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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and this is it Could

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Speaker 2: Happen Here. Today, We've got a special episode for you.

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Speaker 2: This is a guest episode by Olive, a Minneapolis resident

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Speaker 2: and movement legal worker who hosts the Outlaw podcast. So,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, here's Olive.

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Speaker 3: Minneapolis, Purple City Print.

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Speaker 4: Put it on a map, Hi, and welcome to the

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Speaker 4: first crossover episode of it Could Happen Here and Outlaw,

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Speaker 4: an anti oppression podcast where we demystify how the law

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Speaker 4: is used to neutralize descent in the US. I'm your host, Olive.

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Speaker 4: I live in Minneapolis, and if you've read a single

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Speaker 4: headline over the last two months, you probably know that

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Speaker 4: we are battling the largest immigration enforcement operation in US history.

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Speaker 4: Since early December, Minnesota has been occupied by three thousand

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Speaker 4: agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE and Customs and

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Speaker 4: Border Protection CBP, who have already abducted, imprisoned, and deported

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Speaker 4: at least four thousand people. In the face of this

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Speaker 4: devastating federal occupation, people are showing up every single day

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Speaker 4: to defend their migrant neighbors in unimaginably beautiful ways. And

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Speaker 4: on the other side of this effective resistance is expansive

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Speaker 4: legal repression all of the many ways the state uses

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Speaker 4: the law and its enforcement mechanisms to crush dissent. More

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Speaker 4: than four hundred people have been arrested for protesting ICE

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Speaker 4: or following ICE vehicles, with thirty five of them now

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Speaker 4: facing federal charges under eighteen USC. One eleven, assaulting, resisting,

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Speaker 4: or in peing a federal officer. I think it's really

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Speaker 4: important for those of you outside of Minnesota to know

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Speaker 4: how law enforcement and political prosecution are working here, because

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Speaker 4: it might come to where you live to and it's

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Speaker 4: different than other kinds of movement repression that I've seen.

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Speaker 4: Instead of the agencies that normally police citizen protesters, like

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Speaker 4: local and state cops or the FBI, it's primarily ICE

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Speaker 4: and CBP who are carrying out arrests, and its wholeland

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Speaker 4: Security investigations doing the investigations. It's happening this way because

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Speaker 4: arrests are mostly happening when people are responding to ICE activity,

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Speaker 4: and so those are the agencies who are present to

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Speaker 4: make arrests. This impacts everything from how arrests go down

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Speaker 4: and the conditions of incarceration, to the kinds of charges

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Speaker 4: that people are catching. To understand what all this actually means,

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Speaker 4: you need to hear from those who are experiencing it,

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Speaker 4: the people who have been detained and prosecuted for pro

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Speaker 4: testing ICE. So in this episode, you'll hear two interviews

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Speaker 4: from Minneapolis rapid responders. First, you'll hear from Clem and

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Speaker 4: Ray about their experience being arrested out of their car

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Speaker 4: and taken into ICE attention. And second, Lucy and Isabelle

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Speaker 4: will talk about catching charges and navigating cases during the surge.

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Speaker 4: Stick around at the end for a special treat, a

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Speaker 4: poem from isabel and a new song out of Minneapolis

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Speaker 4: that responds to the surge, and just the heads up

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Speaker 4: before we get into it. In this episode, you're going

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Speaker 4: to hear people talk about their first hand experiences with

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Speaker 4: police violence. So take care of yourself and if you

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Speaker 4: like the episode, check out the other episodes of Outlaw

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Speaker 4: wherever you listen to podcastsous from the North, from the South,

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Speaker 4: from everywhere, Welcome to Outlaw. You're both here to talk

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Speaker 4: about legal oppression of ice water in Minneapolis over the

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Speaker 4: past two months. Can you both introduce yourselves briefly and

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Speaker 4: your connection to the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 5: I am ray is. They then pronouns I'm from here.

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Speaker 5: I grew up here and have lived most of my

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Speaker 5: life in the Twin Cities, and I now live in

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Speaker 5: Potterhorn Park. That's in South Minneapolis.

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Speaker 4: Site of high ice activity, the highest I believe.

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Speaker 5: I would think that is true, and quite close to

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Speaker 5: the sites of George Floyd as well as Renee Goods murders.

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Speaker 1: My name is Clem. I've lived in the Cities for

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Speaker 1: like five years maybe now. I grew up in the

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Speaker 1: Southwest and I also live like on the border of

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Speaker 1: Powder Horn in the Central neighborhood, so kind of yeah,

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Speaker 1: halfway between where Renee was shot and where George Floyd

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Speaker 4: So you both were arrested while you were doing ice

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Speaker 4: w in your car. For people who are listening, this

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Speaker 4: it often involves a hyper local signal call with a

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Speaker 4: rapid responders when ice is around. Commuters track ice vehicles,

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Speaker 4: oftentimes following them around, which ICE doesn't like. So my

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Speaker 4: question for you two is what kinds of tactics have

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Speaker 1: I feel like they have escalated and it always depends

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Speaker 1: on the agent. But there's times where they'll just slow

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Speaker 1: they'll run red lights, they'll break check you, they'll just

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Speaker 1: try and pull you over and intimidate you, or they'll

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Speaker 1: we personally have been we've had agents come up to

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Speaker 1: we've had we followed agents like all the way to

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Speaker 1: And then we have the other thing that I'm sure

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Speaker 5: A lot of what we've been seeing is just this

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Speaker 5: recklessness like speaking through red lights and not signaling, just

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Speaker 5: like a lot of like traffic violations. And then once

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Speaker 5: you're pulled over, just having your windows smashed it and

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Speaker 5: like them using all these intimidation tactics but like not

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Speaker 5: necessarily detaining people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of these vehicles don't necessarily look like

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Speaker 1: going through intersections as quote unquote law enforcement, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: rare for someone to see them. And there are times

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all the time.

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Speaker 4: There's been a good number of car accidents also involving

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and like not even caused by communing. They've

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Speaker 1: just slipped on ice and ran into poles and then

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Speaker 1: they tear gas observers who were heckling them because they

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Speaker 1: don't know how to drive in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Let's turn to January seventh, twenty twenty sixth, the same

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Speaker 4: day Renee Good was killed by ice. You both were

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Speaker 4: out commuting. Can you tell me about how that day

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Speaker 5: It was me picking up Clem, and immediately there was

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Speaker 5: like a sus car that like zoomed off, and then

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Speaker 5: Clem check the plates and it was Ice that we

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Speaker 5: think was just waiting outside of the house to intimidate. Unclear,

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Speaker 5: but I mean it certainly felt that way. Had anything

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Speaker 1: I think at that point because they've used the tactic

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Speaker 1: my roommates that hadn't happened yet. But we had spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time at Whipple, like just observing the

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Speaker 1: all that data. And when you're there, there's just like

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Speaker 1: So it was certainly in some sort of database at

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Speaker 1: that point. But what's Whipple is the federal building that

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Speaker 1: and that's where ICE has been operating out of, and

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Speaker 1: it's the Command headquarters for like the entire Upper Midwest,

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Speaker 1: so Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakota is I think Iowa too.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the day starts off, there's an ice agent

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Speaker 5: The abandoned car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first thing I responded to is

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Speaker 1: and there was just an abandoned car. And when I

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Speaker 1: we heard the news of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I lived really close by to there, and

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Speaker 5: there was a lot of swirling information, so people saying,

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Speaker 5: very shortly after people being like, it's totally cordoned off,

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Speaker 5: so Clem and I were there in the car doing that.

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Speaker 4: So you see the news that Renee was killed and

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Speaker 4: for doing exactly what you were doing driving around your

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that didn't stop us. I mean, if anything, it

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Speaker 4: So you said, you arrive at the next scene, where

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Speaker 4: are you and what is ICE doing there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Dollar Tree parking lot, which is like

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Speaker 1: on Lake Street and the uptown area. And yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: five vehicles presumably staging because what we've been calling out

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Speaker 1: where they're just like parked planning what they're going to

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Speaker 1: do next. And there weren't any agents out of car.

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Speaker 1: It was just a bunch of cars sitting there that

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Speaker 4: And a bunch of observers were responded.

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Speaker 5: We were just like in the parking lot, they could

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Speaker 5: still have driven around us, like there was room on

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Speaker 5: either side of our car that they could have driven

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Speaker 5: have driven around like there were just several options for

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Speaker 5: them to get around it us. At that point, I

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Speaker 5: think some agents got out and were like, move your vehicle,

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Speaker 4: To get it out of the way while you were

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're on our knees and at one point

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Speaker 5: I commented on how young the people looked that were

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Speaker 5: still using the pain compliance. They're filming me. The whole time.

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Speaker 5: There was just a bunch of agents that were filming me,

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Speaker 5: I said to them, I said, make it hurt, daddy,

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Speaker 1: We walked past like this central command hub with all

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Speaker 5: Goop, just disgusting goop. But we were in there for

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Speaker 4: As I know you both have.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how to move through it, but

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Speaker 1: just having people that have your back and knowing that, like,

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Speaker 1: there's been hundreds of people in the same exact both

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Speaker 4: Myself, Like most anti ICE protesters arrested here during the surge,

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Speaker 4: thirty five federal cases from the past two months were

439
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 4: charged retroactively in the past few weeks. To give you

440
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: a sense of how these cases might unfold and what

441
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: it's like to face these charges, you'll hear from two

442
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: Minneapolis based anti ICE protesters facing criminal charges for responding

443
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: to a raid at Takaia las Cuatros Muthbus that took

444
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: place back on June third, twenty five. Isabel Lopez faces

445
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: federal charges and Lucy faces state charges from that day.

446
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: Their June cases are still open today, and Lucy also

447
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 4: caught federal charges after responding to an ICE raid that

448
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: took place during Operation Metro Surge.

449
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Speaker 3: We should be socus everything.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Isabel and Lucy. We're going to talk today about

451
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 4: legal oppression you both are experiencing for protesting ICE in Minneapolis.

452
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: But before we even start that conversation, can you both

453
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: introduce yourselves your connection to the Twin Cities and share

454
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: a little bit about who you are outside of the

455
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 4: topic of today's conversation Isabelli can start with you.

456
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 6: Je, I'm my name is Soe Lam. I'm a community

457
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 6: I don't know, organizer, helper, and I'm also spoken word poet.

458
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 6: I've been writing and doing performances here in the Twin

459
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 6: Cities for like since like twenty twenty with the whod

460
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 6: George Ford thing? Yeah, and I've also done other organizing

461
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 6: when it comes to the climate justice movement and also

462
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 6: indigenous rights. I have suppotech Menzara Asis and like that's

463
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 6: just important for me.

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Speaker 4: So yeah.

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Speaker 6: But I was born in Chicago, Rachaer in the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Lucy Uh. I've been in Minneapolis since I don't know,

467
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: the early twenty tens, but I lived in Minnesota forever.

468
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been in and out, but I feed people.

469
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 7: I'm allowed, bitch, I'll make noises, I make songs, make

470
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 7: good trouble.

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: Okay. So, you were both arrested and charged after a

472
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: multi agency raid that took place back on June third,

473
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five at Las Quatro, Milpas, A, Mexican Tacorea

474
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: in South Minneapolis. Officials still say that it was not

475
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: an ICE raid and that they were executing a warrant

476
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 4: for drug trafficking. But ICE agents were confirmed on site,

477
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: alongside ten other federal agencies and local cops, and the

478
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: owner of the Tacorea ended up in ICED attention. The

479
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: raid and response went pretty viral. The operation was heavily militarized,

480
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: and hundreds of neighbors turned out in protest. Lisa, you

481
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: were charged with three counts of obstructing, impeding, or assaulting

482
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: a federal officer and a fourth count of impeding a

483
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 4: federal investigation. And Lucy you're facing state level charges from

484
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: that day and federal assault charges. I'd love to hear

485
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: from you both a little bit about your experiences getting

486
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: arrested and catching charges. What do you want people to

487
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: know about what that experience was like.

488
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I wasn't arrested until like three or four

489
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 6: days later because it happened on June third, and then

490
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: I was rested on June ninth. It felt very planned

491
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 6: and just like a Poppet show.

492
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Speaker 1: I remember.

493
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Speaker 6: I think it was the day after two senators from

494
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 6: the House here in Minnesota were shot and Georgia Ford,

495
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 6: you know, It was a really close community friend of mine.

496
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 6: We're both from the East Side, and she called me

497
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: to do an interview. I was kind of unsure about it,

498
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: but she just assured me that she just wanted to

499
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 6: hear my story, and yeah, I didn't really think much

500
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: of it, and so then I went I did the interview.

501
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 6: I was still very taking up about what happened that day.

502
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 6: By around like four, I think, or thick three, I

503
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 6: was coming out and by that time in downtown, there's

504
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 6: not a lot of things going on in Saint Paul.

505
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 6: It's kind of a dead city by that time, and

506
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: so as I was coming out, that's when four officers

507
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: came from behind me and arrested me and pushed me

508
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: to the ground, and my shoulder hit the concrete and

509
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 6: I started bleeding, and they took me in a black

510
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 6: STV and they waited there for a second, and you know,

511
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 6: just when Georgia came out and saw everything that was

512
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 6: happening and started recording, and you know, from there, let

513
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 6: the community knew about what happened. And so after that,

514
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 6: that's when I kind of started realizing what this administration

515
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 6: is trying to do. And it felt very orchestrated. It

516
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: felt very calculated, even after, especially after there's a lot

517
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 6: of news about my arrest and adding my face to

518
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 6: this whole drug rad and my case to it. So yeah,

519
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 6: I know other people were arrested, but my arrest felt

520
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 6: very like intentionally and calculated and kind of racist. This

521
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 6: is an abuse of power, and this isn't okay, Like

522
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 6: I don't care who you are, I don't care how

523
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 6: you see things, Like I'm like barely not even five three,

524
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 6: five to two, and you know, these men that were

525
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 6: huge felt the need to tackle me. This is all

526
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 6: allegedly right, but at the same time, I think that

527
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 6: I want people to understand that they can make their

528
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 6: own calls and own judgment and how like this justice

529
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 6: system isn't that.

530
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: Right now at all.

531
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Speaker 6: It's repression.

532
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Speaker 4: Am I also remembering correctly that I maybe had seen

533
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 4: you post a video on Instagram about that raid, because

534
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: I feel like my impression had also felt like maybe

535
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: retaliation for you speaking out. Yeah, definitely your case feels

536
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: important for people to know about. Especially in the past

537
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: two weeks here in Minneapolis, twenty eight people have been

538
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: charged with assault on a federal officer and are facing

539
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: federal charges. Now there was a handful before that, but

540
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: we've just seen a massive spike of people who were

541
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: charged after being released pending charges. So your case does

542
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: feel like this test case that's being looked to is

543
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: how are they going to handle this? So what's going

544
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: to happen? So I appreciate you talking about it. Would

545
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: love to turn to you, Lucy and hear a little

546
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: bit about what you're facing and what your experience has been.

547
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 7: Like I think they charged me with assault and then

548
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 7: they downgraded it to like less degree assault because it

549
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 7: was ridiculous. Well, yeah, I would like they had like

550
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 7: six cops tackle me, and my shoulder's never been the same.

551
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 7: But that was that was in June. And then in

552
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 7: another instance, I also have charges for assaulting a federal officer.

553
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: Seems like they just charge everyone, you know, and like

554
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 7: all of these legal observers are also getting docked by

555
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 7: the age. They're trying to raise the stakes of resisting

556
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 7: the administration as much as possible because it is a

557
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 7: popular movement. It's like generally popular to hate ice, but

558
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 7: they're trying to make it as expensive and as irrevocably

559
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 7: life destroying for US citizens as it is for people

560
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 7: who aren't US citizens.

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Speaker 4: I think it's super important to highlight the ways in

562
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: which these targeted political prosecutions are being used to raise

563
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 4: the stakes of showing up to defend your community from abduction,

564
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: from death, from surveillance and intimidation and fascist violence.

565
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 6: Do you know who else where was arrested that day?

566
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 7: There was two people arrested on June third. They were

567
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 7: both arrested in the same interaction with a police officer.

568
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 7: A young woman was standing in front of a police

569
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 7: vehicle and an officer approached her like super rapidly, and

570
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 7: then someone approached that officer, and from the video, it

571
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 7: seems like that person ripped off a thin blue line

572
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 7: lapel velcro from the officer, and then that officer proceeded

573
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 7: to assault that person, and then that person was accused

574
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 7: of assault, and then my federal charges. The government has

575
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 7: motioned to dismiss them, but we are motioning to dismiss

576
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 7: them with prejudice. And during that interaction, I can't really

577
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 7: speak to what happened between me and federal officers, but

578
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 7: a pregnant woman was assaulted by federal officers. People were tased,

579
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 7: people were hit with batons, and that woman had like

580
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 7: a ICE agent on top of her for like, I

581
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 7: don't know, a half hour. People said that she miscarried,

582
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 7: she was pregnant. Everyone was saying she was pregnant. She

583
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 7: was dragged by one arm between the legs of the

584
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 7: ICE officer. They said that she spray painted a car

585
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 7: and that was the reason for the arrest. They also

586
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 7: said that there was no proof of that either.

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: And that incident, which was one of the first immigration

588
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: operations in the surge or one of the earlier ones

589
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: that went pretty viral. There was a lot of coverage.

590
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: It was a huge raid, big community turn out. It

591
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: was also like ICE was on the wrong block and

592
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 4: they were in a Somali neighborhood and people were mad

593
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: and people were showing up and not letting them get

594
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: away with it. Also, I think there was a lot

595
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: of response. My understanding was to ICE having their knee

596
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: on this pregnant person's back for such a long period

597
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: of time. From what I've seen in the complaint for

598
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: that day. For your case, which is a public record,

599
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 4: and I not asking you to speak to whether or

600
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: not it's true or anything about it, but part of

601
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: what you're being charged with is I believe de arresting

602
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: that person, the pregnant person, while they were dragging her,

603
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: and as a result you got assault on the federal

604
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: officer charges. So just some context for people listening for

605
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 4: the case as we're following it. Those are the public

606
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: allegations that the government has made. But it was one

607
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 4: of the earliest federal cases during the surge and one

608
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: of the earlier assault cases of this kind. So interesting

609
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: to hear that it looks like it's headed for a

610
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: dismissal and exciting for you, but that is the case, Isabel.

611
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 4: There's been community mobilization to support you starting back in June.

612
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: Could you speak to what's been effective about that and

613
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: what you've learned fighting these charges related to this political prosecution.

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 6: I mean, the grand scheme of things. I think that

615
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 6: there's just been so much repression when it comes to

616
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 6: just you know, the Brown community. We've lost Micra, which

617
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 6: is a really dope place on like street, right across

618
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 6: the street from like where it happened from LEAs you know,

619
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 6: it's like raising fun so they don't close, and you know,

620
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 6: I think I think they starts reviewing really stuff for

621
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 6: Latino businesses, Brown businesses, they've lost like forty six million

622
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 6: dollars this past month. So what I'm trying to say

623
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: with that is that my community is very much on

624
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 6: the scarcity, you know, like it's almost like we're being

625
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 6: dragged to the point. And so when my community showed

626
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 6: up for me that day, like it just showed for

627
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: me like how resilient we are and how much like

628
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 6: it's scary, but we can't keep having other people in

629
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 6: our communities disappear, you know, people that we can't afford.

630
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: And for my case, because I'm a US citizen, I

631
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 6: feel very like responsible and very like wanting to like

632
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 6: being present in community because I think that's really what

633
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 6: I can do. I can't really like do a lot

634
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 6: because it's a fear that like if I come into

635
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 6: certain spaces, am I being launched? You know, And they've

636
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 6: kind of shown like hinting having an eye on me

637
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 6: basically throughout this But like, you know, being present with

638
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 6: community and being there when you know we're organizing and

639
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: knowing you know, your rights and things like that, I

640
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 6: think it's helped a lot of people in my community

641
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 6: to one be a lot more careful, but to know

642
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 6: that like what we're going up against and how it's

643
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 6: a way of survival to keep going and like you know,

644
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 6: to have our right speed to at least grow during

645
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 6: these times. And we've had like observer trainings, We've had

646
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 6: a lot of low key, smaller trainings. We're not like

647
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 6: trying to tell too many people about it for the

648
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 6: same reason, and for my case in particular, it's been

649
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 6: really hard just because like a lot of people are

650
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 6: scared and a lot of people are very intimidating to

651
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 6: speak out and you know, advocate for what's been going

652
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 6: on in my case, because you know, they want us

653
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 6: to keep having this scarcity mentality and you know, being

654
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 6: afraid of like what's to happen, what's to come. So

655
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 6: for me, it's just been really important for me to

656
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 6: be with community, to be with people, and like to

657
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 6: share my story in the small ways that I can.

658
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 6: And you know, we've been doing phone baking campaigns and

659
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 6: also just writing letters. They have a radar on me

660
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 6: for sure, and know like or where I'm at, where

661
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 6: I stand, But I also know that I have a

662
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 6: really big community behind me, and I know it's not

663
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 6: just about me. It's about the fact that it's bigger

664
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 6: about what could happen to somebody else in our community,

665
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: and it's been hard, But I think it's it's you know,

666
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 6: it's important for us to know that, like, you know,

667
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 6: we can keep pushing and like be together in community

668
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: despite all this, and so, yeah, it has been kind

669
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 6: of hard, especially with the searge, it got even more messy,

670
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 6: you know, just with a lot of people trying their

671
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 6: buzz to keep their head above the water and helping

672
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 6: the families that they can, because a lot of families

673
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 6: haven't been able to leave their house.

674
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 4: When you say we've been hosting trainings, are you referring

675
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: to your support committee. You've been doing like events that

676
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: are joint raising awareness about your case and also helping

677
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 4: community get trained up. Is that what you mean?

678
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I think I mean it's one and the same.

679
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 6: I feel like the people that I'm working with, they

680
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 6: work and do a lot of grassroot things in the community,

681
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 6: and so I know, me just showing up to those

682
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 6: trainings and just talking about my case like that that

683
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 6: helps a lot.

684
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: So it's like that.

685
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 6: And we've done a couple events here and there where

686
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 6: we talk about immigration. We did one in June or no,

687
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 6: in July. I think and like we still have said

688
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 6: to do more things with community, to just know that,

689
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 6: like you know, we're all we're all here in it.

690
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 6: But it has been very intervrackering. It's been really hard

691
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 6: just because like I don't I don't know who's watching,

692
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 6: I don't know who's in the room, I don't know

693
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 6: who I can trust. But I know I'm not alone.

694
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: So that's that's the best part about it.

695
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: So, yeah, there's so much intentional isolation of people facing charges.

696
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 4: That's so much of how repression works is to isolate people,

697
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: make them scared to go be in community and do

698
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 4: important work. So thanks for continuing to show up. It's

699
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: cool to hear you speak to both, like navigating the

700
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: fear and continuing to show up where you can. Yeah,

701
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear you both speak a little bit more.

702
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: I know you just spoke about this a little bit, Isabelle.

703
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: But what it's been like navigating these cases amidst the

704
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: past couple months of the surge here in the Twin Cities,

705
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: it's a pretty unique moment to also have these pretty

706
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: high stakes cases going on, Lucy, if you want to start,

707
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: it just sucks.

708
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 7: I mean, there's lots of ways of doing things, but

709
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 7: like I don't want to be afraid that I need

710
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 7: to call my pre release person every time a cop

711
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: talks to me, Like I don't know, Like I not

712
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 7: that I interact with cops all the time, but I'm

713
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 7: in Minneapolis and like i keep talking to the probation

714
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 7: guy about this. I'm like, you know, if a cop

715
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 7: drives by me, is that a police interaction? If I'm

716
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 7: on the street and the fucking fedzer in in the

717
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 7: street in front of my house, is that a police interaction?

718
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 7: Like it just makes you so stressed out, Like Renee

719
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 7: Good was shot in front of me, and it's like

720
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 7: like normally I'm not the kind of person that runs

721
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 7: away from a situation like that. I'm like, would go

722
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 7: towards where what happened to like make sure people are okay,

723
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 7: or like see if there's anything I can do. And

724
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 7: in that situation, I was like what if I just

725
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 7: am gonna go to jail like for trying to like

726
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 7: do something. So it's just like it's just contrary to

727
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 7: my instincts that if I see someone getting brutalized in

728
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 7: the street or they're like they say you can go

729
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 7: to a protest. But that's just what repression is. You know,

730
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 7: they come into your house and they look in every

731
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 7: single room. You know that they say that you need

732
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 7: to go and do drug tests and that you can't

733
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 7: have a firearm, and they wanted me to have twenty

734
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 7: four to seven monitoring. I don't know if you have

735
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 7: that kind of shit, but it's just like, this shit's insane,

736
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 7: like and it's over fucking nothing. And so that's why,

737
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 7: like I see people on the internet being like, oh,

738
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 7: but like all those charges get dropped or whatever. I

739
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 7: was like, then fuck you, Like you never dealt with this, Like,

740
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 7: doesn't matter if the charges get dropped. I'm gonna try

741
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 7: and apply to fucking Target to be a cashier and

742
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 7: then they're gonna be like, actually, you have an active case.

743
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 7: I tried to work at a theater and they were like,

744
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 7: can you come explain what happened here? Doesn't matter if

745
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 7: you end up going to jail. Yeah, going to jail sucks.

746
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 7: But repression is like, it's the thing in and of itself.

747
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 7: The cruelty is the point I.

748
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: Want to hear from you toofl I just want to

749
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: say for people listening that what Lucy's talking about are

750
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: release conditions. So when the case is initiated against you,

751
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: the government could argue that you should be held in

752
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: detention while the case is ongoing, or they could ask

753
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: for conditions of release. And those are conditions that are

754
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: enforced by a pre trial probation officer, like person who

755
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: might come to visit your house, or you have to

756
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: call when you have cop interactions, or who facilitates drug testing,

757
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: depending on what your conditions are. So just some background

758
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: on that for anyone who's unfamiliar.

759
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Lucy kind of said it best, was

760
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: like curely questioning your instincts. You're questioning like what can

761
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 6: you do? And I've tried my best to be as

762
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 6: creative as I can with it. But yeah, it's it's

763
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 6: so hard because I'm finding myself having to mobilize in

764
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 6: a different way and like show up the community. So

765
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 6: kind of pivoted to art, Yeah, doing things when it

766
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 6: comes to like screenprinting and just again showing up a

767
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 6: community and just try to play face or be face,

768
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 6: like be be real, you know, be with community. But yeah,

769
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: it has been really hard because again, you never really

770
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 6: know what you can and cannot say. Like the other day,

771
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 6: I had a really good friend. They admitted a graphic

772
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 6: for me talking about explaining my case and things like that.

773
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: You know, I can't really post too much about my

774
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 6: case people start tagging me in it. I tried resharing

775
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 6: one of it. I only shared like one of reshared

776
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 6: one of the tags, and then I tried resharing another

777
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 6: tag that kind of explained what to do to help

778
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 6: with my case. And like Instagram, don't let me post it.

779
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 6: You know, these are this is like minor shit, Like

780
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 6: this isn't like that big of a deal. But it's

781
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 6: also just like okay, like yeah, they want to make

782
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 6: sure that you're not being seen or heard. And I'm

783
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 6: pretty fortunate to have like a job where like they're

784
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: me to do community work and they have known me,

785
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 6: so like I'm I feel really lucky. At the same time,

786
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 6: it's also just been really hard because, like, you know,

787
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 6: some people are more reluctant to have me in the

788
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 6: room when it comes to like organizing or doing certain

789
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: things because of that, because like, you know, of where

790
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 6: my case stands, and some people have like you know,

791
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 6: actually kind of walked away from being my friend because

792
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 6: you know, they were also there that day on June third,

793
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 6: and just also kind of being afraid about what would.

794
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 5: Happen to them.

795
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 6: But on the other side of that, you know, there's

796
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 6: also been friends that are like I'm gonna be here.

797
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 6: I'm down, like, don't don't like know you where you know,

798
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 6: which has been great.

799
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't ditch your friends like I had, like my

800
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 7: roommate being like I'm gonna I gotta leave, like I'm

801
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 7: gonna dip, and people being weird to you, and it's

802
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 7: just like, I don't know, maybe you just should just

803
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 7: be better about your like security in general, because like

804
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 7: sooner or later, we're all going to have charges. I

805
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 7: don't know, maybe it's not going to be that bad,

806
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 7: but we're all domestic terrorists in Minnesota.

807
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: Now, Uh fuck.

808
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 7: I means as per Ice, you know, making a list

809
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 7: and I don't know, they can't tell everybody.

810
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 6: It's just been really hard navigating. I I guess like

811
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 6: the sense of morality that comes with it because it's

812
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 6: like for me and I feel like you know, Lucy

813
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 6: can relate to this, is that like you act on

814
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 6: the things that you believe in, you act on the

815
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 6: things that you know is worth participating. And now this

816
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 6: administration is you know, gaslight. I don't even think gasline

817
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 6: is a right word. I think it's just like imposing

818
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 6: a lie of just like what is right and what

819
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 6: is wrong and seeing everybody also just being very gas

820
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 6: lit and having you know, the news having a certain

821
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 6: narrative of like what is right, what is wrong, what

822
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: has been said, what has not been said, what really happened,

823
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 6: what didn't happen, and also just arresting independent journalist. I

824
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 6: think it just goes to show how much constitution has

825
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 6: not been constituted, Like the human rights that we believed

826
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 6: and we thought that we have are no more. So

827
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 6: it's like what gos and what doesn't go? You know?

828
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 6: And I think that for me, the only real hope

829
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 6: I have is like community and like creativity, because it's

830
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 6: like people have shown up for me, because I've been

831
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 6: showing up since like twenty twenty. So it's like, how

832
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 6: can we inspire a sense of like a sense of

833
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: hope and spirit to keep going? How can we keep

834
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 6: have people know that there is there is hope at

835
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 6: the end, that you know that there can be another

836
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 6: side that right now what we're seeing is just another

837
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 6: world unfolding and the only way that we can really

838
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 6: understand that new world is when we understand the truth

839
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: that we've been walking on. And so my friends have

840
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 6: been so good to me, and some of them have

841
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 6: been you know, they've made like graphics and really cool

842
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: like it's it's my face on it, just a way

843
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: to like, you know, welcome me home and things like that,

844
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 6: and creating different images of like what this new world

845
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 6: can be. And you know, one thing that I did

846
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 6: with some of the NDI and collective, we made this

847
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 6: really dope graphic that says Motherland on it and it's

848
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: all the Americas having roots from the global South, you know,

849
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 6: and being supple thick like has been really like so

850
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 6: key for me to know that, like I have every

851
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 6: right to be here. That like a lot of the

852
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 6: legitimacy that is constituted quote unquote for me, that doesn't

853
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 6: come from for me, that's not my truth of like

854
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 6: why I move and why I believe to do is

855
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 6: write to me, I do what is right because of

856
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 6: the history that I come from, because of like you know,

857
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 6: who my dad is, and like the people that I

858
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: know that I come from. You know, I'm not like

859
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 6: native to the northern Plains. But I do have friends

860
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 6: that are, and I do respect and love them so much.

861
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 6: Where I want to see the traditions be fully and thrived.

862
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 6: And I know that my power and my liberty is

863
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 6: tied with theirs. And I know that we like have

864
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 6: every right to be here from the people that are

865
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 6: from the Global South as well, because of the fact

866
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 6: that we haven't been able to like fully thrive in

867
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 6: the motherland. We haven't been fully thrived in all the Americas.

868
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 6: And you know, a lot of people don't want to immigrate.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people don't want to migrate, they don't

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Speaker 6: want to leave their motherland. But I know that we

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Speaker 6: have built homes here, we have built communities here, and

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Speaker 6: I think that for me, that that's the other side

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Speaker 6: of it, is that we can we can thrive, and

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Speaker 6: that we can be in this place together, that we

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Speaker 6: have every right to like bad in this constant last

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Speaker 6: night together. We are America.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I also just want to ask what support

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Speaker 4: asks you have for listeners, either for your defense campaigns

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Speaker 4: or for anti ice organizing more broadly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, we're having people call in to Daniel

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Speaker 6: Rose to draw the charges and to send in letters

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Speaker 6: that's our community ask. And also to donate to the

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Speaker 6: go funder. Yeah, I'm finding myself needing more support when

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Speaker 6: it comes to just getting people on the side and

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Speaker 6: just yeah, getting people also sustained through the movement as

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Speaker 6: well through that. So yeah, donate to my gounfund me.

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Speaker 6: And also if they can, it's in an letter call

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Speaker 6: in and yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'll just say, yeah, talk to everyone. You can talk

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Speaker 7: to your neighbors, talk to your relatives. It should be

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Speaker 7: impossible for them to convict anything in Minnesota because no

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Speaker 7: jury is sympathetic with these people. And the only way

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Speaker 7: that happens is if there's a broad understanding of the

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Speaker 7: violence that is being perpetuated in our communities and a

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Speaker 7: broad support of those that are resisting it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I know you both have shared the importance of

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Speaker 4: creating of work for you, Isabelle, do you have a

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Speaker 4: poem you'd like to read or anything you want to share?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can read a poem real quick, since I

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Speaker 6: can't really speak much about what happened that day, I

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Speaker 6: wrote this. When I walked outside, I saw I staring

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Speaker 6: back at me, cold presence stirring an earthquake in my body.

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Speaker 1: Do I freeze?

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Speaker 6: Or do I run? I asked myself. Do my parents

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Speaker 6: have the time to ask themselves this when they left

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Speaker 6: the motherland? If I run, I might slip into its

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Speaker 6: breue arms and be caught by its cages. If I freeze,

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Speaker 6: will it drown out all the warmth of my family?

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Speaker 6: Let inside of me? Will the couffing freeze the southern

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Speaker 6: sun and my blood veins? Just to be as numb

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Speaker 6: as them? The cold thrives in control. The order of

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Speaker 6: ignorance can thrive in an unconscious and vulnerable pride. I never

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Speaker 6: thought their hands could be as brown as mine, as

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Speaker 6: young as mine, as desperate for safety that it folds

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Speaker 6: into another version of insanity. The wrong ice is melting

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Speaker 6: and the warmth of brown and black bodies are freezing.

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Speaker 6: Can I walk back into the pattern of survival? My

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Speaker 6: lineage taught me to flourish instead of freezing in the

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Speaker 6: numbing of society.

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Speaker 4: Wow, thank you? Does that have a name? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: It's ice or ice freeze something like that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I lamb unapologetically, unapologetically myself.

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Speaker 4: We recorded this episode in the first half of February

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. It's March now, So here's a

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Speaker 4: couple updates since recording, eight of the federal defendants have

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Speaker 4: had their charges dismissed and many have been offered misdemeanor deals.

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Speaker 4: We also now know that there are over one hundred

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Speaker 4: protesters facing state level charges, mostly misdemeanors. The aftermath of

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Speaker 4: repression in the form of criminal cases from this time

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Speaker 4: will likely continue for years, if not decades to come.

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Speaker 4: And another update, thousands of agents have left the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 4: I get to see my neighbors out of their houses

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Speaker 4: a little more often now, but daily life is still

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Speaker 4: colored by ongoing abductions, disappeared family members, and shock waves

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Speaker 4: of state violence that have hit our migrant neighbors. I

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Speaker 4: know I said it in the beginning, but just to

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Speaker 4: say it to close. As much as there is devastating

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Speaker 4: violence and terror happening here, there is incredibly magnificent resistance

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Speaker 4: and community connection happening. Every single day. Neighbors are showing

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Speaker 4: up and stopping abductions, They're watching people get killed in

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Speaker 4: the street for doing it, and they're showing up the

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Speaker 4: next day to continue. There's a kind of fearlessness and

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Speaker 4: a kind of love that is in this community that

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Speaker 4: I've never seen anywhere else. So as much as things

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Speaker 4: are horrible, things are also beautiful. And I want you

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Speaker 4: to know that. The theme music you heard in this

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Speaker 4: episode was the song Star by twofa one a Dakota

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Speaker 4: and bariqua artist based out of Minneapolis. Check out their other.

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Speaker 1: Music from the South Everywhere.

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Speaker 4: If you liked this episode, check out the show Outlaw

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Speaker 4: wherever you get your podcasts, throw us a rate review,

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Speaker 4: and follow Outlaw pod on Instagram and Blue Sky. To

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Speaker 4: close the episode, here's a song written in Minneapolis during

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Speaker 4: the surge. I think it captures some feeling of being here.

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Speaker 5: Just as.

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Speaker 8: Never broad someone back from the dead, just as never

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Speaker 8: proud someone back from the dead, just as never broad

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Speaker 8: someone back from the dead, just as never bride someone.

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Speaker 5: Back from the dad.

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Speaker 3: Just that.

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Speaker 8: Never brod someone back from the dead.

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Speaker 4: Way are you telling me wait like someone will be saved?

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me?

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Speaker 3: Are you telling me.

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Speaker 6: That justice were somehow saved?

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Speaker 7: Never gonna get back their days?

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Speaker 4: It could happen.

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Speaker 9: Here is a production of cool Zone Media. For more

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Speaker 9: podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com,

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Speaker 9: sources where it could happen here listen directly in episode descriptions.

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Speaker 9: Thanks for listening.