WEBVTT - Pop w/ Audrie Neenan 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.120 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.920 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:07.760 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.400 These episodes are based on These are our stories. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:27.720 Done done. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.479 Yay, that's messed up. In SVU podcast another episode. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.879 Here we are. I'm Lisa Traeger and I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.720 We talk SVU episodes, True Crimes, talk to guests from 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.760 the show and we chat and we've. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.479 Got we've I haven't talked. Yeah, I haven't seen you 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:47.000 in weeks. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.120 I have a huge name dropping moment that I'd like 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.120 to discuss. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:52.680 Okay, so you. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.560 Know, I've been raving about Natalie Polomidez's show. She's here 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.280 in New York. I don't know why she thought of me, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.240 but I'm glad she did. She messages me, She goes, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.400 I have tickets to Broadway show. Do you want to 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.080 come with me on Friday? I go, you are Friday 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.160 night off? You're like, you're always performing? She goes, and 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.200 my show's aren't one in the morning, so I was free. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:14.040 So so she's like, they have a private event. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.040 I have free Do you want to go to this 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.560 Broadway show? I go great. We get there. It's called art. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.080 We have like four throw seats and I know this 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.319 play from high school, so I feel really like educated 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.520 and cool. But it's James Cordon. Yes, it's Bobby kind 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.080 of Ollie, and it's Neil Patrick Harris. And basically James 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.760 Cordon and Neil Patrick Harris went to her show. We're 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.839 obsessed with it, gave her these tickets. We're backstage. James 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.440 Cordon's making me a cocktail. Neil Patrick Harris is on 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.959 the floor so I could sit on a chair, and 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.360 I'm talking to Bobby kennavally, trying that to say funky 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.160 tasting spunk directly to his face. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:44.679 I didn't. I didn't, but. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.480 I'm like, God, of course this happens after we've done 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.400 his episode of Best for You, haven't we. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:50.880 I didn't even bring up best Tea. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.240 I acted since I was a plus one, you know, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.800 I acted normal enough. I brought up Dexter to Neil 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.280 Patrick Harris. I did. I brought up I'll tell you 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.400 my thing right now for this. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.680 I have one too. I have one too. But it 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.000 was so cool. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.320 Wait, that's crazy. I passed the poster for it on 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.880 my way to see you. Mary this summer and Jared 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.520 and I were talking about it because my husband used 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.200 to work for Cordon and he My and Jared knew 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.200 the play. He's like, oh, yeah, I knew that play 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.440 was I brought them up. I go my high school 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:21.760 did it? They go, you're a high school? And then 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.440 I got to be like my high school put up equis. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.600 It was a really progressive, cool program, you know. But 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.079 but Bobby eventually goes, so do you know anyone here? 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.480 And I go, no, I'm her plus echo that's why. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.480 But James really like, I mean, he blew it out 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.200 of the wall. I mean, he was incredible. He was 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:41.080 the best part of that show. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:41.919 Really. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.200 Yeah, it's like kind of crazy. I didn't expect it. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.600 I didn't expect my I mean, I'm obsessed with Bobby Kennavolli. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:47.919 That's whoy. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.200 I was like most excited to see and for throw 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.400 and the lighting, like it was really cool. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.760 And because it's the like Theater Cares Week or something 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.200 like that, they were auctioning off paintings at the end 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.040 from the show for an Aide's charity, and so that 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.880 was cool. They broke the fourth wall at the end 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.440 and there was like five thousand and fourth. You know, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.960 like people were going out things, but I like love 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.880 New York. I had the best day. Well, yeah, I 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.440 started at the Food Pank, then I went to World 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.600 Trade Center to do a podcast seventy seventh floor. Then 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.520 I walked to go to a Broadway show, and then 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.640 I walked to the Comedy Cellar fifty blocks and I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.600 had three spots, and I go, I mean, New York 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.600 City is insane. I'm like, I can't even believe I 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.440 did so much in a day. I'm sitting with Bobby 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.080 Kennavali and I have like four more hours of activity left. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.880 So I've just been really corny about New York. But 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.200 that was like so cool. I love being backstage at Broadway. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.040 It means more than anything. I think it's like more 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.360 exciting than even SNL. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.560 I think the only time I've ever done that was 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.800 for Oh Mary, But that's the only time I've ever 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:46.160 done it. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.360 It's cool, though it's. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.640 Hard, yeah, but oh but also what was funny because 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.080 I fucked up in my head. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:52.800 You know, I'm stoned. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.640 But Natalie, we went outside and we're trying to enter, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.640 which is crazy. You're supposed to like wait inside and 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.560 then be brought backstage. So then the security was looking 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.200 for us, and then they're like Natalie, And then everyone 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.040 that was waiting at the stage door was like happy 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.600 for Natalie. So everyone kept going okay, Natalie, and everyone 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.360 started clapping that we got to go backstage, so it 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.320 was like really a supportive group as well. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.800 I bet it's so funny if you're just like a 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.800 Broadway like if you're just like a tourist going to 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.479 see Broadway or you don't really know like how that 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.320 Natalie is such a talented performer, You're like, Wow, James 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.280 Cordon and the cast of Art really loved the girl 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.840 from the progressive commercials, you know, like yeah. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.760 Like wow, Okay, I guess that's but all stage all right. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.080 I wonder if it's such a star studded performance. I 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.000 would say it was like the coolest door guy's security 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.520 of any show I'd ever been to, Like chatting with 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.520 me when I was waiting for Natalie to arrive, like 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.160 didn't know what, like just really cool people working at 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:50.600 this theater. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.400 It's really exesing and you I'm sorry you said, what 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.960 did you say about Dexter? Did you talk to Neil 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.040 Patrick Harris about Dexter well, because I'm wearing a Dexter 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.000 Morgan bracelet. So I got to be like Yana and 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.440 this seems bad, but like, I don't care about him 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.400 as much as Bobby, Like I'm trying to preserve some 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.680 sort of humility with this other man, you know, Like, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.480 and I mostly just talked about how great Natalie Show was, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.040 which might have been rude, but Neil I was like, dude, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.640 I loved that noise you made. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:16.839 He hasn't watched it yet. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.440 And then he told me who he based his character on, 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.680 and I fully forgot, So that sucks, but I. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.479 Go, that was so cool. I'm like, you guys were fun. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.640 I loved when he like realized, you know, he was 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.919 the Bay Harper Butcher and we had like a funny 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:32.800 little chat about it. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.040 Wow, the president, you think the president of the Magic 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.560 Castle hanging out? He's the president of the Magic Castle. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.800 He at least he was for a long time. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.320 He still is. No but James Gordon, I would say, 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.000 blew me away. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.559 And I didn't realize he was like this Tony winner 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.680 and a theater guy, and maybe I should have, but 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.480 he really like surprised me. It was so like, I 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.279 loved his physicality. Oh my god, did you see this 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.160 Quentin Tarantino interview? Okay, so I woke up this morning. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.240 I just scrolled. I don't have anything. So he was 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.279 doing an interview and it's like his ten favorite or 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.960 twenty favorite movies of this century or something I don't know. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.280 And he hates Paul Dano. There will be blood, he goes, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.160 it would be higher on my list. But fuck Paul Dano. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.440 He's weak sauce. He's not a good actor. He sucked 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.080 in Little Miss Sunshine. I'm adding my own. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.520 He did not say what like, but that's yeah, yeah, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.040 but yeah, just like fully going in on Paul Dano 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.720 and how much he sucks. Whoa, Okay, yeah, crazy because 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:30.000 I think he's really talented. Well, but Quentin Tarantino strikes 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.440 me as the kind of person that if you pissed 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.000 him off, he never forgets. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 Oh yeah, he said he was uninteresting in Little Miss 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.320 Sunshine and oh so you put him with the weakest 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.359 male actor in SAG. I'm not saying he's giving a 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.880 terrible performance. I'm saying he's giving a non entity performance 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.880 I don't care for. Okay, this is why I'm bringing 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.200 this up. I was like, why am I saying this? Okay, 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.799 I don't care for him. I don't care for Owen Wilson, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.719 and I don't care for Matthew Lillard. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:03.280 Whoa yeah, Tarantino just out here, just right a bullet. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.400 But remember I told Matthew Lillard I loved his physicality 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.560 and facial expressions. He said it was like the rudest 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.640 thing you could say to an actor and got so offended. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.720 And so with James Corden, I wanted to be like, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.720 I loved his physicality, like I loved the way he 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.080 played this character. But I'm like, is it rude because 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.760 of this Matthew Lillard thing? And then Quentin Tarantino thinks 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.760 Matthew Lillard is like the worst actor. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.680 There might be a difference though, also because physicality in 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.960 a play is like necessary because you really have to 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.600 do play for like people that are in the back 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.000 of the room, you know, like whereas on TV. I 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.560 think when people hear physicality they think that you're eating, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.720 like you're doing too much, you know, you're like chewing 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.240 the scenery. I guess, but wait, that's that's wow, okay, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:42.880 And I. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.160 Do want to do own also, So I went to 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.760 the food bank a few times. I am obsessed, but 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.520 I was going through donations because thinks, you know, holidays, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.960 people donate more. We had to check all the expiration 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.920 dates food that expired in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I mean 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.040 everyone's clear their cabinets out. That's like crazy, That's yeah, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.960 it's sort of why. It's like if you heard, yeah, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.360 you should either mostly go out and buy cans or you. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.840 Should just give money because the food banks, Like what 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.640 I've heard is like if you have the means to 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:19.120 give money, food banks need they have deals with places, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.320 so your money will go farther if you just give 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:22.960 them money as opposed to you going to like a 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.120 shopwrite and buying a bunch of cans of peas. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:25.560 You know. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.080 Yeah, but also you know, some of them a lot 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.480 of good, Like there was a lot of the say, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:32.960 like you could tell it was one person went and 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.440 bought like every mac and cheese box at their local 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.880 store or something, and that was great. But yeah, I 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.240 was really I guess I wasn't shocked, but I was like, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.920 what the fuck, Like, you're trying to give people food 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.760 that expired six years ago? 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.360 That's what you want to give them. I was really disturbed. Actually, well, okay, wait, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:52.640 let me tell you my name. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:54.000 Who I saw. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.000 So I was at a party that I go to 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:01.719 every year, and I saw David des Melchin. Oh my god, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.320 and he I just read his article either he just 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.200 did a big interview. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:07.400 Oh he would bulcher. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.680 Yeah, because I didn't know about him until Dexter, and 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.360 so I've been reading so much about him. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.480 Well, like we always just like say hi to each other. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.680 But I was like, he doesn't know who I am, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.200 but he said hi to me for he was like 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.080 saying hi to me first. And I was like, oh 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.400 my god, I'm so glad I'm running into you. I 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.559 was like, I you know, I watched that Boston Strangler 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.280 movie you were in and I thought it was really great. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.640 And he goes, oh god, I'm so horrible, like like 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.280 meeting his characters, like the things I. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.200 Have to do in that movie. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.480 Oh, And I go, yeah, I go And then I go, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.200 wait a minute, Dexter, I also saw you in Dexter. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.680 You were awesome. He goes, now that was fun. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.960 He just kept talking about how fun it was, and 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.119 I go, yeah, and like you're the well it's no spoilers, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.200 but I'm like the twists, you know, like he goes, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.720 I know, wasn't that cool? Like he was really he 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.160 was like, I was like, you know, the Boston Shrinkler 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:57.640 movie was really good. I don't know why it didn't 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.680 get he goes was He's agreed, He's like, I thought 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:00.920 that was a great film. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.120 I was surprised that it didn't get more. I was. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:04.800 I was saying that. I said, I'm surprised to get 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.800 more attention. And then I was like, but Dexter and 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.760 he was like, just couldn't stop talking about how fun 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:09.040 it was. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:10.960 Well, and he was friended with Kristin Ritter. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.880 It seems what I got from the interviews with her 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.960 like she loves him the most, Like they were friends 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.880 going into it. I wonder if they did some if 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.360 Marvel something together or something like that. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.840 Oh, perhaps he's like, yeah, he's yeah, I forgot. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:24.559 He's in Dark Night. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.320 He's in so much more sad than I know, because 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.640 I don't watch a lot of this stuff exactly. Oh, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.320 he's not in my genre. Wait, isn't Prisoners a famous 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.240 Paul Dano movie? 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.080 Yes? And that that's what I was reading. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.720 I was reading, like the it was mostly the whole 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.520 interview was him talking about his work in Prisoners, but 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.640 changed his life because he was supposed to. He was 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.080 broke as fuck. He was offered this movie for twenty 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.079 grand and he needed the money. But there was like 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.280 a Michael Kane quote about listening to your heart and 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.199 what does your heart say? And he just he turned 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.520 it down and the next day he had the audition 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:03.560 for Prisoners. Because the guy Dallas villa Venu or whatever. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:04.040 He. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:15.240 Dennis villa Venue I believe it's pronounced Denny Villeneu. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.040 He loved The Dark Knight and Nolan, so he like 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.320 was he was excited to cast this guy and just 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.600 mansion and said like during the whole time on set 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.000 that like Dennis wanted to talk about Nolan and like, 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.480 oh nor now. But because he didn't take this twenty 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.480 thousand dollars project, he was able because he would have 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.160 been on a flight, he wouldn't be able to go 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.080 an audition for Prisoners, okay, and it changes everything. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.960 He's the nicest guy, Like we chatted for a little 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:49.240 while and what's crazy is I just googled him to 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:50.959 make sure that I was saying his last name right, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.360 and when you google him, it says people also search 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.400 for Paul Dano, and it says trending under Paul Dano's 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.840 name because clearly he Quententino his name in his mouth, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.240 Tarantina about his name in his mouth, and now everyone's 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:04.000 talking about Paul. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.400 Dan But also like he was a kid, but obviously 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.360 so good in There Will be Blood but like Escape It, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.080 Dan Mora is incredible. I just don't think he's back 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.880 like Owen Wilson. Sure, but then Midnight in Paris is 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.800 in his top twenty movies or in his top ten, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:21.400 like he keeps putting people the movies that with the actors, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.160 Like you hate Owen Wilson, but you loved Midnight in Paris. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.480 I don't understand that. Yeah, but Toy Story three is 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:28.480 his number two pick? 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.240 Wow? Wow? Wait who else did I see it? 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:36.480 Wait? 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.959 So, but you could tell he had fun with that part. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.360 It was Yeah, I'm glad you guys hung out. Yeah, Holiday, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:43.920 he's gonna start it, honey. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.800 Oh, I know, I saw I saw former guests of 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.320 the pod Ricky Linnholm, I saw a couple of other 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:51.360 fun folks. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.000 Oh, and I'm mid Montreal December seventeenth, tomorrow, tomorrow if 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.240 you're watching, oh yeah, you're listening comesorrow Montreal. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:08.240 Okay, wait, so let's talk about how my of course, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.560 my feed is filled with this, so your feed's gonna 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.920 be filled with this. But like, I keep seeing ninety 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.800 different videos about how Rollin's and Finn are having to 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.640 split time because SVU cannot afford both actors full time. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.720 I'm like, sort of, I do feel like the money 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.760 is probably insane when you've just been on a show 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.640 for that long, But I'm like, you can't figure out 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:31.960 a way. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.679 But to me, it's like, keep Rollin's part time, we 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.040 need Finn full time. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.000 Like she's a professor on the side. I don't get that, but. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:40.720 I think they should just bring her in as the 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.160 bad Wong, have her come into profile once in a while. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.200 But she's not in every Is she in the beginning? 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.880 Is she in the credits this season? I can't remember, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.240 I don't I have I'm really behind on this season, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.800 to be honest, Yeah, but I mean, I oh, I'm 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.640 caught up. But I said he's not mad and that 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.240 he's annoyed with people spinning it. It just is what 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.600 it is, and he's just looking forward to season twenty 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.320 seven is what he said, or twenty eight or whatever. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.400 He's like, I'm just looking for the next one. It's 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:06.520 about making it to twenty eight. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.560 He goes. I love this show. They've done so much 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:08.840 for me. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.240 And he said, and that gives He goes, if I 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.360 got time, I'll find a way to make a dime 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:15.160 something like that. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.520 So yeah, he's work. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.480 He's out there working and doing other stuff, focusing on music. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.520 So I don't know, well I know, but also that 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.400 CMZ started to interrupt you. But this TMZ interview was 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.160 at Chanelle's tenth birthday party. So at the end of 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.320 the interview, he goes and thanks everyone for showing up 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.120 to Chanelle's tenth birthday, TMZ leave your gift on the 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:38.520 gift table, Like, what is happening? I I feel like, oh, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.520 I'm caught up. And so I know a lot of 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.000 people that listen to us, maybe a lot of people 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.000 say they stopped after the Maloney years, so some people 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.040 don't still watch the show. But if you're not caught 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.360 up recently, he fit, we talked about it. I think 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.760 on this podcast, Finn got like bamboozled. He got like 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.760 sort of led into a bait and switch and he 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.280 got eat up. And so now the context is he 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.280 keeps he came back on the last episode, but then 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.600 he's like, I don't think I'm ready yet. I'm like, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.280 fucking Finn Tutuola is ready to come back, you know 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.240 what I mean. But they're saying he's not ready because 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.440 it's this whole thing. I just hope it's not too 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.000 distracting because I do like a lot of these new 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.480 episodes in the newer season. I really feel like this 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.640 new showrunner is bringing it back to old school and 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.920 I like it, Like did you watch the Jemima Kirk 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.440 episode yet? Or you haven't had a chance. The Jemima 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.160 Kirk episode is really cool. They did like a Oppenheim 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.040 Brothers episode or like not really, but it's like these 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.920 two bros that do real estate together, and that one's 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.160 really fucked up. There's a couple of like really like 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.160 interesting episode. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.600 I don't know. It's like, like, I like where it's 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.600 going this season. Some of it. I feel like I 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.080 saw one where I was like, what. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.960 Well, let's bond over all because I watched all her 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.160 fault and beast in me. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.840 Okay, so be Sindmy's my next thing, because everybody's been 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.000 telling me how good that is. We've been watching Slow Horses. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.280 We're almost done. Fucking loves Slow Horses. But I just 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.640 watched All Her Fault. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:07.640 I haven't watched that yet. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:13.520 It's funny. Oh it's this guy slow Horses. I mean, Gary, oldman. Gary. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.480 Can you have the same face for one minute? 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.000 No, he can't, but he's he's really I think we 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.680 might have already talked about this on this pot, but 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.680 I love him and he's so smelly in the show. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.360 But he's really good, but smell. But yeah, All Her 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.680 Fault let's talk about everybody. Give it a give it 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.240 a watch. I really would Jared watch it with you. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.320 He watched the first two and then he went out 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.360 of town and I was like, can I keep going? 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:39.520 And he was like yeah, So. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.400 He also when we were watching it together, he was 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.200 definitely like kept going, Wait can we pause it? 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:45.960 Do I do that? 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.400 Like? He was really like, I think everybody should watch 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.800 it with their husbands. If you're in a heteronormative relationship, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.840 and if you have kids, like watch it with your 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.680 husbands and see how they react, because it's pretty heavy 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.640 handed on how men. But the thing they think that 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.399 everything's fifty to fifty and it's not. But it's not heavy. 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.560 It is heavy handed because the messaging is very clear. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.080 But I don't find that it's hitting you over the head. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.160 It is subtle a story. It is done so well. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.920 I thought, yeah, if you're a woman, it's heavy. It's 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.399 like if you know it, you can recognize it. But 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.520 I would say it's not heavy. Heavy handed is the 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.879 wrong word. It's just a clear message, clear like of 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.240 what they're talking about. It's not beating you over the 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.320 head for sure. But I thought the show was really good. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.239 I love the twists and turns. At the end, I 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.440 was like, this is gonzo, Like the ending is gonzo, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.800 But I thought, like, it's. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.280 Not that gonzo because to me, it hammer's home. The 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.360 point spoiler. If you have not seen it and don't 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.159 want the end, just fast forward fast thirty seconds. I 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.800 have to say this, Casey, I don't know, plug your ears, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.480 but I doubt you care. You're gonna watch this. But 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.800 I loved when she goes, yeah, I manage your allergies. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.000 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.760 I just thought that was but not that part. I 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.480 didn't think that part was Gonzo. I kind of thought, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:10.320 just like how they're connected is like insane. Oh the car, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.800 the car crashed, the babies, like they're both driving home 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.160 with new babies on the same night. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.400 Like, but I liked it because it like shows the path. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:18.679 You know. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.640 It's like this guy that on the paper, I didn't 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.000 think he could get more evil. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.719 And Sarah Snook was saying in an interview that like 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.240 for this all to work, she had to make sure 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.560 that it like she was obsessed with him in the beginning, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.240 you know, like there she was really in love with 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.640 him and happy that to be in a relationship with him, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:38.840 you know. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.800 And somebody wrote something somewhere that I'm sorry, I can't 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.200 credit you because I don't remember, and it might have 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.119 been read it. But like they were like at this 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.720 point that that actor Jake Lacey, We're just you're not 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.680 gonna cast him in anything where I don't immediately think 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.520 he's the fucking villain, like he's so he was good 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.679 and obvious child and not a villain. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.080 But yeah, then yeah, and then on it's just been. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.520 Like yeah, but since and it's just been like douche vibes. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.639 I was next to him at an airport, going to 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.440 UH with his family, going to Aspen for a gig 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.080 a couple like a year ago, a year and a 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.200 half ago, and I was like, damn, even in person, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.800 I'm kind of like, are you a dick? Like I 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.240 don't know, he's definitely And then he played the We've 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.840 covered it on the podcast The Abducted in plain Sight, 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.040 a documentary that like, he plays that guy in the 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.800 dramatization of it that was on Hulu or whatever, like 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:30.679 a friend of the Family. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:31.400 I think it's. 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.520 Called he plays the guy who like grooms his next 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:35.359 door neighbor and then. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.240 Kidnaps her twice. Damn. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.879 So like they're giving him he's taking a lot of 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:41.520 dirtbag rolls. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.280 And the only thing that bothers me and it's kind 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.679 of informed. What I'm trying to work on is just 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:52.520 like I and this happened, and it's like so heavy handed. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.920 In the foreshadow, they'll like zoom in on an item 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.560 and you're like, Okay, well, I guess that. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.280 It's like those when they zoom in on a scar 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.679 and you're like, okay, flag that for follow up. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.360 You know, I don't strike. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.680 These little drops of stuff that are so like did 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.320 you see the security systems turned off, and. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:12.920 It's like, yeah, we got it. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.120 I don't, well because I don't really I get that 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.320 people maybe feel like they have to telegraph stuff for 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.040 people that are like dumb or something. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.359 Not I'm we're on our phones they don't trust. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.480 Yeah, is that it? It's called because the thing is 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.879 is like people are more sleuthy than ever. People are 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.080 more looking for Easter eggs than ever before. I mean, 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.480 I remember in mad Men, everybody's like Don Draper's wife 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.280 is going to get killed by the Manson family. There's 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.120 so many clues, there's so many Easter eggs, Like everyone's 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.640 looking for Easter eggs, like if you had just For example, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.199 in All Her Fault, there is a moment where they 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.399 zoom in on Sarah Stook's scar on her shoulder and 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.840 they don't talk about it until for five episodes later. 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.639 Could they not just have shown her taking the selfie 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.280 and if you notice the scar, you notice the scar? 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.320 You know what I mean? It's the dumbing. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.800 It's like the Internet would have said, I saw the 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.119 scar are in the selfie scene? 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.040 You know what I mean? Like, I'm with you. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:08.560 I I don't like feeling like I'm an idiot that 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:09.600 I'm being treated. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:09.879 Like an idiot. 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.680 I don't, yeah, but I agree. It's like they are. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.240 They're not calling you an idiot, they're saying everyone's an idiot. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:15.960 They're on their phones. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:16.600 Like. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.040 But I liked the I liked the Chicago element, of course, 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.040 and I liked the married element. I liked the now 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.680 way I live in Chicago, where you have that home, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.679 I would, I believe because I think I told you 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.280 this last summer when I was on a boat. Remember 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:32.520 I was on a boat and then we passed the 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.240 house and he's like, I live there. So I feel 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.800 it's like Evanston, Winetka, like those first north Shore suburbs 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.960 on the water, or those homes and just that because 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:43.879 like when I grew up, me and my friends in 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:45.719 high school would get in her car and drive up 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.800 the North up the Lake Shore, drive all the way 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:49.040 north and look at the big houses. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.560 That was like part of our like lives, like our 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:53.120 free time. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.400 Yeah, so up like north Shore, the houses are big 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.159 and like up all the way to Lake Forest. But 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.399 I feel like they're more right north Shore because they 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:02.640 go to work in the city. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.080 Because they do these like sweeping like drone shots of 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.480 their whole property and You're like, what the fuck that's 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.000 like in a city, Like it's crazy. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.280 I mean, I know someone, but it's closed. 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.359 Someone said that they filmed it in a different place 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:15.800 and it was so obvious, and I'm like, I don't 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:17.959 think it was. It wasn't obvious to me because I know, like, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.520 you can have those homes in Evanston, which is ten 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.840 minutes from the city or like thirty twenty minutes from downtown. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:24.080 You know. 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:29.000 I was also very and you know, I'm just nitpicking. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.000 I was very wonder I was wondering how Dakota Fanning's 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.679 character is so rich. And yes, there's generational well she 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.119 probably has family money, but she's sort of high up 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.920 in publishing, but not really because she's not. She's still 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.280 waiting for this big fish that she's trying to get. Right, 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:48.080 She's not like yeah making she means. And her husband's 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:48.960 a high school teacher. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.840 I know there's he comes from money for sure, one 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.320 of them come from money because even working and publishing, 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.159 like he makes a comment to her like oh a 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.040 promotion and more responsibly even no more money. So that's 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.960 a passion project high school. That's like a passion thing 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.560 like that. Yeah, and they go to the same school. 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.800 They go to this same like private school with these 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.440 freaking people that have this massive So I was kind 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.280 of wondering, how Dakota fanning, But yeah, family money for sure. 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:14.520 I like it. 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.399 I like the friendship in it. I think that that 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.320 girl's relationship with her husband is so fucking nuts too. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.160 The mom culture of it, with that that woman at 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.040 school that's always like, are you gonna volunteer for the fundraiser? 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.840 And like, you know, I thought there was like a 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:31.600 lot of good shit in that show. 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.000 It was really fun. I had a lot of fun. 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.040 I did watch a movie I hadn't seen ever before. 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.120 I watched Magnolia for the first time. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.639 Wait, that's crazy because Jared has talked to me like 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.680 three times in the past two months about how Magnolia 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.240 is so good. And at Thanksgiving dinner, somebody was trying 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:53.840 to tell me that Tom Cruise has like never made 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.520 a bad movie and that he's a great person, and 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.399 I was like, I can't have this conversation with you, 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.399 But I was like, it could be a generous person 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.600 and I'm sure in general, but he's like, yeah, what 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.880 like and I was like, somebody told you one story 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:10.639 about how he's nice on a set. That does not 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:12.960 mean like that he's not responsible for a lot of 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:14.040 bad shit that's gone down. 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.400 Also, with rich people being nice, it's like sending everyone 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.600 a coconut cake doesn't affect him. Like it's also about 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.760 what you sacrifice when you do something nice, right, So 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:26.320 it's like buying pizzas for everyone on crew doesn't affect him. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.080 He also sends Coda Fanning a pair of shoes every 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.280 year for her birthday. I saw that on an Instagram. 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.000 They worked on something together. 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.120 Sure, I'm like trying to think and he sends her shoes, right, 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:39.160 did she play his kid? 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:45.720 I don't know. I know she's worked with Denzel, but 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:46.840 I don't know. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.840 She said it's Tom Cruise that he finds out her 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.160 size and like get her nice ass shoes. 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.280 They're in war of the World's war. That's it. Thank you, 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:58.960 thank you. Yep, it's a woman, it's a woman's worth. 0:24:59.280 --> 0:24:59.919 So I don't think I. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.120 Women's Where Daily picked it up right away in their 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:07.000 footwear news section. They're like, hold up, but somebody was saying, well, 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.000 have you ever seen Magnolia? And I go no, I've 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.000 never seen Magnolia. That's a blind spot for me. I 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.240 really need to see that movie. 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.439 Well, I bought it for four ninety nine because I'm 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.320 gonna watch it again because I didn't care for it, 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.040 but I like but I do think it's like one 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.760 of Tom Crus's best performances. 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.440 Okay, like he is really good in it. It's weird. 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.520 I have to give it another watch. Casey, I would say, 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.080 it's the movie that changed my life single handedly. 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.520 I went to film school after I wanted to go 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.080 to After I watched that movie, I was like. 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.960 I want to go to film school and move to California. 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.080 So I love me. I got a wow because I 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.080 like Hidings. Well. The reason I watched it. 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.159 Kate Berlant did an interview about gift giving, and I 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:51.720 guess in high school her friend gave her a prop 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.680 from the movie One of the Frogs. 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.840 Oh, okay, and. 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.280 So she has it authenticated and it's this like great 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.800 gift And I've just been on a Kate Berlant kick lately, 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:06.200 I would say. And so I went to watch Magnolia 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.760 because of it, and I have to I have to 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.840 watch it again because it's phil Seymour Hoffmann. 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:16.440 It's it's fun, but it was tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:17.840 I should watch it on the big screen. I watched 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.919 it on my laptop and I was playing Tetras, so 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.560 it's like, oh. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:22.280 Yeah, oh my god. 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.439 There's like all these photos of him and Dakota together 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.920 doing press for War of the World. Okay, anyway, that 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.600 is our little recommendation corner for everybody. 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:34.160 Let's should we get started. 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.840 Go to GODA That's messed Up live dot com for 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.000 the link to Lisa's site. You can check out her 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.480 road dates. 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Let's go. 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:14.479 We're gonna do Pop Today, Season twelve, episode eleven. 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:15.760 No recollection of this. 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.879 Like I knew Drea Matteo is in this episode, so 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.800 when I sawry, I go, oh this one, But then 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.679 I went why don't I know this at all. 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.840 Absolutely knew there was an episode of this, have seen it. 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.280 I have seen Drea to Matteo. I've always known that 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:36.080 she was a guest, but totally was like, how's it 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:36.640 gonna end? 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.040 Like I really did, Like I love that, I love 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:39.720 I love. 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.520 Not remembering, and I have a lot of thoughts, but 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.679 let's let's let's let's start, okay. 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.080 So this episode comes out in twenty eleven. 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.000 We're going back to twenty eleven, and I always think 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:51.960 of season twelve, as you know, the final Benson and 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:53.119 Stabler together season. 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:53.880 So these are there. 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.280 These are sort of their final moments together, the last 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.240 few episodes of them together. They don't know it at 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.560 the time. So we open on a guy making balloon animals, 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.880 a carousel, carnival music, smiling children. So this is going 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.320 nowhere good because we're watching S FORU. And then this 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.560 guy is ushering all these kids off the marry go 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:13.439 round and he sees this one kid on the bench 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.679 he's on like one of those This is what Oscar 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.320 likes to ride when he goes on the carousel. He 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:18.920 likes to be in the bench where he sits down. 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.639 And I always have to go with him, and I'm like, 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.000 this is can we not go on the park that 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:23.680 goes up and down? 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:23.879 You know? 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.360 He wants the bench that looks like a peacock that's 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:26.960 his thing. 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.160 And this kid's lying on it. 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.000 And the guy goes, yeah, man, faking sleep's not going 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:33.919 to get you a free ride. He sees this like 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.800 nine ten year old kid like asleep, and he nudges 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:38.800 the kid and the kid falls right over and the 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.280 guy's like, someone call nine one one. 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:40.960 Now. 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.280 Ben's and his stabler are on the scene getting the scoop. 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.560 No parents, no id, no one's reported a kid missing 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.280 in the area. Melinda's like, the kid's body temp is 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.280 down two degrees and Stabler goes, so he's been dead 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:52.120 a little over an hour. 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:52.960 And Milinda's like. 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.400 Okay, go off, I guess you know some information about 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.280 forensics now, baby, And he's like, yeah, I wish I 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.040 wasn't so good at that, but I have been finding 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.320 dead kids for eleven years now. So we also know 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.680 that this kid is dead now that we're hearing about 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.640 the body temperature. Like I didn't know at the beginning, 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.320 it wasn't very clear that he was totally dead, but 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.240 the kid is dead. He's in clean clothes, he's got 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.760 new shoes. Maybe he's a runaway because when she lifts 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.160 up his shirt, he's got bruises all over his torso 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.000 that are healing. Some could be as old as two weeks. 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.200 They could be as recent as eighteen hours. She doesn't 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.520 really know. And Stabler's like, the only thing we do know. 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.560 Someone beat the hell out of this kid. And then 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.080 they do a close up on the cold dead body 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.120 of a kid who looks like he's nine. It's a lot, 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.080 and then we're at the credits, so now we're downloading 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.239 Daddy Craigan. The kid was on the carousel for an 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.640 hour before the guy noticed, So I guess falling asleep 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.600 isn't really the tact to getting a free ride. It's 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.880 just existing. Because this guy doesn't notice anything. It was crowded, 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.760 he said, he didn't check. The kid must have snuck on. 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:55.480 Elliott's going through you know CCTV footage or you know 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.640 security footage. And Benson's like, I gotta go. I've got 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.600 to find the missing witness on them marine trial. And 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.680 I wonder what was up because they don't usually dismiss 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.239 Benson for a full day unless she's like pregnant or 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.800 doing the VMA's or something like that. You know, like 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.400 we I don't know why she would just be like, bye, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:14.920 I gotta go for the day and not be in 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.880 this episode of this show that I'm the star of. 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.440 But she ain't. She ain't here for much of the episode. 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:20.520 She comes back a little at the end. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.440 Uh So, Stabler shows up with footage of the kid 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:29.280 getting out of a cab, So let's find this cab 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.720 the cab. Finn and Stabler go talk to the cab driver. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.640 They show him the pick the picture of the kid 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.200 getting out, and dunt done. He's like, that's my nephew Ethan. 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.280 So now we're at Melinda's house and she's giving the 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.920 cops the cause of death tension pneumothorax, which like she 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.520 describes as a basically a broken rib that punctured his lungs. 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.280 Stabler thinks someone beat this kid and caused his bet 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.040 death and Melinda's like, no, but it could have been 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.400 an accident. I have to rule it inconclusive. So that's 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.440 we've talked about that before on the podcast. It can 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.520 either it's like it's not not either way, making a 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.320 determination it's inconclusive. So next we have the sad pull 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.680 the sheet back moment where the cab driver and his 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:09.160 sister are iding the body. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:09.720 It's awful. 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.240 The mom is devastated, she's crying and don't worry, there's 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.200 more sadness to come. Ethan's father was a nine to 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.840 eleven like first responder and died from inhaling toxic dust. 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:21.520 So he's gone. 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.880 And Joe was his brother is his brother, and he's 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.000 the cab driver and he's been like filling in in 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.680 a dad role. And Ethan wasn't feeling good that day, 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.520 so he kept him home from school because he had 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:32.480 a stomach ache. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:33.360 But they're like, but. 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.480 Why did you drop him off in your cab at 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.000 a playground or at a park and he's like, well, 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:39.480 he said he was feeling better and he asked me 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:40.800 if he could go to a birthday party. 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.080 Did he make it to the birthday party? 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.160 There's no birthday party there where They were like, hey, 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.640 Ethan was a guest here and now he's dead, Like, 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.760 I don't know. That's a hole that never gets closed up. 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.160 So when they tell the mom about the broken rib, 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.920 she suddenly knows exactly who did it. She goes, it's 0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.400 that kid, that kid at school, Blake Murphy. He gave 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.920 Ethan a black eye two weeks before. So now we're 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.720 at Blake's house and this mom is hashtag boy momming 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.280 as hard as she fucking can. She's like, oh, the 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.200 school made such a federal case out of nothing. And 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.840 then she goes, Blake, get your heinie out here, and 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.800 I hadn't heard heine in a long time. And she's 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.200 annoyed that Blake got suspended for assaulting a teacher because 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.800 she had to stay home with him for a week 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.280 and miss work. And then they stopped this kid from 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.120 playing video games and he's like, no, Ethan was the 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.160 one hitting me. He kept telling Blake how he was 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.640 learning to fight so he could kick his ass, and 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.480 they were like, well, who was teaching him to fight? 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.440 And he goes, he said his uncle, Joe was teaching him. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.520 So uh oh, let's go back around to this uncle 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.680 at the cab company. The boss shows them the GPS 0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.000 where Joe is and he's an inwood Hill Park, which 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:51.000 is like up in the Bronx and no, he's Stabler's like, no, 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.440 one's going to take a cab from there, and the 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.440 boss is pissed. He's like, this guy's gonna lose his job. 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.840 He hasn't moved in a half an hour. So Finn 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.040 and Stabler pull up to this park. It's dark. They 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.080 see Joe and his cab. He's making some kind of 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.000 extremely obvious deal that they can see everything in the 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.680 darkness of him, you know, handing someone a lot of money. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.400 Stabler and Finn start moving through the woods, but it's 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.400 kind of just like a few branches, like they're not actually, 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.240 it's not like a thicket. It's just them moving a 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.400 couple of branches out of the way. And then they 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.080 stumble upon this group of guys and they're watching two 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.480 others fight. They break it up and really quickly find 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:30.280 out that done done done. It's a fight club, and 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.320 they're like, no one's getting hurt here, we're doing this 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:32.880 for fun. 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.320 So now we will. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.360 Obviously get into it with the crimes. But what is 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.200 your relationship with the movie Fight Club? 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.400 I mean, my relationship with the movie Flight Club is 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.440 that I watched it when it came out, but not 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.240 in the theater, in a dorm room with my friends, 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.880 and we thought it was a cinematic masterpiece, like we 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.400 had never seen anything better, Like we loved it so much, 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.640 we love the music, we love the movie. Like I 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.920 know now it's a bit of a it feels like 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.920 it's like an edge Lord's anthem type. 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.720 Well, because they've misunderstood it. Yes, it's a satire that 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.440 they missed. It's like the like so many things. Well, 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.120 it's like the Wall Street guys being into American psycho 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.879 and it's like yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.319 not what it's not aspirational. 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:19.120 We're making fun of you. 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say, because I was an 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:27.840 Edward Norton head. Yes, at this movie was everything to me, 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.600 and it made me start reading Chuck Pollonic books. And 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.400 I've read almost every single one of his books up 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.640 to Haunted. I owned them all multiple times, hardcovers. I 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.000 joined his Chuck Polani's fan club. I was in I'm 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.439 a sticker from the fan club on my mirror still 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.680 from my childhood bedroom, and I had a movie sized 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:46.239 poster in. 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:51.120 My college door room off club soap. Yeah, No, it 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.640 was that. I think it was the two of them. 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.359 I feel like I wouldn't have gotten it without their faces. 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.200 And well, no, it's like the one where brad Pitt's 0:34:59.200 --> 0:34:59.839 holding the box. 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.960 It's like coming it right. I love Helena Bonham Carter, 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.719 I love Edward Norton. I've or expressed my at the 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.040 time adoration for brad Pitt, like so I was just 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.160 like all about it. I like loved that movie. I 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.279 thought it was so cool and like and well, sure 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:15.560 is so cool. 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.759 And I guess it didn't do well in the box 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.520 office and it was panned. It's in the in the DVDs. 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.520 Is when it came to like everyone was like, this 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.960 is trash. Rosy O'Donnell I remember ruined it for me 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.680 on her show. She revealed the end oh wow before 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.160 I even saw it. But I was young enough that 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.160 didn't bother me or something like that, Like but I 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.600 remember her being like, what the fuck? And one of 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.360 the articles I read for the crime talked about Rose A. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.000 Donald doing it. 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:44.600 It was at a time where like a kind of 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.960 a twist was like, so a big twist at the end, 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:49.879 was like, I mean, isn't it around the same time 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.839 as like I see dead people and that like you know. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:56.279 How shit, Yeah, And that's what Rosie was saying. She goes, 0:35:56.360 --> 0:36:00.920 well that the sixth sense was better because here he 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:05.160 gave him a business card, and I get the sentiment 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.640 of like, you shouldn't have a physical card and hand 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.600 it over if you're a figment of someone's imagination or something. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.920 But like Bitch has barely been out, like you can't 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.400 say that, but it sold sixteen million DVDs. 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.000 Wow, And that's how I watched it. I watched it 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.480 on DVD and. 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.799 Fincher, I guess these are just facts that won't be 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.080 in the crime. But I learned from reading all this stuff. 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.040 It was Edward Norton looked like the most ordinary actor 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.640 he'd ever seen, and he fought to have him. And 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.160 then they also talked about how Brad Pitch just like 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.640 set the bar for like six pack was invented after 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.480 that movie, like that he set the bar for action stars. 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.520 Like his body in that movie is like it's pretty 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.839 nuts wild. Yeah, No, I I loved it. 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.040 Seems were crazy movie. 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.359 It was just dark and bad and like meat Loaf 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.839 has tits and you're like, what the fuck is going on? 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.920 What's this penguin? Like I just it really blew was 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.359 Robert Paulson right? Is that? Yeah? Like there's so much 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.640 from it. Like that's the thing. I don't really feel 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.000 like I've rewatched it. 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.160 I've maybe caught it again like a piece of it, 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.719 but I don't really feel like I've rewatched it a ton. 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:16.359 I think I've seen it more than once, but. 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.400 Like, oh, I watched it once every year or two, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.319 I would say, yeah, it's a it's it was. It's 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.680 a good one. But that's interesting how it's been kind 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:30.759 of like bastardized by a different culture of guys. But 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.759 the that's the end of Act one. Though of this 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.000 episode is we're finding out that this is a fucking 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.200 fight club and it's twenty eleven. So I don't know 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.680 if that's like a time Liza is gonna get into it, 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.200 but apparently people are fight clubbing. 0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.840 So in wood reun also is this thing of like 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.680 is it like a Marilyn Manson video games are disrupting 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.880 the youth or like is it a blame or is 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:50.279 it a. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:51.879 Thing that right some people do. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:57.400 Yeah, So at the top of act two, we're in 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.560 Woodroom Blinds. One of the kids from the fight is 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.479 Nicki Roberts. Stabler goes to talk to him, asks about 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.399 his fight with this kid Anthony, and he's like, oh, 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.120 tonight was our first fight. I never knew him before, Like, 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.399 and uh, how did this come to be? He goes 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.040 Pop set it up and they're like, who's Pop and 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:18.040 he's like his dad hank uh And they're like, he 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:19.839 looks kind of young to be your dad, like cause 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.160 you're thirteen or something. And he's like, oh, he married 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.560 my mom five years ago. He adopted me and said 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:31.080 I have to call him Pop, which is wild I 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.040 And it's one of these double, these clever nicknames of 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:36.759 these shows, Like I always think of it as pop, 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.440 like poping someone in the face, you know, and but 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.239 it's also what he has to call his stepdad. So 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.399 just as Stabler is asking, well does your stepdad make 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:48.560 you fight? In walks the mom and it's Drea de Matteo. 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:53.759 As we've mentioned of Soprano's fame, she has gone a 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.359 little bit off the deep end. I feel like I 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.560 saw her on a podcast recently talking about chemtrail. 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.560 Casey's nodding, I don't know what a Kim trail is. 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:03.239 What's going on? 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.960 Yeah, I think that's why we didn't try to get 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.560 her for the pod, because I actually know somebody who 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.120 kind of knows her, And I feel like I could 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.879 have tried, and I was like, no, we can't. She's 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.919 like maga, She's like KEM trail, Like, keem trails are 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.759 like kem trails are like do you ever look up 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.640 in the sky and just see like a white like 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.239 like not a cloud, but like a white plume going 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:25.000 across the sky. 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:25.520 Yeah. 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:31.600 People think that's chemicals being distributed onto our crops, into 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.239 our water supply to control us to do this and that, 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.400 like there's a whole conspiracy about chemtrails. 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:38.319 And I saw her. 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:42.239 She went on the podcast of Jamie Lin Sigler and 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.000 whoever plays the brother on the Sopranos. 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.640 They have a podcast. Yeah I like it, right, Why 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.279 one of the clips but I like that? 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.440 Well, yeah, I saw one of the clips and she's 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.040 on and she's talking to them about how she's done 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.200 her own research about kemtrails and she's like, I started 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.960 to notice that the snow tasted differently, and they're like, 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.000 you're eating the snow. She goes, yeah, I gotta find 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.120 out what's going on. She was talking about like tasting 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.600 snow pre and post chemtrail and Jamie and Jamie Lynn 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.440 and the host were just like uh huh yeah, Like 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.959 they were just kind of like, well, we're not gonna 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.080 like call you out for being kogub bananas right here, 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.560 but like she's got some pretty fringe ideas. 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:21.040 I'll say that. 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:27.400 Uh so, I know, disappointing, but she's was at a 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.799 time at this time was quite famous for the Sopranos, 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.480 and this is like a big guest star for her. 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:39.160 And uh she's she comes barging into the room. Her 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.680 name is Sandra, and she's like, I don't want to 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.640 hear shit from you. Like she doesn't even really like 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.800 talk Tostable, doesn't even let him talk, and she's like, Nikki, 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:48.960 let's go. And Stabler's like, excuse me, I'm not done 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.680 with him, and she's a pushy broad like she's like, 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.560 I'm taking my son and my husband and we're getting 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.560 out of here. And the kid looks back at Stabler 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.560 as his mom drags him away, and it's kind of 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.880 one of those looks, one of those looks that hauntspent 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.920 and is Stabler when a kid is like, you're not 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.719 gonna help me, like and so Stabler sees the other 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.719 kid from the fight walking away. Ed is like so 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.280 he's just walking and Hardwick's like, well it's his first defense, 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.040 so it's a desk ticket, bye bye, and Stabler's pissed. 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.680 She He's like, these guys are forcing their kids to 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.239 fight and they're betting on it. And she's like, well, 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.360 the boy didn't say he was forced, so it seems 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.080 like it's just for sport. And they're like, well, what 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.120 about the dead kid Ethan And she's like, hold on, 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:29.960 dead kid, Like what does that have to do with this? 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.560 And they're like, well, we saw his uncle Joe paying 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.200 off Nicki steppedad Hank and it's probably because Ethan lost 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.160 to Nicki in a fight, and Finn's like, yeah, like 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.799 there definitely was a fight, but we just have to 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.879 prove it. So in the cement room bars we've got 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:49.680 Hank Roberts and he gives Stabler this like sort of cocky, 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.520 half assed apology like, sorry, officer, we didn't know we 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.359 were doing anything wrong. And they're like, well, you were 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.400 promoting gambling, so you're gonna get a ticket for that, 0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.239 and he's like, yeah, but you know I could of 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.520 Like I could have you could have get let me 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:02.839 out of here. 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.200 A while ago with the ticket. What's going on? 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:05.920 And they're like, well, let's talk about that. You know, 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.759 fat stack of cash. We saw Joe handing you and 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:10.520 he goes, what do you want? Like it was alone, 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.160 he needed he needed a car repair. I gave him 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.360 a loan and Stabler's not buying and he's like, well, 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:20.560 Joe's next door talking, so we're obviously doing a back 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.280 and forth cut next door to where Finn is putting 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:25.719 the fear of God in Joe the uncle, being like, 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.640 you know you're good for the murder of your fucking 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.080 nephew right now, you little shit, And Joe's like denying everything, 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.600 and Finn's like turning up the heat. He's like, you're 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.080 a pimp making a couple bucks watching your nephew get 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:39.279 beat to death, scumbag, like you probably bet against your 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.160 own nephew. And then Joe pipes up and goes, no, 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.880 that's against the rules. And then it's like you just 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:46.920 told on yourself, bro, Like now we know that this 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.600 is some kind of actual organized fucking thing, where what rules? 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:51.520 Finn wants to know. 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.799 Back to Stabler, pushing Hank for more details about this 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.920 kiddy fight club, and he goes, so you just let 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.719 your steps on beat kids up while you pocket the cash, 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.400 and Hank's like, I got a right to remain silent. 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.759 And then Stabler's like. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.040 Yeah, okay, well I got dirt on you, like and 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.520 he pulls out his rap sheet. He's got three nine 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:13.440 one one calls for domestic violence and he's like, neighbors 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:14.360 made those calls. 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.759 I was never arrested, as if that's. 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.960 Like a badge of honor, Like, yeah, I got away 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.080 with it three times, and Stabler's like, oh yeah, because 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.000 you know where to punch so no marks are left. 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:24.600 Yeah. 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.120 I noticed that you're ten years younger than your wife. 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.080 She probably thought she got so lucky with you until 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.200 you started smacking her around. You hit Nikki too, and 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:34.759 he goes, I love my son, and then he's like, 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:36.320 well then why are you hooring him out as a 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.840 punching bag. And Stabler is really taunting this guy, and 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.800 then finally Hank stands up and they're doing their little 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.680 like dance that they do where they move in a 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:46.680 circle and they kind of look like they're about to kiss, 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.280 you know. It's like this close talking thing that Stable 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.399 does with everybody, and he's like, what kind of man 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.399 does that? And he's like, why don't you take off 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.399 your gun and I'll show you. So this guy Hank 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.279 wants to fucking square up with Stabler, and Stabler's big. 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:00.720 I don't know why you think you can just fucking 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:02.960 take Stabler and Stable. 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:04.799 He's pretty outwardly muscular. 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:08.120 There's like, right, it's not like, oh, man, underneath that 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.040 big sweatshirt, I didn't know it. He wears these like 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.239 little dress shirts that are he's busting out of them. 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.799 You know, we've seen the butt too. Come on, he's 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:15.520 doing squats. 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.440 So Stabler slams him up against the wall in a 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:20.399 choke hold, and he's like, I don't have my gun 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.239 on me, but I've been looking for an excuse to 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.880 manhandle your ass. So Craigan walks in to get Stabler 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.359 to drop the guy. We've always got, Craigan. They always 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.320 have to have somebody watching Stable. Do you think Stabler's 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.160 ever done an unsupervised thing, because he'll he'll kill somebody 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.600 if you don't look out for him. And then Hardwick 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.400 is like, you're just gonna like rough that guy up 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.200 right in front of me. You just like bait him. 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.560 And then choke him out, like what the fuck? And 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.880 in the next room, Uncle Joe is spilling. He's like, 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.840 Hank never told me that Nicky was so much bigger 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.279 than Ethan. Like this idiot, this uncle cab driver is 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:52.839 just like I thought it was just gonna be two 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.719 little kids hitting each other. I didn't realize how big 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:56.759 this kid was. And to be fair, this kid Nicki 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.720 is like, not to sound girl, he's like a jacked 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.640 thirt ten year old, Like he's very strong, Like he's 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.640 very very muscly, and the other kid that they found 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.200 on the carousel looks little like so this was not 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.040 a fair fight. And he's like I tried to stop 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.480 the fight, but Hank held me back. By the time 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.439 I broke free, Ethan was on the ground. I didn't 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.520 mean for him to get hurt. And it's like you didn't. 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.840 Also didn't bring him to a hospital either, did you. Like, 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.759 you didn't bring him to get any medical attention. You 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.160 just took him home and let him stay home from 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.320 school with a stomach ache. Hardwick is like, Okay, well 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.480 tell Joe, we're going to charge him for criminally negligent homicide. 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.839 And what about Hank Stabler wants to know. Well, Hank 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.880 can't be charged on the word of a co conspirator. 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.479 We have to find another witness who saw the fight. 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:42.400 So and Joe's an idiot. He should have just given 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.560 He should have angled for a deal and said, I'll 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.640 tell you everything if I get immunity, and this guy, 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.759 I'll tell you everything about Hank because he's the fucking ringleader. 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.000 It seems like, so Stabler's pissed. We're just giving Hank 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.560 free reign to beat his wife and son. So now 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:59.000 Stabler's at the desk with the whole family, Hank, Sandra, 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.840 and Nicki, and he's writing out the desk ticket and 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:07.280 he goes to leave with Sandra and Nicki, and Stabler 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.160 goes Nicky and she's like, get away from my son. 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.360 But Stable just gives him like a handshake and was like, 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:14.600 nice to meet you. But he's obviously slipping him a 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.640 card as they love to do. As if I don't know, 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:20.839 I guess there's nine one one, but I guess it's 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.319 it is a good idea. The card is a good 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.640 idea because you know, Olivia gets people close to her 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:26.279 and then it's like, here's my number, call me day 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:26.560 or night. 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.359 It's smart. Craigan like knows his boy. 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.560 He's like, you better not, Stabler, stay away from that kid. 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.160 And Stabler's like, no, I'm going home. And it's like, yeah, right, 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:36.880 you're like allergic to your home, you're not going to 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.919 your home. And but at home, he does go home 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.840 and he's sitting on his bed and he's just Eli 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.960 is lying there awake, second on a pacifier, and they're 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:47.799 just staring at each other, like it's not like he's 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:49.200 watching a sleeping child. 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.120 Eli's like, what are you looking at? Dad? 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:55.560 And Stabler's just like intense. That definitely had to affect Eli, right, 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.320 He's like, I just have memories being like two three 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:00.879 of waking up and my dad just intense's staring at 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.520 me while I'm sitting on the edge of my bed 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:05.600 because he had to see so much horror every day. 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.400 And you know, obviously this is one of those moments 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.920 where we've got a show that Stabler has a personal 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.360 connection because he also has children, and what kind of 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.000 person would fucking put their kid into a fight club 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.680 and hurt them for money. The next day, we're at 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:23.680 ed Koch Middle School and Stabler sees Nicki walking into school, 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:24.520 chases him down. 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:25.719 When he grows to grab his arm. 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.840 Nicki winces and he's like, I fell, and Stabler's like, 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.480 come on, and he goes, you can't let your dad 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.440 get away with this. Sometimes if you talk to us 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.160 like words can do more than a punch. Sometimes Nicki 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.520 opens up. He goes, Hank punched me in the chest 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:42.000 when he found your business card on me. So Stabler 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:45.839 drives Nicki home and when he gets there, they're like, oh, 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.920 what's going on. There's like a cop car outside the 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.879 house and the mom is outside, and who gets out 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:54.080 of the car ed Tucker. IAB still not on our 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.200 good side at this point season twelve, we don't like 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.160 Tucker quite yet. He hasn't started He hasn't started actually 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.920 being helpful to the YPD, and he also hasn't started 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:06.520 dating Benson. So Sandra is like, that's him. I saw him. 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.360 I saw him do it. He beat my husband. And 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.920 Stabler's like she's lying, and then Tucker goes, I don't know, 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.959 I believe them. Hank gets out of the car. He's 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.120 got blood. All his nose is totally bloodied. It's dripping 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.479 down his whole face like he's been beat the fuck 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.680 out of So this guy's trying to pull some shit 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.080 though on the wrong dude, Like, we're not going we 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.680 are absolutely not in the business of getting Stabler busted 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.960 for punches he didn't throw, because let's be real, his 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.840 jacket is filled with punches he did throw. So in 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:38.080 interrogation with Tucker, Sabler's like, look, I love to punch people, 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.920 but I am not dumb enough to punch someone in 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.160 broad daylight in front of their own house, Like like, 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:42.640 look at me. 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.840 It's season twelve. Come on, I'm not that stupid. 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:49.120 And Hank is giving Kragan this sob story about how 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.560 Sailor had a short fuse and attacked him. And I 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.160 was just watching Nicky walk to school and then Stabler 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.200 just jumped me from behind, like he got me down 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.439 on the ground. I saw it with him a lot. 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.400 It's like, ah, he molested me, he touched me, he 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.480 fought me. You know that happens to him a lot. 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:07.319 It does, It really does. 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:12.359 And it's funny because I feel like mostly people are 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.720 pretty scared to like do anything against the cops because 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.160 they have all the power, and like people see this 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:20.800 massive guy and they're like, I think I'm going to 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:24.040 level of false accusation against this guy, like it doesn't 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:29.400 happen to Benson, right, Benson's not gotten accused of. She's 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.879 been framed, but she's not gotten accused of like Mishandling 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.879 a witness. I think they can tell he's a hot 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:36.839 head and they will try to. 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.680 Use it, right, Yeah, I just want it now. 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.759 I'm like, I'm trying to figure out because I feel 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.759 like it has happened to Benson. But where someone said 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:50.440 you touched me not yeah, you're right, it's framing or 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.960 like she's taking a kid or yeah, yeah, like she 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:58.680 definitely got framed, but yeah the biker so yeah, anyway, 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.440 and then now Dreanda Matteo, Okay, Sandra's talking to Finn, 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.520 going yes, Stabler said that he was going to teach 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:09.160 Hank a lesson for disrespecting him and then kicked him 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.880 in the face, and Finn's like, you saw all this 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.120 and she goes, yeah, I don't got eyes. Like she's 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.560 very she's very sopranos the whole time. 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:17.239 Uh. 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:22.279 Stabler tells Tucker they're just saying this as revenge for 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.640 me breaking up their little fight club, and Tucker is 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.920 as usual antagonizing Stabler and being like, yeah, seems like 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.759 this whole family's in pain. When you're around and outside 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.399 the room, Sandra and Nicki are fighting, so everybody goes 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.759 to like check it out, and Sandra Nicky's like, she's 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.759 trying to get me to lie and to say that 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.600 Stabler hit me and that I saw Stabler hit Hank. 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.000 And Nicky is over this shit. 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.240 He's like and Sandra's like, come on, Niki, like, without 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.080 Hank will be out on the street. She's like really 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.920 trying to get him to lie, and he goes, that's 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.799 what you said about the other guys too. At least 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:56.359 they didn't beat you up like Hank does. She looks 0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.759 around at Sabler and everyone is watching this go down, 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.480 and she goes, well, I look like somebody punched me. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:03.600 And this is where Nicky lifts up his shirt to 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.680 show this huge bruise on his chest and goes, what 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:06.360 do I look like? 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:06.680 Mom? 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:08.239 And this is where you do see that he is 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.520 quite a jacked thirteen year old. So Stabler didn't do 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.640 this to me, he goes, Hank did my loving pop? 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:18.040 And Sandra's like, oh, baby, say it ain't so I 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:19.880 mean She's doing quite an act too. She's trying to 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.880 act like she doesn't know that the abuse is going on. 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.520 She's like, say it ain't so, and Hank's like, no 0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.759 way tell him, Nicky. And then Stabler pipes in and goes, 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.440 NICKI did say his dad hit him last night, and 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:34.160 Nicki adds, and he made her hit him last night 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.719 to frame Stabler. So the injury that Hank has on 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.160 his face is from Sandra. And Stabler looks at Tucker 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:44.120 and then goes to arrest Hank. So it's like, look, 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.680 you gotta like you really didn't have any business being here. 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:48.319 Get the fuck out. We don't see Tucker again. 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.080 In wood Room Blinds, Nicky is gabbing with Stabler, going, 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.400 I never told my mom about the abuse because she 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.920 works late and I didn't want her to worry. So 0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:58.960 in this case, now we are to believe that she 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:02.000 doesn't know about the abuse as far as we know. Here, 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.920 when did the fighting start last year? He said he 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.400 Picnicky up from school and took him to the park 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.480 and then just threw him in with another kid and 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.400 told him to just start fighting on the grass. 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:13.799 And he goes, well, what did you do? 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.920 He goes, well, I knocked the kid out, but I 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.799 thought I killed him until I saw him start to move, 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.719 and he's like, and what does your dad do? He goes, oh, 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.080 Pop was smiling, said he was proud. Oh, and then 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.880 he goes, whenever I lose, Pop says, it's my fault 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:28.000 that we can't pay our bills. 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:29.279 So this is like fucked up. 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.239 This guy is fully just making money off of this 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.040 and then blaming the kid when he doesn't do well 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.120 in a fight. He goes, one time I lost because 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:37.839 I had a hurt shoulder, and when I got home, 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:39.799 he just kept punching me over and over in the 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:46.680 bad shoulder freak awful, like a masochist psycho. Sabler's like, okay, well, 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.080 we got to talk about Ethan Gilbert and Nikki's upset. 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.279 He's shaking his head. He goes, he was a little kid. 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.879 I told Hank it wasn't fair. I punched him light 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:55.839 at first, and then Hank said, if you don't knock 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.880 him out, you'll get it worse. And Hank is yelling 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:02.080 break his nose him in the eye, like sick fuck, 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:06.560 and Nicki said Ethan started puking, and Pop shouted at him, 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.520 knock him out, and he goes and I started pounding 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:11.440 him and it felt good and he didn't know why, 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.440 and I couldn't stop. And then he went down and 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.560 he didn't get up, and then he's crying and he's 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:18.360 he's saying, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that he died, 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.000 and he's like, this kid is like fucking traumatized. So 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.360 Craigan instance, he give you the vibe of the cool 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.120 older kid of in Sandlot Or am I delusional? 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:29.600 The boy Nikki doesn't know? 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.040 Yeah, the guy who actually eventually becomes up an MLB 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:33.840 baseball player. 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:35.560 Yeah, yeah, I get that. 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:39.080 Don't you feel like they have the same kind of yes, yeah, 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.400 I swag, yeah coolness. 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.520 Yeah, I mean one's more abused than the other, of course. 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:45.799 Yeah. 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.719 If this kid wasn't totally traumatized, I bet he'd be 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.000 a star athlete. He's very very strong, as I've said 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:56.320 many times, and he's just like just got this fucking 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:57.719 awful stepfather. 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:04.800 Wait, I'm not paying attention, or we we we met Joe? 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:07.319 What the guy who plays Joe? 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:12.600 Yeah, yeah, you know, he's the he's the powerful lifeguard. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:17.239 Shut the fuck up. Yeah, he's the only one. 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.279 I didn't look him up because I go, I don't 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.799 recognize that guy. That's why I was like, wait, was 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:26.600 I like, did I? She must mention Banello. He's the 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:27.399 fucking gird. 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:28.200 Oh my god. 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:31.239 It just goes to show you how much a mustache 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:35.200 can do, because that mustache well and a decade, yeah, 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.359 eleven years in a mustache will really put it. 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:38.960 That's a good that's a good disguise. 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.160 I did not clock that he's Paul Greco from the 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.160 episode Breakwater, the most powerful lifeguard in New York. 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:47.719 And yes, oh. 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:51.200 My god, I didn't catch it while watching it, though 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.319 I just got it. I didn't catch it because I 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.759 was thinking of the Sandlot thing, and so I looked 0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:01.200 it up and then I went, wait, excuse, Oh my gosh, 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:06.000 I can't believe. Wow, another another IMDb connection put together. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:11.440 I love it so much, Oh my god. So well, 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:13.279 that's the last time we see Joe, and still he 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:14.719 comes back eleven years later as. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:15.760 A very powerful lifeguard. 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.279 But Craigan and Sandra are watching Nicky's whole confession, him 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.080 crying about Ethan. They're watching it all go down from 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.440 the other side of the fish bowl glass and Craigan's like, well, 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:30.359 what happened to Nicky's like, bio dad and she's sniffling, Oh, 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.839 Nicky's dad took off when he was two, And did 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:37.040 you know about Hank abusing Nicki? And she goes, he 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.880 always said sorry, and it's like, so before you were 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.280 acting like you didn't know, and the brother was also 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.080 the son was also saying that you didn't know. But 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.440 now she's like, no, I knew, but like and that 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.520 then yeah, he says sorry until the next time he 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:54.000 hits you hit and he hits your son, and she's like, well, 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.080 Hank got laid off two years ago. All he could 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.439 find was a job driving a cab. He hates it. 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.719 I feel bad for him. And Craigan's like yeah, but babe, 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:03.680 that doesn't give him the right to like beat you 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:06.440 or Nicky and she's like, no, he loves Nikki. He 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.480 adopted him, Like why else would he adopt it. It's 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.319 like yeah, because it's like way easier to abuse him 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:13.239 if he is his. 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.960 Like legal father. And he's like, he loves me. 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:17.759 He tells me all the time that he loves me, 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:21.239 and Craigan goes they all say that every last one 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:24.080 of them. Craigan goes press charges and will get him 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.400 out of your and Nicky's lives, and she drops a 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.720 little bomb, I'm having his baby. 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:29.640 I need him. 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:34.000 So she's pregnant with the abuser's baby, and Craigan's like, well, 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:35.640 you need to get rid of him before he kills 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:38.080 one of you, and she goes, I already lost one 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:39.560 family when Nicky's father left. 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:41.319 I'm not going to break up this family too. 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:45.680 And that's it's just like the craziest I understand like 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:49.200 that the domestic violence like has so many circumstances and stuff, 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:54.160 but like your first guy left eleven years ago, this 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:56.160 guy is beating the shit out of you. I don't 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:59.279 really know what the connection is, but keeping together the 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.640 happy family, know is a thing that people think about 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.120 when they don't leave. One of the reasons people don't leave. 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.360 But it's frustrating to see from the outside. Of course, 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:12.880 at arraignment, Hank is up and who's there but our Queen, 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:19.920 Judge Louise Lewis Lewis Lewis, Louis Slowis Preston and she's 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:24.360 on the stand and this guy pleads not guilty. His 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.320 lawyer looks like a fucking blonde dork and he's like 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.080 Hardwick's like, I want remand for this wife beater, and 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:33.400 the lawyer's like, actually, he has very strong ties. 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:33.840 To the community. 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:39.400 It's like he's a scumbag, Like he's got three DV calls? 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:41.440 How is does he have strong ties to the community? 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:42.080 Like how is this not? 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.400 I guess no arrests And that's the problem. It's like, 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.160 no arrests means it's not like technically on the record. 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:53.160 So so Judge Lois gives him fifty k cash only 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.880 is the bail with an order of protection to have 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.200 and she grants it so he cannot go within two 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.640 hundred feet of his wife or steps on And those 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:03.280 really work. 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.400 Yeah, they work. We've never seen them not work. 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.840 It's basically putting a layer of glass around your victims. 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.800 And he's like, so where am I gonna stay? And 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.440 they're like Riker's Island if you fuck this up. So 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.600 as they're taking him away, Sandra's like, we'll get the money, baby, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.320 and he goes, no broad in a black robe is 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.200 gonna keep me from what's mine? And Stabler's like, yeah, 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:32.360 if she doesn't, I will, and she tells Sabler. The wife, 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.000 Sandra tells Stabler, I don't need the restraining order. Hank 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:40.240 would never hurt us, Like what are He's literally like 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.200 hurting you all the time. And it's like you could 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:47.280 just say, you could literally go he loves us, he's 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.960 getting better or something that would all make more sense 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:53.040 to me than he's He would never like it's just 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:57.040 fall de Lulu and like I wrote, yeah, like try 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.120 he's changed, he'll be different. There's so many more lies 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:03.360 you could go with. Sabler says, uh, he's gonna drive 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.440 them home and they're gonna put a patrol car on 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.320 their house all night. So then Craigan shows up and 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.360 tells them, listen, there's a shortage of police. We got 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.280 a traffic cop a little bit here, Like, uh, we 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.720 don't have we don't have anybody from this one precinct 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:18.720 on their house anymore. So we got to go over 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:23.080 there and watch them ourselves. And uh, Finn offers to 0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:25.960 go and with Stabler, and Craigan's like, no, I'll go. 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.560 He doesn't want this dumb ass guy trying to set 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:30.640 up any more of his cops. 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:33.240 So Stabler and Craigan pull up to the house. 0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.680 And Craigan acts daddy you know, yeah, and he and 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.800 he puts his money where his mouth is, you know, 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.200 or right he goes like on the steakouts. He could 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:44.680 just be behind a desk and he gets out in 0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.240 the field. And I like that about Craigan. That's like 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.680 truthfully currently on the show, that's let live like live. 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.280 I don't think ever has to be at a crime scene, 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.120 and she's at every crime scene like she's at every 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.960 single one hands on. So Stabler's about to get out 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:00.400 of the car and go check to make everything okay 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.280 at the house when we hear a gunshot. They call 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.560 it in. They run into the house. When they get there, 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.160 they see blood on the kitchen floor. When they go 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:12.440 down to the basement, Sandra is like slumped up on 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:13.800 the floor against the wall. 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.600 She's got blood all over her face. She's moaning. 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:20.360 Hank is lying face down looking pretty dead, and Nicki 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:24.040 is in the corner holding a gun. Stabler calmly tells 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:26.480 him to drop it. Obviously, Stabler has a rapport with 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:29.080 all angry young men. He tells him to drop it 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:33.120 and the mom he goes Mom let him in and 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:34.240 he started beating her up. 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:36.480 I didn't know what else to do. And that's the 1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:37.439 end of act three. 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.320 Okay, So now top of act four, A lot of 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.000 action in this act. Top of act four, Sandra's getting 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:46.840 wheeled into an ambulance on a stretcher. Her face is bloody. 1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:50.479 She's like, is my baby okay? And Nicky's like, I'm sorry, Mom, 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:53.320 I love you. She's giving him nothing, She's giving Nicki 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:57.000 nothing back. It's okay, son, We'll be all right. I think, honestly, 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.560 deep down, she's pissed. You just killed my boyfriend, my husband. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:02.440 So we see Hank's body in a body bag, so 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:06.440 officially he is dead, and Nicki is talking to Stabler 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:09.320 and he's like, I'm glad he's dead, and frankly, Nikki same, 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:11.480 I think we all feel that way. And then Nicky 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.840 starts angrily confessing all these details of the crime to Stabler, 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:17.560 like I came up behind him and I just and 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.320 Stabler's like, shut up, shut the fuck up, don't say 1:01:20.360 --> 1:01:23.280 anything else to me, don't say anything to anyone without 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:23.640 a lay. 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:28.040 This episode is just like every stereotype of Stabler in 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:32.560 one like totally breaking rules, trying to be a hero, 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:35.080 sneak in some car. 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.000 Like the truth, telling the truth on the stand even 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:39.880 when he doesn't have to, like I don't know, Like 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:40.520 this is. 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:42.400 A Stabler Bingo episode. 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:47.960 Yeah, it really is. It really fucking is going home 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.080 to his kids, Kathy looking in on it. You know, 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:54.080 we had, We've got everything. It's incredible Stabler only getting 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.000 super invested in a case when it involves anybody that 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:02.680 mirrors his own children, you know, so. 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:02.680 Oh so uh. 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.080 He tells Nikki shut your fucking damn mouth unless a 1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:07.200 lawyer tells you to talk. 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:08.360 You hear me? Do you understand? 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.080 And he's like, I understand, and then he gets taken 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:12.640 away to the precinct. But while that combo was going on, 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:17.440 we see Hardwick has gotten the attention. Okay, and like 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:21.200 Hardwick again, we've talked about her, the most forgettable. 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.800 DA that we have ada we have in SVU history. 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:27.200 She's just so discount bin Cabot, Like it's like you 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:30.120 just found an old Cabot in a at the bottom 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:31.880 of the bargain basement and you were like, I guess 1:02:31.880 --> 1:02:33.600 this will work, but it's rude. 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:35.919 But it's like when she talks, it feels like she's 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:39.520 auditioning for the part, Like you see her thinking about 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.240 the lines before she's like they're not in her. 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.680 Yeah, and she's flat, Well, we just this actress was 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.560 just in the episode with the banana up the ass, 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:50.280 Remember which one was that that we. 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:50.920 Just did. 1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:57.120 The Russia Love Poeck. Yes, she's in Russian love poem. 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.160 She's the one that's like the guy with the banana 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:00.600 of the butt. She was having some to them. She's like, 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.960 he knows all the moves. Like she was better as 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:06.640 the horny art lady in that episode. And then they 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.440 bring her back to be this da And I don't know. 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:12.840 I think sometimes people think playing it like very neutral 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.480 deadpan is like the way an eightya would be. And 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:17.120 I think there's just some people better at doing that 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:20.440 than others. And those people are Diane Neil and Stephanie 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:26.320 March and Brefael Barba rol as barsa excuse me. Yeah, 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:31.720 So anyway, she gets she doesn't hear anything in the conversation, 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:34.000 but she sees that they're having this heated conversation Nicki 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.680 and Stabler, and we get a little like side eye 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:38.960 from her, okay, and the camera is letting us know 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:43.160 that she's clocked this conversation and so when she when 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:46.080 Stabler walks up to Hardwicke, Melinda, and Craigan, they're all 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.640 in a huddle. Melinda's like, well, the stippling indicates that 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:51.120 he was shot at point blank range in the back 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:54.640 of the head. I'm ruling it a homicide. And Hardwick's like, okay, 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:57.920 we go in with justifiable and Stabler's like, yeah, Nikki 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:00.000 saw Hank beating the mom, got the gun to stuff 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:03.320 him from killing her, but not necessarily in that order, 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:05.360 says the voice of a random CSU tech. 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.560 I've never clocked before, but his. 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:10.720 Name is Adrian Sung, and he's been in seven episodes 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:13.960 over the course of The character's name is Adrian Sung. 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:16.160 He's been in seven episodes over the course of seasons 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:18.760 twelve and thirteen, but only one that we've covered, So 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:20.600 I guess that's why I'm not I haven't really like 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:24.400 fully focused on him yet for a recap. And he 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:28.280 found something in the basement that might change the story. Oh, 1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:30.000 so they all go down there and the tech does 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.000 a nice little forensic show and tell in the basement. 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:35.360 He shows them the trajectory of the slug where the 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:38.600 slug ends it up and he sprays something on a 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:41.680 laser beam to make to show a trajectory like it's 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:47.960 very you know, it's very ooh forensic science, and it 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:53.080 basically informs that Nikki's too short to have shot Hank 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:55.320 if in the back of the head, if Hank was 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.160 standing up, so he must have been kneeling down at 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:00.800 the sink because the bullet was found like underneath the 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:03.400 kitchen sink or the basement sink. I guess we're in 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:07.040 a basement, so it's not the kitchen. But so they're like, oh, 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:10.240 so he shot Hank execution style. He was bent down 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:12.800 on the ground and they're like yeah, or Hank was 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:16.080 already down there getting something from the cabinet, like maybe 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:18.400 this flask that he pulls out. Song pulls out this 1:05:18.440 --> 1:05:21.080 little flask. They're like, Sabler's like, is there a weapon 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:24.520 down there? And he's like, no, no weapon. So then 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:27.440 there was no imminent threat to Nicki's life, Hardwick says, 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.720 and I'm like, you are such a dumb bitch, Like 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:32.920 I don't know. This kid is a d V victim, 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:35.160 Like there's always an imminent threat to his life in 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:38.480 his mind, and he's now defied an order of protection 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:41.960 from the police, So would you not think, oh my god, 1:05:42.040 --> 1:05:43.720 this guy could do anything like and now he knows 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:45.880 we've gone to the police about him, like he's gonna 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.680 kill me. And Stabler's like, did you see the mother's face? 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:51.200 And Craigan goes, well, with this family, let's talk to 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:52.880 the mom before we jump to conclusions. 1:05:53.640 --> 1:05:55.200 I don't know. I don't know why anyone is why 1:05:55.240 --> 1:05:56.480 are we even prosecuting this man? 1:05:56.520 --> 1:06:00.400 But anyway, in the hospital, Sandra's in the hospit bed 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:04.240 face looking rough, okay, and she's like, what I remember 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:06.720 is Hank shows up at the door. He's begging me. 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:08.720 I can't leave him out in the cold, so I 1:06:08.760 --> 1:06:10.400 let him in. As soon as I let him in, 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:12.800 he starts beating me up, calling me a no good slut. 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:15.920 Nikki comes running out. As soon as she starts screaming, 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:18.640 Hank throws him to the floor. 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:20.840 And then he just kept kicking me. 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:23.000 And that's all I remember, Like, he's kicking you, and 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.280 you're pregnant with his child, so you know not that 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:29.680 you should kick a non pregnant woman. But nothing is 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:31.600 off limits for this guy, Like he's a psycho. 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:34.400 I mean, I think I mentioned it a few episodes ago. 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:37.920 But like the percentage of women in prison, like I 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:40.240 think it's the percentage is so hide people that just 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:41.160 killed their abusers. 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:46.440 Yeah, I just don't think it should even be honishable. 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:51.240 No, But like if the police and justice system don't 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:54.800 stop the domestic violence and don't care about victims, that 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:58.760 means they relate to the perpetrators, which means they're more 1:06:58.800 --> 1:06:59.680 sympathetic to them. 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:02.439 And I saw I keep I've seen this a couple 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:05.200 of times, this interview with this woman who went to 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:07.360 jail because she killed her abuser and he was in 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.240 the straw that broke the camel's back for her was 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:12.800 when he started hitting her kids and she killed him 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:15.520 and she was in jail and she's like, honestly, in here, 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.720 I'm safe and I've learned a trade, and I you know. 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:21.120 Now she said the first time she felt free as prison, 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.520 Like she went to prison to feel free because that's 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:28.000 how awful she felt, this abusive relationship. 1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:30.800 It's like crazy, it's it's it's but. 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.600 It's what we talked about this with the Eileen Werno's 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:34.840 case to where it's or maybe we didn't, but it's 1:07:34.920 --> 1:07:37.920 like if people are against type, we expect men to 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:40.040 be monsters or whatnot, and so like then when a 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:43.360 woman does it, you punish. It's like it's when people go, well, 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:45.320 women could be worse, I'm like, could they? 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:47.920 Well, it's like when we did the episode, the Whoopi 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:51.240 Goldberg episode and the woman whose husband killed her child 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.600 got less time than she did for not stopping it. 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:58.480 Yep. Yeah, Like women are not allowed to be like. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:03.000 The bad guys. So that's all she remembers. Okay, she 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:05.960 did not see Nicki shoot Hank, she says, and then 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:10.720 Hardwick is like, well the evidence doesn't suggest self defense, 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:14.920 and Sandra goes you saying you don't believe Nicki, and 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:19.360 Hardwick has the stupidest face on, like like I know 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:20.200 you guys can't see me. 1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:21.000 It's a podcast. 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.639 But she's like, go back and freeze on that face, 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.000 like the face, it's the worst face, and they hang 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:27.720 on it. The camera hangs on it for like a 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:30.000 second too long. It made me want to punch her. 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:33.400 And now Drea de Matteo summons all of her sopranos' 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:35.920 powers and she sits up in her hospital bed and 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:38.960 goes the only reason Hank got close to my house 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:42.000 is because your cops took off and now you're accusing 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:46.759 my boy of lying. And then it's kind of like yeah, tea, 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:50.160 you know, like she's right, and then she tells them 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:53.080 do not go near Nicki. So outside the hospital room, 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:56.160 Sabler is getting into it with Hardwick. He's like nice 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:59.320 bedside manner, and she's like, I want the truth and 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.479 she's like, what was that conversation that you had with 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:04.240 Nikki by the ambulance when Hank went buying the body bag. 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:06.639 And Stabler like is like pissed. 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:10.559 He's like, listen, this guy violated a protection order and 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:14.080 Hardwick is arguing, yeah, but he wasn't threatening anyone when 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:15.880 he was on his knees and that kid blew his 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.960 brains out, so and again I'm like, is. 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:19.840 She fucking kidding me? 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.559 Like this is basically like if you're in the middle 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:25.280 of a home invasion and the guy who's invading your 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:28.640 house and has tied you up stops to eat a sandwich, 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:30.280 are you not allowed to break free. 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:31.080 And shoot him? 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.840 Like just because he stopped to go get alcohol, you 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.040 think that the behavior was gonna get nicer when he 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.839 got his flat, was like things were going to improve 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:41.280 once he got some booze in his system, Like, I 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:42.880 just think this woman is such a dumb bitch. This 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:44.439 doesn't feel like I'm like, send her a pair of 1:09:44.479 --> 1:09:48.879 our dumb bitch socks, like you're not going to convince 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.160 a jury that, like he didn't think he was in 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:54.320 danger just because he didn't shoot the guy as he 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:57.200 was coming toward him with a raised fist, like he's 1:09:57.240 --> 1:10:01.040 thirteen years old. And then she goes, he's thirteen, I 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:05.000 can try him as an adult, and okay, I'm like, 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:07.160 and why do you want to do that? He's an 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:10.000 abused boy, Like wouldn't you try to move it to 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:12.639 family court even if it was on purpose, like even 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.000 if it was like wow, he really did say yes, 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:16.120 I plotted this for days. 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:19.479 But he's thirteen years old and like an abuse victim. 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.200 And Stabler's like, oh, so you can parade him into 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.559 the court and win points with the DA And she 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:27.040 tells him, do your job, arrest Nikki for second Drea 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:29.400 murder and he goes, do it yourself and he walks away, 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:32.599 which I love. Now we're at the precinct, Stabler's looking 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:35.080 over the case on the blackboard, of course, and Live 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.400 is back and she's like, wow, I was in court 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:40.040 all day and you're the one pissing off lawyers. And 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:43.479 he's like, oh, you talk to Hardwick And this idiot 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:47.120 called Benson to see if she would maybe get some 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.040 info out of Stabler about the conversation with Niki, and 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.240 it's like, wow, you're even dumber than I thought you were. 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:55.400 Benson obviously tells her to shove it. Benson and Stabler 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:58.880 talk about the Nicky situation and Benson tells him you 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.160 didn't do anything wrong, and Sailor goes, we'll tell me 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:03.000 that tomorrow. And he's like, I really don't want to 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:06.080 arrest Nikki and Benson goes, so fight fire with fire? 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:10.000 What does that mean? We'll find out after this commercial break. 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:10.360 So no. 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:13.080 Now we're talking to Sandra in cement room bars and 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:15.880 she's like, you cannot talk to Nicki and Hardwick goes, 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:18.640 he's a miner, so you have to be present when 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:21.759 I mirandized him. And I'm like in my head, going, okay, 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.599 so he's a miner. He cannot be mirandized without a parent, 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.560 but he can be tried as an adult, Like what 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.920 what is this system here? Like if he's a little 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:32.519 baby that needs to have a parent with him to 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.040 get his Miranda rights. Then that's how you have to 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.400 try him at court too. So Nicki comes into the room, 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:38.479 he runs to his mom. 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:39.120 They're hugging. 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:42.639 Hardwick immediately starts the Miranda rights, and right as she says, 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:44.639 if you give up that right, we hear, Oh he's 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:49.360 not an in strolls absolute icon of cinema and my life, 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:54.639 Olympia du Caucus with a perfectly smooth silver sus Ormon haircut. 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:59.240 She is a vision. I love Olympia du Caucus. I 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:01.960 don't know if you have a relationship with her. She 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:07.040 shares mother in Moonstruck. She's a main character in Steel Magnolius. 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:10.080 Her relationship with Shirley McClain's character in Steel Magnolia is 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:10.879 one of my favorites. 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.559 Weeza and I forgot. 1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:15.880 I honestly forget what Olympia's character's name is because Wesa 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:16.760 is so iconic too. 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:18.799 But I love Olympia to Caucus. 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.000 She just passed into twenty twenty one, and I just 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:23.799 like love her so much. I think she's the Bee's 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:27.800 fucking knees. And uh, Sandra doesn't know who this brad is? 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:30.640 When she walks in, she says she's Debbie Marsh and 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:33.439 she goes. Stabler says, you need a lawyer, and Sandra goes, well, 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:35.600 I can't afford you. She just looks her up and 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.320 down and is like, whatever this is, I can't afford it. 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:40.960 She's like, you are not a public defender, and she goes, 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:43.639 it's on the house. And then she goes to Hardwick 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:46.800 proud of yourself charging a battered kid with murder two 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:49.519 and she goes, I'm more than open to a deal, 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:52.799 and Olympia Doucoccus goes, well, I'm. 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:55.360 Not and just go the fuck off. I love her 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:55.880 so much. 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:59.280 She's like, no jury's gonna convict this kid once they 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:02.320 hear what this like monster did to him. So now 1:13:02.360 --> 1:13:04.400 we're in court, and I love that they got to 1:13:04.439 --> 1:13:06.320 Olpia du Caucus, but they probably could only get her 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:07.439 for like a day of shooting. 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:09.559 So she's only really in this last bit, right. 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:12.439 So now we're in court and Debbie's got Stabler on 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:15.000 the stand and he's describing Nicky's state of mind the 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:17.839 night of the murder, what happened. Stabler's like, I believe 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:20.200 him that, you know he was scared and he thought 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:20.680 that there was. 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:23.120 A threat on his life. And now Hardwick it's her turn. 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:25.600 She asked Stabler, what did you and Nicky say in 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:31.479 this private conversation that I witnessed and Olympia Debbie argues, 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:34.840 this is inadmissible, like, you know, he's a minor, he 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.840 had not been mirandized. And Hardwick is trying to say 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:41.439 that it's a spontaneous utterance. The law is so weird, 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:43.720 isn't it so weird that if you I don't even 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:48.000 know that well, you know how, like you can't interrogate 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:49.280 somebody without a lawyer. 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:50.759 But if you get to a crime. 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:52.439 Scene and somebody goes, I did it, I killed him, 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:54.800 that counts as a spontaneous utterance even though their lawyer 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.719 wasn't there. It is just a weird caveat we've carved 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:00.200 into the law, like if you're keyed up when you 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:04.360 say something, it's out. But if you were calm, like 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.120 it's in, you know, but if you were calm when 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:07.960 you said it, we can't use it. Like I don't. 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.200 It's it's so funny to me. But Debbie argues, like, yeah, 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:13.519 this is a kid, and the judge is not buying it. 1:14:13.560 --> 1:14:15.120 I think this is the judge who had the dolphin 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.160 porn on his computer, but I can't remember exactly. 1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:19.240 I tried to look it up, but I didn't have time. 1:14:19.880 --> 1:14:23.160 And then he overrules the objection and orders Stabler to 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:23.960 answer the question. 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:27.120 Why can't Stabler just lie? Nobody knows what was said 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:27.720 between them? 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:31.120 He could have just said that, then Stabler wouldn't be Stabler. 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:34.080 I know, I know, but it's like this poor fucking 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:37.519 beaten up kid, Like, couldn't you just say no, one 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:39.800 knows except for you, Like you could just say he 1:14:39.920 --> 1:14:42.080 just was rambling. I couldn't really make a lot out 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:43.960 of what he was saying. It was a lot about what, 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:45.880 you know, how his dad was hurting him. 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:46.320 You know. 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:50.519 I think this was the judge that has the championship roses. 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.800 No, it's not. It's not no different judge. I think 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:57.799 this is dolphin porn judge. I thought it was older. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:01.800 I thought that wasn't an older guy. I thought it 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:03.840 was like, who's the main one, who's the main We 1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:07.240 need to make a fucking full roster of all the judges. 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:09.120 But this is judge Walter Bradley. 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:10.880 He's in. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.760 Oh my god, he's in so many episodes. Wait, there's 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:19.320 an SVU episode called Hubris. I think that might be 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:22.000 from a different The way you say franchise is hard 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:22.280 for me. 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:25.880 What Hubris? Yeah, that's how you say it. 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:27.720 I know I've been saying it wrong and it makes 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:29.360 me uncomfortable to hear you say it. 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:31.880 Oh, how do you say it Hubris? Oh? Hugh, I 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:34.680 think you can say Hubris too, right. I don't know. 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:38.200 I don't really use that word much. No, I said 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:41.360 it a lot. I said it today in one of 1:15:41.360 --> 1:15:42.599 our interviews. I did, right. 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:45.559 I don't. I don't say it a lot, but I 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:47.080 I did learn it in high school. It was a 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:50.600 part of my vocab. Oh no, sorry, Yeah, Hubris is 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.200 a Law and Order regular. So this guy goes across, 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:57.120 he goes across both both things. 1:15:58.760 --> 1:15:59.719 He was in the episode. 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:02.800 Can I remember the dolphin thing being like, oh, I 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:04.519 fucked up my Matt? 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:06.120 Like, but maybe this guy has. 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:08.080 Been older we have to Yeah, we can move on, 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:11.559 but we'll figure it out before the post mortem. Yeah, 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:15.000 poison retro. Yeah, he's been in a lot anyway. Anyway, 1:16:15.080 --> 1:16:16.880 we'll figure it out for you, guys, don't worry. 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:18.479 Keep listening. Yeah, listening. 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:21.439 Wait, have you seen the post? If you're in line 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:24.880 to suck, If you're in line to suck Bill Clinton's dick, 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:32.120 stay line. So you know, I hate the Internet in 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:33.960 a lot of ways, but it's so it brings me 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:35.040 so many laughs. 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:36.800 People are so funny. 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:40.760 What in ancient times we couldn't spread humor to each 1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:43.559 other at this rate? It was just it's too good, 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:48.600 all right. So Stabler can't just lie. He tells the 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:51.479 court that Nikki said he was glad his stepdad was 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:53.600 dead and that he deserved to die for what he 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:57.640 did to his mom. So uh, I'm like, okay, So 1:16:57.760 --> 1:16:59.400 he's in shock, Like, I don't see how that's a 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:03.280 smoking guy either, And they also say what did he yell? 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:05.479 And he goes, he yelled I put the gun to 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:09.080 his head again, So what, Like, I still don't buy 1:17:09.160 --> 1:17:12.640 how any of this is not excusable by being a 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:17.680 traumatized victim. And outside the courthouse now, Stabler rolls up 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:21.240 on Sandra, who's just having a little pregnancy smoke and 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:23.960 she go he goes, are you smoking? 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:24.600 Are you kidding me? 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:26.280 And he goes, you ever stop being a cop, And 1:17:26.320 --> 1:17:28.439 it's like, I don't think he cares about smoking in general. 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:32.040 But go he goes, I'll stop becoming a cop once 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.120 you start being a mother. He goes, You're on the 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:36.400 stand in ten minutes. And she's like, I can't do it, 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:38.920 and he's like, you have to. Nicky needs you, and 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.160 she goes, you know the night that Hank was hitting 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.559 NICKI in the shoulder, I watched him do it. I 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:45.679 felt every punch and I knew where he had his gun, 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:47.200 and I wanted to go get it, but I didn't. 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:48.200 I didn't do a damn thing. 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.040 And now I have to go what go admit to 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:52.080 this jury what a shitty mom I've been. And it's like, yeah, 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:54.760 that's the fucking least you could do, babe. At this point, 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:56.640 like I do believe she's a victim as well, but 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.719 it's like, you don't need to not go on trial 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:02.559 for your son. And then Stabler goes, this isn't about you, 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.640 it's about Nicky, and she goes, you really think I 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.320 don't give a crap about him, and Sablor goes, no, 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:08.200 I think you're a battered woman who doesn't know where 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.240 to turn. And she's like, Hank paid the bills, he 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:13.160 fixed the house, he put food on the table, he 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:15.720 kept everything under control. What am I going to do 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:18.200 without him now? And he's like, well, now you're in control, 1:18:18.240 --> 1:18:19.640 and you have to protect your son, and it might 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:21.439 be your last chance to fucking do it, so get 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:23.600 your ass on the stand. So now she's on the 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:27.320 stand and Hank said, she's reporting that. Hank said he 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:28.840 was going to make me pay for ratting him out 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:31.720 to the cops while and then he started beating me 1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:34.680 in the kitchen, and I was like, I could never 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:37.280 be on this jury because I'd be like, anyone is 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:39.160 allowed to kill this man, Like anyone on the street 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.240 can kill this man, Like I don't care, you know, Like, 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:44.960 and I don't think it'd be fun to uh be 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:48.519 on a jury with yeah, Like I would try to 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:53.639 be the foreman, I think, right, and then he would 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:54.680 never let me sit on it. 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:57.760 But I never getting on a journey for I think 1:18:57.760 --> 1:18:59.040 we're never getting on a jury for the rest of 1:18:59.120 --> 1:18:59.960 our lives because we have. 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.599 But did you I think see the clip where Reese 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:05.639 Witherspoon did an interview and she would serve jury duty 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.360 and they made her the foreman because of legally blonde 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:10.280 and she had to be like you, I'm not a lawyer, 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.240 and they're like, you do it and they made. 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:14.160 Reese do it. You went to Harvard Law. 1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:17.759 Yeah, wow, that's crazy. 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:22.200 I never heard that. That's wild. Oh my god, I'm so. 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:24.880 Surpri Okay, whatever, I I just you and I will 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:26.880 never if they ask us, like, do you watch do 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:28.080 you know anything about the law? 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:30.600 They want people that are interested in the law and 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:31.599 know about it, like I don't. 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:33.479 I don't think they want people that think they know 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:36.280 a lot about the law because they've watched like TV 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:39.200 shows and because we've like actually researched some laws. 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:40.880 Like I don't think they want people like that, like 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:41.439 at all. 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:47.120 But Debbie asks her what happened next, and Sandra gets distracted. 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:49.040 She goes, I want to say something, and the judge 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:51.680 is like, answer the question, and then she goes, I 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:53.600 never thought you'd go after NICKI and I can't let 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:55.600 him go to prison for something that I did. It 1:19:55.720 --> 1:19:58.200 was me I killed Hank. And then Nicky stands up 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:00.840 and goes, mom, no, this is twist I didn't see 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:03.560 coming and I didn't realize that this is the exact 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:05.599 plot of the ballot of Dwight and Arena the other 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.439 episode that we've done with where Ricky Lindholm was Our 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.759 guests like, it's the same plot. It's like abusive dad 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:16.240 beating up a step son beating up a wife. One 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:18.960 of them kills him, and we don't really know which 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.920 one because they're going to play a sort of mistrial 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:25.320 strategy on each other and causing reasonable doubt. So my 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:27.560 first thought is okay, Like when they have tested for 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:30.120 gunshot residue on both of their hands, like, I'm always 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.679 looking for the holes, you know, And the judge tells 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:35.760 her like, Sandra, you are confessing to crime, to a 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:37.640 crime of murder in open court. You have the right 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:40.120 to remain silent. She's like, I don't want to remain silent. 1:20:40.160 --> 1:20:41.840 He was beating me. He was going to kill both 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:42.200 of us. 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:44.200 I went and found his gun, and when he was 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:46.040 by the work bench, I guess it wasn't a sink. 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:47.400 It was like a work bench. It looked like a 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:48.719 sink to me, but it was dark. 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:50.960 She goes, when he was at the work bench, I 1:20:51.000 --> 1:20:53.439 stuck up behind him and I blew the bastard's brains out. 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:55.280 And Nicki's like, don't listen to her. 1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:57.960 She's lying to save me. I did it, and then 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.160 she's like, no, I did it, and she's crying. The 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:01.840 judge calls a recess. I don't know what else you 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:05.120 can do, and then Hardwick turns to Stabler in a 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.960 callback to his earlier comment and goes, my parade just 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:11.320 became a circus. And now we're back with Sung, this 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:15.040 technician and he's showing Hardwick and Stabler one of those 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:18.000 top of the line animated videos that the NYPD makes 1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:21.640 to show how like crime scenes can play out, and 1:21:21.680 --> 1:21:26.320 he's like, look, it's plausible that Sandra shot Hank NICKI 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.120 came and took the gun out of her hands, and 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:31.439 she ended up across the room, which is why we 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:33.960 never suspected her. And I'm like, because she was across 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:38.000 the room, what like, she was all the way ten. 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:39.120 Feet away from where it happened. 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:41.320 We didn't think it could have been her like, and 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:44.120 then he goes, then that's why we never tested her clothes. Again, 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:46.960 this feels like it all police work could. 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:47.559 Have been done. 1:21:48.080 --> 1:21:50.320 And then so they end up they do test her 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:55.800 clothes now, which I guess haven't been washed or maybe 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:58.160 the hospital has them. So chain of custody has been 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:03.639 maintained her turtle was saturated with gunshot residue and fine 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:07.559 blood spatter particulate. So they're like, oh, okay, so Nicki 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:09.200 didn't kill him, it was her and Song. 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:09.680 Yeah. 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:12.120 Do you think if I was on jury duty selection 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:13.280 and I said, what was that word? 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:16.559 You just said? Particulate but blood spatter particulate? Yeah? 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:18.080 Do you think if I said that then let me 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:27.080 stay I'm pretty interested in blood spatter. Yeah, particulate. Yeah. 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:31.600 So Song is like, I can't actually testify to that 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.160 because Niki also had gunshot residue and spatter on him, 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:38.000 So either one of them could have shot Hank with 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:39.280 the other close by. 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.400 So it's the twins. 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:46.880 It's the twins if you can't, Yeah. 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:48.960 It's the twins from identity. I mean. 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:51.479 The thing is, though, it's like, I really do feel 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:54.559 like the gunshot residue is more apparent on the person 1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:57.960 who shot the shot. So if they swab Nicki's hands 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.120 and he didn't really have it on his hands, but 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:02.360 he had it on him and she did it, I 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:03.960 don't know. It feels like this could have been solved 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:06.840 with forensics, but they're acting like it was so forensically 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:10.040 perfectly set up that either ononer of them could be it, 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:13.040 and Hardwick goes, I'm screwed, aren't I? And Sabler goes, 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:15.280 now you know how they felt? Give it to her? 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:16.920 And like, I know. 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:19.040 Justice is blind, but I honestly don't even understand why 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:21.880 we prosecute crimes like this, Like when someone has like 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:25.240 the fucking record of just like abuse and there's a 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.679 testimony and evidence of someone just being an abusive asshole, 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:30.920 and we're like, let's spend tax payer money to put 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.240 the person who murdered them to jail. I don't get it, 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.360 Like I really don't, But I understand that that's like 1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:37.840 not how the system works, and we have to do 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:40.080 it that way. But I think there should be some 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:44.880 cases where it's just like, oh, this monster, Like, yeah, 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:46.920 I don't, we don't have to do it. Like if 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:50.479 they like found evidence of like who killed Epstein in jail, 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:52.560 it was like another inmate, we're not prosecuting. 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:53.840 I don't, We're not doing it. 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:57.080 Was I that was a job, of course, of course, 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.679 of course, but that just came to mind as another 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:05.520 bad person. So next scene, next and final scene, NICKI 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:14.400 said on everybody's lips, is gonna be Epstein Epstein. Sorry 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:16.479 I did that. It just really came over me like 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:18.519 a and you guys are gonna see it soon. But 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:20.559 we did have a guest ask us, have you guys 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.040 ever seen Chicago the musical? What a laugh? What a 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.519 laugh we had? Not only do we see I think 1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:29.960 I like quote it once a day. So in then 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:32.320 the last scene, Nicki and Sandra have been upgraded to 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.880 wood room blinds. Okay, Stabler and Hardwick tell them listen, 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:38.320 neither of you is being charged with Hank's murder. That's 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:41.479 why your lawyer's not here. But we just have this 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:43.640 thing where we gotta know, So can you tell us 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:45.920 what happened? One of you pulled the trigger, one of 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:48.080 you tried to knock the gun away. I promise no 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:51.000 one will prosecute you. So which one was it? And 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:54.479 they both say I did in unison And they're so right. 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:56.960 Don't trust this dumb strawberry blonde bitch. She's not gonna 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:58.480 help you like she could. Absolutely. 1:24:58.720 --> 1:24:59.439 She just goes, you have. 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:02.519 My w because it wasn't double jeopardy, it wasn't thrown 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:04.320 out yet, Like you can't fucking do that shit. 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:06.360 No, if she found out the truth. 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:08.080 I could see this woman going and trying to find 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.960 more evidence that supports the truth and then taking it 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:14.640 back to trial. What I don't think happened is that 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:17.599 I think Nicki did it and she tried to stop 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:19.840 because I think if Sandra was gonna shoot him, Nicky 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:23.080 wouldn't have tried to stop it. So why would there 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:28.120 be gunshot residue on him? But that's my personal theory. 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:31.040 Who cares. They're they're free to go. They both walk 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:34.240 out hugging in and hopefully maybe she stays celibate for 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:34.760 a little bit. 1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:38.400 No dating, No dating, Yeah, no dating? Why therapy? 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:42.840 He said, she works crazy hours, work your job, put 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:44.280 food on the table for you and your kid. 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.000 Let's leave it, you know, like, let's do it, like 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:49.040 whatever I feel. Whatever. 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:53.200 So Hardwick says we're never going to know which one 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:55.519 of them did it, and Sabler goes, does it matter? 1:25:56.080 --> 1:25:57.400 And that's dick wolf Baby. 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:01.519 They're happy another abuse user is dead and that his 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:05.639 buddy Nikki is not going to jail. Yeah, all right, 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:14.440 take me to the modern fight Club, Lisa. 1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:18.920 Listen, this is one of those where, like even on 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:22.080 the Wick, it's like inspired by the fight club phenomenon 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:24.080 caused by the book and film, and it's like I 1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:27.360 don't know, I don't buy it, but yeah, because but 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:30.439 maybe I do whatever. But we're fight club's the thing 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:32.880 before the fight club. Like I don't know, I don't know, 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.000 like we're people fighting. I think people. 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:39.600 Definitely did like boxing clubs and shit like that, but 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:40.840 we're boxing clubs. 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:45.120 That's what's Yeah, Well, I just think this movie made 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:46.080 it that. 1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:50.000 It's like you're hitting to like feel something, right, Like 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.280 aren't you hitting to like aren't you in this fight 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:55.080 club to like feel like a man and act like 1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:55.519 a man? 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:59.920 Yeah, it's like the malaise of consumerism and like you know, 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:00.800 all of that. 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:04.639 And then it's like, yeah, men don't get out there 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:06.759 and hunt and gather anymore or whatever. 1:27:07.240 --> 1:27:09.240 They're stopping you. I don't understand. 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:12.599 Always, oh we can't do what you go go gather, 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:13.439 go hunt. 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:17.760 Yeah I could see though, people, I mean the whole 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:21.240 stopping guy Bottoms has a bunch of girls starting a 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:23.720 fight Bottoms. 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:25.640 I can't believe I forgot about that. 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:30.920 Yeah, I just feel like outside of violence and rape, 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:34.680 like if you're a dude, do whatever you want, go 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:35.400 do what anything? 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:38.439 Else you want. We're not stopping you. The only thing we. 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:41.200 Don't want is just like, uh, we just want to 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:42.559 be able to like choose our future. 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:46.200 Like I don't understan, I don't understand. Well, there was 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:49.280 another thing online where it's like men suffer in silence, 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.080 and it's like, well, then why am I hearing about it? 1:27:51.479 --> 1:27:57.240 Yeah, I'm hearing quiet. Yeah it's not very silent or 1:27:57.360 --> 1:27:59.160 the cool. Yeah, I just I have to get off 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:04.360 the internet. I just beacon memes. Ah, the male loneliness 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:06.920 epidemic is not being solved by a fight club. 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:08.639 Well, it's like men can't cry, and it's like, well, 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:10.599 men shouldn't hit women, but you guys found a way. 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:12.920 I don't know, like figure it out. Go cry and 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:15.120 men can cry. Nobody said they can't. 1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:18.160 Come on, Well, they're just trying to back the only 1:28:18.200 --> 1:28:21.000 person says men can't cry or other men. Well, and 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:23.720 there are true there are women that are for it, 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:26.920 and these guys want to fuck these women. Yeah, and 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:29.519 sometimes you do what you gotta do to fuck the 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:33.080 women that you want to fuck, and some of them 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:35.559 don't want you cry. I'm thinking about the movie Don 1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:38.360 John where Scarlet Johanson's like, don't you fucking clean your 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:41.200 own apartment? It's like what, But you do what you 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:42.760 have to do if Scarjoe tells you to. 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:44.679 Yeah, all right. 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:49.400 So we're in Indio, California, and the La Times reported 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:50.320 in two thousand and six. 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.360 Guess how I read this article. I got into the 1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:54.040 La Times. 1:28:54.160 --> 1:28:57.719 I copied everything and was able to paste it into 1:28:57.920 --> 1:28:59.080 a Google doc because I. 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:00.599 Will not pay for the La Times. 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:06.840 Yes, so I quickly and I found a new hopper. 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:07.200 I know. 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:10.040 Everyone always is so kind and sends me so many 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.120 things to help me, and I am just gonna try 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:16.599 to race the time and copy and paste full articles 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:17.040 and ads. 1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:18.240 So yeah. 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:20.519 Two thousand and six, A boy dies in a fight club, 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:25.000 sixteen years old, Jefferson Pittner. He collapsed after fighting in 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:29.080 three boxing matches in Palm Desert Park and it was boxing, 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:31.479 and like the one in Minnesota I cover later, also 1:29:31.560 --> 1:29:33.639 boxing gloves, Like a lot of these boys were wearing 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:35.679 boxing gloves, so it's not like they were like trying 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.680 to murder each other, I don't think. After collapsing, the 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:41.519 other teenagers called nine to one one immediately, According to 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:45.400 Sergeant Earl Quinata, who is a spokesperson for the Sheriff's office. 1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:50.000 This young boy died of head injuries just before eleven pm. 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:52.400 There were eleven boys that were part of the club 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.320 that were questioned, and it wasn't really a popular thing. 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:57.800 It's not like the whole neighborhood was like look at 1:29:57.840 --> 1:29:58.839 those cool guys. 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.479 They'd just been doing it for a few years. 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:05.160 And like I said, it was with boxing gloves. It 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:08.599 was treated like a homicide. But I couldn't find any 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:09.759 charges being filed. 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:14.479 Okay, so maybe they investigated and then like kind of. 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:19.639 Weren't able to charge anybody. Yeah. 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:24.479 I mean also like, was there any bedding going on 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:24.960 in this? 1:30:25.600 --> 1:30:25.960 No? 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.400 No, was it just this something It's like fight thought 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:30.639 the movie had nothing to do with making any money 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:33.120 off of it, right, Like, well, and it wasn't children, 1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:37.240 I guess, right, I don't. To me, this feels like 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:39.320 it's a combo of the fight club thing and the 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:42.599 dog fighting thing, like the dog fighting scandal had happened 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:45.759 like in the early two thousands with Michael Vick. 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:47.439 Right I recovered the VIC case. 1:30:47.800 --> 1:30:52.240 No, No, I feel like it's just like dog fighting 1:30:52.280 --> 1:30:55.320 is in people's minds and the SPU is probably always like, 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:58.439 how do I turn something into something that's kids? And 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:00.280 it's like, oh, these fight clubs are happening, and so 1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:01.840 they like combo it, you know what I mean? 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:05.840 Yeah, and it could like when I was growing up, 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:10.320 people were backyard wrestling, you know, I just think there. 1:31:10.880 --> 1:31:12.360 And when I was in high school, I was doing 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:17.000 jackass stuff. I was definitely out there. I was definitely 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:22.240 doing things with mouse traps and hills and like I 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:25.559 was doing stuff I love jackass. I was like jumping 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:30.919 onto Christmas blow up decoration. Like, so kids do stupid 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:34.639 things I don't and and don't care about their bodily 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:38.559 harm unfortunately, because you know we covered that kid. What's 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:42.000 the episode with the the light bulb that severed the 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.479 carotid artery on the thigh? 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:47.200 Is the thigh the karateid? What's the thigh? And the 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:48.680 girl sounds like this thigh is? 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:55.120 But what there was an episode Oh yes with the fighting. 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:59.400 Yes there was another fighting and the girls. Yeah, she 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:02.439 had her wired shut. And also like beef was the 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:05.360 episode right before the season right before this, Yes, and 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:08.360 in beef cockfighting, Like there's cock fighting. So it's like 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:11.240 there are people trying to like make money off of fights, 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:13.120 and I feel like s V was like, let's just 1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:17.680 throw kids in the ring, which is I've up, I do. 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:19.960 Like a boxing mac share in there, but I'm really 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:21.320 not into violence. 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.040 Yeah, so twenty eleven. 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:28.559 This this also so the episode came out in twenty 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:31.439 eleven as well, So this could be you know, something 1:32:31.439 --> 1:32:34.439 that Neil Bear caught while reading the paper. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.000 But Naperville a suburb of Chicago. 1:32:37.120 --> 1:32:39.920 It is a bunch of boys aged eleven to thirteen, 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:43.080 and they were meeting in the school locker room and 1:32:43.120 --> 1:32:45.320 it was voluntary, but a fight club. 1:32:45.439 --> 1:32:47.519 It's not like they were like forcing kids to do it. 1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:51.600 One of the students videotaping of course, of course, and 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:54.439 the rule was no face hitting, and they had code words. 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:57.800 So I'm like, these boys are doing a pretty responsible 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:59.080 fight club if you ask me. 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.840 Yeah, no face hitting, yeah, because then there's no The 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:04.960 boys were disciplined in the school and then. 1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:06.440 That was it. Yeah. 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:09.720 And again, we can't really know that any of these 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:12.040 were inspired, like the show is inspired by any of these, 1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:15.400 But I just looked at some fight clubs from before 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:18.519 twenty eleven. So March twenty six, two thousand and six, 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:22.320 during a lunch break, in Junction City, organ teens were 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:25.519 pummeling each other for sport while their friends cheered them on, 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:28.800 and of course videotaped it. And everyone keeps blaming Fight Club. 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:32.600 But again, I just don't know. I think it's like 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:34.679 a Marilyn Manson video game thing, or maybe they wouldn't 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:37.040 have thought about it. But this is also the movie 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:39.160 six years after the movie came out. But I guess 1:33:39.200 --> 1:33:41.000 that's the popularity of the DVD of it all. 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:41.559 I don't know. 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:43.960 This is a very loose one. I would say this 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:46.519 is yeah, yes, it's closer to our loose episode. A 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:49.519 loose episode, okay. So then there's a New York Post 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:52.960 article okay, twenty ten. 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:55.559 Also, if any of you got the New York Post 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:57.599 communist mom Donnie Cover, you. 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:00.360 Could ship it to me. I want it. Oh, I 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:02.519 want to frame it. Okay. 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:06.200 So this is in Queen's elementary school. A dad hurt. 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:08.719 I mean, this could be the Cloe. This could actually 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:12.320 be it because of the New York connection. Maybe a dad. 1:34:12.200 --> 1:34:14.920 Hurt his kid complaining he didn't get enough applause during 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:15.559 his fight. 1:34:16.800 --> 1:34:18.559 So the dad's like, what fight, what the fuck are 1:34:18.600 --> 1:34:21.200 you talking about? Grilled him, found out his fourth grade 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:24.280 teacher set up the fight. So the fourth grade teacher's 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:27.720 name is Joseph Galata, and he and so basically this 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:29.920 kid was supposed to fight another kid that he was 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:31.960 mad at. But the teacher goes, no, I like that kid, 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:34.519 fight this kid instead. I don't like him as much, 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:37.519 And so he kind of like encouraged him to fight 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:40.559 this other kid. He closed the classroom door and got 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:44.000 the classmates to cheer around them. The teacher used the 1:34:44.040 --> 1:34:46.040 quote from the movie to shut them up, like, don't 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:49.160 talk about fight club, and he instructed the kids to 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:51.120 lie to the nurse about their injuries. 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:53.040 Now the cops recalled. 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:56.639 The teacher was arrested along with his para professional, Abraham Fox, 1:34:57.120 --> 1:35:00.360 and they were charged with acting in a manner injurious 1:35:02.000 --> 1:35:05.160 I'm gonna name my dog in Jurius to a child 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:09.240 under seventeen. There was also complaints that he was showing 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:12.200 students inappropriate sexual photos of girls and women in bathing 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:15.320 suits and sometimes would place hands on butts. 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:19.439 So not great. The men, though, were both acquitted of 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:20.040 the charges. 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:24.400 They were acquitted and then the parents sued Galata, and 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:27.439 then Galatta asked the school for a lawyer because of 1:35:27.479 --> 1:35:31.480 an education law section three zero two eight and municipal 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:36.360 law section fifty dash K. But those requests were denied 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:38.679 and so he ended up suing the school board because 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:41.360 they wouldn't pay for his lawyer. And it was granted 1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:43.360 and the board had to pay for all his attorney's 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:44.440 fees and expenses. 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:47.000 What that's crazy. 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:49.840 Yeah, And then May fifth, twenty thirteen, the school board 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:52.600 Disciplinary Hearing issued a decision that the teacher did not 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:56.679 encourage or direct the fighting, but find him twenty grand 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:58.519 for at least not being on top of it or 1:35:58.640 --> 1:35:59.839 ending the fight sooner. 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:07.840 Like the Marshawn Lynch character in Bottoms, When is his 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:08.679 next vehicle? 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:09.160 I need? 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:14.720 But in two thousand and eight, there's a Boulder, Colorado 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.880 fight club fifteen to twenty students reported by the Denver 1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:19.360 Post videotaped. 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:21.160 I guess that's against the number one rule of the 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:22.679 fight clubs. But like they are all. 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:25.160 Videotaping, stop videotaping it. 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:29.400 But they were like they didn't they couldn't figure out 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:31.600 this was a one time deal or they were constantly 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:34.280 doing it. Like why an article like no one gives 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:40.200 it likes? And but the month prior another like another 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:43.280 high school in the district, were cited for public brawling. 1:36:43.400 --> 1:36:48.719 But I think that's just what people do. It's upsetting, honestly. 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:51.000 I don't like violence. But like unless the kid dies, 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:53.599 who care? Or permanent damage? Who cares? 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:54.080 I don't know. 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:57.960 Yeah, a Deluthe paper said they brought up a great point. 1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:01.600 There was a they said, if tans are willingly engaging 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:05.599 in fistfights and taping them willingly, what's the crime. Yeah, 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:09.120 But in Monticello, Minnesota, sixteen year old boy was treated 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:12.000 for facial injuries after fighting in a gravel pit behind 1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:12.600 a Walmart. 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.400 I don't know. Oh well, I mean, like, I don't know. 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:17.840 I guess it's better than beating kids up that don't 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:19.640 want to be beat up. Is like doing it with 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:24.040 a consent, a consenting other kid. I mean, I feel like, 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:27.040 what do you feel? Yeah, I don't know. I don't 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:28.920 think this was I don't think that anything like the 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:31.680 actual episode was happening at least in the United States 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:35.000 at all. Or it's underground. It's like an Epstein thing. 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:40.000 Oh yeah, oh that's yeah. Like in Thailand, I think 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:43.280 they have like young kids Domi Thai and stuff to like, 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:47.920 but that's training, and it's a trained Yeah, I don't know, 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:50.360 it's not it's not. I don't think there's anything quite 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:53.439 like this. This is so diabolical and crazy, and like 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:56.640 I just wonder what the uncle Joe thought he was 1:37:56.680 --> 1:37:58.920 getting out of it. Did he think that he was 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:01.799 really teaching his kids to defend it, like his nephew 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:04.600 to defend his bully, or was he like, do you 1:38:04.640 --> 1:38:06.640 really think that little kid Ethan was good? Like the 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:08.720 nine year old was gonna make him some money in 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:09.120 the ring. 1:38:09.400 --> 1:38:14.160 I don't know, I guess now just thinking this isn't children, 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:17.120 But I think of the movie Django Unchained, and I 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:21.840 wonder if like this could have been something with enslaved 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:26.639 populations or groups that are dehumanized within and. 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:29.519 Going all the way back to the ancient Romans, like 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:31.439 what happened in the Colisseum. You know. 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:36.439 Yeah, but okay, so you know, outside of the fight 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:40.479 Club's you know, the big thing now with in Cell 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:43.000 red Pill cultural of that is like people didn't realize 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:45.360 that fight Club was satire, which we talked about, and 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:48.360 it was supposed to be a warning and it all 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:50.080 did come true, but it was a warning. 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:53.160 But men look up to this movie. 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:55.519 The New Yorker wrote, the movie has become part of 1:38:55.560 --> 1:38:59.600 the contemporary mass cultural canon through which large numbers of 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:02.160 men tried to think through masculinity. 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:03.600 Peter C. 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:06.320 Baker, who wrote this New Yorker piece, he said that 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:08.080 like he went to all the message boards and alt 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:11.120 right in cell groups, and they love Tyler Durdan. They 1:39:11.120 --> 1:39:13.200 see him as an alpha male who does what he 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:16.120 wants and doesn't let anyone stand in his way. And 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.639 it's like, okay, but he was like in a dirty 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:21.400 tub in a warehouse, Like I don't it's not like 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:26.120 it was a great life, but like, no one's standing 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:28.439 in your way to go be in a dirty tub. 1:39:29.120 --> 1:39:30.800 But he's not real, and he is a figment of 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:31.800 a man's imagination. 1:39:32.080 --> 1:39:33.040 Yeah, that's the thing. 1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:35.920 But their whole thing is like stop being a beta 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:39.680 white caller Ed Norton, Like Ed is miserable, like you 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:40.759 gotta be Tyler. 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.800 But Norton kills Tyler in the end. 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.720 So it's a critique of Tyler Jrton in his way 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:48.040 of like if you know what I mean, he. 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:49.400 Like fucking shoots himself. 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:54.520 And it's also like about waking up and being empowered 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:59.120 and authentic. But Tyler then demands subservience from these men 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:02.120 he claims to be. So that's another thing, and I 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:03.680 see that all the time with the men in the 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.160 podcast the Rogue at all of that, Like a lot 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:11.400 of these alpha male want wanna beers or like cooks 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:14.280 to the podcasts and like the tapes that they listen to. 1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:19.080 So it's like Tyler Dirton is like, be yourself, be authentic, 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:20.200 like live freedom. 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:21.080 And then like none of. 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:23.000 These boys are marching, you know what I mean, Like 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:24.639 they have no freedom. 1:40:24.640 --> 1:40:27.360 They're doing whatever this man says. So that doesn't make 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:28.200 sense to me either. 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:33.680 But then this journalist met with fight club heads and 1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:36.759 they all relate to feeling aimless, no passion, just working 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:40.639 to have things. But then it's like, okay, and this 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:42.599 is what I like, This is like the most important 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:45.800 I think. Why do these stories of men finding joy 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:49.800 have to inflict pain on others? Is there not a 1:40:49.880 --> 1:40:52.720 journey for men that isn't violence and being awful to 1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:57.479 other people? And that is something I'm like really thinking 1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:00.160 about where it's like so much of masculinity is the 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:03.599 subjugation of women, and it's like can you not find freedom? 1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:07.479 Enjoy without like making other people's lives awful. 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:11.599 You can, that's the easy way. That's the easier way. 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:14.400 To just find who you think is weaker and subjugate 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:18.800 them is the is the easier sort of uh people 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:21.479 are way of doing it. There's plenty of men that 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:24.080 are happy in the world, feel happy and liberated and 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:28.040 are in good relationships and not hurting people. But these 1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:30.479 guys are like, I know a great way to get 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:34.639 to it. Like Hank in this episode. That's a fucking 1:41:34.640 --> 1:41:37.519 guy who thinks he's like the top dog guy and 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:39.680 no one's gonna take what's mine and I'll show you 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:42.800 what I'll show you what I got, you know, like yeah, 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:45.960 fucking fight clubbing little kids, fifth graders. 1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:46.880 And that's another thing. 1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:49.439 This journalist is like this or maybe this movie only 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:52.360 has one female character and she's treated like shit, and 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:54.840 all these dudes are like, Tyler is the way to 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:57.920 live and they're like, yeah, he's truly like using her 1:41:58.080 --> 1:42:02.200 for sex then emotionally like being negligent in the day, 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:06.240 treating her awful, and guys are like, we love this, Yeah, 1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:08.519 we love this movie. It's like one girl they were 1:42:08.640 --> 1:42:11.400 gonna Courtney Love was dating at Norton at the time, 1:42:12.200 --> 1:42:15.120 and she was supposed to do this, and Fincher went, no, 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:20.040 I want against type, and he fought to have Helena. 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.840 I love Helena Bottom Carter, me too. She seems fun 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:25.040 as fuck. Yeah, I've always loved her. 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:28.000 But then David Fincher is quoted in the Huffington Post 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:31.880 and it says he's fun. It's impossible for me to 1:42:32.000 --> 1:42:35.160 imagine that people don't understand that Tyler Dirdan is a 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:36.200 negative influence. 1:42:37.240 --> 1:42:38.160 I think it's funny. 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:41.920 And then Fincher to The New York Times said women 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:45.680 maybe get the humor faster. Young female audiences seem to 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:50.800 appreciate the film's satirical spin on macho posturing. And I 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:54.479 felt pretty good about myself when I read that. But yeah, 1:42:54.600 --> 1:42:56.960 I also just thought they were hot, like I was young, 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:57.360 you know. 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.120 No, it was, and it was. It was a cool movie. 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:03.960 But hopefully nobody's really doing fight clubs. I mean, there's 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:05.679 another episode that we're going to do in the future. 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:08.160 I'm sure that I just caught, like in a hotel recently, 1:43:08.560 --> 1:43:10.680 of the woman that comes home from like being in 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:13.120 the military and she's like in a fight club that 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:15.479 she goes to to like but she just goes to 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:18.120 like win, but like fights and she fights other people 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:21.639 and like she's super strong, and then she gets attacked 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:24.240 leaving one of the meetings at night. But I think, like, 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:26.679 because she's from the she has like trauma from the military, 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:29.120 and I think just fighting makes her feel alive or something. 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:31.439 I don't know, I forgot the actual it's a more 1:43:31.520 --> 1:43:34.800 it's a teen season like skydiving. I guess fighting is. 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:37.840 Maybe this is all about class consciousness. Yeah, at the 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:43.280 end of the day, fight club is probably cheaper. But yeah, 1:43:43.360 --> 1:43:47.120 so I'm sorry this wasn't hardcore true crime, and I 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:50.800 think it's close, but it's close interesting enough. 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:53.200 Influence what influences the culture. 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:56.360 And I guess Finscher said to brad Pitt because because 1:43:56.560 --> 1:43:58.880 it got panned and like, you know, know it didn't do 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:03.960 good number why or whatever. And brad Pitt went to 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:05.960 Fincher was like, this is the best thing I've ever made. 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:08.040 I don't give a fuck how it does. But then 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:10.040 Fincher goes, I'm here to make movies that are gonna 1:44:10.080 --> 1:44:12.360 last for twenty years. I don't care what happens now. 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:14.720 And he's really been able to do that a lot. 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.439 I think if you watch Fight Club, it's like, fuck, 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:20.800 like he was right about Ever, it's worse than Ever, 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:26.080 like yeah, yeah, but his movies do last. Yeah, And 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:29.320 if that's his goal, he's done it. I don't know 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:31.280 whose goal is. I want to one and done, but 1:44:31.439 --> 1:44:35.120 like my goal is to make a movie that pops 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:38.240 with an audience now and then has forgotten forever and 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:37.360 no one. 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:41.680 I also understand like attaching yourself for being interested in 1:44:41.720 --> 1:44:45.040 the anti capitalists, like anti buying stuff, anti doing things 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:48.200 you don't love. But again, I don't know if being 1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:50.040 violent in the basement. 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:53.599 Of a of a liquor store or something is yeah, 1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:54.400 yeah to. 1:44:54.360 --> 1:44:58.720 Do, Like I guess what I feel sad for not 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.599 to like be sad for a but it's like they 1:45:01.640 --> 1:45:04.680 can't because of their lack of wanting to appreciate or 1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:07.160 like be in touch with femininity or women, Like they're 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:10.240 missing out on like a really joyous, great life, Like 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:12.920 they can do better than fighting each other and being 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:17.120 angry and like doing what you know, all this fucked 1:45:17.240 --> 1:45:19.960 Like they have the world, like the world is here. 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:20.559 To bring you joy. 1:45:20.920 --> 1:45:25.840 Yeah, And it's sad when you think your only option 1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:30.160 is like to be a fighting cook for people that 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:31.160 don't even think about you. 1:45:31.160 --> 1:45:34.559 The male loneliness epidemic persists. I don't know how we're 1:45:34.600 --> 1:45:35.280 going to stop it. 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:38.200 But yeah, so if I cold was So that's the question, 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:40.479 like did it predict it or did it help cause it? 1:45:40.600 --> 1:45:40.840 You know? 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:43.040 But I think it was like he probably saw this 1:45:43.400 --> 1:45:47.080 predictive because Chuck is like a gay dude. 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:50.680 I mean that wrote the book. So I feel like 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:52.559 he was making a comment. 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:56.360 All right, well, we have a great interview coming. Trying 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:57.639 to think what the other books are called. 1:45:57.640 --> 1:46:00.880 It was like Invisible Monsters was one that one I'm 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:02.840 gonna I mean, I think Jared's read a bunch of 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:03.960 his stuff and said it's great too. 1:46:04.080 --> 1:46:06.439 Yeah, I mean it's it's like the R. L. Stein 1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:10.000 if you're a little older, like he's bumped for a 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:10.599 little older. 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:13.920 Yeah, like that's how I felt. I felt really cool. 1:46:14.080 --> 1:46:17.960 Oh yeah, Invisible Monsters Haunted. I read Survivor, I read Snuff, 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:21.720 I read Lallah Bye, I read multiple times. I have 1:46:22.000 --> 1:46:24.680 rant I don't think I read it though in a book. 1:46:24.439 --> 1:46:26.800 I read a loud fight Club. Yeah, I think I 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:27.960 read all of his books. 1:46:28.080 --> 1:46:32.120 This is crazy, damn Is he still alive. Yeah, he's alive. 1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:32.880 He's alive. 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:35.280 Annoyed, well, he because he had a day job when 1:46:35.320 --> 1:46:40.080 he even wrote Fight Club, like he didn't. Yeah, I 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:43.320 think for his book was seven thousand dollars. 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:50.200 Whoa, Yeah, that's like crazy, that's nothing. The numbers aren't 1:46:50.200 --> 1:46:51.160 even that different today. 1:46:51.240 --> 1:46:56.320 Like I know, all right, let's get going to our 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:58.320 guests because we've got a good guest for you today. 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:10.759 Hold on to your butts. Okay, this guest what Aget. 1:47:10.840 --> 1:47:14.240 We've been wanting to get her since the beginning. She 1:47:14.520 --> 1:47:17.280 is an actress, a legend who has been in movies 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:19.880 like Sudden Impact and Doubt. She has worked with some 1:47:19.920 --> 1:47:23.000 of the greatest greats in the business. She was featured 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:25.400 in the show, not necessarily the news, but you know 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:30.960 her best as Judge Louise Lewis Lewis Lois Preston. Please 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:34.200 enjoy our chat with the iconic Audrey Ninan. 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:35.120 Hi. 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:37.360 We're so thrilled. We're thrilled. 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:41.160 Hill, I'm so happy. Thank you for asking. This is 1:47:41.280 --> 1:47:45.479 huge for us. Listen, first thing we have to tell 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:46.880 you is I'm Kara. 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:48.200 This is Lisa. 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:52.360 Lisa sometimes has a little bit of mispronunciation, of things 1:47:52.360 --> 1:47:54.880 once in a while on the podcast, and whenever your 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.360 character comes on, I have a lot of struggle with 1:47:57.400 --> 1:47:59.880 your name, a lot of struggles. She'll call your character 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:05.160 Louise Lewis all these different things, and it's become this 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:08.880 running joke on the podcast. And so we did recently 1:48:09.080 --> 1:48:14.320 order merch that it says Louise Lewis Lewis. 1:48:14.640 --> 1:48:17.439 Oh my god, I love that, Oh my god. 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:20.519 And it's all based on your character. Yeah, so we 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:23.320 needed you. So no, we're wearing them right now. 1:48:24.240 --> 1:48:26.200 Oh I wish I could sign it for you. 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:32.360 Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Collectors. So we are. 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:36.240 Yeah, you are the honorable Judge Lois Preston. This is amazing. 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:40.040 You're the first recording judge we've talked to because we 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:42.200 did teach We did talk to Tom Scarett, who was 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:44.600 an evil judge, and you were in that episode. 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.440 You were in the Tom Scared episode. 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:49.439 Yeah, where he was the corrupt judge. 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:49.920 Yeah. 1:48:50.040 --> 1:48:53.760 Yes, there were some very you know, come and go 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:56.280 and in fact, in the episode that you're talking about 1:48:56.320 --> 1:49:01.760 pop there was Olympiad caucus. Yes, well I was not 1:49:01.920 --> 1:49:05.600 the judge when she was in the courtroom, but she 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:07.280 was there on the set, and I was just like, 1:49:08.320 --> 1:49:10.559 you know, I got for clumped. 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:13.679 I cried, I couldn't say anything. 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:17.000 And I finally it was like dinner time or something, 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:19.880 and I sat down with her at a table and 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:21.840 I just went, hello, how do you do? 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:25.200 I'm the judge in another section of this How do 1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:27.639 you do? She said? She finished her meal and she left. 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:28.439 She was working. 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:32.000 Yeah, you know what I mean, she was already, she 1:49:32.200 --> 1:49:33.559 was in, she was working. 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:35.760 I could tell she was, so I didn't bother her 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:36.439 the whole meal. 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:40.479 I just kind of, yeah, Olympia du Caucus seemed like 1:49:40.520 --> 1:49:42.600 she didn't take any nonsense from anybody. 1:49:43.200 --> 1:49:45.320 No, you know, I know, well, and it wasn't. She 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:47.960 wasn't being rude, and no, yeah, she's working, you know 1:49:48.000 --> 1:49:48.400 what I mean. 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:50.240 And I sat down and then I just kind of 1:49:50.280 --> 1:49:53.360 gazed at her working. Why she ate, which was the 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:57.160 mustard made her feel very uncomfortable. I look back at 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:59.960 the people I've worked with, and you know, people say, 1:50:00.280 --> 1:50:03.400 what Clint East would really like, you know, and I go, 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:07.920 he's exactly who you think he is. He is exactly 1:50:07.960 --> 1:50:10.479 what except for the you know, the clown shoes and 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:13.240 the big red nose that he wears to the set. 1:50:13.680 --> 1:50:17.240 You know, that's that's nothing. You know, No, he doesn't. 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:21.080 He's exactly who you think he is, you know, but 1:50:21.439 --> 1:50:25.839 famous people. Robin Williams did one of the shows, yeah, 1:50:25.880 --> 1:50:27.760 you know, and I was the judge on that one. 1:50:27.840 --> 1:50:30.240 Yeah, and we go way back. 1:50:30.560 --> 1:50:33.160 I worked with Robin and the Comedy Store Players out 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:40.439 in la in nineteen eighty, nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty. Yeah, 1:50:40.439 --> 1:50:44.680 he was doing morecan mindy and or he had just 1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:47.799 gotten it, But anyway, he would been with the Comedy 1:50:47.840 --> 1:50:49.960 Store Players and a couple of us from Chicago. 1:50:50.360 --> 1:50:52.280 You came from Chicago too, didn't you. 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:52.800 Yeah? 1:50:52.800 --> 1:50:55.479 I grew up He's Inkchi and then I started comedy 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:56.439 everything in Chicago. 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.800 Did you ever do Second City? Did you ever go there? 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:04.200 I take any classes, but then once I found stand up, 1:51:04.320 --> 1:51:07.960 I stopped going to class. I really enjoyed my my 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:11.120 nighttime gremlin lifestyle, so I stopped. 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:15.000 Well, it's also a real choice, isn't a stand up 1:51:15.200 --> 1:51:19.240 or Second City? Because I mean second city you're working 1:51:19.280 --> 1:51:22.200 with a lot of other people and you're dependent on 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:25.040 them for the yes, and you know what I mean, 1:51:25.080 --> 1:51:26.800 if you're up there on your own you got to 1:51:26.840 --> 1:51:29.800 do that, yes, and yourself you got to keep that 1:51:29.880 --> 1:51:31.440 ball absolutely. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:36.280 Yeah, and you two. That's so different, isn't it? 1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:37.760 It is it is. 1:51:37.920 --> 1:51:40.519 I felt like improv was positive. It was like we 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:42.639 got you, I got your back, We're here. 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:45.680 And then stand ups were a little more darker, and 1:51:45.720 --> 1:51:48.439 I kind of gravit stated towards that under. 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:50.600 Yeah, how long were you in Chicago? 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:51.360 Oh? 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:52.639 For years and years. 1:51:53.640 --> 1:51:59.040 I graduated from Barrack College up in Lake Forest, Illinois 1:51:59.680 --> 1:52:02.559 at north to Chicago, and we had been to Second City, 1:52:03.560 --> 1:52:05.679 but you know, during college years. 1:52:06.080 --> 1:52:08.280 So I said, yeah, that's where I'm going. I want 1:52:08.320 --> 1:52:10.040 to go there, And. 1:52:12.040 --> 1:52:16.240 Yeah, I was there for only really for like seven 1:52:16.320 --> 1:52:20.919 years before I moved to LA for like a decade 1:52:21.280 --> 1:52:23.439 and then came back to New York because a girl 1:52:23.439 --> 1:52:26.040 broker leg and I had to open on Broadway, you 1:52:26.080 --> 1:52:28.880 know what I mean. And it was I really I've 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:32.320 had one of those type of experiences. And no, I 1:52:32.320 --> 1:52:36.360 didn't do LA until after I did Broadway. And then 1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:40.040 then I got noticed by somebody there when I did 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:42.920 Broadway and they said, come to LA and do not 1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:46.760 necessarily the news and that was another comedy show. 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:47.000 Wow. 1:52:47.120 --> 1:52:50.679 Yeah, And we did the Comedy Zone up in Canada 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:54.280 and that and no, no, we did the Comedy Zone 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:56.760 in New York. That was with New York Playwrights and 1:52:56.840 --> 1:53:01.040 Jerry Gutierres was the New York direct and we did 1:53:01.760 --> 1:53:05.920 scenes and that was a CBS series. But it only 1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:11.240 lasted like six months. You know, So comedy doesn't last, right. 1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:15.120 It's always a hustle, that's for sure. 1:53:15.640 --> 1:53:18.080 Do you have any other like any other people where 1:53:18.120 --> 1:53:20.720 you got to set at SVU and you were like, 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:23.120 oh my gosh, I can't believe they're going to be 1:53:23.160 --> 1:53:24.240 in my courtroom today. 1:53:25.040 --> 1:53:28.599 Because what's cool about being the judge is you get 1:53:28.600 --> 1:53:33.320 to see the guest stars, the victims, the villains, all 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:37.480 the different ways, all the detectives, all the back everybody. 1:53:37.880 --> 1:53:42.840 I get everybody, and at the gang from SVU was 1:53:42.880 --> 1:53:44.800 always very cool with me. 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:46.360 They would come up. Well. 1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:48.400 I had a thing also to get people to come 1:53:48.479 --> 1:53:51.200 up to the desk. Came up, come up to the bench. 1:53:51.600 --> 1:53:54.439 But I would take in chocolate covered espresso beans. 1:53:54.520 --> 1:53:56.120 Oh my god, cute. 1:53:56.400 --> 1:53:58.560 Yeah, the worst, like a charm. 1:54:00.600 --> 1:54:04.040 Because everything is going on around you as the judge, 1:54:04.080 --> 1:54:07.479 everything is going on out there, okay, and you're just 1:54:07.520 --> 1:54:11.280 sitting here. The cameras are all facing everybody else. They're 1:54:11.280 --> 1:54:17.000 facing you know, Mariska and and you know, everybody in 1:54:17.040 --> 1:54:22.200 the stands, and they're facing the lawyers and everybody. Everybody 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:25.960 is from here or the person who is testifying, and 1:54:26.720 --> 1:54:29.400 you know, so that's sometimes you'll get an over the shot, 1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:32.480 but most of the time you're completely off camera. I 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:36.920 always had the the Martini shot, you know, the last 1:54:36.920 --> 1:54:39.640 shot of the night. Well, that's it's it's a wrap, 1:54:39.680 --> 1:54:45.360 it's Martini time. So because I would sit there all 1:54:45.480 --> 1:54:47.920 day and if I didn't have my lines by the 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:50.080 end of the day, because I had to keep saying 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:53.960 the lines during the scenes, you know, objection overruled or whatever. 1:54:54.080 --> 1:54:56.640 You know, you can't stop having babies and killing them. 1:54:57.120 --> 1:55:03.720 Million dollars bail, oh my god, yes, boo, oh my god, 1:55:03.880 --> 1:55:04.320 you know. 1:55:04.280 --> 1:55:08.120 Them all of course. That's a classic. And yeah, where 1:55:08.160 --> 1:55:10.600 you're like, do you think you could maybe not get 1:55:10.600 --> 1:55:13.120 pregnant in the nest? And she's like, I really can't 1:55:13.120 --> 1:55:14.040 promise that. 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:18.160 Oh yeah, okay, million dollars. 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:26.200 Did you always agree with Judge Preston's rulings. 1:55:25.280 --> 1:55:28.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was there's just nothing, you know, 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:33.040 they wrote for her, it was called the toughest judge 1:55:33.040 --> 1:55:36.360 in New York. That's that was my rep there at 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:39.000 the at the thing. I haven't done one in years. 1:55:39.080 --> 1:55:41.120 I'd love to do another one, but. 1:55:41.600 --> 1:55:45.520 They yeah, Top was your last one, and I think 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:49.360 we was it, Yeah, Crimean chronologically it was the last 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:50.080 one that you did. 1:55:50.240 --> 1:55:55.760 Yeah. But I get recognized most often for sudden impact 1:55:56.680 --> 1:56:01.000 and the judge of course, because as for you, because 1:56:01.080 --> 1:56:03.960 we're in people's homes, we're in your bedroom, we're in 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:07.040 your living room, we're in your kitchen, and with the 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:13.840 most awful story, we're just almost the shuddering I mean 1:56:15.880 --> 1:56:20.600 in the violence happens off camera. That's you know, what's 1:56:21.080 --> 1:56:24.640 very noir about the whole thing is that you you 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:30.120 don't often see the beatings the child. You know, you 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:33.120 know the one I don't remember. 1:56:32.840 --> 1:56:33.360 The name of it. 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:38.120 It's the one John Larrakatt, which I admire him so much. 1:56:38.160 --> 1:56:39.120 We had a great time. 1:56:39.280 --> 1:56:41.520 But you know, the episode you're talking about with John 1:56:41.600 --> 1:56:45.320 larra Catt is actually called Anchor, and that's from season eleven, 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:50.920 and it's all about like people being immigration and people 1:56:50.960 --> 1:56:52.840 being racist against immigrants. 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:54.920 And it's like we watch these episodes all the time. 1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:59.320 We can't believe how SVU, like so little has changed 1:56:59.640 --> 1:57:01.280 in a lot of the things that they talk about. 1:57:01.560 --> 1:57:03.600 You know, I have to tell you, I was sitting 1:57:03.600 --> 1:57:08.959 in the makeup chair for that episode and was already 1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:13.360 just like horrified at the episode, you know, And this 1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:17.200 little kid comes in, and one of the little kids 1:57:17.200 --> 1:57:20.920 who was killed. I guess, yeah, And she said to 1:57:21.080 --> 1:57:27.080 the makeup woman, she said, can you the director wants 1:57:27.280 --> 1:57:28.160 me to have. 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:32.840 Some more blood around my neck around the chain or 1:57:32.880 --> 1:57:35.400 the chain. No, it needs some more blood. 1:57:35.960 --> 1:57:38.520 And I'm looking at this thing, no bigger than a 1:57:38.600 --> 1:57:44.080 minute and beautiful and with this mark surround her neck. 1:57:44.120 --> 1:57:45.920 And the makeup girl says sure. 1:57:46.280 --> 1:57:49.160 I mean they have they have to have iron you know, 1:57:49.320 --> 1:57:51.120 constitutions there at that show. 1:57:51.680 --> 1:57:52.640 So she says sure. 1:57:53.760 --> 1:58:00.000 And I had just gotten a racist thing from somebody, 1:58:00.480 --> 1:58:03.800 an old friend who's no longer a friend. And it 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:07.080 was over this text that she sent me right at 1:58:07.080 --> 1:58:09.880 that moment when I was seeing this child. She sent 1:58:09.920 --> 1:58:13.560 me some something about Mexicans something. 1:58:13.520 --> 1:58:15.760 And I just lost it. 1:58:16.040 --> 1:58:18.600 And I told her she better confessed to her pretty 1:58:18.640 --> 1:58:24.440 stently better. I lost lost the friendship. It's over because 1:58:24.480 --> 1:58:24.680 of that. 1:58:24.800 --> 1:58:27.200 We're on that set. That's so wild. 1:58:27.400 --> 1:58:30.280 While I was on this set, because how much can 1:58:30.320 --> 1:58:35.040 you take seeing a baby child with chain around its neck? 1:58:35.360 --> 1:58:38.640 And then complete the episode where you know, the guy 1:58:38.680 --> 1:58:41.840 says I'm free to do more, right? 1:58:42.880 --> 1:58:43.120 You know? 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:44.800 Then he got elected president. 1:58:45.040 --> 1:58:45.240 You know. 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:50.720 Well, I wanted to mention, speaking of hair and makeup, 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:55.320 I watched all of your your moments yesterday, a different 1:58:55.320 --> 1:58:57.960 hairstyle every episode, right right. 1:58:58.000 --> 1:59:01.000 Always take a fun new haird no wonder. 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:03.400 You're always There were some barrels, there. 1:59:03.360 --> 1:59:07.360 Were some curls, some little bobs half up, half down. 1:59:08.640 --> 1:59:13.120 This these these episodes that I did were like twenty 1:59:13.160 --> 1:59:13.880 five years ago. 1:59:14.200 --> 1:59:16.960 Yeah, the show has been on, it's in season twenty 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:17.720 seven right now. 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:18.480 It's crazy. 1:59:19.360 --> 1:59:22.480 Yeah, you're right, you've been in our lives. 1:59:23.240 --> 1:59:27.120 I have been grateful for every minute. I mean, well, 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:29.640 of course, not to mention the residuals. 1:59:30.120 --> 1:59:32.720 That was actually one of my questions. I want to Yeah, 1:59:32.880 --> 1:59:34.280 what's how's that working? 1:59:34.400 --> 1:59:35.000 Okay? Great? 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:39.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean they I don't know what the 1:59:39.960 --> 1:59:42.680 base pay is anymore, and I don't know what it 1:59:42.720 --> 1:59:44.000 was ago. 1:59:44.680 --> 1:59:48.360 Yeah, yeah, I know it's television. It's funny. 1:59:48.400 --> 1:59:52.080 Television and theater don't really pay but the residuals are 1:59:52.120 --> 1:59:54.480 like a fine wine that just keeps. 1:59:54.240 --> 1:59:55.840 Getting better and better, you know. 1:59:56.560 --> 2:00:01.200 And I mean I made sudden impact in eighty three 2:00:01.400 --> 2:00:03.360 eighty four, and that's the thing. 2:00:03.520 --> 2:00:05.520 It just delivers like weekly. 2:00:05.760 --> 2:00:10.880 Wow, so oh please, this Beau and the SBU and 2:00:11.640 --> 2:00:14.080 all of the law and Orders get shown all over 2:00:14.120 --> 2:00:14.920 the world. 2:00:15.120 --> 2:00:18.440 We get we get residuals from Spain. 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:23.040 And Portugal and Germany and Sweden. We're big in Sweden 2:00:23.200 --> 2:00:27.720 and the Netherlands. I mean, it's just the residuals are 2:00:27.760 --> 2:00:28.920 like manna from heaven. 2:00:29.240 --> 2:00:31.160 You know, you can't count on it. 2:00:31.600 --> 2:00:36.400 You know, it just drops and you know it's either 2:00:36.440 --> 2:00:41.760 wine money or rent money, you know, and if you 2:00:42.520 --> 2:00:47.640 if you're lucky enough, it's somewhere in between. And because 2:00:47.680 --> 2:00:51.120 you're sharing that space with a lot of New York actors. 2:00:51.920 --> 2:00:54.680 So a lot of New York actors have been paying 2:00:54.840 --> 2:01:01.080 the rent with these residuals all these years, Yeah, they 2:01:01.080 --> 2:01:05.040 have employed. It's not uncommon. It's it's in fact, it's 2:01:05.160 --> 2:01:10.400 quite common to see Law and Order in every playbill. 2:01:10.960 --> 2:01:13.320 Yeah, ye for it, I look for it. 2:01:13.840 --> 2:01:15.040 Oh yeah, I do too. 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:15.520 Or else. 2:01:15.640 --> 2:01:17.400 I saw someone on Death Becomes Her and I was 2:01:17.400 --> 2:01:18.640 like he was in an SVU for sure. 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:18.840 I know. 2:01:18.960 --> 2:01:23.680 Oh yeah, yeah, that guy I saw him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:01:23.720 --> 2:01:29.360 It's interesting to see what streaming will do to the 2:01:29.400 --> 2:01:33.360 future of that because the residuals just aren't the same 2:01:33.560 --> 2:01:36.360 and like, and there's not the same twenty two episodes, 2:01:36.680 --> 2:01:39.080 you know, yeah season. Like we talked to so many 2:01:39.160 --> 2:01:42.600 actors who are have such interesting careers and have been 2:01:42.600 --> 2:01:44.640 able to do all this these different things and have 2:01:44.720 --> 2:01:47.600 had highs and lows, and it just I don't know 2:01:47.720 --> 2:01:49.880 that people will hang on for as long if they 2:01:49.880 --> 2:01:52.360 don't have like, you know, residuals and stuff like that 2:01:52.360 --> 2:01:54.720 that kind of kept them going. You're not going to 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:58.640 see people that work for forty years or whatever, you know, 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:04.160 with out getting like regular work. You know. 2:02:05.240 --> 2:02:05.520 Yeah. 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:08.800 I have been lucky to make my living at this. 2:02:08.920 --> 2:02:13.160 I haven't been a waitress since nineteen. 2:02:14.560 --> 2:02:15.800 Seventy six. 2:02:16.520 --> 2:02:17.960 Were in New York. 2:02:18.000 --> 2:02:21.640 But when you were no, No, I was a waitress 2:02:21.640 --> 2:02:27.400 in Chicago, well Mark mel Mark on uh Eatery in 2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:28.600 Lincoln Park. 2:02:29.320 --> 2:02:31.560 I lived on the North Side. Where did you live 2:02:31.600 --> 2:02:31.880 in the. 2:02:32.800 --> 2:02:35.680 I lived in Bucktown and Roscoe Village. 2:02:37.040 --> 2:02:39.680 See these are neighborhoods. They came on after I left. 2:02:39.760 --> 2:02:41.720 You know what, I did want to ask you if 2:02:41.720 --> 2:02:44.360 you went to Old Town Alehouse, if that was a 2:02:44.400 --> 2:02:45.920 place across the street. 2:02:45.960 --> 2:02:46.480 Yeah, it was. 2:02:47.040 --> 2:02:49.080 It was across the street from Second City. 2:02:49.280 --> 2:02:50.240 You know, I love that bar. 2:02:50.440 --> 2:02:54.480 I was in Second City from like seventy. 2:02:55.560 --> 2:02:57.200 Three. Oh my god. 2:02:57.440 --> 2:03:00.520 And we didn't you didn't used to have to take classes. Well, 2:03:00.560 --> 2:03:03.680 there was a class. Joe Forresburg taught a class, and 2:03:03.760 --> 2:03:06.800 a bunch of us who. 2:03:05.920 --> 2:03:07.960 Came up in the same companies. 2:03:09.000 --> 2:03:12.600 Went to Joe Forresburgh's classes or Dell Close and Del 2:03:12.680 --> 2:03:14.920 Close would just grab you by the breast, you know, 2:03:15.120 --> 2:03:18.080 and say you've had a class. You know, Dell Close 2:03:18.320 --> 2:03:23.800 was a serious problem as well as a serious genius. 2:03:24.040 --> 2:03:24.240 Yeah. 2:03:24.280 --> 2:03:26.280 I was in New York, so I was operated to 2:03:26.360 --> 2:03:29.440 as this brigade for all my improv stuff. Oh my god, 2:03:29.800 --> 2:03:32.840 did the Dell Close marathon and we all prayed at 2:03:32.840 --> 2:03:36.400 the Church of del Clothes for a long time. Not me, 2:03:36.640 --> 2:03:38.520 but like you had to read the books for your 2:03:38.520 --> 2:03:39.520 classes and stuff. 2:03:40.440 --> 2:03:44.040 Oh yeah, well you know he was. 2:03:44.600 --> 2:03:47.200 You know, there's the story of him putting his arm 2:03:47.240 --> 2:03:48.600 off stage, you know that one. 2:03:48.720 --> 2:03:50.320 No, I don't know anything of this. 2:03:50.880 --> 2:03:54.960 Dell once took a hit some one of the other ones, 2:03:55.320 --> 2:03:58.880 one of his other compatriots backstage there say Kamara, Kamara 2:03:59.000 --> 2:04:01.360 got a hit for you that was, you know, some 2:04:01.480 --> 2:04:01.960 dope in the. 2:04:03.520 --> 2:04:07.120 So he he was on stage at the moment, so 2:04:07.240 --> 2:04:08.080 he just went off. 2:04:08.080 --> 2:04:09.720 And I don't know if you're familiar with the Second 2:04:09.720 --> 2:04:12.240 City stage, but you can just go off and you 2:04:12.280 --> 2:04:14.760 can still be on and put your arm off. And 2:04:14.840 --> 2:04:19.160 he so the story went, He put his arm off, 2:04:19.280 --> 2:04:21.800 the guy tied him off, shot him up, and he 2:04:22.080 --> 2:04:24.600 came back. But I wouldn't put it past him, and 2:04:24.600 --> 2:04:27.920 he was just that, he was, oh. 2:04:27.560 --> 2:04:30.520 Oh, oh, oh, no, no, thank you. 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:32.960 I have a thing. I have a theory. Time is 2:04:33.040 --> 2:04:33.520 on time. 2:04:34.120 --> 2:04:38.040 Well, my friend and dear little brother, like the late 2:04:38.120 --> 2:04:40.360 Jerry Gutierras, had asked me to do this play in 2:04:40.440 --> 2:04:44.080 Chicago and it was called Cursive an Aching Heart, and 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:47.520 it was the It was a follow up to Hogan's 2:04:47.520 --> 2:04:50.960 Goat that had been done with Faye done Away in 2:04:51.080 --> 2:04:54.080 New York, and Faye Dunaway made her Broadway debut. I 2:04:54.120 --> 2:04:59.480 believe in Hogan's Goat, so I said yes, I'll do it. 2:04:59.560 --> 2:05:01.320 And a year and a half later, when we were 2:05:01.320 --> 2:05:04.160 supposed to be doing it. Some film got destroyed and 2:05:04.240 --> 2:05:07.400 I had to go up for a reshoot at Mackinaw 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:11.440 Island for Somewhere in Time, where I played an actress 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:18.120 in the Traveling Acting Company with Seymour, Jane Seymour. When 2:05:18.120 --> 2:05:21.600 she went off and spoke to Christopher Reeve in the audience, 2:05:21.960 --> 2:05:24.240 I was on stage with her, and that film had 2:05:24.280 --> 2:05:27.600 been somehow altered or destroyed and we had to do 2:05:27.640 --> 2:05:30.360 a reshoot up and it got right in the middle 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:33.560 of when the play would be opening in Chicago. I said, 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:36.000 I can't, I got to do this. He brought in 2:05:36.080 --> 2:05:39.040 Mary Lou Risotto. She stayed in my apartment. I went 2:05:39.120 --> 2:05:42.800 up and did reshoots, came back. Mary Lou was done 2:05:42.880 --> 2:05:47.120 with the play and had gone home back to New York, 2:05:47.440 --> 2:05:52.120 and I moved to LA and came back to Chicago 2:05:52.200 --> 2:05:55.600 to do some plays and got the call. And I 2:05:55.680 --> 2:05:58.040 was in between Second City. I was going back in 2:05:58.080 --> 2:06:00.040 on Tin Types. I was performing in Tin Time. I 2:06:00.120 --> 2:06:02.440 said it was going back into the company in Second City, 2:06:02.760 --> 2:06:05.560 and I stopped at my house to change clothes. They 2:06:05.600 --> 2:06:10.920 were in between, and Uh, I got the call from 2:06:10.960 --> 2:06:13.840 Jerry Gouteris. Mary Louis Outo has broken her leg. We're 2:06:13.880 --> 2:06:16.920 opening on Broadway in ten days. Can you be here 2:06:16.960 --> 2:06:22.880 in New York tomorrow? And I said yes, I'll be there, 2:06:22.880 --> 2:06:24.400 and I didn't. 2:06:24.160 --> 2:06:24.800 Mention I was. 2:06:24.920 --> 2:06:27.280 I said yes, I'm out of ten types right now 2:06:27.680 --> 2:06:30.520 because I have a back injury. But he said can 2:06:30.520 --> 2:06:32.680 you roller skate? And I said I could be taught. 2:06:34.000 --> 2:06:36.920 So that's how Mary Lou had broken her leg. She 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:41.480 was roller skating. God yeah, and in a rehearsal hall 2:06:41.640 --> 2:06:43.920 and had broken her leg. So I had to come 2:06:43.960 --> 2:06:48.360 in and I had to meet Faye Dunaway and we 2:06:48.440 --> 2:06:51.240 did the whole thing and again, and I got the 2:06:51.520 --> 2:06:53.800 you know, of course they I got the part because 2:06:53.840 --> 2:06:55.160 what with else are they going to do? 2:06:55.320 --> 2:06:56.000 Was ten days? 2:06:56.200 --> 2:06:56.520 Right? 2:06:56.960 --> 2:07:00.920 I meet Fage on Away and they say, I came 2:07:01.000 --> 2:07:07.840 in from New Chicago overnight and I said, you know, oh, 2:07:07.880 --> 2:07:10.200 I dropped my bags. I came right from the airport. 2:07:10.960 --> 2:07:15.160 And they said, can you look at the script? And 2:07:15.840 --> 2:07:19.080 I said, oh, sure, went in the other room and 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:20.960 I looked at the script, which I was kind of 2:07:21.000 --> 2:07:24.160 familiar with anyway, and I came back in and I 2:07:24.240 --> 2:07:26.320 did this scene and they went, okay, could you leave 2:07:26.320 --> 2:07:28.880 the room for a second, And I went okay. And 2:07:28.920 --> 2:07:30.600 I went out of the room and they went, okay, 2:07:30.600 --> 2:07:32.120 come back, and you got it, okay. 2:07:33.520 --> 2:07:35.360 I guess they had to get a nod from her 2:07:35.480 --> 2:07:35.960 or something. 2:07:36.320 --> 2:07:38.760 Well, within like two days they had to ask me 2:07:38.800 --> 2:07:40.080 to stop handling her. 2:07:42.040 --> 2:07:42.840 What does that mean? 2:07:43.520 --> 2:07:45.200 Well, I was like grabbing onto her. 2:07:45.280 --> 2:07:47.720 We do this scene where we're like fourteen and sixteen 2:07:47.800 --> 2:07:49.920 years old, and we I must have been just like 2:07:50.080 --> 2:07:53.160 grabbing onto her. Well, anyway, I have to tell you 2:07:53.160 --> 2:07:58.680 this story about the lost prop about okay, so that 2:07:59.280 --> 2:08:02.400 we come out, we're fourteen years old. In the first 2:08:02.440 --> 2:08:05.440 scene we come out, I put on my roller skates. 2:08:05.480 --> 2:08:08.880 She's already in her roller skates and skating around the stage. 2:08:09.240 --> 2:08:11.440 And I come out and I say grand and Fran. 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:16.080 And as I'm putting on my skates, I say Lugs, 2:08:16.360 --> 2:08:18.800 And as her boyfriend who's to become her husband in 2:08:18.880 --> 2:08:22.400 the play, Lugs give me a letter for you. And 2:08:22.480 --> 2:08:26.640 the letter contains a ring that she wears for their 2:08:26.800 --> 2:08:32.640 entire life. And but now we're fourteen and the letter 2:08:32.720 --> 2:08:35.120 is in my sock. Only the letter is not in 2:08:35.200 --> 2:08:38.800 my sock this night. Now I have jammed this entire 2:08:38.880 --> 2:08:42.640 play into my head in ten days and William Alfred 2:08:42.720 --> 2:08:47.360 kept coming into rehearsals and even during previews with full 2:08:47.400 --> 2:08:50.000 pages for me. He'd give me this and he say, 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:52.280 can you put this in tonight? And it was you know, 2:08:52.360 --> 2:08:58.320 good Terarist said control but yes, okay, so okay. So 2:08:58.360 --> 2:09:01.480 there was there was the letter, and I knew where 2:09:01.520 --> 2:09:06.360 it was. It was downstairs in the dressing room. Well, 2:09:06.400 --> 2:09:11.360 as the skates were going on, I'm just like, I'm freaking. 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:12.840 Out because I know that letter is not there. 2:09:14.240 --> 2:09:17.840 And now she always says, and I say, fran Loves, 2:09:17.880 --> 2:09:18.760 give me a letter for you. 2:09:18.880 --> 2:09:20.960 She says, bring it here and let's read it. 2:09:21.160 --> 2:09:23.520 We put our feet over the side of the stage 2:09:23.560 --> 2:09:26.840 that's where we were lit and read the letter. 2:09:29.000 --> 2:09:32.520 Well, fran Loves, give me a letter for you. She 2:09:32.600 --> 2:09:33.360 s bring it here. 2:09:33.520 --> 2:09:35.600 Before she could sit down on the stage, I had 2:09:35.640 --> 2:09:40.840 to say, I want brand, but I lost it. Now 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:43.920 Faye dune Away comes up to me, skates over to 2:09:43.960 --> 2:09:48.000 me and puts her hand, her nail flight into my 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:52.840 shoulder and she goes standing there. I'm sitting on an 2:09:53.480 --> 2:09:58.440 apple cart. She said, you lost it, and I said yeah. 2:10:00.240 --> 2:10:05.080 But I read it first. Fran you read it, and. 2:10:05.000 --> 2:10:10.120 I said, yeah, it said deir Frand and still skating 2:10:10.160 --> 2:10:12.800 down into the light. This was sitting on the apple 2:10:12.840 --> 2:10:19.000 box while her hand slowly let up as I recited 2:10:19.080 --> 2:10:23.960 the entire letter and then and then I turned to 2:10:24.040 --> 2:10:27.400 her and I said, and there was a ring friend, 2:10:27.640 --> 2:10:29.959 But I'll find that ring. 2:10:33.080 --> 2:10:33.720 Amazing. 2:10:34.680 --> 2:10:37.760 It wasn't until two scenes later we were able to 2:10:37.800 --> 2:10:42.160 contact each other. We had different things to do and 2:10:42.360 --> 2:10:45.000 exits and stuff, and we were riding out on a 2:10:45.120 --> 2:10:48.360 trolley car and she said, how the fuck did you 2:10:48.720 --> 2:10:49.360 to that? 2:10:50.120 --> 2:10:52.680 And I said, I don't know. 2:10:53.040 --> 2:10:57.560 You got that's the improv training, that's the improv. Well, 2:10:57.640 --> 2:11:01.600 a preparation I mean to have, yeah, memorized that you 2:11:01.680 --> 2:11:02.200 might not have. 2:11:02.400 --> 2:11:04.560 Well, it went in. It didn't. 2:11:04.600 --> 2:11:08.360 I didn't mean to memorize it, but it just everything 2:11:08.560 --> 2:11:12.200 just got jammed in there so fast that it survived. 2:11:12.720 --> 2:11:14.720 Oh my gosh. 2:11:14.760 --> 2:11:17.120 She was all right. She was an all right egg. 2:11:17.240 --> 2:11:20.880 She had a tough time, you know, coming back, but. 2:11:21.800 --> 2:11:22.720 She was all right. 2:11:23.760 --> 2:11:24.839 And you were in the departed. 2:11:26.240 --> 2:11:30.360 I was in the departed, the departed. I was in 2:11:30.400 --> 2:11:34.800 the departed. I'd played Nuns and Judges, you know, I did. 2:11:35.160 --> 2:11:38.880 I did Sister Act the musical, you know, on Broadway, 2:11:39.280 --> 2:11:41.720 and I did at the Mary Wicks part in. 2:11:41.800 --> 2:11:44.880 That, you know, and you were in dowb. I don't 2:11:44.880 --> 2:11:47.480 think you were, Oh you were a sister. 2:11:47.480 --> 2:11:48.560 Yeah, yeah, I was. 2:11:48.760 --> 2:11:52.880 I was. I'm sitting on the at the table with 2:11:52.920 --> 2:11:58.760 her having dinner, you know, and she was so unbelievably present. 2:11:59.440 --> 2:12:03.520 And the moment that we were watching a rehearsal for 2:12:03.680 --> 2:12:08.520 the for the children's holiday show and we're sitting there 2:12:08.520 --> 2:12:12.000 and we had just discussed going to get some coffee, 2:12:12.040 --> 2:12:14.000 and then we said no, I'll just sit here. And 2:12:14.040 --> 2:12:16.160 we sat there and talked while they set the lights 2:12:16.200 --> 2:12:20.440 for this scene. And for the first time in my life, 2:12:20.480 --> 2:12:24.120 I know we shot the scene, but I cannot tell 2:12:24.120 --> 2:12:25.280 you where the camera was. 2:12:25.640 --> 2:12:28.480 I have no idea where the camera was. They just 2:12:28.520 --> 2:12:30.600 said we're ready to shoot. We shot. 2:12:30.920 --> 2:12:34.320 We were concentrated on the children, and you know the 2:12:34.400 --> 2:12:37.480 discussion we were having about makeup and this and that. 2:12:38.000 --> 2:12:40.880 And I tell you that night I went home and 2:12:40.880 --> 2:12:43.920 I went, it's that camera. And to this day I 2:12:43.960 --> 2:12:47.520 can't figure out where that camera was. And I've seen 2:12:47.560 --> 2:12:50.160 the film, I've seen the scene. I still can't figure 2:12:50.160 --> 2:12:54.720 out where the camera was. And there wasn't anything self 2:12:54.720 --> 2:12:57.200 diffused about it. They weren't hiding it. It was just 2:12:57.240 --> 2:13:00.680 that you're aware of these things, you know, working with 2:13:00.800 --> 2:13:04.680 Meryl Streep, you just you just do the work and 2:13:04.720 --> 2:13:07.280 you're you're on another plane. You just kind of lift 2:13:07.360 --> 2:13:10.920 up and your feet take off and nobody says to you, 2:13:11.160 --> 2:13:11.960 there's the camera. 2:13:12.600 --> 2:13:15.400 You know what I mean. You're just you don't think 2:13:15.400 --> 2:13:15.960 about it. 2:13:15.880 --> 2:13:16.320 Do you? 2:13:16.760 --> 2:13:21.120 As judge Lois Preston, did you have any preferences vers 2:13:21.160 --> 2:13:24.280 of being in chambers versus being on the bench. 2:13:26.360 --> 2:13:28.400 I liked when it was in chambers. They let me 2:13:28.440 --> 2:13:29.280 put up pictures. 2:13:29.600 --> 2:13:34.040 Oh yeah, but they walk and talk between the chambers 2:13:34.640 --> 2:13:37.960 and the and the and the bench. 2:13:39.880 --> 2:13:40.839 That's not easy. 2:13:41.040 --> 2:13:41.280 Yeah. 2:13:41.360 --> 2:13:43.360 We talk about the deal all the time with people 2:13:43.400 --> 2:13:45.040 we interview. Were like, how didn't you know that much 2:13:45.040 --> 2:13:46.680 medical jargon while you were walking? 2:13:47.680 --> 2:13:49.400 Oh? I know, I know? 2:13:49.760 --> 2:13:53.240 And how much legal My first walk and talk I 2:13:53.400 --> 2:13:56.640 kind of got tripped up, you know, And I think 2:13:56.760 --> 2:13:58.960 I was a little bit. I think I only had 2:13:59.000 --> 2:14:03.440 one or two, but this this one, I was just 2:14:03.520 --> 2:14:08.000 like and I can remember being in the hallway. I 2:14:08.040 --> 2:14:11.440 think that was when I had knocked my teeth out 2:14:11.640 --> 2:14:15.960 knock wood. I had an accident leaving the stage where 2:14:15.960 --> 2:14:21.400 I knocked out my teeth, Yeah, and but I knock 2:14:21.440 --> 2:14:23.600 wood all the times that didn't touch my eyes. 2:14:23.640 --> 2:14:26.000 You know, I landed on a chair. 2:14:26.200 --> 2:14:30.000 So so I say, I've taken a chair to the face, 2:14:30.360 --> 2:14:33.360 you know what I mean? And I survived and that 2:14:33.520 --> 2:14:39.120 was a review in the theater. But some of the 2:14:39.160 --> 2:14:42.400 teeth went away and I had to have some replacements 2:14:42.400 --> 2:14:45.480 put in and some work done, and that work that 2:14:45.680 --> 2:14:49.600 show where I did the walk and talk, I had 2:14:49.680 --> 2:14:52.160 only like half the teeth I had. 2:14:52.200 --> 2:14:54.400 Some something was wrong I was. 2:14:54.560 --> 2:14:58.560 I just remembered saying to the DP, so you're not 2:14:58.640 --> 2:15:03.040 really seeing inside mouth? Are You are kind of staying 2:15:03.040 --> 2:15:06.000 away from that, aren't we? So I just kind of 2:15:06.040 --> 2:15:10.040 remember that being kind of distracting. And Mariska said, do 2:15:10.080 --> 2:15:12.760 you need some help? And I went yes, and she 2:15:13.000 --> 2:15:15.600 just said this is what you do and she kind 2:15:15.640 --> 2:15:18.080 of walked me through it and it just completely I 2:15:18.120 --> 2:15:21.160 put my shoulders down, and I was so grateful. She 2:15:21.240 --> 2:15:25.160 was always very kind. Couldn't have been nicer. And a 2:15:25.160 --> 2:15:27.040 bunch of them came to see me do a play 2:15:27.880 --> 2:15:30.880 Kristen Rag's piece that I did at the Public Theater. 2:15:32.160 --> 2:15:33.280 Why torture is Wrong? 2:15:33.400 --> 2:15:35.839 And the people who love them or I kept getting 2:15:35.880 --> 2:15:40.600 to drop my underpants kept dropping. I mean, what a 2:15:40.640 --> 2:15:43.000 gift is that? What kind of a gift is that 2:15:43.120 --> 2:15:43.680 of a role? 2:15:43.920 --> 2:15:44.720 Huh? 2:15:44.880 --> 2:15:48.480 You get to keep dropping your underpants. So anyway, a 2:15:48.520 --> 2:15:49.800 bunch of them came to see the show. 2:15:50.000 --> 2:15:54.200 Wait, we've been talking about like people, are there any 2:15:54.240 --> 2:15:56.680 new actors that you admire their work or you can't 2:15:56.680 --> 2:15:58.560 wait to see? Like, are there any new up and 2:15:58.680 --> 2:16:00.200 becoming actors that you're in too? 2:16:01.120 --> 2:16:03.440 Well, there's not. He's not so much up and coming. 2:16:03.520 --> 2:16:05.280 But what's his name? 2:16:05.400 --> 2:16:09.160 The Irish boy who's got a movie out now about 2:16:09.240 --> 2:16:10.960 gambling in macau. 2:16:11.000 --> 2:16:14.080 Is it Paul no Oh? 2:16:14.120 --> 2:16:20.520 Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell, Colin I abdure Colline, Oh, I 2:16:20.600 --> 2:16:21.680 adure Colin Farrell. 2:16:21.720 --> 2:16:23.280 It's all I've won the street once in the East 2:16:23.360 --> 2:16:26.000 Village and it's just I shutter. I think I think 2:16:26.080 --> 2:16:29.000 he's terrific and I think he's got a lot of range. 2:16:29.360 --> 2:16:32.040 Yeah. Wait, we also have to ask one more thing 2:16:32.160 --> 2:16:32.959 you were in Friends? 2:16:34.280 --> 2:16:38.680 Yeah? Yeah, and the one where Joey, Joey gets a 2:16:38.800 --> 2:16:42.520 Joey gets his uh his place, Joey gets his own 2:16:42.520 --> 2:16:47.199 a place, his own apartment. That's what the one which 2:16:47.520 --> 2:16:51.360 and he yeah, we sing happy birthday. The parents are 2:16:51.440 --> 2:16:55.800 upstairs fucking in the shower and we're we're we are we. 2:16:55.879 --> 2:17:00.480 Sing Happy birthday, bringing in the cake. Yeah, I got it. 2:17:00.520 --> 2:17:04.520 One line, Oh, she probably has something about her kits 2:17:06.120 --> 2:17:08.160 press that are still standing straight up. 2:17:08.520 --> 2:17:12.680 I don't remember this line from nineteen ninety something like five. 2:17:12.840 --> 2:17:18.360 That's wild because it got a laugh. If it's a 2:17:18.440 --> 2:17:20.959 laugh line, you remember, lever, I get it. 2:17:22.040 --> 2:17:22.520 Yeah. 2:17:22.720 --> 2:17:23.560 Yeah. 2:17:24.320 --> 2:17:26.440 In the movie you go ahead and make my day, 2:17:27.240 --> 2:17:32.320 you know, I played a woman who gang raped, set 2:17:32.400 --> 2:17:37.640 up a gang rape for two sisters. Oh right, yeah, yeah, 2:17:37.680 --> 2:17:42.000 and one girl is catatonic. The younger sister is catatonic 2:17:42.080 --> 2:17:45.920 after the rape. This gang rape underneath the boardwalk, and 2:17:46.280 --> 2:17:49.880 I taught them about well they're being raped by the way, 2:17:50.600 --> 2:17:53.160 and her older sister comes back and kills everybody who 2:17:53.200 --> 2:17:55.320 was involved in the rape. And I know that she's 2:17:55.320 --> 2:17:58.280 in town and killing people. So when she comes to 2:17:58.360 --> 2:18:01.520 kill me, she's got a gun aimed at me. And 2:18:01.560 --> 2:18:05.080 here's a line that's your slut sister. 2:18:05.959 --> 2:18:06.560 Boom. 2:18:07.000 --> 2:18:07.480 Wow. 2:18:08.879 --> 2:18:12.800 That's my last to the very end. Oh my god. 2:18:13.200 --> 2:18:16.480 So I've done some scary things, but mostly I do 2:18:16.560 --> 2:18:17.320 funny things. 2:18:18.240 --> 2:18:21.120 Right, So you you women know what that is. 2:18:21.240 --> 2:18:25.080 That's lifting your soul, that's feeding your soul to go 2:18:25.120 --> 2:18:30.120 out there and make people laugh. It's the most goddamn seductive. 2:18:29.320 --> 2:18:30.000 Thing there is. 2:18:31.520 --> 2:18:36.240 It's seductive for them, and it's seductive for you, you know. 2:18:36.920 --> 2:18:39.440 Yeah, So you're the best. 2:18:39.640 --> 2:18:41.520 Give you prop You're the best. 2:18:42.680 --> 2:18:45.200 This was so amazing. Thank you so much for taking 2:18:45.200 --> 2:18:46.320 the time to talk to us. 2:18:46.440 --> 2:18:48.520 Thank you, thank you. I had a good time. 2:18:48.680 --> 2:18:51.960 Thanks hearing everything. Yes, good, a great. 2:18:53.800 --> 2:18:56.120 I'm enjoying the podcast now too. 2:18:56.240 --> 2:18:59.920 So who would ever get so I'm enjoying it now, 2:19:00.240 --> 2:19:01.640 so I'll be listening. 2:19:01.800 --> 2:19:05.959 Yeah, you can hear all the times I mispronounce your name, Lewis. 2:19:11.080 --> 2:19:14.520 Oh my god, that's what a dream, what a lovely 2:19:15.240 --> 2:19:18.480 I love meeting these people who are like just career 2:19:19.320 --> 2:19:23.560 actors with all these stories and what a memory, great 2:19:23.640 --> 2:19:29.520 memory lines from decades ago, little moments, the espresso beans. 2:19:29.600 --> 2:19:31.119 But we've been chased center down. I want. 2:19:31.240 --> 2:19:34.280 Yeah, it couldn't have happened at a better time. A 2:19:34.320 --> 2:19:38.720 Christmas miracle, A Christmas miracle. We got the subject of 2:19:38.760 --> 2:19:44.400 our Louis Luis T shirt on the pod. The best 2:19:44.600 --> 2:19:47.199 T shirts still available you probably won't get it for Christmas, 2:19:47.240 --> 2:19:49.959 but you can not at this point, I think, But 2:19:50.000 --> 2:19:51.960 you can get it for a little New Year's treat 2:19:52.920 --> 2:19:53.920 on New Year's treet. 2:19:54.120 --> 2:19:55.040 But yeah, amazing. 2:19:55.080 --> 2:19:58.000 I love that she remembers the guest stars, the attorneys, 2:19:58.120 --> 2:20:03.080 all the moments with the detectives their and makeup the plot. 2:20:03.080 --> 2:20:07.400 Plus I mean it was like Dunaway story, Like I mean, 2:20:07.480 --> 2:20:09.560 I barely read a script when it's not my part, 2:20:09.760 --> 2:20:13.640 Like I can't imagine memorizing like the Yatters and everything. 2:20:14.480 --> 2:20:17.840 And she named names, which I enjoy. She gave us, 2:20:18.120 --> 2:20:20.000 you know, she gave us a lot of tea and 2:20:20.040 --> 2:20:23.359 a lot of attitude. Dell Close doing Heroin in the Doorways, 2:20:23.480 --> 2:20:29.199 you know. Yeah, Lois was giving the t for sure. 2:20:29.600 --> 2:20:32.640 Uh yeah. 2:20:33.560 --> 2:20:36.119 And Sbu does need to bring her back and maybe 2:20:36.160 --> 2:20:39.160 they need to like help her do something like she 2:20:39.280 --> 2:20:43.840 reaches out to them or do they even do recurring 2:20:43.959 --> 2:20:44.920 judges anymore? 2:20:45.240 --> 2:20:46.600 Like I don't think about that. 2:20:46.760 --> 2:20:51.440 They well, yeah, the soprano's sister, But is she still 2:20:51.440 --> 2:20:53.000 into the into the current? 2:20:53.680 --> 2:20:59.440 To me? She is, but yeah, I hate it. Let's 2:20:59.480 --> 2:21:00.720 see what her list one. 2:21:00.720 --> 2:21:03.480 Speaking of a sopranos sister, I mean we had Dreya's 2:21:03.480 --> 2:21:04.240 to Matteo on. 2:21:04.280 --> 2:21:08.200 This week sixteen episodes up until so she was from 2:21:08.280 --> 2:21:11.960 season fourteen until it says twenty seven. She's in season 2:21:12.000 --> 2:21:15.160 twenty seven, episode one, and they wind all right. I 2:21:15.200 --> 2:21:17.640 would say, okay, he's the one, because all the men 2:21:17.840 --> 2:21:22.120 end up always being in the the big busts of chess. 2:21:22.200 --> 2:21:25.960 Yeah, pedophilia judges basically every time they do like Adelia, 2:21:26.040 --> 2:21:28.000 they've got to just wipe the whole slate of all 2:21:28.000 --> 2:21:31.080 the male judges and like only the female judges survive. 2:21:31.800 --> 2:21:35.760 That's so true. Yeah, they get swept up in the sweeps. Baby. 2:21:36.280 --> 2:21:39.879 But speaking of sopranos, this episode, Dreya's de Matteo does 2:21:39.959 --> 2:21:40.640 a great job. 2:21:40.720 --> 2:21:44.720 Too bad she's gone a little bit logo. This is 2:21:44.840 --> 2:21:45.320 a dang. 2:21:45.600 --> 2:21:49.480 It's like, don't have kids if you don't want to 2:21:49.480 --> 2:21:51.440 be a parent. But if you're gonna be a parent, 2:21:51.480 --> 2:21:53.600 why don't you Why don't you be a parent? Why 2:21:53.600 --> 2:21:56.760 don't you put your kid before a stepfather that beats them? 2:21:56.840 --> 2:22:00.640 Like, go fuck yourself? Sorry, people are I would never. 2:22:00.760 --> 2:22:02.039 I would never. I'm sorry. 2:22:02.200 --> 2:22:04.760 No, I mean I know it's like more complicated than that. 2:22:05.280 --> 2:22:07.800 But she made a lot of excuses and she did 2:22:07.800 --> 2:22:10.360 a lot of acting for the cops in this episode. 2:22:10.840 --> 2:22:13.240 Right, they both got away with it, like I'll tell 2:22:13.280 --> 2:22:13.880 you that much. 2:22:14.120 --> 2:22:17.000 Yeah, they were smart enough to conspire and know the 2:22:17.080 --> 2:22:19.840 law and know about how double Jeopardy works and stuff 2:22:19.879 --> 2:22:23.520 and how you know both can't be uh, you know 2:22:23.560 --> 2:22:25.680 you both can't like do you excuse I mean? But 2:22:25.680 --> 2:22:27.720 then they kind of did that plot again for the 2:22:27.720 --> 2:22:31.879 Ballad of Dwight and Arena. So interesting. I wonder how 2:22:32.080 --> 2:22:34.200 close to the real I'm sure our law our law 2:22:34.240 --> 2:22:36.520 girlies will let us know how close said is. Like 2:22:37.040 --> 2:22:40.119 if many people just both confess, they both just get 2:22:40.160 --> 2:22:40.480 to leave. 2:22:40.920 --> 2:22:43.080 Kara. I went to Marie's crisis. 2:22:43.400 --> 2:22:45.240 For those who don't know, it's like a Broadway bar 2:22:45.280 --> 2:22:47.800 in New York where there's a piano guy and people sing, 2:22:48.160 --> 2:22:49.959 and I got to saying, they both, they. 2:22:49.840 --> 2:22:50.760 Both, they both, they both. 2:22:54.040 --> 2:22:57.080 It was so fun like sometimes people are like, you know, 2:22:57.160 --> 2:22:59.160 it's theater people, so they know the deep cuts and 2:22:59.200 --> 2:23:00.480 so it's not very on for me. 2:23:00.879 --> 2:23:02.000 But this guy was just. 2:23:02.000 --> 2:23:06.120 Hit Hit Hit Chicago La Miss Grease, Hairspray, like what 2:23:06.280 --> 2:23:09.080 I love that we would know and so I but 2:23:09.200 --> 2:23:11.360 when I got to sing the gun, I obviously thought 2:23:11.360 --> 2:23:11.520 of you. 2:23:11.920 --> 2:23:12.560 So true. 2:23:12.840 --> 2:23:14.960 I like sometimes when they do too many of like 2:23:15.000 --> 2:23:17.119 the B side ballads from a show that you've never 2:23:17.160 --> 2:23:19.360 heard of. You're like, this is from assassins, Like okay, 2:23:19.400 --> 2:23:23.760 what Like, yeah, I just and good for them. 2:23:23.800 --> 2:23:26.080 I'm glad they have a place to sing. Yeah, weird songs. 2:23:26.120 --> 2:23:27.879 But when I'm there, I want the hits and I 2:23:27.879 --> 2:23:31.040 got But no, I was gonna say, I like when 2:23:31.040 --> 2:23:33.840 people answer at the same time, you know what I mean, 2:23:33.879 --> 2:23:36.240 when like Trey Mateo and the Sun at the same time, 2:23:36.280 --> 2:23:37.000 we're like, it's. 2:23:36.840 --> 2:23:40.160 Me, it was me me, Yeah, it's. 2:23:40.160 --> 2:23:49.119 Me, Okay, I speaking of Broadway. Yeah, this episode tough stuff. 2:23:49.240 --> 2:23:54.480 I mean, just fucking the depravity. It's like, yeah, people 2:23:54.480 --> 2:23:56.840 have been like smacking their kids around. 2:23:56.959 --> 2:23:58.480 That's like not something new on the show. 2:23:58.480 --> 2:24:02.000 But it's like betting on your child, beating up smaller children. 2:24:02.360 --> 2:24:04.520 It's like another level of well, I don't know. 2:24:04.600 --> 2:24:07.119 I mean early seasons we had someone adopting a boy 2:24:07.200 --> 2:24:09.560 to get him murdered to get a payout. 2:24:09.840 --> 2:24:13.360 I mean, these people are crazy. We need to protect children. 2:24:13.440 --> 2:24:19.240 Never forget the raw adopters. Oh my god, that's so true. 2:24:19.320 --> 2:24:23.440 That's so sick. But yeah, but this is not gonna 2:24:23.480 --> 2:24:26.760 make any excuse, not like Moby Dick White Whale. But 2:24:26.959 --> 2:24:30.280 I would say Judge Preston is someone we've been really 2:24:30.320 --> 2:24:32.680 gunning for. I don't know why I wanted to get her, 2:24:32.920 --> 2:24:35.720 and she gave us everything. I mean, you guys are 2:24:35.720 --> 2:24:38.560 getting the best. I mean, it was tough to edit, 2:24:38.640 --> 2:24:39.760 I would say, I will tell it. 2:24:39.840 --> 2:24:41.400 We talked to her for an hour and a half 2:24:41.600 --> 2:24:44.520 over yeah, an hour and forty two minutes we talked, 2:24:44.800 --> 2:24:48.080 So it was incredible. So big ups to Casey for 2:24:48.240 --> 2:24:50.959 editing that down to something that you guys could listen to. 2:24:51.120 --> 2:24:52.800 And I feel bad for you guys that you don't 2:24:52.800 --> 2:24:56.560 get to hear more, to be honest, because so many 2:24:56.560 --> 2:24:59.440 good stories and tales and remember and I love her 2:25:00.000 --> 2:25:02.039 bringing up Colin Ferrell being an up and coming I. 2:25:02.000 --> 2:25:02.640 Mean he was not. 2:25:02.879 --> 2:25:04.400 We're like, who do you like that's up and coming? 2:25:04.520 --> 2:25:08.080 Colin Farrell? Amazing. It seemed like she had a crush 2:25:08.120 --> 2:25:11.680 on Colin Farrell. Maybe she's seen his sex tape. I 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:13.400 kind of had a crush on him more after I 2:25:13.440 --> 2:25:15.240 saw his sex tape. 2:25:15.360 --> 2:25:19.320 I I really I thought I like him. I like 2:25:19.360 --> 2:25:20.920 Colin Farrell. Oh me too. 2:25:21.000 --> 2:25:23.160 I don't think I've ever seen one movie he's ever done, 2:25:23.200 --> 2:25:24.440 but I like him. 2:25:24.920 --> 2:25:27.960 Let me look at his IMDb. Hold on, oh I have? 2:25:28.720 --> 2:25:30.840 I mean also TV shows too, I guess, like True 2:25:30.840 --> 2:25:31.720 Detective and stuff. 2:25:31.760 --> 2:25:33.879 But what are let's. 2:25:33.680 --> 2:25:36.000 See I'm gonna see if I've seen his movie. I 2:25:36.040 --> 2:25:37.920 will want to watch the Penguin since he won the 2:25:37.959 --> 2:25:45.440 award and stuff. She's of Scheran. Can you imagine that, Shearon? 2:25:45.640 --> 2:25:46.879 That's just not gonna happen. 2:25:47.080 --> 2:25:50.640 Yeah, I didn't see the Lobster, but I did see 2:25:50.680 --> 2:25:51.119 the other. 2:25:51.560 --> 2:25:54.000 Isn't he in Killing of a Sacred Deer? Yes? 2:25:54.080 --> 2:25:58.080 I did see that one. Not I would see the Beguiles. 2:25:58.320 --> 2:26:00.680 I haven't seen solid. I didn't want his season of. 2:26:00.680 --> 2:26:03.560 Shoot you didn't watch the Dumbo reboot? Are you out 2:26:03.560 --> 2:26:05.000 of the live action Dumbo? 2:26:06.040 --> 2:26:09.480 I actually was screaming at people yesterday about how against 2:26:09.560 --> 2:26:15.280 I am a against uh. Things should be made into cartoons, 2:26:15.280 --> 2:26:18.920 not cartoons, right, vis It makes no sense saving mister 2:26:19.000 --> 2:26:23.040 bank snow. Okay, Farrel's in Horrible Bosses and he's in 2:26:23.200 --> 2:26:25.640 Seven Psychopaths. I saw that. That's where I'm at right now. 2:26:25.680 --> 2:26:28.359 I've seen Seven Psychopaths and I've seen Horrible Bosses. 2:26:29.720 --> 2:26:31.880 But you're right, I know him so much more as 2:26:31.959 --> 2:26:35.439 just a hot man. I have not seen so many. 2:26:35.200 --> 2:26:38.360 Of these movies that I have not seen another movie 2:26:38.440 --> 2:26:40.600 but Veronica Gern I should remember for the movie Game, 2:26:40.680 --> 2:26:43.879 Kate Blenchett, let's get that in my head. I know 2:26:43.959 --> 2:26:46.560 about Phone Booth. Oh, I watched Minority Report this year 2:26:48.000 --> 2:26:51.360 because I'm yeah, like the Recruit, Daredevil, all this stuff. 2:26:51.360 --> 2:26:53.600 It's like, I never I don't. I've never seen any 2:26:53.640 --> 2:26:57.600 of the Alexander. Alexander was like his version of like 2:26:58.160 --> 2:27:00.560 Troy Yeah yeah or no, what? 2:27:00.720 --> 2:27:07.080 Yeah? Should I name more one from the one Gladiator? 2:27:07.400 --> 2:27:09.120 You know what? It felt like that kind of type 2:27:09.120 --> 2:27:11.720 of movie. But yes, you had the exact same. 2:27:12.120 --> 2:27:15.840 So I've seen three out of his sixty seven credits. 2:27:16.200 --> 2:27:17.959 But he's been a part of my life and he 2:27:18.200 --> 2:27:20.840 is hot and that's important. 2:27:20.840 --> 2:27:25.400 And then true Detective, he's amazing. I've never seen fantastic Beasts. Yeah, 2:27:25.680 --> 2:27:28.480 this is crazy. Oh Widows. I saw Widows. We know, 2:27:28.560 --> 2:27:32.240 I fucking love Widows. I did not Widows. Oh man, 2:27:32.480 --> 2:27:35.240 I did like Widows con like not for real, but 2:27:35.320 --> 2:27:38.120 like I was like throwing up w's taking photos of 2:27:38.160 --> 2:27:39.400 myself at the movie theater. 2:27:39.360 --> 2:27:40.640 Like I love Widows. 2:27:41.000 --> 2:27:47.240 Oh the first time I saw Cynthia Rivo. Yes, dude, 2:27:48.000 --> 2:27:51.480 she's a pretty big part of Widows and she's twenty 2:27:51.520 --> 2:27:53.959 five people down on the on the list on IMDb. 2:27:54.640 --> 2:27:57.720 I had to go to more cast. That's crazy. 2:27:57.920 --> 2:27:59.600 That's the first thing I saw Cynthia Rivo, and I 2:27:59.600 --> 2:28:02.280 think was because I had not seen her in any 2:28:02.280 --> 2:28:05.640 of her like live theater. But tune in next week 2:28:05.840 --> 2:28:09.920 for our recaps of my recap of for Good. 2:28:12.480 --> 2:28:15.560 But yeah, do you want to get into what has 2:28:15.760 --> 2:28:17.400 changed within me? Yeah? 2:28:17.800 --> 2:28:19.720 I can't believe you got to do don't reach? They 2:28:19.920 --> 2:28:22.320 both reached for the gun. That's such a fun one 2:28:22.600 --> 2:28:27.320 was electric it? Oh yes, did you just slow down part? Oh? 2:28:27.400 --> 2:28:27.640 Yes? 2:28:27.879 --> 2:28:31.200 So everything you know you were with the theater geeks. 2:28:31.400 --> 2:28:33.480 So yeah, all the little moments. 2:28:33.840 --> 2:28:36.920 Yeah, and we got the best booth, Like there's like 2:28:37.000 --> 2:28:40.040 one table that's amazing, and we had it because if 2:28:40.040 --> 2:28:42.240 there wasn't, if I wasn't at that table, I would. 2:28:42.000 --> 2:28:46.800 Have left very quickly. Oh, we had Like I've never 2:28:46.879 --> 2:28:49.400 been there. I maybe some of those other like Don't 2:28:49.440 --> 2:28:51.400 Tell Mama's, I've been to some of those other Broadway bars, 2:28:51.400 --> 2:28:53.320 but I've never been to Marie's crisis. 2:28:53.680 --> 2:28:57.360 Yeah, I guess it's become a thing for me, but 2:28:57.440 --> 2:28:58.520 I'm not happy about it. 2:29:00.800 --> 2:29:05.920 Tell the people how they can help, Okay the people. 2:29:05.879 --> 2:29:07.440 Let's get to what would Sister Peg do. 2:29:07.800 --> 2:29:11.560 This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards, 2:29:11.600 --> 2:29:14.480 you know, an organization, a book, an article, something to 2:29:14.480 --> 2:29:16.200 give you more info about what we talked about today. 2:29:16.440 --> 2:29:18.200 And this week we're pointing you. 2:29:18.680 --> 2:29:24.959 I felt like, after seeing Drea de Matteo's character struggling 2:29:25.040 --> 2:29:27.879 in this relationship, I wanted to point to a domestic 2:29:27.959 --> 2:29:31.320 violence organization, and I found one called Live your dream 2:29:31.440 --> 2:29:35.360 dot org, which is about a movement fiercely dedicated to 2:29:35.480 --> 2:29:38.119 ensuring every woman and girl has the opportunity to reach 2:29:38.160 --> 2:29:41.160 her full potential, be free from violence, and live her dreams. 2:29:41.560 --> 2:29:43.760 They provide women and girls with access to the education 2:29:43.840 --> 2:29:46.800 and training they need to achieve economic empowerment. 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Remember I was at 2:30:24.840 --> 2:30:30.800 a party with a killer. So no, we're going to 2:30:30.840 --> 2:30:33.480 be doing something, yeah, different from the holidays. We've never 2:30:33.520 --> 2:30:37.680 done anything like it. And we're going to watch death 2:30:37.760 --> 2:30:41.279 and Apartment six. So three what Happened to Ellen Greenberg? 2:30:41.360 --> 2:30:44.440 It's a three part doc on Hulu and we are 2:30:44.480 --> 2:30:47.119 going to be speaking to the director of the doc 2:30:47.600 --> 2:30:50.040 and we're going to do a deep dive fully into 2:30:50.080 --> 2:30:53.560 this case and documentary with the director of the documentary, 2:30:53.680 --> 2:30:58.920 who is such an accomplished person. 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