WEBVTT - Outlaw: Criminalization of ICE Watch in Minneapolis 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.840 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.160 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and this is it Could 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.840 Happen Here. Today, We've got a special episode for you. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.560 This is a guest episode by Olive, a Minneapolis resident 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.480 and movement legal worker who hosts the Outlaw podcast. So, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.560 without further ado, here's Olive. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.960 Minneapolis, Purple City Print. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.559 Put it on a map, Hi, and welcome to the 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.360 first crossover episode of it Could Happen Here and Outlaw, 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.760 an anti oppression podcast where we demystify how the law 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:52.120 is used to neutralize descent in the US. I'm your host, Olive. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.880 I live in Minneapolis, and if you've read a single 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.279 headline over the last two months, you probably know that 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.800 we are battling the largest immigration enforcement operation in US history. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.640 Since early December, Minnesota has been occupied by three thousand 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:13.679 agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE and Customs and 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:19.520 Border Protection CBP, who have already abducted, imprisoned, and deported 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.120 at least four thousand people. In the face of this 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:28.080 devastating federal occupation, people are showing up every single day 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.319 to defend their migrant neighbors in unimaginably beautiful ways. And 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.040 on the other side of this effective resistance is expansive 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.200 legal repression all of the many ways the state uses 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.320 the law and its enforcement mechanisms to crush dissent. More 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.920 than four hundred people have been arrested for protesting ICE 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.960 or following ICE vehicles, with thirty five of them now 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:59.520 facing federal charges under eighteen USC. One eleven, assaulting, resisting, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.720 or in peing a federal officer. I think it's really 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.160 important for those of you outside of Minnesota to know 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.359 how law enforcement and political prosecution are working here, because 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.639 it might come to where you live to and it's 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.640 different than other kinds of movement repression that I've seen. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.480 Instead of the agencies that normally police citizen protesters, like 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.200 local and state cops or the FBI, it's primarily ICE 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.960 and CBP who are carrying out arrests, and its wholeland 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:34.560 Security investigations doing the investigations. It's happening this way because 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.960 arrests are mostly happening when people are responding to ICE activity, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.920 and so those are the agencies who are present to 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.240 make arrests. This impacts everything from how arrests go down 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.400 and the conditions of incarceration, to the kinds of charges 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.800 that people are catching. To understand what all this actually means, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.760 you need to hear from those who are experiencing it, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.920 the people who have been detained and prosecuted for pro 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.240 testing ICE. So in this episode, you'll hear two interviews 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.560 from Minneapolis rapid responders. First, you'll hear from Clem and 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.640 Ray about their experience being arrested out of their car 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:17.480 and taken into ICE attention. And second, Lucy and Isabelle 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.960 will talk about catching charges and navigating cases during the surge. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.880 Stick around at the end for a special treat, a 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.720 poem from isabel and a new song out of Minneapolis 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.519 that responds to the surge, and just the heads up 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.280 before we get into it. In this episode, you're going 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.480 to hear people talk about their first hand experiences with 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.960 police violence. So take care of yourself and if you 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.720 like the episode, check out the other episodes of Outlaw 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:53.560 wherever you listen to podcastsous from the North, from the South, 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:58.200 from everywhere, Welcome to Outlaw. You're both here to talk 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.200 about legal oppression of ice water in Minneapolis over the 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.240 past two months. Can you both introduce yourselves briefly and 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.960 your connection to the Twin Cities. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.880 I am ray is. They then pronouns I'm from here. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.960 I grew up here and have lived most of my 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.040 life in the Twin Cities, and I now live in 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.479 Potterhorn Park. That's in South Minneapolis. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.480 Site of high ice activity, the highest I believe. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.359 I would think that is true, and quite close to 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.719 the sites of George Floyd as well as Renee Goods murders. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:39.960 My name is Clem. I've lived in the Cities for 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.279 like five years maybe now. I grew up in the 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.640 Southwest and I also live like on the border of 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.080 Powder Horn in the Central neighborhood, so kind of yeah, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.680 halfway between where Renee was shot and where George Floyd 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:55.119 was killed. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.800 So you both were arrested while you were doing ice 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.160 w in your car. For people who are listening, this 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.919 gets called commuting here. It can look different ways, but 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.880 it often involves a hyper local signal call with a 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.040 dispatcher and commuters to be able to notify and dispatch 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.360 rapid responders when ice is around. Commuters track ice vehicles, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.520 oftentimes following them around, which ICE doesn't like. So my 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.400 question for you two is what kinds of tactics have 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.160 you witnessed state agents use to stop this kind of 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.720 rapid response organizing. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.240 I feel like they have escalated and it always depends 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.640 on the agent. But there's times where they'll just slow 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.680 roll and drive like a normal person. There's times where 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.960 they'll run red lights, they'll break check you, they'll just 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.919 like go in loops around the city to try and 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:50.240 lose you. And then depending on however they are, they'll 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.880 try and pull you over and intimidate you, or they'll 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.680 try and lead you to like a police station or 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.960 have a share of pull you over. And they've threatened 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:06.880 people with like stocking charges and stuff like that. And yeah, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.880 we personally have been we've had agents come up to 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.880 our windows when we were commuting, the two of us, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.159 we've had we followed agents like all the way to 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:21.880 northeast and a long time, probably like an hour, and 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.120 then eventually downtown they had sheriffs pull up on us 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.600 and pull us over and tell us to stop following. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.400 And then we have the other thing that I'm sure 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.200 you want to talk to us about. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.080 A lot of what we've been seeing is just this 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:44.599 recklessness like speaking through red lights and not signaling, just 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.720 like a lot of like traffic violations. And then once 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.480 you're pulled over, just having your windows smashed it and 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.800 like them using all these intimidation tactics but like not 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.320 necessarily detaining people. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.400 Yeah, and all of these vehicles don't necessarily look like 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.520 a cop car. It's pretty rare for them to like 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.520 actually turn on their lights and sirens. So when they're 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:11.080 going through intersections as quote unquote law enforcement, it's pretty 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.240 rare for someone to see them. And there are times 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.400 where we almost witness like te bones of them just 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.280 recklessly running a red light. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:18.720 Yeah, all the time. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.840 There's been a good number of car accidents also involving 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.720 their cars. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.760 Right, Yeah, and like not even caused by communing. They've 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.720 just slipped on ice and ran into poles and then 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.880 they tear gas observers who were heckling them because they 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:35.600 don't know how to drive in Minnesota. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:43.400 Let's turn to January seventh, twenty twenty sixth, the same 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 day Renee Good was killed by ice. You both were 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.280 out commuting. Can you tell me about how that day 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.160 started for you? 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:56.560 It was me picking up Clem, and immediately there was 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.960 like a sus car that like zoomed off, and then 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.320 Clem check the plates and it was Ice that we 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:08.680 think was just waiting outside of the house to intimidate. Unclear, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:13.160 but I mean it certainly felt that way. Had anything 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.920 happened like that to you before Clem with them targeting 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.720 the house, wasn't there something that. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.040 I think at that point because they've used the tactic 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.560 too of like when an observer is tailing them, they'll 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.120 run your license plate and then drive you back to 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.840 your house that the car is registered to as an 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.240 intimidation tactic and they'll get out and take pictures of 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.520 the house. But I think at that point me and 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.760 my roommates that hadn't happened yet. But we had spent 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.320 a lot of time at Whipple, like just observing the 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.200 cars going in now the gates and trying to record 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.960 all that data. And when you're there, there's just like 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.319 intimidation vehicles that will just like drive up right next 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.520 to your driver's side window and film you and take pictures. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.120 So it was certainly in some sort of database at 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:03.959 that point. But what's Whipple is the federal building that 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.520 is near Fort Snelling State Park, which is by the airport, 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.280 and that's where ICE has been operating out of, and 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.760 it's the Command headquarters for like the entire Upper Midwest, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:18.720 so Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakota is I think Iowa too. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.400 Okay, So the day starts off, there's an ice agent 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.920 outside your house and you get in the car to 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.000 start commuting. Tell me about what happens next. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.000 The abandoned car. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first thing I responded to is 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.400 near Little Earth, which is like a gated community but 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.000 for like people who are it's like an urban reservation, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.720 is what it calls itself. And there's a call of 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.439 ice at a park nearby there, and we showed up 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.840 and there was just an abandoned car. And when I 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.760 went and talked to someone on the street, you staying 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.880 next to it, basically explained the situation of ice roll 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.680 up on them, and they ran on foot and left 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.880 the car, and they basically had to push the car 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.840 out of the road, and then they ended up locking 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.800 it because the person's documents. So I was staying with 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.200 the car and calling tow truck companies that have offered 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.439 free toes for people who have gone inducted. And so 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.600 we were probably there for like, I don't know, more 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:26.120 than thirty minutes, and I think as that was happening 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.199 is when Renee was shot. So neither of us were 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.280 like on the call or looking at shots or anything, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.280 and really went home for a break. And that's when 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:36.560 we heard the news of that. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.640 Yeah, because I lived really close by to there, and 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.600 there was a lot of swirling information, so people saying, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.400 you know, someone was shot, and then at first people 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.200 being like, come down to this area, and then you know, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.560 very shortly after people being like, it's totally cordoned off, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.520 don't come down. There's also enough observers and we need 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.800 people to be out there doing this still because we 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.000 can't invest all of our resources into this one thing 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.880 that's happening. And probably within the hours when we got 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.679 the message that was saying that there were vehicles staged 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.080 in a parking lot down the street. So we drove 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:22.880 down there and there were already observers, people in cars 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:30.000 and on foot, probably around thirty people, and it was 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:36.840 kind of a standoff of these vehicles, probably around five 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.520 fish vehicles, and then people blowing whistles, honking horns, and 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.840 so Clem and I were there in the car doing that. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:51.360 So you see the news that Renee was killed and 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.800 for doing exactly what you were doing driving around your 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.040 neighborhood to look out for your neighbors, and you get 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.439 back in the car and you keep going. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.520 Yeah, that didn't stop us. I mean, if anything, it 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.480 you know, made us feel like we need to be 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.000 out here because they're not stopping. We're not going to 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:10.520 stop either. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.080 So you said, you arrive at the next scene, where 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.000 are you and what is ICE doing there? 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.120 Yeah, it's the Dollar Tree parking lot, which is like 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:26.880 on Lake Street and the uptown area. And yeah, there's 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.280 five vehicles presumably staging because what we've been calling out 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.000 where they're just like parked planning what they're going to 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.440 do next. And there weren't any agents out of car. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.080 It was just a bunch of cars sitting there that 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:41.080 we knew were ICE. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.240 And a bunch of observers were responded. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.960 We were just like in the parking lot, they could 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.000 still have driven around us, like there was room on 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.480 either side of our car that they could have driven 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.040 past us. And then in addition to that they could 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.200 have driven around like there were just several options for 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.440 them to get around it us. At that point, I 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.920 think some agents got out and were like, move your vehicle, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:10.080 move your vehicle. And one of the cars this like 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.400 huge suv ramm to the back of my car. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.640 To get it out of the way while you were 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:17.920 in it. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.240 What we were in it, Yeah, And I think at 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.040 that point clem turned to me was like, they're gonna 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:28.440 smash out the windows and I was like yep. And 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.000 so at that point I think we were both prepared 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.080 for for what was going to happen. I guess though. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.720 Also I mean once they smashed the back of the car, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.599 I was thinking like, Okay, they got us out of 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.800 the way, like that might be it. But then so 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.720 the cars out of the way, but they all got 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.400 out of their vehicles. They first maced the windows, so 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.280 it's like they have a die in it. It's like 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.720 a bright orange and they maced the passenger, the driver, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:02.040 and the windshields windows and they came around on they 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.280 smashed both both of the passenger and driver windows and 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:14.400 then sprayed bear mace through clemside into both of our faces. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.560 Right before they smashed the windows, we grabbed each other's 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.080 hands and we just held hands as it was happening 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:30.480 around us. And then I saw that bright orange mace 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.520 coming from the passenger windows. So they sprayed it directly 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.800 in Clem's face, and then they reached over and sprayed 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.680 me and they were able to open up the doors 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:49.800 with the windows smashed, and they dragged us out, and 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.720 he punched me in the jaw, like in the lip 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:59.440 really while they cuffed me, and they used pain compliance. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:00.600 It's like a. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.640 I mean, it's torture. So they've pulled my wrist up 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:11.080 or my hand up against my arm with the cuffs on, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.760 and then pulled me or like up against the vehicle 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.400 where I was detained separately from the Clem. You can 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.520 talk about what happened to you at the same time. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.480 Yeah, So I could feel the door open, and then 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.760 they tried to yank me out and under my seat 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.520 belt and I was holding onto the seat belt and 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.080 eventually they got that undone and I was just like 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.720 trying to hold onto you as tired as I could 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.200 until they were able to break that grasp. And then 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.480 two agents pulled me out and slammed me on the 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.160 floor and got on top of me and put me 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.520 in cuffs and I'm still just have my eyes closed 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:58.680 so the mace doesn't get in them. And yeah, from there, 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.400 I fell a few times and kept just being dead weight, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.280 and they kept trying to take me to cars, but 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.480 they didn't know which car they were supposed to go to, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.720 or they would go to a car and they didn't 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.840 have the keys for it. So I was just like 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.240 kept getting walked in circles, not seeing what was going on, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.080 and like hearing the confusion of all of them, until 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.080 eventually I got put in the back of a car 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.520 and you got put into a separate car. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.320 And the way there, I mostly just was focused on 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.040 breathing through the pain on the way to Whipple, and 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.200 like what was so disgusting to me? I mean, it 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.840 was so fresh in our minds that Renee had just 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.920 been killed, right, and I'm hearing them singing on the radio. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.320 There was one agent who is singing like I got 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.400 a packet, got a packet for the sunshine or something 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.480 like that, and had a lot of laughter. I remember 0:16:53.480 --> 0:17:01.440 the phrases fucking Somali's and later one of them complaining 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:06.800 about all these fucking whistles, and I remember thinking like, oh, fuck, yeah, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:13.479 they're working, And wasn't too long before we arrived in 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:20.000 the garage. It's a giant garage where they process people 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:27.840 and there are mostly agents, vehicles, and people have been detained, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.840 like a line of people have been detained. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.399 Yeah, I just want to point a couple of things 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.000 out in what you both have said that's a little 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.200 bit different than we normally see in protests related legal repression, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.560 which is one detention of people who are citizen protesters 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.520 or just people arrested for protest activity by ICE, by 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.240 immigration enforcement or by federal agents in general. That's usually 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.280 something that is done by state or local law enforcement 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.200 cops or sheriffs, and people are taken to the local 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.480 jail for processing. But here what's happening is you're being 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.840 taken to Whipple, which is the ICE Detention center where 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.360 all non citizens detained by ICE for immigration reasons are 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.920 also taken and processed. But you're also being brought there, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.800 so you're getting a window into ICE operations and you're 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.960 taken into a place that people also normally don't have 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:26.480 access to. It's a pretty high security building that they 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:31.320 don't like people from the outside inside. But there you 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.120 are in the garage, right. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.600 Yeah, So we're on our knees and at one point 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.840 I commented on how young the people looked that were 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.080 holding Clem and they pulled us apart and they brought 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.960 me to the opposite side of the garage, and they're 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.800 still using the pain compliance. They're filming me. The whole time. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.840 There was just a bunch of agents that were filming me, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.840 and like three guys that were like on me. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:18:59.919 And. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.560 I said to them, I said, make it hurt, daddy, 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.159 and I was being mouthy, and just this one guy 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.200 in particularly seemed really freaked out by that, and they 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.080 he pushed me to the ground with my face to 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.280 the floor, and he said, you like the dirt, queer. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:23.520 And my reaction for a lot of the time that 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.160 this was happening is I just was laughing and laughing, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.520 and I said, yeah, I fucking love the dirt, like 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.200 I love the dirt more than anything. And I don't 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.560 know how long I was like that, but they kept 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.960 me on the ground and then eventually brought us in 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.480 to bring us to the cells. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.920 We walked past like this central command hub with all 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.840 of these people who are working in this so called 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.479 metro surge operation, and then on the left for cells 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.720 of people who had been detained. I think we passed 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.560 at least five cells from what we you could see, 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.080 and they were filled just like wall to wall of 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.000 black and brown people that yeah, I had like one 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.639 toilet in there, so probably at least like two or 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:10.879 three hundred people in there. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:17.919 The desolation sticks with me and they led me to 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.719 a separate cell, then Clem and this other person that 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.840 we were detained with, and these were seemingly like the 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.560 remaining cells that were available in the in the whole area, 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.479 because I mean it was just full up, like they 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.720 were like completely a capacity with a number of people 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:46.840 they've abducted. Clem and I are were in there for 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.760 hours with mace in our in our eyes and like 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.080 no relief from that. And I remember just laying on 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.240 the ground and an agent coming in pretty soon after 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.520 an asshole and he was like, we've got gourmet potato 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.760 and chicken and Brussels sprouts or something, and he hands 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:13.960 me this like little plastic container with like this just 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.240 this white paste or like just neat, you know, just like. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.959 Like a microwave meal of goop. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.879 Goop, just disgusting goop. But we were in there for 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:30.000 a while before being taken back, and I think they 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.880 took me back first, and I refused to say anything 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.840 without a lawyer, obviously, they hand me a piece of 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:44.280 paper and after reading me or by rights, and they said, actually, 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.840 we need you to read these back to us to 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.879 confirm that you speak English and understand English. And I 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.400 was like, weird, but okay. So I start to read 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.560 it and it's all pretty normal, and then I get 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.639 to a paragraph that says something to the effect of like, 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:04.639 no knowing these rights, I waved my rights. So I 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.639 was being tricked into waving my rights, which I thought 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.240 I was going crazy. I did not understand at the time, 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.720 and I stopped halfway through the sentence and I read 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.520 it over and over and over, trying to make sense 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.000 of it. And I said to them, I was like, 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.040 I don't understand what I'm being asked to read. I'm 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:23.919 not going to keep reading this. And they were like, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.320 that's okay, we have what we need and they took 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:30.040 it back and then I got a phone call Clempton not. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.439 We got taken into the interrogation room and it was 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.600 like too Homeland Security, I don't know, like detective or whatever. 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.320 But they like opened it with saying like, I know 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.680 this is all like can be a lot right now, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.320 so feel free to just like let it loose. In 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.280 this room and I just like kind of looked at them, 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.919 like what are you talking about? Like it's it was 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.520 jarring to go from dealing with a month of seeing 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:01.359 only these people in masks and just like as this 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:06.560 like horrible monstrosity of like a fascist, and then being 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.040 inside of there and like seeing that command cetter of 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.040 all those people working on the computers like making this 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.639 whole thing work, and then all these detectives who like 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.000 think they're detached from it and think that they're not 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:19.919 a part of what's going down on the streets right 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.520 now just because they're working inside the building. And yeah, 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.320 so same thing happened. They try to ask me questions 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.919 and I said I wouldn't say anything without a lawyer president, 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.360 and I asked for a phone call, and they did 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.800 the same thing with the rights where they were going 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.160 to read them to me, and then the other detectives said, actually, 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.480 we don't need to do that, and so one of 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.760 them just left for a bit, and so I was 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.760 just like left in the room with the like assistant 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.800 detective and he just like asked me some how's your 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:54.960 day going question? And I just kind of dead stare 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.880 at him for like twenty minutes, which felt pretty good 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.719 because he was very uncomp rival and kept with just 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.200 like avoiding eye contact and I don't know, it's a 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.199 small amount of power you can have when you're in 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.640 a cage. And I got taken back to my room 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.639 and tried the intercolm and asked if I could get 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.040 a phone call, and they said I'll get a phone 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.240 call after booking. So I was pretty worried about what 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.919 was going to happen that Actually they said they had 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.600 lawyer president and yeah, there's two real cool lawyers were 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.320 there that we know and are friends with, and they 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.520