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Speaker 2: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifices, hustle back

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Speaker 3: I be grinding all my life. Hello, Welcome to another

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Speaker 3: episode of Club Sha Shae. I am your host, Shannon Sharp,

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Speaker 3: but also the proprietor of Club Sha Sha, stopping by

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Speaker 3: The best kept secret in America T to the mofo

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Speaker 3: K here is Ladies and Gentlemen t.

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Speaker 1: K kirkliss Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 3: That's how you introduced some Maybe it's a pleasure to

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Speaker 3: have you on club Man forty years in the industry. Man,

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Speaker 3: we got a toast in Yes, sir, Yes, sir Bro,

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Speaker 3: thank you for stopping by me. Appreciate your time. I

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Speaker 1: Really, this means a lot to me as well.

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Speaker 4: You don't have my drink.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so good. Yeah, gonna have me here.

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Speaker 4: TK.

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Speaker 3: Since you started your career and you've opened up for

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Speaker 3: We're gonna open up with a very very special performer.

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Speaker 3: She flew herself all the way from Japan. Here she

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Speaker 3: is Ladies and gentlemen, a witch.

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Speaker 2: Meet you, then you.

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Speaker 3: Then you what the.

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Speaker 5: Coade Kate hung up with the boss if mental domon

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Speaker 5: cut clean Hize so essential, Taga like Kinzl Bush, you

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Speaker 5: all like bensol, come and miss me, yag you.

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Speaker 2: Want to bush you in your then so wax wax song,

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Speaker 5: Up the leggas, gotta get the back song never graduated,

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Speaker 5: but you get your cap full.

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Speaker 2: You running by my.

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Speaker 5: Way, got us at the digs off and al right,

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Speaker 5: say say wax so on, wax up, Hey, wax on,

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Speaker 5: waxaf wax song, wax sauce, wax all wax up. Things

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Speaker 5: could get vined to some better agreed, show me who

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Speaker 5: when you hear my voice, sit them bed, it's run

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Speaker 2: Just they pick it.

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Speaker 5: Then they mana to the ground. Too many want to

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Speaker 4: He goes in the mice and them.

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Speaker 5: Sherros and my watch, Jesus, I was on the side

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Speaker 5: catching flies, woman chops eat shot tattoo on hip hop

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Speaker 5: like that pop Waise TikTok do, hurry up steam classic six,

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Speaker 3: Now will break a brick with a.

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Speaker 4: Chap, keep a stick and a chopper.

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Speaker 5: I teach you how to black gain you know it,

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Speaker 3: Ye, I'm I will tell your cock back come bound.

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Speaker 5: When I will tell your cop back, I'm bottling it.

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Speaker 5: I will tell your cop back.

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Speaker 3: You don't know hallwey.

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Speaker 3: If you call with the poems, we could go to

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Speaker 3: Sola wlax?

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Speaker 1: Saw whack whack saw wax. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: a Wich to perform again and you're gonna learn more

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Speaker 3: about her story. As I mentioned, you started your career,

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Speaker 1: Way back nineteen eighty eight, and I got my start,

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Speaker 1: the way we take pictures down. You would get beat up.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day if you took somebody's picture, they

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Speaker 4: You you independent, you got to sell yourself.

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Speaker 1: I gotta sell myself. You hit it right in there.

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Speaker 1: But this is going to be a day and it's

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Speaker 4: And then what's So, what's what's what's the next step,

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, I just want to continue traveling

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Speaker 1: the way I do. I think I've saved up enough

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Speaker 1: understand we getting here, right. I mean, we worked so

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Speaker 1: hard and it's only so many damn jokes you could say,

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Speaker 1: I love getting ready. Just like I told you, I

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Speaker 1: was like, TK, I can't wait for you to do

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Speaker 1: shakee Club Shade Sharet, I said, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: It's going to come. I promise you was going to come.

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Speaker 1: So when I got the call, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: But they didn't have no phone number. They did it twice.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was official. So when I called, he said, man, Shannon,

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Speaker 1: watch y'all, you'd out have got die and I said, boom,

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Speaker 1: it was set. So we're supposed to have done it

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that you opened up for a lot of

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Speaker 1: I was opening up it was the Rough Riders, Cash

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Speaker 1: So Leo Cohen said, TK, A lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: You can side a riot or you can keep them laughing.

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Speaker 1: And I always kept them entertained, and that's what always

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Speaker 1: for sure that will solidify my position because most comedians

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks? You know you do you watch film to

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Speaker 1: know when you play a team, who's that guy. In

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Speaker 1: our business, comedians don't do their homework. They don't have

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Speaker 1: They do not have it. So comedy IQ is knowing

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Speaker 1: your history right. A lot of people think Russell Simmons

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Speaker 1: Michael Williams started black comedy in South Central on forty

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Speaker 1: Robin Harris. Yeah, but this is before they would let

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Speaker 1: us in the improvs, the funny Bones. See, comedians think

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Speaker 1: that's easy now for them to get in there.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. I'm not saying they disliked us, but we did.

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Speaker 1: The only people that's popular back in the day was

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Speaker 1: Rich Pryor All Morning. It wasn't. It's so many more

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Speaker 1: Right now, what they did with death Jam, So.

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Speaker 3: Then you think that's why they gave Russell rests will

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you and Ren have a conversation about that?

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Speaker 3: It hurts, especially if you invested in her. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: But control your ego, because it's your egos. Was hurting, right,

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Speaker 4: And he showed up lately, show up party Grace the.

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Speaker 4: Help me understand this.

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Speaker 1: I truly felt what hurt Damon was he talked too much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've seen him, man, he was one of the great.

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Speaker 1: seen how what they came up. I remember us driving

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Speaker 1: I'll never get those days. And when I read that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be hard for somebody to talk about

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Speaker 1: a special bond. And they separated because to me, too

434
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Speaker 1: much talking. And that's why I was telling one of

435
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Speaker 1: my friends the other day about Elon Musk on the topic,

436
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: because I Elon Musk played himselves like a female. He

437
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: gave Downald Trump twenty and fifty million, but what he

438
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: should have did was shut up and lay in the cut.

439
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: But he wanted to be in all the meetings. He

440
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: wants recognition, right, he wanted to be seen and destroyed

441
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: his stocking his business because I got stocked in it.

442
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: His relationship with mister Trump destroyed it. I want people

443
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: to use that examples. If you ever get put on,

444
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: get your money, shut up, shut up. To this day,

445
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: you don't know who Will Smith's manager is. To this day,

446
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: you don't know. To this day, you have no idea

447
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: who represents Will Smith because his manager and I know him.

448
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say his name moves low key and people

449
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: want always want to be recognized. Stay up, get your money,

450
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: stay low key, stay off the radars, streak.

451
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: Let me.

452
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: I want to pivot back to jay Z because jay Z,

453
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: although he got his start in music, he doesn't do

454
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of music. Now, maybe he'll jump on

455
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: somebody's feature, but for the most part, jay Z is

456
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: a businessman outside of the world of music. Yes, when

457
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: you was with him, did you did you see this

458
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: entrepreneurial side of whole.

459
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Thing absolutely comes on the streets. So when we were

460
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: in the streets, so all of us used to see

461
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: each other. The thing about jay Z and I always

462
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: noticed this in life, when you take care of your crew,

463
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: you get blessed. Right when jay Z turns the corner

464
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: into Bentley, his crew turns the corner and a bit right.

465
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: We did a show in Philly and they must have

466
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Speaker 1: had nine Bentleys pull up backstage. I'm talking about damn

467
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: cream top Burgundy. I ain't never seen these colors in

468
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: Bentley's before Now, I got a little jewelry on. But

469
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: when they hit the stage, it lit up the stadium,

470
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: right like when the lights hit it. Y, I sound

471
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: like that, Just like that, it lit up the stadium.

472
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: It was like it was a different type of rainbow

473
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: type blue purple. Give me. I still remember to this

474
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: day because I'm there. So that's what I liked about

475
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Speaker 1: jay Z. Now in life, men and women, women, everybody's

476
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: not gonna like you, right. You can't make everybody happy, right,

477
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: It's impossible.

478
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: A lot of time, the more successful you would get,

479
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: the more you disliked.

480
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the more you're dislike. I had something that happened today.

481
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: The dude tell me he didn't like he didn't like me.

482
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: He said, your word doesn't mean nothing for the struggle.

483
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't even know who you are.

484
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I said, but if you need help with your credit

485
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: or need to get our little apartment, they got websites

486
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: to get you together. Because you should don't get mad at.

487
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Me because of your situation.

488
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Because my situation, like I'm old. Anybody getting mad at

489
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: me should be embarrassed. I'm damn near seventy years old,

490
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Like to be upset with me is embarrassing. I'm damn

491
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: near seventy.

492
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I would never believe that.

493
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: And let me stretch you what I mean, right, once

494
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: you get past fifty something years old, for sure? Seventy two?

495
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Is he in like three days? Yeah? Yeah, people don't

496
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: understand that one day you fifty, you wake up seventy

497
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: something years old or sixty some years This is a fact,

498
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: it is. And then when you got schedules like us,

499
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: we know what we're doing three, four or five years

500
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: from now, we know what we're doing. When you have

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: it like that is even faster. So you play if

502
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: you want to, you know, you play one too. It

503
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: goes by fast. So that's what I liked about jay Z.

504
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: He whole crew straight right.

505
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: You also went out on the road with m. Well

506
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: what is it about him? What I mean did you

507
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: did you where would you rank HM? Did you know em?

508
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: I mean like because he's yeah, because the thing you

509
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: look but their life had what he had, Ice has

510
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: baby and it just blew up. And he made so

511
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: much money off that one song. But im was really

512
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: the first white guy, yes to put it down. And

513
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: you know, okay, the Beastie Boys. I mean the best

514
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: boys back in the in the mid eighties. I remember

515
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: the Beastie Boys. But M was the first with that,

516
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: with the I mean the flow, the way he the

517
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: way he said, I mean, you're like, damn, that's he

518
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: was like for rap.

519
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 4: M with the rap what Tiger Woods was to golf.

520
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I told thee and what at what point.

521
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: Time Tiger Woods was the best golfer and he was black,

522
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: and M was the best rapper and he was white.

523
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: And let me tell you to the world what I

524
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: see when you say that, to blow up, you always

525
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: need a co signer. Yes, right, you need a co signer.

526
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your way back probably before you was

527
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: born in nineteen I was born in sixth date you said, Yeah,

528
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: so you don't see this.

529
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: I gotta, I got a break, I got, I got,

530
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 4: I got a Birthday of the week.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Nineteen sixty eight, a man named Barry Gordie, who

532
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: ran Motown Yeah, discovered the group called the Jackson Fire.

533
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: What Barry Gordy did was to blow the Jackson five up.

534
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: And you can google this and go on the album

535
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you on the Jackson five first

536
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: over it says, Dina Ross presents the Jackson five. That

537
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: was the first moment of my life. I understood co signing.

538
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: Oh so they used Diana Ross, who already had a name,

539
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: who was already established. So basically she was co signing

540
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: for the Jackson exactly. If I'm gonna put my name

541
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: behind him, they got them, They got it.

542
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: Be good. So now let's fast forward to Doctor Dre

543
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Yes now dog hmm, the whole Compton move. Doctor Dre

544
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: co signed eminem DoD dre alady had the movement. If

545
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: doctor dre touched it, you must be good.

546
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 3: Because he was the NBA and then he had Snoop

547
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: in the chronic so he and Tupac Tupac, Yeah, he

548
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: had him. So this guy must be good. That watch

549
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: what I'm going getting a good deal.

550
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: I see what you That was his co signing. Now

551
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: and them is a rock star and minute Doctor dre

552
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: is still phenomenal. They find another gentleman in fifty Cold

553
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: sign them. Yeah, cold sign and said to the world, hey,

554
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: you may nothing to know who this guy is, but

555
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: we got the next superstar. So for fifty and Doctor

556
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Drea co signed fifty, it was rock stardom.

557
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: I read where Andre three thousand and three Stacks gave

558
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: you some great advice. Yes, and we're gonna talk about

559
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: this a little later, but how to deal with your

560
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: child's mom.

561
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was having some issues, but most of

562
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: us have ever growing up. And I remember it was

563
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: going to airport because me and I'll cast a good friend,

564
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: right right, good friends, And one day.

565
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: Was boy, yeah, yeah, I need one of them puppies.

566
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. We six o'clock in the morning on through the

567
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: airport and me and him were talking, and I didn't

568
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: know whether to stay with mine. You know how we

569
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: all get when we have that the kids. You don't

570
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: want to lead the kid. You want to be there

571
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: to raise your child because you think that's the right

572
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: thing to do, especially when you're educated, because you educate.

573
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: You don't want the woman that you have a children

574
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: with to be a single mother. Correct, This is what

575
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: you start saying, that I don't want to be a

576
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: single mother. You know you want to be They don't women.

577
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Some women don't know that men think that way. We

578
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: think that way to stay with the family because we

579
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: don't want you to be a single mother, and we

580
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: don't want no one else to raise our child, but

581
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I want to be in my kid's life.

582
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what therapist told me one time.

583
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: He says, Shahn, and sometimes you can be in a

584
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: relationship with a woman, and why y'all together?

585
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: You're a single man.

586
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Yep, so true. So I told him that, and I

587
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: remember this and I share this with people. Right. He said, TK,

588
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: you gotta choose which pain you want. Mmm, that's what

589
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: he said. You gotta choose which pain you want, understand it.

590
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: So one day a great, big situation happened, and it

591
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: had to happen that way because I'm into quantum figss,

592
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm into the universe, I'm into God. And me and

593
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: her had a big blowout and it was the greatest

594
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened, because I probably would have kept

595
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: coming back if it wouldn't have happened that way. And

596
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell young men and women sometimes it's

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: good to go separate ways. You think the kids want

598
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: you all to be together, and they probably do, but

599
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it's best just to get away at Yeah, and

600
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: believe it or not, you'll you'll live, you will grow,

601
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: you will become better depending on your determination of life.

602
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: You will educate yourself to become a better man, better woman.

603
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: And I'm here today to say that because I've actually

604
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: lived it. And that's why I always tell young men

605
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: social media, you could be twenty five, twenty nine, forty two,

606
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: even in the fifties, and that says nothing you could

607
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: tell me. I'm damn near seventy. I'm here to tell

608
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: you because I look young. It's a different curse. They

609
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: if you don't know me, you think I'm this young

610
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: kid talking. But I've seen it all and the best

611
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: thing sometimes is let your baby moms go on her way,

612
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you move on with your life, and the kids gonna

613
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: love it down the line because they get two Christmases,

614
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: two birthdays when.

615
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: Because sometimes I mean, you try to stay to make

616
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: it work, and all you do is argue that's not

617
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: good for the child. So you realize that, you know,

618
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 3: you get pushed away and you're not there every day,

619
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: and that's not good for the child. So you're kind

620
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: of dealing with a basic dilemma too, equally perplexing situations.

621
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: If I stay as bad, if I go, it's bad.

622
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Damn it's crazy.

623
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I actually lived it, and I

624
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: can honestly tell people everything the universe threw at me.

625
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I took it and built it thrick by brick and

626
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: hear him the day on Shannon Shop.

627
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: We appreciate you having you. Also was on the You

628
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: tour with DMX.

629
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Speaker 1: H DMX is my man. Yeah, God bless him to

630
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: this day. DMX is the greatest solo rapper I've ever

631
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: seen in my life. Really, nobody can touch him. If

632
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: I had to go solo rap artists, DMX number one,

633
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: because he didn't have background dancers. It was just him

634
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: a jumpsuit while the dog called collar and a mic

635
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and and some towns he'll hop on the speakers, he'll

636
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: run through the stage, he'll run through the audience, and

637
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I remember watching him. Not today. You appreciate it because

638
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: when you're young, but when you get to our age,

639
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: you go wow. I was here for a special moment

640
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: and he was phenomenal. I would put as a solo

641
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: DMX as a duo buster rhymes. Really listen to me.

642
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: Have you seen anybody since DMX have that kind of

643
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: energy on stage of the rapper?

644
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: Not at all. Even though I love what Atlanta is doing.

645
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: They have their own movement, their own style, but it's

646
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: just something about the people that came up in the

647
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and rap that was just phenomenal. The

648
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: DC Nelly, all these guys was just phenomenal. I mean,

649
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: they paved the way for these kids today doing what

650
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: they're doing. But DMX was amazing and like I said,

651
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Buster rhymes them, nobody want to follow that dude. He

652
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: was that good because he performed right right, he performed.

653
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: And then Oakland had they had Too Short and Too

654
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: Short had what I call that street swagger that was

655
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: missing in the world. Now, let's just say, if Eminem

656
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: and Doctor J were to co signed Too Short, he'd

657
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: have been a rock star. Wow, he would have been

658
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: a rock star. But it's all based on marketing. It's

659
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: all about you got the machine behind you, and that's

660
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: the difference in success.

661
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: Tupacin Big, you had a relationship with both of those

662
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: guys and you were with them days before they passed.

663
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: That's crazy, let's get you know that. Yeah, they died

664
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: in different years.

665
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 4: You're apart.

666
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: One of the ninety six and the other was like

667
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: March of ninety seven.

668
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: But very Yeah, I've been blessed to be both sides

669
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: of the game. Big and Us is type me, little

670
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: Kim even Puff you know before the freak offs right,

671
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: you know? And don't everybody know Puff used to throw

672
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: some of the best parties in the game in the

673
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: early nineties. God bless him in his situation. What I've

674
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: learned in life through when people are in trouble, don't

675
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: wish him well, wish them, don't wish him bad, Just

676
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: to say, I wish that person the best, and thank

677
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: god it ain't me, and you move on about it. Biggie,

678
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I was with him today he died, but Tupac had

679
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: died first, and Tupac me right Vegas. It was me, Tupac,

680
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. We all hung out during that day and

681
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: after the fight, we went was going to Club six

682
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: six or Sugar was throwing a party. But my dumb

683
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: but again, I was working out and I took some

684
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: fat burner pills. Don't know why I'm not fat. I

685
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: took that burn but I'll never forget it.

686
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: If you living, that's.

687
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: Took the burn pills. But I didn't know you couldn't

688
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: drink alcohol with it. I drank alcohol later that afternoon.

689
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: So as we're going to the party, I leave them

690
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: because I'm not feeling good. Like whatever that fat Bernard did.

691
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: It did something that I never experienced for because like

692
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: you can actually feel it in your skin. Ye Oh man,

693
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was painful. I stayed in the hotel

694
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: like a week. So I saw the Tupac thing on

695
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: the news that he got shot. I was like, wow,

696
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: it's crazy and I saw I say, he's gonna be

697
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: all right. And when I started getting well, that's when

698
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: I found out he had died. So I had to

699
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: fly from Vegas to Charlotte to do a show. Yeah. Later,

700
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm hanging with Lady note black Nor, who was Puppy's

701
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: assistant at the time, and we're hanging out, Biggie and

702
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: all of us having a good times. I had a

703
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: comedy show that night at the comedy theater that the

704
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: guy Michael Williams own, And when we went to the

705
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: party on Little Breer it was at the Museum. I'll

706
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: never get BIGGI was like, t K, you be go

707
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: do your show. But the party was amazing. Oh, sharing

708
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: this party that night, it was amazing.

709
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: In those situations, TK, did you did the day see?

710
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: Did anything seem off? Did it seem like a normal

711
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: Saturday or normal Friday or whatever.

712
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: The day the case. Maybe did anything seem off or

713
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: just seemed like a normal day.

714
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: It seemed like a normal day. But I saw all

715
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: the street guys. I's all the gang members there. Everybody

716
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: was in suit stuff, right, I said, a ship, This

717
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: shit ain't gonna last. That's what I felt, right, So

718
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I wound up me and I'm always pulling women. It's

719
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: not the three girls. We get in the whip and

720
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: I go through my show, but we're coming right back.

721
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: I got a certain time I gotta be there. I'm

722
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: going I'm coming back, said, I'm coming back, coming down

723
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: Woolsher see all the police cars, and my man said,

724
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: k Biggie got shot. They can't get shot. The brushing

725
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: it off. I go hang out with Outcasts because they

726
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: on Sunset Boulevard getting ready to do their album release,

727
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: and I wound up hosting their party. After I'm hosting

728
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: the party, I walked into this other room and I'm

729
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: looking out on Sunset Boulevard. I'm just staring. I said,

730
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: maybe Biggie did get shot. Hopped in the car, and

731
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: something just told me to go to SI Night Hospital

732
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: see Side Night. And I walked up to Leo thee

733
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: shout out to Lada and talked ten years. She said

734
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: Biggie died and I said what And I was just

735
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: standing there and I never kept staying at this hotel

736
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: in Culver City, and I went in and caught my

737
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: mom and told that Biggie had died. And the reason

738
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: why I called my mother because my brother died in

739
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. But he Biggie got shot on the

740
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: day my brother's birthday. It was March ninth, so that

741
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: was my brother's birthday, even though he was the CISA,

742
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: And I was talking to my mom about that, and

743
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: that was the story. I've been in some crazy situations

744
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: with people in their death. Even when my guy was

745
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: fathers from the Old Jays Okay, yeah, what's his name? Okay,

746
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: his father's OJ's both of them passed away. He said,

747
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: the beard have you said, dude, Lavert jer Vert? Yeah,

748
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: so me and the jailer birth is probably do these

749
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: years later and jerli Vert dies before the night before

750
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: we do our concert. And I just never forget that,

751
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: to see these gentlemen passed away in my journey of entertainment,

752
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: And like I said, you've seen so much depth that

753
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: affects everybody different.

754
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

755
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: And it's something that you said that was very important.

756
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate this shit because I've been doing this since

757
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I was burying people, since ibusly loving. So I don't

758
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: take nothing for granted. And I know people can pull

759
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: you away from it. People can really bring you down

760
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: to their level and destroy your life. And what people

761
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: need to understand is don't allow no one to destroy

762
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: your life. You got to love yourself that much. And

763
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: what David Cleiman had taught me, he said, TK, you're

764
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: not afraid of nothing. I said, what do you mean?

765
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: He said, you're not afraid to go to jail. He said,

766
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: you got to be afraid. He says, nothing wrong with

767
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: being afraid, be afraid that you don't end up there.

768
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: And I've always took that for the rest of my life.

769
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: Are you surprised?

770
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: Biggie went to Cali considering that he knew how the

771
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: West Coast felt about East Coast and East Coast felt

772
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: about West Coast, especially because, like you said, Tupac had

773
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: just died.

774
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't even a year.

775
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: I think Tupac died in like September October, and here

776
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: it was March, and Biggie is in Cali knowing how

777
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: the West coast failed about the East coast.

778
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: It's called inexperience. When you don't know, you think everything's

779
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Everything ye right. So when my boy

780
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: got locked up, saying that he was the guy with

781
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: the situation behind bigger getting killed, my business, my partner,

782
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: my street gut everybone.

783
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: Zip.

784
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: They said Puffy had gave everybody Zip a million, and

785
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: Zip never gave it to the people to do the shooting.

786
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: But the shooting happened, right, so everybody Zip died. But

787
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: they knew me and him was a partners. So the

788
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: room on the street was I had got the million

789
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: because me and him was tight. But I want everybody

790
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: know I don't know nothing about no money. That was it.

791
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: You've also been preaching on the album you worked with

792
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: Missy Elliott, Madonna, Gwen Stefani, and I want to get

793
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: to ask you this. But when I go back and

794
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: I think of Missy, I think of creativity. Yes, I

795
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: think of the videos. I think she was ahead of

796
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: her time. I don't think she gets the credit that

797
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: she deserves. And that's not a knock on anybody that's

798
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: currently that's in the genre that she's in. But Missy

799
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: was way ahead of her time. She was futuristic.

800
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: Yep.

801
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's twenty eighty five and it happened to be

802
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: in the nineties early two thousand when she was doing

803
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: her thing.

804
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: I told her she was creative in the videos. She

805
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: was very unique, very creative, and I love that about it.

806
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean you can say is she was great. I mean,

807
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: you have the female rappers today and they're good knock nobody,

808
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: but everything in the nineties when it came to hip hop,

809
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: it was on a whole nother level, whole another level,

810
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's good to know. I'm glad. So now it's

811
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: part of it, you.

812
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: Know what I want. That's what I want to ask you.

813
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: People say, like somebody can do an album, like, man,

814
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: you do an album and you're really good, you have success,

815
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: but I want to see him do something else. He

816
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 3: does something else, man, I want the old guy back.

817
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's yeah, it's like you know change, you know,

818
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: it's inevitable, yes, and you know you see an actor, man,

819
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: that's all he does is that. I want to see

820
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: him do something else. And then when he does, he

821
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: or she does something else, man, I don't like. I

822
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: want him to see the old things. So how do

823
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: we get Because you see a lot of a lot

824
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: of rappers, a lot of entertainers, be at R and

825
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: B whatever the case may be, they try to expand

826
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: kudos to Beyonce. Yes, because I don't know if I

827
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: would have had to go country, which is so far

828
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: away from the genre that she's in.

829
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: And she says, I don't care, I'm gonna do it.

830
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: Do you understand the hoods for the courage that it

831
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: takes to do what she did, because I don't know

832
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: if I don't know if I can honestly say I've

833
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: seen someone do it to the level I'm here, but

834
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna go way over here and get the

835
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: acclaim and the adoration that she's.

836
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: There, and that's you hit that right under now. Most

837
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: people don't understand how hard that is to do because

838
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: it's very it's possibly yeah, and she's actually done it.

839
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: She's actually done you know.

840
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: And the tour, I guess the tour has done so

841
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: that nineteen sold I showed all the money that she's

842
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: been able to accumulate. But I don't think she did

843
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: it for the money. I think I think she strikes

844
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: me as a young as a woman that likes to

845
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: challenge herself.

846
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: It seems that way. It definite says you gotta like

847
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: a challenge, TK. If you do that, now, yeah, you

848
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: have to. For her to go way country, amazing, It's

849
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: truly amazing. I met her, I met Beyonce say a

850
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: few times, beautiful woman, stunning, and I'm glad jay Z

851
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: pulled her. Yeah, yeah he pulled because a lot of

852
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: people's after her, you know. And I remember all of

853
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: us saying out Aliyah, Beyonce, A Dan, the Lewis God,

854
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: bless the God, bless Ananda, and I've seen everything from

855
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Lane in the cut, you know, because they used to

856
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: always say t K. You like the headline because I

857
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: always kept a bad breathing on me, you know what

858
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So they was like, who is t K?

859
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: Because I always kept a following. I kept one, kept one,

860
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: no doubt about it.

861
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question that the TK, because

862
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: you you've been, like you said, you've been at this

863
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: thing since the eighties.

864
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 4: What happened to the music video?

865
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, like the music video with you? Yes and

866
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: Missy we go back to Missy but the black men.

867
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: I missed the days of MTV or in whatever the

868
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: case be. When I saw the music, I get excited

869
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: the song and I'm like, oh man, I can't wait.

870
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: I can't wait for that. Yes, I can't wait to

871
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: see what this video is gonna be. What happened to

872
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: the music video?

873
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: AI? AI changed the game They started in the music business,

874
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: so many executives lost their job. They cut down the budgets.

875
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Now they want artists to be pretty much famous before

876
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: they take you on. Because social media YouTube, they won't

877
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: know how many the YouTube followers you have, how many

878
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: songs got played. It's big numbers, right, So nobody wants

879
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: to work no more. Nobody wants to even it's just nothing.

880
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: Well, if I build it up, I don't really need you.

881
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna be on my YouTube channel, I'm gonna

882
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 3: build up my social media, my ig, my Twitter, my threads,

883
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be.

884
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: TikTok. Why the hell I need you?

885
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: If I got all this, if I got across the board,

886
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: I got thirty million, why do I need you.

887
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: I respect what you're saying, but most men don't think

888
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: the way you think. Oh, I think they think they

889
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: need someone. And in today's world, you don't need a

890
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: code signer. Today, you got your phone today, you can

891
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: really market yourself and be a young boy. Is the

892
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: prime example of what I'm saying, multi multi, multi millionaire,

893
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't need nobody, and you don't see no hardly,

894
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: no videos. Only thing. He had his little his own

895
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: personal problem, but he was very successful at it. So

896
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: when people come to me and say, TK what do

897
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: you think I'm trying to get on? I said, why

898
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: are you trying to get signed? I said, you could

899
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: do it, y'all, y'all do it yourself, don't you know?

900
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: I had wanted to do Netflix and I still do

901
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: want to do it because the people are so brainwashed

902
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: they think to make it you have to be on that.

903
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: But I have my own network called tkkirk tk dot network.

904
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you saw what a sadik did? You

905
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: saw what are the jay is? Some people are just

906
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: doing it and going on YouTube, So you theory I

907
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 3: mean you could do that is. I mean, look, I

908
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: think Netflix is a wonderful platform. They do an unbelievable job.

909
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: But I think the thing is now, in today's time,

910
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 3: you can.

911
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Do it yourself and you cut out the middle man.

912
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: You know what your cover of your project is going

913
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: to be, Yeah, you know the date that you want

914
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: to release it. That's important to me because one thing,

915
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: I never had an agent, never had a manager, really

916
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: never done everything on my own. And I just don't

917
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: like the fact you have to call someone and wait

918
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: for them to call you back, or someone to say

919
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: that out of the country, or someone say they're doing

920
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: something when what you're about to ask them is on

921
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: to go take thirty seconds. But because they took a week,

922
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: two weeks, maybe a month, you get frustrated. I never

923
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: like that. So when I've always been my own man.

924
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: So when I snatched up d L. Hugeley, when I

925
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: stashed up Godfrey, when I snatched up Mike Apps, Sandra Bullock,

926
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: I taught all of them the game, you know, because

927
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: I was in the streets. I had to really stay

928
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: low key because my partner is Tommy Cestero and David Cleman,

929
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: two Jewish guys who loved them very dearly. I was confused,

930
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: young kid. They pretty much said, TK, you got to

931
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: fall back because you're about to about money. That's about

932
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: to say because you don't know what you want to

933
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: do yet, but you ain't gonna right. So but he said,

934
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: TK is gonna be the easiest money you'll ever make

935
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: in your life. But nothing got done unless they rane

936
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: it past me. That's what I liked about these gentlemen.

937
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: So everything from Sandra Bullock.

938
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: You know when we did Night Little, you had a

939
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 4: nice little.

940
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Not just her. I had Anthony, Michael Hall, Wow, John Lucasamo,

941
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: all these guys on the artistry management. But because of

942
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: me going through what I was going through at that time,

943
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I had to stay low key. I was still getting

944
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: a check right. So it teaches you things. But I've

945
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: always taught independence, are always taught ownership. It's just like

946
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: you running your own podcast. You're your own boss. And

947
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: we want to show men and women to put themselves

948
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: in position to be on. I hate that somebody got

949
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: to say to someone. I got to speak to my

950
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: boss on Tuesdays, see if I can make my son's

951
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: graduation right. No disrespect, no man to me. She had

952
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: to live like that. That's just me.

953
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing is, how do you see yourself?

954
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: Do you see yourself as talent or you see yourself

955
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: as ownership? That's true, talent, they cut you a check.

956
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: You do collabse well.

957
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: One rule I got I signed in front of the check.

958
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my name is in the top left.

959
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I signed check. That's something that I truly believe in.

960
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: I signed the front of the check.

961
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: TK. When you came up comedians, basically you had to

962
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 4: hit the circuit. You're black.

963
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: You probably started out on the Chicklin circuit and you

964
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: go to these little small clubs. Maybe there were twenty

965
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: thirty people in their piling and you tell you get

966
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: ten five, ten minutes, and you keep it moving. You

967
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: probably fifteen twenty shows a week, Yes, because.

968
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 4: You're just trying to make it true.

969
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: Now you see comedians they can get on and do

970
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: a skit on social media.

971
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: And blow up just like that.

972
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: It is so different now than what it was then.

973
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: What do you like now about this new the new comedians?

974
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: What is it?

975
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: Because I mean I get different results. I mean something like, yeah,

976
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: it's easy to do a skit, and it's easy to

977
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 3: be good for a year, But can you be good

978
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: and you're five, you be year? Good's I can say

979
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty thirty. I'm looking from my entrepreneur thing. I

980
00:52:52,920 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: believe that things change, right Jake Paul and boxing. Yeah right,

981
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 3: but he and his brother doing the same in comedy. Right,

982
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: you created a gimmick and you won at the end

983
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: of the day. I always tell people when you're in

984
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 3: line at the bank, the teller doesn't care how you

985
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 3: got your money.

986
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: You could be a whole he could be a thief.

987
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Lord looked the same as Green.

988
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: All looked the same. So everybody gets they money a

989
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: different way.

990
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 4: Correct.

991
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: I respect what happened for him, wish him the best.

992
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of the mountain, so I'm

993
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: not really I don't care about certain things, right, I

994
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: just live life. I see things change. I just know

995
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: that I took care of me. I look amazing from

996
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: my age. Right. I'm healthy. I go to the doctor

997
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: every I don't go to doctor once a year. I

998
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: go to doctor every four months. Yeah, because I don't

999
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: want nothing catching me slipping like I'm that kind of man. Right,

1000
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: So it's good to see it. And I wished all

1001
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: the do.

1002
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 3: You like me anything? Start to feel bad? Man, ain't

1003
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with you. I want the doctor to tail me.

1004
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with you. You ain't got no mate, I

1005
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: ain't got no game. I love life shatting so much

1006
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: that I don't play with it. Right, I beat the odds,

1007
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: Like I told you off air, I really love this Yo.

1008
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: I love life. I'm not gonna let nobody take it

1009
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: away from me. I'm not gonna let nobody pull me

1010
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: down to their level of disrespect because I've been in jail.

1011
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: I've been my life almost taken away. I told the

1012
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: story of years ago one time I got locked up

1013
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: in LA and didn't care about it now, but it's

1014
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: interesting today. The Menendaz Brothers is in my chamber. Damn

1015
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: who's in protective custody? See, most people think you're punk

1016
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: if you protective custody, But what LA does is if

1017
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: you're famous, you go there because they don't want to

1018
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: deal with general population. So it's the Menendas Brothers, Rick James, Tupac,

1019
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: and me all in the same cell that week, so

1020
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: you could still hear other people talk. And what they

1021
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: said to me. This is hilarious. Scott is saying that

1022
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: they said, t K tell us a joke, because you know,

1023
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: Rick James really loved me, and I said, I ain't

1024
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: telling a joke. ONNA fight the case right.

1025
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 4: It tried to be funny.

1026
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Listen to me. Do you know the motherfuckers booed me

1027
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: and l a kind of I'll never forget that I'm

1028
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: talking about. It had to be two hundred some people

1029
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: booed me. Yo, it was like the garden. It was

1030
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: that loud, I'll never forget. And I wound up telling

1031
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: some joke and they loved it. And I never forget that.

1032
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: You gotta be the only, the only, the only, the

1033
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: only Nija that got booed in jail.

1034
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: I got booed, U boo, I mean that got booed? Wow?

1035
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: How did you? How did you meet Mike Yeps, Mike Gaps?

1036
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: I loved that gentleman. When I was touring, I used

1037
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: to go in the clubs and right before I would

1038
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: go on, I always sat in the back and watch comics. Now,

1039
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: my blueprint was Easy and those guys, because Easy was

1040
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and I knew that I had a different

1041
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: style of comedy and I needed comics. That was gonna

1042
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring on to get him a TV

1043
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: and film to help pave the way. And I was

1044
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna be the sling shot, come right behind them, right right.

1045
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: That was my goal. So I watched Mike Gaps for

1046
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: a year, and I felt like he wasn't ready. When

1047
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: I came back the following year, I saw him again.

1048
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: It was him and the gentleman, the Nard. They both

1049
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: were good. I used to cease them, and I had

1050
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: a choice to see which person I was going to pick,

1051
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: and I talked to Mike Caps. I said, Yo, come

1052
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: meet me in New York. He believe him. I got

1053
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: him New York, stayed at my business manager's apartment, and

1054
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: boomed the vessel's history. And he went on to be very, very,

1055
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: very successful. And I you know, I know Mike for

1056
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: so long and just to see his achievements is just

1057
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: a blessing. So that's that's That's pretty much how I

1058
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: met Mike. It was at the Atlanta Comedy Theater in Atlanta, Georgia,

1059
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: way back in the day, like nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one.

1060
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: It seems to be a lot of natural. The progression

1061
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: is a comedian starts on stage and then he goes

1062
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: into the movies. Yes, you know Richard pryor, yes, Eddie Murphy.

1063
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been so many. Who is it Bernie

1064
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: mac Bernie? We see, said the entertained as you know,

1065
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: even cat there have been so many d l.

1066
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: Of TV. Yeah, sure it is is that? Is that?

1067
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: What was that? Something?

1068
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: That is that?

1069
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: A natural progression is that you see you guy, because

1070
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: you're used to performing, you can perform.

1071
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: In front of it.

1072
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: You know, a thousand, two thousand and five thousand people.

1073
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: You definitely can perform in front of a camera, in

1074
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: front of the audience two hundred people.

1075
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: Easy. Two things. One, I never cared. I had this philosophy.

1076
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: I pretty much taught those guys the game. And I

1077
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: was had a choice. When you go for an audition,

1078
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: somebody's about to make a choice on your life. They

1079
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: have to like you out of all these people that

1080
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: your everybody's audition for the same spot. I never wanted

1081
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: to be a part of that competition really never. My

1082
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: thing was what's real. What's real was doing the show

1083
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: and the money was in my hand. This was maybe

1084
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: I got to get somebody to like me. It's levels

1085
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: to entertainment. Then let's say you get the gig. You

1086
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: have to do a pilot. Now the executives of the

1087
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: company have to like you to give you a green light.

1088
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Then if you get on air, you have to hope

1089
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: that the Midwestern and the rest of the country because

1090
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: it's all about ratings to the rest of the country.

1091
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Like like you, I couldn't put my life in those

1092
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: people's hands.

1093
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: You look, you want inftant money. I get on the stage,

1094
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: henv me my check, heaving my cash your check, how

1095
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: well we would pay?

1096
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: And I'm more successful than the people who have done

1097
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: TV in film. Wow. See what the illusion is that

1098
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: everybody thought because you saw such in a movie or

1099
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: such as a TV show, that they was rich. But

1100
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: I played. I bet it on me every day. I

1101
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: may not have done what Kevin Harts and most comics

1102
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: have done, and most comedians who don't most people in

1103
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: this country and world who don't have a high comra,

1104
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: I Q that's how they base success. You have to

1105
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: be on TV. I went for the bread. I knew

1106
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: how to do stocks, I knew how to save and

1107
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: it paid off. So when I talked to certain people,

1108
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, you're a millionaire. What do you mean?

1109
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I said, dog, I know you a millionaire. I'm not

1110
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna say what I got, but I know I got

1111
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: an M behind my name. Wow, I know I got

1112
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: M right, I know I got M and it's not.

1113
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: One thing I've learned in life is not how much

1114
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: you make, It is how much you can keep.

1115
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1116
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: See, I flost a little bit, and you know I

1117
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: got little stuff I put.

1118
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: I mean is the thing?

1119
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean?

1120
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: You work hard.

1121
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we didn't come to stay.

1122
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: That's so true.

1123
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: Boy, boy, we ain't come to stay.

1124
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: That's right.

1125
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be frivolous, Yes, but I think I

1126
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: should enjoy myself. I enjoy yourself because guess what, you know?

1127
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: What you notice once and then once I got into

1128
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: position TK and out and I will know what you

1129
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: think about this is that I started to notice people

1130
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: people saying people enjoy your money more than you.

1131
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: They damn sure do.

1132
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: So while I'm sitting here saving, I can't buy this

1133
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: and I can't do that. I promise you if you

1134
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: when you go from here and you leave it to

1135
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: somebody else, they gonna enjoy it.

1136
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna enjoy it. And that's why I teach my

1137
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: kids respect money. Yes, and my business partner, David Cleammen,

1138
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: used to always say, TK, don't you get old and

1139
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: be broke? Oh? Yes, bad? He said, don't you get

1140
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: old and be broken? I want people to listen to

1141
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's not a good look. You play,

1142
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: You play with your life all you want, all your

1143
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: camera people, all you're listening people that's gonna be watching.

1144
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 1: And it's worse now.

1145
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: Cause it ain't gonna be no medicaid, ain't no medicare.

1146
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's worse now. It's about to we about to

1147
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: see something. I mean you older men, We're about to

1148
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: see something we've never seen before. And it's coming. And

1149
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: if you didn't respect money, right, if you didn't respect

1150
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: your health, you're done. I don't know, I'll say it.

1151
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: I read a lot and over eighty percent of this

1152
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: country don't even have five thousand dollars in the bank account.

1153
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: I read that you saw whatever, right, Yeah?

1154
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 4: What was like if if you have like ten thousand

1155
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: and no debt, you're in like the top the country,

1156
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: ten thousand, ten thousands with no debt.

1157
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: It's insane and I we can't save the world. Right,

1158
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: hurts me sometimes I'm being honest, right, sometimes, which I

1159
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: could do every something for everybody, right. I wish I

1160
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: had Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos money and I would

1161
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: give everybody a check. But that's not the way. Yeah,

1162
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: but but I do.

1163
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 4: But you you like me?

1164
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: You like I'm like that TK, cause I got a

1165
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: heart and I hate to see people struggling.

1166
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: Like but I can't save. And we live in the

1167
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: world of social media. Everybody lies. People get on my

1168
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: social media's some women I got, I got three kids,

1169
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: I need blah blah blah, and you don't know whether

1170
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: to believe them because so many people lie, and you

1171
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: don't want to, like I don't want to get played right,

1172
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: And then if I take a deep I'm like, yo,

1173
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: you you had sex to three men, and you're struggling

1174
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: your choices.

1175
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 4: Probably like you probably struggling with the first one. Exactly,

1176
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 4: put yourself back in that situation for the segment.

1177
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: Men about caliber. We don't like to make decisions like that, Like,

1178
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to be in that situation.

1179
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: All I could do is just pray for some men

1180
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: reach out to me. Hating you know who you and

1181
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: know all this and I met the movies now he

1182
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: got a Texas dudes out of nowhere was f you

1183
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: And because of my exactly, I said, how is it?

1184
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: How was it in that small apartment? I said, how

1185
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: are you doing that small apartment like I had to

1186
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: mess with though I don't know you. I don't know you.

1187
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: And to the people listening at you for a situation, yeah,

1188
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: don't be mad at me because I worked through my thing.

1189
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: One dude talking about you, we don't care about you.

1190
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: You don't represent the struggle. I don't want to have

1191
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the struggle.

1192
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I struggled.

1193
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: I struggle. Yeah, I'm in my Like I said, I'm

1194
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: close to seventy. I want all of you people to

1195
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: work hard and make it. I promise you, because it's

1196
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing when you overcome and achieve. Like I

1197
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: told some gentlemen that you don't become a man until

1198
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: you're forty two years old, and one dude said, I'm

1199
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: a man now at twenty nine. And when I said,

1200
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: you got to be in your fifties and sixties to

1201
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: look back. You gotta have that much knowledge in life.

1202
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 4: You get to have some different distance.

1203
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: To see when you became a man. You ain't a

1204
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: man at twenty nine. You might be responsible, you might

1205
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: have kids, you might have bought a home.

1206
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 4: I haven't lived long enough.

1207
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: Haven't lived long enough. You got to be in our

1208
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: age rack Bracket to look back to know when that happened.

1209
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 4: But you know a lot of times people see where

1210
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 4: we are and not where we came from.

1211
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: True.

1212
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 4: And I said something.

1213
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: I was on nightcap with Ocho, and I said, you

1214
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: never judge a man by where he's standing, because you

1215
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: don't know how far he's come.

1216
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: That's so true.

1217
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 4: So you look at somebody that's laying on the street,

1218
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 4: but yesterday he was under the bridge.

1219
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: So true.

1220
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: So while you judge me from where I am, do

1221
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 3: you know where I've come from? You look at you say,

1222
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: well he's a failure. No, there's just delayed success. Yes, right,

1223
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: I'm on a success story. Yes, And so I think

1224
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 3: the thing is when people get upset, oh you got this,

1225
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: you got that. But do you see from nineteen sixty

1226
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 3: eight to nineteen eighty eight when I didn't have that?

1227
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: Right? And it's all the old game, right, remember was

1228
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: coming up? We saw the older men and women successful. Yeah,

1229
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: and they worked hard. You saw mister Williams and he's

1230
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: opened the door for his wife, but they just went

1231
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: to church. He got the nice coat on and the

1232
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: nice slacks, and you could tell he's walking with success.

1233
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: He earned it.

1234
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 5: Right.

1235
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: See, when hip hop came run wrong with hip hop,

1236
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: it changed the mindset of the world. Everybody thought you

1237
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: can get successful overnight, but ody most millionaires are created

1238
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: in their sixties, fifties and sixties. If you can get

1239
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: money your twines in the thirties, I'm happy for you,

1240
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: but it be you keep it in the forties and fifties.

1241
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: Here's the curse. When I saw the o Kellys, the

1242
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: Puffy Combs, most young young, most young singers and rappers

1243
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: who got rich in their twenties, it created ego, and

1244
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: the ego all came back to bite them in they

1245
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: ass when they became a man. When I saw people

1246
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: success come later because they truly earned it. You see, character, respect, honor,

1247
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: Most people don't have at And that's why we have

1248
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: the issues that we have, from Sugar to Puffy to Kelly. Right,

1249
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: because the ego got in the way and it destroyed them.

1250
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: And I've seen it even when you when people's hustling

1251
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: and they came into money, if it messed up their

1252
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: ego and destroyed them. And if you take your time,

1253
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: you may not seem like you could do it now,

1254
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: but one day you will be sixty something years old.

1255
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: And if you take care of so you won't be

1256
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: a fat, old slav or old guy. You'll still have

1257
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: some type of health, right and you but you hope

1258
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: you can be sixty. You hope. You hope that's not

1259
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: promised to you when we notice.

1260
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, because everybody, everybody got an apartment, they can't reschedule.

1261
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: That's right.

1262
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 4: You just don't know where it is, that's right.

1263
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: But all you can do with the universe is extend

1264
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: your contract, so you take care of your health. The

1265
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: universe wants to see you win. If you do right,

1266
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: they'll extend another three weeks of another three sixty five, right,

1267
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: That's how I see the universe. They want to see

1268
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: you win. You are the person sabotage in your life.

1269
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 3: Right if you could cate recreate any decade. And you're like,

1270
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: you're sixty, so you've been around for six decade. If

1271
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 3: you can recreate any decade, what decade would you recreate now?

1272
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 4: Right now?

1273
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, because all the things I went through when

1274
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: I was coming up people, you know, I think he

1275
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: was a bad person, you think he was on the

1276
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: on the wrong path of life. Then you get to

1277
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: be my age and you understand the universe. Right, So

1278
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: the universe is set me here to teach me these

1279
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: lives lessons. And you can't teach nobody nothing. They've ain't

1280
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: been through nothing. So everything I went through made me

1281
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: the man I am today. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm independent,

1282
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: kids have graduated from college, I got grandkids. I live

1283
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: to see that. You understand what I mean. I live

1284
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: to see it. People were watching us, they won't make

1285
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: it to that, or they have grandchildren already at a

1286
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 1: young age. But there's nothing like it the way to me,

1287
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: the way you're really supposed to go. You're supposed to

1288
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: get your grandkids in your fifties and sixties, that at thirty,

1289
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: that at forty. Right, it's just being honest, right, you know,

1290
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: because you want to have so much wisdom and knowledge

1291
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: that you can teach your grandchildren something. If you haven't

1292
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: grandkids in your forties, you pretty much they don't see

1293
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 1: the nonsense that you still have in your life. And

1294
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: that's just not I don't.

1295
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 4: Agree with that. You met early in your career, Keenan,

1296
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 4: Richard Pryor Prince. What was it like to meet?

1297
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they weren't at the level that they became

1298
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 3: so you got them in their early years. Yes, and

1299
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: to see them, to see Keenan Iry Williams and to

1300
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 3: see what he created with a living color, and you

1301
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: see him you know him and Robert Townsend writing, and

1302
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: you see what he's been able to do with his brothers,

1303
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 3: Marlon and Sean and Damon. You see Richard Pryor goes

1304
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: without saying.

1305
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 4: And Prince the way he could write, to play all

1306
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 4: the instruments, could entertain.

1307
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: He's one of one and we might not ever see

1308
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: anything like totally agree.

1309
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 4: Did you understand that you were in the presence of greatness?

1310
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: Then no, he took it for granted because we didn't

1311
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: know because we were kids, right. Prince was a phenomenal guy,

1312
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: saw his career take off. But Prince used to have

1313
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: a club in Minnesota that he used to do comedy

1314
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: shows because he was a big fan of comedy and

1315
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: loved TK. I get excited when I tell how these

1316
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: interviews because I started thinking about what I've accomplienced. Shit

1317
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: is amazing.

1318
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 4: Did he have the club before Graham slam or first

1319
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 4: af after after?

1320
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: And he was just amazing. I remember being in the

1321
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: studio and he had like twenty pieces of equipment. Here,

1322
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 1: go to each one to set it up. Yeah, you know,

1323
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: you know that's impressive now. Back then you just think

1324
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 1: that's what. Yeah, it's insane when you talk about Richard Pryor.

1325
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: I was getting my master's degree at cal State Northridge

1326
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: in California. I lived on Parthenia Avenue. I lift two

1327
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: doors from rich Prior. Didn't even know it at the time.

1328
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: He did two doors down for me. I was on

1329
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: the track scholarship, so they had me this beautiful home

1330
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: on Parthenia and I got to meet Richard Pryor down

1331
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,560
Speaker 1: the line and me being crazy, I always say I

1332
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: wish I could have saw him running down Parthenia on fire,

1333
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: because I would have told him I need a certain

1334
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: amount of money. I would throw this warter on it.

1335
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, that was almost my inside joke, you know,

1336
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: I wish I saw him on fire so I could

1337
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: bargain with him to get a few dollars. Crazy story

1338
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: and Keenan to this day is the Kennedy's of comedy.

1339
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: I'll say the Kennedy's and the Jackson Five. He understood

1340
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: the game. He took care of his family.

1341
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 4: He put Damon and Marlin last one cam.

1342
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: Yes, every last one, which was phenomenal. And when you

1343
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: grow up in the family you see brothers and sisters arguing,

1344
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 1: you think that might be the way the world's supposed

1345
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: to be. And then it's the Wayans, and they show

1346
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: you how family is supposed to take care of each

1347
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: other because of Keenan. Mostly all them are millionaires because

1348
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: of Keenan. Most of them have a job. And I've

1349
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: seen it all right, and I haven't seen Keenan in years.

1350
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: But he put me in I'm gonna get you sucker.

1351
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: He put me in I'm Gonna get your sucker. And

1352
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't really really doing stand up at that time,

1353
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: but he liked me as a person. Robert Townsend put

1354
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: me in the Black to bowl the Beautiful. He loved

1355
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: me as a comedian. I played the butler and the

1356
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: black to bowl the Beautiful. And here talking to you, Shad,

1357
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just so thankful about.

1358
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: Whatever accomplished, because I think the thing is is like

1359
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 3: when you're an athlete, or you anytime, any anything, and

1360
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 3: you have success, I don't know if you really get

1361
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 3: an opportunity to enjoy it while you're in it. I

1362
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: totally agree, because you don't want it to go away.

1363
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 3: So I got to stay focused on this. And then

1364
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: when you're done, and as you get older, you're getting

1365
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 3: to your forties and the career is starting to dwindle

1366
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 3: down and you're not doing it as much. You're getting

1367
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 3: to your fifties or sixties. You're still doing comedy and

1368
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 3: hopefully you can continue it for as long as you want.

1369
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 3: But sometimes, like when you're in stuff, I really never

1370
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 3: appreciated my career when I was in it because I

1371
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: was too caught up in it and I was so

1372
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: afraid that it might go away.

1373
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 4: So I didn't get an opportunity to enjoy it, like, man,

1374
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 4: I want a Super Bowl, I did this.

1375
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: Or I did that.

1376
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: Now I get an opportunity to look back, you know,

1377
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 3: twenty plus years after my career, and I was like, damn, I.

1378
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 4: Guess I guess I was.

1379
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess that's so true. It's a beautiful feeling, man,

1380
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, beautiful feeling. And people always want

1381
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: to know when I'm getting married. That's been this big thing.

1382
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: I told you.

1383
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it on your show. I've been

1384
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: married now over thirty years.

1385
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: Oh, you're back to the game of comedy, Hud.

1386
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm married to the old mighty man God, that's who

1387
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm married to, you know, so I still have my fun. Yeah.

1388
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: You know, I got somebody who I love that I

1389
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: gave a PDD too. You know. You know PDD is

1390
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: a proper dick down because when people on social media,

1391
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna die loan and all. And I tell people

1392
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: I got news for You're gonna die by yourself anyway.

1393
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't nobody jumping in there with you

1394
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: like people are crazy me yay yah yo's people. It's

1395
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: insane with that.

1396
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 3: Yo.

1397
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: So I'm all right, Shannon. Yeah, I'm Almo Shan. I'm

1398
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: on Shannon Shop. Yo, listen, listen to me. I I

1399
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: predicted I was gonna be on your show three years ago.

1400
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking time to come on it three

1401
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: years ago.

1402
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: Telling my team they said, k we need to do

1403
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: I said, calm down. That's how I always moved. Calm down.

1404
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen.

1405
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 4: Gonna happen.

1406
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: It's in the universe, alreadie, and it has to come

1407
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: natural because if we go after it, we ain't gonna

1408
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: get it. Y'all called me yes, which is beautiful and

1409
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: when a team calls you, you know you want it.

1410
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: And I always tell people, go will you're celebrated, not tolerated, correct,

1411
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: and you're celebrating me, And that's it's a difference.

1412
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 4: Right uh.

1413
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: And Charlie you met them you you Yes, it's a

1414
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: it's and I knew it was coming, but let me

1415
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: share it with you. All I could say with the

1416
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: Charlie Murphys because everybody thought it was Eddie Murphy, but

1417
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: it's really Charlie Murphy. All I all I can say.

1418
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I never got a chance to apologize to you, Charlie

1419
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: because he had died.

1420
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 4: So you a kleptoe back then.

1421
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't a clep though. I was just doing

1422
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: stupid you, just Steve, No, I was just doing stupid shit.

1423
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, why you take the man, Rolex TK.

1424
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: I was just doing stupid shit. It was a bad thing.

1425
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I was nineteen years old, twenty

1426
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: years old. So how long had you known him, Charlie.

1427
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know him that long at all, damn TK.

1428
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a bad situation and you made it.

1429
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you went to jail for a couple a

1430
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: couple of things, but I'm saying you and you made

1431
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 3: it to be sixty six.

1432
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 4: You really blessed. I see why you turned your life over.

1433
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: To the man. Yes, right right?

1434
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 4: Are you?

1435
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: Like hold on, I'm I'm living foul out here? Did

1436
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: you think did you think about it at the time? Like,

1437
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: because like when you're doing stuff, TK you don't really

1438
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: think bad stuff gonna happen? Like no, I agree, you

1439
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: don't really think about it, and then you get back

1440
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 3: and look back.

1441
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: Like, damn, but I was crazy when I was young.

1442
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, man, using them street streets.

1443
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't know that. People I've given so many

1444
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: people a past over the last ten years, is that

1445
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: things have happened. They have no idea the kind of

1446
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: man I used to be, but.

1447
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 4: That grew out of you or you, I mean the

1448
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 4: man that you are now. So is it like you're like,

1449
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 4: you know what you at peace now with who you are?

1450
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 3: Obviously you say you're a man of God, and you know,

1451
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: talking a little bit, I can see that in you.

1452
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: So you think that's what it is?

1453
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: I think you grow up.

1454
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 4: Got to be solved with violence. Huh.

1455
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything has to be solved with violence. And what

1456
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: you learn in life is they got a place for you. Yeah,

1457
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: you can be tough for all you want. They can

1458
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: break They got a player, and they broke me. Really yeah,

1459
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: they broke me because I was on probation for like

1460
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: twenty years. Damn. Yeah, so you understand, but not in

1461
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: one state. I will get in trouble in one state,

1462
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: they give me five years.

1463
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 4: It moved to another one.

1464
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: They're not get in trouble in another state, they give

1465
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: me five years. Damn. So by after twenty years, I

1466
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: had submitted understood because they wasn't playing. They wasn't playing,

1467
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: and I got in trouble with Puffy in nineteen ninety eight.

1468
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 4: It was what happened with that situation.

1469
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: I had robed Puffy and yeah, dog, I told you

1470
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: I was crazy. And the judge Margaret at that time,

1471
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: she wasn't playing, and Margaret was like, she didn't care

1472
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: about Puffy. What she cared about was how did he

1473
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: get away with all the other ship. That was her concern.

1474
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: She wasn't playing because you know, you look at somebody's record.

1475
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: She's saying, like, I should have been locked up years ago.

1476
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: How did he get to me? That means somebody wasn't

1477
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: doing any job.

1478
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 4: That's You're gonna make sure she do her She's gonna

1479
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 4: do her job.

1480
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: She and I could tell she was not playing so alpiness. Right,

1481
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: I told you I'm smart.

1482
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 4: O what you said? You know you fell at the

1483
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 4: mercy of the court.

1484
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: Say, hey, I finester. I got the best attorneys. But

1485
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: things when I say, the universe wants to see you win. Right,

1486
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: So tell you the story. I don't think I told

1487
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: it on nobody else's show. When I got arrested for

1488
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: the puffy situation, they was already looking for me. Right.

1489
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: I was on the news and all that. It was bad.

1490
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: It was bad, Yo, it was bad. My mother was embarrassed.

1491
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, you bunch, you embarrass your mom.

1492
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1493
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: So I was supposed to have a surrender date because

1494
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: I still had money. I was just doing dumb stop right, right.

1495
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: I was rich, but I was doing stupid stuff. So

1496
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: basically what I see now, I didn't. No, I don't

1497
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: think I wanted success. I think I was sabotaging myself.

1498
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: That's the only way I could look at it. I

1499
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't want that I was rich, but for some reason

1500
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be rich.

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I say, Yeah, it does because

1502
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: I had Damon Walliams on the show and he said,

1503
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: Keenan always tells the younger generation of the ways family

1504
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 3: nieces and nephews told his younger brothers. He said, you

1505
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: were born on the road to success. Why would you

1506
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 3: want to take a detour? So true, you had money,

1507
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: Why would you want a detour and do bullge eye?

1508
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes you got to go through it. And

1509
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: like I said, the universe, I said, yeah, when you

1510
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: get older, the universe wants you to go through these

1511
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: things because you're now a model to teach other people.

1512
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: Don't make them mistakes. That's what you learn you're getting

1513
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: your sixties. Yes, you don't understand that when you're younger.

1514
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 1: When you're younger, you're just looking up.

1515
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 4: And you know what Tiky I learned.

1516
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you're younger, people don't won't listen to you

1517
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: because they don't feel you've had enough experience. Once you

1518
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: get to your forty fifty, sixties and seventieses, people are like,

1519
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 3: you know what, he probably been through some things.

1520
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: I think I looked if I was great and came

1521
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: in here with a cane. Yeah, people respect what I'm saying.

1522
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: After you would, but I took care of myself. So

1523
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: it's like, nah, he don't know what they're talking about, right, Ye,

1524
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: you're right. So with the puffy thing, and this is

1525
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: how I could share with the world on how bad

1526
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: they always wanted Puffy. See even in nineteen ninety eight,

1527
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: New York didn't like him.

1528
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 4: Really oh man, but he o, g I'll be puffy.

1529
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 4: He bought and raised there.

1530
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I'm about to hear I'm about

1531
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: the rocky world. So I catched my case and I

1532
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: had a surrender date. But I don't turn myself in

1533
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: for three months.

1534
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 4: Damn.

1535
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm on the road getting my money. I told almost

1536
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: about my money. Yeah, but the FBI come into all

1537
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: my locations, houses and shit. So I finally come in.

1538
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: I got my tourneys with me and we walk in.

1539
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: We surround ourselves and they put me in the tombs

1540
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: and normally you get to tunes. It takes like a

1541
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: whole day to get out. I think I had the record, like,

1542
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I had my attorneys everything on set. We walked in

1543
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: and we was out of out of jail. I bailed

1544
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: out like less than three hours. Wow. Right, So I'm

1545
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: eating at the Shock Bar in Manhattan, used to be. Yeah,

1546
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock news. I'm sitting there eating and I

1547
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: see myself on the ten o'clock news and everybody's looking

1548
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: like like they're talking about him, but he's right. It's

1549
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I got my crew from up in Harlem all down

1550
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: there eating and the people are mad at me. You know,

1551
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 1: I got admit, they mad what I've done you. So

1552
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: I fight the case for a while and then I

1553
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: wound up getting ready to take a plead deal because

1554
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: I had a thing called predicate felon on my jacket.

1555
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: Predicated fellas you caught a felony within a.

1556
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 3: Year, another copelling after already committed one.

1557
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Mandatory for the six in New York, no negotiation four

1558
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: to six. So during that time, I fly to Vegas

1559
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gambling, and I'm gambling with some powerful people.

1560
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,879
Speaker 1: And the guy name is Tony Cappatella and Frank Naado

1561
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: you gotta google him from Long Island, powerful attorneys. And

1562
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: I explained to them what my situation is and they

1563
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: knew I was. They said, ticket, we need you to do.

1564
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: That's a favor. I was able to help them out,

1565
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: so they came to represent me. And when they came

1566
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: to represent me. I told him, I said, listen, don't

1567
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: come to this court late. I said, because this judge

1568
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: don't play. And I said, you gotta be there at nine.

1569
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: So we stayed in touch for three months. He finally came.

1570
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: He gets to court at eleven thirty, night and a half.

1571
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: He got caught in the traffic coming from Long isl But.

1572
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 4: But everybody know that.

1573
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a long it from Long Island to.

1574
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 4: The to the city.

1575
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: You don't really know what was up. But Margaret didn't care.

1576
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: Judge Margaret, she sent me to Railway State Prison in Jersey.

1577
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: And right is all ok. Rikers, Yes, sorry, Rikers, Allen.

1578
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: So I'm never for thirty days because I took my

1579
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: deal off the table because I took a deal I

1580
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: was gonna do four to six. I was gonna turn

1581
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: myself in, but when I came to court, I took

1582
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: the deal off the table. During that time, now here's

1583
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: how the universe racks with you. Puppy catches a case

1584
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: for Shine and Jennifer Lopez. Yepe fire on Jarge. The

1585
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: same people that wanted to lock Puffy up comes to

1586
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Rikers to want me to testify against Puppy Combs and

1587
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: lie and say I saw him with the gun. So

1588
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: they said, I turn. He was like, TK, you want

1589
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: to help out the prosecution. Me being smart, I said,

1590
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: I tell them to get me out of here. We

1591
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 1: could talk about it. So they don't take me out

1592
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: of the jail, but they take me from Rikers bring

1593
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: me back down to the tomb. They come down and

1594
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: the CEOs know me, and they see the FBI and everything.

1595
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: They're like, you know why all these people here. I

1596
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: got the FBI jackets sit look crazy. So they take

1597
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: me downstairs. I'm in the sedan and we're zooming through

1598
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: Manhattan to go to the club that Puffy had the shooting.

1599
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: So they wanted you. They didn't tell you what to say.

1600
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: They wanted you to read between the lines. Jennifer Blowpez

1601
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: was here, Sean was here, Puffy was here, and you

1602
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: were right here. Like I'm putting yeah, yeah, I was

1603
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: right there. I was saying, I'm right the fuck here.

1604
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: But during the time I'm ordering food, they paying for it.

1605
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting thesign. Yeah, I'm getting the three days, I'm

1606
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: eating the best for you. I'm enjoying myself. So after

1607
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: three days, my attorneys come to see me and they say, hey,

1608
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: they want to know if you're going to help them

1609
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: because they get me to go to grand jury and

1610
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: they want me to testify against the in the grand

1611
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: jury against PA. And I looked at my attorneys and

1612
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: I said, now I tell them I'm okay, I'm all

1613
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: right then with them.

1614
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 4: You don't got a belly.

1615
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 3: The prep for food got the good Drake good some

1616
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: good ones.

1617
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: That was my move. That was my move. So I

1618
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: wound up getting five years probation. That was the last

1619
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: state that I got in trouble with. No California after that.

1620
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: But by the time the last one I got, the

1621
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: last five years probation, you know, very successful. It's in California.

1622
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: It was domestic voalo case with my daughter's mother. I

1623
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: had a little issue. So I'm at work release and

1624
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm still living like a king. I'm putting a couple

1625
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: of guys that's on work and put them through college

1626
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: and put them through the RYE. It's not a major school,

1627
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: but I'm paying their way through the ride. Before Uber

1628
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Eats was out, when you being on the highway and

1629
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: picking trash and all that, I used to lunchtime, I

1630
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: will order food and have the people restaurants bring the

1631
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: food to me. And my crew were eating on side

1632
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 1: the highway. We eating in the park, living it, you know.

1633
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: But I'm still living like TK. I'm still that player.

1634
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I know that I messed up. I'm gonna get through this.

1635
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: This has taught me a lesson I'll never get I'm

1636
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: in Sam Bernardino Park, I'm picking up trash and I'm

1637
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: still famous. People still want to take a picture. So

1638
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: I got the yellow jacket on and the trees the

1639
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: thing to pick up the trash, taking pictures with people.

1640
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: But it taught me a lesson, Shannon. And when I

1641
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: got through it, I tell people the thing I wish

1642
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: for people the most. It's peace of mind. Once you

1643
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: knew what peace of mind tastes like, and you lose it,

1644
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: you'll fight forever to get it back. For sure, you

1645
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: will fight to get it back. And I fought my

1646
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: whole life to get it because I knew what it

1647
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: tastes like, I knew what it felt like, and I

1648
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let nothing else stand in my way of

1649
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: getting that feeling of being your own man, being free,

1650
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: being free, it's one of the greatest emotions any man

1651
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: or woman can have is that peace of mind? And

1652
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: once I achieved it, I made a promise to myself

1653
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: that I would never give that up for nobody.

1654
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 3: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1655
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 3: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1656
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 3: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1657
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 3: simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.