1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,639 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 2: The guy who was getting beat up the worst through 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: no fault of his own. He was just taking the 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: beating and getting back up with Sean Spicer, the Press 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: Secretary and communications director, and he's our guest. Welcome to 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: the programs, shir Hey, Michael, good to be with you. 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. 8 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: You got to be thinking as you see Carolyn Levitt 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: up there going, hey, I didn't have it this easy. 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny when you say that. 11 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: I had a conversation with the President a couple of 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: weeks back, and he was asking me. 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: He said, you know, this is just. 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: How he operates. He always says, how do you think 15 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: it's going? 16 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: How's everyone doing? 17 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: And I said to him, sir, I'm a little jealous. 18 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: He started laughing and he. 19 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Said, why do you say that. I said, because you know, 20 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: we came in. He was very magnanimous. He said, oh, 21 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: that's nice. And then and I said, well, it's true. 22 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: I think we we went in for, you know, with 23 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: all the best intentions. And to your point in your introduction, 24 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: there were some people that didn't share that, and they 25 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: thought that they either were there to serve their own 26 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: own agenda or to resist. 27 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: His and I think a lot of it was new. 28 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: And I've said to folks before, you know, part of 29 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: the thing for me was I actually had this very 30 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: fun conversation with him at one point and we're talking 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: about traditions and how the White House operates that he 32 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: looks at me and he said, Sean, I'm going to 33 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: be the most traditional president ever. And I was like, oh, cool, 34 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: I know tradition, I can. 35 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: I like, guy got this that, and and that clearly 36 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: wasn't the case. 37 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: And and you know, he beats to his own drum 38 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: and he has his own style in his way, and 39 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: and it's just. 40 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: It was it was a learning experience for a lot 41 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: of us. 42 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: And and like I said, so I I was so 43 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: super proud to have been part of that. And uh, 44 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: but but it's different. And here's the thing, Michael. I've 45 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: identified three things, the people, the process, and the policies. 46 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: And you touched on this a beginning at the beginning 47 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: of your segment. And what I mean by the people 48 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: is less time. He trusted lot of people. 49 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: That they said, oh, I want to serve in the. 50 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: Trump administration where they were recommended by somebody, and so 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: he took their work for, and they weren't people that 52 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: were there for the. 53 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: Right necessarily intentions. 54 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: This time, the people that he's run on board, he knows, 55 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: he trusts, they understand the goal at hand, and that's 56 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: a very different dynamic. 57 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's number one. Then we go to the policies. 58 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he wants to do and how 59 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: to do it. He knows what he wants to fight for, 60 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: what he wants to accomplish. And the last is the process, 61 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: which is he knows how to do it now not 62 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: only the levers of government to pull, but where the 63 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: resistance is going. 64 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: To come from. 65 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: Okay, and that is important because he sort of if 66 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: you think about it, day one, Tom Holme is doing 67 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: all of these immigration roundups. 68 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: He knew what cities to go to, where to find them. 69 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 3: They didn't just think of this out of thin air. 70 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: It wasn't just you know, maybe we should go to Boston, 71 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: maybe we should go to Chicago. 72 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: They knew where to go because they had been spending 73 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: four years plot and planning exactly what they would do 74 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: if they got back in office. 75 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: And you see it, it is a well executed strategy, 76 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: brilliant in its uh in its plan and flawless in 77 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: the execution. I also think that he brought in you 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: were a guy that was willing to withstand the slings 79 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: and arrows. I think there were some folks who weren't. 80 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 2: They were a little more retiring, a little more reticent, 81 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: a little more reserved. Mike Pence was not really you know, 82 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: a battle weary partner for him. He's got guys that 83 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: really enjoy going into into the fire, you know, jd 84 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: Vance and Pete Hegseeth and Toolsey and and each one 85 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: of them ready to take on the battle. And I 86 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: feel like that allows him, you know, like a leader, 87 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: a president with his generals. It allows him to dissipate 88 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: some of that, to spread some of that. Elon takes 89 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: a lot of that hatred. And I think that I'd 90 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: be curious to know your thoughts. But I think that 91 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: has helped him a lot as well. 92 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. 93 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: Look at the thing that the media gets wrong, Michael 94 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: is they keep saying, oh, he's surrounded himself with loyalists. 95 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: A dog can be loyal. 96 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: That's not nothing that these people are disruptors. These are 97 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: people who understand the agenda and what the president wants 98 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: to accomplish and are like, great, I got it. So 99 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: whether Paulsey, RFK or Pete hegseth uh. You know Lee 100 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: Zelvin at the EPA, these guys are coming in and saying, Okay, 101 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: we got it, we got the mission, We're ready to 102 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: execute and frankly, you're seeing the results. I mentioned Tom Holman, 103 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: another guy's going in there to do this. But there's 104 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: one thing that I keep warning Republicans on, which is 105 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 3: guys that we've now seen. You know, Trump got elected, 106 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: he made a lot of great things happen. He helped secure 107 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: the border, get US energy independence. And what's Biden do? 108 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: Biden undoes all of that through executive order. 109 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: And then what is Trump to He. 110 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: Undoes the Biden and reinstitutes a lot of stuff and 111 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: then builds on it. And my message to Republicans, especially 112 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: in the area of immigration, is if you like what 113 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: President Trump is doing, then we need to codify law. 114 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: Because if you look at where President Trump has gotten pushback, 115 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: it's not this resistance that we had in. 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: The first term. It's the courts. 117 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: And what are the courts saying. They're saying, well, the 118 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: law is clear that X or not clear that why. 119 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: And so my point to my fellow Republicans is. 120 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: If you like what President Trump did, if you like 121 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: what he accomplished, then don't let another president do it. 122 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: Codify immigration stuff in law, figure out how many business 123 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: we want, how many judges, how many CBP or ice 124 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: agents we want, set new limits on making us more 125 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: of a meritocracy. So we figure out what kind of 126 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: immigration system we want. But we keep fudging along and 127 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: hoping that President Trump's going to stay in office forever. 128 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: It's just not as much as we may want that 129 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 3: to happen, it's not gonna happen while we have majorities. 130 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: And this is the other point that I try to 131 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: make to Republicans. 132 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: Is I would love to believe that we're just gonna 133 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: get judged by, you know, putting points on the board 134 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: and delivering for the American people. But we've seen what 135 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: it takes to get legislation passed, and god forbid, we 136 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: lose the House Republican majority, which is, you know, tenuous 137 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: at best. We got two more seats last week, because 138 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 3: that's somehow everybody felt like, oh that was great. I'm like, 139 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: that's just two more were down to we're up to 140 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 3: a four seat majority. 141 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: Yay. But if you. 142 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: Really want to ensure that things are going to happen, 143 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: then use these next eighteen plus months to actually codify 144 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: the Trump agenda, especially in immigration in law. 145 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the border, obviously, something that y'all worked 146 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: on very hard. I have been I must admit, I 147 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 2: have been delighted and at the same time surprised at 148 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: the effect activeness, and the swiftness with which this thing 149 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: has happened and how successful it has been. Your thoughts, Yeah, I. 150 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: Mean there's two things. Just one. 151 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: It proved to me that if you focus on something anything, 152 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: it's not necessarily easy, but you can get results. Right. So, 153 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: I mean, whether you trying to get in shape or 154 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: sell something, or in this. 155 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: Case, secure the border. 156 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: What happened under Biden is they allow They made the 157 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: border open. People came in. They gave incentives to people 158 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: to come. I tell this story all the time. I 159 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: got a buddy of mine that does a lot of 160 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: federal contracting with the State Department, and in the Trump 161 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: first term, they had assigned throughout America that said, you know, 162 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: the borders closed, don't come. When Biden came into office, 163 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: they changed the billboards and it said need help, here's 164 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: the phone number. Right. They literally it was a magnet 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: to come into this country. 166 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris might have told people don't. 167 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: But the reality is that if you're told, if you do, though, 168 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: we're going to give you a hotel room, a gift card, 169 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: free phones, etc. 170 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Gonna come. 171 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: They understood they wouldn't get kicked out, they wouldn't be stopped, 172 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: and so they came. President Trump changed that in a heartbeat, 173 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: and you know, Tom Holman and everyone's rounding people up, 174 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: making it clear that this is a priority of this president. 175 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it just. 176 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: Showed you how much we were gas lit by the 177 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: Biden administration, right, who told us, oh, we can't do anything, 178 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong, there's no criminals here. Well, if there 179 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: were no criminals here, how did President Trump just round 180 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: up all of those Trende de Agua people and the 181 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: NS thirteen gangbaggers, because you know, under the Biden administration, 182 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: they told us our border was secure, nothing was wrong, 183 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: and it was clearly a lie. 184 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's quite interesting. Sean Spicer is our guests. 185 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: He was the first Press secretary and communications director for 186 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: President Trump. Let me pull back for our moment on Trump. 187 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Shawn Spicer. How has life changed for you? 188 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: What does what does life look. 189 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: Like for you today? 190 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: That's a great question. 191 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: So when I walked into the White House, I had 192 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: been the communications director and the chief strategies for the 193 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: Republican National Committee for six years. I'd been around Washington 194 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: working for members of Congress. I'd just come actually off 195 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: on active duty deployment, so I you know, I was 196 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: just your typical staffer and then walked into the Trump 197 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: White House and got thrown, you know, into the defense 198 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: real quick. 199 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: And it was a challenging yet. 200 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: Honorific opportunity to serve the country and the President Trump. 201 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: And then look, it was funny afterwards. 202 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: I did stuff that I mean, I have had some 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: pretty cool moments since I left the White House. I 204 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: still stay in touch with President Trump. As I mentioned, 205 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: I talked to him on the phone the other day. 206 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: He appointed me to the Naval Academy Board of Visitors. 207 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: You know, I've got two shows. The Shawn Spicer Show 208 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: airs every night six pm Eastern on YouTube. So I'm 209 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 3: doing stuff, Michael, for the first time, I was always 210 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 3: somebody else's spokesman and now I get to talk about 211 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: what I think and why I think things need to 212 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: get that and with the priorities, I've written four books, 213 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: you know, I may announce a fifth one soon. 214 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: It's been fun to do something. 215 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: When your whole life professionally was focused on you know, 216 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: even in the military it was a public affairs officer, right, 217 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: And I've always spoken for other people and entities, and 218 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: when you leave and get the opportunity to, you know, 219 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: launch shows. I have a show every morning, a live 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: show on my YouTube channel called The Morning Meeting, where we. 221 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Talk about the issues of the day. 222 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: And it's fun to be able to give people my opinion, 223 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: my thought, my insights from thirty years of politics. And 224 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: that's a very different place than I've ever been. 225 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: But I got to imagine with all of that and 226 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: enjoying a little more, you know, taking an extra thirty 227 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: minutes on your cup of coffee, or making one more 228 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: lap on your morning walk if you so choose, or 229 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: sleeping in on occasion, if you want. I gotta imagine 230 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: for guys like you, having been in it myself, you 231 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: have to miss the adrenaline. It's and I know there 232 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: are days that you are missing that and wishing you 233 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: were in there in the battle. 234 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: You know what. 235 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: The funny thing about you saying that was I used 236 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: to when I left Capitol Hill and went to different places, 237 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: I would always say I always. 238 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I think that I found it. 239 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if it's because I have kids 240 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: now they're teenagers. It's like, I think my priorities are 241 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: a little bit different, having to want to spend time. 242 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: And I know it's always like this cliche Washington thing. 243 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: I love it, don't get me wrong, I will never 244 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: I'm so. 245 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: Honored that President Trump had me serves as the White 246 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: House pre Secretary. But now when I get to do stuff, 247 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 3: like I wake up, like I said, I have this 248 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: show every morning, it's live for an hour on YouTube 249 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: where I walk through with Mark Alper and a guy 250 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: named Dan Turntine that we call it the Morning Meeting. 251 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: It's very it's just continues to grow in popularity. 252 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: Then I do my show that airs at six o'clock 253 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: on YouTube. And like I said, I do a lot 254 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: of writing. I write comps, so I don't it's almost 255 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,479 Speaker 3: like I've kind of pivoted my my love for politics 256 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: into into different ways. 257 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: So now I can actually. 258 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 3: Openly opine about what I like to do and what. 259 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: I like to say, and so I'm fired up. I 260 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: I I get your point. Like I if. 261 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: Ten it was a ten years Yeah, ten years ago, 262 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what to do. I used to work 263 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: crazy hours at the RNC, and I think people tell 264 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: me all the time, you know, wow, you work crazy 265 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: hours and how do you ever find time? 266 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: And it's because I love it. I love politics. I'd 267 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: love the backs and forth. 268 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: I love you know that no day is ever the same, 269 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: and that I had a great. 270 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: Team to work with. I mean, but there's something. 271 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: About like the last few years where I've enjoyed, like 272 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: getting to do things like I've had the I've had 273 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: the I was on a reality shows you might recall 274 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: these stars. I did a back night movie. There's stuff 275 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 3: that is a kid from Rhode Island that my dad 276 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: sold votes for a living. And to be like, I 277 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: can't believe I opened the Eny's for goodness sake in 278 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. 279 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: Do have any fun? I mean? And you survived because, 280 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: as you know, a lot of guys don't walk away 281 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: from this thing able to hold their head up. A 282 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: lot of guys it chews you up and spit you out. 283 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: Let me ask you, you said it's about people. 284 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: Do you know why though? 285 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: Here here's why though, because I honestly, I don't mean 286 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 3: this sound like I'm not the best at a lot 287 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: of things, but I have my priorities straight. And when 288 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: the opportunity came to get an off ramp, and I 289 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: said this to the President because he had been very 290 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 3: gracious he wanted me to stay in the White House. 291 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: I was Communications director and White House Press Secretary. And 292 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: I said, it's the president you need, you need a 293 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: fresh start. And and I knew that that was my offering. 294 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: I honestly believe that God had said to me, Sean, 295 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, like this is this is 296 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: our off ramp. And and and and I knew if 297 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: I stayed longer it wouldn't And and like I said, 298 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: here we are eight years later. I call him, he 299 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 3: calls me. He's kind enough to reappoint me to the 300 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: Naval Academy Board. He's endorsed all four of the books 301 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: that I've written. He literally voted for me on a 302 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 3: reality television show when he was President the United States. 303 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: That is a guy who you know He's had my back, 304 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: and I just it is so to your point, like 305 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: part of the thing is that I feel like I 306 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: knew when to a lot of people in Washington can't 307 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: walk away from power. And I knew the second the 308 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: day that I said that I. 309 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: Was stepping down, that that was going. 310 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: To change forever I would it would never be the 311 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: same again. 312 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: You know, when I assess what the President's been able 313 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: to do, it's it's in a sort of Nixon's first 314 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: term imperial presidency sort of manner. And because he has 315 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: the House and the Senate, both of them with a tenuous, delicate, 316 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: dangling majority that could change, and a lot of folks 317 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: that if they have the chance, would stab him in 318 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: the back, but right now have to play along. It 319 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: concerns me because if things have to go through the 320 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: House or the Senate, we've had We've had pretty good 321 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: luck so far. But it does concern me. What concerns 322 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: you the most for the continued success of this president 323 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: in this country, which I know you care so deeply about. 324 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: Is it the tariffs? Is it is it the financial folks? 325 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: Is it Chinese intervention? What are the things that you 326 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: see on the horizon and you say, let's just keep 327 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: an eye on that. 328 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think the greatest threat we face is from China. 329 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: And I think that if we don't like I think 330 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: President Trump needs him majority. We watched this this first 331 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: term when he lost the House majority, they spend all 332 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: their time at teaching him, obstructing him, and attacking him. 333 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: And so I think that people have to understand he 334 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: needs to be able to have the runway. As I 335 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: mentioned to you a moment ago, like not just to like. 336 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: I love what he's doing now, the tax cuts, getting 337 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: the border focused, but if we don't codify some of 338 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: these things in legislation before, you know, and maintain a 339 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: House and set majority, I feel good about the Senate, 340 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: less so about you know so anyway, I actually worry 341 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: that if he doesn't keep the majority, it's it stunts 342 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: the the progress that we've made, no doubt. 343 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: And and you know, it happened so fast that the 344 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: momentum he with which he started, and as you said, 345 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: it was it was having a plan that you execute. 346 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: You know, you have kids. I don't know if you've 347 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: been to youth sports, but I've coached youth sports. And 348 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: when the other team is better than your team and 349 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: you show up on the first day and you go, oh, 350 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: those kids, they've been playing together for years. And I 351 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: got a bunch of kids in their first year and 352 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: you know, oh wow, we came to the battle and 353 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: got whipped. He did that to them, and it was 354 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: a blitzkrig. He came in and he just rolled over them. 355 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: And now I worry. You know, we've got to keep 356 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: that momentum going. And that's my concern. And I know 357 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: you've been in that room where you talk about how 358 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: to jump start that momentum and get it going again. 359 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: One and that's the key is it stay focused? And 360 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: I think the president has a focus. You know that 361 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: he didn't And again it's not that he didn't, it's not. 362 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: I don't feel like this is a slight to say, 363 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: but I think he is so much more driven now. 364 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: Four years out of office has given him such different 365 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: perspective about how to get the job done. 366 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 367 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything quite like this. I mean, you know, 368 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: we had We've had very few presidencies separated in this way, 369 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: and I think once you're in the White House, you 370 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: don't get better. We've seen a decline in presidents in 371 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: the in the second term and you're just fending off. 372 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: But it's like those years in Siberia. It's much like 373 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: when Nixon leaves the vice presidency in sixty and loses 374 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: the governor's race in California in sixty two. And from 375 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: sixty two to sixty eight, he got better and he 376 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: got stronger, and he understood his support and he understood 377 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: where his voters were. And I think those four years, 378 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: oddly enough, even though he's being dragged to court, I 379 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: think Trump did some very deep thinking and I think 380 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: he sought some good input out and he's a different 381 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: man today, and he's a better leader because of He's 382 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: more effective, for sure. 383 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it, No question about it. 384 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: And so I think the time away, the assassination attempts 385 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: were all critical in that thinking. 386 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: When you look at the American public's reaction to Trump, 387 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: you know, when y'all came in, he was still a 388 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: shock and all guy people were still sort of frightened 389 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: of him. I think people have come to understand, Hey, 390 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: he can say something, he can threaten something, he can 391 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: promise something, he can insult somebody from being fat, it's 392 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: gonna be okay. Is it interesting or what's your reaction 393 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: to how America has learned to process Trump and understand 394 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: that's just who he is. 395 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: Well, this goes to the point you are making. I 396 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: think one of the things we've only had at one 397 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: time previously in history is that when you're able to 398 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: contrast like so normally, you know, president gets two consecutive 399 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 3: terms and you know, maybe you have some you know, 400 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: you go, gosh, I wish we had them back or whatever. 401 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: But Trump, when he ran against Biden, they contrasted their policies. 402 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: You know, Biden got it into office, and then when 403 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: Trump came in back and off where Trump was running again, 404 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 3: I think people said, okay, maybe we didn't like some 405 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: of the style thing, but we really saw the difference 406 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: in policies between Trump and Biden, and we need them back. 407 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 3: And that was what I think was critically different, is 408 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 3: that the American people had a. 409 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Contrast that was so different. So I was excited. 410 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: I think it's it can't be overstated how impactful it is. 411 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: Having four years between was yeah. 412 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: And but what's amazing is, you know, unlike Reagan, who 413 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: comes onto the scene seventy six, Ford holds onto the 414 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: nomination in eighty he comes back stronger, but he spends 415 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: those four years in relative peace and in quiet and 416 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: meetings and this sort of thing. Those weren't four quiet years. 417 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: I mean, those were four tough years of being dragged 418 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: to court and insulted and threatened. And yet all the 419 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: while he was he was reloading. And I think that 420 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this. It's a juggernaut the 421 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: likes of which I've never seen. You've been around politics, 422 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: you know, at the highest levels, but I've never seen 423 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: a candidate like this, and I don't see a candidate 424 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: in the offing like this. Let me ask you this, 425 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 2: do you think the president is able to hold his 426 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: coalition through the entirety of his president and presidency? Obviously 427 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: the midterms are going to be important. Who out there 428 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: worries you as a break in the facade or break 429 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: in in the the consensus. 430 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think any. 431 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think it's it's rock solid. You've 432 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: seen so many of these folks. We didn't have that 433 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 3: case in the trumpet The Freedom Caucus when we're trying 434 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: to repeal health care was was Trump's biggest opponent. 435 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: And so now. 436 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: Having like you watch just this budget resolution, that passed, 437 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: you know, the Freedom Caucus, Andy, Andy Harris and Chip 438 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: Roy of Texas all you know eventually came on board. 439 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: That was huge. 440 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I what I see is that there his 441 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: support is so deep and so committed and so zealous 442 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: that you can't just oppose him if you are a 443 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: Republican without being punished for it. His support says, hey, 444 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: I got its, you got your high minded position, but 445 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: we're going to punish you. And I think they've learned 446 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: from that and and that that's a real impressive way 447 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: to govern. It's a consensus government. 448 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: Well, but see, it's not just the person. 449 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: Back when I was on the hill for a while 450 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: and the early two thousands, Tom Delay with the majority whip, 451 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: and people knew not to cross Tom because you know, 452 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: he would exact political revenge. Donald Trump, it's not even that. 453 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: I think people understand the movement will get you. It's 454 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 3: not Donald Trump. People will will you know, your your. 455 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: Constituents will come after you. 456 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: And that's that's I think the big difference. 457 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: So Michael Berry Show. If you like the. 458 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 2: Michael Berry Show and podcast, please tell one friend and 459 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: if you're so inclined, write a nice review of our podcast. 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