1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why oh? And look 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: over there? How is that? Culture? Yes? Goodness? Culture racas calling. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I want to get out ahead of this. A straight 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: wedding took my voice this week. It has not I 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: have the universe has not yet given it back. But 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I look forward to the day when I sound like 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: me again. Well, I was just talking to you about 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: hours ago, and you're in vocally you were even more 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: shot than you are now. And I really have to 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: commend your recovery. And you're got the body, and the 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: human body is amazing. Isn't the body one of the 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: most amazing things? Actually, it's a rule of culture. What 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: number is this again? The human body is amazing. It's 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: one of the most amazing things in the world. Talk 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: to us about what brought you to this place? Well, 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: I sort of like, what was that? A straight wedding 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: on Long Island with all my high school friends, and 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: so that you can sort of fill on the blanks there, 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: I ended up ended up sort of wasted, drinking tequila 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: on the rocks with my high school friends at a 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Marriott at two in the morning. So that was how 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: that went. I'm so happy for you that you're able 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: to do this because I think I don't know if 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm speaking for I should just speak for myself. I 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: will speak for myself. I do not speak for me. 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: I won't speak for you or anyone listening. I couldn't 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: do that with people from high school who I haven't 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: kept up within a while. In a while, like, there's 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: just so many cobwebs gossamer threads that we'd have to, 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, just sort of try to dust off. And 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: I look, alcohol is a wonderful social lubricant, as we 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: all know. But I just think great lube, great lube. 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: I just would still be the gun oil of non 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: sexual lubricants. Oh my god, gun oil is sexual. Though, 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: What are you saying so I would say that alcohol 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: is non sexual, Well don't. And sort of what I'm 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: saying there is that gun oil is the lube by use. Okay, 38 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: So that's a bread crumb for the readers. Alcohol could 39 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: be considered a sexual Lubritense in many ways is bowen. 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 1: And that's why I stand you so because they're always 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: thinking outside the box. You have sort of one of 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: those most subversive queer comedy minds, and that's what shoots 43 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: you to the top. For your consideration everyone. I know 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: you get your ballots in hand. Makes me deeply uncomfortable 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: that you talk about this every episode. Now that I 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: think it's funny, and I think it's going to happen, 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I think it's and and then I think it's gonna 48 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: be I don't want to I don't want to talk. 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: It makes me so uncomfortable to think about. Yeah, you 50 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: look really uncomfortable. I'm on the ballot too. It will 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: never happen for me. For the show, everyone, for your consideration. 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, hot Dog. There. The billboards are everywhere in 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles everywhere, for your consideration. Ads are so annoying. 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: It's like we get it, we get it. Um no, 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: but anyway, um I do want to also shout out, 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, the human body is amazing. You know what 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: else is amazing medicine because I am on a steroid 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: right now that allows me to speak to you, my 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: god who and you've got the prescription straight away. He 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: didn't even give me a prescription. This, I'm gonna say it. 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it hot straight doctor at the City 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: m D. And you know I'm on record as not 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: being about City m d s a k A. They're 64 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: like an antibiotic candy store. So I basically was like 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: waiting for him to say, there a chain restaurant. Yeah, 66 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: there a chain restaurant. But what I'm waiting for him 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: to say, here's an antibiotic. Here's a Z pack. I 68 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: don't even really need. I'm not even gonna look you 69 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: in the eyes once. Just here's a pack. Throw it 70 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: at me and get the funk out of here. They 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: gave me a shot of a steroid. It was a gatorade. 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it. It was like 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: a shot of gatorade and there was a steroid in it, 74 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: and I took it. And now I'm on a steroid. 75 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: How does it feel? Fucking fabulous? And he just he 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: is flexed um speaking of steroids and being gay. We 77 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: want to and I'm not saying anything about this NFL player, 78 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: but we want to congratulate this openly gay NFL player. 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: What's his name? Some Carl, Carl, Carl Gibb, Carl Carl gellib. 80 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: I didn't really I I said good for him. I 81 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: said good for him. I guess what does this feel like? 82 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: I I'm having deja boudiculton Underwood in a way which 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: they're not the same. They're not the same person. It's 84 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: not the same situation at all. I'm like, are they not? 85 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean and until until Carl does 86 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: like my favorite Amazon products to help me feel pride 87 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: like that was the funniest I've read in years. Hold on? 88 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: What did it say? Hold on because because because it 89 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: was like, what are your favorite Amazon bias? And we 90 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: should say I did text our group that about it, 91 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: and Boone immediately said, unfortunately a publicist wrote this, but 92 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: I do I which I which very eliminated for me. 93 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: A good job Bowen seeing all the PEPSI cans as 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: it were. Yes, oh no, my go to water bottle 95 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: is Voss. Is there great for me when I'm entertaining 96 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: or when I have guests over. Difference are great for Voss. 97 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Water bottles are great for me when I'm entertaining or 98 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: having guests over. So we can say that sometimes when 99 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: he has guests over, he's not really entertaining. Baboom okay 100 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Reebok Club C eighty five Pride shoes. There's nothing better 101 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: than a fresh pair of white sneakers, and these are 102 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: nothing better. And these are the Reebok Pride shoes. I 103 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: like them not only because they're white, but because they've 104 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: got a little pop and a little and that's essentially me. 105 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I like to be clean, but all also have a 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: little flair and a little dazzle. These are great shoes. 107 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a high coup. It's wonderful. It's 108 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: poetry first to end on. These are great shoes. He said. 109 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I love these because their white. And that's a brave 110 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: thing to say. As they say, and as they say 111 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: the world over. You know, we both had we both 112 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: had very straight um weeks. You at a straight wedding 113 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: seeing a hot straight doctor, me being in what I 114 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: think is maybe the straightest city in America. No, that's 115 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: not true. I was gonna say it's Savannah, Georgia. But 116 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: it's very there's a very gay story that happens there, 117 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: which is Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. 118 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: But I mean otherwise, it's a pretty it's it's bachelorette 119 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: party Central. It's bachelor party Central, and said and and 120 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: and therefore I would say it is a very heteroic city. 121 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Um felt very it was very nice. Was there with 122 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: my sister, my parents, my nieces, my brother in law. 123 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: Stressful to eat out every single meal with two children, 124 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: I will say, two young children. Young But it was 125 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: a lovely time. It was it was, it was you know, 126 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: my sister. My sister had a nice escape from from Atlanta, 127 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: um and my brother in lawn. The were do for one, 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: The kids were do for one. It was nice for 129 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: the for the whole family to be getting together since 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: the pandemic. All I'm saying is I don't think I 131 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: love Savannah unfortunately, and I do have to be public 132 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: about that. Well, you gave it a shot. I gave it. 133 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: I really gave it a shot. Will you'll try anything? 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: Once I took the ghost tours, I learned all about 135 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: the bodies that are buried under every square. I learned 136 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: about the Mercer Williams House. Of course, I learned about 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: the ghost of Flannery Ricconnor, the racist ghost of Flannery 138 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: Ricconnor haunting a house. All of these things. I love, love, loved. 139 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a city for me. And 140 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. I think I needed I need to start 141 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: recusing myself from a narrative of every city in America 142 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: is a good city because it cannot possibly be true, 143 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: because if every city is good, then no city is good. 144 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know? Then, ever, then 145 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: everyone would live in every understanding, you could simply be chaos. 146 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: And we understand the case. Oh, I understand, you understand. 147 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: But I think it's great that we sort of got 148 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: some straight going during Pride months, because the weekend of 149 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Pride is a on us. I got it out of 150 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: my system and and this is going to be a 151 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: stressful week. But we're we're we're strapping ourselves in and 152 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: the straightness ends right now with this episode. I'm telling 153 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: you that right now, the straightness ends right now, especially 154 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: while we bring in our guests. Oh, I can't I 155 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: can't really believe the guests. Do you know what I mean? 156 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: And like you no, I I actually I get exactly 157 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: what you mean. I can't believe the guests, do you know? 158 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: But like when I say the words, I can't believe 159 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 1: our guests? Do you do? You know what I mean? Yeah? 160 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: I do? And I sort of remember us sort of. 161 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: I guess I guess you'd say starting this podcast years 162 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: ago and thinking we'll never get a guest like insert 163 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: the name of guests. Here are guests name. He's just 164 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: he's had probably as prolific of her career as you 165 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: could want. Is an exercise in futility to name all 166 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: the credits and think, oh, yes, we've encapsulated this whole 167 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: man's career. We're not gonna do that. But he's otherwise 168 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: above vo men about town, about the world, owns the 169 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: wonderful Club Coming in the East Village to say that 170 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: that place is your place. The poh my god, I stopped. 171 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I stopped the boards of Club Coming many a time. 172 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: People might remember in the in the grade before I 173 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: was Catherine Cohen's sub whenever she wasn't there, I was there. 174 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: And it was called it wasn't called Cabernet, cabinet, it 175 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: was called Griggio gig and I got it going. And 176 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I think Alan Coming would have been very proud, and 177 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: he would know he would have been very proud. And 178 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: look it's back. We encourage everyone back in New York City, 179 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: if you're visiting, if you live here, to go give 180 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: it a visit. Wonderful shows happening every night, wonderful bar experience. 181 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: He's also the director of the New audible original Hot 182 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: White Heist with an all Stark Beer cast including Cynthia Nixon. 183 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm Rodriguez, Donte Rio, Jane Lynn, Tony Kushner. I can 184 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: say this sentence as if he's not in it, but 185 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: it's led by Bowen Yang, who is a talent, a 186 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: queer talent, but the queerness he supersedes it. You know 187 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. He's he's he's international international star. Wow, 188 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you? And who who else would be 189 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: an international star if not me? Would be our guests? Everyone, 190 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears. Allen Kind Allen, thank you, boys, 191 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Bo and Yang and Matt Rodgers. Wow. We we were 192 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: talking before about how good it's it is to hear 193 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: him say your name, and then he said my full 194 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: name for the first time, and oh boy, it was 195 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: like bad. It's just it's just one worth it worth 196 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: the way. You're joining us from an opal mind, tell 197 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: tell the listeners the readers where you're from. Where you're 198 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: coming from. I'm in Australia and South Australia. I'm an 199 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Adelaide memor artistic director of the Adelaide Cobalt Festival, so 200 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: I'm doing some pop up club comings. Actually such fun 201 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: d G and then we have performers and such fun 202 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: um and then I'm doing my own concerts show at 203 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the end of the festival. But I came here to 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: this place Couber p D And ironically I just did 205 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper's show before you guys. And but it's called 206 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: Couber with a B. And it's an old Opal mining 207 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: town and everybody lives underground because it's so hot in 208 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: the summer. So I'm actually in a hotel that it's underground. 209 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: And you just see these little kind of funny pools 210 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: sticking out everywhere, and that means there's a little air 211 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: hole going down to some little person. There's seventeen I 212 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: know all the facts. The people live in this town. 213 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: Seventy of them live under fucking ground. That there's an 214 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: element of danger here. There's an element of danger. What's 215 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: do you feel safe? One of the thing is I 216 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: can go out into my corridor and look left and 217 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: I can see daylight, so it's not I don't feel 218 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: quite so bad. But that's that's unusual. Yesterday I was 219 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: in an Opal mine, I was in an Opal shop. 220 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm an underground mind. Sorry, an 221 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: underground shop, an underground cafe, an underground cinema. I did 222 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing, an underground church and underground Serbian church. 223 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: This is a whole It's a city of males. It's 224 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: just so weird. It was a weird Serbian priest ranting 225 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: at this little Italian man who was a toutist, telling him, 226 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: who what do you call him? Leonardo da Vinci was 227 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: I nearly didn't know he did well, I don't know, 228 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: he didn't couldn't get a word in edgeways, and I 229 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: just was like, I was about to say, leave the 230 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: boy alone, let let him be, but they kind of 231 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: wandered off. But it was it's been crazy, like you 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: know it. Also, they shot a part of Priscilla, Queen 233 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: of the Desert here is you know that it's got 234 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: that weird out back sort of an industry town where 235 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: the industry is kind of almost gone and they're sort 236 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: of pushing the toutist thing. It's just a mishmash of crazy. 237 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. So then the history 238 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: of the culture doesn't reach down there, and that's why 239 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: this person didn't know Leonard da Vinci. You can't blame him, Well, yeah, 240 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: you rest from it Italy? He was Italy? Is it Italian? 241 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I was like, he's had a little 242 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: Italian boy And if little Italian boys nowadays don't know 243 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Leonardo da Vinci, we've lost something as a culture. If 244 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: the little Italian boys today know Luca better than Da Vinci, 245 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: there's something wrong. There's something wrong show biz. Did you 246 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: see did you see who won the Univision song contest 247 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: this year? It was it was Italy, wasn't it. It 248 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: was Italy with a song with a rock and roll song, 249 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: and the man snorted the line of coke off the table, 250 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: apparently allegedly. And my favorite thing is when he came 251 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: to you know, when they come to win the Univision 252 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: song contests, you have to say something to the world, 253 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and he went, rock and roll never dies. He was right, 254 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: he was right. What do you think of sort of 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: like Eurovisions sort of because I'm imagining you're a fan 256 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Eurovision pivot to sort of not honoring pop music as 257 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: of late, it feels well, I think that was just 258 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: I think that's more like the the Italian one obviously 259 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: was a freak. I think it's the fact that the 260 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: public get to vote now right. I don't think that's wrong. 261 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it should I think it should be 262 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: the weird little judges um and because like the weird 263 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: Little Judges voted that little Austrian, cute Austrian boy with 264 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: the sort of falsetto, which is much more what I 265 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: think of as a Univision winner, and then the general 266 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: public block voted for the Italian rocker alleged Coakheads. So 267 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a big fan of your vision. 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: I've I've I grew up with it. I'm very influenced. 269 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: But I think in my eclecticism and my you know, 270 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: lack of respect for sort of sort of normal pop groups, 271 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: I think you have some quirk and and also my 272 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: embrace of tacky pop songs. That's my thing. I keep 273 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: saying this to people in Australia. My and a club 274 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: coming one of my things about getting older. And you know, 275 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: in my fifties I became a DJ in a barman 276 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: part time. And I think both those things are about 277 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: as you were saying about the lubricant, it's both. Both 278 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: those things are my ways of encouraging people to let 279 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: go and just have fun, not care what people think 280 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: and be and be judged, and so I I think like, 281 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: for example, I put on some Eurovision hits during my 282 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: DJ sets in Adelaide, and I like it when people 283 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: just let go and dance. They're actually in Australia, they're 284 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: good at letting go America so much. And what about 285 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: what about the UK? In the UK ada better? Yeah, 286 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: because they like the whole sort of thing of you 287 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: univision is quite a good sort of metaphor fun. And 288 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: also like you know, pantomime that we have at Christmas 289 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: time where the concept of drag and cross dressing and 290 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: things like that, and our our gender play is much 291 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: more so those things are more in the mainstream culture, 292 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: and I think that helps people. They don't feel that 293 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: they're going to be judged for being too sissy or whatever, 294 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, for when they dance to certain songs. So 295 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Americans are there the struggle, they're the challenge. It does 296 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: feel like the pop when I was growing up in 297 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: like um discovering, like even like the Late night like 298 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: Graham Norton and you know, everything like that. I just 299 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: I was always envious growing up here that the pop 300 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: culture seemed gayer, Like it all just seemed like a 301 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: lot more flamboyant. And then then you know, as as 302 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: you get older and you understand, like you know, the 303 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: government in England and everything like that, it is very 304 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: rather conservative. So I think, like it's probably it probably 305 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: feels maybe it's the grass is greener thing. I don't know, 306 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I think it is to that, but I know I 307 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: think it absolutely right. It is gay. It means it's 308 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: it's queer sort. It means, you know, queerness is more 309 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: in the main stream of culture also, and I just 310 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: think that's something that's. Yes, it's a conservative government, but 311 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: I think over the years just in our you know, 312 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: as like I guess, I mean maybe from Shakespeare's time, 313 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: the concept of men dressing up as women. Maybe it 314 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: comes from that. You know that that's that's partly. I'm 315 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: sure that's helped. But even with race as well, Like 316 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I we often watch um, you know, I've got one 317 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: of those who I shouldn't say this, it's not allowed. 318 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: But you know, those things that you can pretend to 319 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: be somewhere else when you're not, the sort of VPN 320 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: things gives you a fake I p addressed as everyone has. 321 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: You're you're scared about talking about VPNs dangerous now we 322 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: know how to a probably danger Well. Anyway, I watched 323 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: BBC I Player and you know, British show is quite 324 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot and it's so fascinating in the commercials. Grant, 325 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: my husband, I was he was really remarking on this 326 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: that how much more integrated race is as a concept, 327 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: Like it's not like here went in America. Rather when 328 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: he feels like, oh, he is the black people commercial, 329 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Oh, we're doing but there's 330 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: some Asian people in this commercial. Now where it's in Britain, 331 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: it genuinely feels like this is there's it's just all 332 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: mixed and it's just like it's much more I think 333 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: we've gone. It's sort of post trying to be make 334 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: a point about it, and it's just actually reflective of 335 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: of of the culture. And I think I think that's 336 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: the same with queerness as well, actually in terms of 337 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: it being more integrated there. Yeah. Yeah, any time, let's 338 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: in terms of like let's just say racial diversity, it's 339 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: like any time uh, there's a you're presented with the 340 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: image of a group of people, like on a college campus, 341 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: sitting together and it's all different races, like there's something 342 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: about there's something about that presentation that that that suggests 343 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: that it is forced in a way, or that it 344 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: is underlying how diverse this is. But wait, it's kind 345 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: of yes, and it's too aware of itself, and so 346 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: therefore it sort of breaks, it sort of defeats the 347 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: whole purpose of like how right right. I think that's 348 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in America that people do, you know, 349 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting being away from it a little bit 350 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: and looking and thinking that you know, there's a sort 351 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: of way that people know that they and that's what 352 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: was interesting. But the past four years is that we 353 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: we sort of know how we're supposed to behave, for 354 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: how we're expected to behave and what is proper, but 355 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: actually a lot of the time we're paying lip service 356 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: to it and that and you know, doing Trump, those 357 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: that that that didn't that change and people didn't pay 358 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: lip service to anymore. So I think it's good that 359 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: we push these things because obviously there's a long way 360 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: to go and there's a lot of danger ahead potentially, 361 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: but I think we have to find a better way 362 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: of doing it so it doesn't feel disingenuous like that 363 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: you're saying it's actually funny because like literally, like right 364 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: before we going on, I realized there's a connection between 365 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: this week's episode and last week's episode, which is we 366 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: had Busy Phillipson, who's obviously the best friend of Michelle Williams, 367 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: and I was telling her that I saw opening night 368 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: of when you guys did the Revival, and so I 369 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: saw you just absolutely I mean, your performance of a lifetime, etcetera. 370 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: You've heard it when the Tony Award come now all that, 371 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: but you truly were stunning. But I was thinking about 372 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: how I really actually did not know, I said to 373 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: study who I went with, I was I was really bad. 374 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: I didn't understand because I think I had only seen 375 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: the movie Cabaret once when I was younger, and so 376 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand that it was going to be 377 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: as dark as it was and as sad as it 378 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: wasn't as about Nazis as it was, to be honest 379 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: with you, and so I was thinking after, like, you know, 380 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: obviously that musical depicts a culture that is very liberal 381 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: and like sort of you know, seems to be extremely 382 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: progressive and free, and then the darkness is right around 383 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: the corner. So I just that's such an interesting thing 384 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: that it's been a part of, like such iconic work 385 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: that you've done too. That very well, Yes, I think 386 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: I've done, you know, and other other things I've done 387 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: as well. Actually, there by, I feel my thing is 388 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: that don't and I always say this. I was just 389 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: talking about Pride with Anderson Cooper prior. Sorry to keep 390 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: name dropping, but I don't know who that is. We don't, 391 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: so you know, we're not familiar with her. He and 392 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: are part of the Silver Fox mafia were taking over 393 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: the world. But you know about how I feel, you've 394 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: got to be vigilant, you know that because it is 395 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: we are perilous. We're in a perilous situation. Sure, great 396 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: strides have been made, but look how quickly, Look how 397 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: quickly it happened with Trump, when all of a sudden 398 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: trans people are the devil and all these things, and 399 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, all these things have happened, and our rights 400 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: are being eroded, were being eroded in many ways, and 401 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: it's a struggle to get them back. And I think 402 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: that's the fact that that was. And you know, if 403 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: he'd got in again, I am so I was getting 404 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: death threats by the end of the by the in 405 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: the campaign, you know, regularly on on Instagram and stuff 406 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: for posting anti Trump stuff, and I started to feel scared. 407 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: And if he got in again, I was I would 408 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: I would don't think I would have lived in America anymore. 409 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: It would have been very hard. Yeah, I mean it really, 410 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: it really did get to that point where it felt 411 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: like it could be the end of the world. There 412 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: totally and it could be easily like there's our now 413 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: you know that thing definitely that that you hadn't been 414 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: virulently homophobic, but it was definitely obviously on the cards. Anyway, 415 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: We've got to be vigilant, and I think a lot 416 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: of these A lot of the work I've done is 417 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: about that, about sell but here's the situation. Oh but 418 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: look how much it hasn't changed. I did a movie 419 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: called any Day Now about a gay cup in the 420 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: seventies trying to adopt this little down syndrome child, and 421 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: that was about like, it was a beautiful film, but 422 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: it was also when we came to do it to 423 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: promote it, I was thinking, well, you know, it hasn't 424 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: got that much easier. You try from you try adopting 425 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: a child in this state adoption system when you're queer 426 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: these days, you know, there's lots of gay people with 427 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: kids luckily they can afford to have a surrogate or 428 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: got a different route, and so there's we just have 429 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: to be vigilant and not resting our laurels. And I 430 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: think that's what I slightly worried about Pride as well, 431 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: that it's like harrah harah and actually think you know, 432 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe we're should we not have we should we should 433 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: we should hope for the day when we don't need pride. Yeah. Sure, 434 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: Between me and man or friends, we've all talked about 435 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: how the meaning of it or the whole ceremony around 436 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: it is just changes over time in every year, and 437 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: it's like what it even mean. Like I mean, like 438 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: I remember a time when pride was for me. It 439 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: was literally about like, oh my god, like this is 440 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: like the first time seeing like queer people together, you know, 441 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: like and now that yes, but that's what it's good for, 442 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, old you know, assholes like 443 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: they should stop saying things that because it's for people 444 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: who don't have the outlet to do that. And I 445 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: think that's great. I don't have a chance to do it, 446 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and I once I went on a gay cruise. I 447 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: performed on a gay cruise and it was it was 448 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: crazy thing I've ever done. It was like a bath, 449 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: like I had to go down the stairs to the stage. 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: I kind of got on in St. Lucia and they've 451 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: all been on for like about five days, and I 452 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: got taken down to the way the stage was and 453 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: it was all through the little the lower cabins, the 454 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: lower floors cabins, and it was like on every door 455 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: I had, it was like they're almost like their grinder 456 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: profile and every door and the doors open and little, 457 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: you know, little hints of what you might see when 458 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: you went in photographs like the rest the ocean. Totally hilarious, 459 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: and I was a bit like, oh my god, I'm 460 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: just trying to get to the city. Anyway, did my 461 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: concerts and then what I but what I thought was 462 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: lovely about it was that there was people on that 463 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: boat from all parts of America who don't have but 464 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: who don't live in New York and can't go to 465 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: a bar that you can you know, whatever can happen 466 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: in the back room, or or they don't have that 467 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: those kind of options and so it was so exciting 468 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: and liberating for them to be on that boat and 469 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: to feel safe to be able to do all that. 470 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's what Pride is good for. But 471 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: I think my overall worry is about the obviously the 472 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: corporation that you know, the corporate sort of takeover of it, 473 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: and the fact that people think, oh, that's fine, we've 474 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: done Pride. Now, we've done the queers have been we've 475 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: done our service to the queers. This year, we've all 476 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: put on a rainbow hat and got drunk. And I 477 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: feel it's that's that's my worry, that that kind of 478 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: diminishes or perhaps um impedes our progress. Sure, are you 479 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: are you experiencing any promo at all of New York? Like, 480 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: are you, like at all like experiencing anxiety from being 481 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: away from York this particular summer? Not really, because I'm 482 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: having such fun. I mean, I'm basically doing New York 483 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and I'm doing club coming in, I'm dressed in a 484 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: monkey suit, chancing around to Tackie pop songs, banging drumsticks 485 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: and you know, bringing there's great performers here. They are hilarious. 486 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: Do you know hands remember hands? The German. He was 487 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: on American Idol. He's this Australian man who dresses up 488 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: as a sort of in leader hoose and glitter and 489 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: he's he lives nadly, so he's been doing great things. 490 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: He actually did with Henry, he did, he did. They 491 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: did a Tcheikovski Britney Spears accordion mash up. That is 492 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: the most Henry thing. We have to tell the readers 493 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: because they're going to be so excited to know. So 494 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: Henry is obviously a dear friend of the show and 495 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: beloved ex boyfriend of mine, but dear close friend also 496 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: my musical director as well. But he's with you there, 497 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: he's and you said he's on the other side of 498 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: that Opal wall. Yes, he's in. He's come with me 499 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: to the Opal place to couber p d. So he's 500 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: like just a door down and we're waiting for me 501 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: to finish this so we can go on this plane. 502 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: But he's my musicals for the and he does like 503 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: for my concert. But also he's the musical director. And 504 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: we have a band at club coming in the Spiegel tent. 505 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: And what I love is my favorite thing is I 506 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 1: DJ and then the band plays along, and I just 507 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: dance around, and I just I danced for like hours 508 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: on end, and often in a rabbit suit, off in 509 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 1: different suits, and then you know, stuff like that is 510 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: such fun. So I actually don't have for more about 511 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: New York because I feel I'm getting my fill here. 512 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I missed. I love when I 513 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: see the pictures some from club coming. But yeah, you know, 514 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty pretty stated, But I mean, I mean, 515 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: it's a bit nice to get back. You know. I 516 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: often think that having fun as a choice, and I 517 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: have a feeling about you that you make that choice 518 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: to have fun a lot totally mad. Yeah, I absolutely do, 519 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: and I think it's I think it's really interne. I 520 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: think happiness is a choice. Actually, I really do, and 521 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: I think I mean not not that I dismiss any 522 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: kind of rough compression or mental illness. I've suffered that 523 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: myself utually in the past, but I actually, yeah, I 524 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: definitely feel I've I've made a choice to live, you know. 525 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: I I always say this slightly sort of Hallmark cards 526 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but it's true that, like, I have 527 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: great access to darkness, but I choose to stand in 528 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: the light, and I think that's and also that darkness 529 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: helps me in my work a lot. But you know, 530 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: that's why I don't really like actors. I mean, I 531 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: don't really like hanging out with actors, you know, because 532 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: they talked about acting all the time, and I find 533 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: that just to mentally boring. I'd rather just do it, 534 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: do it, go home, go out, and not fun. Years ago, 535 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: I did this play Bent. You know that play is 536 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: about gay people in the Actually I have I've heard 537 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: of the play. Yeah, I don't think. I can't say 538 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: I know it, but I know of it. It's amazing, 539 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: played by Martin Sherman. And actually in a funny way, 540 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: he actually kind of brought to the world's attention the 541 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: fate and the and the lot of career people in 542 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: under Nazism and like. And this is a play about 543 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: a man going to a concentration camp and and pretending 544 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: to be Jewish because you'll get treated better if he's 545 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: Jewish then if he's gay. And it's and it's so 546 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it doesn't end well. It's a 547 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: really bleak play. I did this in London for years ago, 548 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: and I made a point. Oh and it was all 549 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: these boys are also it was totally all men cast 550 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: lots of Nats season blah blah blah and horrible. And 551 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: I was me and this other boy where the people 552 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: in the concentration camp and we and I just knew 553 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: if I did not like leave it behind and have fun, 554 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: I would go demented. So I did. I had to 555 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: actually had the best time, even though it's the bleakest, 556 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: most despairing thing to do. I left, I finished the 557 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: play and I walked off stage and I just like, 558 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: give me a drink? Where are we going? And we 559 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: really And I think that's really important to do that. 560 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: I've heard that a lot, yeah about people that do 561 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: dark work, that they need to mean, they need to 562 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: have aggressive fun while they're doing it. Absolutely. I remember 563 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: Joan Collins if I made drop another name, you know, 564 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: you know Bobby de Niro and John Collins said. John 565 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Collins came, how do you do this every evening? Do 566 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: you give it to? I said, by not talking about 567 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: it afterwards? Johan? Yeah, but how do you do it 568 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: as a Joan? By not talking about it afterwards? So 569 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, I don't want to discuss this. 570 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: You've seen it obviously, it's how sorrowing obviously, like really insane. 571 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: But now I'm not doing that anymore. And I think 572 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: it's like that thing about you have to choose. You 573 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: have to also you can choose to fun, you can 574 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: choose to happens. You can also you have to choose 575 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: when you're not working as well. And I think that's 576 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: something like, you know, like last night in this little 577 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: place in the middle of nowhere that people came up 578 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: to me doing dinner and I was like, oh, no, 579 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to take a photo. I'm actually just 580 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: having dinner with my friend, like and you can say 581 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: it in a nice way that means that you're that 582 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: this is not an appropriate time yes to happen. Of course, 583 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I always say that. I always say 584 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: to people, I'm not going to take a footo of you, 585 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: because if I take a photo with you, everyone would 586 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: see and then everyone would want one and I'd have 587 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: to do this all night long. Thanks so lovely to 588 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: meet you. And they're like, oh, of course, of course, 589 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: And that's actually just taken the time to explain it 590 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: to them and be nice and people really get it. 591 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: That's that's that's beautiful, And I of course This is 592 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: like the time honed thing that you have developed over 593 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: the course of your career. It's like you you know 594 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: how to relate this information to these people. Yes, and 595 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: it's just and the biggest and the biggest thing I 596 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: always think, my mom, because it's just just be nice. 597 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't cost anything to be nice. And actually there's 598 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: no situation that works less well than when you are 599 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: nice in it. So you told me this story when 600 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: we were recording how Wait Heist of when you am 601 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: I allowed to say this when you when you and 602 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: a certain actor on a certain movie went to a 603 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: nude beach. Oh, yes, you can see okay, because this this, 604 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: this is I feel like you're inheriting something from Syrian McKellen. Yes, 605 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: when you guys were shooting X two, yes, where it 606 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: was like Germany or something or was it was kind 607 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: of done in Vancouver, Canada. It was Vancouver and then okay, 608 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: so then so that you guys just don't tell the story. 609 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: I love this story. And the thing is like we 610 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: he came on my podcast that you Didently Coming Shelves 611 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: and he talked. We talked about it because the thing 612 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: each week I have a thing you know that my 613 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: shelf and the thing that there's two things the thing. 614 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: One of the things is a little necklace I've made 615 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: from Hemp that he bought from my dog at this 616 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: new dist beach. And the other thing was a little 617 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: a little bracelet that had my name on it that 618 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: this film that we were working on another film. Actually 619 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the little the daughter of the director, and I was 620 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: making beads with her one day and then and her 621 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: mom said, oh, she's finished the the necklace and she 622 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: wants to give it to you, but she spelled your 623 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: name wrong. I was like, oh, that's charming even more 624 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: it said anal. And anyway, the Ian study was we 625 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: were shooting X men and he's I always think of 626 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: Ian mccammons like a fourteen year old girl trapped inside 627 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: an eighty year old man's body. And he said to me, 628 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're living quite close to each other 629 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: on this place called uh, I can't remember, uh, what's 630 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: it called? Never mind? And but it was near the beach, 631 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: and and and but there and further along to the 632 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: west was a new dist speech that yet and he 633 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: said to me, oh, we apparently there wasn't just read 634 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: on the newspaper there's no just beach. No, yeah, that's right. 635 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: It's called rec Peach. I've read, but I heard about 636 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: it too, Yeah, yeah, sure. A couple days later, Oh, Apartner, 637 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: I wrote this thing about and no just beach. I said, yes, 638 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: I said you said that the other day and yeah. 639 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: And then if then she was like, oh, well someone 640 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: told me they've been to this, no this beach. I said, 641 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: do you want to go to the nudist beach? And anyway, 642 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: he went, well, if you want to go, I don't 643 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: know like that. I was like, let's go. So we go, 644 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: and you have to walk down this lovely sort of 645 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: verdant little path and then you come to this lovely 646 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: beach and it's all like big, you know, three chunks 647 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: have washed up on it, and you can sit against someone. 648 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: And then he went in the podcast he was going 649 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: and I went down there. No one had a stitch 650 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: of clothing on. I was like, no, it's a nearest beach. 651 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: And so we got naked and he just had a 652 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: little sort of like a little hat that like cricket 653 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: umpires wear, you know, one of this. I've got my dog. 654 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: We're walking along, me and him, and it's so funny 655 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: because when you get when you're naked and you get recognized, 656 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: it's a really funny thing because people are look at 657 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: your face and then they immediately dropped their heads down, 658 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: get your junk. You know, it's it's immediate, and it's 659 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: so it's hell alias and Ian was like, hello, everybody 660 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: has scandal things like that, absolutely loving it. And then 661 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: there was a guy came just to sell us little pipes. 662 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, there was all you could buy put pookies 663 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: and everything, and this man had made homemade pipes on 664 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: a piece of string around his waist and he was naked. 665 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: Ian and I were sitting down and he was I 666 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: couldn't see that one. And so the guy's coming close. 667 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 1: He's a penis level to our faces and I'm like 668 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, it's a lovely one doing 669 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: like that one up by It was such a gas. 670 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: That is so funny. I think that's a great story 671 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: because it makes me think, oh wow, Alan coming in 672 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: here a McCallen. Were these two gay actors on set 673 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: for this like big blockbuster movie back at a time, 674 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, like I mean, I don't 675 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: know that well, there weren't too many and that this 676 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: this wasn't really part of the conversation. I mean, I'm 677 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: not talking about this in terms of like a representation thing. 678 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, there's just obviously there's a shorthand 679 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: when you when you when you run into another queer 680 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: person in a working moronment like that. Yeah, yeah, totally, 681 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: And just I don't know, like, like like, what what was 682 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: it like for you guys? Well, it was that was 683 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: that was the gayest film I've ever been on, actually, 684 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: because you know, it was actually is fucking amazing. It 685 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: is it is the Crown Jewel so good in it too, 686 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: and it is, thank you much inherently queer because of 687 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: its X men. It's an allegory of queerness. All the 688 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: little little mutant singing and there's even a scene where 689 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: he sort of has to come out to mutic to 690 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: his mom and Chris Brian Singer and there was some 691 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: of the people, the writers and everything was it was 692 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: a very aside from the actual content of it, had 693 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: a very queer sort of sensibility. But I mean I 694 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: think now, like you know, like telling that story now 695 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: it's got such a different things ha ha. You know, 696 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: quirky quirky Allen quirky Ian, whereas then it would have 697 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: been a bit more like subversive weird or what they're 698 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: doing that's kind of we don't you know that that's 699 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: changed the way that I think people and even I 700 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: think the way that people understand queerness and understand even 701 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: things like you know about monogamy and stuff or lack 702 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: of in the queer community and how there's different rules 703 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: and relationships that I think is much more prevalent now 704 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: the idea and just take that concept, and I think 705 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: and in the funny way, I think, you know, when 706 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: when all the margin equality thing happens. One of the 707 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: things I said in a statement was I think, actually 708 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: queer people have a lot to teach state people about 709 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: relationships and about how to maneuver them, and and and 710 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: I think that's true. I still do think that's very true. 711 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: There would be a lot happier if they let go 712 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: of the whole idea because it is a very patriarchal, 713 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, they're in a prison. I mean really, because 714 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of unhappiness, especially amongst 715 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: like you know that like baby boomer generation in America 716 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: because and I think I think there's a lot of 717 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: alcoholism because of it. I think there's a lot of 718 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: like repression in that in that demographic because they they're 719 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: too married literally to an idea that's not and they've 720 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: been fair this thing that my thing. I think it's 721 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: really awful. I think as awful as that one thing 722 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: one whatever you call it in discretion or one part 723 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: of one one way you've failed in this vow, because 724 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: in this pact, that's basically what it's saying. If you 725 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: fail at all, then the whole pact is over. Like 726 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: I remember when my brother got divorced the first time, 727 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: and it basically when I you know, I was like, well, 728 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: that's so what you kind of something happened one night 729 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: when you're away and for one you know, and then 730 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: your whole life is over now, yes, and and and 731 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that that that's that's what 732 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: that is so damaging. And so what happens, of course 733 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: as people just repress it and do it and and 734 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: and lie and you know that, I think it's much 735 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: worse ways of betrayal than actually discussing how you feel 736 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: about the notion of it happening, and how you will 737 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: how you'll all gather together again after it happens and 738 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: be fine with the happening. I just think that's they're 739 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: fed this Hollywood ending of how life should be, and 740 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: we we everybody knows that's a sort of ship, yet 741 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: they continue to buy into it. It's remarkable. It's weird 742 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: the indulgences that are allowed, you know what I mean. 743 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: It's like, it's it's just it's when you take if 744 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: everyone were to take a step back and look at 745 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: it all, it would look hard because odd, I know. 746 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 1: And I think that's what I thought was so great 747 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: about Hot White High School and bringing it back too. 748 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Is that is that Adam, our dear friend Adam Goldman, 749 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: who wrote it, brilliant. It manages to get so many 750 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: issues I suppose you'd call them, but so many like 751 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: the like the you know, queer people not being monogamous. 752 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: I would say, mostly it's much much more of a 753 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: comfortable concept to talk about in queer culture that putting 754 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: things like that and other other kind of you know, 755 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: queer life things into a very funny script, very casually 756 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: and not very not not clunkily. I thought he did 757 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: that such a good job of that. I can't believe 758 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: how I've listened back to it a couple of times 759 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: to be honest, and I don't mean you don't ever 760 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: do this with with my own things, um especially especially 761 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, this this is just me saying this, 762 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: and this is something that Adam keeps pointing out to me. 763 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: He's like, no, but when you're in every scene, I'm like, 764 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: oh right, like I am. I'm really this is the 765 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: first thing that I've done where I like really like 766 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: anchored something and I should I should just say that, 767 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: like like put producing making like a scripted podcast, like 768 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: I just think. I just think the word podcast gets 769 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: get like just like kind of makes frivolized as the 770 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: whole thing, because it is not an easy thing to do, 771 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: you know. It's just huge, like the sound design and that, 772 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like it's all these things happening 773 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: on a train and you're going on top of a 774 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: carriage and it's a huge well it's like I mean, 775 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: it was. It felt to me like I've made some 776 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: films before, I've never done anything like this. I did 777 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: not expect it to be any way as detailed and 778 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: as sort of of such high production values as it did. 779 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Because the world we live in, and I think it's excellent. 780 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: That was that guy. Jeremy was such a genius. Jeremy 781 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: genius our sound designer. But um, but I would leave 782 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: those days sometimes and be like, oh my god, that 783 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: was a long day, Like that was a lot of work. 784 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: And Alan like really directed me in such a in 785 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: such a perfect way because A don't remember so the 786 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: first day, so Matt, you'll like this and hate this 787 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: the first day. The first scene we do. We do 788 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: a couple of takes of this one scene, and then 789 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: Alan's like really like giving me these great notes and 790 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: he's and then at one point he's just kind of 791 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: like figuring out what he wants to how he wants 792 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: to present the note, and then in a lull, I go, 793 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, um, you can just give me the line 794 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: read if you want. It's just like the way everyone 795 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: knows it at sn L. And then Alan like very 796 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: politely chuckles and he goes, oh that's no, that's okay, 797 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: and like proceeds to do his job, which is to 798 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: direct me, and he's just like actually like giving me 799 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: the respecting the process enough and respecting me enough to 800 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: be like, no, I'm not gonna like tell you. It 801 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: feeds you how to do what I'm gonna actually get 802 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: you there organically, And like I just I just like forgot. 803 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: I was just in such a like fresh out of 804 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: SNL space that I was like, no, just do it, 805 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: just do it. The late I was just being so lazy. 806 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: You just you you had the like you put on 807 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: the situation, like, oh, we need to get it in now, 808 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: we gotta move likely at all times I've knowned that 809 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: what is that what they do is now this kind 810 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: of like give your lane meetings all the time. Well 811 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean not all the time, but it's like like 812 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: if you hit a wall, if something's just not working 813 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: and it kind of rests on this one thing. It's 814 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be offended, and no one ever 815 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: is if someone just like just do it like this, 816 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: and then the big could I be anymore? I'm using 817 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: a friends line, but like could I be anymore? Blah 818 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: blah blah, So it'll be like that. Um, And so 819 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: that was just I mean even that, like you know, 820 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: even working on Hot White Heist was just like a 821 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: reminder of how this process usually works when it's not 822 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: in like this crazy pressure cooker. Yes, and it was 823 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: just it was just so pleasant, that nice. So I'm 824 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: so glad I didn't give you the lane reading that'd 825 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: be terrible. I always I always think it's it's sort 826 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: of like one of those things like and one of 827 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't really like hanging around with 828 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: actors because it always becomes so moony about but things 829 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: that happened to you. So like, my God, he gave 830 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: me a line reading things like that. It's not that 831 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: you know that it's I know it's not that bad 832 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: actually fits, and I've I've actually there have been times 833 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: and I just said, I actually, just tell me what 834 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: it is you actually mean, because I just can't get it. 835 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: You're not explaining it well enough to me, So just 836 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: tell me you do it, and then I'll do it 837 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: my way to make it better. Being out wait, I 838 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: do want to, like just to quickly just to touch 839 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: on something we were talking about a little bit earlier, 840 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: because now I'm really thinking, thinking about and marinating in it, 841 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: like you talk about this stuff that you've done, and 842 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: then also like when you actually think about some of 843 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Bowen and I truly favorite movies of all time, you 844 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: happen to appear in quite quite a few of them, 845 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: and they are I think some of them. And I 846 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: say this in the most beautiful and and then the 847 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: most in the best way dumbest movies ever like Spice World, 848 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: like we I I fucking we love and also like 849 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: if you can find a way for us to be 850 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: able to see it, you can't find it online around streaming, 851 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: so please let us know Spice World just just justin 852 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: the Pussycats, it's one of the most ahead of the 853 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: ahead of its time movies of all time. Josie and 854 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: the Pussycats love that film. Yeah, I love that film. 855 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: Well wait, wait, wait, which one can't you see? Spice 856 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: World is like very hard to find? Yeah, and it's 857 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: crazy too because especially during Pride Month, it feels like 858 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: it feels like an aggressive and it's not like those 859 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: girls to not market themselves up the Wise Zoo, but 860 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: on packs of Christmas for years. I mean, I think 861 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: the best. And also like Victoria Beckham liked in her 862 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: seventies three questions, like, um, she she made a joke 863 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: about like I'm still waiting for my Achievement award about 864 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: that movie, and I'm like, yeah, but you make a joke, 865 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: but your Victoria Beckham in the Spice World is High 866 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: High Success and every single she was I think she's 867 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: I thought she was such a funny girl on that movie. 868 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: There was one. There was one. It was one thing 869 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: she said that though she like she was kind of 870 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: she played so much with the sort of being pushed, 871 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: but she wasn't really pushed. To me, she's not She's 872 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: not push but she kind of as assumed portionists as 873 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: a sort of sort of Yes, she plays postion in 874 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: the Univision Song Contest and she anyway, so one one 875 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: day when we're filming the film, it was with a 876 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: long weekend, it's a holiday, and she we were having 877 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: rehearsing a scene and we're eating our toast and you know, 878 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I just still chatting as we get 879 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: and getting ready to rehearse, and I said, oh, what 880 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: did you What did you do this Victoria? She went, oh, 881 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: I went with my boyfriend to the south of France. 882 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: I said, oh, where did you go? As you went 883 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: Saint Tropez. I was like, I was like, are you 884 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: meaning just miss pronouncer? Are you doing that just to 885 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: be sort of like pretend posh, make it a double 886 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: on top. I was just whichever way. I was like, 887 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: I'm loving it whatever. Yeah, And because they went to 888 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: stay and then of course it's in all the newspapers. 889 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: They went to stay with Elton John for the weekend 890 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: and it was just crazy that time because the girls 891 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: were that was the most the absolute apex of their 892 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: spiciness and it was just laz. I learned the Spice 893 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: Girls dance moves from the Spice Girls. Ah wow, I know, right, 894 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: that's it. But you have but you have like really 895 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of um just you've been, you've you've you are 896 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: part of these things like like Bermie Michelle, like I 897 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: got another one. I just think, I just think you, um, 898 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: you are just you are just a very important figure 899 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: in all of these things. And so we we we 900 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: we pair our respects and such. You know, it's funny 901 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: like people your age, um and and either you know 902 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: a few years either side. But people who are like 903 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: so spy kids for instance, And I did There's a 904 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: Spell like in the Late and so I did loads 905 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: of those films of like kids films are better like Room. 906 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: You know, the expense, I was stuff that's right with 907 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: with computer couldn't falling on my head I am invincible, 908 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: but but there was so the Spike Kids thing. It's meant. 909 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: But what's lovely about that is that in a way 910 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: I was a sort of a magical part of a 911 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: lot of people's childhoods and this figure, this character and 912 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: sort of and I think the fact he was slightly 913 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: scary to start with it then he becomes a nice 914 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: person and so it's really it's really connect like in 915 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: a fairytale character actually that you know, really connected. And 916 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: I remember the way that when when people young people 917 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: came up to me, when when it changed when they 918 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: were the generation that I had grown up with Spike Kids, 919 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: and they how they approached me as an adult. It's 920 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: with this kind of wonder and awe and sort of like, oh, 921 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: you know your little like little kid's faces again, not 922 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: like I tured to five olds. And when I was 923 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: shooting this thing in Albuquerque a couple of years ago, 924 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: I saw that I came on the set one day 925 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: and there was a boy and new camera assistant and 926 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: he kind of did that face and I was like, oh, cutie, 927 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: it's he's obviously freaking out because it's Mr Flipped from Spikers. 928 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: But you can't say anything because it's like, you know, 929 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: we're working. So I was coming back from my trailer 930 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: one time and he was coming out the camera truck 931 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: and he had his moment and he said to me, 932 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: he went, alan, I've been meaning to say. I was like, oh, yes, 933 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: and he went, you touched me a lot when I 934 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: was a little boy. Never say that again. Yeah, there's 935 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: another way. The thing is he probably was thinking, like, 936 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: when I get my moment, what will I say when 937 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: he arrived at that And you're like, yeah, I just 938 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: don't say that in public. Yeah, or wait, wait, hold on, 939 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: I have a question. Do you know the answer to this? 940 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: Are you a playable character in the Golden Eye video game? Yes? 941 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm me and you can have once been me. 942 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: And what was hilarious is that years ago when it 943 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: first came out, I didn't know it was in those 944 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: days when I did good Night, it wasn't. Now, when 945 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: you do one of those films, you sign all these 946 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: even if they're never going to happen, You sign all 947 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: these things saying, oh, if I'm in the video game, 948 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: I get black black percentage. You know, they make the 949 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: toy of you, so that to do X number of 950 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: interviews to promote the toy, you know, all that stuff, 951 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: and it didn't have that didn't happen, and all of 952 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: a sudden there was just a game and we didn't 953 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: know anything about it. Biggest of all time. Yeah, yes, 954 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: no royalties learning and uh the anyway, one day I 955 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: was I found out about it and I had an 956 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: assistant called Landon at the time, and I came to 957 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: the next I said, oh my god, Landon, I'm in 958 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: a video game and he went, oh, yeah, I know, 959 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: I've got it. I said, do you do? And he said, yeah, 960 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: if if you piss me off, I go home and 961 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: shoot you in the balls, because you can. You can 962 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: shoot me in the balls. And I still like, I 963 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: play us from Ka Jansen and I shoot you in 964 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: the balls. Really, I think it's so funny that you 965 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: can he queers for Pride Month. This is my gift 966 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,439 Speaker 1: to you, the information that you right now can get 967 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: an N sixty four and play as bomb Ka Johansen 968 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: and Alan Coming and do a hand to hand combat 969 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,240 Speaker 1: fight slappers only slappers only. Well, well, this is interesting. 970 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: How did you feel about this idea that like not 971 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people have on on this side of 972 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: like you know, Hollywood or whatever, where it's like you 973 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: have this intergenerational difference of people coming up to you 974 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: and knowing you from a different thing. Oh, I love it. 975 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: I think it's great. I mean it's sort of really 976 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: And then now it's you know, from writing books and stuff, 977 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: and I love and people say, oh, I love club 978 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: coming you know things like that. I really and I 979 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: used to sort of play a game when I would 980 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: start trying and guess what was the thing they were 981 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: going to say when I saw people come up to me, 982 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: and I got so bad at it, I thought, you know, 983 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: it's actually quite nice that I don't know, because it 984 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: sometimes confounds you that some little granny I'll come up 985 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: and say, oh I saw you know, some crazy independent film, 986 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: but me doing something. And so I actually like that diversity. 987 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: And you can't guess because there are too many things, 988 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: probably too many things. And then also I think what 989 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: I was doing was like, oh, you know, like for example, 990 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: four year old Spike, it's or you know, guy with 991 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: a kind of iron maid and T shirt along here, 992 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: it'll be excellent. You know. I was making all these 993 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: sort of sort of stereotypical decisions. And then it's actually 994 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: lovely to sort of be confounded and a lot and 995 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: you can tell a lot by age, like you know, 996 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: The Good Wife is obviously a big thing that for years. 997 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: And also I host you know that what you've got 998 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: to get them a masterpiece mystery. I'm coming and this 999 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: is masterpiece mystery and that has a very definite specific 1000 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: demogmograph of older, older white people. Yeah, but but not 1001 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: always you can be confounded. It's it's quite nice. I 1002 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: like it. I like sort of And also I forget, 1003 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: you know. That's the other thing I realized writing this 1004 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: new book I've got coming out. I had to sort 1005 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: of research myself because I had forgotten so much. And 1006 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: luckily you can research yourself nowadays. You know, it's as possible. 1007 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,919 Speaker 1: And I found out such a lot. But I forget. 1008 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: And that's why my website I really always Matt my assistant, 1009 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: and I always like, we've got to keep the website 1010 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: updated because I want to not forget what I've done, 1011 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: because I did. I have had very some very embarrassing 1012 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: incidents when I swore blind that I had never worked 1013 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,280 Speaker 1: with like for example, I never worked with William before 1014 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: I thought I love, Oh my god, I would remember 1015 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: he's so great. I would love I see him sometimes 1016 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: at parties and I think it's such next time, I'm just, oh, 1017 00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: I'd love to work with him. I had done a 1018 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: film with him and had scenes with them, and I 1019 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: totally forgot you were with Paltrow. You don't do you 1020 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: know what we're said? You know what I mean? But 1021 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: she didn't remember which films she was in. Yeah, that 1022 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: was spider Man, that was Spider Man. I was an 1023 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: inspider Man. But this is but this is huge, though, 1024 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like what everybody I hope, I 1025 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: mean not everybody, but like what a lot of people 1026 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: probably aspired to you in terms of like getting having 1027 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: done so much that you forget what you've done, that 1028 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: you forget that you were in a film that you 1029 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: did scenes with. Willinger felt absolutely. I know, just like 1030 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: in Island. I once I had these friends and they 1031 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: bought this house that belonged to the man who wrote 1032 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: Hello Dolly and everything. What's his name, so, Jerry Harman Herman. 1033 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: So he had this big house in Fire Island. It 1034 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: was kind of legendary that, you know, Angel Lands. We 1035 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: would go over in the midll sing by the piano 1036 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,399 Speaker 1: and my friends bought it and I spent some time 1037 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: in it, and it was like and they totally redone it, 1038 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: but but there was one room because the entire thing 1039 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: used to be zebra skin, and so there's this little 1040 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: Lou there was just zebra skin walldproop. It was the 1041 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,439 Speaker 1: leftover Jerry Harman Lou and on it on the wall 1042 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: was like an award he got that he'd just forgotten 1043 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: left behind. And I remember thinking, God, can you imagine 1044 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: like being like having so many awards that one of 1045 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,879 Speaker 1: them is in your loop and you actually move house 1046 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: and forget it. But this is the thing. It's like, 1047 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if that means that career isn't as 1048 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: important as we think it is, or if it just 1049 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: means that like it isn't right, Like maybe that's that 1050 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: that's the takeaway year that like you're not defining yourself 1051 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 1: by like being in a Will and the film movie 1052 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: No exactly. And I think that, you know, I've I've 1053 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: noticed over the years that there's certain things, a certain 1054 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: markers that you are encouraged to, you know, keep and celebrate, 1055 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: like the first time you're on the cover of a 1056 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: magazine or the first time you're above the title or 1057 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,240 Speaker 1: all these sort of markets and your sort of business 1058 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: side of your work that you and people then send 1059 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: you pictures of things, and so you end I anyway 1060 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: ended up with like thousands of fucking pictures of me, 1061 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,760 Speaker 1: like framed things, posters of films, and which is nice initially, 1062 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: but then it's let's like, well, what am I going 1063 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: to do with all these things? You know, It's ridiculous, 1064 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: And so then I put oxtional of forgiven the way, 1065 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: and now I realize it's such an interesting thing that 1066 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: now I just I kind of keep just the ones 1067 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 1: that I like in my little shed my gym shared upstate. 1068 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: And it's actually a really good thing to exercise looking 1069 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: at images of your younger self. It's very keeping. But 1070 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: I think that is true. I don't define myself by 1071 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: my work. I actually really like my work, but like 1072 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's really fascinating. I loved the experience the 1073 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: pandemic gave me, which was to just do do other 1074 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 1: things and have the time to other things, and I 1075 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: was I was really I think it was one of 1076 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: the happiest years I've had in a long long time. 1077 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: Was was doing, you know, And I think that's that 1078 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,919 Speaker 1: was very heartening to me that I don't I didn't 1079 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: freak out because of work, and I like my work. 1080 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: But you know, I I think that's also why I'm 1081 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: probably quite good at it. I don't take it that seriously. 1082 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: I care about it, but i'm not. It's not I'm not. 1083 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't get I don't yearn, which I think is 1084 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: a very bad thing to do. I just I keep 1085 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,720 Speaker 1: myself open to the possibility of working with interesting people. 1086 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: But I don't start of think in five years time, 1087 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: I must have worked with you know, sure, blah blah. 1088 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: I think that's very You've got to try and be 1089 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,399 Speaker 1: in the moment and focus on focus on what you're doing, 1090 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: but also focus on fun as much as focus on 1091 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: your work. Well, even the way you talk about a 1092 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of stuff you've done, it seems like, um, it's 1093 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: not like, um, you're not talking about the the content, 1094 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's like there was an experience 1095 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: attached to it that you see really treasure, such as 1096 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 1: your time at the Nude Beach with Ian McKellan like. 1097 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: And then of course it's an afterthought that X two 1098 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: was the best X men. But the content speaks to itself. 1099 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: It's there, it can be seen there, you can see it, 1100 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: but you don't. We don't know the experience, and that's 1101 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 1: something that right, you know, it is special for you, 1102 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: it's great and actually know that aside from that, you know, 1103 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 1: I had fun with you and speak, but that was 1104 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: a terrible film to make. It was really it was 1105 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: really you know, it wasn't happy experience. There's lots of 1106 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: weird ship going on, and it was with the set 1107 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: was very unhappy place. And I hated it. I hated 1108 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: making it. And so you know there's that as well. 1109 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: And actually I think again that's all the more reason 1110 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: that you should have a good time, you know, the 1111 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: end product. I've done a couple of films like that, 1112 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,800 Speaker 1: Like I really think X two is a great film. 1113 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: And then I did this film Titus with Judy Timoth. 1114 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: I think it's really a great film. But both those 1115 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: experiences were just horrendous, and I don't think that the 1116 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: the excellence of those films is enough to meet it 1117 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: the bad experience I had. Yeah, I mean it's actually interesting, 1118 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: Like as I work more in the industry, I realized 1119 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: more and more that what's on the screen actually has 1120 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: nothing to do with what the experience was. And you know, 1121 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: you you can see, especially with film and TV, just 1122 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: how much is you know, made an edit and lied 1123 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: about and you know, things like that. It's just it's 1124 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: just interesting. It's not when you grow up wanting to 1125 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,359 Speaker 1: do this. And I think that's the quicker you find 1126 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,760 Speaker 1: that out the way, the more you get the demystification 1127 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: of the whole thing, you know what I mean. I 1128 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: was that kid, yeah, yeah, and I was that kid 1129 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: that you know, I watched the Oscars and like I 1130 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: really bought into it and like really wanted to did 1131 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: want to be part of the community of people that 1132 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: I was reading about and watching. And then you grow 1133 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: up and as you become part of the sure you 1134 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: realize that's exactly what it is, and that it is 1135 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 1: a lot of construct and so that's why it is 1136 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: important to you know, prioritize experience for yourself and life absolutelf. 1137 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: And then I think what's really lucky about this is 1138 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: that it gets to take you to interesting places and 1139 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: you get to meet interesting people who maybe had that 1140 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,359 Speaker 1: when they were young too, but right, but only when 1141 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: you meet people that are that have figured that out 1142 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: and like seeing all the pepsi cans as we say, 1143 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: you can, can you really figure out how to like 1144 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: enjoy it right now? I think that's absolutely true. Well 1145 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: I admired, but you guys and your sort of group, 1146 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: and I see it's happening, you know, so it through 1147 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: club coming really is. But this group of sort of 1148 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: young uh writer actor comedians, there's a very strong sense 1149 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: of community and of support I think, with each other. 1150 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,359 Speaker 1: And that's I thought, I think that's really unusual. I'm 1151 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: not unusual, but it's uncommonly strong and seems really familiar 1152 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 1: when I look at you lat Well, that's I mean 1153 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: whenever people are like, um, oh well, I mean people 1154 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: will assume that, like you know that that that we 1155 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 1: will know certain people through um the podcast, But it's like, no, 1156 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,879 Speaker 1: these are like relationships that we've built up over many 1157 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 1: years where we've seen each other really each ship, like 1158 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: in like in bar basements in Brooklyn and like, you know, 1159 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 1: like we like I remember the first time I saw 1160 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, let's just say, like Patty Harrison or Katherine 1161 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: Cohen or like whoever, like we were not performing at 1162 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: the level we were. We we just but we weren't 1163 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,920 Speaker 1: even like even that good grade of performance. We just 1164 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: wanted to get better at it, and we all happen 1165 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: to start at the same you know, water level, and 1166 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,760 Speaker 1: then now it's just a coincidence. It's a happy, wonderful, 1167 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: fortuitous saying that we're all like in in the same 1168 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 1: neighborhood of like of doing stuff. But um, but I 1169 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: think but I was gonna say, like maybe, I mean, 1170 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm not the person to say what um to assign 1171 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: meaning to what you're what you're doing UM these days, 1172 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,799 Speaker 1: but like I feel like club coming is this thing 1173 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: where you are you are community building with with that, 1174 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's like your I think so, and I 1175 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: he felt that when we did when the when the 1176 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: pandemic hit, that one of the things that was apparent 1177 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: was that people needed a place to come even if 1178 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: we weren't opening shows. And so we you know, we 1179 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: try and like doing the Black Lives Matter marches, like 1180 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: some of the staff or like let's keep you know, 1181 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: they suggested, let's make it a safe space people can 1182 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 1: come and get water and snacks and go to the 1183 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,360 Speaker 1: loo and things like that are really important too. I 1184 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: realized how important it was just for our core group 1185 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: of both performers and audience that they knew it was 1186 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,279 Speaker 1: still there and they could come and they would be 1187 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,399 Speaker 1: able to feel the same the thing like you know here, 1188 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: when I do it in like at the Spiegel tent 1189 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: in this festival, I say, you know, I'll tell you 1190 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: a bit about Club Coming. I say, we have a 1191 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: motto all ages or genders, or colors or sexualities, everyone's welcome. 1192 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: Kindness is all and you know, anything can happen. And 1193 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a great sort of just let's put that. 1194 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: When you put that out there, I think people, uh, come, 1195 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: it's it's it's manifest itself because people bring that sort 1196 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: of message to it. I really did realize that that's 1197 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,760 Speaker 1: why work sort of so hard early on when everyone 1198 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,600 Speaker 1: was hit financially for all these you know, they kind 1199 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: of got the benefits and things that we made. We 1200 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: had this thing called the Club Coming Community Chest, and 1201 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: we've got all these hilarious people to donate things. So 1202 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: and that was I think, you know, I really did 1203 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: that because I felt like we do have a community 1204 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,399 Speaker 1: and it's really important to make sure that we look 1205 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: after them and so but if we can't nurture them 1206 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,799 Speaker 1: in the way we normally do by paying them to 1207 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: perform and you know that, yes, then we have to 1208 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: try and you know, you have to kind of think. 1209 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: So it was. It was really and I take it 1210 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: very seriously that sort of thing. Actually, I'm very concerned about, 1211 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm very conscious of things changing and what's 1212 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,359 Speaker 1: what what's the mood and there's new people and how's 1213 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: that going? You know, the sort of the feel of it. 1214 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,800 Speaker 1: It's really because it's supposed, it's supposed it's reflects me. 1215 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: It's supposed it looks my spirit really, and it does. 1216 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: It really doesn't. It carries the light when you go 1217 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,399 Speaker 1: in there, and like and the show is really popping off, 1218 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: like it's like a love bomb is exploding. It's so yeah, 1219 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: and I it feels weird, but like I want to 1220 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: thank you for it because it's like a truly like 1221 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: some of my first some of my last year's because 1222 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,680 Speaker 1: I moved to Los Angeles for work stuff. But I 1223 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 1: I it's I think it's in the top three things. 1224 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: I always say, you know, for me, everyone's like, what 1225 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,279 Speaker 1: are you gonna do now that you're back in New York? 1226 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: And I'm back in New York for a month, And 1227 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: I always say, like, it's more about people for me 1228 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: that I'm going to see when I come back here, 1229 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm always like I always will associate bone with 1230 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: it and our dear friends studio and like our close friends. 1231 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: But it's not having this conversation right now makes me 1232 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: really anxious to get there again because I think it's 1233 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,439 Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite spot. I mean, I'm so 1234 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm so proud to be like a part of it, 1235 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: and like it's so you're you're oh the time in 1236 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: l A now, uh yeah, And I think that the 1237 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 1: dream is to sort of bounce back and forth, you understand, 1238 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: but like coast has worked, but yeah, right now, yes, 1239 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,959 Speaker 1: but I mean I'm telling you it's just it's not 1240 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: replicable in l A. What that is and I think 1241 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: even outside of I mean, it's just not replicable any aware. 1242 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are some places, but there 1243 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: was something about a packed room at club coming for 1244 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: a for a comic show, cabaret show, drag show, what 1245 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: have you. But energetically, spatially, there was nothing like it. 1246 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: Just you just felt and it's I mean, this is 1247 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, this is a little bit of like 1248 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: a masturbatory thing to say, but like it's where it's 1249 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: it's where I discovered quote Uncoree or met Chloe Fineman 1250 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 1: who later was like in my who's in my class 1251 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,040 Speaker 1: at S And I was like it was where I 1252 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 1: like saw her perform for the first time. It's like, 1253 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, who the funk is this girl doing 1254 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: all these impressions, She's incredible. So many people And then 1255 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: now it's like and now and yes, so many people. 1256 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: But it's like like look like it's like it this 1257 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,280 Speaker 1: is the thing, Like but you you saying like, um, 1258 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, all ages, all genders, all all sexualities, A 1259 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: kindness is key, Like hopefully that brings people together. Of 1260 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: course it does. It's a force in the world and 1261 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: people will will draw themselves to that and then naturally 1262 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: this is what happens. It's it's actually v D hartening 1263 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, like do you ever do 1264 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: things like you sort of thing I really want to 1265 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: do this, like what you've got to creative visualization? I mean, 1266 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: I guess with with cubcoming, I did create a visually visualization. 1267 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: And also like you know, when you talk about when 1268 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: something's about to happen and you talk about it in 1269 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: the press or stuff, like that you can sort of 1270 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: creatively visualize in the more um you know, direct way 1271 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: by doing that. But it is really heartening to think 1272 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 1: that that's that's how it came about. Is that I 1273 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: just that's how I wanted to be and I just 1274 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: just put that message out to the world. Also, point 1275 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: was I was saying when I did um the other 1276 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:36,000 Speaker 1: thing we have together coming out Shmiga Dune, I creatively 1277 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: visualized that as well, because I was it was it 1278 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: was it was like, you know, the end of the summer, 1279 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: and I've spent it's been lovely. At the summer, I 1280 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: was up stuck not stuck in the cats girls with 1281 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: my lovely husband, and I was just like, this has 1282 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,680 Speaker 1: been lovely, but I kind of liked a little break, 1283 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: a little break my husband from my from you know, 1284 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: making dinner every night and blah blah blah. And I've 1285 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, finished the draft of my book. I'm ready 1286 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: to and I'd like to do a show not in 1287 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 1: America and that kind of a America. And that just 1288 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 1: showed that it's an ensemble. Don't have to get up 1289 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: every single day and I can and somewhere safe like 1290 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Knada where the people are kind and there's a plan boom. 1291 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: The next thing, I know, Oh you've got You've been 1292 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: asked to do this hilarious musical homage parody. Thing was 1293 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,640 Speaker 1: all these great people in Kinada thing. Yeah, I didn't 1294 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,920 Speaker 1: have to visualize more. I can't. Yes, you know it 1295 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: always did it always did? You know. It's so funny, 1296 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 1: like you say, like you're in l A all the 1297 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 1: time now, like there's something happened to me. I think 1298 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: maybe it was the pandemic and also in the move 1299 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to l A where it's so much more like entertainment industry, 1300 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: like I'm working during the day and I did lose 1301 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: that sort of like New York like Jack, you know 1302 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, like and so like it's just kind 1303 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: of um, it's it's it's just fun to remember that 1304 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: that's a thing like putting things out into the atmosphere 1305 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,240 Speaker 1: really does work. I do believe that. Yeah, I know so. 1306 01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 1: I in my book, I write because I think it's 1307 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 1: too easy to be down on Eli if you're not 1308 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: if you're not an earlier person, and it's it's one 1309 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: of these places I think that's quite sort of um triggering, 1310 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: or or it's you know, it's sort of what do 1311 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: you call that word? Um, I'm going to see bi 1312 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: polar polarizing, polarizing, polarizing, and that the thing is that 1313 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: I've lovely friends there, I love going there, but I 1314 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: don't ever I've never lived there. I don't want to. 1315 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: And I and and I've write about this. I say 1316 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: that it's it's kind of like how I am. If 1317 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: you think about Hershey, Pennsylvania, where they make which I 1318 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 1: do often and Matt Matt loves theme park person, so 1319 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,560 Speaker 1: I love coaster Park. They've got some of the best 1320 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: rober clatures in the world, did they really? And also, 1321 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: are you a big you're a big chocolate person that 1322 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 1: you know. I don't go there for the chocolate, but 1323 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 1: I stay for the chocolate. I always think that l 1324 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: A is similar to must be similar to Hershey, Pennsylvania, 1325 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,440 Speaker 1: because I bet there everybody's talked about chocolate all the time, 1326 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, to me, because it's an industry time. And 1327 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: I think in l A everyone just talks about work 1328 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: all the time. And when you think about like that, 1329 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: it's not so menacing. It's but I just don't want 1330 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: to talk about work all the time. I said, already, 1331 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not keen on giggles of actors. That's 1332 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,520 Speaker 1: like my worst nightmare. So the idea of being in 1333 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: a in an environment where like things like I remember 1334 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 1: one time this. I was saying this years ago and 1335 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: this waiter came came to me and I was like, 1336 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: he just wanted to focus on my salad, as Martha's 1337 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,880 Speaker 1: chet said, and he said, he said, what, congratulations Allen. 1338 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, why you know when people say that, 1339 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: you think, what did I win an award? And no 1340 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: one's told me? And he went, oh, your movie made 1341 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,280 Speaker 1: nineteen million dollars this weekend. And I was like, how 1342 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: do you know that? And I don't you know what? 1343 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean? Like what I thought? It was awful and 1344 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up while you were eating? Thank you? 1345 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 1: Well wait, I mean okay, well, well, Matt and I 1346 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 1: when we were visiting l A years ago, we met 1347 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 1: up with our friend, this is Jamie Soalker. But he 1348 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,000 Speaker 1: told us he was like, here's the thing about l A. 1349 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. And then we were like, what about 1350 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 1: the people who hate it? He was he was, they 1351 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,200 Speaker 1: just don't know that they love it. I don't know 1352 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,680 Speaker 1: yet that they love it. And I'm like that is interesting. Atmospherically, 1353 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,160 Speaker 1: I do love it, like I And when I say atmospherically, 1354 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I just mean like literal atmosphere, like I love the 1355 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,400 Speaker 1: way I love the weather being the same everything. I 1356 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: don't know what I mean, it's so boring, but like 1357 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 1: I think, I think that's like, say, what do you say? 1358 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: What do people I mean say nobody would live in 1359 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Iceland or things? Do you know what I mean? The 1360 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 1: thing is I would just go to Iceland then, but 1361 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,440 Speaker 1: in terms of where I live, like I I wanted 1362 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: to be like dry and dry and hot and the same. 1363 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 1: I get it. I just think it's sort of I 1364 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I absolutely understand, but I'd also just think 1365 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,959 Speaker 1: I find it kind of weird that the climate would 1366 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: be the best thing somewhere. I totally, I totally get that. 1367 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,480 Speaker 1: And maybe I'll even agree with you very soon, and 1368 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I'll turn my ass right around and point myself back 1369 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: in New York. And it's just that the humanity and 1370 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,960 Speaker 1: you can make you can. It says that, but you can. 1371 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: I love that, actually missing the witness, but I think 1372 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: you can. You have to make your own life in 1373 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,520 Speaker 1: whereas in New York you find it. And then it's 1374 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: just a little more difficult to in Eliot, You've got 1375 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,520 Speaker 1: to it's more it's a well, you know that thing 1376 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,760 Speaker 1: about it's all spread out city. There's the first time 1377 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: I drove in Eliot. So I'm going to find the 1378 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: center of l A. There's not a center. And so 1379 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing. You've got to realize. Everything is more 1380 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: spread and you've got to seek out a life within 1381 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,840 Speaker 1: New York. It just hits you in the face. And 1382 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I think that's I prefer that, and it's a journey. 1383 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 1: And that's what's fun about it too, that like you're 1384 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: always gonna have New York memories, Like there's not really 1385 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 1: l A memories, you know what I mean. Like, but 1386 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 1: like New York is alive in a way that every 1387 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: day is a curveball. And in l A's yes, you're 1388 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: less of an adventurer. In l A you just are. 1389 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: But also at the same time, I always think if 1390 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: I lived in early I would probably end up in 1391 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,760 Speaker 1: a gutter with like a prostitute on my face and 1392 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 1: a needle in my arm. Bad. But you know what 1393 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that actually in New York 1394 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: you have there's it's I think it's the slightly repres 1395 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 1: like the thing that everybody goes to bed so early 1396 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 1: and gets in eli and everything like that, and you 1397 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: have to really look for after. I was fun as well, 1398 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: and so it's slightly I don't know whereas in New 1399 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: York that's like a part of living, it's a sort 1400 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,880 Speaker 1: of celebrate part, whereas there it's a little repressed and 1401 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 1: sort of That's what I mean. I think I would 1402 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,439 Speaker 1: end up in some you know, weird environment. You would swing, 1403 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 1: you would swing so hard the other way. But I 1404 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I've never heard someone distill it this way. Where in 1405 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: l A you make your life. In the New York 1406 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: you find it. I think that's the perfect way to 1407 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,760 Speaker 1: like to phrase it. Um, before we ask you the 1408 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,960 Speaker 1: question about what culture made you say culture was for you. 1409 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 1: You were talking about sets earlier. I just want to 1410 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: know what was it? What was the set of Josing 1411 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the Pusycats, Like we need we need some we need 1412 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: to know about our favorite movie. But it was a 1413 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,560 Speaker 1: hut because, um, well the Girls was so young. I 1414 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,600 Speaker 1: talked to Rozario about this recently. She turned twenty one 1415 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,080 Speaker 1: doing that film twenty one and the Others was about 1416 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 1: the same age and they were just like these three 1417 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: week things. Actually remember one thing, this thing about work 1418 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,240 Speaker 1: and Elie and everything. I remember it was when when 1419 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,160 Speaker 1: we were shooting that um what do you called Gody 1420 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: Hone's daughter lovely Kate Kate Hudson was on the cover 1421 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,760 Speaker 1: of Vanity Fair because she was in that Cameron Crow film. 1422 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: And I remember the three girls were like, oh, they 1423 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: were fascinating about this cover. And remember one of them said, gosh, 1424 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,880 Speaker 1: who's her publicist? Like that? And I thought, oh, it 1425 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,760 Speaker 1: was they were. They were already being sucked into that thing. 1426 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,920 Speaker 1: How can I make that happen to me? And so 1427 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting, but they were lovely. I remember one time 1428 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,320 Speaker 1: we've talked about Lauren Bicole in the makeup bus, and 1429 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: none of them knew that she was. I thought, that's okay, 1430 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 1: they were in there, they're in there early. It's not okayah, 1431 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: I think they were. They're making their actress isn't film anyway, 1432 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: I told them. But my and also favorite thing was 1433 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 1: like there was one time where a little um melody, 1434 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: the character played Tara Reid, and you know, because at 1435 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: the time she was going out with what's his name, 1436 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: they were engaged. There was a whole joke in the 1437 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,520 Speaker 1: film about that. You know, they was a big hot item. 1438 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,400 Speaker 1: We're all going to go to their wedding after the 1439 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: film finish. That didn't happen at last any bit Tarda, 1440 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,680 Speaker 1: there was something where we're doing a scene was late. 1441 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Everyone was a bit tired. Was a night shooting. There 1442 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,040 Speaker 1: was a little bit of conflict going on on the 1443 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 1: set with the direct one of the directors and the girls, 1444 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 1: and we got back to make up and they were 1445 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 1: all being upset about it, and I was like, girls, 1446 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: you just got to let you know, everyone's tired, just 1447 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 1: like you know, just say okay, I'll do it that way. 1448 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 1: I do want to take like that, and then just 1449 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: do it the way you want to, you know, just 1450 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, just you have to kind of take a 1451 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,520 Speaker 1: little bit, but don't make it. Don't make a bad 1452 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff. And and Tarda was cris because it's 1453 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 1: okay for you Ellen. They respect you, but they won't 1454 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:48,600 Speaker 1: let me give Melody any creativity. Seping you wouldn't let 1455 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:56,160 Speaker 1: Melody get any creativity wherever you are. Yeah, that that 1456 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,880 Speaker 1: That movie also features um one of Bond and his 1457 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,960 Speaker 1: favorite performances ever committed to celluloid, which is Parker posey 1458 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: in that film just tremendous. I mean that was just 1459 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 1: that's the dream piece of casting. I also, I love 1460 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,600 Speaker 1: Parker so much. We had I know, so we were 1461 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the two oldest people in the film. That was and 1462 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,400 Speaker 1: I showed it and when Parker left, she was finished 1463 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,120 Speaker 1: wrapped earlier. I was the oldest person on the film. 1464 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? But thirty five a cool thirty five 1465 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 1: would be like these fucking like I wouldn't like be 1466 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,040 Speaker 1: that self conscious about me. I'd just be like, no, 1467 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing great and these fucking amateurs are figuring it 1468 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,479 Speaker 1: out as well. Yeah, just I went one of these films, yes, 1469 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,920 Speaker 1: but it was it was a Parker was you know, 1470 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: she's hilly idios. I've got something took heart of doing 1471 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 1: that film, my first Parker, my first Parker posing movie. 1472 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: And then through that movie I discovered like all the 1473 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Christopher guest things House of Yes, Like that was like 1474 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,800 Speaker 1: my gateway into like that world of cinema where I 1475 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is a little like Lane. 1476 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,719 Speaker 1: This is like a little like pocket of of movies 1477 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,240 Speaker 1: for me, And like it took something as like you know, 1478 01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,560 Speaker 1: Candy coated as Josey the post a gat which I 1479 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,200 Speaker 1: still leave is like us like a satirical film. It's 1480 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 1: saying something about the culture in a way that I 1481 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,880 Speaker 1: didn't was not said at the time, and I still 1482 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000 Speaker 1: think it has something. And like when we were saying that, 1483 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,840 Speaker 1: so Matt has said a metaphor earlier look for the 1484 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,320 Speaker 1: pepsi cans. It's just literally like what the whole movie is, 1485 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 1: which is emblazoned branding on everything, and like now, like 1486 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, now we talk about it's like it's kind 1487 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,480 Speaker 1: of a happening thing now to talk about how corporations 1488 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,080 Speaker 1: are ruining pride. Of course they are, but it's like 1489 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,240 Speaker 1: that was like in the year two thousand, like giving 1490 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,680 Speaker 1: you this thing where every single surface was covered in 1491 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,480 Speaker 1: a logo in a way that's so funny and like ironic. 1492 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,280 Speaker 1: So it was like a idea of it sal phone 1493 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,280 Speaker 1: ust as well, Yes, you know what else is that 1494 01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 1: parodea of itself? Was um the Spice film. Yeah, absolutely, 1495 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,600 Speaker 1: people were so and the reviews of it were so 1496 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,240 Speaker 1: like this is bad. It's like you don't understand, this 1497 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,559 Speaker 1: is camp. And I feel like at that at that 1498 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: time they just were I think maybe American critics were 1499 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,680 Speaker 1: kind of like unaware of the fact that that was 1500 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Maybe they just didn't want to give the movie any 1501 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,519 Speaker 1: credit for being camp, or maybe they just didn't I 1502 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,839 Speaker 1: don't think American people understand camp. They're not actually properly 1503 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in the way, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's 1504 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: sort of I think people think camp as they don't 1505 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 1: think of it as wet, to think of it as 1506 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,280 Speaker 1: like someone wearing a feather bow and glitter, and I 1507 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 1: think that's the thing like that from the literary tradition 1508 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:17,920 Speaker 1: and the sort and also sort of the repress the 1509 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,880 Speaker 1: idea of a repressed having to repress a message but 1510 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 1: get the message over using a sort of almost a 1511 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,080 Speaker 1: hidden language. That's what I think of as cats and 1512 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,680 Speaker 1: that's what American people, I think, you know, just in 1513 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 1: it's it's I don't mean to bash America, but there's this, 1514 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 1: you know, irony. There's a bit of an irony bypass 1515 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 1: in general, which is per me. It's all culture, and 1516 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's getting better, and of course in 1517 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 1: certain pockets it's absolutely there, but it's not as in 1518 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the mainstream as much as it is in other cultures. 1519 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:56,400 Speaker 1: Sell business, we must ask we must ask the question 1520 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,599 Speaker 1: because this will be the latest we've ever asked a question. 1521 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: But we're just having too much of a I'm talking 1522 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 1: to you. So what was the culture Alan Coming then 1523 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,560 Speaker 1: made you say culture is for me? This was the 1524 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: piece of whether pop culture or general culture around you 1525 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,640 Speaker 1: that sort of moved you in in Alan coming direction. 1526 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,559 Speaker 1: It was a piece of theater. And it was when 1527 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,040 Speaker 1: I was a very little boy and a theater and 1528 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 1: education group came to my school and did a play 1529 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: in our dinner hall, and like you know, we all 1530 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,599 Speaker 1: sat on the floor and they did this piece of 1531 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,560 Speaker 1: and it was about the about a historical thing that 1532 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,400 Speaker 1: happened in Scotland called the Highland Clearances, when all the 1533 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: people were cleared off the the hills and sent away 1534 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: by the English. And I really even at that moment, 1535 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I thought, gosh, I am learning more from this than 1536 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,200 Speaker 1: we did. Then I got in history class than because 1537 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: I'm seeing it now and it's been presented to me 1538 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,519 Speaker 1: in this way and then and I thought it's amazing. 1539 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,920 Speaker 1: And then I at play time afterwards, I saw them 1540 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,360 Speaker 1: through remember through the fence, the metal grid defense of 1541 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: the play of the playground, looking through it and I 1542 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,760 Speaker 1: saw the actors from the little theater company putting their 1543 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 1: big hampers of props and things into a van, and 1544 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,040 Speaker 1: I realized they're going off and don't going to do 1545 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,240 Speaker 1: this at another school. And I was just like, I 1546 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,200 Speaker 1: want to do that. Decided to become an actor right 1547 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: that very moment. How old are you? How are you? 1548 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,640 Speaker 1: It's probably about eight or nine. And guess what the 1549 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: very first job I did, the first professional job I did, 1550 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,960 Speaker 1: I was and it was in the production of Macbeth 1551 01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 1: in Glasgow and I played Malcolm. And we're sort of 1552 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,200 Speaker 1: talking kind of like this about, oh, what was your 1553 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: first sort of thing that you wanted to become an actor? 1554 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,679 Speaker 1: And I was. I told this story and the lady, 1555 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,439 Speaker 1: the actress called morning Beat He's a brilliant Scottish actress 1556 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: who was playing Lady Macbeth, suddenly went wait, what what 1557 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,120 Speaker 1: was the show about? And I said, Hircus. She went 1558 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,960 Speaker 1: and it was near Dundee. I went, yes, she went, 1559 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,680 Speaker 1: I was in that, and she was. She had been 1560 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,439 Speaker 1: in the very show that I sever Several other actors 1561 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 1: a couple of other ones actually that and that crazy. 1562 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I think that people really forget, like whenever 1563 01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: I hear or see that. Um, you know, like a 1564 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,639 Speaker 1: particular education system is doesn't have theater or the kids 1565 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 1: aren't closed to theater. Like it's what you're saying. It's 1566 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,200 Speaker 1: like some people genuinely like their world can completely expand, 1567 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,000 Speaker 1: their mind can completely expand by seeing that. Bowen and 1568 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I for several years did children's theater, and you can 1569 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,880 Speaker 1: tell when some of the kids are changed by it. Yeah, yeah, 1570 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I love that. And also I think it's been interesting, 1571 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: you know, with the pandemic that in a crisis, artists 1572 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,639 Speaker 1: are the first people that culture turns to to make 1573 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,639 Speaker 1: sense of it, to kind of entertain us, to take 1574 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: our mind so off it, or to raise money, to 1575 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,599 Speaker 1: help raise money for various things. They are arts are 1576 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the first sort of line of defense, if you like, 1577 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,280 Speaker 1: in a in a crisis, and yet the arts is 1578 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,160 Speaker 1: the first place that they have all the money cut 1579 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 1: in order to pay for everything. It's really hypocritical. Well 1580 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,519 Speaker 1: it's just an arbitrary thing. I mean, this is this 1581 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,960 Speaker 1: is the weird thing to bring up. But I feel 1582 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,000 Speaker 1: like to those actors, like that day, it was just 1583 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,680 Speaker 1: another let's say, Wednesday afternoon, do you know what I mean? 1584 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,120 Speaker 1: And you for me and Matt when we would go 1585 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,960 Speaker 1: and do these children's theater shows at schools, would be like, 1586 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,160 Speaker 1: well for us, it's like, how god we had to 1587 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,240 Speaker 1: wake up at like five am today and like hack 1588 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: of it and like but then but then it's like 1589 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,559 Speaker 1: but then, I don't know. But then hearing you someone 1590 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,439 Speaker 1: like you say this that like you were like truly 1591 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,719 Speaker 1: sparked by a children's theater the moment at your school, 1592 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, it's like you can you will 1593 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,480 Speaker 1: never be able to tell and this is just undoubtedly 1594 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: have done that. You'll have undoubtedly done that to some people. 1595 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,639 Speaker 1: And that's not and even if they don't become actors 1596 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: you would give you'll have changed them forever in a way. 1597 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,960 Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, we have forget what 1598 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,479 Speaker 1: great It's a pressure, I suppose in some ways, but 1599 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,040 Speaker 1: what a great honor is that you have their job 1600 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:43,439 Speaker 1: that can actually change people's lives. Absolutely. But I just think, 1601 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,400 Speaker 1: and this is not I don't know why I'm connecting 1602 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 1: these two dots in terms of like cultural like like 1603 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,439 Speaker 1: arts funding not getting what it should in this country 1604 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 1: or any country. But it's like because it's something that 1605 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,559 Speaker 1: like people, there's no like number on it because people 1606 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: can't like a sign like yeah, we want something results. 1607 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,479 Speaker 1: But then but then it's like, well, if if you 1608 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: were able to track like how many kids want to 1609 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,120 Speaker 1: go into theater after like the theater trip comes through 1610 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,000 Speaker 1: this school, then maybe it's like, oh well then maybe 1611 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,840 Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's like it's such a it's 1612 01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,599 Speaker 1: a hard thing because it's it's because it is so arbitrates. 1613 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Like it's like I was talking to Study today, are 1614 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,280 Speaker 1: are very good friend? Study? We were like, you can't 1615 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 1: describe funny, like like she's like she's like she's like 1616 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,640 Speaker 1: fucking professional comedian or just a writer for years and 1617 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,960 Speaker 1: years and then talking to me about this, like one 1618 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,240 Speaker 1: of her collaborators were just like you can't. You can't 1619 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,519 Speaker 1: define what funny is, and therefore people get into arguments 1620 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: all the time about like who who's funny? Yeah, it's 1621 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: a terrible thing that you know, I think and and 1622 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,639 Speaker 1: and and like some cultures we absolutely need to see 1623 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,400 Speaker 1: it on paper to make sense of it, whereas you know, 1624 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,160 Speaker 1: like where I'm from, it's it's people understand the value 1625 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, Like the first Minister of Scotland quotes 1626 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,880 Speaker 1: like she's a big reader, for instance, and she talks 1627 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,000 Speaker 1: about books. Actually something says, here's a great book I've 1628 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,160 Speaker 1: just read blah blah blah blah. Imagine that coming from 1629 01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,880 Speaker 1: an American politician. It's it would be incredibly rare. And 1630 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,240 Speaker 1: then and also they would be criticized for taking time 1631 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,559 Speaker 1: off to read a book probably, you know. And then 1632 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,559 Speaker 1: and also but just like she's something you know, she's 1633 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,240 Speaker 1: quotes poetry sometimes when she makes speeches and things like that. 1634 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: This the idea that language and and and culture and 1635 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,080 Speaker 1: that way is so much more into the mainstream of 1636 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,280 Speaker 1: how people think, and there's a reference point. It's not 1637 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: something that's seen as something we do for fun or 1638 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,759 Speaker 1: something that's a little frivolous. It's actually much more valued 1639 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 1: in the very core of a society. And that's the problem. 1640 01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how you how you change that. You 1641 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,679 Speaker 1: just have to tell yourself to give it to people, 1642 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,559 Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing that we've got to be told. 1643 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,720 Speaker 1: How you can't and if anyway, are certing that you 1644 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 1: can't blame people for being homophobic or racist, if the 1645 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 1: government of the day is homophobic and racist, because they 1646 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,000 Speaker 1: are the people that are supposed to be leading you 1647 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,680 Speaker 1: and explain to you what is decent and how to 1648 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,400 Speaker 1: behave and so I think we've always got to That's 1649 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,960 Speaker 1: why it's so depressing right now that all these great 1650 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,840 Speaker 1: things that Biden wants to do is not going through 1651 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,800 Speaker 1: because of this gridlock. Not awful, man, it won't let 1652 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,720 Speaker 1: the voting thing go through. I mean, it's just the 1653 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,639 Speaker 1: political system in America is so it seems so intent 1654 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,880 Speaker 1: on just staying on stasis. As you know, modus up 1655 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,960 Speaker 1: und a lot of Latin words in one sentence, what 1656 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:22,720 Speaker 1: we love Joe mansion and this is just kidding. Yeah, 1657 01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,599 Speaker 1: the worst, literally the worst, and unfortunately he is president 1658 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,160 Speaker 1: of the United States. It feels like um, but because 1659 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,519 Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter who is while that fucking asshole 1660 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,559 Speaker 1: sits there. And also Kirsten cinema is no better and 1661 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,320 Speaker 1: that I don't care, I don't care how blue or 1662 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,679 Speaker 1: hair is. Um, that's actually it's more patronizing. Yeah, it's 1663 01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 1: actually also I'm sorry it looks bad. I'm not good 1664 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,720 Speaker 1: about her. Die job is bad. Not to remark on 1665 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,719 Speaker 1: the looks of whatever, not whatever. She just looks bad anyway. 1666 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,080 Speaker 1: But I will say, like, it's so it's so crazy 1667 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,160 Speaker 1: that you say that, like people wouldn't be this way 1668 01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,559 Speaker 1: if it wasn't if the government wasn't like filling their 1669 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,360 Speaker 1: heads with this because like when we do when we do, 1670 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,240 Speaker 1: when we used to do these shows all the time 1671 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,360 Speaker 1: as story parts was the name of the company, it 1672 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 1: was like all the five and six year olds were 1673 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,919 Speaker 1: my favorite because they were the most untouched by by anything. 1674 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,320 Speaker 1: And then you could see when they got to like eight, nine, ten, 1675 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 1: something started to turn, especially in the boys, like um, 1676 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,960 Speaker 1: something was turning. It was just and you saw that 1677 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 1: little glimpse of like I want to have fun, but 1678 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,519 Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't know what else to you 1679 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,240 Speaker 1: know what else? Yeah, and you know what else to? 1680 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: When when the kids are really little, when when little 1681 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 1: boys are really little, they lay in each other's laps, 1682 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 1: they hold each other, they touch each other, and they're 1683 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,200 Speaker 1: they're very tactile and they're very sensitive and emotional and 1684 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,600 Speaker 1: pop in and they're screaming laughing when like when like 1685 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,679 Speaker 1: something gay happens on stage, and by nature of Bone 1686 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,519 Speaker 1: and I being on stage, many gay things happened. And 1687 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,479 Speaker 1: sort of like us in a wig, like yelling at 1688 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,120 Speaker 1: each other about like which spoon was magical? And which 1689 01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: one wasn't like um stupid queer stuff. And like it does, 1690 01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: it does. It does change when you can tell the 1691 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,120 Speaker 1: parents or they don't have a filter. Yeah, and then 1692 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,160 Speaker 1: there then there's something happened, I think, and it is 1693 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,599 Speaker 1: a male thing that I think they're told. They're just 1694 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,679 Speaker 1: very quickly you realize that that's not acceptable. There's things 1695 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,080 Speaker 1: not you know, there's things that are not are expected 1696 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,720 Speaker 1: of you, and there's things that are not acceptable, and 1697 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,080 Speaker 1: it's immediately it's a it's a very sort of about 1698 01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,360 Speaker 1: manning up in a way, and sports and things become 1699 01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,760 Speaker 1: very polarizing in that way too. And I think it 1700 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,439 Speaker 1: is really interesting and it's always magical when you meet 1701 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: people who have escaped that who are also straight, you 1702 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,559 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think I'm all I love 1703 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,439 Speaker 1: a straight boy in touch of these sort of femi 1704 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,599 Speaker 1: queer side. I think it's just the best thing ever. 1705 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,320 Speaker 1: And I and I I think that's actually something again 1706 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,120 Speaker 1: about your your generation and your group that I've seen 1707 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,880 Speaker 1: is that that is much that's much more integrated that 1708 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,360 Speaker 1: everyone everyone has a sort of much more integrated kind 1709 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,200 Speaker 1: of group of friends and it's much more and I 1710 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,880 Speaker 1: think you you know, you you lot, because you always 1711 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,519 Speaker 1: grew up with the internet, didn't you know, there was 1712 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,519 Speaker 1: never any time because we were we were in about 1713 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,160 Speaker 1: first second ord grade when it really starts to pop off, 1714 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,760 Speaker 1: right right, So that's when you're a little too So. Um, 1715 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,280 Speaker 1: I think you've always had access to so many more 1716 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 1: options in all sorts of ways, and you've grown up 1717 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,880 Speaker 1: with like at the click, at the you know, three 1718 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,960 Speaker 1: clicks away, having so much more information and so much 1719 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,760 Speaker 1: more understanding of things. And I think that's I mean, 1720 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,200 Speaker 1: there's obviously downsides to that as well, Um, but I 1721 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:36,800 Speaker 1: think actually it's made you a more friendly and open generation. 1722 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, well, let's hope so but then yes, let's 1723 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,160 Speaker 1: let's just hope so. But that's but now, but that's 1724 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,960 Speaker 1: that's that's very um, that's very stupid you. I mean, 1725 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,280 Speaker 1: I just think tearing hearing that talking about these five 1726 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,160 Speaker 1: year olds, it's like or these kids and the turn 1727 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,719 Speaker 1: it's like masculinity is self harm. Like that's that that 1728 01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,879 Speaker 1: that is what I truly believes that like like starting 1729 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 1: to like saddle yourself with an idea of how you 1730 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,400 Speaker 1: should behave as a man. It's just like it's just like, 1731 01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean that is just like gender nonsense that ends 1732 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:14,600 Speaker 1: up like ruining people's lives, you know, literally, you know 1733 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,680 Speaker 1: that my fellone of my favorite memories ever. This is 1734 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,000 Speaker 1: the last thing I'll bring up story parts. And I 1735 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,400 Speaker 1: bring it up because Henry was there, because Henry Copersky 1736 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,720 Speaker 1: was also a story pirate. He wasn't a performer, as 1737 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,600 Speaker 1: we know, Henry is more comfortable behind the keys. And 1738 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: he was like just he just texted me and said 1739 01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:32,439 Speaker 1: to send you, send you regards, regard regards. You tell 1740 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,280 Speaker 1: them I send my regards back. That's how you know 1741 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:40,360 Speaker 1: our relationship is over. There's a little applause emoji. Then 1742 01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,000 Speaker 1: I accept his regards. I'm in a text later. One time, 1743 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:45,559 Speaker 1: one time we were at a show. This is like 1744 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,760 Speaker 1: very early on before we were dating. And I think, um, 1745 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,120 Speaker 1: we started dating very shortly after this. But like this 1746 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,160 Speaker 1: little boy. The teacher brought up this little boy and 1747 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,640 Speaker 1: after the show and he had this book of pictures 1748 01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,800 Speaker 1: that he had drawn that he had like tied to 1749 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,960 Speaker 1: that are like uh taped together, and his teacher was like, 1750 01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: you know this is so and so he's one of 1751 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,240 Speaker 1: my he's one of my very special students. And he 1752 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,120 Speaker 1: he he wants you to show he wants to show 1753 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,600 Speaker 1: you this book that he wrote and illustrated, and he 1754 01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,760 Speaker 1: just sat there and like went through the book, and 1755 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a creative kid, like you know, 1756 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,880 Speaker 1: and it was very clear, like a young young kid 1757 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,680 Speaker 1: had done this. But to go to the length to 1758 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,680 Speaker 1: make up sucks. It's fucking sucked. I mean the art scarbage. 1759 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,160 Speaker 1: But now I'm kidding, but I don't remember the art 1760 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,360 Speaker 1: it might have. But but like the fact that he 1761 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,280 Speaker 1: was like, I'm ready and willing and able to prevent 1762 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,240 Speaker 1: this and I'm presenting art and I want to create art. 1763 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,479 Speaker 1: It just makes me feel like I want every kid. 1764 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: I want every kid to have access to all that 1765 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,120 Speaker 1: stuff because we don't know the genius that we could 1766 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,799 Speaker 1: be getting. And also we should say, it's so unfair 1767 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,759 Speaker 1: some of these schools that we went to that obviously 1768 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,519 Speaker 1: have no money. And I feel I just it's it was, 1769 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,280 Speaker 1: it's just so clear that so much in New York 1770 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,360 Speaker 1: needs to change, and so much everyone needs to change, 1771 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,920 Speaker 1: because the all these kids should have a chance to 1772 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,439 Speaker 1: like express themselves creatively and be exposed to stuff like 1773 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,519 Speaker 1: you were. Also just to have like you know, it's 1774 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,720 Speaker 1: good for you. It's actually it's just obsessed with like 1775 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,040 Speaker 1: who's the next you know, blah blah, who is going 1776 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,200 Speaker 1: to be the next Vincent van Go, Who's the next 1777 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 1: Mariah carry Actually, just the very fact of doing it 1778 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,320 Speaker 1: is good and healthy and as a as an important 1779 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,400 Speaker 1: thing we should do. Like keeping fit for our bodies, 1780 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,439 Speaker 1: we should also keep fit with our minds and our 1781 01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,639 Speaker 1: hearts and our imagination. That's what the arts is for. God, 1782 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,880 Speaker 1: I sound like a commercial, but the thing I always 1783 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,160 Speaker 1: remember is when you put Vincent van Go and Mariah 1784 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,120 Speaker 1: Carry on the same level, and I thank you. I 1785 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,120 Speaker 1: thank you for that as like as like like I 1786 01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,760 Speaker 1: really thank you for that. What do you what do 1787 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,920 Speaker 1: you think? I don't think so, honey. I think we 1788 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,880 Speaker 1: should move on and think so honey. This is our 1789 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,320 Speaker 1: segments in our show where we each take one minute 1790 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,640 Speaker 1: to rail against something in the culture or something that 1791 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,160 Speaker 1: is happening to us. Matt, do you have a topic. 1792 01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,519 Speaker 1: I do, and it's sort of fresh on my new 1793 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 1: newly New York mind. Okay, great, I will uh time you. 1794 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,880 Speaker 1: This is Mount Rogers is I don't think so, honey, 1795 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, 1796 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,519 Speaker 1: that the New York subways finally got figured out the 1797 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,360 Speaker 1: second I fucking left. All of a sudden, I come back, 1798 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,160 Speaker 1: and you can use your goddamn debit card to get in. 1799 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,679 Speaker 1: I don't have to get a metro card anymore. Metro 1800 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,200 Speaker 1: cards are a thing of the past. I don't think so, honey. 1801 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,519 Speaker 1: How come I used to have to suffer with that 1802 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 1: little piece of paper that I have to hold on 1803 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,200 Speaker 1: to for a month, and if I lost it, I 1804 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,599 Speaker 1: would lose the at the time insurmountable amount of money 1805 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 1: I had paid to get that. Now you can use 1806 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,719 Speaker 1: your goddamn debit card or credit card. I don't think so, honey. Also, 1807 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 1: there WiFi almost everywhere, on every single stop. Do you 1808 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,080 Speaker 1: know how many times I've been crying stuck in a 1809 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,040 Speaker 1: subway between like the fucking this and then that on 1810 01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:55,360 Speaker 1: like the truly pits D train, trying to get somewhere 1811 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,719 Speaker 1: and unable to communicate. Now communication is like water, everyone 1812 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,439 Speaker 1: can have it. I don't think so high. I have 1813 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,160 Speaker 1: to tell you, New York, you're trying it with maybe 1814 01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,280 Speaker 1: the humidity, but you're pulling me in with this new 1815 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,960 Speaker 1: subway system. Things are looking good. I don't know. Maybe 1816 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:15,400 Speaker 1: I do think so, honey, and that's one minute. It's 1817 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,280 Speaker 1: ever been like if there's a lot that's going on, 1818 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,160 Speaker 1: that's like I'm like, what the fund is going on? 1819 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,080 Speaker 1: But the subways have gotten pulled together. Hey, thank build 1820 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 1: a Blassi for that. Just kidding, I um, I think 1821 01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,479 Speaker 1: I think it's great that there's WiFi and every station. 1822 01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,439 Speaker 1: It's like it just makes the way. It's we're one 1823 01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,400 Speaker 1: step closer to making like internet usage like thing that 1824 01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 1: everyone can have for everyone. Yeah. I always think that 1825 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,519 Speaker 1: this when when I come to hotel and you have 1826 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,920 Speaker 1: to to pay for the WiFi, think discusting, disgusting. It's 1827 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,960 Speaker 1: just really like charging for that something that you could 1828 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,680 Speaker 1: give free to everyone. Yes, I just ridiculous talking and 1829 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,080 Speaker 1: especially in a swanky hotel and then they charge if 1830 01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,920 Speaker 1: the Internet I'm that year are they doing that? Where 1831 01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,240 Speaker 1: you're staying right now in the cave hotel is free? 1832 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,439 Speaker 1: God bless I'm telling into via the free access or 1833 01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,599 Speaker 1: I would be building you. No, it's no, it's all 1834 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,920 Speaker 1: for me. It's like worse when like it's like a 1835 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,040 Speaker 1: shitty hotel, Like I'm at a study hotel and you're 1836 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:20,240 Speaker 1: like it's like four you get born all night. Yes, 1837 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,040 Speaker 1: where does any holiday in get off charging you four 1838 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,720 Speaker 1: for WiFi? It's like you should be so lucky and 1839 01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:32,240 Speaker 1: I've checked into this establishment. But it's like, I suppose 1840 01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,160 Speaker 1: we don't make food call You remember when you used 1841 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,720 Speaker 1: to make calls on the phone and you're probably had 1842 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,479 Speaker 1: mobile phones. They must have made a lot of money 1843 01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,960 Speaker 1: from that and they lost all that, so we can 1844 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,160 Speaker 1: charge the internet. It's the same with like you know, 1845 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,280 Speaker 1: on planes, now you're not allowed to take emotional support animals. 1846 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 1: You can still take dogs, you just just have to pay 1847 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,200 Speaker 1: for them. This is being a big change. People would 1848 01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:51,519 Speaker 1: abusing it. But it's also I think of thing that 1849 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,479 Speaker 1: airplanes are like, how can we make some fucking money? 1850 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,000 Speaker 1: So we'll just stop doing that? And you know you 1851 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,599 Speaker 1: can still I could still go with my emotional support animal, 1852 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 1: la la, but I'm absolutely waiting to do that. Yeah, 1853 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 1: but not everyone can. That's and that's what everyone can. 1854 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,880 Speaker 1: That's rough makes an inconvenient. The WiFi on planes too 1855 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,640 Speaker 1: was a nightmare. That's truly expensive. We haven't progressed. We 1856 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,320 Speaker 1: haven't progressed on that front. And like several years and 1857 01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,200 Speaker 1: about like at least I would say seven years, there's 1858 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:28,160 Speaker 1: been no progress on the in flight WiFi front still 1859 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 1: still bad. It should be faster anyway, anyway. UM, so 1860 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,920 Speaker 1: that's mine for now, Um and yang? Are you ready 1861 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,679 Speaker 1: with your I don't think so, honey, I am. I've 1862 01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: got one. It's a little it's a little like whatever, 1863 01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,439 Speaker 1: but it's just just just it is what it is. 1864 01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,599 Speaker 1: It's a little whatever, but like it is what it is, 1865 01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,800 Speaker 1: and that Um, we are going to start bow and yang. 1866 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,920 Speaker 1: This is yours. I don't think so, honey. This week 1867 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,559 Speaker 1: and your time starts now, I don't think so, honey. 1868 01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,559 Speaker 1: Transcribing likes and ums in any trans script form, but 1869 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,519 Speaker 1: specifically interviews, specifically interviews with me, I'm not going to 1870 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,519 Speaker 1: be made to sound like a bumbling fool because I'm 1871 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,280 Speaker 1: actually trying to find the words in order to properly 1872 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,320 Speaker 1: convey the idea that I'm trying to communicate, specifically when 1873 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,599 Speaker 1: I'm doing a long day of press. For that I'm 1874 01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,840 Speaker 1: willing and happy to do for Hot White Heist. But 1875 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,000 Speaker 1: if you're catching me at the end of the press 1876 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 1: day and I've I'm a little too tired and I'm 1877 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,519 Speaker 1: having trouble articulating myself, please do me the courtesy of 1878 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,599 Speaker 1: cutting out the likes and the arms and the dusts 1879 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: and the filler words. And we all have filler words 1880 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,960 Speaker 1: in every culture. I don't think I don't think it's 1881 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,360 Speaker 1: a mark of unintelligence that you say like or um, 1882 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,919 Speaker 1: but it just it makes the reading of the interview 1883 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 1: very fragmented, very disorienting. It just doesn't make for a 1884 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,120 Speaker 1: good reading experience in terms of absorbing information for the reader. 1885 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: It just kills it. And I'm not gonna name the company. 1886 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to name the publication that did this 1887 01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,720 Speaker 1: to me today, but they did it to me, and 1888 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,400 Speaker 1: otherwise it would have been a great interview that read 1889 01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:01,080 Speaker 1: great on paper. Well, that's one I will say. Sometimes 1890 01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,639 Speaker 1: I do use a like or an arm for comedic effect, 1891 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,439 Speaker 1: but it's very clear when that, it's very clear when 1892 01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:10,120 Speaker 1: that's true and ironic use, yes, exactly. And I was 1893 01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,040 Speaker 1: just Alan, I was trying to tell him about the 1894 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,880 Speaker 1: damn show and they and they just kind of broke 1895 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,639 Speaker 1: it up into all these and like, you can string 1896 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,240 Speaker 1: it together, I promise you can. You can. You can 1897 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,240 Speaker 1: edit it make it sounds somewhat cohesive. Do you know 1898 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:25,920 Speaker 1: what I hate when you do that? Like sometimes you 1899 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,720 Speaker 1: know how something should do like, do you do that 1900 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,320 Speaker 1: when you go? I often say I don't want to 1901 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,080 Speaker 1: do the interview. You'll can send me the questions on 1902 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,719 Speaker 1: an email and I will then do a voice love 1903 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,840 Speaker 1: love that I do a voice memo and I send 1904 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,599 Speaker 1: it back to What I think is despicable, and it's 1905 01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,559 Speaker 1: happened a few times, is that they published the voice 1906 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,600 Speaker 1: memo without asking make an audio file. Instead of transcribing 1907 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,280 Speaker 1: what you said, they do an audio file and put 1908 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,599 Speaker 1: it out into the world. That that's invasive. I don't 1909 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,720 Speaker 1: like that at all. So it's very invasive. Exactly. It's 1910 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,000 Speaker 1: like my I don't I actually have and I don't think, so, honey, 1911 01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: might like to do one. I don't know it. You 1912 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,080 Speaker 1: actually required, you're required to do one. We're not putting 1913 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,559 Speaker 1: this out unless we get and I don't think I 1914 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,559 Speaker 1: have I have it. I have it. This is alan 1915 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,519 Speaker 1: comings I don't think, so honey, And as time starts now, 1916 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Is that I hate when 1917 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,920 Speaker 1: people say things to you and they mean it to 1918 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,519 Speaker 1: be an insult, but they're actually seeing something that's actually true. 1919 01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Like when people I remember, like a few years ago, 1920 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,800 Speaker 1: I hosted the Tonys and I wore a short suit 1921 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,760 Speaker 1: like a pair of shorts. Thank you. It was a 1922 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,799 Speaker 1: good look. And and the and they saw the designer 1923 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,280 Speaker 1: who had didn't They sold out the next day. It 1924 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 1: was a big thing. Well that Frank Rich. I will 1925 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:39,120 Speaker 1: name him in New York magazine Who And Frank Rich, 1926 01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,280 Speaker 1: of course was the theater critic for the New York Times, 1927 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, like the butcher bloody. Anyway, he said to me, 1928 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Alan coming looks he thinks he's being youthful. He just 1929 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,400 Speaker 1: looks middle aged. Guess what, I am fucking middle aged? 1930 01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,800 Speaker 1: Frank Rich? Why are you insulting me with something that's true? 1931 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,880 Speaker 1: And it's also when people say to you you're I go, 1932 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,600 Speaker 1: of course, I'm a wanker. I masturbate regularly. Why do 1933 01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,720 Speaker 1: you say to me? Yes? Why are you saying that 1934 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,880 Speaker 1: as an insult? You do it too. I just think 1935 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,960 Speaker 1: we should all look like when we're going to use 1936 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,480 Speaker 1: a pejorative, and we've got to make sure the pejorative 1937 01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,439 Speaker 1: is a terrible thing and not the truth. I don't 1938 01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:16,200 Speaker 1: think so, honey. One more like Frank bitch? Am I right? 1939 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,639 Speaker 1: That's rule culture number six? More like Frank Bitch. Also, 1940 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,599 Speaker 1: Frank Rich as a theater critics should have something more 1941 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,280 Speaker 1: like pointed and sophisticated to say, then you look middle eight. 1942 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:32,040 Speaker 1: They are not necessarily sophisticated theater critics. It doesn't matter 1943 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,040 Speaker 1: who would they write for, Okay, because we could also 1944 01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,679 Speaker 1: name more names. But there have been some flop theater critics. Yeahah, 1945 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,599 Speaker 1: I obviously struck a chord in some way with them 1946 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,920 Speaker 1: that it was by my presence and my not conforming 1947 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,400 Speaker 1: to something. But I was just like, that's a stupid 1948 01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,800 Speaker 1: thing to say. I'm middle and I'm not just wating. 1949 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,720 Speaker 1: Shorts to not mid laser were in hurt because I 1950 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,120 Speaker 1: think it looks nice. Fucky exactly. You get to wake 1951 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:56,960 Speaker 1: up every morning and b Allen coming and he has 1952 01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,200 Speaker 1: to wake up every morning and be frank Rich Oh 1953 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:07,160 Speaker 1: my god, bitch. Yeah, I think I think, yes, an 1954 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,480 Speaker 1: insult is not that insulting if it's just like accurate 1955 01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,639 Speaker 1: in a way that is not pejorative. It's mean, yeah, yeah, 1956 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,880 Speaker 1: it's meant. It's me, but it's not it's thoughtless because 1957 01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,400 Speaker 1: it's not even like do a better insult. I'm here 1958 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean. I think there's 1959 01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,040 Speaker 1: nothing better than a clever insult. Yeah, make an effort 1960 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,880 Speaker 1: to case it in like some an effort. Yeah, I'm 1961 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,000 Speaker 1: One of my favorite Trump things was when he came 1962 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,479 Speaker 1: to to to Scotland. I saw these people and there 1963 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,280 Speaker 1: was a man holding up a sign and it said Donald, 1964 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,400 Speaker 1: everyone thinks you're a bare end. And I just thought 1965 01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,080 Speaker 1: that was the best thing ever. Do you know what 1966 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,800 Speaker 1: bell end is? No? What is that, dick? It's like 1967 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:53,200 Speaker 1: you know that, yes, gesticulation. And the other thing there 1968 01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,719 Speaker 1: was a lady when he first came during the campaign, 1969 01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,920 Speaker 1: and it was the when the Scottish uh know, when 1970 01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,760 Speaker 1: exit happened. He actually flew to Britain and he was 1971 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,000 Speaker 1: in Scotland at his thing and he said a great 1972 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,799 Speaker 1: result for Scotland we got and actually Scotland had voted 1973 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,439 Speaker 1: to stay in Europe and the rest of Britain and vote. 1974 01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,280 Speaker 1: So you got it all wrong in many ways, not 1975 01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,519 Speaker 1: surposing me. But there was two things that made me 1976 01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,960 Speaker 1: laugh so much and made me very proud. One was 1977 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,439 Speaker 1: that these people had hired a Marry actually band to 1978 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,080 Speaker 1: be played right beside his golf course, right so he 1979 01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,240 Speaker 1: had to pass of Mary actually had to get into 1980 01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,719 Speaker 1: And there was a little lady who's this comedian actually 1981 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,439 Speaker 1: Jenny good She was holding a sign that she'd made, 1982 01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 1: so she looked like a little lady with a little 1983 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,200 Speaker 1: cardboard piece of cardboard and she's painted. And I said, 1984 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,839 Speaker 1: Trump is a count on the thing right, and there's 1985 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,320 Speaker 1: a policeman coming towards are going, I'm sorry, darling, you're 1986 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to do you know. It was just fantastic. 1987 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,200 Speaker 1: And then we were later at the bath to awards 1988 01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,519 Speaker 1: and Scott and I was getting one of My mom 1989 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,559 Speaker 1: was with me, and the lady who had held up 1990 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,920 Speaker 1: the sign was there, but she was all used up 1991 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,439 Speaker 1: and had her makeup on in here and I didn't 1992 01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,160 Speaker 1: recognize her, and she went, oh, Alan, it's Jenny. I 1993 01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,439 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, and she went you don't remember, 1994 01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,639 Speaker 1: and the Trump is a count, lady, And I was like, oh, 1995 01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,080 Speaker 1: it's so nice to see you. And then my mom was, Mom, 1996 01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:05,360 Speaker 1: this is Jenny, and I remember Trump is a count, 1997 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:10,519 Speaker 1: and she went to remember Trump is aunt remember, Oh 1998 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:16,160 Speaker 1: my goodness, I do, of course the count. That this 1999 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,120 Speaker 1: actually is so funny. What I wanted to tell you 2000 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:19,960 Speaker 1: when you were telling your Ian McKellen story right in 2001 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,960 Speaker 1: Balso involves Henry that we went to Europe like on 2002 01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,599 Speaker 1: like for like a week and a half, like years 2003 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,640 Speaker 1: ago when we were dating and we went to England 2004 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,280 Speaker 1: and we were in London and we were we came 2005 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,080 Speaker 1: out of our hotel. I think we were like finishing 2006 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,720 Speaker 1: up a blunt. We're walking down the street finishing a 2007 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,920 Speaker 1: blunt and a hundred yards Yeah, I know, he's yeah, 2008 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,760 Speaker 1: he learned. He didn't learn it from me, but he 2009 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,080 Speaker 1: got much much better at being quote unquote Henry from 2010 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,080 Speaker 1: meeting some tips on joint. I tell you. So we 2011 01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,640 Speaker 1: were we were like, we were like finishing one and 2012 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,360 Speaker 1: about a hundred yards in front of us, there was 2013 01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,800 Speaker 1: this guy who sort of was like in the in 2014 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,639 Speaker 1: the visage of um Ian McKellen, And I said, finished 2015 01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,760 Speaker 1: that before we see Hell he and McKellen up there 2016 01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,920 Speaker 1: and we laughed, We laughed, walked up. It was he 2017 01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,559 Speaker 1: would have loved it. I was like, I was like, wow, 2018 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you weird. We've just checked into the hotel, 2019 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,759 Speaker 1: walked down on the street. I was like, yeah, McKellen 2020 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,559 Speaker 1: over here. It was. It was you creatively visualized them, man, 2021 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:20,400 Speaker 1: there we go create a visualization title about title of that. Well, 2022 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:26,719 Speaker 1: this is truly an auspicious episode. Overall, but a wonderful ending. 2023 01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,120 Speaker 1: This was really wonderful. We're gonna let you go on 2024 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,920 Speaker 1: this plane with Henry. I know. I'm just to go 2025 01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,040 Speaker 1: and have an experience, another lovely experience. It's been so 2026 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,600 Speaker 1: nice to talk to you every really really enjoyed it, 2027 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,720 Speaker 1: and lovely to finally meet you properly. Matt. We're not likewise, 2028 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you you're you're such a 2029 01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean that they throw the word around, but you 2030 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,000 Speaker 1: are an iconomy everything you've done, everything, you are, everything 2031 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna be. Seriously bless you, bless you. I love 2032 01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,240 Speaker 1: I love the way the lights going down behind you 2033 01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,880 Speaker 1: in Long Eye. The lights are going out all over 2034 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,880 Speaker 1: Long Island. You know there's a beautiful song the lights 2035 01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,880 Speaker 1: and Long Island. Just kidding that doesn't exist. But we'll 2036 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,160 Speaker 1: get Henry on the keys and the keys we end 2037 01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,679 Speaker 1: up every episode of the song. Matt, Sure do, let's 2038 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:12,200 Speaker 1: let's do it. What dude do? What did you do? 2039 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,439 Speaker 1: Shake it off? R? Maybe crazy? You know if I 2040 01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,800 Speaker 1: could I do anything for you? What is the last 2041 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,960 Speaker 1: len for the song? Please don't ignore me because for me, 2042 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,920 Speaker 1: because you know why I adore you? Well, my fairy 2043 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,400 Speaker 1: Andryus is really gone. It's amazing. For the rest of 2044 01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,360 Speaker 1: that song, listen to the Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack 2045 01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:40,240 Speaker 1: starring Alan Coming. Thank my gosh, thank you so much.