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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikayeff Daily with Meet

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod stream

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<v Speaker 1>studios here in Times Square, Folks, The fallout continues from

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<v Speaker 1>the whistle bower of Francis Hagen's deep, deep dive into

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's decision to you know, put profit ahead of people,

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<v Speaker 1>as we all know they've been doing. Zuckerberg, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he lost seven billion dollars this week, is still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hella fucking rich. And what pisces me off beyond belief

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<v Speaker 1>about this continual fallout is one his bullshit statement that

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<v Speaker 1>he put out this week that basically says, oh that

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<v Speaker 1>Francis doesn't know what she's talking about, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>evidently she can't read their own internal Facebook reports that

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<v Speaker 1>tell us exactly what it is that they've been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That they were able to fix algorithms so that they

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<v Speaker 1>could skew against misinformation for the twenty twenty election, but

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<v Speaker 1>then once the election was done, they could flip the switch,

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<v Speaker 1>change the algorithm back so that people were continuing to

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<v Speaker 1>get misinformation, spread hate, and do all of the vile

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<v Speaker 1>things that we know that people are doing on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>And once again he is taking absolutely no responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>it and feigning dumb. And my question, now, folks, is this,

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<v Speaker 1>does he think that we are all stupid? Like? This

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<v Speaker 1>is what is happening with these people right who make

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of fucking money. We know that in order

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<v Speaker 1>to become a multibillionaire, chances are you're not doing it

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<v Speaker 1>on the up and up. Now, I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg is a criminal, but I'm saying that what bleeds leads, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we know that hate groups, we know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Russian misinformation, China interference, all of these things are happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could do something about it. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it would disrupt Facebook's profits. Now

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. They're not saying they wouldn't make money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as if doing right and having morals and

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<v Speaker 1>values would stop them from making money. No, they just

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't make as much, right, And so one of the

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<v Speaker 1>questions that I want answered is exactly how much money

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<v Speaker 1>would they stand to lose? Like? Are they still making

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<v Speaker 1>billions upon billions of dollars a year? I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they fucking are. And so the desire here to

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<v Speaker 1>once again try and pretend that they don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. That, oh, Francis couldn't possibly read these reports,

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<v Speaker 1>and because she wasn't sitting in these groups, doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what we all know, which is that social media also

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<v Speaker 1>harms young people. How is that, Oh, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when you're inundated with images of beauty or beauty

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<v Speaker 1>expectations that are outside of normal bodies, then yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to start to look at yourself and say that

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong with you. The reality, folks, is, at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, Facebook needs to be regulated, right,

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<v Speaker 1>algorithms need to be regulated. This mega monopoly that they

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<v Speaker 1>have needs to be broken up, and Francis has provided

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<v Speaker 1>the roadmap for Congress to do so. The question is

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they will. I want to bring up

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<v Speaker 1>a recent report that all in Together, Women Leading Change

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<v Speaker 1>put together to showcase the polling. Folks, again, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty twenty two midterm elections, and I've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this because it's right around the corner. We only

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<v Speaker 1>have but a couple of months left in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that let me just pause for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, folks, going to be twenty twenty two, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been living in the midst of a global

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<v Speaker 1>health pandemic for going on two years. Like, let's wrap

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<v Speaker 1>your mind around that. But the All in Together poll

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<v Speaker 1>shows young people and I want people to pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>feel less motivated ahead of twenty twenty two election cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me read you this directly from All in

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<v Speaker 1>Together's page, and then we'll discuss The nonpartisan advocacy group

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<v Speaker 1>All in Together has teamed up with Lake Research in

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<v Speaker 1>Emerson College Polling to explore what is motivating people as

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<v Speaker 1>we look forward to the twenty twenty two men terms.

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<v Speaker 1>This survey looked at a thousand registered voters nationwide from

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty second to the twenty fourth, with a three

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<v Speaker 1>negative three point one margin of era. This survey also

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<v Speaker 1>oversampled two hundred Black women, two hundred Latin women, and

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred Asian American Pacific Islander women. The oversamples were

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<v Speaker 1>weighted down to reflect their actual proportion of women. The

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<v Speaker 1>survey was conducted using a mixed method of IVR online

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<v Speaker 1>and SMS to the web. Here is what they found

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what is concerning. According to All in Together,

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<v Speaker 1>there is an enthusiasm gap in voting among young voters.

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<v Speaker 1>AI TS New Poland shows a massive enthusiasm gap between generations.

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<v Speaker 1>Younger voters are at least motivated age group to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Only thirty five percent of eighteen to twenty nine year

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<v Speaker 1>old voters are very motivated to vote, and only twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent are almost certain to vote next year, compared

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty two point nine percent and fifty one point

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<v Speaker 1>two percent, respectively of the overall electorate. This is after

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<v Speaker 1>they say record youth turnout in twenty twenty. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I want to unpack, which

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<v Speaker 1>is this, This is the problem that Democrats are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be facing as they go into twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>because you see Republicans set up right the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they are an obstructionist group. They don't actually give a

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<v Speaker 1>fuck about governing, and quite honestly, they're terrible at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Donald Trump within his presidency added roughly seven trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to the national debt. Every single time that a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican is in power, our debt rises right astronomically. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. Republicans also don't promise you shit. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't promise you policy change. They don't promise to make

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<v Speaker 1>your lives better, right. What they do offer is to

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<v Speaker 1>roll back rights and to assume to create a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalist authoritarian society. This is what they propose. So you see,

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<v Speaker 1>folks don't look to the Republican Party for anything really.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is that Democrats and Joe Biden in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was campaigning, said that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the adult in the room, that we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to what build back better together, that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the one that was going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to negotiate with the domestic terrorists that we call the GOP,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he was going to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>the job done of putting America back on the map. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, folks. We have yet to put together

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<v Speaker 1>the infrastructure bill, right, the three point five trillion dollar bill.

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<v Speaker 1>We just reached a decision, right, an agreement on raising

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<v Speaker 1>the debt ceiling, but that just kicked the can down

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<v Speaker 1>the road until December. Mitch McConnell did, in fact blink.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, this is not an overall fix. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>band aid on a broken leg. Because we should not

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<v Speaker 1>need to have an active Congress or a vote to

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<v Speaker 1>continually raise our debt ceiling. It should be something that

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<v Speaker 1>automatically kicks in, right, and we know that the debt

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling was raised three times under the Trump administration so

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<v Speaker 1>that they could spend fucking widely and offer up all

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<v Speaker 1>of their tax cuts to the uber wealthy. I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact of the matter is that Democrats are the

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<v Speaker 1>party of promises. They promise us a lot, and unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>going against the reality of an obstructionist right wing party,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not able to deliver. So when young people

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<v Speaker 1>risk their lives and people of color in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>to have a historic turnout, they did so not just

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<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to get rid of Donald Trump, but

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<v Speaker 1>because they needed someone to take control of COVID nineteen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are, folks, where we have reached. Seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Americans have died of COVID nineteen. The vaccination rate

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<v Speaker 1>has reached a plateau. We have a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>people getting vaccinated, but that's really just people getting the

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<v Speaker 1>booster shots. Right. Fizer has has just asked the FDA

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<v Speaker 1>to certify the vaccinations for five to eleven year olds, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and to ramp that up so that that could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>have twenty eight million more people vaccinated if we expand

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<v Speaker 1>it to that age group again. But there is still folks,

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<v Speaker 1>a substantial amount of Americans that are not vaccinated, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rollout has been up and down. One minute, we're

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<v Speaker 1>told to wear a mask, the next minute we're told

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<v Speaker 1>not to. One minute, we're told to social distance, the

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<v Speaker 1>next minute we're told not to. One minute, we're told

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<v Speaker 1>that the fis of vaccination is one hundred percent great,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next minute we learned maderna is better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that it is not our responsibility as

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<v Speaker 1>an educated citizensury not to be intellectually nimble. We need that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is is that the entirety of the

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<v Speaker 1>vaccination rollout hasn't gone according to plan because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that Democrats once again had their eyes wide open

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<v Speaker 1>to what it was that Republicans were going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That there was going to be an entire network like

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News that was going to be an anti vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>network that has tens of millions of people that are

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<v Speaker 1>viewing it every single day. The other reality, right, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the infrastructure bill, and so when we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the polls, when Democrats are getting ready to campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck are they campaigning on? Because we've lost

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<v Speaker 1>women's rights right in Texas right now. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>a judge has intervened, The federal judge in Texas has

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<v Speaker 1>put a stop right on the band. But that's just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be kicked to the Fifth Circuit Court, which

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<v Speaker 1>we know is extremely conservative, and then we'll make its

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<v Speaker 1>way up to Trump's Supreme Court. Right, So, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood that we don't lose women's rights all together?

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<v Speaker 1>And mind you, just let me mind you that December

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<v Speaker 1>first is going to be when the Supreme Court starts

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the Mississippi case, which is about a fifteen week

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<v Speaker 1>abortion ban. Right then, on top of that, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>pass the John Lewis Voting Rights at and we can't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about the over three hundred bills that have

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<v Speaker 1>been pushed out across a majority of the states in

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<v Speaker 1>this country to suppress the vote. So when young people

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<v Speaker 1>are looking at their fucking future right now, does it

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<v Speaker 1>look bright to anybody? No, it does it. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like they're inheriting a lot of bullshit baggage from the

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<v Speaker 1>boomers and down. So when we're looking at these numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want us to turn around and start blaming

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<v Speaker 1>young people, right, because this is where it goes. If

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats lose in mid terms, who you think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the scapegoats. It's gonna be black people, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be young people, as opposed to saying, here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, you haven't delivered. Shit, We delivered you Congress

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<v Speaker 1>and the fucking White House and you can't get dick done.

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<v Speaker 1>So how is it that we're supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are creating the enthusiasm when we have a

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<v Speaker 1>democratic administration and a democratic Congress that is at a

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<v Speaker 1>what a stalemate with themselves? So of course you have

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to twenty nine year olds that are looking around

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, fuck this, what am I voting for? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just them, And I can't say that I

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<v Speaker 1>blame them because again, we're looking around. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>nine months, nine months into this administration, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten very little done, and our democracy is on the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking line, and people are looking around and saying, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't address climate change head on. We don't have massive

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<v Speaker 1>legislation for that. There's only a piece of that within

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<v Speaker 1>the infrastructure bill. But remember Joe Mansion wasn't comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>climate language. Mister Cole doesn't like us creating infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 1>demands of companies to, you know, combat this pressing crisis

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<v Speaker 1>that we are in. He doesn't like the dollar amount,

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<v Speaker 1>so he doesn't want the American people's own tax dollars

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<v Speaker 1>right to be invested back into the American people. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you have Curs in cinema who won't even get on

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<v Speaker 1>camera to talk about what the fuck she is for

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<v Speaker 1>or against, so we don't know. You have her own

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<v Speaker 1>constituents chasing that bitch down in the bathroom and her

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<v Speaker 1>deciding to say, oh, this is inappropriate. You know what's

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<v Speaker 1>inappropriate being a senator and not doing anything for the

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<v Speaker 1>people that actually voted and campaigned to get you into office,

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<v Speaker 1>and doing an about face on whether or not you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a part of our democracy's future or

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<v Speaker 1>its demise. So, of course, when we are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>these numbers, it makes sense to me that young people

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<v Speaker 1>are looking around and saying, what am I voting for?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a huge problem for Democrats because they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who, once again, do you know what issues

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<v Speaker 1>that these folks care about? Well, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>So the number one issue for women eighteen to twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>No shock, he is abortion. Thirteen percent of women. That

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<v Speaker 1>is their number one issue of young people in this

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<v Speaker 1>age group. Of course, it is because if they can't

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<v Speaker 1>control when and how they have a family, how are

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<v Speaker 1>they going to be able to control their careers. How

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<v Speaker 1>are they going to be able to control whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they're able to access higher education if they're saddled

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<v Speaker 1>with kids that they can't afford. So that's a major issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, what is it that this administration is doing

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that all people that are able to birth

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<v Speaker 1>have access to safe, right and readily available abortions. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's another thing. The second thing that folks are really

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about as an overall, right, men and women are

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about twenty four percent of women and twenty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of men say that COVID nineteen is their number one issue. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it is because all of our lives have

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<v Speaker 1>been turned upside down of parents playing Russian roulette with

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<v Speaker 1>their children's lives by sending them back to school, not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing when in fact they're going to be told that

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<v Speaker 1>the school is shutting down or the kid has to

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<v Speaker 1>stay home for two weeks because of a COVID outbreak, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And again we have all of the information, but we

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<v Speaker 1>are not disseminating it. Democrats are not disseminating in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that it's a breaking through the misinformation. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been a problem since twenty sixteen, folks, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about it then. So again you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the issues that matter to young people. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>it is rising prices, right, and increased debt. The Biden

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<v Speaker 1>administration only eliminated student debt for certain groups of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was those from the disabled community and a

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<v Speaker 1>few others. That's not eliminating student debt, right. That is

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<v Speaker 1>crushing people. That is not allowing them to invest in

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<v Speaker 1>buying homes. That is having them live at home with

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<v Speaker 1>their families, right, and their parents because they can't afford

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<v Speaker 1>to live on their owns. That is stopping people. Because

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<v Speaker 1>here's another study that I want to bring up as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just fucking wild. But here's another report that

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<v Speaker 1>ties in to the fact that young people are not

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about voting. According to Time Magazine and a recent

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<v Speaker 1>Pew Research analysis, this is the title of this article,

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<v Speaker 1>men are now more likely to be single than women.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a good sign. And in the Pew research data,

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<v Speaker 1>what they are finding is that men are more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to be living at home with their parents. Single men,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they're not making nearly as much money as

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<v Speaker 1>they once were, and that they're not as educated as

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<v Speaker 1>the women are. You see, because society has set up

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that men, by virtue were always going

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<v Speaker 1>to make more money and therefore didn't need to go

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<v Speaker 1>and get higher Edgy women, on the other hand, needed

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<v Speaker 1>to build up their resumes be just to be treated

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<v Speaker 1>as equal. And we still are not paid as equal

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<v Speaker 1>or treated as equal in the workplace. But now this

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<v Speaker 1>is trickling down. Let me read you this piece. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>a third of adult single men live with a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>That is startling. Single men are much more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be unemployed, financially fragile, and to lack a college degree

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<v Speaker 1>than those with a partner. They're also likely to have

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<v Speaker 1>lower median earnings. Single men earned less in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>than in nineteen ninety, even adjusting for inflation. Single women meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>earned the same as they did thirty years ago. Because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a fucking Equal Pay Act in this

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<v Speaker 1>country and so we can continue to pay women less

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<v Speaker 1>for the same job, but those with partners have increased

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<v Speaker 1>their earnings by fifty percent. There are some of these

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<v Speaker 1>or some of the findings in the new Pew Research

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<v Speaker 1>analysis of twenty nineteen data on the growing gap between

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<v Speaker 1>adults American adults who live with a partner and those

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<v Speaker 1>who do not. While the study is less about the

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<v Speaker 1>effect of marriage and more about the effect of a

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<v Speaker 1>changing economic circumstances, circumstances that have an effect on marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's the idea, are you going to be actively dating,

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<v Speaker 1>actively wanting to join your life with somebody else when

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<v Speaker 1>you are living at home with your parents and don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a stable income. Once again, this all comes back

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<v Speaker 1>to our failing economy. The reality is this that it

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<v Speaker 1>is very expensive to live in America right. It is

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<v Speaker 1>very expensive to go to go to college. You're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about average people raking in debts of six figures for

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<v Speaker 1>a higher education that is not necessarily going to command

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<v Speaker 1>them the salary that is going to help them to

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<v Speaker 1>pay off that debt, So why go This is why

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<v Speaker 1>another study came out and said that more men are

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<v Speaker 1>not going into going to higher education, that more men

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<v Speaker 1>are dropping out of college because what is happening here

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<v Speaker 1>is that our economy is not keeping pace right and

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<v Speaker 1>people are not making as much as they used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go on to show this because there was

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<v Speaker 1>another startling issue here that I found. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at communities of color, these numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>even worse. I'll go on. The trend has not had

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<v Speaker 1>an equal impact across all sectors of society. The Pew study,

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<v Speaker 1>which uses information from the twenty nineteen American Community Survey,

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<v Speaker 1>notes that men are now more likely to be single

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<v Speaker 1>than women, which was not the case thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Black people are much more likely to be single get

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<v Speaker 1>this fifty nine percent than any other race, and Black

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<v Speaker 1>women sixty two percent are more likely to be single

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<v Speaker 1>of any sector. Asian people twenty nine percent are the

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<v Speaker 1>least likely to be single, followed by whiteset thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>and Hispanics at thirty eight percent. Most researchers agree that

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<v Speaker 1>the trend lines showing that fewer people are getting married

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<v Speaker 1>and that those who do are increasingly better off financially,

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot to do with the effect of wealth

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<v Speaker 1>and education on marriage, then vice versa. People who are

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<v Speaker 1>financially stable are just more likely to find and attract

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<v Speaker 1>a partner. So again this goes back to what are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing to ensure that people are not having crippling debt?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing to increase and make certain that

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<v Speaker 1>we have good paying jobs. I did a debate recently

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<v Speaker 1>with a conservative, right wing Republican who said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what this study is talking about because there are

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<v Speaker 1>so many jobs. I see many job openings, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you see job openings in your neighborhood does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean that that translates to the nation. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>their reason why there are so many job openings in retail,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, right now, is because it doesn't fucking pay

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't have health benefits. And when you're living

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of a health pandemic, having health insurance

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<v Speaker 1>and health benefits is really fucking good. So why would

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<v Speaker 1>you be at a job that pays you minimum wage

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<v Speaker 1>or below and doesn't provide you with benefits. You're better

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<v Speaker 1>off not going into those positions. So when we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about whether or not people are going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to leave home, we're talking about the reality that here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. We need, better jobs, good paying jobs for

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<v Speaker 1>all people, because right now folks are opting out and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the problem, folks. I am so excited to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show for the very first time the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>director of CHIROS, the Digital First organizers behind Tech Is

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<v Speaker 1>Not Neutral campaign and the recently launched Facebook Logout campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>Gilanni Drew Davie. Gilanni, can you talk to us about

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<v Speaker 1>your initial reactions to the Facebook whistleblower Francis Hagen and

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<v Speaker 1>what we have learned We're I mean, because I will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this, I don't know if I needed the

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<v Speaker 1>internal documents to tell me that Facebook was putting profits

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<v Speaker 1>over people and that they were more concerned with making

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<v Speaker 1>money than they were with stopping hate groups and white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 1>But what were your reactions and the reactions of CAIROS. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm first super excited to talk to you and

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<v Speaker 1>be here about it. I think that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>first reactions that we had as CHIROS, as an organization

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<v Speaker 1>who's been kind of doing this work for a while

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<v Speaker 1>and both both in the campaigning organizing realm, but also

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<v Speaker 1>building up organizers to do digital organizing and do it

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<v Speaker 1>on tech issues, I think it was the same. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really need the internal documents. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>need to hear the whistleblower Francis saying the things that

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<v Speaker 1>she was saying, and it was reiterating a point that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, civil rights groups to accountability groups have been

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<v Speaker 1>saying for for years and for as us as users

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<v Speaker 1>have been experiencing for years. And so, you know, very

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<v Speaker 1>very appreciative all ways of whistleblowers, especially from Silicon Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's very hard to you know, come out and

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<v Speaker 1>say the things and be public about it. So very

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<v Speaker 1>appreciative that also, I think, you know, it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise at all. You know, I think that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we are all learning, which is really disconcerning,

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that white supremacy, right hate, homophobia, transphobia,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things have no boundaries. Right. They now

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<v Speaker 1>have algorithms, Right, we have a way of being able

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<v Speaker 1>to tap into people's worst instincts. And we're using now

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<v Speaker 1>platforms that were originally i think created to bring people together,

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<v Speaker 1>to bring families and communities and students and all of

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<v Speaker 1>these different types of people seven billion people right together.

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<v Speaker 1>And now what we have seen, at least through the

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<v Speaker 1>activation of these hate groups using Facebook is just an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in tribalism, an increase in how things go viral

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<v Speaker 1>or what makes things go viral. Talk to us about

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<v Speaker 1>the Tech is Not Neutral campaign and why it's important

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<v Speaker 1>for us to have these conversations about who is actually

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<v Speaker 1>creating the tech, who is creating the artificial intelligence, who

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>is creating these algorithms, and through what perspective they're doing. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, I think, you know, tech company products have

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<v Speaker 1>real life consequences for people, for real people. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I say that too, I also want to put a

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<v Speaker 1>little like asterisk of the people who experience the most

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<v Speaker 1>harm are also the same people who experienced the most

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<v Speaker 1>harm offline, and those are going to be like marginalized communities,

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<v Speaker 1>black and brown people, LGBT people, etc. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is so so important to call out and realize

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<v Speaker 1>who is making these products, who was writting these platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>who was making the decisions when it comes to things

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<v Speaker 1>like content moderation, disinformation, even just the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>platform is like functioning. And so, you know, the Tech

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<v Speaker 1>is Not Mutual campaign that we launched last year, we

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<v Speaker 1>was really in response to seeing tech companies jumping on

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<v Speaker 1>this bandwagon of black Lives Matter. I was seeing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an Amazon um black Lives Matter statement, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really that's really rich because Amazon is doing so

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<v Speaker 1>many harmful things to communities of color around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for them to put up their little black square,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like no. And same thing with Google, same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with next Door and and Microsoft for example, saying

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<v Speaker 1>those statements and also playing with our lives, playing with

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<v Speaker 1>our democracy, and so you know, we launched that campaign

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<v Speaker 1>to point out the the I guess like hypercritical nature

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of those of those statements and then also get people

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to start thinking about tech not being neutral. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign, but it's also a framework. It's a way

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking around technology, and also it's a way of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about a vision of the world that we do

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see. We want to create a world where

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<v Speaker 1>tech works for us. We want to create a world

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<v Speaker 1>where we are not told by Silicon Valley that this place,

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<v Speaker 1>this platform, this product is neutral when that's just not

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the truth. That all sways one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what's so funny is that every time that

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<v Speaker 1>I hear somebody say something that is neutral, it is

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<v Speaker 1>almost an alarm that goes off in my head for

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<v Speaker 1>me to be like, oh, so it's the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that you're saying. I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the frustrating points, too, is that we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that technology was going to be the great equalizer, right,

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>was going to be this this democratized space the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone was going to be able to have the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount of access, was going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>post in the same way, you know, And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the case. What we what we know right is from

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<v Speaker 1>I would even go with the content creators on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>the black content creators on TikTok who went on strike,

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<v Speaker 1>who are just like, so, we're not putting our information

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<v Speaker 1>out there. I follow so many sites who are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about white supremacy and they're having their content pulled down

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>as hate speech, and they're the and they are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the harms of white supremacy and how it is spreading,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet they are the ones that are being blocked

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<v Speaker 1>or banned or having their accounts disabled. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that we deal with those issues the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're looking for Congress, right. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the whistleblower has laid out a kind of you know,

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>trail of gingerbread crumbs right for them to develop a

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>case right against Facebook, but it's like, do they even

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>understand what algorithms are? Do they even understand what needs

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to be regulated? And if if cairos, if your organization

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<v Speaker 1>had it, they're wig, what are some waste in which

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>we would ensure that the internet is free, that it

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>is democratize, that people are safe. Yeah, so I think

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the whistle blower definitely laid out a bunch of ways,

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think this moment in time is a bit

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>different because we've now seen from January sixth to now

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>all the Wall Street Journal files the whistle blower, how

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Facebook and technologies like Facebook or like harming our children,

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>our society or democracy, you name it. They're touching it.

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think that you know, this is both This

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is both a Congress issue and a way where users

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>can also have power. And so I think about it.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, Okay, a campaign we're running now, the Facebook blogout,

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>is really getting users to harness their own power, to

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>realize their own power as people who make Facebook and

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Instagram run like those are our engagement, that's our data

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that they're using to make more money, and if we

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>take that away, then they start making money, and therefore

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.719
<v Speaker 1>we can demand the things that we want from them.

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Users are also the same people as constituents, and so lawmakers,

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I think also need to realize that users are constituents,

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and so they need to listen to the things that

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>we're saying and listen to the harms that you're laying

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>out that you know, places like Facebook have have done

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>to us. And as far as like you know, do

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>they even know what to regulate? Do they do they

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>know what algorithms are. I think We've come a long

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>way since I've started this work and the hearings and

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the kind of like memes that have come out and

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>the interesting quotes that have come out of those hearings,

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think we's leve a way to go. And

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, lawmakers need to start also

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>listening to groups like CAIROS and our partners SPURB. We're saying, like,

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>here are the things that we want to see from you.

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>We want to see you know, better things on privacy,

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like protecting children like we saw on the hearings this week,

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and just being able to regulate technology and on value

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in a way that doesn't take everything from people in

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the way that it is. Right now, we experienced a

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>blackout of sorts right when Facebook went down, then taking

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>down with it all of the entities in which they

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>have gobbled up and own. Three and a half billion

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>people were affected. Now we have the you know, the

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>jokes that people in the United States make about, oh, well,

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll just get more work done today because

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't scroll through Instagram and you know, like, oh

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>look at me, like I'll clean my house, or there

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>are a bunch of babies that were being born because

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, nobody had anything else to do with their time.

0:31:55.800 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 1>The reality is, though, that globally, for instance, What's app

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>is used as a survival tool for many in the

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ community, particularly activists in very hostile countries, and so

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>what seems like a funny meme to us when these

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>platforms go down for a few hours is life threatening

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and consequential to others. Do you think that we have

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>enough of a conversation about how these tools have become utilities?

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Right Like, it isn't just a nice to have that

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it actually is a need for people that are at

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>risk and for small businesses and entrepreneurs. Yeah, so I

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>think the Facebook, the Facebook down, Instagram down moment of

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was my day at the beginning of

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>my week ends. You know, I think it was who

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>knows what data is at this point, but I think,

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, that really highlighted a couple of things. I

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>love the memes, you know, we're quick on a on Twitter.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>The spirit Halloween signs over the Facebook thing really killed me.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it like it really was horrible for a

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of small business owners, for organizers who use Facebook

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>for maybe their local elections that are happening now, and

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>people across the world, like you said, in addition to

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>what'sapp being like main communication source, also people open the

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>internet to just Facebook in places outside of the US. Right,

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>we are incredibly privileged to be able to even go

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>onto Twitter and have a key key about you know,

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Facebook is down. This is what I'm doing, making the

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>memes all that kind of stuff. But taking a step back,

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Facebook operates as a public utility, yet they don't, you know,

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>communicate as one. They don't take users seriously as as

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a public utility should. And I think that is really

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>where our kind of a unique stance is is like

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>We're not saying delete Facebook if you want to as

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>an individual, sure, And the conversation shouldn't be like, well,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>if you don't like it, just get out and if

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't, you know, and if you are on it,

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>then you should deal with it. No, Like, this is

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the thing that people use and need. It's probably the

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>biggest way to communicate at this point. And as users

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>we can basically strike and say, you know, we will

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>strike until we get the thing that we need because

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>this is the place where we are doing the things

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 1>that we need to do. And so yeah, I mean,

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think that we have a kind

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of like maybe maybe it's large, maybe it's a nuanced

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>conversation about the ways on which Facebook is actually helpful

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to people, especially globally, And that is a conversation that

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of rows were interested in like continuing

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>to have. And then I think that all of us

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>need to start having given right, how many people around

0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>the world, billions of people are on Facebook's platform, worms,

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>how effective do you think it can be for folks

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to just log out? Like if small businesses rely on

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>this thing, entrepreneurs rely on this platform, organizers, activists rely

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>on this platform. How effective is it to just say, well,

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:22.879
<v Speaker 1>we need to opt out or we need to log

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>out to your point, not to delete it, but to

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 1>log out until our demands are met. M I think

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the focus of the campaign is so is much about

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>showing people power as impacting like Facebook's bottom line. And

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>so I think that it's this balance of we are

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>impacting Facebook's bottom line by like opting out of seeing

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the ads and really digging into where how much they

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 1>get their revenue, which is like ninety eight percent advertising

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>at this point, and we're showing people power by buy

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>and logging out. And I think that you know, we've

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>been contacted by people say, hey, I run a small business.

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>We're organized on Facebook, and that's why our logout is temporary,

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's why it's on an individual basis, and it

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>we really are going with the frame of like we

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>make or break Facebook, And so I think it's this

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of this this balance of or maybe balance a

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>combination of trying to get people to start thinking differently

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>about Facebook and also follow through with an action. And

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 1>we hope to have an impact that is both both

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the bottom line impact and both a change in mind impact,

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>so that you know, we're starting with this pledge now,

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>we're starting with this logout period now and going forward

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know, two, three, four years then we are

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing more things, and we are Mark Zuckerberg

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>is listening to us, or even better, Mark Zuckerberg's not

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 1>CEO of Facebook, because we, as users have in life,

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>we need better leadership. You know, I find Mark Zuckerberg

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to be nauseating on so many different levels, just because

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that he's emblematic of you know, white male

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>privilege and wealth and power personified to a degree that

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mark Zuckerberg in many ways to be able

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to put out the lights accidentally, as they said on

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>three and a half billion people, has more power than

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the president of the United States. And that's something that

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.919
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think again, people get right, they don't

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>they I don't think that they fully understand, you know,

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the way in which this one person who is beholden

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>to no one but his shareholders and his own wallet,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>is in charge of their life. You know. Part of

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the work that you all do is to empower people

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to have these campaigns that show people that you know,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>as was said after the whistleblower came out, that when

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you have a free platform, you have to recognize that

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>you're the product. If you're not paying for a subscription,

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're not paying for the product, then you are

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the product. So how do we continue to empower people

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to recognize and fully understand in this very mindless facial

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.439
<v Speaker 1>recognition you know space that we're in, let me log

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>into everything with Google and Facebook, you know, so that

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>they have all of my passwords and have everything just

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>how I guess just how vulnerable they really are, because

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's what we were shown with the

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>five hour blackout, is that Wow, we're really vulnerable to

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>like somebody literally just pulling the plug. Yeah, it's super

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>important to know that we don't have to actually be

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>complacent with the terms that Facebook or any other social

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 1>media platform sets. We don't have to be just grateful

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>for the tool, because when the tool goles down, then

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what we experienced on Monday. I think the couple

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>of thirds of what you were saying, like one is

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>definitely about data privacy is definitely about you know, the

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>convenience that is single click sign ons giving my information

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>over to this platform so it can work easier, better

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 1>or whatever for me I think that's kind of a

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>false a false choice, and that's something the whistle bloord

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>was saying to like, Facebook has presented us with this

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>false choice, like we don't actually we do have choices here.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>We do have the choice to give information or not.

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think just even being armed with that knowledge

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of I don't have to just give Facebook all of

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>my information, that is a game changer in and of itself.

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>And so I think it's this continuous beating of the

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 1>drum of like, you don't have to just be grateful

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>for the tool, you don't have to just give all

0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>your information, you don't have to just etc. With these platforms.

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, I read a very terrifying article with how

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and watch a terrifying documentary Coded Bias on how essentially

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you know code is going to exacerbate our racism problem

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in this country and around the world. But the terrifying

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>article that I read was about Venice in Italy and

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>how they are deciding to deploy a facial recognition right

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>within the city walls to be able to track tourists

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>so that they can deal with overcrowding. And I use

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that in air quotes because essentially they are testing out

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a mechanism to create an even longer digital leash where

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 1>by every CCTV, everything that you pass will be able

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 1>to have a snapshot. They have tools that are able

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to pull data from your phone just by you by

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>virtue of passing. Of passing by. You know, we see

0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 1>these little articles pop up every once and again, and

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's in Venice, nobody is really paying attention to

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I believe that they are using it

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 1>as a testing ground to see how well it works

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in this city of fifty thousand people before it is

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>used everywhere, right before they decide to adopt it all

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>over Italy. In the form of safety, how do you

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think that we maintain right our safety but at the

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>same time keep pace with the innovation that is happening,

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>keep pace with technology that is going to be used

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>to have us in these digital cages of essentially our

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>own making, because we've provided them with the information. I

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>think that's another thing around around those two things. There's

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>one thing around, like knowledge of what's even happening in

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 1>the first place. Sometimes that is really hard because you know,

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>these little articles pop up every now and again, or

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 1>it's secret. And I think in the case of many

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>states in the United States, like there's been the secrecy

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.399
<v Speaker 1>around you know, biometric surveillance, which is what you're talking about,

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>facial recognition, and other other ways. There's been this secrecy

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and people have found out about it, and organizers have

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>actually organized who change the laws that make those things possible.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>And so there's been there's states in the United States.

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Massachusetts is one of them, and there's

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I believe, if not California as a whole, but like

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>cities in California who have banned biometric surveillance or banded

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>facial recognition use by police by cities, it varies, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is one way that will be really

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<v Speaker 1>tackle this. We get people who are in leadership, We

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<v Speaker 1>get organizers focused on this tech issue as it relates

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<v Speaker 1>with things like racism, with things like holophobia, transphobia, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we're trying to fight. Tech is

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<v Speaker 1>like intersection with those and so even getting people to

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<v Speaker 1>think about how do we look at pace of recognition

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<v Speaker 1>is not just a lonky nere thing that's happening, but

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<v Speaker 1>actually I think that's happening right now and that goes

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<v Speaker 1>for all tech issues as well. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's being aware of it ourselves and doing

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<v Speaker 1>the work to connect the dots for people, and then

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<v Speaker 1>doing the work to then ban those things as far

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<v Speaker 1>as laws go. I mean, I just even think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's it has to be a massive

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<v Speaker 1>information campaign because I don't even think that people recognize

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening. You know, we, you know, pay attention

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<v Speaker 1>and are reading the news and are following these stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but the average person is not. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>day by day we are giving away more and more

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<v Speaker 1>of our civil liberties and we're going to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>one day and they're just going to be gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be inside, locked inside of these digital cages. Please

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<v Speaker 1>tell folks on willkaf how they can participate in the

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook logout and when it's happening. Yeah, absolutely, so the

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<v Speaker 1>logout dot com and on there you can sign up

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<v Speaker 1>to take the pledge to logout on Facebook. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>just start with the pledge. We're not asking you to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything right now, but in November we will take

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<v Speaker 1>in November to really just take days off of Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and show Facebook you know we have power and we

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<v Speaker 1>know how to use it. Jolenny also tell people who

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<v Speaker 1>are interested in learning more about Cairos are becoming trained

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<v Speaker 1>in the many programs and campaigns that you all put together,

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<v Speaker 1>how would they get that information as well? Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can go to Kiros Fellows dot org to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about us. We also have Compirisaction dot org to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about our more legislatives CE four activities. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would say two the two things that

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<v Speaker 1>Kiros does well is build leaders and strategies for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>contending for power. This like digital realm, internet centric world

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<v Speaker 1>we live in. And we run campaigns like tech usant

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<v Speaker 1>Mutual and the Facebook Blogout. So if those things are

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<v Speaker 1>interest of view, definitely go to Cairos Fellows dot org

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Facebook Logout dot com. Fantastic, Gilani Drew Davies,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for making the time to join woke.

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<v Speaker 1>F Thank you for the work that you are doing

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<v Speaker 1>that you continue to bring awareness to these issues that

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<v Speaker 1>I think more people need to be paying attention to. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for having us. It's great, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today on Woke af as always,

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<v Speaker 1>Power to the people and to all the people power,

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<v Speaker 1>get woke and stay woke as fuck.