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Speaker 3: Well, the reports blamed that Anna's body was discovered under

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Speaker 1: it will say FBI and then below it will say

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Speaker 1: e r T. That actually means Evidence Response Team. And

432
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Speaker 1: these people are specifically trained to work crime scenes, all right,

433
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Speaker 1: And so any major field office like Miami Miami Dade

434
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Speaker 1: is a massive field office. They have an in dwelling lab,

435
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Speaker 1: you know, full staff of FBI agents, and the e

436
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Speaker 1: RT people are agents as well, but they're just specialized

437
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Speaker 1: in forensics. I could have sworn Dave that instill images

438
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Speaker 1: that I saw from where this thing is moored at.

439
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: You saw these people get onto the boat and they

440
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Speaker 1: were wearing those those shirts. So they dispatched a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people to the scene. I wondering what kind of

442
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Speaker 1: information they had. And this is we're getting kind of

443
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Speaker 1: in it's not really in the weeds. We're really we're

444
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Speaker 1: in our sweet spot. And from what this podcast is

445
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Speaker 1: about forensics, I wonder what information they'd been briefed on

446
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Speaker 1: before they arrived that they were going to bring out

447
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Speaker 1: this level of manpower. They responded like this to a

448
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Speaker 1: ship that's got a dead eighteen year old that's been

449
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Speaker 1: found wrapped in a blanket and covered covered in life jackets.

450
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Speaker 1: So they come up with some kind of pre knowledge.

451
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like a you know, a couple of boys

452
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Speaker 1: show up with their with their notepads and they're you know,

453
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Speaker 1: wearing the standard FBI you know, coat and tie kind.

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Speaker 1: That's not what you got going on here. You've got

455
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Speaker 1: guys showing up dressed to come out and process crime

456
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Speaker 1: seeing at this point in time, so they have data

457
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Speaker 1: when they're going in. I just want to know who

458
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Speaker 1: did the initial assessment of this at the scene to

459
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Speaker 1: say they're radio going ahead or calling ahead or whatever

460
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: they do on big ships, saying this is what we're

461
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Speaker 1: faced with, this is what we need.

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Speaker 3: Okay, no interesting to point out most people are not aware.

463
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Speaker 3: But in this case, Carnival Cruise, the Carnival Cruise ship

464
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 3: Horizon is actually flagged out of Panama, meaning that's the

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Speaker 3: nation that covers this boat. It voats in international waters,

466
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Speaker 3: and it visits ports of call all over the place.

467
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Speaker 3: But when you get right down to it, Joseph Scott Morgan,

468
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Speaker 3: Panamanian law on the boat outside in her international waters

469
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Speaker 3: is the call. And you mentioned how stacked they were

470
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Speaker 3: ready with the FBI, so they had to have been

471
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Speaker 3: told a lot. Now, eyewitness reports after the body is found,

472
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Speaker 3: the room was staked out and nobody in and out

473
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Speaker 3: the hallway locked off from the moment the body was found,

474
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Speaker 3: nobody up or down this hallway except getting your crap

475
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Speaker 3: and getting out. They blocked it off and kept it

476
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Speaker 3: blocked off. This is from eyewitness reports of travelers that

477
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Speaker 3: were on the scene. So it was secured as a

478
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Speaker 3: crime scene where her body was found, at least from

479
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Speaker 3: an eyewitness. Now my question for you, how is it possible,

480
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Speaker 3: Joseph Scott Morgan, that we start off by thinking this

481
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Speaker 3: eighteen year old girl got a trip and was there

482
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Speaker 3: by herself or with a friend, and we have the family,

483
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Speaker 3: you know, the cruise ship saying well, we have to

484
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Speaker 3: inform the family before we can release the name. And

485
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Speaker 3: we know the family is right there she's on the

486
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Speaker 3: trip with them. Okay, I want to back up and

487
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Speaker 3: tell you that the whole family was on the cruise

488
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Speaker 3: ship with her, well, not the whole all the children,

489
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Speaker 3: But she's on a cruise with her father and stepmother.

490
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Speaker 3: He's recently remarried, and so her father and stepmother and

491
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Speaker 3: other family members are on the trip. Two of the

492
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Speaker 3: stepmom's children are on this One of them is sixteen

493
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Speaker 3: years old. We have a lot of different stories being told,

494
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Speaker 3: and it's frustrating to me because as I'm looking at

495
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Speaker 3: all of this, and I'm thinking, why are we hearing

496
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Speaker 3: from Anna's family that we don't know any more than

497
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Speaker 3: you do, and his father and stepmother don't know anything

498
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Speaker 3: more than we know.

499
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Speaker 2: What the heck, she's dead.

500
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Speaker 3: Under her bed, and we aren't even getting the truth

501
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 3: for the first week, meaning the news report, we don't.

502
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: They're not even saying, well, we were on the trip.

503
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Speaker 3: They're not doing anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Joe.

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Speaker 3: It's like there's a cover up by the family going on.

506
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Speaker 3: And I'm not accusing them of wrongdoing. I'm saying it

507
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: seems like something is really not quite right. Oftentimes news

508
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: stories get misreported. Bad reporting happens all the time, but

509
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: you catch it and you correct it, and you know,

510
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Speaker 3: you move forward on. I went back and looked at

511
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: the original reporting, wanted to make sure, and we've got

512
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Speaker 3: the families saying, well, we don't know any more than

513
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: you do. Well, now we know where her body was,

514
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: and what do we know about the condition of her body?

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Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, well not a lot at this point. I

516
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: think most of it is speculative at the very best.

517
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Speaker 1: And you know, the big reveal is going to come

518
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: from Miami Dade medical examiner, not law enforcement. Remember Miami Dade.

519
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Speaker 1: Miami Dade. The reason it's called that is that the

520
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: city and the county are both consolidated. You don't have

521
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Speaker 1: separate police force down there. Okay, you've got you know,

522
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Speaker 1: Miami Dade Police, all right, Same thing happened in Nashville,

523
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Speaker 1: all right. Like Metro I think it's called Metro Davison

524
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: now or whatever it is. It's named after the county

525
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: that's the national PD. Well, the me down there, and

526
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Speaker 1: most of Florida is broken down. I think all of Florida,

527
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Speaker 1: with the exception of Miami. I might be wrong. Somebody

528
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Speaker 1: correct me on that. I'm sure you will. But just

529
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: like Florida's broken down into Emmy regions, not Miami. Miami

530
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: is so robust with a number of cases they have

531
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Speaker 1: that it's a singular, standalone agency, So they will have

532
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Speaker 1: taken over this investigation. From the medical legal perspective, the

533
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: trick is is who's going to be tasked with releasing information?

534
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Speaker 1: Because if the FEDS are involved in it, If the

535
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Speaker 1: FEDS are involved in this scene, which obviously they are,

536
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Speaker 1: are they going to be the conduit for any further

537
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: releases as far as specifics about the case now, sooner

538
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: or later. If they're zeroing in if there is something

539
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: to be revealed that comes about from this autopsy, you

540
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Speaker 1: have to believe that whoever that is is not going

541
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Speaker 1: to have to appear before judge in Miami day, Brother Dave,

542
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: They're going to have to appear before a federal magistrate.

543
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: It's not why, it's not how, it's not even really when.

544
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: It's what, what exactly happened to this child? What happened

545
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: to her?

546
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: You know?

547
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, Dave, the the answers will rest

548
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: in the science. You and I we always look to

549
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: the science, don't we? On body backs. The science is

550
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: going to it's going to be our true north, right,

551
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: that compass that points us to the truth if we

552
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: stay with the science, we follow the science, what's real,

553
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: what's false, what can be hat away? And just know

554
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that that's nothing but bs. Most of the time, science

555
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: is going to point the way in any kind of

556
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: case like this. And David, it's my opinion that in

557
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: this case, forensics is going to rule the day because

558
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: there's going to be obvious signs here. It's either gonna

559
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: lie within toxicology findings or was there something going on

560
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: that's visible, like what was there? Were there injuries to her?

561
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Because right now, definitively through from the authorities, you know,

562
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: the people that really really count, right, they ain't saying

563
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: peep at this point.

564
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Speaker 3: Dude, well let me ask you about this show, because

565
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: let's just play what we know?

566
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, or no, what we think we know? How about that? Okay, okay, gotcha.

567
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Speaker 3: We've been told that Anna at dinner said she didn't

568
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: feel well. How there's stomach thing going on? Now she's

569
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Speaker 3: eighteen years old on a cruise. She's not She's going

570
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Speaker 3: to be more than just an upset Tommy, you know,

571
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Speaker 3: to make her leave dinner and go back to her

572
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Speaker 3: room while you're out on a cruise of a lifetime.

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Speaker 3: So she did that, according to family, You know, she

574
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Speaker 3: left dinner and went to her room to lay down

575
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Speaker 3: because she didn't feel well. She doesn't get up in

576
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Speaker 3: the morning and go to breakfast, so that they thought, well,

577
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: maybe she's not still not feeling well, let's go check

578
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: on her, and that's when they find she's not in

579
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Speaker 3: her room.

580
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Speaker 2: So is it possible or no? Is it likely?

581
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Speaker 3: We've heard of plenty of people being slip something, especially

582
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Speaker 3: young women being slipped something in a drink that causes

583
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Speaker 3: them to not feel well and within a matter of

584
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Speaker 3: minutes be kind of out of swords. And is it

585
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: possible somebody did something to her drink or food that

586
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Speaker 3: when she left, they followed her back to the room

587
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Speaker 3: and then something happened.

588
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Speaker 2: Is that a possibility?

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I guess it could be. I mean,

590
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Speaker 1: if we're talking about on a resort. Okay, the first

591
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: name that comes to mind is Natalie Halloway because that's

592
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: comebag that's now in prison. Where's Peru? Is that where

593
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: he's at? You know? I know that we went and

594
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: did the on site in Birmingham when he was you

595
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: know he was brought in. That was an interesting day.

596
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Speaker 1: You know, we got to be there in front of

597
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the cameras for that. That was pretty wild. When he

598
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: was brought back to America, Vanderschaum that was his name. Yeah,

599
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: and he had admitted you know, I think it was

600
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: something like g HB. He was passing out to people.

601
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Speaker 1: And interesting aside, when I was over in Great Britain

602
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Speaker 1: there were these people at crime Con UK that were

603
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: and probably other people have these. I thought it was

604
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: pretty cool invention. They've got these covers for your cocktail

605
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: glasses that you can insert a straw through the cover

606
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of rubberized, so someone cannot just

607
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: arbitrarily walk up and drop something into your drink.

608
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

609
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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of cool, you know, because

610
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: it's a devilish world.

611
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: Out there is think about how how sick things are

612
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: that you actually have to come up.

613
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: With something to do that, and we.

614
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: Would say that's a good idea, but all that, but

615
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: now you know, we've actually I've had a friend that

616
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: was at a resort with his wife who looked like

617
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 3: she was a in a bikini. She looked very young,

618
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: and she goes to get a drink. She comes back

619
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Speaker 3: and says, takes a sip. I don't feel good right,

620
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: And anyway, my buddy also takes a sip, he starts

621
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Speaker 3: not feeling good. Within a matter of minutes, they both good.

622
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 3: They got mickeyed right, And so what are we thinking

623
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Speaker 3: with this? She leaves dinner not feeling well, goes back

624
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: to her room. Where do you start investigating that?

625
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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm gonna be real blunt

626
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: with you, brother, She's not been deceased for a long time.

627
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: So at autopsy, when they're doing the examination, they're going

628
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: to do blood, draw urine, draw bile, and vitreous, all

629
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Speaker 1: four of them. That you're some uh, bile from the

630
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: gall bladder. We're gonna get heart blood probably directly from

631
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Speaker 1: the awarder or the atrum, and we're gonna draw urine

632
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: directly from the bladder. Okay, And they're going to put

633
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: on a full, full on panel with this. I would

634
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: imagine as well, knowing that I don't know how to

635
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: say this, knowing that she's coming off of a cruise ship,

636
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine that they would be looking They might

637
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: even do a more sensitive test looking for any kind

638
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: of exotics that may have been, you know, in her system,

639
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: because you know, there are certain things that you don't

640
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: normally look for. Do you remember I lose track of time.

641
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: Remember we were covering those cases. There was the couple

642
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: out of Turkey, and then we had the ones that

643
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: were over in Indonesia where the couple remember the one

644
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: one couple that was given they bought a bottle of

645
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Speaker 1: lemon drop.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that now?

647
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: And it wasn't ethanol, it was methanol. Man, and the

648
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: girl called her mama in England and said, I can't

649
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: see remember how horrible that was. And the boyfriend or

650
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the boyfriend was found dead already and she

651
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: was just hanging on. She eventually died. There's been several

652
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: of those. But that's methanol. That's not like something you

653
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: would put into a drink. That means that they're manufacturing

654
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: an alcoholic beverage with methanol's posed to ethanol, and methanol

655
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: is not compatible with life all right. So the reason

656
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm bringing that up is there all this stuff has

657
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: to be considered, okay, So when they're doing the talks

658
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: panel on her, they're going to look for any kind

659
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: of weird manifestation in the results. She has not This

660
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: has not happened long enough ago for that panel to

661
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: have come back yet. I can almost dollars to donuts.

662
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee that and the standard line. I'll

663
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: go ahead and state right here, we're probably looking at

664
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: six weeks unless they're trying to get to sing expedite

665
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: or here's another thing that might happen, todave. I didn't

666
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: think about this. The FBI may have got no samples.

667
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: They may have gotten no samples and sent them to

668
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: Quantico Okay for an expedited, expedited testing on her. Because

669
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: this is something that occurred in international waters, Isn't that's

670
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: something to think about, I know, because you know that

671
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: it might not be completely relying upon Miami Dade. You know,

672
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: Miami Dade has their own cases, dude. You know they

673
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: got a pretty robust case case a log that comes

674
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: from Miami Dade.

675
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: And think about, Joe, if this happened in international waters,

676
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: Miami Dade, who has control over this. I mean, they

677
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: came to port here, but that's not where it happened. Maybe,

678
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: I mean what I'm guessing. I'm not a lawyer, don't

679
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: even pretend to be one. But I have to wonder

680
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: who's really in charge. The FBI has grabbed this and

681
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: they are doing it like they're in charge, but I wonder,

682
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, but.

683
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Hey, let's just know. Yeah, And that's the thing about it,

684
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: the timing here, And I don't know. I don't know

685
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: enough about what's referred to as admiral law. And I

686
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: think that there is a portion obviously of admiralty law

687
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: that goes to criminality, you know, on the high seeds.

688
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, who's going to have jurisdiction over that. My

689
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: suspicion is because having work cases that put in into

690
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: New Orleans, if there was a homicide that was perpetrated

691
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: on a boat, it was going to be up to

692
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: the locals to handle that. In the past, maybe they're

693
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: deferring to the FEDS. I might be talking at school,

694
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: but that's my thought here. You look at this and

695
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: you think, and again, I ain't an attorney, have no desire.

696
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: To anyone by the way.

697
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Speaker 1: The you know, I'm thinking, are there any kind of

698
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: international laws that would apply here relative to if you're

699
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: going to prosecute a homicide? And who's going to wind

700
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: up prosecuting I think that if the FBI is tasked

701
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: we're working this case, they're going to be the ones

702
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: that if there is some if there is an arrest

703
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: affected in this case, they're going to be one putting

704
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: the bracelests on whoever it is. We've got this beautif

705
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: full eighteen year old young woman who has died on

706
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: board a literal floating city, surrounded by perhaps five thousand people,

707
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: with her family, and right now your guess is just

708
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: as good as mine. We have no answers, but I

709
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you this, When we get those answers, Brother Dave

710
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: and I are going to come right back at you

711
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: and we're going to fill you in and hopefully fill

712
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Speaker 1: in all the blanks. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this

713
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Speaker 1: is body Bags