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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker Like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: I have to say. As we close in on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: I'm still haunted by the memory Thanksgiving twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: What was it? Charles Dickens with a ghost of Christmas past?

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 2: I know that because in twenty seventeen, Ron Wolfley drag

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Speaker 2: me across London to go to Charles Dickens's former home

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Speaker 2: and watched Wolf sit there and gaze in wonder at

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Speaker 2: Charles Dickens's writing desk for more than a half hour,

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Speaker 2: taking about four hundred pictures. But Danny there, I was

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Speaker 2: last year, and we sat down to Thanksgiving dinner, and

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Speaker 2: out of nowhere, unbeknownst to yours truly, the wife said,

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Speaker 2: and Paul will handle Grace and have something to say.

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Speaker 2: And I was totally unprepared.

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Speaker 4: I find it hard to believe you were out of

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Speaker 4: lost words.

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Speaker 2: I had totally.

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Speaker 3: I got a lot of problems with you people.

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Speaker 2: I should have done the airing of the agreements, is

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Speaker 2: You're right in hindsight, Either A. I should have gone

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Speaker 2: airing in the agreements is B I should have gone

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Speaker 2: into some football talk, you know, coach speak. We're going

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Speaker 2: to take it one fork at a time, you know,

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Speaker 2: when serving at a time here Instead, after saying Grace,

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Speaker 2: I had nothing. I had nothing but prepared at a

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Speaker 2: couple of pale ales in me. Wasn't really thinking straight

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Speaker 2: and it was not good.

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Speaker 3: I've heard you're a good ad libber, though I don't

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Speaker 3: understand this. I mean, I've been around you a long time.

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Speaker 3: You've seen fairly decent at app living.

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Speaker 2: I haven't folded like that and since probably College radio

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Speaker 2: women's basketball when I had a call a game, I

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Speaker 2: mean it was I mean, there's been bad and then

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Speaker 2: there's been really bad. So I'm going to defer to you, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you have something to say off the top of

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Speaker 2: this Thanksgiving addition of Cardinals Underground brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Specific Office Automation, because based on last year, I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: way down on the depth chart?

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Speaker 4: Are you prepared for grace this year?

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, we're going on the road. It's a road game.

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Speaker 2: We're going over to some friend's house for on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: so I don't have to worry about that, and for that,

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Speaker 2: I am truly thankful on this Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: So wait, you don't give you don't have any grace

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Speaker 3: if you go somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: I'm not responsible for us job, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so my guy, Jules, yep, jewels. Look, the bar

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Speaker 2: was set really low last year. You'll be better this

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Speaker 2: year than yours truly was a year ago.

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Speaker 4: What are you bringing for Thanksgiving? Paul?

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Yeah, I haven't figured that out.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking it one day at a time here until

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Speaker 2: we I have worked best on deadline, Danny, how about you?

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Speaker 2: I know what you're bringing in three two one. What

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Speaker 2: has the blowback been around the green bean cast role

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Speaker 4: You know, I do lead that train, you know, I

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Speaker 4: really I haven't had the opportunity. I haven't know. I'm

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Speaker 4: not eating Thanksgiving with Kyle. I really haven't had the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to talk about green bean cast role this year.

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Speaker 4: So thank you for opening up that door, Paul.

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Speaker 2: The floor is yours, Danny. What should be known or

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Speaker 4: When made correctly? Green bean cast role is a top

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving dish, just delicious. Now. It is not something I

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Speaker 4: will ever bring to a non family Thanksgiving meal because

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Speaker 4: I know that it is not well liked and I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to put in the time and effort for

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Speaker 4: something that old. I am going to eat. It is

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Speaker 4: a dish. Everyone's family has a dish that works for

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Speaker 4: with others, and green bean cast role is one of them.

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Speaker 4: In fact, my sisters and family members some are gluten

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Speaker 4: free dairy for all that stuff, we make sure we

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Speaker 4: have a green bean castrole that fits everybody's dietary restriction.

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Speaker 4: So that everybody can enjoy green bean castrole.

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Speaker 2: Who knew the green bean castrole was so versatile? I

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Speaker 2: just learned something. The more you know, you know, I

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Speaker 3: Put on a couple pieces of bread with some mayonnaise

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Speaker 3: the day after.

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Speaker 2: If I said the most hated player in sports, who

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Speaker 2: would you answer?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry that whiplash. I'm hurting right now.

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Speaker 2: Because green being cast role is the most hated player.

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Speaker 2: If you will, on the Thanksgiving table.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL or just period mostly.

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Speaker 2: Berries, Like, who would get that Moniker? Right now? The

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Speaker 2: most hated player in sports? If you want to go

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Speaker 2: NFL great.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Beverly, That Ramon Raymond got an NBA list.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's more than anybody.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we go through your list of incompetence?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's true, I should, well, Danny, I won't put

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Speaker 2: green with Yes, I won't put that. No, I won't

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Speaker 2: Jimmy c Oh, But you mentioned Cranberry's, Danny, I have

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Speaker 2: to stand up in defense of Cranberry's. I mean, as

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Speaker 2: long as it's just once a year, basically Cranberry's on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about the thing that comes out of

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Speaker 3: the can that looks exactly like the can.

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Speaker 2: You know that's acceptable. I will take that. I will

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Speaker 2: I will take that. I'm not above canned cranberry sauce.

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Speaker 2: Now if it's a homemade, great, but you know I'm

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Speaker 2: not a snob when it comes to cranberry.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I I don't Thanksgiving I kind of.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like the time off, I like the football,

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Speaker 3: the food itself, I'm give or take I like, but

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Speaker 3: I'm I've reached the point in my life. If Danny

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Speaker 3: likes green being cast role, then damn it. She should

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Speaker 3: be able to green bean castwable. And if you want

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Speaker 3: can cranberry sauce, go for it. And if I want

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Speaker 3: to tell my family before they come over that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we might just be getting some takeout Chinese, then you'll

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Speaker 3: live with it. Not this year, we're doing kind of

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Speaker 2: Less I'm about to draw the line at the takeout

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Speaker 2: Chinese on Thanksgiving with Darren. You know, you do you whatever?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about being inclusive here.

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Speaker 2: It's like I want to be offended, but I know

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be, so I won't go there.

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Speaker 4: Giving It's one of those holidays where I feel like,

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Speaker 4: if you're not with your family eating the dishes you

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Speaker 4: grew up eating, you don't really like Thanksgiving just as

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Speaker 4: much like I love the food at my family's Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like whenever, although I'm grateful to be included,

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Speaker 4: when my family's in Texas and I'm here and going

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Speaker 4: to somebody else's Thanksgiving, I feel like, you just don't

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Speaker 3: See for me, like both my children are now were

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Speaker 3: empty nesters. They've actually this is the first holidays where

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Speaker 3: they're both living elsewhere, although down street. More or less,

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Speaker 3: they've both grown up with me covering the NFL, so

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Speaker 3: like this has always been like usually usually I'm going

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Speaker 2: And Darren, do you take your pest control service down

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Speaker 2: the street you know, and service the homes of your

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Speaker 2: two sons? You don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, they don't live that close.

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Speaker 2: Because I've tried to you now for a few months.

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Speaker 2: I understand you won't go outside your own neighborhood. But

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Speaker 3: What would have been nice is if they would have

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Speaker 3: taken me up on the multiple times over the years

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Speaker 3: I've asked them to, you know, shadow me and maybe

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Speaker 3: they could learn how to do it themselves. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: didn't take me up on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you need to do is do it in video

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Speaker 2: form so they can watch it on TikTok and that's

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Speaker 2: that's how they'll consume consume it. That's how you get

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Speaker 3: By the way, circling back to the Vikings game, both

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Speaker 3: how much that would have screwed me over. And all

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Speaker 4: I will say it's been made much easier not being

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Speaker 4: able to go home for Thanksgiving this year because obviously

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Speaker 4: in Texas it is all surrounded around the Cowboys game

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Speaker 4: and you're eating at halftime and watching the halftime performance

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Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito or Drew Locke against Cooper Rush was not

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Speaker 4: an incredibly intriguing football game. To make sure I went

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Speaker 4: so thank you. Yes, all right.

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Speaker 2: A couple of comments. Number one, Baker Mayfield so very

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Speaker 2: wrong the manner in which he did the Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 2: It's not in the elbows. It's in the wrist. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's in the arrist any good Italian. It's in the wrist,

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Speaker 2: all right, that's where you speak with your hands.

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Speaker 3: You said couple things. I don't mean to cut you off,

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Speaker 3: but it's funny that you brought Baker Mayfield right there,

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Speaker 3: because speaking of Thanksgiving, he is now suing his brother

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Speaker 3: and his father for millions of dollars and somebody said, boy,

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Speaker 3: it's going to make for an awkward Thanksgiving. But anyways, yeah,

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Speaker 3: back to the other thing you wanted to mention.

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Speaker 2: So I just mentioned that one, and then I can

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Speaker 2: relate Danny because my wife from the d the three

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Speaker 2: one three. So the tradition is to watch the Lions,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it sort of throws us now because

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Speaker 2: I mean, a good quarter century we've watched the Lions

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Speaker 2: lose and then you try not to lose your appetite

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Speaker 2: the football so bad, and all of a sudden you

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Speaker 2: got the ten and one Lions. It's a little different.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm originally from Detroit.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Watching the Lions was always well, I mean, watching both

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Speaker 3: those teams was always a thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Remember we told Larry Foote, Detroit native, former

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Speaker 2: Cardinals linebacker and linebacker coach. Remember we told him we

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Speaker 2: both were from Detroit. Our birth certificates said Detroit, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: He didn't believe us.

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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't believe. He didn't want to. He didn't

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Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't want to, he didn't want to associate.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he feels a very certain culture that he

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Speaker 3: feels we weren't part of in Detroit. That's probably true.

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Speaker 2: We're dorks in his eyes. That's that's just bottom liner.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Uh so, okay, that's good. So basically the

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Speaker 2: bottom line here, Danny is the green bean cast role

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Speaker 2: on your table is perfectly fine. It's sort of like

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Speaker 3: I saw something where that was his best analytically, his

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Speaker 3: And like coming Evan Brown, I was just playing with you.

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Speaker 2: You notice when you open up the Seahawks press release

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Speaker 4: When you look at the numbers going into that game, case,

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Speaker 4: They just had a really good game at home, and

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a good question. Here's my follow up question.

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Speaker 2: Is that true? I haven't take I haven't done the

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Speaker 3: The top five and to takeaways. Top five in sacks

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Speaker 2: And number one in aggressiveness. Right, isn't Brian Flores always

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Speaker 2: He did. Yes, And you had the joint practices two

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Speaker 3: It's incomplete. Unfortunately, Seattle had called for the time out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole sequence, My takeaway was, Wow, Okay, do

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Speaker 2: Guess what, they have a real difficult time winning. So

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Speaker 2: But I wonder, is that game more than a loss

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Speaker 4: You always need to self scout. That's something that needs

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Speaker 4: you're absolutely going to have to look at yourself and

439
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 4: see what was working and what wasn't and what do

440
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 4: we need to change this week going into Minnesota.

441
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Speaker 3: I mean, again, for me, I think it's a legit question.

442
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 3: But for me, ultimately it's going to be how the

443
00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: coaches determine why it got sideways. If you're just getting

444
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 3: whipped up front, I don't know, maybe that's just a

445
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: one off game.

446
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: And I asked this question during the game, and so,

447
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 2: what's the adjustment when a three technique is blowing up

448
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: your interior offensive line? Is there an adjustment? What do

449
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: you do? I'll say this, as far as Trey McBride

450
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: goes and Kyler Murray, as productive as they have been,

451
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: and he's top three among tight ends all year long,

452
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: zero touchdown catches. It's almost like years truly, with a

453
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 2: putter in my hand, the yips, it's almost like Kyler

454
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: sees Trey McBride in the end zone and the yips

455
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Speaker 2: set in.

456
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Speaker 3: Well, there's two examples, now, right there is.

457
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Speaker 2: And obviously that would have changed everything, that would have

458
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Speaker 2: made it a three point game in the fourth quarter.

459
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Speaker 3: Well, and I'll be honest, when Michael Wilson made his

460
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 3: unbelievable overhead catch, I thought for sure that was going

461
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Speaker 3: to end in a touchdown. And that was going to

462
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: change kind of the direction of the game, and for

463
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Speaker 3: them not to get in the end zone with gold

464
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Speaker 3: to go, which was the first time all season of

465
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Speaker 3: that that had happened. Yeah, it just felt like, Okay,

466
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: the offense just isn't do it today.

467
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Speaker 4: The only reason after that spectacular catch by Wilson to

468
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Speaker 4: think that there was a chance the Cardinals could have

469
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 4: turned things around and still have been in that game

470
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: was because of the defense. It wasn't with how the

471
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Speaker 4: offense was playing at times. You just had a handful

472
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Speaker 4: of poor decisions or lack of execution. I mean, that

473
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: was the lowest for the offense. That was the fewest points,

474
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 4: fewest first downs at fifteen, fewest rushing yards at forty

475
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: nine all season. It was just it was not a

476
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 4: good game. And I don't like saying, oh, well, sometimes

477
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: you're just due for, you know, a bad game and

478
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 4: a bad performance to bounce back. We said that about

479
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Speaker 4: Green Bay, so I don't want to sit here and

480
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: say the same Washington, the same against Seattle. Is there's

481
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: a difference between losing games when you're in it and

482
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: sometimes you just make one less play than the other team,

483
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 4: and then there's games where you lose because you did

484
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 4: not play well on your own accord. And that's what

485
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Speaker 4: this is. And now it's up to the Cardinals to

486
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: mentally be able to lock in and bounce back, which

487
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Speaker 4: we have seen them do this season. If you are

488
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Speaker 4: looking for a positive, though, it was it was the defense. Absolutely.

489
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Speaker 3: The number of players that talked and I don't know

490
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Speaker 3: if you've had a chance to talk to any Paul,

491
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Speaker 3: but like the number of players that I talked to

492
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Speaker 3: Garrett Williams, Zavin Collins did it in his press conference.

493
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Speaker 3: A couple other ones like the first you know, you're

494
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Speaker 3: trying to find something positive after the game and you

495
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: talk to him about, hey, you know, you guys played

496
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: an excellent game, and the I mean the first word

497
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: Garrett Williams was like, I didn't think we played that well.

498
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: I thought we played really sloppy. He goes, I think

499
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Speaker 3: it's a testament to our talent that we were able

500
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Speaker 3: to get some things done. But I thought we were

501
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: really sloppy. And I'm like, I again, I don't know

502
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Speaker 3: if could they have been better? Yeah, But and maybe

503
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: it's maybe it's the bar that I hold this defense

504
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: to that I thought they were really, really good i'd

505
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Speaker 3: somebody in the mailbag talk about like they had no

506
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: pass rush, and I'm like, I'm like, I thought they

507
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: made Gino Smith get off his spot lots of times.

508
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons that Seahawks weren't great offensively.

509
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: And in terms of the running game, the Seahawks weren't

510
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: that much better running the ball either than the Cardinals,

511
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: and the Cardinals were terrible.

512
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there weren't many backs I put in the category

513
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: of James Connor in terms of breaking tackles in the NFL,

514
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: you can count him on one hand. Kenneth Walker is

515
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: one of those guys.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was a tough time and he

517
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: really didn't like there was a couple, but for sure

518
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 3: with a few guys. But yeah, I think the average

519
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: less than three yards of carrying.

520
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Speaker 2: Really hurt him more, probably in the receiving game, Kenneth

521
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Speaker 2: Walker in terms of some of the yards after catch.

522
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Speaker 2: But you know, and I had some people say, oh, Paul,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, was it bad energy? Was there not enough

524
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: intensity down there? Attention to everybody. When you go to Seattle,

525
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: it's guaranteed you're going to have the requisite amount of

526
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: energy intensity urgency because walking in there. It's sort of

527
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: like Danny walking into a dinner Thanksgiving dinner party with

528
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of people she doesn't know and holding her

529
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: green bean cast role. It's you against everybody. Okay, it's

530
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: you against the world. That's what it is. There's no

531
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Speaker 2: change now. In the last drive where they went eight

532
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: plus minutes and they had those three third down you

533
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: know conversions, was the defensive front a little gast maybe

534
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: a little bit? Nick Ross referenced that, you know they

535
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, Gino had something.

536
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Happens when they are offenses on the field for eight minutes.

537
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and Gino's extending plays and we get that. But

538
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: you're right, it is amazing how effective the Cardinals have

539
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: been as a scoring defense in particular recently. But to

540
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: hear the players tell it, there's still a lot that

541
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: needs to improve, that can improve.

542
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

543
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Speaker 2: And by the way, is Garrett Williams where is his

544
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: season going? How under the radar is see? I'll just

545
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: tell you. On this week's Coaches Show, Jonathan gannon effusive

546
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: in his praise of Garrett Williams and the sort of

547
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: ball that he's putting on film.

548
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 4: Garrett Williams must really like playing at Luminfield. First game

549
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 4: has worked for the year. Last year he had a pick,

550
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 4: he had another one in the end zone this past week.

551
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: Williams and the rest of the youth of that secondary

552
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: has been really nice this year to see the progression

553
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: on a week to week basis and just the tight,

554
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 4: sticky coverage. They're not drawing penalties. I felt like a

555
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: lot of the penalties were actually on offense. One of

556
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: them the gating what should have been a touchdown for

557
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: the Cardinals. Williams is doing a fantastic job with everything

558
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 4: that's asked of him to do in the second year

559
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: in the defense, and the Cardinals defense as a whole

560
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: has just continued to improve on a week to week basis.

561
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 4: They've given up just five touchdowns since Week seven. They

562
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: are one of the top teams when you're looking statistically

563
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: since around that timeframe when they started to go on

564
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 4: a run right before the bye week. Just continuing to

565
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: get better every week. And that's without Darius Robinson, who

566
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: hasn't stepped foot on the field yet. So the defense

567
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 4: continues to ascend. They are what kept the Cardinals in

568
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: the game in Seattle, and now they have an interesting

569
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 4: test where you've got Sam Darnold, but you've got Justin Jefferson.

570
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: You've got a whole plethora of Madison, of Aaron Jones

571
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: in the backfield of offensive weapons to defend.

572
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Andison just went for eight for one sixty

573
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: two in a touchdown. TJ Hockinson over one hundred yards receiving,

574
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones over one hundred yards rushing. But Darius Robinson,

575
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: you name drop the rookie first rounder, you know, since

576
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: I need a boost of positivity here before we go

577
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: into the wise guy trivia, Darius Robinson, all, please let

578
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: it happen this week. All, please let him be half

579
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 2: of what Leonard Williams was in Week twelve at some

580
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: point in his career, because you understand the value of

581
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: a game wrecking interior defensive lineman. How that can just

582
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: disrupt an entire offense. It can rattle a quarterback, It

583
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: can destroy a run game when you hand the ball

584
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: off and this guy's already in your backfield. And maybe,

585
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: just maybe, especially if you're fighting for a playoff spot

586
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: in late December. Because I'm gonna be realistic, I'm not

587
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: gonna put in the Hall of Fame till at least

588
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: late December. Okay, Darius Robinson, you know, maybe he can

589
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: evolve into that might take him a few weeks, but

590
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: come on, we can daydream at this point, right.

591
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: Well, that's everybody's been daydreaming about Darius Robinson. I think

592
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: at this point it does. I mean, Jonathan Gannon did

593
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: say he's on track to play this week. I would

594
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: expect him to make his debut. Hello, now what does

595
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: that mean? How many snaps? We'll see how that goes,

596
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: assuming he's out there, but yeah, I think it would.

597
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 3: It makes a big difference, unfortunately with your coming off again,

598
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: where you'd rather be talking about how Marvin Harrison was

599
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: going to go off this week maybe rather than Darius

600
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: Robinson because the defense played pretty well. It's the offense

601
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: that needs some kind of spark.

602
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. All I know is

603
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: based on what we saw in a lot of the

604
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: one on ones against starters. I get it. He hasn't

605
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: played since the Cotton Bowl, you know, and that was

606
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: kind of a sobering recollection on his part. You know,

607
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: you realize, but at this point, I'm just stalling before

608
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: the inevitable loss, and I'm going to take over here

609
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: in a wise Guy Trivia. You know, honestly, I think

610
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: this whole trivia thing is negatively impacting my emotional well being,

611
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna play this culture isn't good, then, Paul,

612
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play this under protest. Before we even hit

613
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: the sounder, It's.

614
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: Time for the Wise Guy the World's Bestest Growing Cardinals

615
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: quiz Show.

616
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: The steaks are low. The winner gets absolutely nothing. Here's

617
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: your hostess with the mostess. Daddy's all right, Wise.

618
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: Guy Thanksgiving Week edition, Minnesota Vikings Edition.

619
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Speaker 3: I feel like when they say the winner gets absolutely nothing,

620
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: you should be offering up some green bean castrole.

621
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: Oh wow, what either of you eat it now?

622
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: Probably well, No, I know I've heard some good things

623
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: about your green bean castrole, mostly from you, But yes.

624
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: It's all right, Danny. There are at least two entities

625
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: of rank behind your green being cast role in the

626
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Power Pole, the Jets, and then yours truly in trivia. Okay,

627
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: and I'm sort of like the Jets where I'm lumped in.

628
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like the Jets because your cast role,

629
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: not you. I have two wins, and nobody even knows

630
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: how I managed two wins that's my similarity with the Jets.

631
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: Let's go, well, Darren did get the most recent win

632
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: last week, so he gets to choose.

633
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to defer.

634
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Paul, pick a number.

635
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Pick that ball in the second half, baby, you know

636
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: what I think, because we're going to come out of

637
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: the gates. We're just going to go number one, number one.

638
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: Okay, here we go. In two thousand and three, the

639
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: Cardinals knocked the Vikings out of the playoffs on a

640
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: last second touchdown from Josh McCown to wide receiver Nathan Poole.

641
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: Paul Allen on the radio call which.

642
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: Nineteen to ninety eight Cardinals draft pick was on the

643
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: Vikings defense during that fateful final play of the two

644
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 4: thousand and three season.

645
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I was covering the Cardinals end ninety eight draft

646
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: pick on the Vikings defense. At that time. Ninety eight

647
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: was a class of Pat Tillman. He was the seventh

648
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: round pick. Now, if I could only remember the there's

649
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: six picks, I'd really be in business. Geez, Okay, all right,

650
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: the corner out of Iowa, Tommy uh, Tommy Oliver, Tommy

651
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: Henry dang it.

652
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Speaker 3: First of first of all, the corner you're thinking of

653
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: is Tom Knight? But that's not the night. That's not

654
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: the correct answer because I've I've interviewed this gentleman about

655
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: the mccount of cool pool play multiple times, draft Nasty himself.

656
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: How many radio hits have I done with Corey Chavis?

657
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: And I just fail in the moment.

658
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: Karen, Tommy, Henry, I'll take number four please.

659
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: This former Cardinals and Vikings defensive lineman was given the

660
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: nickname the White Fox by radio analyst Ron Wolfley.

661
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my goodness, I can I can picture

662
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: his locker?

663
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: Is it? This is probably wrong, but I'm gonna guess

664
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: it anyways, Ross Koalagi, that.

665
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: Would be correct. Okay, amazing?

666
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: Is there a are you guys splashing and answers in there?

667
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 2: I mean? Is there is there a prompter?

668
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: Can it be accountability? Paul?

669
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: Is he hacked into the database?

670
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: Ross Kolaji, who I believe ended up at the as

671
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: the strength coach at the University of Pittsburgh with James Connor.

672
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: If I if I call reading a recent article correctly.

673
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: If there was a minor leagues of wise guy trivia,

674
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: I'd be sent down right now. This is not trending well, honestly, question.

675
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Two or three?

676
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: Oh, idea, how I.

677
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Remember offense office, let's go too. I'm just gonna go

678
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: in order just take my beat down like a man.

679
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: Here we go.

680
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: Number two. Now, usually you like to blame me because

681
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: you don't pay attention to numbers and years. So there's

682
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: a lot in this question.

683
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: So yes, lock is focus. Add Here we.

684
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: Go, Paul. In the nineteen ninety eight playoffs.

685
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: Not that it will help, but I'll lock in. Here

686
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 2: we go.

687
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 4: In the nineteen ninety eight playoffs, the Cardinals magical season

688
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: ended in the NFC Divisional Round at Minnesota.

689
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: I was there. It was fifteen below. If I don't

690
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: get this right, I'm walking, Alex. Move away from the door.

691
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. Here we go.

692
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: The following week, the Vikings were upset by the Falcons

693
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship. Oh yeah, this Vikings kicker, who

694
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 4: had made thirty nine consecutive field goals, missed a thirty

695
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: eight yarder with two eighteen to play, opening the door

696
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: for Atlanta's come back win.

697
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I have this. Morten Anderson?

698
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: What Gary Anderson?

699
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Gary Gary Anderson?

700
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: Who spells son Morten Anderson? The greatest Danish football player

701
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: before yell the fro Hole spelled it with an E.

702
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: We don't give half points, Paul, you needed first and

703
00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: last name.

704
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: I have half a mind to walk one hundred yards

705
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: that way into the locker room and see if yelled

706
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: to fro Hold is around, just to give Darren a

707
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: beat down, just just to give him a headlock and

708
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: wrestle them to the ground. Yelled to fro Hold style.

709
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: Let's let's do these last ones for fun. Okay, here

710
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: we go, because I'm having fun.

711
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm having lots of fun.

712
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: To hire the Danish Viking to take it out on Darren.

713
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: This one time Vikings wide receiver signed with Arizona in

714
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: two thousand and six and scored the first Cardinals touchdown

715
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 4: ever recorded and what is currently known as State Farm Stadium.

716
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was there too.

717
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 4: You're always there, Paul. Troy Walters correct a two yard

718
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: touchdown catch from Kurt Warner cook Day should do the tiebreaker.

719
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: Since everyone's having fun.

720
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: Darren, are you taking this number one? Are you taking

721
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: some sort of memory boost like supplement? Say something, I

722
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: mean is there? Like I mean, as my wife.

723
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: Well knows, I know all this garbage in my head?

724
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: Could I give you the names of like all my cousins,

725
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: or could I remember all the birth dates of my family? No?

726
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: Well that's not important.

727
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: This is pretty sad. Tiebreak is the white fox.

728
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: Here we go, closest to the number wins? Pick up

729
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: the pen, let's go. Okay, it's okay, it's.

730
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Pick myself up off the floor. Is what I need

731
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: to do?

732
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: In nine pretty dominant, I'll be honest.

733
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: In nine games played against the Vikings, how many receptions

734
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 4: did Larry Fitzgerald have against his hometown team?

735
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Nine games?

736
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: Nine games? Okay, I'm just going to assume, since you

737
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: didn't ask this sweek, that Darren does not want to

738
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: do winner takes all hell. No, okay, Paul, what answered the.

739
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: Number of Chuck Foreman? Forty four?

740
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: I almost sixty one?

741
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: Fifty five? Damn it, closest.

742
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: I actually wrote down fifty five and then scribbled it out.

743
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't even matter who's closest, because Darren won.

744
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: He's whining about not getting the bonus question.

745
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: Darren is now eleven and two.

746
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: He went four to oh, and he's whining because he

747
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: didn't get the bonus question. He's that student in the

748
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: math class, and nobody likes.

749
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: I know.

750
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: He leaves the math class afterwards because he didn't get

751
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: over one hundred on the exam.

752
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: First of all, I sucked at math. That's why I'm

753
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: a writer. Speaking of dominant, he gets an atomic wedgie

754
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: in the hallway. I again had the best week and

755
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: picks at eight and four, which is not a great week.

756
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: You sick of hearing about these, But Paul.

757
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: And Danny both went seven and five, so I picked

758
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: up a game. So now my overall record one thirteen

759
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: and fifty five, Paul one eleven and fifty seven, Danny

760
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: not quite to one hundred yet, ninety eight and seventy.

761
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I need to stop picking these games with

762
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: my heart and stop picking my brain because I despise

763
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the time.

764
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: Ever is playing the Jets at this point.

765
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: I see I picked the Bears this week. That was

766
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: a mistake. I picked the Steelers.

767
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: That I picked Washington over Dallas.

768
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: Oh I know I picked Washington. Well, yeah, there's three

769
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: of my four losses.

770
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: It really hurts. As I had Cleveland on Thursday night

771
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: football because they had won six out of seven against Pittsburgh's.

772
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: I got Thursday and in Cleveland bobs like oh yeah,

773
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: and then I didn't hit send for some reason, I

774
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: got torn away from the computer. When I went back

775
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: to it, i'd seen in between that they were minus

776
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: their two offensive tackles, so I changed and then sent

777
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: it in what's the rule in school? Like always go

778
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: with the first answer, don't go back to your scantra

779
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, anyway, just another in a line of

780
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: easily lame excuses. So uh, back to week thirteen and

781
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: the reality check that will be Minnesota weather, which we

782
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about this week because it is

783
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: a dome, So I don't even care how cold it is.

784
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: It is a dome. But you you're gonna have to

785
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: It's not like we walk the a terminal. You will

786
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: be getting off the plane, and I'm assuming it'll be

787
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: dark by the time we get there, so it'll be

788
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: about ten degrees Paul, right, So I would still wear

789
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: a coat if I were you.

790
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: If I can handle four hours in the sideline and

791
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: mentally get through that, then I can handle four minutes

792
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: getting between the plane, the bus and the hotel. So

793
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: I consider myself unlike wise Guy Trivia, I consider myself

794
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: equipped so well you know, we'll see.

795
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: I'm excited. This is my favorite stadium to visit.

796
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: I can't believe the Cardinals have not won in Minnesota

797
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy seven. Oh, for the last eleven in Minnesota.

798
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: Including the ninety eight playoff game.

799
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: That is a no comprendo right there.

800
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: And I think one of those games was still in

801
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: Saint Louis and then they moved to Arizona and solarist

802
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: them in Arizona, and yeah, it's it's not been. I

803
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: mean there's been close games, but never never a win.

804
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: So this would be kind of a big deal. Obviously.

805
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to add this to our our concert t

806
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: shirt that we're putting out. It's Revenge Tour twenty twenty four.

807
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals. They took care Sean McVay, and the Rams

808
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: took care of Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers

809
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: ended that losing skid. They still have another shot at

810
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: the Seahawks because they've now lost and now you're telling

811
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: me they're old for the last eleven in Minnesota. So

812
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm putting Minneapolis on the concert teak right now. Revenge

813
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Tour twenty twenty four.

814
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: I gotta ask.

815
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

816
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: I know you were saying you're inside blah blah blah,

817
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: but you also just mentioned the Cleveland game, which I'm

818
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: sure you watched, just like all of us watched, with

819
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: the beautiful snow coming down?

820
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Right?

821
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: Is should all all? You know, Kurt Warner thinks all

822
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: these games should be in domes.

823
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: No, okay, here's my take on this, And this is

824
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: for many years of experience from really, you know, being

825
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: on the on the wrong end of a lot of

826
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: these weather games. If it's a playoff game, it's too

827
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: much of an advantage. I do consider it an unfair advantage.

828
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: You can say, oh, I get home field advantage. I

829
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: get it. But when Miami had to go to Kansas

830
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: City last year and it's fourteen below or some sort

831
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: of historic low temperature and ice, it's almost dangerous for

832
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: these guys for their lungs. I mean, it's just you

833
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: don't find out who's the better football team. You just

834
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: find out who's better at surviving the elements. And that's

835
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: what I don't like that.

836
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: That's fairs. You don't want to play against the elements.

837
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: That's why you get home field advantage.

838
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Paul it's always that. It's always the response. I don't

839
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: necessarily okay, I look.

840
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: I say this. Look when you are living or playing

841
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: in a place like Kansas City.

842
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, I thought the ruth the control

843
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: room was supposed to be neutral could.

844
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: By Pittsburgh, Philly, all of these cold weather places that

845
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 4: don't have a dome. That's because that is what the

846
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: city wants and the city likes, and fair or not,

847
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: what the fans want to a certain extent does play

848
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: a role in what the stadium looks like, and it

849
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: does create an advantage long before playoffs for the home

850
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: team playing there and being used to those elements. And

851
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: that's what many would describe as quote unquote football weather.

852
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: Like I said, now, I'm very glad that the Cardinals

853
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: played somewhere that has a roof. Both can be true.

854
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't. I don't want to be somewhere where

855
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: it's there one hundred and twenty degrees without a roof,

856
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: or its minus twenty without not.

857
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: Only do you have a roof, but you have a

858
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: natural turf field, you have natural grass, and so that

859
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: is truly the best of both worlds. In my opinion,

860
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: I think there's only fourteen NFL venues now that have

861
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: natural grass. Like, if I'm a player and I'm considering

862
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: two teams in free agency, do you want to go

863
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: out on the met Life turf which has that horrendous reputation.

864
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: Probably not?

865
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: Or would you rather play at State Farm Stadium.

866
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: I mean, my knees hurt just walking across my rug, right,

867
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: So so that I'm old.

868
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: You know to me once again, when you work your

869
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: whole season, you've been grinding since July, and you get

870
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: to the actually the apex of where you've been striving

871
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: to get a playoff game, and all of a sudden,

872
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: it's fourteen below and the field is covered in ice.

873
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: For example, at Carolina the NFC Championship game. Yeah, that

874
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: was an ice rink. I mean that field was so slick,

875
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: and it's just disappointing because with the Cardinals have won

876
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: that game against cam Newton that year. Probably not, but

877
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: you didn't really in my mind, you left that field

878
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: after four quarters and you didn't get a a legit answer.

879
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 4: That's why you're not going to see a super Bowl

880
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 4: in Green Bay, in New York, in Philly.

881
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: Well, you've seen one in New York already. We have

882
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: had one.

883
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: More times than not. I guess I said, because they.

884
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: Never never understood well I will. I will say that

885
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: as somebody who sat on the couch watching the Cleveland

886
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh game. I thought it was glorious. I understand why

887
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: people wouldn't want it. I understand that it might not

888
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: be fair, but it's so good on television, especially in

889
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: the days of beautiful four K cameras.

890
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, lake effects, snow and big snowflakes and the whole thing. Yes,

891
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: it's uh, I mean, it's why sports is the original

892
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: reality TV.

893
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: By the way, Danny who is first in line in

894
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: the Jameis Winston fan club, you know, he was miked

895
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: up for that game and the Browns had like a

896
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: fourteen minute miked up with James Winston. It was unbelievably great.

897
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: It was right up there with the Ken Burns documentaries.

898
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: My favorite part was when they got a mic up

899
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: and see I don't know if all teams would allow

900
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: some of this stuff to go through, but there was

901
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: one point where he went up to the line of

902
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: scrimmage to try and get the Steelers to jump, and

903
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: they played like the whole sequence of him, you know,

904
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: barking out the signals and at the very end when

905
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: he at the very and he's like, damn, can't somebody

906
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: just jump off sides?

907
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: Well, Buddha Baker is miked up for this week's Wired.

908
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: So whenever that's gonna be out, that's good stuff coming

909
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: from Seattle.

910
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: So you'd rather have it happen in a wine.

911
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: So, by the way, here's my stat I'll leave you

912
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: guys with all right, speaking the Lions, thanksgiving the whole deal,

913
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: you realize they have swept the AFC South by a

914
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 2: combined score of one fifty four to forty nine.

915
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: The Lions have.

916
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: Have swept the entire AFC South four wins against all

917
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: four teams by a combined one fifty four were to

918
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: forty nine.

919
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: So they're good.

920
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Detroit against the NFC West, they beat the Rams

921
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: in overtime twenty six to twenty, beat the Cardinals by

922
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: just seven twenty to thirteen, and they beat the Seahawks

923
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: forty two to twenty nine. So for everyone who's looking

924
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: at the NFC West and saying, uh, mediocre football, hang on.

925
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: First off, the NFC Wes has had to play the

926
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: NFC North this year. Plus they're beating up on each other.

927
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: These teams, for example, Minnesota against the NFC West, as

928
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: we mentioned, they beat the Niners, lost at the Rams,

929
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: and they still have to play the Seahawks in week

930
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: sixteen nine, And you know, with Sam Darnold and all

931
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: these career numbers, and once again I got to see

932
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: it to believe it. I know I was proven wrong

933
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: by Gino Smith and Seattle was kind of sounding the same.

934
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Where are you the storyline last week?

935
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: Yep, Gino Smith wasn't very good.

936
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 2: He was good enough at extending the plays and keeping

937
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: his eyes down kill and keeping the defense.

938
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: Well.

939
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: I really feel kind of bad for Paul. He spent

940
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: how much of his off season talking about JJ McCarthy.

941
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: What was your line about the fourth QB in the draft? Oh?

942
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: What was the line about that?

943
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: My goodness, everybody was going to move up and then

944
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: somebody's on the trade with the Cardinals.

945
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, the fourth QB was going to be

946
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: the ticket for the Cardinals. What was the saying? See,

947
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: this is just once again I see on there here apropos.

948
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: This is apropos of my wise guy trivia performance right here,

949
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: short term.

950
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: Memory, get to see McCarthy.

951
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: Are you disappointed about that. No, JJ McCarthy. No, here's

952
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: the thing, ja for Paul, JJ McCarthy was just a pawn.

953
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: It was just a pawn in his draft. Here's whatever.

954
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm disappointed by.

955
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: Let there be a fourth QB thing.

956
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: Somo, there you go, thank you.

957
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: Uh oh, I was listening.

958
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: He owed me that one because earlier he's playing applause

959
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: to coincide with Danny's take.

960
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: A better take.

961
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Paul, you know what I'm really disappointed about is I

962
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: and cash in on draft day the first round because

963
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: the over under in the sports books was first round

964
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: quarterbacks four and a half.

965
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

966
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: It was the biggest absolute ever that there would be

967
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: at least five first round quarterbacks including JJ McCarthy, Bo Nix,

968
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix right obviously, and then Caleb Williams and Drake

969
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: May and Jade and Daniels. There were six and the

970
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: over under was four and a half. I mean, that

971
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: was easy money. That was like mortgage city right there.

972
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, you know for somebody who doesn't gamble.

973
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I know that is because when I

974
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: went on that day on Wolfen and Luca actually cited

975
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: that stat That's the only reason I know that stat anyway,

976
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: any other it is Thanksgiving dues and don'ts you know, Danny,

977
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: any other advisories for a couple of Neanderthals like Paul

978
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: and Darren. You know when it comes to Thanksgiving anything

979
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: that we need to know.

980
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: Wear stretch of pants so when you go back for

981
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 4: second you're not uncomfortable.

982
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: Here's my how many helpings of green being castrole?

983
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Do you eat?

984
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: I'm not planning on having green bean cast role this

985
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: year because I don't think it's going to be the

986
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving I'm going to.

987
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 3: And so is there like a hole in your soul

988
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: when you don't get that?

989
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: No, I'll be okay, I think.

990
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: So I took you know, Danny, you've asked a few times,

991
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: and I know you're not asking. He're about to give

992
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: you an update anyway. Cheeto, Cheeto, Cheato. So I try

993
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: to convince my wife and daughter that our dog is fat,

994
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: but it's not.

995
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: You've showed me a picture.

996
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: No no, I So I took Cheeto and I said,

997
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: everyone gather around. I put Cheeto in front of the

998
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: mirror and I said, everybody, go look at Cheeto. I said,

999
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: now look at the picture that I took of Cheeto

1000
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: the first week we had him, which is about six

1001
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: months ago. It's like before and after.

1002
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 4: Did you rescue Cheto?

1003
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: He is fast now that he has Turkey.

1004
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 4: Right now, it's a stable home and a roof over

1005
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 4: his head and family members who love him and want

1006
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: to give him treats.

1007
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: So gonna are you gonna get it? Ozempic for holidays?

1008
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. You know what, Darren,

1009
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to add that to my list. I've always said,

1010
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: and I've been saying this for twenty years, the fastest

1011
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: way to a billion dollars is off the backs of

1012
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: pet owners.

1013
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: It's very smart. So actually, Zempic for dogs.

1014
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: There you go, that's our idea. Plus. See, my original

1015
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: idea was a fat farm for dogs. I'm gonna open

1016
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: up a fat farm for people to bring their dogs.

1017
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: It's funny you bring that up a weight loss clinic.

1018
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: I literally and this is this is not nearly as

1019
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: funny as Ozmpic for dogs. I just saw an article

1020
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: that was talking about price gouging in the veterinary field

1021
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: because people will pay whatever it takes for their pets,

1022
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: and so prices have gone out of control for vet services.

1023
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 4: When I was growing up, one of our family dogs, Buster,

1024
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: who was just so perfect, was like really sick. And

1025
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: he was a small dog. Stop living ball. This is

1026
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: a sad story. Now I'm laughing, had like a really

1027
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: large tumor and he had cataracts in. It was very

1028
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: he it was very clear he lated a few more

1029
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: months left in him. And my sisters and I were

1030
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: in all seriousness asking my dad to get him cataract

1031
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 4: surgery because we felt so bad that he might not

1032
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: be able to see well, and my dad was not

1033
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 4: having it.

1034
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: You know how you solve this? Don't get a dang

1035
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: pet what No, no.

1036
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: No, you know what. That told me a lot about

1037
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: your personality. It just confirms a lot.

1038
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it's the downside is just too great.

1039
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: No, the upside is far greater.

1040
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: The price gouging, by the way, does not shock me,

1041
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: because what is a fair price in a free market,

1042
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: capitalist society. What the market will tolerate, that's the problem.

1043
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: That's how prices are set. I went, we were at

1044
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: this party last year, and the and the and and

1045
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: she's a physician herself, she's an MD. She's telling us

1046
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: how her dog had three ACL reconstructions, three different legs,

1047
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: a torn acl and I'm like, poor dog, Really, were

1048
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: there really torn acls and dogs twenty years ago? Or

1049
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: is that something that's just sort.

1050
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: Of You are both weighty?

1051
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: How are they supposed to get back to the starting rotation? Now?

1052
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 3: I will say this as long as we're talking about pets, Okay,

1053
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: I get it. If you have a seeing eye dog,

1054
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: I get it. If there's a service dog, what in

1055
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: the living And I want to be bleeped so bad

1056
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: right now? Is up with all these other idiots who've

1057
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: decided taking dogs into the damned mall or stores is cool?

1058
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: And with all due respect to my fine sister in law,

1059
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: she's one of them. Why why is this right? What

1060
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: are you doing?

1061
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: I don't do that.

1062
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 3: Why are you even bringing I understand you don't want

1063
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: to leave your dog in your car. Don't bring your

1064
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 3: dog shopping, for God's sake.

1065
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: The other shocking happening with Cheeto Danny is when he

1066
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: does go in the car, which is far more than

1067
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: I've been led to believe. Uh, behind my back, travel

1068
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: in the car, car, guy, I don't want the dog

1069
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: in the car, okay, thank you? And I'm looking for

1070
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: the guy who keeps Dore Dingy my car in our

1071
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 2: parking lot. Here, that's a separate podcast. Cheetoh apparently now

1072
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: will no longer ride in the back seat. He has

1073
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: to ride in the front seat.

1074
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: He probably needs air on his face.

1075
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: Does he put on a seatbelt?

1076
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: They make those for dogs?

1077
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 3: Well, there you go, seatbelts for dogs.

1078
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: I've just said, already make those.

1079
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: They see somebody somebody already made our billion dollars there

1080
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: and there you go. If there's seatbelts for dogs, there

1081
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 2: can be ozepic for dogs.

1082
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: Green being castrole for dogs.

1083
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 4: I think I know how you feel about people who

1084
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 4: put their dogs in strollers.

1085
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: So we started with Charles Dickens and goes to Christmas

1086
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: past and so we'll end that way full Soracle, darren

1087
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: S Scrooge, bah humbug, And that'll do it for this

1088
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 2: edition of Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation