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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Hunting Collective, Episode

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Speaker 1: sixties a matter of fact, which is pretty cool. Uh today,

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Speaker 1: it's a good one. It's a real good one. We're

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Speaker 1: joined by Ryan cal Callahan. He's talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, but his brand new podcast it's called Cow's

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Speaker 1: Weekend Review. And we're also joined by Meat Eaters brand

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Speaker 1: new editor in chief, Anti Locata. In fact, it was

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Speaker 1: his first day in the office when we sat down

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Speaker 1: to record. It's really cool. We're also answering some of

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Speaker 1: your uh listener emails. We're talking a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about Game of Thrones, who doesn't and who does like

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Speaker 1: peas at all? Kinds of other interesting things. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, we're gonna talk about federal premium

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Speaker 1: ammunition and you're gonna be hearing lots and lots about

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Speaker 1: them and the weeks to come. But for sure, uh,

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Speaker 1: my favorite AMMO and the m I've been using all

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Speaker 1: Turkey season. Now you're thinking about when you're thinking about turkey,

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Speaker 1: am I and a lot of advertiser will mention this

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Speaker 1: that a lot of new Turkey loads are designed to

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Speaker 1: perform at longer distances. And when I say longer, distances,

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Speaker 1: I mean things past thirty and forty yards. Now, Federal

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Speaker 1: Premium talks about their mL being good out to fifty.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen him put a number on it, but

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Speaker 1: I've heard and talk to them about fifty yards kind

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Speaker 1: of being where they're at. There's a lot of ways

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Speaker 1: that this load does a fifty I shot my turkey

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Speaker 1: in South Dakota at sixty yards. He did not go

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Speaker 1: because it's a six yard shot on the turkey is

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Speaker 1: not one I would normally make. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I could make it, and make it

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Speaker 1: we did. If you want to hear that story, go

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Speaker 1: to last week's episode and listen to my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Sam Sohol and you'll hear all about it. But I

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Speaker 1: got it done at sixty yards with Federals heavyweight t

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Speaker 1: SS loads um. I love tungsten. We're going to read

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Speaker 1: up about tungsten. There's a whole lot to know. But

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Speaker 1: it's denser than lead. It's it's fifty six I think

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Speaker 1: percent denser than lead, allowing you to shoot a smaller

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Speaker 1: pellet to get two more pellets in your payload, to

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Speaker 1: kill more turkeys more pellets and kills him. That's how

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Speaker 1: that works. And and we're big fans. We're big fans.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's all I'm shooting is Federal Premium's heavyweight tss.

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Speaker 1: So go pick you up some at Federal Premium dot com.

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Speaker 1: And now, without further ado, we're onto the show, episode

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Speaker 1: number sixty, coming right up. I guess I grew up

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Speaker 1: on an older road, a paredal to the medals. I

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Speaker 1: like it's like grew up. I mean, there are a

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Speaker 1: And now I just wanted to real bad dream of

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Speaker 1: But thank you, Jack Daniel. No, hey, everybody, it's me

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Speaker 1: your old pal, Ben and Brian. Another episode of Hunting

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Speaker 1: Collective is happening right now. You're listening to it, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it is five seven nineteen. That's when this will be

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Speaker 1: coming out to your ears. And it's it's May, man,

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Speaker 1: it's May. That's very disconcerting to me April did not

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Speaker 1: more in a late stages of May. But I'm joining

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Speaker 1: right now by Ryan cal Callahan, the director of Conservation

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Speaker 1: for One Media, to incorporate the local that's the d

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Speaker 1: th HC, the podcast th HC. I love it. That's

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Speaker 1: my you know, I had one message from our live podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: think you should remind people that you it's a violation

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Speaker 1: I said, now, I will not be reminding, Like it's

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Speaker 1: the podcast the Hunting Collective th C, Sir, th C. Yes,

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Speaker 1: We we're gonna talk about a lot of things today,

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Speaker 1: chief for God's sakes, tell us all about that cow.

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Speaker 1: tell a great story about Mr Lakata. I've I've got

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Speaker 1: the THHC Game of Throns Recap a weekly segment. His

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Speaker 1: best entertainment I've ever heard on the podcast. God, Who's

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Speaker 1: Gonna be a Winner? And there are some people that

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Speaker 1: famous program. Well the you know, I kind of get

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Speaker 1: like the you know, you have some bad actors that

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Speaker 1: impose bullshit on everybody else, you know. Um, And you

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Speaker 1: know Matthew was probably looking for an excuse to kick

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Speaker 1: New Jersey to the curb. Yeah, And if that's what

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Speaker 1: he wants to hang his hat on, more power to you.

429
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Speaker 1: It's a last straw situation. Yeah, more pared to you

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Speaker 1: live where you want, I say, And you got a

431
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Speaker 1: lot of options in this country. No, I mean I lived,

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Speaker 1: you know I didn't live in some like oppressive state,

433
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Speaker 1: but I lived in Illinois for a time and you

434
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Speaker 1: had to get a void card firearms owners identification documents.

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Speaker 1: I'm like that foid. Um you had to get that,

436
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Speaker 1: you had to go and pay a fee and get

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Speaker 1: I believe you still have to do it. To purchase

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Speaker 1: AMMO or a firearm, you had to have a little

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Speaker 1: card issued by the state folks, let your picture on it.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't have it, couldn't purchase purchase either one

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Speaker 1: of those two things. It's just a different wrinkle that

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Speaker 1: you just don't have here in Montana or many other

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Speaker 1: states up into And so when we start talking about

444
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Speaker 1: gun laws, we do this often we forget about and

445
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Speaker 1: again brought that up a little bit in the interview

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Speaker 1: with Anthony, the differences between living in Connecticut, New Jersey,

447
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Speaker 1: Illinois and living in other states like Wyoming, Montana and

448
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Speaker 1: others like there's just different restrictions on on firearms. Um,

449
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: it's an interesting perspective. Yeah, So here's the guy that

450
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: moved a long ways to escape it. Um. Moving on, though,

451
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Speaker 1: we got a thing, a new thing were we just announced,

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Speaker 1: um this weekend, it's called Cow's Week End Review. Cow's

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Speaker 1: Weekend Review with Ryan cal Callahan. Can you do like

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Speaker 1: the intro voice? What are you good at that? Uh No,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I actually haven't listened to the intro enough. Yeah,

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00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: it's like Cow's We Can Review with Ryan I'll callahan

457
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: now here's yeah, um tell us about it. Well, Ben,

458
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a little it's a little scary.

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Speaker 1: It's a little unnerving because it's like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: information that I find very interesting. But there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a real chance other folks won't. If you don't, you're

462
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Speaker 1: kind of a you know, plebia. But yeah, you're out there.

463
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Speaker 1: So um no, a bunch of cool facts and interesting

464
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: topics that are current and happening, and um most of

465
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Speaker 1: it which deal with conservation, um animals, anthropology. Yeah. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: the first one I'm a big fan of because it

467
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: talks about a bunch of birds, different types of birds,

468
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: and then also cats. So it's a nice quick book.

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Speaker 1: Well there give us a little quick highlight of what

470
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Speaker 1: people might be able to hear when if they go

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Speaker 1: over and listen to Cow's We Can View. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's all live, you go and subscribe to that sucker

473
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Speaker 1: right now, go over there and take a break, subscribe

474
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Speaker 1: to it. They come back. We'll wait. Are you aware

475
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that well man kind of kind of spoil something. Well, Okay,

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Speaker 1: one really good thing that we just covered. Um, simple one.

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Speaker 1: Turkeys are omnivores. A lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I found it very interesting that the top meets in

479
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Speaker 1: this country are omnivores. Chickens ninety four pounds of chicken

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Speaker 1: per person on average in the United States. Um, each year, Right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do it each year. Damn pigs another omnivore.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's sixty some pounds of pig per person

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Speaker 1: per year. Uh, knockdown seven hundred and thirty some million

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Speaker 1: pounds of turkey. Yeah, across the United States in two

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Speaker 1: thousand eleven, so three omnivors. And then people get all

486
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Speaker 1: wrapped around the axle over folks eating bears. Bears an omnivor. Man. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: And it just always has fascinated me to see, like

488
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Speaker 1: where do we draw the line? And this is cows

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Speaker 1: we can review. Now. If I were to give it

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Speaker 1: a review, I would say it's it's the ship that

491
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: cal cares about that you should care about, and it

492
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Speaker 1: will make you way better at dinner parties. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: dinner parties. Pub trivia anything, pub trivia is a great one.

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Speaker 1: You know, jeopardy anything that we're quires you to have

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Speaker 1: knowledge and numbers and facts. And this is on a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis, so you're never gonna be able to remember

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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, all the stuff that you really wish

498
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Speaker 1: you would have learned in college and school. It's right here. Yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: it's like a college class. It is. Yeah, you can sleep,

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Speaker 1: don't sleep, give me a weekly download. Just meat. Fun

501
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Speaker 1: things like you can tap some pretty lady on the

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Speaker 1: shoulder and be like, oh, excuse me, mass were you aware?

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Speaker 1: What do you have? That's it's good at dates if

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Speaker 1: you ever you know how you get those awkward silences

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Speaker 1: during a date. This is where you're like, you know

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00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: what you know about mountain lions? And then you give

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Speaker 1: them something you learn on the Cows podcast. So really

508
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of like he's like your life coach. He's

509
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Speaker 1: filling in the gaps of your life. I'm never a

510
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Speaker 1: dull moment. Never dull moment. Cows. We can review. Now,

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Speaker 1: speaking of reviews, here's what you're gonna wanta Do you

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Speaker 1: want to go to wherever you listen to podcasts, subscribe.

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Speaker 1: It's a key that you subscribe. You must do that

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Speaker 1: because then it will come, it will pop right up.

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Speaker 1: You don't do anything, and then you just hit it

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Speaker 1: and review it and give it five stars. That's the

517
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Speaker 1: only option. Five stars, and that's it. That's what you

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Speaker 1: gotta do, and then listen to the pockets. Of course

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Speaker 1: at the end. Actually don't all that, but that's that's

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Speaker 1: your homework for today. It'd be real helpful. It just

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Speaker 1: makes me feel like, you know, more of a well

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Speaker 1: rounded human being. He gave me that follow on subscribe

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Speaker 1: button and the five star review. I can give you, uh,

524
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: some more tidbits here as far as what the hell

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: is happening out there? Um, you men talk about genetic diversity. Yeah,

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00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: we hit that on Game with Yeah, it's not just

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Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones people. Oh that's it. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Give me. Let me think of a good one that

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Speaker 1: I know was in the show that I want to

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Speaker 1: let want people to know about in case they missed it. Um,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the Castlewary. Oh so you got this

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Speaker 1: bird that's from New Guinea can hit six ft tall,

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds. Think about that, folks, that's like

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Speaker 1: a dinosaur. It's like a veloci wrap this. People get

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Speaker 1: fed up with people calling birds dinosaurs. It's just like

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Speaker 1: it's something a lot of folks say these days, or

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Speaker 1: maybe just the folks that in the circles I run with.

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Speaker 1: But if you were to look at a castlewary, it

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Speaker 1: is a six ft tall, flightless bird with giant legs.

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Speaker 1: Can run thirty one. How they figured it hit thirty

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Speaker 1: one but can't hit thirty two, I do not know.

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Speaker 1: But each foot has a four dagger like claw on it.

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Speaker 1: And to top it all off, it has a fin,

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Speaker 1: a ridge of solid bone like a mohawk on top

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Speaker 1: of its head. So lay that bird down, pluck the

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Speaker 1: feathers off of it, and then go to the Natural

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Speaker 1: History Museum and take a look at dinosaurs and tell

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Speaker 1: me what you think. There's a dinosaur and this is

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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff like that you get this information, like,

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Speaker 1: look at at this thing. The biggest difference is that

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Speaker 1: this particular dinosaur that we're talking about kill the dude

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Speaker 1: last week, not killed the dude. These things can swim

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Speaker 1: to there. They're dangerous. It's the most dangerous burden the world.

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Speaker 1: Don't trust the cast wary, is what we're saying. A

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Speaker 1: castwary murdered a guy in Florida. Yeah, this dinosaur is

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Speaker 1: currently killing people. It's murdering people. So if the little kids,

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Speaker 1: your little kids like dinosaurs, tell them about the real

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Speaker 1: life dinosaur. Yeah, I'm gonna take my son to see

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Speaker 1: the castle wary exhibit. I don't know if there is one.

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: The other other part is um in this man's will,

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Speaker 1: he had a ton of exotic species on his place

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Speaker 1: in Florida. His will says that they all need to

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Speaker 1: be sold. Maybe that's a nod to the fact that

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Speaker 1: he knows that they're dangerous and dangerous and he's the

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Speaker 1: he's was felled by one. Didn't it like just rip

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Speaker 1: his throat, or that it was basically stomped to death. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So imagine that chicken scratching in the yard. Just imagine

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty pound version of that sweet four

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Speaker 1: inch claws. And this guy had been a cast wary

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Speaker 1: owner for a long time, the exotic animal owner for

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Speaker 1: a long time, and he was just in the enclosure

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Speaker 1: with the bird. According to authorities, he likely just tripped

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Speaker 1: and fell and the bird was like, here's my chance.

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Speaker 1: It's been waiting, it's been waiting for years. Let me

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Speaker 1: help you up. No, no, and dead. Now that's what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get on Cows we can review, And that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean, it seems about bird thought more

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Speaker 1: morbid bird death, murder. Uh, you know, thirty minutes long,

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Speaker 1: it's a quick it's a quick man. You could do it.

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Speaker 1: If you take long showers, you could listen. If you

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Speaker 1: take twenty two minute shower. Yeah, let me hop in

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Speaker 1: the shower with you, you know. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: just say it that way, everybody will subscribe. Honey, are

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Speaker 1: you in there with someone? It's just it's just Ryan

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Speaker 1: cal Calahan from Meat Eaters News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana,

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Speaker 1: tell me about a murder's bird. Yep. So anyway, if

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Speaker 1: you take long showers, if you have short commutes, if

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Speaker 1: you're making did you do like microwavable meals sometimes like

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Speaker 1: a frozen pizza might take twenty two minutes to cook up.

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Speaker 1: So any of these things you could do while listen

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Speaker 1: to Cows we can review. Yeah, really envisioned it as

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Speaker 1: just here are some quick hits, like if you want

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Speaker 1: to pick up some fun facts twenty two minutes, half hour.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna guaranteed you're gonna learn a lot. It is

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Speaker 1: an information packed twenty two minutes, perfect, perfect. Now before

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Speaker 1: we go, we're gonna get to Mr Locato. Um, do

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Speaker 1: you like Peace? Yeah, I'm in Peace. Do you like him? Yep? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know you're not a fan, not a fan that

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Speaker 1: turns out Locata. What do you think Locatta is into

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Speaker 1: Peace or not? I would say yes, he's into him, yeah, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I'm here on Pless Island. Well, there's a lot

602
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: of stuff that you can do with them, you know,

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00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: not not your grandma's pea recipes that are that are tastes. Well,

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00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: we'll have to continue to battle that one out. But um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna bring back that word pure a p um

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Speaker 1: so we can get to the interview orson of the show.

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: And this is a man who is now uh calin

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Speaker 1: eye boss. Correct. We report to him and in fact,

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Speaker 1: in the interview, which was was great. Um, wait till

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Speaker 1: the end because it gets real good as we get

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Speaker 1: going in the end. But he asked me. I asked him,

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Speaker 1: do you have any questions for me? And he said,

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Speaker 1: what would you do if you didn't work in hunting

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Speaker 1: phishing media, and I was like, well that if that

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Speaker 1: ain't foreshadowing, I don't know what is So st step

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Speaker 1: into my office, Ben, what would you do if he

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Speaker 1: didn't work here? Well, do I have an opportunity for you?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get to find out so that that's in there.

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Speaker 1: But he's a great interview. Anthony is man. He's a

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Speaker 1: vet of our world. Uh. He's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: bit of an icon in my mind, hopefully any I

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Speaker 1: do need to suck up to him now to keep

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Speaker 1: keep hanging around. I feel so he's an icon, um.

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Speaker 1: But but his perspective, it will be so much more

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Speaker 1: than just additive to our current group. His leadership and

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Speaker 1: his effects on this business and this company and and

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Speaker 1: this product and all our other media products. You'll will

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Speaker 1: soon begin to see um the because he is a

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Speaker 1: force uh in our space. So we're very glad to

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Speaker 1: have him. M very glad to take a little bit

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Speaker 1: behind the curtains on how he got here and and

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Speaker 1: where he was prior um to meat Eater. So without

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Speaker 1: further ado, we're going to take you to this actually

634
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Speaker 1: the same room. We're gonna travel back in time about

635
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Speaker 1: three hours and we're gonna have an interview with good

636
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Speaker 1: friend Anthon Kata and Mediators brand new editor in chief

637
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: Anthony leccara. How are you, sir, Welcome to your first

638
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: day and meet either Incorporated. Yeah, my first day it's

639
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I got that first day of school feeling excited to

640
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: get nervous, excited at risk. And I saw that you

641
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: brought a trapper keeper. That was an interesting I wish

642
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I still had my traffick. I had a for a time,

643
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: I had like a zebra trappick. Was really like I

644
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: think that model is for girls. But that's okay, that's fine.

645
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that listen of this podcast. Stop be calling

646
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: like a hipster like sparkling water and zebra traffic keepers.

647
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: But it really is your first day. This is what

648
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: I've caught you on. I didn't think you'd have time

649
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: for this, but I've caught you on your your first

650
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: day here at the offices and in Bozeman. Um, just

651
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: just describe, like what the range of thoughts and emotions

652
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: that's going through your through your mind? Well, um, yeah,

653
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: my mind's going a million miles an hour. Because first

654
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: of all, I'm I'm excited and I'm happy and ready

655
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to jump right at it because you know, I'm knowing

656
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: what Steve's done for a long time and what you've done.

657
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I've known a lot of the guys here and been

658
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: following Meat Eater, and um, it really kind of fits

659
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: with my vibe and he though and what I've tried

660
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: to do in my career. So like, I'm anxious to

661
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: get started, but like there's a lot, there's a lot

662
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: going on in a lot to figure out. So, um,

663
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of question of where to start. Yeah, so

664
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: your position is editor in chief. I feel like, um,

665
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: like many of us, you kind of have a you

666
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: know what the position title is and what the description says,

667
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: but you don't quite know exactly what the reality of

668
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. So I'm sure that's there's But what

669
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: do you what do you see from we have I

670
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: don't want to seem too too much like an insular interview,

671
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: but we do have a website, We have podcast network. Like,

672
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: what's most exciting of all the things you've seen, that's

673
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get to work one. Um, you know

674
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: I am excited about all that's Certainly the podcast network

675
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Um, you know the growth of the podcast.

676
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: It's such a hot category. Uh, they're really good. There's

677
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: so much engagement with the audience. Um, it's just really

678
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: fun and I'm really looking forward to working on those

679
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, the Hunting Collective is probably the best one,

680
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, of course, probably like by far over

681
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: and above any other one, any of them they meet either. Yeah,

682
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I'll say that during this interview on this podcast. Yeah,

683
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: when you go on that other one. Then he said,

684
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: this one is terrible. Um, you're you're not from here.

685
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not the same as me. You're not from here.

686
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Where are you from? Well, I always say I'm from

687
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania because that's where I was born and raised and

688
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: I lived until I was twenty one, and I can't

689
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't have the heart to say where I live now,

690
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: which is New Jersey. We had a lot of negative

691
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: New Jersey five, you know, but listen to New Jersey

692
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: is not that bad growing up in Pennsylvania. Grew up

693
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: in rural area in Pennsylvania, and I always used to

694
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: complain about the people who came from New Jersey hunting

695
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: my my spots, my public land. But now I'm one

696
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: of those people where I was Uh. So I lived

697
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: in New Jersey because I worked in New York City,

698
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: so I lived in the suburbs. They're actually not a

699
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: bad place to live. It's terrible for gun owners and

700
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: uh taxpayers to um. But it was close to my job.

701
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: But it also allowed me to get home to Pennsylvania

702
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: in a pretty reasonable time, about three hour drive away

703
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: from my dear camp and my brother's land and some

704
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: of my favorite streams and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean,

705
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: take take folks through because you know, one of the

706
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to have on you know, on your

707
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: first day or at least early on in your career

708
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: here is because people start hearing more from you, they're

709
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: start reading your stuff. They just start taking into content

710
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: and you create, like what's the what do you remember

711
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: most from the beginning days of your hunting and fishing?

712
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: Because we we came from a very similar place. I'm

713
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna have ended up in a similar place right now.

714
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have it's true following you I doubt that. Um. Yeah.

715
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: I learned to hunt and fish from my father, very

716
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: typical story and my older brothers. I'm the youngest of

717
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: seven kids, so my older brothers hunted and Um, so

718
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: did my father. And my father was a school teacher,

719
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: so he was what I would think would be a

720
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of very typical outdoorsman. Um. He never traveled to

721
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: hunter fish. Mean that's not true. We went up to

722
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Canada once or twice, you know, drove up and rented

723
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: cabin on a lake, that kind of thing. But he

724
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: wasn't traveling all over. He hundred and fished on the weekends,

725
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: and he always took us. And we've lived in a

726
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: place where there was some good public land close and

727
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: good uh good streams, good lakes, and some family friends

728
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: went farms and stuff. So I started hunting that way.

729
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: And it was something that, um, you know, something that

730
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: my father and I my brothers could do together. I

731
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: wish my sister is haunted. They don't. Um, I don't

732
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: know if my father did a good enough job teaching them, frankly,

733
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: but UM, I hope to do that a little different

734
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: one my daughter. How many kids? How many kids in

735
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: your family overall? Uh, there's seven in in um you know,

736
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: with with my brothers and sisters. Yeah, four boys, three girls.

737
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: So I started out hunting turkeys and deer, typical stuff, grouse, Um,

738
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of mixed small game, just hiking around

739
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: the woods with a gun, following a dog hunting grouse,

740
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: squirrels would ever, and you know, some of the things

741
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: that stick out to me is like, especially deer hunting,

742
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: it was November often that part of Pennsylvania. It's often

743
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: there was often snow. It's cold, long days in these

744
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: big woods in with my dad, you know, really kind

745
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: of that's what really made me fall in love love

746
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, I remember talking to Ronelle about that earlier,

747
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: maybe like the first times I met him and we

748
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: were having this kind of conversation. I was like, dude,

749
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I remember my dad feeling to me like grew up

750
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: in this big hardwoods, like but sure trees everywhere, the

751
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: timber that the canopy is well above you. But I

752
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: remember thinking that my dad being as tall as those trees.

753
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: Being a kid felling him around, I mean I was

754
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: waddling behind him in like all these layers, like four

755
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: pairs of sweatpants. Yeah, man, you live in pa or Maryland.

756
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: You wearing coveralls, wearing covers, right, I wasn't wearing any

757
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: technical gear and and walking to the snow and looking

758
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: at him and he had his wool rich on, but

759
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: he'd have no gloves on, you know, and I thought,

760
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe he could do that,

761
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, in this coal olden And yeah, I like

762
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: that feeling, like you said, of kind of looking up

763
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: and he looks almost as big as the trees. Yeah,

764
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that vividly. Is there, like you're

765
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: we always do this thing where it's like, well, that's

766
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: your first, dear, your first thing, the first that is

767
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: there a story for you that you've told often or

768
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: or have in your mind that kind of speaks to

769
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: those years. Yeah, it would be my first turkey because

770
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: I grew up. Um, when I started hunting, I guest cheese,

771
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: what year would it be? I was twelve, so I

772
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: would say it was, um, maybe eighty seven. In my

773
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: part of Pennsylvania. There hadn't been a lot of turkeys,

774
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: um for many years. So my brothers are a bit

775
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: older than me, they didn't hunt turkeys that weren't any around.

776
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: My dad didn't hunt turkeys with them. Um, they went

777
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: off to college. I was coming up hunting and all

778
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden there was turkeys around. My dad got

779
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: into turkey hunting, so that was something that he and

780
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: I did. That was just us. You know, my brothers

781
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: didn't do it, so I still you know, remember first

782
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: turkey that I got, he called it in for me.

783
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: He was sitting behind me, and just kind of a

784
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: typical hunting that part of the world, you know, getting

785
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: him off the roost um, you know, finding him in

786
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: the dark, hooting at him, getting them to gobble, setting

787
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: up in the dark, getting him off the roost, and

788
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: just seeing that bird come through the timber. I mean,

789
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: I love the tricky hunting. I'll do it all kinds

790
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: of ways, and I've killed Burt plenty birds and fields

791
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: and open train. But to me in the big timber,

792
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: when you see that head coming in, you know, red, blue, white,

793
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: whatever there's It's also the way a gobble sounds and

794
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: a big stands of timber like that. Man, it's like

795
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: it has this like vibrance that it doesn't have. You

796
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: think you go crawling across the plains after a Merriam

797
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: turkey and like South Dakota like I was last week. Um,

798
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: you don't feel it the way you feel it. If

799
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: it's like bouncing off those trees and off the cap.

800
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: It's very true. It's it's hard to describe. But you're right.

801
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: If it's it's bouncing through the trees, it's that a

802
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: little bit of mystery because it sounds like, oh man,

803
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: it's right here, but you can't see him and you're

804
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: not sure where he is, and you have a feeling

805
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: that he could pop up anywhere at any second. Yeah.

806
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: And I always remember, like the first time I saw

807
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: a turkey's head bobbing like on the crest of a ridge,

808
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, I actually saw this turkey

809
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: that has been this mysterious like flying dinosaur that I've

810
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: just never seen. And it's like, I remember that vividly.

811
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I remember how tall it seemed. Yeah, that suckers as

812
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: tall as I am. Yep. Probably I remember like the

813
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: first game I saw. I remember remarking to my dad

814
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: how shiny was with my next door neighbor shot, Like

815
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: they're so shiny? Why are they so shiny? What is

816
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: it about it? Um? But yeah, I mean it's there's

817
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: a lore there. It's still my favorite way to haunt

818
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: turkeys in the timber. You know, no blind back up

819
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: against a tree, shotgun across your knees. You're out in

820
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: the open. You gotta keep everything still, um, when it

821
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: comes together like that, man, that's a that's a good morning,

822
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: and so you move you move on like you know,

823
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: we're not gonna want to do a whole um skin

824
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: across your life, but getting to your fessional career. When

825
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: you start thinking about all of us here had had

826
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: the same connection that I when we were a kid.

827
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: Most of us it's the it's the parental guidance that

828
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: got us there some some other different ways. Most of

829
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: us have that same similar story where I think a

830
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: lot of us diverges. When we got out into the

831
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: world on our own, we decided what profession we wanted

832
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: to have and then kind of how we sneaked our

833
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: way to to being in the hunting slash fishing industry.

834
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: If you if you were just to say it that way, So,

835
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: what when was the first moment, like you thought that

836
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: you could have a career in doing what you're currently doing.

837
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Probably not long before I got my first job in

838
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: the field I i uh um in in this industry

839
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: I started. I went to college and I'm majored in

840
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: English and literature because I like to read and I

841
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: like to write. And that was, frankly the only thing

842
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I ever was any good at school. So UM, I

843
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: would like to say I had this big plan um,

844
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I just went and I studied that

845
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 1: and got close to graduation, I was like, well, jeez,

846
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: maybe I should work in publishing. And I had and

847
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: getting hunting and fishing magazine since I was ten years old,

848
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: and you know, it started occurring to me, Oh, maybe

849
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: I could do that. Um, But I thought, well, geez,

850
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna I'm sure everybody wants to do that. That's

851
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. But um, you know, I got my

852
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: first job in publishing and I was only in it

853
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: a couple of months when I saw, um a listing

854
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: for a job at a hunting and fishing magazine. And

855
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I know how to do that.

856
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how to hunt and fish. And it

857
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: was in New York City. I had a little bit

858
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: of a leg up because there aren't a ton of

859
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: people there and grew up with guns and knew how

860
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: to hunt and fish and grew up with that, and

861
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I did so I got the job. U. I got

862
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: a job pretty soon after college in that field, and

863
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wow, this is way better

864
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: than out of imagine. This was a good, good, good move. Yeah.

865
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I remember for myself come in like being sent out

866
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: to I got my first job at the n A,

867
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, working on American Hunter, and they sent me

868
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: to Wyoming to kill an antelope bush to the veteran

869
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: Western Hunt. Was like yeah, started hunt, and I just

870
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: remember thinking getting there, getting off the plane, landing and Billings,

871
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: Montana and driving around and everyone else the car is talking.

872
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there like, do you guys understand what

873
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: we're doing right now? They're paying us to drive over here.

874
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: Did you go this animal? You understand? And everyone's like yeah, yeah.

875
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: A lot of old guys that you know from Like

876
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: I was sitting beside Bob Rob and I just remember

877
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: him laughing every time. Every time I would say something,

878
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Bob would laugh at me. Well, it's it's one of

879
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: those moments where um, I grew up reading Field and

880
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Stream magazine and I got a job there, and I'm like,

881
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's Dave Petzel, the guy sitting next

882
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: to me. That's a guy I've been reading since I

883
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: was a little kid. And it is you can kind

884
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: of had to pinch yourself and look around and yeah,

885
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: we're lucky. Yeah, And what it's a good topic. What

886
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: other influences you know from your younger years as far

887
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: as you're taking in hunting and fishing media. There are

888
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: people that you would call out as is super flegial

889
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: to your your work. Um well, yea, sir, certainly. Dave

890
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Petzel was one of them. He was, um, very influential

891
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: just because he he writes with such humor and personality

892
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: and such knowledge and stringing it all together. And that was, um,

893
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, something that I really enjoyed and always tried

894
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: to think about. You know. Um, part of the things

895
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: that I loved about hunting fishing, like my influences just

896
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: comes from being a country boy, right, Michael, Like a

897
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: lot of us who are in these sports, I just

898
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: love the outdoors and I love nature, right, So you

899
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: know I loved, um, I love pointing in the creek, right,

900
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: love running through the fields, I love catching critters, like

901
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: just that typical outdoor nature stuff. And so when I

902
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: got a little bit older and I started seeing writers

903
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: who could incorporate more of that stuff in their story, um,

904
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: with stuff I liked very much, you know, And I

905
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: think that's sometimes like some of the classic stuff they

906
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: did that really well you know, everybody talks about Jack

907
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: O'Connor of the famous outdoor life writer. You know, people

908
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: probably don't know who he is anymore, but you go

909
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: Mack and you read some of that stuff, and like

910
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: you really feel like you know the place and you're

911
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: experiencing the animals in the mountains and what it looks like.

912
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: And that's stuff that's always very important to me in

913
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: my work. Yeah. I mean, the more that we've introduced

914
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: social media and television and film and the way that

915
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: we describe places I think has has suffered. Yeah. I

916
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: would would definitely been Jack certainly if he would have

917
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: been filming all his adventures and putting them out there,

918
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: would have they would have seemed a lot different in

919
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: the way that he presented him Yeah, absolutely. And you

920
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: know some of the other trends of it's a lot

921
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: of very results oriented, you know, whether you're talking about

922
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: uh hunting show or an article or written content. A

923
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: lot of times it's all about how to do it better.

924
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: And that's fine, um, But that experiential stuff I think

925
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: is is you know, always to me much as well. Well.

926
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: And you spent the next how many two decades at

927
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: least twenty two years. That correct, twenty years, so the

928
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: next two decades at field, stream Slash outdoor life in

929
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: different capacities, and to my mind, would be the foremost

930
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: person to talk to about like where hunting media is

931
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: today hunting this is hunting podcast, but outdoor media, how

932
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: you've seen it grow and change and kind of what

933
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: you what you think the future is. So I think

934
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: we could probably start at the beginning there, during your

935
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: twenty years, what have you seen change? You've been through

936
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: the introduction of social media, You've been through the introduction

937
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: of the internet, the way that people you know from

938
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: a from a very traditional pulpit, which was a magazine

939
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: that has all the pomp and circumstance of of any

940
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: name or publication in our world. So I mean, what

941
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: is there a way to encapsulate that experience over for

942
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: over that time. Yeah, I ask really long and ridiculous questions. Well,

943
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: it's u as you said, I was there twenty years.

944
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: I started in so I started at a very interesting time,

945
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: right before everything changed. Yeah, I mean there was no iPhone,

946
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: there was no social media. Uh. We had a website

947
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: when I started, but it was just to get people

948
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: to subscribe to the magazine. Um. Obviously the way UM

949
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: hunters consumed content and changed, just like everybody has. UM.

950
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: There's so much out there. There's so much stuff and

951
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: you can get it so many different ways, from television shows, streaming,

952
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: social media, your phone at like, whatever you want is

953
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: out there. So to me, the big changes has been

954
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: UM to kind of navigate navigate that, right. I think

955
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: there's a tency for people to fall into their little groups,

956
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: they're little tribes, and only go get the content that

957
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: they're interested in. Right. That's kind of natural and that's fine.

958
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: But UM, the real fun stuff is when you could

959
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: kind of go beyond that and bring audi it's just

960
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: together reach people who think, um, who didn't know they

961
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: wanted to read this or watch it or hear it.

962
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, people who thought they you know, oh that's

963
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: not a topic that interests me, but somehow you interest them. UM.

964
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: To me, that is one of the most important things

965
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: that media could do now in this in this age

966
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: where everything is so fractured. Yeah, is it. I I've

967
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: said in the past here in other conversations that I

968
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: feel too. Somebody asked me on another podcast, what do

969
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: you feel like it is the biggest issue for hunting

970
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: right now, And I think I might have said something

971
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: very similar to what you said, like the fragmentation of

972
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: the tribe is the word I bemoaned was like the

973
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: tribes of people that are forming around and it's harder.

974
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: You can't really get consensus on any one idea that

975
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: that travels along a parallel path with you know, urbanization

976
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: and other things that are kind of calling away from

977
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: what we've done our whole lives. Um, what, how do

978
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: how do you how do we beat that or how

979
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: do we understand just how things are fragment? And then

980
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: what's the thing to do to bring them together and

981
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: build that bridge over to the non hunter who may

982
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: be looking over here and be like, I'm not really

983
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: sure what this is. It's a community that of hunters

984
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever we call it. Well, I think you know,

985
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: one thing that hunters have in common with people like

986
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: you and I who create media is that we're curious, right,

987
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: And to me, curiosity is one of the um best

988
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: you know traits in a person in life. It keeps

989
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: your life interesting. I mean I just love learning about

990
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: new stuff and trying something new, and I just feel

991
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: that my life personally is more rewarding and interesting. The

992
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: more stuff I learn about or do UM, And I

993
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: think if I kind of take that attitude the same

994
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: with the outdoors and try to do that with all

995
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: the content I create. Okay, if you are really into

996
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, bon hunting for white tailed deer, that's awesome. Um,

997
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: but you should try this too, because you can't hunt

998
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: for white tailed deer all year long, and there's so

999
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: much we could. Your life is so enriched anytime you're

1000
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: outside I think, and doing something with nature like that,

1001
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: and to be able to try something new, I just

1002
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: think it's more fun. The more you could do, the

1003
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: more fun you could have. At least that's that's what

1004
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: it is for me. I mean ice fishing. I don't

1005
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: really ice fish very much, but the last couple of

1006
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: years we had um some tough winners and good ice

1007
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, man, I'll go. Somebody asked me, yeah, sure. Many.

1008
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: When I moved here, you know, I was like, ice fishing.

1009
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: Of all the things I'm excited about moving to Montana

1010
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: for ice fishing not one of them. But immediately when

1011
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: I got here, like that's cool as hell. Yeah I'm

1012
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna put it in my tool

1013
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: belt of things to do outside and do it as

1014
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: much as I possibly can. Who knows how much I

1015
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: will be able to do right, but I certainly will

1016
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: be damn excited to get there when I can. There

1017
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: are some things that I do that probably, if I'm

1018
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with myself, I probably do them two

1019
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: or three times a year. The most I got the

1020
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: gear I got to do it, I got the stuff

1021
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: in my basement, But I really only will do it

1022
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: once or twice a year. But I don't know. That's

1023
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: still rewarding, that's still fun, and it's better than doing

1024
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: it not at all. In here? Yeah, is there a way?

1025
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: Like I think Steve has done it well, and I

1026
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: think you've done it well in your career. Like the

1027
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: tactic to approach that, like how do you in a

1028
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: world that's increasingly fragmented, And we certainly we have found

1029
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: there's people that are everything you say and do has

1030
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: some negative aspect to it. Um. We just I had

1031
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: Steve on and we did a thing about Game of

1032
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: Thrones and some dude wrote in it's like you had

1033
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: this term wrong and this term you said white walkers.

1034
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: You should have said white like, all right, a good

1035
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: way to know. Um, But that I think in the

1036
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: hunting space, just particularly, we kind of have these um

1037
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of folks that are just tuned

1038
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: into their channel and that's all they listened to and

1039
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: that's all that they know. Is there a way that

1040
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: you approach telling a story in such a way that

1041
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: that brings out him of course, and your desire to

1042
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: kind of inspire people to go and do different things

1043
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: because there's so much to do, um, you know. To me,

1044
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a great story. You can kind of

1045
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: make it universal, right because someone who's either listening to

1046
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: that story or watching or reading it, if they could

1047
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: kind of understand that the people in there and what

1048
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: they're doing and what they're going through and kind of

1049
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: feel it. Um, yeah, okay, maybe that's something that I'm

1050
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: interested in. If you you know, use a word a

1051
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: phrase I use fairly often. It's kind of a surprise

1052
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: and delight people, right, you know, if you want then

1053
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: to be oh, WHOA, I didn't know about that and

1054
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of say it with a smile, right. I think

1055
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: that's the way to get people, um, sort of outside

1056
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: their little zones and just focused on Oh No, this

1057
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: is what I'm into. This is what I want. If

1058
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: you can kind of surprise them and and make them

1059
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: laugh and smile and say, oh man, that's kind of cool,

1060
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: that's the best way to do it. Yeah, I like that.

1061
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Surprise and delight and surprise and delight, he said on

1062
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: My wife tonight. Surprise. I don't know about the delight part.

1063
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: It's definitely a surprise there. Um, we'll move along. I mean,

1064
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: you've spent your now here at meat Eater man, Like,

1065
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: we'll have the opportunity to take all these ideas and

1066
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: you said it on your first like our little editorial

1067
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: meeting that we do, and we'll have a lot of stories,

1068
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: we can tell a lot of directions, we can go.

1069
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: Um we're talking about at lunch. There's many things that

1070
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: we can achieve that we just don't really know. We

1071
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: don't even can't even conceive of today. It's like there's

1072
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: something that is the most like the thing you want

1073
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: to do, the most exciting thing that you maybe couldn't

1074
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: do where you were prior. Like there a something that's

1075
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: a spark that's lit in you that that this company

1076
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: can this group of people can help bring forward. Um, Yeah.

1077
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: I think one thing that is very interesting about Meat

1078
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Eater and this group of people, um has been, has

1079
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: been Steve's ability to reach, particularly through his Netflix show, um,

1080
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: people who are outside these sports. Um. You know, I've

1081
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: I've met more than one person who found out what

1082
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: I do and what I'm into, and they're like, oh,

1083
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: I watched the show Meat Eater and they don't even

1084
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: hunter fish. And I'm sure you guys have heard that. Sure,

1085
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of excited. You know, Look, I'm

1086
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: I want to speak to two sportsmen. But but in

1087
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: this time where we talk a lot about bringing new

1088
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: people into these sports, right, and we've noticed the trend

1089
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: of you know I called adult onset hunting whatever, you know,

1090
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: people who are in their twenties. And I've heard you

1091
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: talk about this. It's like, you know, the more online

1092
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: we are, the more we are glued to our phones,

1093
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: the more people I think are going to be looking

1094
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: for some connection to the outside world. And I think

1095
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing are a beautiful way to do that,

1096
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: very rewarding, uh important and fun. Right. So to have

1097
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: the ability, um, you know, to whether it's to the

1098
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: Netflix show or some other things we do to get

1099
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: some of those people and say, hey, why don't you

1100
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: give this a try? I think that is really exciting. Yeah,

1101
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: we talked about this. Somebody asked us into one of

1102
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: the v I P things, one of the live events,

1103
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: what is your company? Steve has like, we could we create?

1104
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: We said, we create materials for you to take in.

1105
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let me be me. I'll go

1106
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: a little deeper, like, we want to build a bridge

1107
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: between these two things. And the bridge is gonna have

1108
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: to be real long, because there's a wide gap between

1109
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: folks that grew up doing what we do and the

1110
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: way we speak and the way we talk to each other,

1111
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: and having someone that's never that doesn't have that perspective

1112
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: understand what the hell we're even saying yeah most of

1113
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: the time. So to your point, Steve, that's what he's done.

1114
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: He's been able to translate these long ail you know,

1115
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: these and deeply regarded ideologies into something that is entertaining

1116
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: to folks. Yeah, that's exactly right. And we all know,

1117
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, then next step to get someone to actually participate,

1118
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: and we all know how hard it is to get

1119
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: into hunting. Um, it just is, you know, I said,

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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: how I got in my dad. You have typical story.

1121
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: It's like you often need a mentor. It's not easy. Um,

1122
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: but that first step of exposing people to it and

1123
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: having them think, oh, instead of just whatever they imagine

1124
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: in their mind, have that that moment where it clicks,

1125
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: where that's like, hey, that might be something I'm interested in.

1126
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, I've had it in my life personally with friends.

1127
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, guy used to play poker with never hunted

1128
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: City guy, never never hunted, never did anything, but would

1129
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: talk to me. I would bring wild game, you know,

1130
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: Benson diplomacy. Steve says, like to the poker games, and

1131
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: then he starts asking questions and oh, that's so cool

1132
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: and how do you find your way out in the

1133
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: woods and like all this kind of stuff. Um, you

1134
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: know I could do that talking to somebody. We all

1135
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: could do that. But to be able to, you know,

1136
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: have the company be able to do that on a

1137
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: bigger scales kind of um, kind of exciting. But yeah,

1138
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: the the bad part of that story is I never

1139
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 1: took that dude out hunting. I wanted to. We talked

1140
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: about it like yeah, yeah, and then take you out,

1141
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: and um, you know I was busy. I was this

1142
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: I was that and then he got a job somewhere

1143
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: else and he moved and he probably still hasn't hunted

1144
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: and kicking myself, um and vowing to not let that

1145
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: happen again. But you know, I think that's the important

1146
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, I mean, I think we've we've

1147
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: found a lot of value here and meet personally. I mean,

1148
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: I's just think it's my the way I think about

1149
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: things like examining or why. Um, when I first decided

1150
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: to come here and I put out a podcast to

1151
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: explaining what I was doing, it was all about or why,

1152
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: Like why why is it that I desire to connect

1153
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: with people by talking into a microphone with some other person? Like?

1154
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: Why is that important to me? And in articulating that

1155
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: is a difficult thing to do. So can you do

1156
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: you have a y for? You know, you're hunting and

1157
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: fishing life and then why? Like how it has of

1158
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: course you start your career, but then it becomes something

1159
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: else later on once you've had a career and you've

1160
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: got to continue to refresh your why after you've been

1161
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: in it for a while. What's your current answer to

1162
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: that query? Um? Yeah, it's probably not as concise as

1163
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: I should ass. But my why is it's why I

1164
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: do it, and it's it's why I do these sports

1165
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: and or these activities, and it's why I do this

1166
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: is that a deeper connection with the natural world makes

1167
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: my life better. It makes me happier, it makes me

1168
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: a better person, It makes me a better father, it

1169
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: makes me a better husband, it makes me a better person.

1170
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: And it's just, Um, I couldn't imagine life any other

1171
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: way really, And when I'm when I find myself busy,

1172
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: we all get busy with work, life, kids, whatever, and

1173
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm I haven't been outside. Um, you know, I'm grumpy.

1174
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: Either's you know, something's off and I can't quite put

1175
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: my finger on it. And then I'm like, oh, I

1176
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: should you know, I should go hunter, I should fish,

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: or I should just hike her. I just go for

1178
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 1: a walk. And when I do that, all of a sudden,

1179
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm better and I just feel that, Um, so many

1180
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: of us would be better and the earth would be

1181
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: better if if more people have that attitude. Uh, you know, listen,

1182
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: these what we do isn't for everybody, and it shouldn't be, um,

1183
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: but it's for a lot of people and who are

1184
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: doing it. And if they did it more and have

1185
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: that connection to the now intural world. UM, would treat

1186
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: it a little better, would treat the resource better. UM.

1187
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: And I just think it would paid dividends to all

1188
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: this individually and as as people well as you come

1189
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: high high fluting. I didn't mean to sound like that.

1190
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: I wish we were drinking drinking whiskey with you right now. No,

1191
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what happened. There's what happened to me.

1192
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: I start like that, like get the big wide. I'm like, yeah, cool,

1193
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: and then what I have to do for the rest

1194
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: of my life is continued to create analogies. Somehow it

1195
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: caps like what you just said. It's like, oh, the

1196
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: life knife. You know, you go out into the wilderness,

1197
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: you sharpen your knife like you have you have to

1198
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: be self sufficient, and then you go back into your

1199
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: regular nine to five and the knife gets dull. You

1200
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: get dull, you get like, you get mad about being

1201
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: in traffic. You don't appreciate the fact that you had

1202
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: to walk down the hill to get water in the morning,

1203
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: like you're drinking your coffee is too hot, and your

1204
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: piste off. You're like wait, So then you go back

1205
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: out the wilderness, sharpen that knife right back up, come back,

1206
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: and then you appreciate the things that you have. Life

1207
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: gets easier. Hence my life knife, analogy, analogy, life, the

1208
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: life knife, the other ones. I'm gonna go sharper, sharpen

1209
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: my knife, like honey, I'll be back in two weeks

1210
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: to sharpen my soul. I'm gonna sharpen my life knife.

1211
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think that's what you know.

1212
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: That's what kind of where Steve where it has gotten

1213
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: a lot of his more cassier phrases from just taking

1214
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: these things that you know that I know that he knows,

1215
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: UM that everyone else that we've cobbled together here and

1216
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: gathered together as a group, we know it like it's

1217
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: an a It's in our soul. Man, it's the thing

1218
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: that we care about. It is. But it's just being

1219
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: able to take take that, take a moment to explain

1220
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: it and make it relatable, UM, and continually do that

1221
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: in a way that that UM reaches different people a

1222
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: different goals. Yeah. It's like even though we know it,

1223
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: like we can forget it ourselves, and it's same for

1224
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: our audience. They may know it, but they it's just easy.

1225
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: It's just like you know, okay, I'll use an analogy.

1226
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: It's like going to the gym a little bit, right.

1227
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: We all know, we all know it's important feel good

1228
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: when you exercise, but then it's easy to let it slip,

1229
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: you know, And it's it's kind of the same thing

1230
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: with with you know, being outside in the connection to

1231
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: nature and stuff. I feel the same way. Yeah, yeah,

1232
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean you certainly can lose it. I mean, you know,

1233
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about moving out here, and you feel it's

1234
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: not to you know, I had to move Montana for

1235
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: the taxes or like the roads or anything else. I

1236
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: moved it forward. We were talking for her record. I like,

1237
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: I just this weekend, I went turkey hunting and then

1238
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: bear hunting, and I spent the weekend in close proximity

1239
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: to my home doing these things that you used to

1240
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: feel like such far off pursuits, not only far off

1241
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: in distance, but like just in the way that I

1242
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: related to them, like they were like I was always

1243
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: visiting this place and didning my toe in and enjoying

1244
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: the joining the swim, and then going back and and

1245
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 1: cutting the distance between those two things. Man, that's again

1246
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: an even bigger you know, an even bigger thing to do.

1247
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: So I'm sure we've coming to this town for you

1248
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: is similar, I would have been, Yeah, it is. I'm

1249
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to come to this town. I've um,

1250
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I lived. Um, I've been

1251
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: in a New York area for twenty years. And look,

1252
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to people think of New York and

1253
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: New Jersey and they assume it's people there's I mean, look,

1254
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: there's some great striper fishing going on right now in

1255
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: New York right And one of the it was kind

1256
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: of rewarding to me. And as I said, I went

1257
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: back to Pennsylvania all the time to my deer camp,

1258
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: and I traveled to work, so I got out plenty.

1259
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: But it also forced me to to like find opportunities

1260
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: close to home. And then they were there, they're gonna

1261
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: be better here. I'm not gonna lie, they're gonna be

1262
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: better here in but you know, UM to have that

1263
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to look for things close, I think it's important.

1264
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: You know, you said, it's it's just making more integrated

1265
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: in your life. It's not oh this thing I go do,

1266
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: it's part of your life. Yeah, And I think they're

1267
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: there certainly is like we wouldn't when I try to

1268
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: explain hunting to people, you would, I wouldn't make It's

1269
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: not that my soul motivation is hunting, but it certainly

1270
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: is so intertwined with my like general motivations that it's

1271
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: kind of indistinguishable. It's hard to like, my family is

1272
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: there and hunting is there, and they both enriched my

1273
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: life in different ways. And of course I wouldn't give

1274
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: my family up for anything, but I wouldn't give up honey,

1275
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: come at me trying to give me, give it up, Um,

1276
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: I would fight for it and there, And it's it's

1277
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: like I said, you have to try to explain it

1278
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: to people, but you wouldn't do that if it wasn't

1279
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: enriching your life. You wouldn't dive into that so deeply

1280
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: if it didn't enrich your life and the ways that

1281
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: we've explained, so, I think it just in a base

1282
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: of your action, like you're saying that, but then to

1283
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: take it to the next level to side as a career,

1284
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: you're going to direct communication around that thing, right. I

1285
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: found to be all right, I mean I don't really

1286
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: like this stuff. It's just a job. That's what I say,

1287
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: when you know I'm out somewhere with buddy and doing

1288
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: something for Argentina. We're not doing this because it's fun.

1289
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: This is work. Yeah, I mean you you know, I

1290
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: lived on the East Coast and you have to And

1291
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: I enjoy what you're saying about just the localized way

1292
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: of thinking about because it's the most intimate way thinking about.

1293
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: I had Hal Harring going and he said, it's like

1294
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: speaking a language, like speaking the language of a place. Yes,

1295
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: that's sucking. Now I love it. He's a word master.

1296
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, No, I could just like drink his

1297
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: pros man it and so as he says, like learning

1298
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: being to speak talk back to the land, like the

1299
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: land is talking to you. It's telling you a story.

1300
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: And a lot of times you hire somebody else to

1301
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: translate that for you. That's an outfit or a guy.

1302
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: But if you're able to live in a place that

1303
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: you truly have the opportunity in the access to go

1304
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: out and you can learn to speak its language and

1305
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: then teach that language to your children and teach that

1306
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: language to their children. Dude, I'm done. I'm good. I've

1307
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: lived my life. I'm happy. That exactly that's a great

1308
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: way to say. It's like, you know, you could go

1309
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: deep on a place or a location or something, the

1310
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: most interesting things you could if you focus on them

1311
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: and go deep on them. You know you're never gonna

1312
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: get it all. There's always more to learn, but you do,

1313
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: you get that kind of proficiency, you know, that that

1314
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: language where you Okay, I see what's going on here

1315
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: with this land, and you can see how it's being used,

1316
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: and you can see how things are changing. Um, And

1317
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: it's just very rewarding when those pieces come together a

1318
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, I'm in English as a second

1319
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: language right now a lot of places in the world,

1320
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: right Um. But that does that lead to you? It

1321
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: has to me at least to to lead to like

1322
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: want to have roots in a place so I can

1323
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: have that language, Like you want to come You're asking

1324
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: me at the wrong time, Like you just just move,

1325
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: just picked your roots up. I was rooted for twenty

1326
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: years and I'm very stoked to be um to have

1327
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: no home right now, Like our our stories are not

1328
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: so dissimilar, and that I lived in Maryland till I

1329
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: was twenty two, and then moved around a while and

1330
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: then came here and hopefully this last whatever. You never know,

1331
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: but it is. It's something that my wife asked me, like,

1332
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: what's the most exciting things like, because I have the

1333
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to, like, in my mind's eye, set roots here. Yeah,

1334
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: and my guy like me, this is way melodramatic and

1335
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: it's what I'm gonna sound like a douche, but I

1336
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: say a lot of these things anyway. It's like I

1337
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: feel like a little bit like a pioneer man, like

1338
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,919
Speaker 1: for my family, from my people, the O'Brien's of Maryland,

1339
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: and it is a little bit of a pioneer situations

1340
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: in Maryland going west. Um, it feels like that to me.

1341
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't was overstating it, but that's what it is.

1342
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Now. I feel I feel very

1343
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: excited to kind of build a life here and go

1344
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: to a new place and figure out what it's all about,

1345
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: especially a place that I know, like, as I said,

1346
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: you could spend a lifetime kind of getting to know Yeah,

1347
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: for sure here and the wease you're as I am,

1348
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: a lover of public lands and like that, that's kind

1349
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: of the becomes the conduit for that exploration, that learning

1350
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: of language. And it's so much easier when you have

1351
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: it's there for you and yes, it's it's my dad

1352
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: is coming to hunt bears here in a couple of

1353
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: weeks and he just you know, and talking to him,

1354
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: I just I was, I wanted to explain to him,

1355
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: like how free you are to traverse this terrain to

1356
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: go find the animal and it's just kind of yours

1357
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: to go and do as long as you follow the

1358
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: old rules. Um. And I I think it's hard for

1359
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: him to understand it, you know, absolutely. I think if

1360
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 1: you bring your your family from Pennsylvania and try to

1361
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: introduce something what this really is, it's hard to it's

1362
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: hard to understand. Yeah, it's harder to how to act

1363
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, but you have to. You have

1364
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: two a little once I do. I have a son

1365
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,480
Speaker 1: who is eleven and a daughter who's seven. And what, um,

1366
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: you're bringing him out here? Like what's your less? That

1367
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: less the moving out here, but just in general when

1368
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: you're you know, raising these kids, like what is your

1369
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: philosophy on getting them to you know, I've got a

1370
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: two year old, so ask for advice, but like, how

1371
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: do you how do you get them to love the

1372
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: outdoors without just having them follow you. Um my simple

1373
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: trick has just been to keep it fun right, not

1374
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: what I still got a ways to go. But um,

1375
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: my kids are they like the outdoors. They love to fish.

1376
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: My son's been tagging along on hunts with me. He

1377
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: hasn't hunted yet himself, but he will soon. Um. And

1378
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: I've taken him some cool places. But I also just

1379
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: I just took them outside frequently all the time. Um,

1380
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: even just like I go to a little nature area

1381
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: right by the house. I mean this place is maybe

1382
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: a hundred acres, it's nothing special, but I just take

1383
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: him there, you know, go for a couple of hours

1384
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: and and keep it fun. Man. I would just always

1385
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: brought lots of snacks, hot chocolate his key, I showed, uh,

1386
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: you know. I tried to give little nature lessons and

1387
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: tracking and different things and not not be too much

1388
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: of a boring old dad about it. One time I

1389
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: was I was showing to make corns and talking about

1390
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: nuts and seeds, and my son said, Dad, can you

1391
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: stop talking about nuts? Now? It's like okay, but but uh,

1392
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: at one point I showed him when he was younger,

1393
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: like I pulled apart of rotten log and showed him

1394
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: like the grubs and insects and ants and stuff inside

1395
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: and told him how bears, you know, I like to

1396
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: do that. So then every time you saw a rotten log,

1397
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: he wanted to pull it apart, and I let him.

1398
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I would stand there for twenty minutes while

1399
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: he kicked out a rotten log and I wanted to go,

1400
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: but he's having a good time, and so like I've

1401
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: just always tried to just to show him that outdoors

1402
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: is a place that they could have fun, they could

1403
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: kind of be free. I let him climb stuff that

1404
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: maybe you know, at school they wouldn't let him climb,

1405
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: or maybe more responsible adult wouldn't let him do it.

1406
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: But I make sure they're safe, but I let him,

1407
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: like experience a little bit of that risk. I like

1408
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: them lead the hike. That's a great philosophy. Kick the log. Yeah,

1409
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: let him kick the log exactly back. Oh my god,

1410
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: let's go. But he's having a ball, so it just

1411
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: let him do it, and yeah, let him lead. And

1412
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: even when they were going in the wrong direction, and

1413
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: let him go for a while and be like, don't

1414
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: you mean to go this way? Take a left? Well,

1415
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, is that's something I don't think we've talked

1416
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: enough about, not even as fathers, but just in general.

1417
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: Is it how much different than you know, bringing a

1418
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: little girl into that than is bringing a little boy

1419
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: into that? Like what have you experience with those in

1420
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: like similar proximities. I haven't noticed any different there any

1421
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: difference yet. Um, And might just be my my daughter.

1422
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: She's she's kind of into everything, like whatever you're doing,

1423
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I want to do that. So she's

1424
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of hard charging type. UM. So she's been really

1425
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: as interested as my son. I really haven't noticed much difference.

1426
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: The thing I've noticed is that, you know, he's eleven

1427
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: and she's seven, and sometimes I would take him out

1428
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: and not her because she was a little too young

1429
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: for what we were doing. And then she she wants

1430
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 1: to go with just me on her on her own too,

1431
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, and so I would do that and take

1432
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: her out. That was a lesson to me. I didn't realize.

1433
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, when you're older you could, well,

1434
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: I'll take you to do with this. But it was

1435
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: more of the point of I was with all of

1436
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: her alone, and she wanted some of that time. So

1437
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of tried to make sure I give

1438
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: them both that I take him out together all the time.

1439
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: But you know a little bit of one on one time.

1440
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 1: I hear that a lot. Hear that from be honest,

1441
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: So you're that from Steve A good bits like to

1442
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: get that one on one time. It's like once there's

1443
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: competition for that time. It's so damn it is so

1444
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: damn specially to have the one on one time. And um,

1445
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: I mean I I go back to that you're the

1446
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: parents philosophy, like let him kick the log, let him see.

1447
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: And I watched my dad doing that with my son,

1448
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: like takes him out of the backyard. Something I didn't

1449
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I just didn't innately do

1450
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: like here's this type of tree, pull the bark off,

1451
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: check it out. Here's the type of grass. Look at

1452
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: this bug right here. Check this out. And explaining it.

1453
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: He was doing it. My dad was doing it with

1454
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: a dinosaur diorama at the museum. He's like, look at

1455
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: this fish, and I'm just like, dude, look at the

1456
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: look at the t rex. Uh. And it's definitely something

1457
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: to learn, Like the my new show of that stuff

1458
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: can really draw these kids in. I mean one of

1459
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: the best days my son ever had. We're catching um

1460
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: salamanders and newts and stuff in the spring. You know,

1461
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: got a little net in the bucket, let him collect

1462
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them, poured him out at the

1463
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: end of the day. I let him go, But I

1464
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: mean he talked about that for years. Yeah, little thing

1465
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: like I would have been like, oh, yeah, look see

1466
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: and then keep going. But by letting him like turn

1467
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: it into a venture, letting oh, you caught another one.

1468
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he just went a long way one day

1469
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: catching lizards. Went a long way, as a as tends

1470
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: to do. UM. I would talk a little about conservation

1471
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: because it's a word that we use a lot. We tendn'

1472
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: to use that in every other sentence. Um. It's an

1473
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: interesting that you try to dissect what conservation means a

1474
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: different people kind of what how through a prism in

1475
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: which you view conservation, how would you describe like your

1476
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: like your priorities when it comes to wildlife conservation and

1477
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: you know, habitat and those types of things that are

1478
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: do you have a tracking philosophy or the way you

1479
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: look at our issues that we need to face and

1480
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: some of the successes we've had Um, yeah, that's a

1481
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: really good question. Huh, that's that's my favor My last podcast,

1482
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: we had to prepare professors from ever Spontana and every

1483
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: time I asked a question a great question. Well, I

1484
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: mean it's something I think about a lot, obviously because

1485
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: it's my whole career. I've been very focused on that.

1486
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: And it's a bit of a challenge, as you know,

1487
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: for for for people like us when we're talking about

1488
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: that with with everyday sports and in the media we do. Man,

1489
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: it just could be such a bummer, right, could just

1490
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: turn people off. It sounds like broccoli, it's it's right. So, um,

1491
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: you know, I always try to focus on like what's

1492
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: so great that we have and why we should protect it?

1493
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, to get back to your

1494
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: original question, I mean, I just go back and look

1495
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,520
Speaker 1: at kind of our forefathers, right, you know, Teddy Roosevelt

1496
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: and all the people who set up the North American

1497
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: model of wildlife conservation, right, the idea that the wildlife

1498
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: belongs to the people, that it's held in public trust

1499
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: for all of us to enjoy, and the same with

1500
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: public lands, and that you don't have to have money,

1501
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be rich. Um, if when

1502
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: I go back and I think about that and realize

1503
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: how what a gift that is, how special and how rare,

1504
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: and then the next step is, well, geez, how easily

1505
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: that is to screw that up? Right? How a little

1506
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: bit of inattention can can funk that up for a

1507
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: long time to come. And so, you know, to me,

1508
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: it's like that's that's kind of the focus and the

1509
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: driving thing. We're so lucky here in America for so

1510
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: many reasons, and but to me, that's right up there

1511
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 1: that any of us could go out in these public

1512
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: lands and hunt and fish and have this great time,

1513
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: and man, that's got to stay or else this isn't

1514
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: America anymore. So I kind of look at it that way, right,

1515
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the broad overview. And then when

1516
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: you when you dive in. Yeah, man, there's compromises between

1517
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, resource extraction and recreational use. And I just

1518
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: think that stuff is easy to figure out. I mean,

1519
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: it's not because everybody's got a h an agenda and

1520
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: they don't agree. But for a reasonable person, you know,

1521
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: we can we could compromise. We can make that work

1522
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: and be sensible. But all going back to the fact

1523
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: that this is something special that could be squandered or

1524
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: lost for short term gain. Well, and you could say,

1525
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you've travel the world as a hunter and

1526
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: going to many places for your job and otherwise, you've

1527
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: met many influential people, many senators, many presidents of that nature.

1528
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Um And so I think it's just important to make

1529
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: mention of that to color your perspective. It's like you have,

1530
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: you have talked to very many influential people, You've examined

1531
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: it on a professional level, and you put out a

1532
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of content around these things. Um and so as

1533
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: you you know, adding that perspective to our greater granter stect.

1534
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: I here's important to me that folks know that. Yeah,

1535
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, first of all, I've I have

1536
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: traveled around the world and hunted places and where you

1537
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: don't the citizen read doesn't get to do what we

1538
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: do here. You know, you gotta be rich, you gotta

1539
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: have money, you gotta be connected. Um Man, that's just

1540
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: such a bummer and so on American to me that

1541
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with that. And I

1542
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: think most Americans would agree. And and to your your

1543
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: point about Um, you know, I have interviewed presidents and

1544
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: senators and met with them, and um, you know, I

1545
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: think something that a lot of sportsmen don't understand is

1546
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: they think, oh, man, I nobody cares or you know,

1547
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: our voice doesn't matter. It's all all corrupt anyway, it's

1548
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: all bought and sold. Well there's you know, sure, there's

1549
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: a lot of that, but politicians like to get elected.

1550
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: They like to be in office, and our your voice

1551
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: and your vote really does matter. I've been very surprised

1552
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: in my career. You know, why have I sat down

1553
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: with presidential candidates and the vice president and and senators

1554
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: is because I'm so great. No, they don't care about me.

1555
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: You don't give a ship. What they care about is

1556
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: my audience, millions of hunters and fishermen out there, right,

1557
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's a powerful power, powerful constitu Yes, thank you,

1558
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: thank you man. It's very powerful, right. And they I

1559
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: think most politicians, well a lot of politicians put it

1560
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: this way. They recognize that that's something special about America,

1561
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: and they recognize that people see that that's something special

1562
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: and they want to keep that. They do. They all

1563
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: have their their their jen is and what they're going

1564
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: for but if you raise your voice, it matters. You know.

1565
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I say this all the time because I've heard over

1566
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: and over from politicians like when you call one of

1567
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: their offices that matters, like that gets their attention. And

1568
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I've seen it in my career where we, you know,

1569
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: raising the alarm about an issue, we got some people

1570
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: to call. And I've heard directly from people in Congress

1571
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: and in the White House who have said that is

1572
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: what made the difference, you know what. You know they're

1573
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: they're saying to me, like, we did it, but we

1574
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: didn't do it. We just told sportsman to call and

1575
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: they did it. Yeah. And I found it to be

1576
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: quite a responsibility and one that I feel. I'm a

1577
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: young man. I've screwed it up in the past, I'll

1578
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,919
Speaker 1: probably screwed up in the future. It's like the ability

1579
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: to to be to have responsibility to go dive into

1580
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: these issues and to to translate them in such a

1581
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: way that gets people passionate about things that are important. Um,

1582
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: it's tough. We talk about in our editory means all

1583
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,480
Speaker 1: the time, like we have these confirmation biases in our room. Internally,

1584
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: as we said, it's we're mostly a bunch of white

1585
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: dudes of beards, like this is what we are and

1586
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: but we you know, and we all come from Like

1587
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: adding your perspective is huge, not only quilting professionally, Like

1588
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: where you're from and your life experiences will color a

1589
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: lot of times when we're like, you know, here here

1590
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: three people that live in Montana talking about gun rights.

1591
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: They don't talk about it like people that live in

1592
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: New Jersey or live in Connecticut or might live in Illinois. Um.

1593
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: And so that's what you know, for for folks who

1594
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: want to, like I really want to pull back the

1595
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: curtain and see you behind the thing that we're doing

1596
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: over here. Like that's the thing that we're trying to

1597
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: do is get together enough perspectives where we can give

1598
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: you not only why you know beatle kill is bad

1599
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: for elk, but why you know timber cutting in North

1600
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Carolina is bad for squirrels. White. Whatever's trying to like

1601
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: paint a broader picture, which um, I think you've been

1602
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: able to be a part of in your past. But

1603
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: it's it's an incredibly hard thing to do. It is

1604
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: it is, and you know, everybody has the things that

1605
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: are interested in but it's, um, it's it's not that

1606
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: hard to kind of keep up on the key issues.

1607
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not an all or nothing thing

1608
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: for a for a regular a man or woman who's

1609
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: uh hunter and wants to be involved in conservation. It's

1610
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: not like, oh man, you got to know all this

1611
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: stuff and you have to be involved in all these organizations.

1612
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: That's great you do, but and you could do that,

1613
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: but you don't have to. You could just be just

1614
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: keep up, up, on off on it. Let your voice

1615
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: be heard when there's a comment period. Um, you know,

1616
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: speak up and talk to people. It's it's you don't

1617
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: have to make it your life. It's just, you know,

1618
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: just a little bit of knowledge goes a long way. Well,

1619
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: speaking of that, we're gonna just do some questions. I'm

1620
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna ask you some very important questions, very qualifying questions

1621
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 1: about this. Will this will go show a lot about

1622
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: what the audience might think of you, no pressure. A

1623
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of this will be judging against what I personally

1624
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: feel or maybe even me your brain. Uh, and it's

1625
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna be it's it's it's the hot seat. I mean,

1626
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: it's not gonna lie. It's hot seat you're in right now.

1627
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm sweating it's fire. Um okay, first one is do

1628
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: you like peas? I do like peas. Fucking peas, man,

1629
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: pease are terrible. If you're just like having a canopies, yes, sure,

1630
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: well yeah, of course a canopies, but like you know,

1631
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: fresh peas this time of year. Oh, I call him

1632
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the devil's balls. They're little bombs of just they ruined.

1633
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: You can put like you can have like a bite

1634
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: of ice creams, like your favorite ice cream. You put

1635
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: one p in their fucking room. You've never had ice cream? No,

1636
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: you know what. I figured this out because I'll be

1637
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: eating Shepherd's pie and I love Shepherd's pie, and I'll

1638
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: be like eating and be like, what's that weird taste

1639
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: that's ruining the rest of my Shepherd's pie? Well, it's

1640
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: a fucking peer. Do Does it bother you that meat

1641
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: eater here is located in the complex of a former

1642
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: pea can ray, Yes it does. I've spoken out about this.

1643
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: No one seems to want to listen to me. Our

1644
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: CEO like, no, we're not gonna move our offices because

1645
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: you hate peas, Like, well, I thought i'd get a shot. Well,

1646
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna agree to disagree there, Ben, but I think

1647
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: you're wrong. You got any like like you almost stop

1648
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: for peas. Man, It's fine. This is a you know,

1649
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: this is a debate we have to have. It's one

1650
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: of the key debates, uh in our editorial office. It's

1651
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: like his harps good for the country. Have you ever

1652
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: you probably have never even tried the English dish mushy peas?

1653
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Have you? Nope? Never? Yeah, next time you get fish

1654
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: and chips, Uh, put in a proper English shop, get

1655
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: the mushy peas. What do they do? Just mush peas? Yeah?

1656
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: I think they put like they just mush them and

1657
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: put like butter in them. I mean put some butter

1658
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: and it's not so bad. But like four parts butter,

1659
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: one part p be into there. Okay, mission peas. We'll

1660
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: try that, all right. So that didn't go so well

1661
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: for you know, that was a demerit um in a

1662
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 1: while away. I'm talking to my boss right now. So

1663
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: it's Scott, it's not going good. Good do you do you?

1664
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: Or have you ever watched the show The Bachelor or

1665
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: the Bachelor? No? Never for principals sake or just not

1666
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: uh just not interested? No? No reality television? Um, I

1667
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: watched some of the cooking shows. I'm a top chef

1668
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: personal I like that. Um, but no that you know, Hey, listen,

1669
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm not too much of a snob to say enjoy

1670
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: some trashy TV. But The Bachelor is one that I've

1671
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 1: never watched. Yeah, I can't. I can't say I watched

1672
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: a lot. But I did watch with Cameron Haynes recently,

1673
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: and uh, they really got me. Like I was caring

1674
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: about those kids, Colt and Cassie. They belonged together, dude,

1675
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: they they need to be together forever, alright. So nothing

1676
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: nothing there? What about Game of Thrones? You like that show?

1677
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm with Steve Ronella on that one. I watched? Ever

1678
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 1: watched the Game of Throne? I haven't. I know. I'm

1679
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: not going good, is going very poorly. I'm about to

1680
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: start watching Game of Thrones, sorry, because I'm like, I

1681
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: didn't have HBO I got. I could watch it now

1682
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 1: and one of my streaming things, but like, I don't know,

1683
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the commitment sometimes gets to me. It's a it's a

1684
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: mere eighty hour. Like you're moving, you don't got a

1685
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: lot going on, your family across the country, you got

1686
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: a new job to take your free time, and you

1687
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: go on the thrones two hours a day for for

1688
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: what's that forty days a month and a half, and

1689
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you're through it. I did that with Breaking Bad. I

1690
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: never watched that, and I finally got sick of being

1691
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: told how like out of it I was. And it

1692
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: was great. It was awesome. You'll like, do you like dragons? Uh,

1693
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm in different to dragons. Different to dragons me to

1694
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: me like a real dragon feelings, Um, other than the

1695
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: dragon tattoo I have on my back of course, full

1696
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: it's full back to tire back. But everybody from New Jersey.

1697
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: That's a secret that no one knows. Everyone from New

1698
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: Jerseys full back tattoos, full dragon tattoos. All right, Um,

1699
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: that's fine, all that, it's fine. Yeah, it's not going well,

1700
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: it's not it's not going great. Um turkey hunting. Would

1701
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: you wear a vest or would you wear a pack? Oh?

1702
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I wear a vest? Okay, now we're getting yeah, I'm

1703
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: old school. People out here in the West are like,

1704
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you finally got an East Coast from the show.

1705
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: Feel like we wear a pack? No faster way better

1706
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: where you carry your box call? And then they say,

1707
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: we don't carry box calls and I say, fuck you. Yeah,

1708
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: that's your mistake number one, because that have you ever

1709
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: tried to call? It's so easy? Yeah, box calls are awesome. Um. Yes,

1710
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: they sound so much like a hen compared to anything else.

1711
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I feel like their hands down best sounding calls. Yeah, vess,

1712
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I got one. It's got the little seat flips out,

1713
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: flips a seat out. Yeah. I mean what else do

1714
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: you want? Nothing? Yeah? Nothing good? The back there. I

1715
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: finally come over. We put our vest when we watch

1716
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 1: gar threads, put our seats down. We'll sit on thess all.

1717
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: It's all gonna smooth out for us. Now, do you

1718
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: have There's a lot of people I will say things

1719
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: like I'm an archery only guy, all this bullshit. Do

1720
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: you have anything like I'm gonna only this like an

1721
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: archery only Do you have any any sensibilities to be

1722
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,759
Speaker 1: only a thing? No? I'm uh. I kind of alluded

1723
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,839
Speaker 1: to it earlier in the interview. I'm kind of a generalist.

1724
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I like to do everything. Man. I love to bow hunt, um,

1725
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: but I don't know how without a rifle. I kind

1726
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: of do it all. I know, this is um the

1727
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: hunting collective, not the fishing collective, like I tried to

1728
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 1: sneak that in there. But um, I fish all types,

1729
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: all all kinds of methods as well, and love fishing

1730
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: of all of all kinds. But when I fish for trout,

1731
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 1: I pretty much exclusively fly fish. Um, that would probably

1732
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: be my only only And these days I find myself

1733
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,879
Speaker 1: fly fishing more and more and more, no matter what species.

1734
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: You feel like that's the craft of it or is it?

1735
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, it's sometimes a lot of

1736
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,839
Speaker 1: times it's a better way to catch fish. Not always,

1737
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, but a lot of situations it will out

1738
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: fish what I'm doing with a spinning rod. And yeah,

1739
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 1: I just like, I just like the craft of it.

1740
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: I like to cast I like, um, it's it's something

1741
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,799
Speaker 1: that certainly I do more and more of and probably

1742
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: less and less conventional. Well, this is what's gonna get

1743
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: real hairy right here. This next thing is coming at

1744
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: you with if you can spend the rest of your

1745
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: life fishing or the rest of your life hunting, you

1746
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: can only pick the one thing to do. This is

1747
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: because this is what I will say, because most people

1748
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: that come to the live shows ask this type of ship.

1749
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: They're like, if you can only eat one gave me.

1750
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to get repaired for this question

1751
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: of only fishing, and you're gonna piss the audience either way.

1752
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm setting a trap for you. I've been asked this

1753
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: question before. It's like saying, um, you know, if you

1754
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: can only have mountains or rivers, which would you have? Well,

1755
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: ship man, they go hand in hand. It's right, and

1756
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I feel it's the same way. Butts, I'll play Oh,

1757
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna end at that, like that's

1758
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: a good answer. I was gonna give you. I was

1759
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna let you out of the out of the trap.

1760
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: I would say hunting, thank god, Yeah, yeah, hunting. It's

1761
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: probably no question. I I love to fish, but I'd

1762
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: probably like to hunt a little more, something a little deeper.

1763
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: And certainly the food is a big part of that.

1764
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: Being able to feed my family and fill my freezer,

1765
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: um is a big part of that. And so I

1766
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: would say hunting, Okay, then we're gonna do too quick.

1767
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Good by the way, that's we're really good. This is

1768
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: a very confusing. This doesn't go well. Do I not

1769
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: even really set up my desk here? Do I just

1770
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: turn around? You fire me? This works it's very nerve

1771
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: wracking for me. Um, let's see what else are gonna go.

1772
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: We'll do a couple of like ethical things that I

1773
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: think they're fun to talk about, Um, cashing release, because

1774
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: because we have to, we'll go back for the fishing folks.

1775
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Do you have a feeling on you know, I'm not

1776
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: as much of a fisherman, obviously, I have this weird

1777
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: relationship with catching release. I grew up eating smoked trout.

1778
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I love to eat trout. A lot of people, you know,

1779
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: probsibly like talk about and preach about catching in the

1780
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: fishing candy. Do you have a general opinion about the

1781
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: ethics and the efficacy of catching release when it comes

1782
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: to fly fishing. Yeah, I'm a little confused by all

1783
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden all the like catching release backlash. Right, Okay,

1784
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: there's but I've been picking up on it a lot

1785
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: more place. Yeah. You guys, um, you know you're playing

1786
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: with your food or whatever. I mean, give me a break.

1787
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: I don't overthink it, right, Like, I got no problem

1788
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,520
Speaker 1: killing some fish, you know. I don't like a catching

1789
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: release snob who makes somebody feel like a bummer because

1790
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna kill fish and eat it. Um. You know,

1791
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: going back to kids, my son, I's trying to teach

1792
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,600
Speaker 1: him a little bit about catching release. No, man, he

1793
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: wants that sucker in the pan, So I'm bomping him

1794
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: on the head. And that's just fine, right. I think

1795
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: that's it's important is to eat fish. But so if

1796
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I want to catch a trout and let it go,

1797
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 1: what's the problem here? Man? Yeah? Your face? Yeah, I

1798
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: mean like that's Ronella has been saying that. I don't say.

1799
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's any issue, especially if

1800
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,839
Speaker 1: you're handling the fish right. You know you're not harming

1801
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 1: the resource. Back East, I fish a lot on the

1802
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: Upper Delaware River for trout, Terrific tail water, Great River

1803
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: all wild fish, um. And you know in the summer

1804
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: could get a little hot and the water can get

1805
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: a little warm. If they're not doing the right releases,

1806
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: well that's will stress the trout for catching release. So

1807
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't fish. I do something else that day. But

1808
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: if the water conditions are great and I can catch

1809
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: a trout and release it, and it's just fine. If

1810
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: you think I'm playing with my food, will tough break.

1811
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: I like to play with I'm not gonna come back

1812
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: at you for that tough break. Finally we got to

1813
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: the true Lakato. It's coming at you hard people. He's

1814
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: catching release in all days. Nothing you to do about it, Okay, Um,

1815
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: gripping grins, what do you feel about them? Um? I mean, hey, look,

1816
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: you're happy, you're happy, and and here's this wonderful animal. Um.

1817
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: I think there's nothing wrong with him. I think in

1818
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: the day now and social media, we do recognizing that

1819
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: your gripping grand is not something you're just showing your

1820
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: buddy or hanging on the corkboard at the tackle shop.

1821
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: That it's something that could go viral, as they say,

1822
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: and you just put it on your Facebook. All these

1823
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: people are saying it, So I think hunters need to

1824
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: be a little smarter about it. M h. You know,

1825
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: nothing disrespectful, but you shouldn't do that anyway. But just

1826
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,679
Speaker 1: if you're conscious of that, then I don't think there's

1827
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: anything wrong that you're happy you got too handsful of antlers,

1828
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I I hate I hate the topic

1829
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 1: now because I had an opinion on it at some

1830
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: point and it's like my opinion throughout my life has changed.

1831
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: On the group and grinds like I've that's I grew up.

1832
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: That's what it was. And recently I will admit this

1833
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: will be for folks that listen to this regularly, because

1834
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 1: like a kind of a revelation, I quit doing r

1835
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 1: grins just to kind of like test it out, and

1836
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: so I felt like, do I need this? I don't

1837
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: need this. I've said publicly, I don't think I need that.

1838
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 1: If I could just give that up to erase any

1839
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: chance of someone picking it up and using it for

1840
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: something that's not intended to use for, I feel like

1841
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: that's in that positive now I haven't done it, been

1842
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: doing them and sharing them around and stuff. I miss it, yeah, right,

1843
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 1: this would like this would be the thing that everybody

1844
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: clips on from this this episode. But I miss it,

1845
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 1: like I miss like I got two turkeys this year

1846
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't do the full fan thing. Yeah, And

1847
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: I look back and all my other friends and that

1848
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: they look so happy behind this, Alright, I fucking miss that. Yeah,

1849
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: And you don't have that, and it's like, uh um,

1850
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: it's almost like the first day school photo. Everybody's on

1851
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: the porch or from front the front door or whatever

1852
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: and their new clothes and kind of stage. But it's

1853
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 1: one of those like life things like here's this turkey

1854
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I killed and wherever. I think it's more of an

1855
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 1: issue for guys like us who are in the media

1856
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: for the reasons we talked about it, about it spreading,

1857
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 1: but also like you know, we're just us be telling

1858
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 1: the whole story, and it's easily reduced to like here

1859
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: I am home in this dead credit. Well that's It's like,

1860
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I still believe. I still believe very strongly that it

1861
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: does take away because we say, well, as long as

1862
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: you tell the whole story or or make sure the

1863
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 1: whole experiences is evident, that's fine. But human nature says

1864
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: that people are going to they're going to find their

1865
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: way to that grip and grant, and that's what it's

1866
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 1: going to be about. That's all. I still believe all that.

1867
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: I still believe there is this like it kind of

1868
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: hijacks the narrative in a way just because culturally where

1869
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 1: it sits. I still believe that. I still believe very

1870
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: strongly that's the case. And like not having it is

1871
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: I feel like helps me focus on the food, help

1872
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: me focus, at least in my outward communication, focus on

1873
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: the food, focus on the calling focus on if I'm

1874
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: what am I wearing a vest? And I eat and

1875
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: pas like all those important things. Well, like, it's helped

1876
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: me not have to have people gather around and congratulate

1877
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: me for shooting a turkey, but they could gather around

1878
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and say, like, great recipe. So it's helped me. But

1879
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 1: I will be honest that I miss it. Yeah, and

1880
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: and that's helped you. But that's you. Like the average

1881
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: guy you need to tell a story, needs to tell

1882
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: the whole story. He went out and and killed the

1883
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 1: biggest buck of his life, and he wants to show

1884
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: his friends. That's the story. Man, he could tell the

1885
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 1: rest of it over beer and and all the hardship

1886
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 1: that went into it. Your dad is your dad. My

1887
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,799
Speaker 1: dad's kind of the same thing. My dad never traveled

1888
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: outside of Maryland until I I started doing. He's like, oh,

1889
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: look at that um that they would have never been

1890
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 1: if I would have brought that up with my dad

1891
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: or somebody in that generation. Lunched me write the nose

1892
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: like you're overthinking a little Like right in the nose,

1893
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: that's what I would have gotten. But here we are,

1894
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, like dancing around this thing, dancing around this

1895
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 1: like it's on fire. Um, and I like, this is

1896
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: an admission. It's hard for me, said, as I missed

1897
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: the group of friend so I'm probably gonna have to

1898
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: do some big mayl. But around where I said, like,

1899
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,440
Speaker 1: you know what I was saying about that, Um, but yeah,

1900
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm there. And I met with a group of college

1901
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: kids the US versus Montana a couple of weeks ago,

1902
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: and to hear them talk about grip and grins, or

1903
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: talk about catching release, or just just generally hear how

1904
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,440
Speaker 1: they talked about hunting. They started using words like sustainability

1905
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: and all these keywords that really like warmed my heart.

1906
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: And I realized that because these conversations are being had

1907
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: out in the open and they'll be able to listen

1908
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: to people talk through the good and the bad of

1909
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: these things, there, I feel better equipped to come up

1910
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 1: with the right answer to to the questions that their

1911
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: generation and my generation has to answer because we can't

1912
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: just walk into a room. You certainly can't walk to

1913
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: the room in New Jersey in most places, or New

1914
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 1: York City and go I love to kill animals and

1915
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: not have to explain that away. Um So anyway, gripp

1916
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: and grands maybe back on the table for me. I

1917
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: don't a little bit nervous about that. This is good.

1918
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: We'll have to delete this whole podcast now that. Um

1919
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,560
Speaker 1: all right, you got any questions for me, anything that

1920
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 1: you want to ask me? Um, you know, maybe my favorite,

1921
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: other favorite vegetables, things of that. So what do you

1922
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: mean favorite vegetable? Well, I don't. I wouldn't say any

1923
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say I'm

1924
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: loving it. Um, I think my favorite vegetable it's called

1925
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: the flower. Oh yeah, you hate? I like cauliflower. I

1926
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: like it. I like it fried, fried up, mash it up,

1927
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: no like like um you batter it not not not

1928
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: batter like heavy better like bread it right like bread trumps.

1929
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 1: And I'm only just recently come into this love of

1930
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: caulifier because my wife does, like like mashes it up

1931
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: and she'll mash it up and then put it on

1932
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:45,719
Speaker 1: top of like a shepherd's pie. You are a hipster,

1933
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 1: my hipster? Yes, like mash cauliflowers like? Is that the

1934
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: most HIPing? Fine? Let's go the skinny jeans fit where alright? Anything?

1935
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: Um up? Yeah? What what's been kind of your biggest

1936
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: surprise about um working here at meat Eater and the

1937
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: meteor community or yeah, I mean I think it is.

1938
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: It's easy to say that you see a diversity in

1939
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: the audience, Like it's super easy to look at the numbers,

1940
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 1: look at the feedback. But one thing the most rewarding

1941
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: professional thing I've ever done, It's not even close. Sorry

1942
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: all my other professional experiences, but like is going to

1943
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 1: the live podcast. I mean, we've done Texas and and

1944
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: we've done Washington State, We've done California, We've done all

1945
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 1: these places. Um is seeing these people face to face

1946
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: and in all these different places. And somebody asked me, like,

1947
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? It means that I

1948
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:49,719
Speaker 1: was able to see like the physical manifestation of what

1949
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: this means to people and not just a certain type

1950
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 1: of people. Because we certainly have talked about I've said

1951
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: this publicly on this show, and I'll continue to say it.

1952
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I think my I think my demographic is like thirty

1953
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 1: four mail Like that's so that's in my head how

1954
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: I think about it. What I'm talking to You go

1955
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: to these live podcasts and you see the power of

1956
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Steve Rinella and Calahan and Johannas and people that have

1957
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: like cultivated and manifested this thing before I even wanted

1958
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. It's fifty five six

1959
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,560
Speaker 1: year old married couples. The husband is a wildlife biologists

1960
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 1: have been studying wildlife for forty years. He's interested in

1961
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: the content. The next person in line is a twenty

1962
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: five year old couple where the husband listens and he's

1963
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 1: hunted his first time last week, and the wife is like,

1964
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: doesn't even know where she is, Like you, we've got

1965
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: a bachelorette party that comes and hangs out. You got

1966
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,639
Speaker 1: like you just see the cross section of of this thing,

1967
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: and then you see how that the through line of

1968
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing kind of connects all these people. You

1969
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,680
Speaker 1: see it in a real way, like it is more

1970
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 1: that to me has been more powerful than anything you

1971
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: could any numbers, any written content, any thing. Like just

1972
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 1: seeing those people is important. It is important to me,

1973
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: is anything I've I've done. And it puts in concretia

1974
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: the fact that this, this is reaching other people. And

1975
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't want to seem

1976
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: like we're patting ourselves on the back of that way,

1977
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's put in like the I've idolized Steve Ronella.

1978
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 1: I hope he never listens to this. And here was bastard. Well,

1979
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: I've idolized him for that power, you know, for that

1980
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: for his ability to do that, but never having never

1981
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 1: really seen it. Then when it was revealed to me

1982
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: that this is exactly what's going on, and there's little kids,

1983
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: old ladies, he like brand new a thought, all set hunters,

1984
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 1: people that are hunting their whole lives. They're all kind

1985
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: of gathered around the same fire. Dude. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

1986
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 1: It's cool to be there. That's place in time. So

1987
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: that that's that's my answer to That's a good one.

1988
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Any other any other big well, we um. I think

1989
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: we've gone through those questions. We salvage things, and we

1990
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: got off to a bad start. But I was gonna say,

1991
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 1: if for some something, you lost this job, for some reason,

1992
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 1: nobody would know. Yeah, now, what would you do? What

1993
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: would you do if you couldnot work? Not I don't

1994
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,719
Speaker 1: mean just here, but like in the media, outdoors media,

1995
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:12,560
Speaker 1: like you do, Like, what would you do? It would be?

1996
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 1: It would be it would be very difficult, it would

1997
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 1: be very difficult. I don't I would actually know what

1998
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 1: I was telling my wife the other day, I was like,

1999
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think about me

2000
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 1: going back to college and studying like wildlife biology, because

2001
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I think I feel like sometimes I talk like I know, ship.

2002
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I talked about the national world like

2003
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: I know. But again, just like your kids are kicking

2004
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: at the log, I'm not. I've not spent my life

2005
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 1: kicking at the log. I've talked to people and been

2006
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: around people that have. So I guess if if I

2007
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 1: got kicked out, which is it could happen, It's probable

2008
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: I would just like the fault to that because I

2009
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 1: still am interested in the natural world. I wouldn't remove

2010
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: my interest from it. Um, I would just go out

2011
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: of a different way. Um. So yeah, that's I've brought

2012
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: it up to money recently, Like what if I wanted

2013
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 1: to just like at night, going to take some night classes.

2014
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: She was like, divorce, Divorce would happen If you did that,

2015
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: divorce would happen. But yeah, I think that's what I

2016
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: have to do because I don't. The most powerful interest

2017
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I have is in like in wildlife and like wild

2018
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: places and lands and stuff like that. It's clicheyp is true, right,

2019
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:23,680
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Any other hard hitters. Um No,

2020
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that's good. I got one last one. It's

2021
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: a big one. Um, A my hipster in your opinion,

2022
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: because this is a recent development. Like like I went

2023
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: thirty some years, I've never got a called a hipster

2024
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: until like the last two or three months, and now

2025
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: it's the wave is its No, you're not a hipster. Um,

2026
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 1: you know you're maybe you're asking the wrong guy, the

2027
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: right guy. Like I lived in Brooklyn for six years.

2028
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 1: I know a hipster. And you know you maybe have

2029
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: some stylistic touches, but you're not full on hipster. Okay.

2030
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 1: My goal is to be in the middle of the road,

2031
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: at the average at everything that I do. Yeah that's

2032
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 1: what all right, Yeah, all right, that's good. I feel

2033
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,680
Speaker 1: like we ended in a good place. Um. Now, we

2034
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 1: got a couple of segments we gotta do. Um, we

2035
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,480
Speaker 1: don't have to do we like doing them. The first one, UM,

2036
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: this would be good. We'll see if you if you

2037
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: got anything. This first one is called hot spot. Cool dude. Now,

2038
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 1: this is where I try to convince you to give

2039
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: up one of your hunting spots. You know how the

2040
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: sacrilege we're talking about at lunch where people want to

2041
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: give their spots. Well, I've started a revolution, whereas I

2042
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 1: if everybody shares their hunting spots, then there'll be no

2043
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: hunting spots. If you feel like that's a smart move

2044
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: or that's stupid. Um, as someone who's just moving here

2045
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: and actively searching out spots, I love the site, like

2046
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 1: this idea, I see see, I knew it. I knew

2047
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:50,959
Speaker 1: you'd like this. This one is going to be sponsored

2048
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 1: by first Light. And I've been wearing you know, first

2049
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 1: Light throughout all the turkey hunts and shooting turkeys right

2050
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 1: in their face. Um, and they haven't seen me yet,

2051
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 1: So thank you or Slight for that. Continue to wear

2052
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 1: your wonderful, wonderful clothing. Um. Okay, so hot spot, hot spot,

2053
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: hot spot? Do you have a hot spot you'd like

2054
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: to give up? And it's got to be very specific?

2055
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 1: Can't you just be like a place over there? Hal

2056
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 1: Harry was like, oh, that Jackson Creek are and the

2057
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 1: Pitler So I'm like, m that's kind of specific, but

2058
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: I need more. And Andrew McKeen gave me a dove

2059
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 1: hunting spot in Montana, so I've got some. I'm cobbling

2060
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: together like a good list of spots. Yeah, um, okay,

2061
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I'll give a spot, but I feel like a bit

2062
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: of a jerk since I'm moving from the first is great. Yeah,

2063
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,600
Speaker 1: I'll give it. Well, everybody, I'm not gonna hunt there anymore. UM. Perfect, No,

2064
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 1: I will hunt there again. And I've hunted there many times. UM.

2065
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 1: And it's uh one of the Pennsylvania State game lands. Um.

2066
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: It's uh state game lands number of fifty seven, seven

2067
01:51:55,200 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: folks seven. Now I like that one because, um, it's

2068
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: a spectacular, rough, mountainous, beautiful, big timber piece of ground.

2069
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: It's good size, it's it's um. There's other public land

2070
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 1: connected to it. Um. It's a great place to deer hunt,

2071
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: a great place to turkey hunt. I've done both there

2072
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: many times. UM. You know, it's no secrets. There are

2073
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 1: plenty of other people there, but it's one that I

2074
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 1: don't think. I think a lot of people do forget about.

2075
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: I think Pennsylvania State game lands UM, in general are

2076
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: a good opportunity for people to hunt. Pennsylvania has a

2077
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: terrific public land system, state public land system, especially for

2078
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: a state in the East. Um. Everybody talks about public

2079
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: lands and tends to think about federal lands. Um, but

2080
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great state lands with some states.

2081
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania is one of those states. I would agree. Yeah,

2082
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting right next to a spot which

2083
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give up because I'm up. I see

2084
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 1: how this spot this segment, I'm not giving that spot up.

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Speaker 1: One of my crazy uh that I just didn't understand

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Speaker 1: state game lines. I didn't understand that that was different.

2087
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: I just thought that's where a guy went to go hunting.

2088
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 1: Then you learn that that's pretty rare in that in

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01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: that part of the world. So that's a good number

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01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:19,679
Speaker 1: fifty seven, number fifty seven. Remember that. Um. The next

2091
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: segment is you may not even have a story. We

2092
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 1: don't have something. You've been around enough that you don't

2093
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: have something. It's called damn near died. And this has

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01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,719
Speaker 1: brought to you by Eddie. Uh welcome to the segments. Yetie.

2095
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,959
Speaker 1: We like having you around. You make quite a fine cooler. Um,

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01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: what would I use I used in the back of

2097
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: my little camper brig there the other day I opened

2098
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 1: up my Yetie cooler my tundra, and inside of it

2099
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: was a turkey foot, a six pack of beer and

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01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: a jar of pickles. You know, you've been doing something fun.

2101
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: I was like, God, that's a good time, and so

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01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 1: that's that's Uh. Thanks Eddie for providing the vessel in

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01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 1: which to put all the most important things in my life. Um.

2104
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: This one is where you might have a story if

2105
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: some sometime you almost died or you felt like maybe

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01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: being outside you were imperiled in some way. Do you

2107
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 1: have one of those? Oh yeah, I have a couple

2108
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:16,639
Speaker 1: of dodgy situations. I'm the one I'm gonna tell. It's uh,

2109
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: not not that dramatic of a story, but I'm gonna

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01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 1: tell it because I think this is a way a

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01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 1: lot of people die and get into trouble. Um. I

2112
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,679
Speaker 1: was hunting in the Adirondacks, you know, big big country,

2113
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: public land up and upstate New York. Um, nobody around,

2114
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, really far out there. I was camping. I

2115
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: was with some some some friends, but you know, nobody

2116
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 1: really knew where I was going for the day. It

2117
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: was not that cold out when I left camp, and

2118
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to go light and I was going to

2119
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground. Um, I did not bring

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01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 1: a shell. Uh. All of a sudden it started raining

2121
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: and then the temperature drop twenty degrees and the wind

2122
01:54:56,840 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: picked up and uh started snowing. And I wasn't in

2123
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: like real danger. You know, I knew I could hike

2124
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: back to camp in time before dark. Um, I didn't

2125
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: get lost, I knew my way, but I was a

2126
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: little This happened pretty recently, about two years ago. I

2127
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: was shocked how quickly UM. I don't know that I

2128
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: was hypothermic, but all of a sudden it was getting

2129
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 1: which is and like I was, I was shaking a

2130
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: little bit. I was starting to lose my focus. I

2131
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: was starting to doubt which way I was going. Um,

2132
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't even really have good gloves on,

2133
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: and so my dexterity was was failing. And I was like,

2134
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 1: oh jeez, working after me. I've read this story before.

2135
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't like how this story ends the April edition,

2136
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 1: right like I and and I guess what I'm telling

2137
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: it is even though I wasn't near death. But it

2138
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 1: was me being kind of overconfident and despite knowing how

2139
01:55:56,920 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: quickly something that could happen, be shocked by how quickly UM,

2140
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:05,240
Speaker 1: by getting wet, not being prepared UM sent me to

2141
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: a place physically where I was like, oh, if something

2142
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 1: did go wrong, then I would be in trouble. Yeah.

2143
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Now we're working on some content procts around here, just

2144
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because you get this, like everybody

2145
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: wants to be either really really practical or really bear grylls.

2146
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: Like if you ever needed to jump off a waterfall

2147
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: right with a parachuteing the machine gun, that's what I

2148
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 1: would look right, Thanks bro, Yeah right, yeah, I appreciate you. Um,

2149
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 1: and so I appreciate that story just for that reason. Um,

2150
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,720
Speaker 1: but you didn't all like you were. I was fine,

2151
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 1: but I got scared, is my point. Um, Uh, you

2152
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 1: know it. I got I was experienced, and I knew

2153
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: and I knew what I was doing, and yet all

2154
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden it took a turn when nothing else

2155
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 1: was going wrong and I my body wasn't doing what

2156
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and it made me frightened. Yeah

2157
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I will, I will admit to uh going bear hunting

2158
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: this week and being like, oh I am not I

2159
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 1: mean grizzly country. Now I'm like this newbie. I've hunted around,

2160
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing hunting, Like, I was just thinking,

2161
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 1: how quickly this is the stuff I go wrong? So

2162
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: I went straight back home, got to bear spray, got

2163
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: my medical kid out, replaced everything that was not in there, Like,

2164
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 1: don't be a dumbass, don't go out unprepared just because

2165
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 1: it's oh it's only a Saturday. I'll go up if

2166
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Um So, yeah, that's all. That's a

2167
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: good damn near diet. I like that one. Well, welcome

2168
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 1: to the team, my friend. I'm glad to have you here, sincerely,

2169
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 1: glad to have you here, and glad to add your

2170
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 1: voice to all the other things that we're doing, and

2171
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 1: glad to have your leadership. I'm really happy to be here.

2172
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun because that's me

2173
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: sucking off to my boss. The end of podcast. Well done, sir,

2174
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: see you. That's it. That's all another episode of the

2175
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: podcast in the books. It was a good one. Welcome

2176
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 1: to Mr Lakata and and welcome to a brand new podcast,

2177
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 1: How's we Can Review? So a lot of new stuff

2178
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 1: happening there. But happy to have those guys on board,

2179
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 1: Happy to have a new podcast. Cow's we Canterview. I

2180
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 1: can't say it enough. That's one of my favorites. Man

2181
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: makes me laugh. Cow's not unintentionally funny for sure. What

2182
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: else we gotta say? What else we gotta say? Now,

2183
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: everybody needs to go to the th HC at the

2184
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: meat Eater dot com. That's th HC at the meat

2185
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 1: Eater dot com. Um, you gotta email me there. You

2186
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 1: can email me with really any like as we did

2187
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 1: in this podcast, really any query, anything that you want

2188
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 1: to say in regards to the conversation we've had from

2189
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: any of the of the sixty episodes we've recorded, but

2190
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 1: in in particular, Yeah, I want you to email in

2191
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 1: an audio recording. You take the notes out on your

2192
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 1: phone and hit record talking to it and then email it.

2193
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 1: That's easy, super easy to do. And then we'll play

2194
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 1: some of our favorites when we when they come in

2195
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 1: and they're eligible to be played on these on the air,

2196
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 1: So keep them under two minutes, keep them clean, keep

2197
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 1: them nice. Um, we don't mind some criticism, but just

2198
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: keep it clean. So do that for us if you

2199
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 1: don't mind. We really appreciate that. And I would like

2200
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: to play your thoughts for the rest of the audience

2201
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 1: on the air. So once again th h C at

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01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot Com. Remember that th C The

2203
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 1: Hunting collective at the meat Eater dot com should be fun.

2204
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: Really appreciate all you guys doing that. What else we get?

2205
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 1: What else we had? Now I want you to go.

2206
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 1: Another thing you gotta do is go to the Meteor

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01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 1: dot com. Subscribe to the newsletter. Go to the Meteor

2208
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Speaker 1: dot com, go to store and take a look at

2209
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Speaker 1: what's there. We got all kinds of hunting collector merchandise.

2210
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: We got hoodies, we got hats, we've got tease, we

2211
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Speaker 1: got our pro nuance Anti bullshit T and some other

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Speaker 1: makes some purchases, show your friends. It's all fun. It's

2214
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 1: real fun. So that's it and this episode. Next episodes

2215
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: stick around because we are going to play some of

2216
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,720
Speaker 1: your some of your voice mails that you're sending in.

2217
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 1: But for this episode, we're just gonna get out the

2218
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 1: door with a little bit more. Devil makes three Old

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Speaker 1: number seven. You guys, have a good week. We'll see

2220
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Speaker 1: you next week. Oh number seven. Tennessee whiskey got me

2221
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: dragging in heaven and uh and just stopped. It looks

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Speaker 1: good to me. They're gonna have to department to the fire,

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Speaker 1: dyed to the fire, Red in the Dragon Heaven,