1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna be focused on our own military readiness in 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: the Indo Pacific because our national security interests are so highs. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: You have a betty important commission to our company. It 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is the Ukrainians that are making the final decisions when 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: it comes to operations. Floomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Perspective from DC's top names. This is an extreme threat 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to our democracy, to our freedom, to our right. This 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a peek into the closing arguments. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm curious how he'll weave then what has actually been succession? 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: more games begin in Russia. Welcome to the fastest hour 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: in politics, as Moscow teams up now with China and 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: India for major military exercises the last next week in 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Russia's Far East. We'll discuss what this means for the U. S. 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: China relationship with John kurve Be of the White House 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: National Security Council. Just today, after Taiwan shoots down a 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: Chinese drone, Analysis from our panel, Bloomberg Politics contributor, Republican 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: strategist Rick Davis along with Democratic strategist Joel Pain. This 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: hour later, we'll look at the job at hand for 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: President Biden tonight as he prepares to address the nation 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: in prime time. Political analyst Lincoln Mitchell joins US from 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Columbia University. First, it was China's war games around Taiwan. 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Now it's Russia teaming with China and India for war 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: games that include fifty thousand troops, more than a hundred 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: forty aircraft in sixty warships in Russia's Far East in 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: the Sea of Japan. This starts today and these exercises 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: have been held before, but they take on new meaning 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: with the war in Ukraine, with China's outrage over Nancy 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Pelosi's visit to Taiwan and the deteriorating relationship there. I 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: talked about this today with retired Admiral John Kirby, spokesman 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: for the Y House National Security Council, started by asking 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: him how the US was interpreting this display of force. 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: Nations have to decide for themselves how they're going to 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: look after military readiness. But we've been very clear now 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: is not the time to be treating Russia in any 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of normal way, and certainly not in the way 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: that that they could glean improve military capabilities from that interaction, 39 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: such as an exercise like this. Uh, we were mindful 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: of the exercise. Obviously, we'll watch it as close as 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: as close as we can, But we're gonna be focused 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: on our own military readiness in the Indo Pacific because 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: our national security interests are so tied to so many 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: other allies and partners in the region, Partners who are 45 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: worried about China's increasing aggressive and course of behavior, Partners 46 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: who are worried about what Russia is doing in Ukraine. 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: So we're gonna stay We're gonna stay focused on our 48 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: own military readios. Knowing that Iran is now providing drones 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: to Russia for use in Ukraine. What do you make 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: of this idea of China, Russia and Iran as the 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: new Axis. I don't think we're describing it in that way. Look, 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Russia realizes that it's been further isolated and ostracized as 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: a result of what it's doing in Ukraine by so 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: much of the international community. So they're turning to those 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: few countries that they can turn to for assistance, turning 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: to Iran, is indicative not just of how isolated they 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: really have become, but how much Iran is isolating itself 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: further from the international community by being willing to provide 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: these kinds of capabilities to Russia. And look, we're concerned 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: about those capabilities. Of course, it's just further evidence that 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Putin wants to kill more Ukrainians, which is why we're 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: gonna stay focused on making sure that we're arming the 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: Ukrainians with the kind of capabilities they need to beat 64 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: back Russian offensives inside their own country. India is also 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: taking part in these exercises. As we mentioned, Admiral, it 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: seems to be still sort of straddling the line on 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Russia's war with Ukraine. They have put on hold plans 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: to buy some weapons and cooperate militarily with Russia, but 69 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: now we have them taking part in these exercises. As 70 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the US expressed disappointments with India's leaders for their taking part, 71 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't talk about diplomatic discussions here. Every nation 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: has to make their own decisions. That India has got 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: to make its own decisions about its bilateral relations with 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: other countries, and certainly countries that it's going to exercise 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: militarily with I would just say what I said before. 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: We don't believe that this is a time for business 77 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: as usual Russia. We certainly don't believe it's a time 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: for any to anybody to be helping them with their 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: military capabilities. Well, I know you've sent that message to 80 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: China repeatedly here, and we understand trade between China and 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Russia has increased in value by about thirty percent this year. 82 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: At what point will the US start considering secondary sanctions, 83 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: Admiral Well, I don't want to get ahead of any 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: decisions by the President one way or the other. Uh. Look, 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: China has a choice to make uh and UH. They 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: can either choose to join the rest of the world 87 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: UH in condemning what Russia is doing in Ukraine UH 88 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: and not helping him continue to kill innocent Ukrainians going forward, 89 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: or they can just uh, you know, to to assist 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: that effort. We we hope that they'll they'll make better 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: decisions going forward. In the meantime, We're gonna stay focused 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: on making sure Ukraine can succeed on the battlefield and 93 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: that Mr Putin continues to suffer severe costs and consequences 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: for what he's done, and he has his economy is 95 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: in tatters. He is not able to, for instance, regenerate 96 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: precision guide munitions on the battlefield the way that he 97 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: wanted to, and now he's forced to turn to Iran 98 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: for unmanned aerial systems. So it's having an effect. This 99 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: pressure that's being placed internationally on Mr Putin, it's having 100 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: an effect on him. And we're going to continue to 101 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to to raise those costs for for Mr Putin. John 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Kirby talking with us from the North lawn of the 103 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: White House earlier today. We talked about a number of 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: issues tied to national security, and we're gonna walk through 105 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: them over the next few minutes here with our panel 106 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contribute to. Rick Davis is with us along 107 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: with Democratic strategist Joel Paine, former director of African American 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: Advertising for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Rick, I'm gonna start 109 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: with you here as we have what appears to be 110 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: kind of a new level with China, Russia, India, fifty 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: thousand troops. The numbers here, this is big stuff. A 112 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: hundred and forty aircraft, sixty warships. How should the US 113 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: be viewing this. It's supposed to last a week, and 114 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: is it not a different level than the last time 115 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: they did this? Well, I think that everything now is 116 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: a heightened you know, sensible awareness, right, I mean. And 117 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: and there have been a lot more activity on war 118 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: games by the Russians and by the Chinese that are 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: not typically scheduled. These things are usually choreographed with all 120 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: the various countries saying Okay, this is when we'll do yours, 121 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: We'll do ours right after that. Um, And it's it's 122 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: all kind of a an elaborate dance. This is outside 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: of that. And so, uh, China and Russia have been 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: very aggressive with their war games. We've we've seen a 125 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: lot of press around the activity China did just around 126 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: Taiwan recently. And this is just upping the anti So 127 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: it's threatening, it's not good and and and it should 128 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: concern us because the Indo pack, especially India's participation in 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: these games is a great red flag for us to 130 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: focus on. And I think means we need to focus 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: more attention on India. Yeah, well that's right. Uh, India 132 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: is part of this Joel, which is I think very 133 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: troubling for the administration. Following the overtures made. But how 134 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: about China. Look, nobody is going to be surprised by 135 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: anything that Russia does. But isn't this a direct message 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: from China to the West to say, yeah, we've we've 137 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: got our own friends over here. All of this stuff 138 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: is complicated when you talked about the geopolitics here and 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: the safer rattling is always to be taken seriously. But 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: I also think it may be reflects and effectiveness of 141 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: the Biden foreign policy. Um that the work that the 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Biden administration is doing in Russia to pushback on the 143 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine, the work that the Biden administration has 144 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: been doing too for instance, um, you know, try to 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: racket China economically with you know, the Chips Act and 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: other economic news internationally. I think some of what we're 147 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: seeing is maybe a reaction to that, And um, it's 148 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: always to be taken seriously, but it is a part 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: of a big, complicated world. Also thinks reminds us rather 150 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: rick to think about the chance of something going wrong 151 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: when you put that many people, that many pieces of 152 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: hardware altogether in one place. Uh, things can happen, as 153 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: we have seen in this part of the world, all 154 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: of this wealthy. The Chinese drones are flying over Taiwan. Uh, 155 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: this is a more dangerous moment than we're used to. Yeah, 156 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: and readiness goes up. And and but there is good 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: military to military communication, especially with the Indians, uh in 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: the US military. So those channels are open. They're talking, 159 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: they're they're trying to understand what they're trying to accomplish 160 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: without you know, learning anything that they don't want to 161 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: give away. Uh. And and I think right now, even 162 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: though there's a lot of saber lat saber rattling, as 163 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: you said, um, it is not a time where I 164 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: think China has chosen to uh try and create an 165 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: incident with the United States. Everybody I've talked to you 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: says it's not in their interests. They're not militarily capable 167 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: of pulling something like that off. And it's not a 168 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: good time to test this administration. It's still like playing 169 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: with Taiwan though. And we've seen four days in a 170 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: row now drones that came from mainland China described as 171 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: civilian drones interestingly buzzing islands that that that are associated 172 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: with Taiwan, that Taiwan considers their own they've been warning 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: shots until yesterday when Taiwan actually shot one down. This 174 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: is my exchange with John Kirby on that. Well, Look, 175 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: we support Taiwan's right and ability to defend itself. That's 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: what the Tairoan Relations Act is all about. The United 177 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: States will continue to help them defend themselves. We'll let 178 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: them speak to their operations and what they're doing or 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: what they're not doing. But these reports are exactly what 180 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: we've been talking about when we're talking about the risk 181 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: of miscalculation um and rising, the risks of conflict, and 182 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: nobody benefits from conflict. And around the Taiwan Straight, we 183 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: have long said we don't want to see the status 184 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: quo changed unilaterally, certainly not by force. And what you're 185 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: seeing from the pr SEE is an effort to change 186 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: the status quo by flying more over the Median line, 187 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: by by flying unmanned aerial systems in around Taiwan and 188 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: on around the Taiwan Straight and islands. I mean, this 189 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: is about changing the status quo in the in the 190 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,359 Speaker 1: Chinese mind, and we're just gonna we find that unacceptable. 191 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: We're not gonna just abide by that. We're gonna continue 192 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that Taiwan can defend itself and the U. 193 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: S will continue to sail through the Taiwan Straight. Is 194 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: that going to happen again eminently, Admiral Well. I don't 195 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: have any future operations to speak to you. Saw we 196 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: just did that last weekend with two U. S. Navy cruisers. 197 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: We will continue to sail, operate and fly where international 198 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: law permits us to do that. The Taiwan Straight is 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: international waters. So I certainly, without without briefing a a 200 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: specific transit here in the future, I can tell you 201 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to operate where international law permits 202 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: us to do. You have it from the spokesman for 203 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: the White House National Security Council. That sounds like status quo. 204 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: To meet Joel and how careful he is in the 205 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: administration is and addressing this Taiwan issue. Yeah. Look, I'm 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: mean for a long time, our policy has been strategic 207 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: ambiguity around Taiwan, around China. Um. I think the pelosis 208 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: certainly amplifies the pressure on how this is handled. I 209 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: do think. Um. You know what Kirby was saying there though, 210 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: is the administration is not going to back down. I 211 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: think it's important for the President to show that he's 212 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: not intimidated that um, the American forces are going to 213 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: be intimidated by any of these more aggressive actions by China. 214 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: And I also think it's important to demonstrate that you're 215 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: on the right side of history. I think maybe that's 216 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: why the Pelosi visit um was so complicated, because I'm 217 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: sure the President actually agreed with Speaker Pelosi, but his 218 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: role as a president probably precluded him from, you know, 219 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: sharing his full thoughts on it. You're surprised by how 220 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: little reaction there was to China, Rick, and seeing that 221 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: drone shot down, you know, I think it's in everybody's 222 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: interest to make that sort of a ho hum moment. 223 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: And but the message was sent to China that the 224 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: Taiwanese aren't going to sit back and let themselves be 225 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: threatened by this country. No, that's for sure. Rick Davis 226 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: and Joel Payne with us on the panel as we 227 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: review our conversation with John Kirby from the White House. 228 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Coming up, the latest in the war in Ukraine and 229 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: the potential for a demilitarized zone around the nuclear power 230 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: plants where U N inspectors have arrived. It's coming up 231 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: next this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg sound on 232 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. The nuclear inspectors made their way into 233 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the plant. They've actually finished their first day as we 234 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: keep an eye on what's happening in Ukraine. To the 235 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: International Atomic Energy Agency director and a few members of 236 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: an inspection team left the Zapparisian Nuclear power plant after 237 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: several hours they spent inside. The Ukrainian state run company 238 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: that manages the plant says five of a dozen inspectors 239 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: are expected to stay until Saturday. That's where we are 240 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: with things, and that is where I pick up our 241 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: conversation with retired Admiral John Kirby, spokesman for the National 242 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: Security Council at the White House. We'll see how the 243 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: panel can uh feel about this as well as we 244 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: work our way through a number of different stories. This 245 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: is a big win though with we with the focus 246 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: on the war in Ukraine, and I started again in 247 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: this case by asking about Russia's posture in Ukraine now, 248 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: the number of casualties they've suffered and exactly what state 249 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: of readiness the Russian military is in the Russians have 250 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: clearly suffered UH an enormous number of casualties. I don't 251 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: have the exact figure today, and we're we're careful not 252 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: to talk about those numbers too specifically because frankly, it 253 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: changes literally every day. But they have suffered an enormous 254 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: amount of casualties, both killed and wounded. And we know 255 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: that to be the fact because we also know that Mr. 256 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: Putin is going to extraordinary lengths to try to recruit 257 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: and retain soldiers for this fight, even to the point 258 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: where he's he's he's turned into two prisons UH and 259 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: he's up in their recruitment age well into UH, well 260 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: into the fifties. So we know that he's he's having 261 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: a manpower issue. He's also having quite frankly, command and 262 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: control issues on the ground, unit cohesion and morale UH 263 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: and battlefield performance issues in Ukraine by using this largely 264 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: conscript force that doesn't have the same will to fight 265 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: that the Ukrainians do and certainly doesn't have the capabilities 266 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: that they do. We understand that new U N Nuclear 267 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: inspectors have arrived at the nuclear power plant in southeastern Ukraine. 268 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: This is something that has been long and coming. I 269 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: know that the US wanted to see this happen, should 270 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: the US also take part in setting up a demilitarized 271 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: zone around that plants. Admiral the President has been clear 272 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: we're not going to have US boots involved in the 273 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: U S troops since sorry involved in the war in Ukraine, 274 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: so I see no role for the United States and 275 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: in creating a demilitarized zone around that power plant. We 276 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: do want there to be such a demilitarized zone around 277 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: that plant. We don't want to see the plant be 278 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: the scene of combat action. That should never be the case. Uh. 279 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: And it's the Russians who have militarized upreach a nuclear 280 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: power plant and we urge and calling them to demilitarize 281 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible. Also, and I'm glad you 282 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: pointed out that the inspectors are there. We're glad to 283 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: see that. We hope that they're given unfettered access, and 284 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: we look forward to their report about the safety and 285 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: the operational efficiency of that nuclear power plant, because again, 286 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: the danger could be so much bigger, not just to 287 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: the people of Ukraine, but but even to the region. 288 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: So it's important that those inspectors are given unfettered access, 289 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: allowed to do their job and to stay as long 290 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: as they need to stay to be able to report back, 291 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: and apparently that will be until Saturday. As we read 292 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: on the terminal with the inspectors continuing their work. John Kirby, 293 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: they're speaking to us again from the north lawn of 294 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: the White House as we reassemble the panel, Bloomberg Politics 295 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: contributor Rick Davis and Democratic strategist Joel Peen. Uh. Rick, 296 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: it's almost like you wrote his answer on the status 297 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: of Russian forces right now, but it really hits home, 298 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: uh exactly. You know how how challenging this could be 299 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: actually for Fladomy Putent's forces to go any further in 300 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine this winter. Yeah, no matter what the disinformation is, 301 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: just look at what he's having to do to man 302 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: a military in the field, right, I mean, this was 303 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: a poorly plan poorly staffed operation to begin with, and 304 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: now the fact that he has to go out and 305 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: recruit prisoners and fifty year olds. I remember being of 306 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: course I felt better than that I do now, But 307 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: you know I'm going to war, no, thank you. I 308 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: don't think I'm ready for that at the moment, and 309 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: you'd hide from that, right, That's something he's got to 310 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: do to be able to sustain that that effort in Ukraine, 311 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: and it's exposing his hand. Well, we've got a situation 312 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: around this power plant here, Joel. You heard Kirby say 313 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: that they'd like to have a demilitarized zone, but of 314 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: course the US can't put the risk of having boots 315 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: on the ground to help make that happen. How much 316 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: of a flashpoint is this going to be? I mean, 317 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: we get a report from inspectors, but that doesn't mean 318 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the Russians are ever going to leave it. I think 319 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: the President has been clear on what his red lines 320 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: are around Ukraine. I think ground forces on the ground 321 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: in Ukraine is a no go right now. And by 322 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: the way, I think that that's supported by the American people. Um. 323 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a heavy disinterest right now in this 324 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: country politically and sending US troops to another country. UM. 325 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: I do think, however, it's very clear that the President 326 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: and that his national security team are all in on 327 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: supporting the Ukrainians. And I do think that that is 328 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: a good balance, the right balances right right now. If 329 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: there's a meltdown, though, Rick, I mean, at some point 330 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: the United States would have to get more involved here. 331 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: That it's not only the danger involved with the with 332 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: the meltdown at the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, 333 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: but it provides an enormous amount of energy to Ukraine 334 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: that is already having trouble keeping up with demand based 335 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: on what China is, based on what Russia is doing. Yeah, absolutely, 336 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: any any kind of event that releases radioactive material that 337 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: plant puts into risk Europe but also Russia itself, right, 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: because that stuff doesn't have borders that they identify, and 339 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: and so you have to hope that that protecting his 340 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: own people has to you know, fall into his decision matrix. 341 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: But you're right, uh, you know, like the threats of 342 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: using nuclear weapons and like the threat of of of 343 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: of weaponizing a nuclear power plant, it does complicate the 344 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: US ability to keep out of the direct fray and 345 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and continue to be the supporter of the Ukrainian people. 346 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: So will consult obviously with our European allies. But it 347 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: could create quite an event. But but there's no self 348 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: interest in his part, right, I mean, like he's got 349 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: to worry about his own country and the impact of 350 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: that nuclear plant, uh, going across border. Rick Davis and 351 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: Joel Payne will be with us for the hour our 352 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: panel today on the fastest hour in politics, as we 353 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: turn back into the US here domestic politics next, and 354 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: President Biden preparing for a prime time at rest to 355 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: the nation. Will be joined straight ahead by Lincoln Mitchell, 356 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: political analyst on the job for Joe Biden. This is Bloomberg, 357 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: all right, Charlie, thanks for just a few hours away 358 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: now eight pm Eastern Time. You'll hear it. You'll see 359 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: it on Bloomberg TV and radio and of course on 360 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: your terminal. President Biden in prime time from Philadelphia. This 361 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: is the big speech. What a wind up we've had. 362 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: If you look back over the past couple of weeks, 363 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: and particularly starting a week ago tonight, that was really 364 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: the warm up here. The President has been testing the 365 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: ultra Maga lines and so forth, never mind the semi 366 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: fascism thing for for the balance of the summer. You're 367 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: talking about ultra Maga Senator Scott, the Maga agenda and 368 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: so forth. But it kind of took on a new 369 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: level last week as the President spoke not only to 370 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: that fundraiser, but before a hall of supporters in Rockville, Maryland. 371 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: Republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security 372 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: They're a threat to our very democracy. They refuse to 373 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: accept the will of the people. They embrace, embrace political violence. 374 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: They don't believe in democracy. This is why, in this moment, 375 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: those of you who love this country, Democrats, independence, mainstream Republicans, 376 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: we must be stronger, more determined, and more committed to 377 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: saving America than the Maga Republicans are destroying America. You 378 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: wonder if he'll raise his voice like that and use 379 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: similar language, because this has been kind of, like I said, 380 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: a gathering storm from the White House. Karine John Pierre, 381 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the Press Secretary, was asked today what we should expect 382 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: and exactly what the President means calling out Republicans and 383 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: so called ultra Maga the way that he sees as 384 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: the maga Republicans are the most energized part of the 385 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: Republican party. Uh. That extreme. This is an extreme threat 386 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: to our demorrow, to our freedom, to our rights. Uh. 387 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: They just don't respect the rule of law. You heard 388 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: that from the president. Uh, and you know they are 389 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: pursuing an agenda that takes away people's rights. We just 390 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: got excerpts from the speech while I was playing that 391 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: for you, very brief Maga forces he will say, are 392 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: determined to take this country backwards to in America where 393 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, 394 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: no rights to contraception, and no right to marry who 395 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: you love. Let's bring in Lincoln Mitchell, Political analyst, adjunct 396 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Associate Research Scholar at the Institute of War in Peace 397 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Studies at Columbia University. It's great to have you back, Lincoln. 398 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Striking the right tone is awfully important here, as this 399 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: appears to be the kickoff, if you will, to the 400 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: general election. Is the president looking in the right direction here? 401 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: He's not talking about legislative accomplishments. This is a maga speech. 402 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: That's right, and it's a tough It's a tough balance 403 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: he has to strike here. If he were just trying 404 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: to do, you know, the thing that will help the 405 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: Democrats the most of the fall, he would stick to 406 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: abortion rights, gun reform, his recent legislative accomplishments, Katangi Brown, 407 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: Jackson on the Supreme Court, and the extremism of the 408 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: Republican Party. But he's not doing that. He's really going 409 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: and talking about the heart of the problem of the 410 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: crisis of American democracy in a way that he has 411 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: not done since really he became a candidate with a 412 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: very few exceptions here or there. And that may not 413 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: be the best political strategy, but it is an essential 414 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: part of presidential leadership. When the country is threatened on 415 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: our democracy, is threatened by foreigner domestic forces, the president 416 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: kind of has to say something. And I think that's 417 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: what's behind this decision by by the President Biden. Yeah, 418 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: the White House has made clear through a senior official 419 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: talking with reporters earlier and will be about twenty five 420 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: minutes long. When you approach this Lincoln from a writing standpoint, 421 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: what do you have in your mind here? Does he 422 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: need to have a couple of memorable lines that become 423 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: sound bites after? Is this about a great arc and 424 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: the speech? What's what's the job for the writer? Well, 425 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: remember when you think about being a writer, a speech 426 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: writer for a politician, you think about who you're writing for. Right, 427 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: So you would make a very different speech for I 428 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: don't know what Barack Obama than for Joe Biden on 429 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic side, right, or Donald Trump or George W. 430 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: Bush or somebody you know. Uh, Biden is not burdened 431 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: by great oratorical skills, right, This is not mary O Cuomo, 432 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: if you can make a dated reference, you know, just 433 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: making some speech that people remember for decades. He Biden 434 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have that in him. What he is good at 435 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: is connecting with people and communicating a basic sense of decency. 436 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: So that's what I would focus on. Come on here, 437 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: we're Americans in America. When you lose an election, you 438 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: put your head down and you work harder the next time. 439 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, messages like that rather than even though as 440 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: a political scientist in me is perfectly fine with language 441 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: like this is a thread of fascism, But I don't 442 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: know that Biden can nail that home the way a 443 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: better orator might. Interesting does he stray off the speech? 444 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Does he look into the camera drop a classic Biden line? 445 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: Or is that just too dangerous? Well, you're asking two 446 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: different questions there. Should he straight off the speech? Yeah? 447 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why I on a on a speech 448 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: of this nature where he's putting a lot of time 449 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: and his speechwriters are putting a lot of time several drafts. 450 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: He should probably stay on on on script. Is he 451 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: likely to stray off the speech? It's Joe Biden, So 452 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: he short answered that is yes, Okay, this is how 453 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, we we try to figure how you're going 454 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: to fill the amount of time now is when he's 455 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: talking about mega Republicans Lincoln. One of the questions that 456 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: came up in the briefing today if found really interesting 457 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: at the White House, as he also encourages the involvement 458 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: of what he likes to refer to as mainstream Republicans. 459 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: How does the White House tell the difference or how 460 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: should Americans interpret this to to draw the line between 461 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: a maga Republican and a so called mainstream Republican. Are 462 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: they wearing different colored T shirts? Or how does this work? Well, 463 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: what Biden is trying to do is to send a 464 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: message to a American voter who maybe a Republican may 465 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: being not registered with with any party, is not a Democrat, 466 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: and say, listen, if you believe in a government that 467 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: taxes less and has less involvement in the economy, if 468 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: you believe that maybe we shouldn't we should have a 469 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: more traditional conventional view of social issues, you still can't 470 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: join in with the Donald Trump's because they fundamentally don't 471 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: believe in democracy. And to not believe in democracies, to 472 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: not believe in America. That's where he wants to go 473 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: with this. The problem is that as an observer looking 474 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: at Republican election primary returns and things like that, the 475 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: distinction between Maga Republicans and mainstream Republicans is one without 476 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: a difference, and we see this in many Republican primaries. 477 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: I'll just point to the one in Georgia for the U. S. Senate, 478 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: which occurred a little while ago, with herschel Walker, as 479 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, won the nomination. Herschel Walker is an altar 480 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: of Maga guy. I think we would all agree on that. 481 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: But David Perdue is also a MAGA guy, right, And 482 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: and there's this. I think the punditry and the mainstream 483 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party desperately wants to say they're not 484 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: all Donald Trump, not all Marga, but marga. The MAGA 485 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: movement has captured the Republican Party, and I can't quite 486 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: come out and say that they're right exactly. These are 487 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: some fine lines, Lincoln, Great to talk to you again. 488 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Lincoln Mitchell joining us from the Institute of War and 489 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: Peace Studies at Columbia University. We'll play this to the 490 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: panel next. Rick Davis, we'll have his input here as 491 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: well as Joel Payne, Democratic strategists, with us for the 492 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: hour on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. 493 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 494 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. As America waits to hear 495 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: from the president or is it I don't know, primetime 496 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: presidential address? Does it mean what it used to? Will 497 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: see how the president uses it. Of course, as we 498 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: discussed here on sound On, it will be cut up 499 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: ten ways to Sunday, and it'll be all over social 500 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: media before the President is even back in Washington, so 501 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: people will receive this in various ways of course. Here 502 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg starts eight pm Eastern Time, Bloomberg TV and Radio. 503 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: As we reassemble the panel for more on this, Rick 504 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: Davis and Joel Payne are with us today. Bloomberg Politics contributor, 505 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Republican strategist Rick Davis, Democratic strategist Joel Paine, former director 506 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: of African American advertising for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Joel, 507 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: what do you want to hear as a Democrat from 508 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: this president tonight? Do you want to hear about Ultra 509 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: Maga or do you want to hear about accomplishments made 510 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: in the Democratic led Congress. You know, I think speeches 511 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: all have different utilities based on the moment that we're 512 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: in and what the end goal is. I think it's 513 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: pretty clear to me, Joe, you actually said this earlier 514 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: year conversation with Lincoln. This to me sounds like it's 515 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: a predicate for and I think the president, um, if 516 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: you'll remember when he decided to jump in the primary 517 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen for he talked about the battle for 518 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: the soul of the country. It feels like an interesting 519 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: bookmark that that conversation that he jumped into their I 520 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: think he's you or a forwarding that conversation now. And 521 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: I do think that it's going to lay out the 522 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: rationale for potentially another Biden tournament. Why it's important to 523 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: push back on the anti democratic moves and some republic 524 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Does it compromise Joe Biden's image though, of of being 525 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, the compromiser in chief, of being the bipartisan 526 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: who knows and used to be friends with all these 527 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: Republicans and can actually you know, cut through the partisanship 528 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: and get things done. That was a big reason why 529 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people voted for him in can he 530 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: still make that claim? Well, Joe, when you say all 531 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: these Republicans and actually, again I was listening to your 532 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: previous conversation, I do think he's trying to drive a 533 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: wedge in the Republican Party between these major Republicans and 534 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: the mainstream Republicans. I think there's about fift the Republican 535 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Party that the president feels like he can reach. That's 536 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: the audience for speech like this and so um. I 537 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: actually think it's very strategic for the president to try 538 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: to separate the folks on the Republican Party into people 539 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: who believe in democracy and those who don't. People who 540 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: we can work with and who care about the greater 541 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: good of the country, and those who don't. I think 542 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: that's what he's doing here tonight. What do you think, Rick, 543 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: is Joe Biden demand to split to divide the Republican 544 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Party at this time? You know, I don't think he's 545 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: gonna be the man to divide the Republican Party. I 546 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: actually thought he had a much better opportunity after he 547 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: won the presidency to actually legitimately reach out to Republicans 548 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: and try to bring him into the administration. Um, but 549 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: they didn't write. I mean, they're really no high profile 550 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: Republican appointees other than Cindney McCain. And so the reality 551 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: is that there's not going to be a bipartisan initiative 552 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: in the next two years because it does look like 553 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: there's going to be a potentially split government and nothing's 554 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna hit done on Capitol Hill like it did this year. 555 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: So he's already booked some good success with bipartisanship. Now 556 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: it's now it's about the stakes of this election. I 557 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's four. I think it's two. 558 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: I think that Democrats have some medal in their back 559 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: on you know, really taking a hard shot at trying 560 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to keep the House. And the more Democrats I talked to, 561 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: the more I'm not it's not talking points. I think 562 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: they really believe it. And so it isn't a bad platform. 563 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: You know, when you say I'm going to talk about 564 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: the soul of our country democracy to say this is 565 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: the stakes of the election, it gets bigger, right, and 566 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: by the way Republicans care about democracy to you know, 567 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: all the recent polls show that this is something that's 568 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: starting to divide our party and and yet I do 569 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: think he wants to put the context bigger than just 570 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: his legislative achievements. He wants to be about the future 571 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: of our country as a democracy. If Ricky flagged the 572 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: new Quinnipiac Pole with sixty seven percent thinking democracy is 573 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: in danger of collapse, that is a massive majority. It's 574 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: a massive majority. And it's up just under ten percent 575 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: since January. So this is getting worse. It's January, yeah, 576 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: worse than January. And so the reality is that that 577 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: he had, you know, as president. This is something Joe 578 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: Biden had addressed in the past as a candidate. As president, 579 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: he I think feels compelled that this is his job. 580 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: I think he's a true believer in this regard and 581 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: he sees this as a major difference with Donald Trump 582 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: and the MAGA crowd. And by the way, Magat is 583 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. If Donald Trump were gone tomorrow, there would 584 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: know there would be virtually nothing of a MAGA movement. 585 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: It would be like, you know, some of the old 586 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: caucuses that we used to have that caused so much 587 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: trouble for Republicans in the in the House. You know 588 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: what else this poll found this Quinnipiac Pole. Joel is 589 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: the president's rising approval rating. Now we have to we 590 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: have to put this in perspective. He came in at 591 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: fort but it's up from only thirty one percent six 592 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Uh SOVET eight right now is pegging the 593 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: number at forty two percent when you look at a 594 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: couple of different polls here, do you celebrate a move 595 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: like that or is this still a problem that he's 596 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: underwater this close to the mid terms. Oh, Joe, I'm 597 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: a Democrat. We we liked the Meyer in our old 598 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: self doubt right, I mean, we got it. Do Look, 599 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: I do think the trend lines are pointing in the 600 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: right direction for the President and Democrats. And that's what 601 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: I think about with pulling. It's less about the snapshot 602 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: of the moment. It's more about where the arrow is pointed, 603 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: and it's pointing in the right direction. One, the President 604 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: is getting back to talking how the American people are 605 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: used to hearing him. But also there's accomplishments. There's real 606 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: things at the end of the summer that he and 607 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: his allies and Congress were able to put forth and 608 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: put in front of the American people as tangible good 609 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: um you know, returns on the promises of the president made, 610 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: and so I think you're certainly going to see that. 611 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: By the way, the biggest jump, it looks like it's 612 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: from Democrats. The President was very low or pretty low 613 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: comparatively with Democrats. I think he was in the seventies 614 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: in a previous pull and that stuff over that's where 615 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: he's making up. Brown. I have to ask you both 616 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: about what happened last night in Alaska. This is the 617 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: latest special election member we had new York. This one 618 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: was to fill the seat held by the late Congressman 619 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: Don Young. Did you hear who lost? I am a 620 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: mama grizzly and all rear up on my high legs 621 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: when somebody comes after my cubs. Yeah, Sarah Palin lost 622 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 1: to the Democrat Mary Peltola in this special last night. 623 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, Uh, Sarah Palin will live and apologies in 624 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: advance of this whole conversation. She will live on to 625 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: fight another election in November. This is a short term deal. 626 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: But what does it tell us in the wake of 627 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: the special in New York about Republican prospects in the fall? Yeah, look, 628 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's actually I think just as much 629 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: about what's going on with rank order voting, right, because 630 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: this was a quite an election rank choice voting. It's 631 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: an unusual election at regard. But look, I mean you 632 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: could argue that there was a little bit of uplift 633 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: for for Mary in In in the contest. But look, 634 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: most of the polling I've seen around a November election 635 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: that will go through this all over again, is that 636 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: that that this could wind up. Nick Eggage was the 637 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: first one out in this rank order, ranked choice voting, 638 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: and and he may he may wind up be in 639 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: the winter out of the next go round, because Sarah 640 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: Palin may come in third in the current polling that 641 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: I've seen around November. So this thing is a bit 642 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: like a craps game, right, you just keep building on 643 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: numbers until your crap out. And and I'm not a 644 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: fan of rank choice voting. Yeah, well, I mean it's interesting. 645 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: I think jury is out and I think that the 646 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: idea that a uh, significantly read state now has a 647 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Democrat member of Congress representing the entire state is kind 648 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: of novel. We're going to see how how people in 649 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: Alaska like that. Dave Wasserman at the Cook Political Report 650 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: tweeted Joel that Democrats in the House, just increase their 651 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: land mass by a hundred and four percent and one 652 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: special election, because it is Alaska we're talking about. But uh, 653 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of ranked choice voting, I don't know 654 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: if you heard or saw this video as a very 655 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: brief video that was captured by somebody's cell phone of 656 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Sarah Palin when she had learned she lost and she 657 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: was incredulous. If you listens very brief, sol, you know, 658 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: that's all we have on that. But I won't get 659 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: into a debate with you about ranked choice voting. I 660 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: just wonder how much Alaskans hold against Sarah Palin, the 661 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: fact that she quit when she was governor. Candidates matter, Um, 662 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: Local storylines, parochial issues matter. Um, you're you're you know. 663 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: Obviously we're a big audience in New York. Lots of 664 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: people know about those special elections and those primaries in 665 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: New York a few weeks ago, where those local issues 666 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: kind of took precedent over the national storyline. So UM, 667 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if the story here is ranked choice voting. 668 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: I think it's about kind of the local legacy of 669 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: Sarah Palin in Alaska. She was not the most beloved 670 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: figure in that state by the time she departed that 671 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: state and interternational scene, and I think that might have 672 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: a lot more to do with it than m process, 673 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: which I think Republicans be careful that they are poking 674 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: holes the process every time they don't like an outcome. Rick, 675 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 1: was the Trump endorsement help for a hindrance for uh, well, 676 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: obviously didn't help her enough, right and right, And so 677 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure how much of an impact. 678 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she was already going to get all those 679 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Trump voters that that we're willing to vote for Sarah Palin, right, 680 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, I think her image in Alaska 681 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: is much bigger than Donald Trump's image in Alaska and 682 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: and and equally divisive. Right, So, I mean, you know, 683 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he could help her 684 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: hurt her in Alaska. She's a She's a bigger personality 685 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: than he is. With that electric Do you have a 686 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: thought on her chances in November? You know, look, I 687 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: think they're limited. I mean right now, you know, when 688 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: I look at the polling data going into November, you 689 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: know she's she's third, and if she's third, she's first out. 690 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: And so the question is where her votes go, Probably 691 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: the Republican I doubt if any of her votes are 692 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: going to go with a Democrats. So it's a completely 693 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: different election. Uh, just happens to be the same people. 694 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: Great panel, Rick, thank you as always, Rick Davis, of course, 695 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor and Republican strategist Joel Payne. Great to 696 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: have you, Joel. I hope you'll come back and talk 697 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: to us soon, be part of the program again. Former 698 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: director of African American advertising for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. 699 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: The fastest hour in politics. You're ready now for the 700 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: speech tonight, maybe even the cocktail party beforehand. Don't you 701 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: feel smarter? That's why we do this every day on Bloomberg. 702 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: And we'll meet again tomorrow where it is. Labor Secretary 703 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: Marty Walsh will be among those joining us on Jobs Day, 704 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: and I look forward to that conversation. In the meantime, 705 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: check out the speech tonight, will dissect everything and analyze 706 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: it with our panel tomorrow from Washington. I'm Joe Matthew. 707 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg