's

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Speaker 4: held in recent memory here. If he doesn't start with it,

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Speaker 4: he'll get to it pretty quickly. And I wonder if

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Speaker 4: he has an audience only in Republicans in Arizona or

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Speaker 4: if Democrats or is concerned as well.

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Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely they are.

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Speaker 17: I mean, the border is one of the biggest issues

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Speaker 17: at Arizona's rate. Is important here in Arizona now for

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Speaker 17: some Arizonans that has to do with undocumented immigrants.

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Speaker 9: For a lot of Arizonans.

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Speaker 17: It has to do with illegal you know, contrabands, drugs,

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Speaker 17: weapons that are brought across the border. But no matter

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Speaker 17: how you cut it, Americans and Arizonans are concerned about

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Speaker 17: the border and that is something that both parties are

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Speaker 17: going to have to tackle head on. Biden did not

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Speaker 17: have great approval ratings on the border. People were not

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Speaker 17: happy with improvements or lack thereof at the border over

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Speaker 17: the last four years. So you know, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 17: wise to bring it up. I think it's an issue

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Speaker 17: that people have typically thought Republicans might be better at,

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Speaker 17: but that advantage might be waning a little bit. Harra

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Speaker 17: seems to be a lot more aggressive and talking about

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Speaker 17: the border, and she's trying to kind of take back

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Speaker 17: that issue, especially in swing states like Arizona.

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Speaker 15: And where the border is highly ranked in terms of

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Speaker 15: issues we know voters care about potentially even more so

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Speaker 15: in border states. We know that the economy is up

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Speaker 15: there too. We were asking Cliff Young of IPSOS about

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Speaker 15: this earlier on, knowing that we saw today mortgage rates

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Speaker 15: dropping to the lowest levels since May of last year.

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Speaker 15: To what extent do changes like that actually help the

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Speaker 15: incumbent party, or is it not material enough to make

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Speaker 15: a difference when costs are still quite elevated.

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Speaker 17: Well, I'll first say, you know, in a swing state

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Speaker 17: like Arizona, where electoral outcomes are so razor thin, it's

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Speaker 17: anything that might not make a difference. Really, anything could

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Speaker 17: make a difference in Arizona. We have such tiny, tiny

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Speaker 17: margins of victory in our races, but the economy is huge, huge,

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Speaker 17: hugely important here. Arizona had one of the highest rates

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Speaker 17: has really skyrocketed. It may seem like Arizona has a

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Speaker 17: low cost of living compared to you know, DC, or

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Speaker 17: stunned by the increase of the cost of living.

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Speaker 9: So any economic.

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Speaker 17: Factor is going to be a big factor in an

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Speaker 17: Arizona election. And seeing those mortgage rates fall, I think

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Speaker 17: will have an impact and can make people more positive

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Speaker 17: or more optimistic about their financial state and about the economy.

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Speaker 4: Samara Klar, it's great to have you back as always.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the insights professor at the University of Arizona

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