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Speaker 1: We talk SVU episodes, True Crimes, talk to guests from
Speaker 1: the show and we chat and we've.
Speaker 3: Got we've I haven't talked. Yeah, I haven't seen you
Speaker 3: in weeks.
Speaker 2: I have a huge name dropping moment that I'd like
Speaker 2: to discuss.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, I've been raving about Natalie Polomidez's show. She's here
Speaker 2: in New York. I don't know why she thought of me,
Speaker 2: but I'm glad she did. She messages me, She goes,
Speaker 2: I have tickets to Broadway show. Do you want to
Speaker 2: come with me on Friday? I go, you are Friday
Speaker 2: night off? You're like, you're always performing? She goes, and
Speaker 2: my show's aren't one in the morning, so I was free.
Speaker 1: So so she's like, they have a private event.
Speaker 2: I have free Do you want to go to this
Speaker 2: Broadway show? I go great. We get there. It's called art.
Speaker 2: We have like four throw seats and I know this
Speaker 2: play from high school, so I feel really like educated
Speaker 2: and cool. But it's James Cordon. Yes, it's Bobby kind
Speaker 2: of Ollie, and it's Neil Patrick Harris. And basically James
Speaker 2: Cordon and Neil Patrick Harris went to her show. We're
Speaker 2: obsessed with it, gave her these tickets. We're backstage. James
Speaker 2: Cordon's making me a cocktail. Neil Patrick Harris is on
Speaker 2: the floor so I could sit on a chair, and
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Bobby kennavally, trying that to say funky
Speaker 2: tasting spunk directly to his face.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't, but.
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, of course this happens after we've done
Speaker 1: his episode of Best for You, haven't we.
Speaker 3: I didn't even bring up best Tea.
Speaker 2: I acted since I was a plus one, you know,
Speaker 2: I acted normal enough. I brought up Dexter to Neil
Speaker 2: Patrick Harris. I did. I brought up I'll tell you
Speaker 2: my thing right now for this.
Speaker 3: I have one too. I have one too. But it
Speaker 3: was so cool.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's crazy. I passed the poster for it on
Speaker 1: my way to see you. Mary this summer and Jared
Speaker 1: and I were talking about it because my husband used
Speaker 1: to work for Cordon and he My and Jared knew
Speaker 1: the play. He's like, oh, yeah, I knew that play
Speaker 1: was I brought them up. I go my high school
Speaker 1: did it? They go, you're a high school? And then
Speaker 1: I got to be like my high school put up equis.
Speaker 1: It was a really progressive, cool program, you know. But
Speaker 1: but Bobby eventually goes, so do you know anyone here?
Speaker 2: And I go, no, I'm her plus echo that's why.
Speaker 2: But James really like, I mean, he blew it out
Speaker 2: of the wall. I mean, he was incredible. He was
Speaker 2: the best part of that show.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like kind of crazy. I didn't expect it.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect my I mean, I'm obsessed with Bobby Kennavolli.
Speaker 3: That's whoy.
Speaker 1: I was like most excited to see and for throw
Speaker 1: and the lighting, like it was really cool.
Speaker 2: And because it's the like Theater Cares Week or something
Speaker 2: like that, they were auctioning off paintings at the end
Speaker 2: from the show for an Aide's charity, and so that
Speaker 2: was cool. They broke the fourth wall at the end
Speaker 2: and there was like five thousand and fourth. You know,
Speaker 2: like people were going out things, but I like love
Speaker 2: New York. I had the best day. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: started at the Food Pank, then I went to World
Speaker 2: Trade Center to do a podcast seventy seventh floor. Then
Speaker 2: I walked to go to a Broadway show, and then
Speaker 2: I walked to the Comedy Cellar fifty blocks and I
Speaker 2: had three spots, and I go, I mean, New York
Speaker 2: City is insane. I'm like, I can't even believe I
Speaker 2: did so much in a day. I'm sitting with Bobby
Speaker 2: Kennavali and I have like four more hours of activity left.
Speaker 2: So I've just been really corny about New York. But
Speaker 2: that was like so cool. I love being backstage at Broadway.
Speaker 2: It means more than anything. I think it's like more
Speaker 2: exciting than even SNL.
Speaker 1: I think the only time I've ever done that was
Speaker 1: for Oh Mary, But that's the only time I've ever
Speaker 1: done it.
Speaker 3: It's cool, though it's.
Speaker 2: Hard, yeah, but oh but also what was funny because
Speaker 2: I fucked up in my head.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm stoned.
Speaker 2: But Natalie, we went outside and we're trying to enter,
Speaker 2: which is crazy. You're supposed to like wait inside and
Speaker 2: then be brought backstage. So then the security was looking
Speaker 2: for us, and then they're like Natalie, And then everyone
Speaker 2: that was waiting at the stage door was like happy
Speaker 2: for Natalie. So everyone kept going okay, Natalie, and everyone
Speaker 2: started clapping that we got to go backstage, so it
Speaker 2: was like really a supportive group as well.
Speaker 1: I bet it's so funny if you're just like a
Speaker 1: Broadway like if you're just like a tourist going to
Speaker 1: see Broadway or you don't really know like how that
Speaker 1: Natalie is such a talented performer, You're like, Wow, James
Speaker 1: Cordon and the cast of Art really loved the girl
Speaker 1: from the progressive commercials, you know, like yeah.
Speaker 3: Like wow, Okay, I guess that's but all stage all right.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's such a star studded performance. I
Speaker 2: would say it was like the coolest door guy's security
Speaker 2: of any show I'd ever been to, Like chatting with
Speaker 2: me when I was waiting for Natalie to arrive, like
Speaker 2: didn't know what, like just really cool people working at
Speaker 2: this theater.
Speaker 1: It's really exesing and you I'm sorry you said, what
Speaker 1: did you say about Dexter? Did you talk to Neil
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris about Dexter well, because I'm wearing a Dexter
Speaker 1: Morgan bracelet. So I got to be like Yana and
Speaker 1: this seems bad, but like, I don't care about him
Speaker 1: as much as Bobby, Like I'm trying to preserve some
Speaker 1: sort of humility with this other man, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: and I mostly just talked about how great Natalie Show was,
Speaker 1: which might have been rude, but Neil I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I loved that noise you made.
Speaker 3: He hasn't watched it yet.
Speaker 2: And then he told me who he based his character on,
Speaker 2: and I fully forgot, So that sucks, but I.
Speaker 3: Go, that was so cool. I'm like, you guys were fun.
Speaker 2: I loved when he like realized, you know, he was
Speaker 2: the Bay Harper Butcher and we had like a funny
Speaker 2: little chat about it.
Speaker 1: Wow, the president, you think the president of the Magic
Speaker 1: Castle hanging out? He's the president of the Magic Castle.
Speaker 1: He at least he was for a long time.
Speaker 3: He still is. No but James Gordon, I would say,
Speaker 3: blew me away.
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize he was like this Tony winner
Speaker 2: and a theater guy, and maybe I should have, but
Speaker 2: he really like surprised me. It was so like, I
Speaker 2: loved his physicality. Oh my god, did you see this
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino interview? Okay, so I woke up this morning.
Speaker 2: I just scrolled. I don't have anything. So he was
Speaker 2: doing an interview and it's like his ten favorite or
Speaker 2: twenty favorite movies of this century or something I don't know.
Speaker 2: And he hates Paul Dano. There will be blood, he goes,
Speaker 2: it would be higher on my list. But fuck Paul Dano.
Speaker 2: He's weak sauce. He's not a good actor. He sucked
Speaker 2: in Little Miss Sunshine. I'm adding my own.
Speaker 1: He did not say what like, but that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just like fully going in on Paul Dano
Speaker 1: and how much he sucks. Whoa, Okay, yeah, crazy because
Speaker 1: I think he's really talented. Well, but Quentin Tarantino strikes
Speaker 1: me as the kind of person that if you pissed
Speaker 1: him off, he never forgets.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he said he was uninteresting in Little Miss
Speaker 2: Sunshine and oh so you put him with the weakest
Speaker 2: male actor in SAG. I'm not saying he's giving a
Speaker 2: terrible performance. I'm saying he's giving a non entity performance
Speaker 2: I don't care for. Okay, this is why I'm bringing
Speaker 2: this up. I was like, why am I saying this? Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't care for him. I don't care for Owen Wilson,
Speaker 2: and I don't care for Matthew Lillard.
Speaker 3: Whoa yeah, Tarantino just out here, just right a bullet.
Speaker 2: But remember I told Matthew Lillard I loved his physicality
Speaker 2: and facial expressions. He said it was like the rudest
Speaker 2: thing you could say to an actor and got so offended.
Speaker 2: And so with James Corden, I wanted to be like,
Speaker 2: I loved his physicality, like I loved the way he
Speaker 2: played this character. But I'm like, is it rude because
Speaker 2: of this Matthew Lillard thing? And then Quentin Tarantino thinks
Speaker 2: Matthew Lillard is like the worst actor.
Speaker 1: There might be a difference though, also because physicality in
Speaker 1: a play is like necessary because you really have to
Speaker 1: do play for like people that are in the back
Speaker 1: of the room, you know, like whereas on TV. I
Speaker 1: think when people hear physicality they think that you're eating,
Speaker 1: like you're doing too much, you know, you're like chewing
Speaker 1: the scenery. I guess, but wait, that's that's wow, okay,
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: Do want to do own also, So I went to
Speaker 2: the food bank a few times. I am obsessed, but
Speaker 2: I was going through donations because thinks, you know, holidays,
Speaker 2: people donate more. We had to check all the expiration
Speaker 2: dates food that expired in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: everyone's clear their cabinets out. That's like crazy, That's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's sort of why. It's like if you heard, yeah,
Speaker 2: you should either mostly go out and buy cans or you.
Speaker 1: Should just give money because the food banks, Like what
Speaker 1: I've heard is like if you have the means to
Speaker 1: give money, food banks need they have deals with places,
Speaker 1: so your money will go farther if you just give
Speaker 1: them money as opposed to you going to like a
Speaker 1: shopwrite and buying a bunch of cans of peas.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also you know, some of them a lot
Speaker 2: of good, Like there was a lot of the say,
Speaker 2: like you could tell it was one person went and
Speaker 2: bought like every mac and cheese box at their local
Speaker 2: store or something, and that was great. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: was really I guess I wasn't shocked, but I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, Like, you're trying to give people food
Speaker 2: that expired six years ago?
Speaker 1: That's what you want to give them. I was really disturbed. Actually, well, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let me tell you my name.
Speaker 3: Who I saw.
Speaker 1: So I was at a party that I go to
Speaker 1: every year, and I saw David des Melchin. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and he I just read his article either he just
Speaker 1: did a big interview.
Speaker 3: Oh he would bulcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't know about him until Dexter, and
Speaker 1: so I've been reading so much about him.
Speaker 3: Well, like we always just like say hi to each other.
Speaker 1: But I was like, he doesn't know who I am,
Speaker 1: but he said hi to me for he was like
Speaker 1: saying hi to me first. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so glad I'm running into you. I
Speaker 1: was like, I you know, I watched that Boston Strangler
Speaker 1: movie you were in and I thought it was really great.
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh god, I'm so horrible, like like
Speaker 1: meeting his characters, like the things I.
Speaker 3: Have to do in that movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, And I go, yeah, I go And then I go,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Dexter, I also saw you in Dexter.
Speaker 3: You were awesome. He goes, now that was fun.
Speaker 1: He just kept talking about how fun it was, and
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, and like you're the well it's no spoilers,
Speaker 1: but I'm like the twists, you know, like he goes,
Speaker 1: I know, wasn't that cool? Like he was really he
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, you know, the Boston Shrinkler
Speaker 1: movie was really good. I don't know why it didn't
Speaker 1: get he goes was He's agreed, He's like, I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great film.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that it didn't get more. I was.
Speaker 1: I was saying that. I said, I'm surprised to get
Speaker 1: more attention. And then I was like, but Dexter and
Speaker 1: he was like, just couldn't stop talking about how fun
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Well, and he was friended with Kristin Ritter.
Speaker 2: It seems what I got from the interviews with her
Speaker 2: like she loves him the most, Like they were friends
Speaker 2: going into it. I wonder if they did some if
Speaker 2: Marvel something together or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, perhaps he's like, yeah, he's yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 3: He's in Dark Night.
Speaker 1: He's in so much more sad than I know, because
Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of this stuff exactly. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's not in my genre. Wait, isn't Prisoners a famous
Speaker 1: Paul Dano movie?
Speaker 3: Yes? And that that's what I was reading.
Speaker 2: I was reading, like the it was mostly the whole
Speaker 2: interview was him talking about his work in Prisoners, but
Speaker 2: changed his life because he was supposed to. He was
Speaker 2: broke as fuck. He was offered this movie for twenty
Speaker 2: grand and he needed the money. But there was like
Speaker 2: a Michael Kane quote about listening to your heart and
Speaker 2: what does your heart say? And he just he turned
Speaker 2: it down and the next day he had the audition
Speaker 2: for Prisoners. Because the guy Dallas villa Venu or whatever.
Speaker 1: He.
Speaker 3: Dennis villa Venue I believe it's pronounced Denny Villeneu.
Speaker 2: He loved The Dark Knight and Nolan, so he like
Speaker 2: was he was excited to cast this guy and just
Speaker 2: mansion and said like during the whole time on set
Speaker 2: that like Dennis wanted to talk about Nolan and like,
Speaker 2: oh nor now. But because he didn't take this twenty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars project, he was able because he would have
Speaker 2: been on a flight, he wouldn't be able to go
Speaker 2: an audition for Prisoners, okay, and it changes everything.
Speaker 1: He's the nicest guy, Like we chatted for a little
Speaker 1: while and what's crazy is I just googled him to
Speaker 1: make sure that I was saying his last name right,
Speaker 1: and when you google him, it says people also search
Speaker 1: for Paul Dano, and it says trending under Paul Dano's
Speaker 1: name because clearly he Quententino his name in his mouth,
Speaker 1: Tarantina about his name in his mouth, and now everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about Paul.
Speaker 2: Dan But also like he was a kid, but obviously
Speaker 2: so good in There Will be Blood but like Escape It,
Speaker 2: Dan Mora is incredible. I just don't think he's back
Speaker 2: like Owen Wilson. Sure, but then Midnight in Paris is
Speaker 2: in his top twenty movies or in his top ten,
Speaker 2: like he keeps putting people the movies that with the actors,
Speaker 2: Like you hate Owen Wilson, but you loved Midnight in Paris.
Speaker 2: I don't understand that. Yeah, but Toy Story three is
Speaker 2: his number two pick?
Speaker 3: Wow? Wow? Wait who else did I see it?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: So, but you could tell he had fun with that part.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I'm glad you guys hung out. Yeah, Holiday,
Speaker 2: he's gonna start it, honey.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I saw I saw former guests of
Speaker 1: the pod Ricky Linnholm, I saw a couple of other
Speaker 1: fun folks.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I'm mid Montreal December seventeenth, tomorrow, tomorrow if
Speaker 2: you're watching, oh yeah, you're listening comesorrow Montreal.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so let's talk about how my of course,
Speaker 1: my feed is filled with this, so your feed's gonna
Speaker 1: be filled with this. But like, I keep seeing ninety
Speaker 1: different videos about how Rollin's and Finn are having to
Speaker 1: split time because SVU cannot afford both actors full time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sort of, I do feel like the money
Speaker 1: is probably insane when you've just been on a show
Speaker 1: for that long, But I'm like, you can't figure out
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like, keep Rollin's part time, we
Speaker 2: need Finn full time.
Speaker 3: Like she's a professor on the side. I don't get that, but.
Speaker 1: I think they should just bring her in as the
Speaker 1: bad Wong, have her come into profile once in a while.
Speaker 1: But she's not in every Is she in the beginning?
Speaker 1: Is she in the credits this season? I can't remember,
Speaker 1: I don't I have I'm really behind on this season,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Yeah, but I mean, I oh, I'm
Speaker 1: caught up. But I said he's not mad and that
Speaker 1: he's annoyed with people spinning it. It just is what
Speaker 1: it is, and he's just looking forward to season twenty
Speaker 1: seven is what he said, or twenty eight or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just looking for the next one. It's
Speaker 1: about making it to twenty eight.
Speaker 3: He goes. I love this show. They've done so much
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: And he said, and that gives He goes, if I
Speaker 2: got time, I'll find a way to make a dime
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's work.
Speaker 1: He's out there working and doing other stuff, focusing on music.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, well I know, but also that
Speaker 1: CMZ started to interrupt you. But this TMZ interview was
Speaker 1: at Chanelle's tenth birthday party. So at the end of
Speaker 1: the interview, he goes and thanks everyone for showing up
Speaker 1: to Chanelle's tenth birthday, TMZ leave your gift on the
Speaker 1: gift table, Like, what is happening? I I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm caught up. And so I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people that listen to us, maybe a lot of people
Speaker 1: say they stopped after the Maloney years, so some people
Speaker 1: don't still watch the show. But if you're not caught
Speaker 1: up recently, he fit, we talked about it. I think
Speaker 1: on this podcast, Finn got like bamboozled. He got like
Speaker 1: sort of led into a bait and switch and he
Speaker 1: got eat up. And so now the context is he
Speaker 1: keeps he came back on the last episode, but then
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't think I'm ready yet. I'm like,
Speaker 1: fucking Finn Tutuola is ready to come back, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But they're saying he's not ready because
Speaker 1: it's this whole thing. I just hope it's not too
Speaker 1: distracting because I do like a lot of these new
Speaker 1: episodes in the newer season. I really feel like this
Speaker 1: new showrunner is bringing it back to old school and
Speaker 1: I like it, Like did you watch the Jemima Kirk
Speaker 1: episode yet? Or you haven't had a chance. The Jemima
Speaker 1: Kirk episode is really cool. They did like a Oppenheim
Speaker 1: Brothers episode or like not really, but it's like these
Speaker 1: two bros that do real estate together, and that one's
Speaker 1: really fucked up. There's a couple of like really like
Speaker 1: interesting episode.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like, like, I like where it's
Speaker 3: going this season. Some of it. I feel like I
Speaker 3: saw one where I was like, what.
Speaker 2: Well, let's bond over all because I watched all her
Speaker 2: fault and beast in me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so be Sindmy's my next thing, because everybody's been
Speaker 1: telling me how good that is. We've been watching Slow Horses.
Speaker 1: We're almost done. Fucking loves Slow Horses. But I just
Speaker 1: watched All Her Fault.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched that yet.
Speaker 2: It's funny. Oh it's this guy slow Horses. I mean, Gary, oldman. Gary.
Speaker 2: Can you have the same face for one minute?
Speaker 1: No, he can't, but he's he's really I think we
Speaker 1: might have already talked about this on this pot, but
Speaker 1: I love him and he's so smelly in the show.
Speaker 1: But he's really good, but smell. But yeah, All Her
Speaker 1: Fault let's talk about everybody. Give it a give it
Speaker 1: a watch. I really would Jared watch it with you.
Speaker 1: He watched the first two and then he went out
Speaker 1: of town and I was like, can I keep going?
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, So.
Speaker 1: He also when we were watching it together, he was
Speaker 1: definitely like kept going, Wait can we pause it?
Speaker 3: Do I do that?
Speaker 1: Like? He was really like, I think everybody should watch
Speaker 1: it with their husbands. If you're in a heteronormative relationship,
Speaker 1: and if you have kids, like watch it with your
Speaker 1: husbands and see how they react, because it's pretty heavy
Speaker 1: handed on how men. But the thing they think that
Speaker 1: everything's fifty to fifty and it's not. But it's not heavy.
Speaker 1: It is heavy handed because the messaging is very clear.
Speaker 1: But I don't find that it's hitting you over the head.
Speaker 1: It is subtle a story. It is done so well.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, if you're a woman, it's heavy. It's
Speaker 1: like if you know it, you can recognize it. But
Speaker 1: I would say it's not heavy. Heavy handed is the
Speaker 1: wrong word. It's just a clear message, clear like of
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. It's not beating you over the
Speaker 1: head for sure. But I thought the show was really good.
Speaker 1: I love the twists and turns. At the end, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is gonzo, Like the ending is gonzo,
Speaker 1: But I thought, like, it's.
Speaker 2: Not that gonzo because to me, it hammer's home. The
Speaker 2: point spoiler. If you have not seen it and don't
Speaker 2: want the end, just fast forward fast thirty seconds. I
Speaker 2: have to say this, Casey, I don't know, plug your ears,
Speaker 2: but I doubt you care. You're gonna watch this. But
Speaker 2: I loved when she goes, yeah, I manage your allergies.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was but not that part. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that part was Gonzo. I kind of thought,
Speaker 1: just like how they're connected is like insane. Oh the car,
Speaker 1: the car crashed, the babies, like they're both driving home
Speaker 1: with new babies on the same night.
Speaker 3: Like, but I liked it because it like shows the path.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like this guy that on the paper, I didn't
Speaker 3: think he could get more evil.
Speaker 2: And Sarah Snook was saying in an interview that like
Speaker 2: for this all to work, she had to make sure
Speaker 2: that it like she was obsessed with him in the beginning,
Speaker 2: you know, like there she was really in love with
Speaker 2: him and happy that to be in a relationship with him,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And somebody wrote something somewhere that I'm sorry, I can't
Speaker 1: credit you because I don't remember, and it might have
Speaker 1: been read it. But like they were like at this
Speaker 1: point that that actor Jake Lacey, We're just you're not
Speaker 1: gonna cast him in anything where I don't immediately think
Speaker 1: he's the fucking villain, like he's so he was good
Speaker 1: and obvious child and not a villain.
Speaker 3: But yeah, then yeah, and then on it's just been.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but since and it's just been like douche vibes.
Speaker 1: I was next to him at an airport, going to
Speaker 1: UH with his family, going to Aspen for a gig
Speaker 1: a couple like a year ago, a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago, and I was like, damn, even in person,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, are you a dick? Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, he's definitely And then he played the We've
Speaker 1: covered it on the podcast The Abducted in plain Sight,
Speaker 1: a documentary that like, he plays that guy in the
Speaker 1: dramatization of it that was on Hulu or whatever, like
Speaker 1: a friend of the Family.
Speaker 3: I think it's.
Speaker 1: Called he plays the guy who like grooms his next
Speaker 1: door neighbor and then.
Speaker 3: Kidnaps her twice. Damn.
Speaker 1: So like they're giving him he's taking a lot of
Speaker 1: dirtbag rolls.
Speaker 2: And the only thing that bothers me and it's kind
Speaker 2: of informed. What I'm trying to work on is just
Speaker 2: like I and this happened, and it's like so heavy handed.
Speaker 2: In the foreshadow, they'll like zoom in on an item
Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, well, I guess that.
Speaker 1: It's like those when they zoom in on a scar
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, flag that for follow up.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't strike.
Speaker 2: These little drops of stuff that are so like did
Speaker 2: you see the security systems turned off, and.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we got it.
Speaker 1: I don't, well because I don't really I get that
Speaker 1: people maybe feel like they have to telegraph stuff for
Speaker 1: people that are like dumb or something.
Speaker 3: Not I'm we're on our phones they don't trust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that it? It's called because the thing is
Speaker 1: is like people are more sleuthy than ever. People are
Speaker 1: more looking for Easter eggs than ever before. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember in mad Men, everybody's like Don Draper's wife
Speaker 1: is going to get killed by the Manson family. There's
Speaker 1: so many clues, there's so many Easter eggs, Like everyone's
Speaker 1: looking for Easter eggs, like if you had just For example,
Speaker 1: in All Her Fault, there is a moment where they
Speaker 1: zoom in on Sarah Stook's scar on her shoulder and
Speaker 1: they don't talk about it until for five episodes later.
Speaker 1: Could they not just have shown her taking the selfie
Speaker 1: and if you notice the scar, you notice the scar?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's the dumbing.
Speaker 1: It's like the Internet would have said, I saw the
Speaker 1: scar are in the selfie scene?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I I don't like feeling like I'm an idiot that
Speaker 2: I'm being treated.
Speaker 3: Like an idiot.
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, but I agree. It's like they are.
Speaker 1: They're not calling you an idiot, they're saying everyone's an idiot.
Speaker 1: They're on their phones.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: But I liked the I liked the Chicago element, of course,
Speaker 2: and I liked the married element. I liked the now
Speaker 2: way I live in Chicago, where you have that home,
Speaker 2: I would, I believe because I think I told you
Speaker 2: this last summer when I was on a boat. Remember
Speaker 2: I was on a boat and then we passed the
Speaker 2: house and he's like, I live there. So I feel
Speaker 2: it's like Evanston, Winetka, like those first north Shore suburbs
Speaker 2: on the water, or those homes and just that because
Speaker 2: like when I grew up, me and my friends in
Speaker 2: high school would get in her car and drive up
Speaker 2: the North up the Lake Shore, drive all the way
Speaker 2: north and look at the big houses.
Speaker 3: That was like part of our like lives, like our
Speaker 3: free time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so up like north Shore, the houses are big
Speaker 2: and like up all the way to Lake Forest. But
Speaker 2: I feel like they're more right north Shore because they
Speaker 2: go to work in the city.
Speaker 1: Because they do these like sweeping like drone shots of
Speaker 1: their whole property and You're like, what the fuck that's
Speaker 1: like in a city, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know someone, but it's closed.
Speaker 2: Someone said that they filmed it in a different place
Speaker 2: and it was so obvious, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: think it was. It wasn't obvious to me because I know, like,
Speaker 2: you can have those homes in Evanston, which is ten
Speaker 2: minutes from the city or like thirty twenty minutes from downtown.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I was also very and you know, I'm just nitpicking.
Speaker 1: I was very wonder I was wondering how Dakota Fanning's
Speaker 1: character is so rich. And yes, there's generational well she
Speaker 1: probably has family money, but she's sort of high up
Speaker 1: in publishing, but not really because she's not. She's still
Speaker 1: waiting for this big fish that she's trying to get. Right,
Speaker 1: She's not like yeah making she means. And her husband's
Speaker 1: a high school teacher.
Speaker 2: I know there's he comes from money for sure, one
Speaker 2: of them come from money because even working and publishing,
Speaker 2: like he makes a comment to her like oh a
Speaker 2: promotion and more responsibly even no more money. So that's
Speaker 2: a passion project high school. That's like a passion thing
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, and they go to the same school.
Speaker 1: They go to this same like private school with these
Speaker 1: freaking people that have this massive So I was kind
Speaker 1: of wondering, how Dakota fanning, But yeah, family money for sure.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I like the friendship in it. I think that that
Speaker 1: girl's relationship with her husband is so fucking nuts too.
Speaker 1: The mom culture of it, with that that woman at
Speaker 1: school that's always like, are you gonna volunteer for the fundraiser?
Speaker 1: And like, you know, I thought there was like a
Speaker 1: lot of good shit in that show.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I did watch a movie I hadn't seen ever before.
Speaker 2: I watched Magnolia for the first time.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's crazy because Jared has talked to me like
Speaker 1: three times in the past two months about how Magnolia
Speaker 1: is so good. And at Thanksgiving dinner, somebody was trying
Speaker 1: to tell me that Tom Cruise has like never made
Speaker 1: a bad movie and that he's a great person, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't have this conversation with you,
Speaker 1: But I was like, it could be a generous person
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in general, but he's like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: like and I was like, somebody told you one story
Speaker 1: about how he's nice on a set. That does not
Speaker 1: mean like that he's not responsible for a lot of
Speaker 1: bad shit that's gone down.
Speaker 2: Also, with rich people being nice, it's like sending everyone
Speaker 2: a coconut cake doesn't affect him. Like it's also about
Speaker 2: what you sacrifice when you do something nice, right, So
Speaker 2: it's like buying pizzas for everyone on crew doesn't affect him.
Speaker 2: He also sends Coda Fanning a pair of shoes every
Speaker 2: year for her birthday. I saw that on an Instagram.
Speaker 2: They worked on something together.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm like trying to think and he sends her shoes, right,
Speaker 1: did she play his kid?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I know she's worked with Denzel, but
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: She said it's Tom Cruise that he finds out her
Speaker 1: size and like get her nice ass shoes.
Speaker 3: They're in war of the World's war. That's it. Thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you. Yep, it's a woman, it's a woman's worth.
Speaker 3: So I don't think I.
Speaker 1: Women's Where Daily picked it up right away in their
Speaker 1: footwear news section. They're like, hold up, but somebody was saying, well,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen Magnolia? And I go no, I've
Speaker 1: never seen Magnolia. That's a blind spot for me. I
Speaker 1: really need to see that movie.
Speaker 2: Well, I bought it for four ninety nine because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna watch it again because I didn't care for it,
Speaker 2: but I like but I do think it's like one
Speaker 2: of Tom Crus's best performances.
Speaker 3: Okay, like he is really good in it. It's weird.
Speaker 3: I have to give it another watch. Casey, I would say,
Speaker 3: it's the movie that changed my life single handedly.
Speaker 1: I went to film school after I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to After I watched that movie, I was like.
Speaker 3: I want to go to film school and move to California.
Speaker 3: So I love me. I got a wow because I
Speaker 3: like Hidings. Well. The reason I watched it.
Speaker 2: Kate Berlant did an interview about gift giving, and I
Speaker 2: guess in high school her friend gave her a prop
Speaker 2: from the movie One of the Frogs.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, and.
Speaker 2: So she has it authenticated and it's this like great
Speaker 2: gift And I've just been on a Kate Berlant kick lately,
Speaker 2: I would say. And so I went to watch Magnolia
Speaker 2: because of it, and I have to I have to
Speaker 2: watch it again because it's phil Seymour Hoffmann.
Speaker 1: It's it's fun, but it was tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should watch it on the big screen. I watched
Speaker 1: it on my laptop and I was playing Tetras, so
Speaker 1: it's like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: There's like all these photos of him and Dakota together
Speaker 1: doing press for War of the World. Okay, anyway, that
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do Pop Today, Season twelve, episode eleven.
Speaker 3: No recollection of this.
Speaker 2: Like I knew Drea Matteo is in this episode, so
Speaker 2: when I sawry, I go, oh this one, But then
Speaker 2: I went why don't I know this at all.
Speaker 1: Absolutely knew there was an episode of this, have seen it.
Speaker 1: I have seen Drea to Matteo. I've always known that
Speaker 1: she was a guest, but totally was like, how's it
Speaker 1: gonna end?
Speaker 3: Like I really did, Like I love that, I love
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: Not remembering, and I have a lot of thoughts, but
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's start, okay.
Speaker 3: So this episode comes out in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: We're going back to twenty eleven, and I always think
Speaker 1: of season twelve, as you know, the final Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler together season.
Speaker 3: So these are there.
Speaker 1: These are sort of their final moments together, the last
Speaker 1: few episodes of them together. They don't know it at
Speaker 1: the time. So we open on a guy making balloon animals,
Speaker 1: a carousel, carnival music, smiling children. So this is going
Speaker 1: nowhere good because we're watching S FORU. And then this
Speaker 1: guy is ushering all these kids off the marry go
Speaker 1: round and he sees this one kid on the bench
Speaker 1: he's on like one of those This is what Oscar
Speaker 1: likes to ride when he goes on the carousel. He
Speaker 1: likes to be in the bench where he sits down.
Speaker 1: And I always have to go with him, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is can we not go on the park that
Speaker 1: goes up and down?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: He wants the bench that looks like a peacock that's
Speaker 1: his thing.
Speaker 3: And this kid's lying on it.
Speaker 1: And the guy goes, yeah, man, faking sleep's not going
Speaker 1: to get you a free ride. He sees this like
Speaker 1: nine ten year old kid like asleep, and he nudges
Speaker 1: the kid and the kid falls right over and the
Speaker 1: guy's like, someone call nine one one.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Ben's and his stabler are on the scene getting the scoop.
Speaker 1: No parents, no id, no one's reported a kid missing
Speaker 1: in the area. Melinda's like, the kid's body temp is
Speaker 1: down two degrees and Stabler goes, so he's been dead
Speaker 1: a little over an hour.
Speaker 3: And Milinda's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, go off, I guess you know some information about
Speaker 1: forensics now, baby, And he's like, yeah, I wish I
Speaker 1: wasn't so good at that, but I have been finding
Speaker 1: dead kids for eleven years now. So we also know
Speaker 1: that this kid is dead now that we're hearing about
Speaker 1: the body temperature. Like I didn't know at the beginning,
Speaker 1: it wasn't very clear that he was totally dead, but
Speaker 1: the kid is dead. He's in clean clothes, he's got
Speaker 1: new shoes. Maybe he's a runaway because when she lifts
Speaker 1: up his shirt, he's got bruises all over his torso
Speaker 1: that are healing. Some could be as old as two weeks.
Speaker 1: They could be as recent as eighteen hours. She doesn't
Speaker 1: really know. And Stabler's like, the only thing we do know.
Speaker 1: Someone beat the hell out of this kid. And then
Speaker 1: they do a close up on the cold dead body
Speaker 1: of a kid who looks like he's nine. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: and then we're at the credits, so now we're downloading
Speaker 1: Daddy Craigan. The kid was on the carousel for an
Speaker 1: hour before the guy noticed, So I guess falling asleep
Speaker 1: isn't really the tact to getting a free ride. It's
Speaker 1: just existing. Because this guy doesn't notice anything. It was crowded,
Speaker 1: he said, he didn't check. The kid must have snuck on.
Speaker 1: Elliott's going through you know CCTV footage or you know
Speaker 1: security footage. And Benson's like, I gotta go. I've got
Speaker 1: to find the missing witness on them marine trial. And
Speaker 1: I wonder what was up because they don't usually dismiss
Speaker 1: Benson for a full day unless she's like pregnant or
Speaker 1: doing the VMA's or something like that. You know, like
Speaker 1: we I don't know why she would just be like, bye,
Speaker 1: I gotta go for the day and not be in
Speaker 1: this episode of this show that I'm the star of.
Speaker 3: But she ain't. She ain't here for much of the episode.
Speaker 3: She comes back a little at the end.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Stabler shows up with footage of the kid
Speaker 1: getting out of a cab, So let's find this cab
Speaker 1: the cab. Finn and Stabler go talk to the cab driver.
Speaker 1: They show him the pick the picture of the kid
Speaker 1: getting out, and dunt done. He's like, that's my nephew Ethan.
Speaker 1: So now we're at Melinda's house and she's giving the
Speaker 1: cops the cause of death tension pneumothorax, which like she
Speaker 1: describes as a basically a broken rib that punctured his lungs.
Speaker 1: Stabler thinks someone beat this kid and caused his bet
Speaker 1: death and Melinda's like, no, but it could have been
Speaker 1: an accident. I have to rule it inconclusive. So that's
Speaker 1: we've talked about that before on the podcast. It can
Speaker 1: either it's like it's not not either way, making a
Speaker 1: determination it's inconclusive. So next we have the sad pull
Speaker 1: the sheet back moment where the cab driver and his
Speaker 1: sister are iding the body.
Speaker 3: It's awful.
Speaker 1: The mom is devastated, she's crying and don't worry, there's
Speaker 1: more sadness to come. Ethan's father was a nine to
Speaker 1: eleven like first responder and died from inhaling toxic dust.
Speaker 3: So he's gone.
Speaker 1: And Joe was his brother is his brother, and he's
Speaker 1: the cab driver and he's been like filling in in
Speaker 1: a dad role. And Ethan wasn't feeling good that day,
Speaker 1: so he kept him home from school because he had
Speaker 1: a stomach ache.
Speaker 3: But they're like, but.
Speaker 1: Why did you drop him off in your cab at
Speaker 1: a playground or at a park and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: he said he was feeling better and he asked me
Speaker 1: if he could go to a birthday party.
Speaker 3: Did he make it to the birthday party?
Speaker 1: There's no birthday party there where They were like, hey,
Speaker 1: Ethan was a guest here and now he's dead, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a hole that never gets closed up.
Speaker 1: So when they tell the mom about the broken rib,
Speaker 1: she suddenly knows exactly who did it. She goes, it's
Speaker 1: that kid, that kid at school, Blake Murphy. He gave
Speaker 1: Ethan a black eye two weeks before. So now we're
Speaker 1: at Blake's house and this mom is hashtag boy momming
Speaker 1: as hard as she fucking can. She's like, oh, the
Speaker 1: school made such a federal case out of nothing. And
Speaker 1: then she goes, Blake, get your heinie out here, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard heine in a long time. And she's
Speaker 1: annoyed that Blake got suspended for assaulting a teacher because
Speaker 1: she had to stay home with him for a week
Speaker 1: and miss work. And then they stopped this kid from
Speaker 1: playing video games and he's like, no, Ethan was the
Speaker 1: one hitting me. He kept telling Blake how he was
Speaker 1: learning to fight so he could kick his ass, and
Speaker 1: they were like, well, who was teaching him to fight?
Speaker 1: And he goes, he said his uncle, Joe was teaching him.
Speaker 1: So uh oh, let's go back around to this uncle
Speaker 1: at the cab company. The boss shows them the GPS
Speaker 1: where Joe is and he's an inwood Hill Park, which
Speaker 1: is like up in the Bronx and no, he's Stabler's like, no,
Speaker 1: one's going to take a cab from there, and the
Speaker 1: boss is pissed. He's like, this guy's gonna lose his job.
Speaker 1: He hasn't moved in a half an hour. So Finn
Speaker 1: and Stabler pull up to this park. It's dark. They
Speaker 1: see Joe and his cab. He's making some kind of
Speaker 1: extremely obvious deal that they can see everything in the
Speaker 1: darkness of him, you know, handing someone a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Stabler and Finn start moving through the woods, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of just like a few branches, like they're not actually,
Speaker 1: it's not like a thicket. It's just them moving a
Speaker 1: couple of branches out of the way. And then they
Speaker 1: stumble upon this group of guys and they're watching two
Speaker 1: others fight. They break it up and really quickly find
Speaker 1: out that done done done. It's a fight club, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no one's getting hurt here, we're doing this
Speaker 1: for fun.
Speaker 3: So now we will.
Speaker 2: Obviously get into it with the crimes. But what is
Speaker 2: your relationship with the movie Fight Club?
Speaker 1: I mean, my relationship with the movie Flight Club is
Speaker 1: that I watched it when it came out, but not
Speaker 1: in the theater, in a dorm room with my friends,
Speaker 1: and we thought it was a cinematic masterpiece, like we
Speaker 1: had never seen anything better, Like we loved it so much,
Speaker 1: we love the music, we love the movie. Like I
Speaker 1: know now it's a bit of a it feels like
Speaker 1: it's like an edge Lord's anthem type.
Speaker 2: Well, because they've misunderstood it. Yes, it's a satire that
Speaker 2: they missed. It's like the like so many things. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like the Wall Street guys being into American psycho
Speaker 2: and it's like yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 2: not what it's not aspirational.
Speaker 3: We're making fun of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say, because I was an
Speaker 2: Edward Norton head. Yes, at this movie was everything to me,
Speaker 2: and it made me start reading Chuck Pollonic books. And
Speaker 2: I've read almost every single one of his books up
Speaker 2: to Haunted. I owned them all multiple times, hardcovers. I
Speaker 2: joined his Chuck Polani's fan club. I was in I'm
Speaker 2: a sticker from the fan club on my mirror still
Speaker 2: from my childhood bedroom, and I had a movie sized
Speaker 2: poster in.
Speaker 1: My college door room off club soap. Yeah, No, it
Speaker 1: was that. I think it was the two of them.
Speaker 1: I feel like I wouldn't have gotten it without their faces.
Speaker 3: And well, no, it's like the one where brad Pitt's
Speaker 3: holding the box.
Speaker 1: It's like coming it right. I love Helena Bonham Carter,
Speaker 1: I love Edward Norton. I've or expressed my at the
Speaker 1: time adoration for brad Pitt, like so I was just
Speaker 1: like all about it. I like loved that movie. I
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool and like and well, sure
Speaker 1: is so cool.
Speaker 2: And I guess it didn't do well in the box
Speaker 2: office and it was panned. It's in the in the DVDs.
Speaker 2: Is when it came to like everyone was like, this
Speaker 2: is trash. Rosy O'Donnell I remember ruined it for me
Speaker 2: on her show. She revealed the end oh wow before
Speaker 2: I even saw it. But I was young enough that
Speaker 2: didn't bother me or something like that, Like but I
Speaker 2: remember her being like, what the fuck? And one of
Speaker 2: the articles I read for the crime talked about Rose A.
Speaker 3: Donald doing it.
Speaker 1: It was at a time where like a kind of
Speaker 1: a twist was like, so a big twist at the end,
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, isn't it around the same time
Speaker 1: as like I see dead people and that like you know.
Speaker 2: How shit, Yeah, And that's what Rosie was saying. She goes,
Speaker 2: well that the sixth sense was better because here he
Speaker 2: gave him a business card, and I get the sentiment
Speaker 2: of like, you shouldn't have a physical card and hand
Speaker 2: it over if you're a figment of someone's imagination or something.
Speaker 2: But like Bitch has barely been out, like you can't
Speaker 2: say that, but it sold sixteen million DVDs.
Speaker 3: Wow, And that's how I watched it. I watched it
Speaker 3: on DVD and.
Speaker 2: Fincher, I guess these are just facts that won't be
Speaker 2: in the crime. But I learned from reading all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It was Edward Norton looked like the most ordinary actor
Speaker 2: he'd ever seen, and he fought to have him. And
Speaker 2: then they also talked about how Brad Pitch just like
Speaker 2: set the bar for like six pack was invented after
Speaker 2: that movie, like that he set the bar for action stars.
Speaker 2: Like his body in that movie is like it's pretty
Speaker 2: nuts wild. Yeah, No, I I loved it.
Speaker 3: Seems were crazy movie.
Speaker 1: It was just dark and bad and like meat Loaf
Speaker 1: has tits and you're like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: What's this penguin? Like I just it really blew was
Speaker 3: Robert Paulson right? Is that? Yeah? Like there's so much
Speaker 3: from it. Like that's the thing. I don't really feel
Speaker 3: like I've rewatched it.
Speaker 1: I've maybe caught it again like a piece of it,
Speaker 1: but I don't really feel like I've rewatched it a ton.
Speaker 3: I think I've seen it more than once, but.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I watched it once every year or two,
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, it's a it's it was. It's
Speaker 1: a good one. But that's interesting how it's been kind
Speaker 1: of like bastardized by a different culture of guys. But
Speaker 1: the that's the end of Act one. Though of this
Speaker 1: episode is we're finding out that this is a fucking
Speaker 1: fight club and it's twenty eleven. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's like a time Liza is gonna get into it,
Speaker 1: but apparently people are fight clubbing.
Speaker 2: So in wood reun also is this thing of like
Speaker 2: is it like a Marilyn Manson video games are disrupting
Speaker 2: the youth or like is it a blame or is
Speaker 2: it a.
Speaker 3: Thing that right some people do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at the top of act two, we're in
Speaker 1: Woodroom Blinds. One of the kids from the fight is
Speaker 1: Nicki Roberts. Stabler goes to talk to him, asks about
Speaker 1: his fight with this kid Anthony, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: tonight was our first fight. I never knew him before, Like,
Speaker 1: and uh, how did this come to be? He goes
Speaker 1: Pop set it up and they're like, who's Pop and
Speaker 1: he's like his dad hank uh And they're like, he
Speaker 1: looks kind of young to be your dad, like cause
Speaker 1: you're thirteen or something. And he's like, oh, he married
Speaker 1: my mom five years ago. He adopted me and said
Speaker 1: I have to call him Pop, which is wild I
Speaker 1: And it's one of these double, these clever nicknames of
Speaker 1: these shows, Like I always think of it as pop,
Speaker 1: like poping someone in the face, you know, and but
Speaker 1: it's also what he has to call his stepdad. So
Speaker 1: just as Stabler is asking, well does your stepdad make
Speaker 1: you fight? In walks the mom and it's Drea de Matteo.
Speaker 1: As we've mentioned of Soprano's fame, she has gone a
Speaker 1: little bit off the deep end. I feel like I
Speaker 1: saw her on a podcast recently talking about chemtrail.
Speaker 3: Casey's nodding, I don't know what a Kim trail is.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why we didn't try to get
Speaker 1: her for the pod, because I actually know somebody who
Speaker 1: kind of knows her, And I feel like I could
Speaker 1: have tried, and I was like, no, we can't. She's
Speaker 1: like maga, She's like KEM trail, Like, keem trails are
Speaker 1: like kem trails are like do you ever look up
Speaker 1: in the sky and just see like a white like
Speaker 1: like not a cloud, but like a white plume going
Speaker 1: across the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People think that's chemicals being distributed onto our crops, into
Speaker 1: our water supply to control us to do this and that,
Speaker 1: like there's a whole conspiracy about chemtrails.
Speaker 3: And I saw her.
Speaker 1: She went on the podcast of Jamie Lin Sigler and
Speaker 1: whoever plays the brother on the Sopranos.
Speaker 3: They have a podcast. Yeah I like it, right, Why
Speaker 3: one of the clips but I like that?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I saw one of the clips and she's
Speaker 1: on and she's talking to them about how she's done
Speaker 1: her own research about kemtrails and she's like, I started
Speaker 1: to notice that the snow tasted differently, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you're eating the snow. She goes, yeah, I gotta find
Speaker 1: out what's going on. She was talking about like tasting
Speaker 1: snow pre and post chemtrail and Jamie and Jamie Lynn
Speaker 1: and the host were just like uh huh yeah, Like
Speaker 1: they were just kind of like, well, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: like call you out for being kogub bananas right here,
Speaker 1: but like she's got some pretty fringe ideas.
Speaker 3: I'll say that.
Speaker 1: Uh so, I know, disappointing, but she's was at a
Speaker 1: time at this time was quite famous for the Sopranos,
Speaker 1: and this is like a big guest star for her.
Speaker 1: And uh she's she comes barging into the room. Her
Speaker 1: name is Sandra, and she's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear shit from you. Like she doesn't even really like
Speaker 1: talk Tostable, doesn't even let him talk, and she's like, Nikki,
Speaker 1: let's go. And Stabler's like, excuse me, I'm not done
Speaker 1: with him, and she's a pushy broad like she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm taking my son and my husband and we're getting
Speaker 1: out of here. And the kid looks back at Stabler
Speaker 1: as his mom drags him away, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those looks, one of those looks that hauntspent
Speaker 1: and is Stabler when a kid is like, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna help me, like and so Stabler sees the other
Speaker 1: kid from the fight walking away. Ed is like so
Speaker 1: he's just walking and Hardwick's like, well it's his first defense,
Speaker 1: so it's a desk ticket, bye bye, and Stabler's pissed.
Speaker 1: She He's like, these guys are forcing their kids to
Speaker 1: fight and they're betting on it. And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: the boy didn't say he was forced, so it seems
Speaker 1: like it's just for sport. And they're like, well, what
Speaker 1: about the dead kid Ethan And she's like, hold on,
Speaker 1: dead kid, Like what does that have to do with this?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, we saw his uncle Joe paying
Speaker 1: off Nicki steppedad Hank and it's probably because Ethan lost
Speaker 1: to Nicki in a fight, and Finn's like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: there definitely was a fight, but we just have to
Speaker 1: prove it. So in the cement room bars we've got
Speaker 1: Hank Roberts and he gives Stabler this like sort of cocky,
Speaker 1: half assed apology like, sorry, officer, we didn't know we
Speaker 1: were doing anything wrong. And they're like, well, you were
Speaker 1: promoting gambling, so you're gonna get a ticket for that,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, but you know I could of
Speaker 1: Like I could have you could have get let me
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 3: A while ago with the ticket. What's going on?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, let's talk about that. You know,
Speaker 1: fat stack of cash. We saw Joe handing you and
Speaker 1: he goes, what do you want? Like it was alone,
Speaker 1: he needed he needed a car repair. I gave him
Speaker 1: a loan and Stabler's not buying and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: Joe's next door talking, so we're obviously doing a back
Speaker 1: and forth cut next door to where Finn is putting
Speaker 1: the fear of God in Joe the uncle, being like,
Speaker 1: you know you're good for the murder of your fucking
Speaker 1: nephew right now, you little shit, And Joe's like denying everything,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like turning up the heat. He's like, you're
Speaker 1: a pimp making a couple bucks watching your nephew get
Speaker 1: beat to death, scumbag, like you probably bet against your
Speaker 1: own nephew. And then Joe pipes up and goes, no,
Speaker 1: that's against the rules. And then it's like you just
Speaker 1: told on yourself, bro, Like now we know that this
Speaker 1: is some kind of actual organized fucking thing, where what rules?
Speaker 3: Finn wants to know.
Speaker 1: Back to Stabler, pushing Hank for more details about this
Speaker 1: kiddy fight club, and he goes, so you just let
Speaker 1: your steps on beat kids up while you pocket the cash,
Speaker 1: and Hank's like, I got a right to remain silent.
Speaker 3: And then Stabler's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I got dirt on you, like and
Speaker 1: he pulls out his rap sheet. He's got three nine
Speaker 1: one one calls for domestic violence and he's like, neighbors
Speaker 1: made those calls.
Speaker 3: I was never arrested, as if that's.
Speaker 1: Like a badge of honor, Like, yeah, I got away
Speaker 1: with it three times, and Stabler's like, oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know where to punch so no marks are left.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I noticed that you're ten years younger than your wife.
Speaker 1: She probably thought she got so lucky with you until
Speaker 1: you started smacking her around. You hit Nikki too, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I love my son, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: well then why are you hooring him out as a
Speaker 1: punching bag. And Stabler is really taunting this guy, and
Speaker 1: then finally Hank stands up and they're doing their little
Speaker 1: like dance that they do where they move in a
Speaker 1: circle and they kind of look like they're about to kiss,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like this close talking thing that Stable
Speaker 1: does with everybody, and he's like, what kind of man
Speaker 1: does that? And he's like, why don't you take off
Speaker 1: your gun and I'll show you. So this guy Hank
Speaker 1: wants to fucking square up with Stabler, and Stabler's big.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you think you can just fucking
Speaker 1: take Stabler and Stable.
Speaker 3: He's pretty outwardly muscular.
Speaker 1: There's like, right, it's not like, oh, man, underneath that
Speaker 1: big sweatshirt, I didn't know it. He wears these like
Speaker 1: little dress shirts that are he's busting out of them.
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen the butt too. Come on, he's
Speaker 3: doing squats.
Speaker 1: So Stabler slams him up against the wall in a
Speaker 1: choke hold, and he's like, I don't have my gun
Speaker 1: on me, but I've been looking for an excuse to
Speaker 1: manhandle your ass. So Craigan walks in to get Stabler
Speaker 1: to drop the guy. We've always got, Craigan. They always
Speaker 1: have to have somebody watching Stable. Do you think Stabler's
Speaker 1: ever done an unsupervised thing, because he'll he'll kill somebody
Speaker 1: if you don't look out for him. And then Hardwick
Speaker 1: is like, you're just gonna like rough that guy up
Speaker 1: right in front of me. You just like bait him.
Speaker 1: And then choke him out, like what the fuck? And
Speaker 1: in the next room, Uncle Joe is spilling. He's like,
Speaker 1: Hank never told me that Nicky was so much bigger
Speaker 1: than Ethan. Like this idiot, this uncle cab driver is
Speaker 1: just like I thought it was just gonna be two
Speaker 1: little kids hitting each other. I didn't realize how big
Speaker 1: this kid was. And to be fair, this kid Nicki
Speaker 1: is like, not to sound girl, he's like a jacked
Speaker 1: thirt ten year old, Like he's very strong, Like he's
Speaker 1: very very muscly, and the other kid that they found
Speaker 1: on the carousel looks little like so this was not
Speaker 1: a fair fight. And he's like I tried to stop
Speaker 1: the fight, but Hank held me back. By the time
Speaker 1: I broke free, Ethan was on the ground. I didn't
Speaker 1: mean for him to get hurt. And it's like you didn't.
Speaker 1: Also didn't bring him to a hospital either, did you. Like,
Speaker 1: you didn't bring him to get any medical attention. You
Speaker 1: just took him home and let him stay home from
Speaker 1: school with a stomach ache. Hardwick is like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: tell Joe, we're going to charge him for criminally negligent homicide.
Speaker 1: And what about Hank Stabler wants to know. Well, Hank
Speaker 1: can't be charged on the word of a co conspirator.
Speaker 1: We have to find another witness who saw the fight.
Speaker 1: So and Joe's an idiot. He should have just given
Speaker 1: He should have angled for a deal and said, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you everything if I get immunity, and this guy,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything about Hank because he's the fucking ringleader.
Speaker 1: It seems like, so Stabler's pissed. We're just giving Hank
Speaker 1: free reign to beat his wife and son. So now
Speaker 1: Stabler's at the desk with the whole family, Hank, Sandra,
Speaker 1: and Nicki, and he's writing out the desk ticket and
Speaker 1: he goes to leave with Sandra and Nicki, and Stabler
Speaker 1: goes Nicky and she's like, get away from my son.
Speaker 1: But Stable just gives him like a handshake and was like,
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. But he's obviously slipping him a
Speaker 1: card as they love to do. As if I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess there's nine one one, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: it is a good idea. The card is a good
Speaker 1: idea because you know, Olivia gets people close to her
Speaker 1: and then it's like, here's my number, call me day
Speaker 1: or night.
Speaker 3: It's smart. Craigan like knows his boy.
Speaker 1: He's like, you better not, Stabler, stay away from that kid.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, no, I'm going home. And it's like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you're like allergic to your home, you're not going to
Speaker 1: your home. And but at home, he does go home
Speaker 1: and he's sitting on his bed and he's just Eli
Speaker 1: is lying there awake, second on a pacifier, and they're
Speaker 1: just staring at each other, like it's not like he's
Speaker 1: watching a sleeping child.
Speaker 3: Eli's like, what are you looking at? Dad?
Speaker 1: And Stabler's just like intense. That definitely had to affect Eli, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, I just have memories being like two three
Speaker 1: of waking up and my dad just intense's staring at
Speaker 1: me while I'm sitting on the edge of my bed
Speaker 1: because he had to see so much horror every day.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously this is one of those moments
Speaker 1: where we've got a show that Stabler has a personal
Speaker 1: connection because he also has children, and what kind of
Speaker 1: person would fucking put their kid into a fight club
Speaker 1: and hurt them for money. The next day, we're at
Speaker 1: ed Koch Middle School and Stabler sees Nicki walking into school,
Speaker 1: chases him down.
Speaker 3: When he grows to grab his arm.
Speaker 1: Nicki winces and he's like, I fell, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: come on, and he goes, you can't let your dad
Speaker 1: get away with this. Sometimes if you talk to us
Speaker 1: like words can do more than a punch. Sometimes Nicki
Speaker 1: opens up. He goes, Hank punched me in the chest
Speaker 1: when he found your business card on me. So Stabler
Speaker 1: drives Nicki home and when he gets there, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's going on. There's like a cop car outside the
Speaker 1: house and the mom is outside, and who gets out
Speaker 1: of the car ed Tucker. IAB still not on our
Speaker 1: good side at this point season twelve, we don't like
Speaker 1: Tucker quite yet. He hasn't started He hasn't started actually
Speaker 1: being helpful to the YPD, and he also hasn't started
Speaker 1: dating Benson. So Sandra is like, that's him. I saw him.
Speaker 1: I saw him do it. He beat my husband. And
Speaker 1: Stabler's like she's lying, and then Tucker goes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I believe them. Hank gets out of the car. He's
Speaker 1: got blood. All his nose is totally bloodied. It's dripping
Speaker 1: down his whole face like he's been beat the fuck
Speaker 1: out of So this guy's trying to pull some shit
Speaker 1: though on the wrong dude, Like, we're not going we
Speaker 1: are absolutely not in the business of getting Stabler busted
Speaker 1: for punches he didn't throw, because let's be real, his
Speaker 1: jacket is filled with punches he did throw. So in
Speaker 1: interrogation with Tucker, Sabler's like, look, I love to punch people,
Speaker 1: but I am not dumb enough to punch someone in
Speaker 1: broad daylight in front of their own house, Like like,
Speaker 1: look at me.
Speaker 3: It's season twelve. Come on, I'm not that stupid.
Speaker 1: And Hank is giving Kragan this sob story about how
Speaker 1: Sailor had a short fuse and attacked him. And I
Speaker 1: was just watching Nicky walk to school and then Stabler
Speaker 1: just jumped me from behind, like he got me down
Speaker 1: on the ground. I saw it with him a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, he molested me, he touched me, he
Speaker 1: fought me. You know that happens to him a lot.
Speaker 3: It does, It really does.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I feel like mostly people are
Speaker 1: pretty scared to like do anything against the cops because
Speaker 1: they have all the power, and like people see this
Speaker 1: massive guy and they're like, I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: level of false accusation against this guy, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen to Benson, right, Benson's not gotten accused of. She's
Speaker 1: been framed, but she's not gotten accused of like Mishandling
Speaker 1: a witness. I think they can tell he's a hot
Speaker 1: head and they will try to.
Speaker 3: Use it, right, Yeah, I just want it now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to figure out because I feel
Speaker 1: like it has happened to Benson. But where someone said
Speaker 1: you touched me not yeah, you're right, it's framing or
Speaker 1: like she's taking a kid or yeah, yeah, like she
Speaker 1: definitely got framed, but yeah the biker so yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: and then now Dreanda Matteo, Okay, Sandra's talking to Finn,
Speaker 1: going yes, Stabler said that he was going to teach
Speaker 1: Hank a lesson for disrespecting him and then kicked him
Speaker 1: in the face, and Finn's like, you saw all this
Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, I don't got eyes. Like she's
Speaker 1: very she's very sopranos the whole time.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Stabler tells Tucker they're just saying this as revenge for
Speaker 1: me breaking up their little fight club, and Tucker is
Speaker 1: as usual antagonizing Stabler and being like, yeah, seems like
Speaker 1: this whole family's in pain. When you're around and outside
Speaker 1: the room, Sandra and Nicki are fighting, so everybody goes
Speaker 1: to like check it out, and Sandra Nicky's like, she's
Speaker 1: trying to get me to lie and to say that
Speaker 1: Stabler hit me and that I saw Stabler hit Hank.
Speaker 3: And Nicky is over this shit.
Speaker 1: He's like and Sandra's like, come on, Niki, like, without
Speaker 1: Hank will be out on the street. She's like really
Speaker 1: trying to get him to lie, and he goes, that's
Speaker 1: what you said about the other guys too. At least
Speaker 1: they didn't beat you up like Hank does. She looks
Speaker 1: around at Sabler and everyone is watching this go down,
Speaker 1: and she goes, well, I look like somebody punched me.
Speaker 1: And this is where Nicky lifts up his shirt to
Speaker 1: show this huge bruise on his chest and goes, what
Speaker 1: do I look like?
Speaker 6: Mom?
Speaker 1: And this is where you do see that he is
Speaker 1: quite a jacked thirteen year old. So Stabler didn't do
Speaker 1: this to me, he goes, Hank did my loving pop?
Speaker 1: And Sandra's like, oh, baby, say it ain't so I
Speaker 1: mean She's doing quite an act too. She's trying to
Speaker 1: act like she doesn't know that the abuse is going on.
Speaker 1: She's like, say it ain't so, and Hank's like, no
Speaker 1: way tell him, Nicky. And then Stabler pipes in and goes,
Speaker 1: NICKI did say his dad hit him last night, and
Speaker 1: Nicki adds, and he made her hit him last night
Speaker 1: to frame Stabler. So the injury that Hank has on
Speaker 1: his face is from Sandra. And Stabler looks at Tucker
Speaker 1: and then goes to arrest Hank. So it's like, look,
Speaker 1: you gotta like you really didn't have any business being here.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out. We don't see Tucker again.
Speaker 1: In wood Room Blinds, Nicky is gabbing with Stabler, going,
Speaker 1: I never told my mom about the abuse because she
Speaker 1: works late and I didn't want her to worry. So
Speaker 1: in this case, now we are to believe that she
Speaker 1: doesn't know about the abuse as far as we know. Here,
Speaker 1: when did the fighting start last year? He said he
Speaker 1: Picnicky up from school and took him to the park
Speaker 1: and then just threw him in with another kid and
Speaker 1: told him to just start fighting on the grass.
Speaker 3: And he goes, well, what did you do?
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I knocked the kid out, but I
Speaker 1: thought I killed him until I saw him start to move,
Speaker 1: and he's like, and what does your dad do? He goes, oh,
Speaker 1: Pop was smiling, said he was proud. Oh, and then
Speaker 1: he goes, whenever I lose, Pop says, it's my fault
Speaker 1: that we can't pay our bills.
Speaker 3: So this is like fucked up.
Speaker 1: This guy is fully just making money off of this
Speaker 1: and then blaming the kid when he doesn't do well
Speaker 1: in a fight. He goes, one time I lost because
Speaker 1: I had a hurt shoulder, and when I got home,
Speaker 1: he just kept punching me over and over in the
Speaker 1: bad shoulder freak awful, like a masochist psycho. Sabler's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about Ethan Gilbert and Nikki's upset.
Speaker 1: He's shaking his head. He goes, he was a little kid.
Speaker 1: I told Hank it wasn't fair. I punched him light
Speaker 1: at first, and then Hank said, if you don't knock
Speaker 1: him out, you'll get it worse. And Hank is yelling
Speaker 1: break his nose him in the eye, like sick fuck,
Speaker 1: and Nicki said Ethan started puking, and Pop shouted at him,
Speaker 1: knock him out, and he goes and I started pounding
Speaker 1: him and it felt good and he didn't know why,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't stop. And then he went down and
Speaker 1: he didn't get up, and then he's crying and he's
Speaker 1: he's saying, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that he died,
Speaker 1: and he's like, this kid is like fucking traumatized. So
Speaker 1: Craigan instance, he give you the vibe of the cool
Speaker 1: older kid of in Sandlot Or am I delusional?
Speaker 3: The boy Nikki doesn't know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who actually eventually becomes up an MLB
Speaker 1: baseball player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like they have the same kind of yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I swag, yeah coolness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one's more abused than the other, of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If this kid wasn't totally traumatized, I bet he'd be
Speaker 1: a star athlete. He's very very strong, as I've said
Speaker 1: many times, and he's just like just got this fucking
Speaker 1: awful stepfather.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm not paying attention, or we we we met Joe?
Speaker 3: What the guy who plays Joe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, he's the he's the powerful lifeguard.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. Yeah, he's the only one.
Speaker 1: I didn't look him up because I go, I don't
Speaker 1: recognize that guy. That's why I was like, wait, was
Speaker 1: I like, did I? She must mention Banello. He's the
Speaker 1: fucking gird.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It just goes to show you how much a mustache
Speaker 1: can do, because that mustache well and a decade, yeah,
Speaker 1: eleven years in a mustache will really put it.
Speaker 3: That's a good that's a good disguise.
Speaker 1: I did not clock that he's Paul Greco from the
Speaker 1: episode Breakwater, the most powerful lifeguard in New York.
Speaker 3: And yes, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I didn't catch it while watching it, though
Speaker 1: I just got it. I didn't catch it because I
Speaker 1: was thinking of the Sandlot thing, and so I looked
Speaker 1: it up and then I went, wait, excuse, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Wow, another another IMDb connection put together.
Speaker 1: I love it so much, Oh my god. So well,
Speaker 1: that's the last time we see Joe, and still he
Speaker 1: comes back eleven years later as.
Speaker 3: A very powerful lifeguard.
Speaker 1: But Craigan and Sandra are watching Nicky's whole confession, him
Speaker 1: crying about Ethan. They're watching it all go down from
Speaker 1: the other side of the fish bowl glass and Craigan's like, well,
Speaker 1: what happened to Nicky's like, bio dad and she's sniffling, Oh,
Speaker 1: Nicky's dad took off when he was two, And did
Speaker 1: you know about Hank abusing Nicki? And she goes, he
Speaker 1: always said sorry, and it's like, so before you were
Speaker 1: acting like you didn't know, and the brother was also
Speaker 1: the son was also saying that you didn't know. But
Speaker 1: now she's like, no, I knew, but like and that
Speaker 1: then yeah, he says sorry until the next time he
Speaker 1: hits you hit and he hits your son, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: Hank got laid off two years ago. All he could
Speaker 1: find was a job driving a cab. He hates it.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. And Craigan's like yeah, but babe,
Speaker 1: that doesn't give him the right to like beat you
Speaker 1: or Nicky and she's like, no, he loves Nikki. He
Speaker 1: adopted him, Like why else would he adopt it. It's
Speaker 1: like yeah, because it's like way easier to abuse him
Speaker 1: if he is his.
Speaker 3: Like legal father. And he's like, he loves me.
Speaker 1: He tells me all the time that he loves me,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes they all say that every last one
Speaker 1: of them. Craigan goes press charges and will get him
Speaker 1: out of your and Nicky's lives, and she drops a
Speaker 1: little bomb, I'm having his baby.
Speaker 3: I need him.
Speaker 1: So she's pregnant with the abuser's baby, and Craigan's like, well,
Speaker 1: you need to get rid of him before he kills
Speaker 1: one of you, and she goes, I already lost one
Speaker 1: family when Nicky's father left.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to break up this family too.
Speaker 1: And that's it's just like the craziest I understand like
Speaker 1: that the domestic violence like has so many circumstances and stuff,
Speaker 1: but like your first guy left eleven years ago, this
Speaker 1: guy is beating the shit out of you. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what the connection is, but keeping together the
Speaker 1: happy family, know is a thing that people think about
Speaker 1: when they don't leave. One of the reasons people don't leave.
Speaker 1: But it's frustrating to see from the outside. Of course,
Speaker 1: at arraignment, Hank is up and who's there but our Queen,
Speaker 1: Judge Louise Lewis Lewis Lewis, Louis Slowis Preston and she's
Speaker 1: on the stand and this guy pleads not guilty. His
Speaker 1: lawyer looks like a fucking blonde dork and he's like
Speaker 1: Hardwick's like, I want remand for this wife beater, and
Speaker 1: the lawyer's like, actually, he has very strong ties.
Speaker 3: To the community.
Speaker 1: It's like he's a scumbag, Like he's got three DV calls?
Speaker 3: How is does he have strong ties to the community?
Speaker 3: Like how is this not?
Speaker 1: I guess no arrests And that's the problem. It's like,
Speaker 1: no arrests means it's not like technically on the record.
Speaker 1: So so Judge Lois gives him fifty k cash only
Speaker 1: is the bail with an order of protection to have
Speaker 1: and she grants it so he cannot go within two
Speaker 1: hundred feet of his wife or steps on And those
Speaker 1: really work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they work. We've never seen them not work.
Speaker 1: It's basically putting a layer of glass around your victims.
Speaker 1: And he's like, so where am I gonna stay? And
Speaker 1: they're like Riker's Island if you fuck this up. So
Speaker 1: as they're taking him away, Sandra's like, we'll get the money, baby,
Speaker 1: and he goes, no broad in a black robe is
Speaker 1: gonna keep me from what's mine? And Stabler's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if she doesn't, I will, and she tells Sabler. The wife,
Speaker 1: Sandra tells Stabler, I don't need the restraining order. Hank
Speaker 1: would never hurt us, Like what are He's literally like
Speaker 1: hurting you all the time. And it's like you could
Speaker 1: just say, you could literally go he loves us, he's
Speaker 1: getting better or something that would all make more sense
Speaker 1: to me than he's He would never like it's just
Speaker 1: fall de Lulu and like I wrote, yeah, like try
Speaker 1: he's changed, he'll be different. There's so many more lies
Speaker 1: you could go with. Sabler says, uh, he's gonna drive
Speaker 1: them home and they're gonna put a patrol car on
Speaker 1: their house all night. So then Craigan shows up and
Speaker 1: tells them, listen, there's a shortage of police. We got
Speaker 1: a traffic cop a little bit here, Like, uh, we
Speaker 1: don't have we don't have anybody from this one precinct
Speaker 1: on their house anymore. So we got to go over
Speaker 1: there and watch them ourselves. And uh, Finn offers to
Speaker 1: go and with Stabler, and Craigan's like, no, I'll go.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want this dumb ass guy trying to set
Speaker 1: up any more of his cops.
Speaker 3: So Stabler and Craigan pull up to the house.
Speaker 1: And Craigan acts daddy you know, yeah, and he and
Speaker 1: he puts his money where his mouth is, you know,
Speaker 1: or right he goes like on the steakouts. He could
Speaker 1: just be behind a desk and he gets out in
Speaker 1: the field. And I like that about Craigan. That's like
Speaker 1: truthfully currently on the show, that's let live like live.
Speaker 1: I don't think ever has to be at a crime scene,
Speaker 1: and she's at every crime scene like she's at every
Speaker 1: single one hands on. So Stabler's about to get out
Speaker 1: of the car and go check to make everything okay
Speaker 1: at the house when we hear a gunshot. They call
Speaker 1: it in. They run into the house. When they get there,
Speaker 1: they see blood on the kitchen floor. When they go
Speaker 1: down to the basement, Sandra is like slumped up on
Speaker 1: the floor against the wall.
Speaker 3: She's got blood all over her face. She's moaning.
Speaker 1: Hank is lying face down looking pretty dead, and Nicki
Speaker 1: is in the corner holding a gun. Stabler calmly tells
Speaker 1: him to drop it. Obviously, Stabler has a rapport with
Speaker 1: all angry young men. He tells him to drop it
Speaker 1: and the mom he goes Mom let him in and
Speaker 1: he started beating her up.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what else to do. And that's the
Speaker 3: end of act three.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now top of act four, A lot of
Speaker 1: action in this act. Top of act four, Sandra's getting
Speaker 1: wheeled into an ambulance on a stretcher. Her face is bloody.
Speaker 1: She's like, is my baby okay? And Nicky's like, I'm sorry, Mom,
Speaker 1: I love you. She's giving him nothing, She's giving Nicki
Speaker 1: nothing back. It's okay, son, We'll be all right. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: deep down, she's pissed. You just killed my boyfriend, my husband.
Speaker 1: So we see Hank's body in a body bag, so
Speaker 1: officially he is dead, and Nicki is talking to Stabler
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm glad he's dead, and frankly, Nikki same,
Speaker 1: I think we all feel that way. And then Nicky
Speaker 1: starts angrily confessing all these details of the crime to Stabler,
Speaker 1: like I came up behind him and I just and
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, shut up, shut the fuck up, don't say
Speaker 1: anything else to me, don't say anything to anyone without
Speaker 1: a lay.
Speaker 2: This episode is just like every stereotype of Stabler in
Speaker 2: one like totally breaking rules, trying to be a hero,
Speaker 2: sneak in some car.
Speaker 1: Like the truth, telling the truth on the stand even
Speaker 1: when he doesn't have to, like I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: A Stabler Bingo episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. It really fucking is going home
Speaker 1: to his kids, Kathy looking in on it. You know,
Speaker 1: we had, We've got everything. It's incredible Stabler only getting
Speaker 1: super invested in a case when it involves anybody that
Speaker 1: mirrors his own children, you know, so.
Speaker 3: Oh so uh.
Speaker 1: He tells Nikki shut your fucking damn mouth unless a
Speaker 1: lawyer tells you to talk.
Speaker 3: You hear me? Do you understand?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I understand, and then he gets taken
Speaker 1: away to the precinct. But while that combo was going on,
Speaker 1: we see Hardwick has gotten the attention. Okay, and like
Speaker 1: Hardwick again, we've talked about her, the most forgettable.
Speaker 3: DA that we have ada we have in SVU history.
Speaker 1: She's just so discount bin Cabot, Like it's like you
Speaker 1: just found an old Cabot in a at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the bargain basement and you were like, I guess
Speaker 1: this will work, but it's rude.
Speaker 2: But it's like when she talks, it feels like she's
Speaker 2: auditioning for the part, Like you see her thinking about
Speaker 2: the lines before she's like they're not in her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's flat, Well, we just this actress was
Speaker 1: just in the episode with the banana up the ass,
Speaker 1: Remember which one was that that we.
Speaker 3: Just did.
Speaker 1: The Russia Love Poeck. Yes, she's in Russian love poem.
Speaker 1: She's the one that's like the guy with the banana
Speaker 1: of the butt. She was having some to them. She's like,
Speaker 1: he knows all the moves. Like she was better as
Speaker 1: the horny art lady in that episode. And then they
Speaker 1: bring her back to be this da And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people think playing it like very neutral
Speaker 1: deadpan is like the way an eightya would be. And
Speaker 1: I think there's just some people better at doing that
Speaker 1: than others. And those people are Diane Neil and Stephanie
Speaker 1: March and Brefael Barba rol as barsa excuse me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, she gets she doesn't hear anything in the conversation,
Speaker 1: but she sees that they're having this heated conversation Nicki
Speaker 1: and Stabler, and we get a little like side eye
Speaker 1: from her, okay, and the camera is letting us know
Speaker 1: that she's clocked this conversation and so when she when
Speaker 1: Stabler walks up to Hardwicke, Melinda, and Craigan, they're all
Speaker 1: in a huddle. Melinda's like, well, the stippling indicates that
Speaker 1: he was shot at point blank range in the back
Speaker 1: of the head. I'm ruling it a homicide. And Hardwick's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we go in with justifiable and Stabler's like, yeah, Nikki
Speaker 1: saw Hank beating the mom, got the gun to stuff
Speaker 1: him from killing her, but not necessarily in that order,
Speaker 1: says the voice of a random CSU tech.
Speaker 3: I've never clocked before, but his.
Speaker 1: Name is Adrian Sung, and he's been in seven episodes
Speaker 1: over the course of The character's name is Adrian Sung.
Speaker 1: He's been in seven episodes over the course of seasons
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen, but only one that we've covered, So
Speaker 1: I guess that's why I'm not I haven't really like
Speaker 1: fully focused on him yet for a recap. And he
Speaker 1: found something in the basement that might change the story. Oh,
Speaker 1: so they all go down there and the tech does
Speaker 1: a nice little forensic show and tell in the basement.
Speaker 1: He shows them the trajectory of the slug where the
Speaker 1: slug ends it up and he sprays something on a
Speaker 1: laser beam to make to show a trajectory like it's
Speaker 1: very you know, it's very ooh forensic science, and it
Speaker 1: basically informs that Nikki's too short to have shot Hank
Speaker 1: if in the back of the head, if Hank was
Speaker 1: standing up, so he must have been kneeling down at
Speaker 1: the sink because the bullet was found like underneath the
Speaker 1: kitchen sink or the basement sink. I guess we're in
Speaker 1: a basement, so it's not the kitchen. But so they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so he shot Hank execution style. He was bent down
Speaker 1: on the ground and they're like yeah, or Hank was
Speaker 1: already down there getting something from the cabinet, like maybe
Speaker 1: this flask that he pulls out. Song pulls out this
Speaker 1: little flask. They're like, Sabler's like, is there a weapon
Speaker 1: down there? And he's like, no, no weapon. So then
Speaker 1: there was no imminent threat to Nicki's life, Hardwick says,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you are such a dumb bitch, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know. This kid is a d V victim,
Speaker 1: Like there's always an imminent threat to his life in
Speaker 1: his mind, and he's now defied an order of protection
Speaker 1: from the police, So would you not think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this guy could do anything like and now he knows
Speaker 1: we've gone to the police about him, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: kill me. And Stabler's like, did you see the mother's face?
Speaker 1: And Craigan goes, well, with this family, let's talk to
Speaker 1: the mom before we jump to conclusions.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know why anyone is why
Speaker 3: are we even prosecuting this man?
Speaker 1: But anyway, in the hospital, Sandra's in the hospit bed
Speaker 1: face looking rough, okay, and she's like, what I remember
Speaker 1: is Hank shows up at the door. He's begging me.
Speaker 1: I can't leave him out in the cold, so I
Speaker 1: let him in. As soon as I let him in,
Speaker 1: he starts beating me up, calling me a no good slut.
Speaker 1: Nikki comes running out. As soon as she starts screaming,
Speaker 1: Hank throws him to the floor.
Speaker 3: And then he just kept kicking me.
Speaker 1: And that's all I remember, Like, he's kicking you, and
Speaker 1: you're pregnant with his child, so you know not that
Speaker 1: you should kick a non pregnant woman. But nothing is
Speaker 1: off limits for this guy, Like he's a psycho.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I mentioned it a few episodes ago.
Speaker 2: But like the percentage of women in prison, like I
Speaker 2: think it's the percentage is so hide people that just
Speaker 2: killed their abusers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't think it should even be honishable.
Speaker 2: No, But like if the police and justice system don't
Speaker 2: stop the domestic violence and don't care about victims, that
Speaker 2: means they relate to the perpetrators, which means they're more
Speaker 2: sympathetic to them.
Speaker 1: And I saw I keep I've seen this a couple
Speaker 1: of times, this interview with this woman who went to
Speaker 1: jail because she killed her abuser and he was in
Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back for her was
Speaker 1: when he started hitting her kids and she killed him
Speaker 1: and she was in jail and she's like, honestly, in here,
Speaker 1: I'm safe and I've learned a trade, and I you know.
Speaker 2: Now she said the first time she felt free as prison,
Speaker 2: Like she went to prison to feel free because that's
Speaker 2: how awful she felt, this abusive relationship.
Speaker 3: It's like crazy, it's it's it's but.
Speaker 2: It's what we talked about this with the Eileen Werno's
Speaker 2: case to where it's or maybe we didn't, but it's
Speaker 2: like if people are against type, we expect men to
Speaker 2: be monsters or whatnot, and so like then when a
Speaker 2: woman does it, you punish. It's like it's when people go, well,
Speaker 2: women could be worse, I'm like, could they?
Speaker 1: Well, it's like when we did the episode, the Whoopi
Speaker 1: Goldberg episode and the woman whose husband killed her child
Speaker 1: got less time than she did for not stopping it.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, Like women are not allowed to be like.
Speaker 1: The bad guys. So that's all she remembers. Okay, she
Speaker 1: did not see Nicki shoot Hank, she says, and then
Speaker 1: Hardwick is like, well the evidence doesn't suggest self defense,
Speaker 1: and Sandra goes you saying you don't believe Nicki, and
Speaker 1: Hardwick has the stupidest face on, like like I know
Speaker 1: you guys can't see me.
Speaker 3: It's a podcast.
Speaker 1: But she's like, go back and freeze on that face,
Speaker 1: like the face, it's the worst face, and they hang
Speaker 1: on it. The camera hangs on it for like a
Speaker 1: second too long. It made me want to punch her.
Speaker 1: And now Drea de Matteo summons all of her sopranos'
Speaker 1: powers and she sits up in her hospital bed and
Speaker 1: goes the only reason Hank got close to my house
Speaker 1: is because your cops took off and now you're accusing
Speaker 1: my boy of lying. And then it's kind of like yeah, tea,
Speaker 1: you know, like she's right, and then she tells them
Speaker 1: do not go near Nicki. So outside the hospital room,
Speaker 1: Sabler is getting into it with Hardwick. He's like nice
Speaker 1: bedside manner, and she's like, I want the truth and
Speaker 1: she's like, what was that conversation that you had with
Speaker 1: Nikki by the ambulance when Hank went buying the body bag.
Speaker 3: And Stabler like is like pissed.
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, this guy violated a protection order and
Speaker 1: Hardwick is arguing, yeah, but he wasn't threatening anyone when
Speaker 1: he was on his knees and that kid blew his
Speaker 1: brains out, so and again I'm like, is.
Speaker 3: She fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like this is basically like if you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of a home invasion and the guy who's invading your
Speaker 1: house and has tied you up stops to eat a sandwich,
Speaker 1: are you not allowed to break free.
Speaker 3: And shoot him?
Speaker 1: Like just because he stopped to go get alcohol, you
Speaker 1: think that the behavior was gonna get nicer when he
Speaker 1: got his flat, was like things were going to improve
Speaker 1: once he got some booze in his system, Like, I
Speaker 1: just think this woman is such a dumb bitch. This
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like I'm like, send her a pair of
Speaker 1: our dumb bitch socks, like you're not going to convince
Speaker 1: a jury that, like he didn't think he was in
Speaker 1: danger just because he didn't shoot the guy as he
Speaker 1: was coming toward him with a raised fist, like he's
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. And then she goes, he's thirteen, I
Speaker 1: can try him as an adult, and okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: and why do you want to do that? He's an
Speaker 1: abused boy, Like wouldn't you try to move it to
Speaker 1: family court even if it was on purpose, like even
Speaker 1: if it was like wow, he really did say yes,
Speaker 1: I plotted this for days.
Speaker 3: But he's thirteen years old and like an abuse victim.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, oh, so you can parade him into
Speaker 1: the court and win points with the DA And she
Speaker 1: tells him, do your job, arrest Nikki for second Drea
Speaker 1: murder and he goes, do it yourself and he walks away,
Speaker 1: which I love. Now we're at the precinct, Stabler's looking
Speaker 1: over the case on the blackboard, of course, and Live
Speaker 1: is back and she's like, wow, I was in court
Speaker 1: all day and you're the one pissing off lawyers. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you talk to Hardwick And this idiot
Speaker 1: called Benson to see if she would maybe get some
Speaker 1: info out of Stabler about the conversation with Niki, and
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, you're even dumber than I thought you were.
Speaker 1: Benson obviously tells her to shove it. Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: talk about the Nicky situation and Benson tells him you
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, and Sailor goes, we'll tell me
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. And he's like, I really don't want to
Speaker 1: arrest Nikki and Benson goes, so fight fire with fire?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? We'll find out after this commercial break.
Speaker 3: So no.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking to Sandra in cement room bars and
Speaker 1: she's like, you cannot talk to Nicki and Hardwick goes,
Speaker 1: he's a miner, so you have to be present when
Speaker 1: I mirandized him. And I'm like in my head, going, okay,
Speaker 1: so he's a miner. He cannot be mirandized without a parent,
Speaker 1: but he can be tried as an adult, Like what
Speaker 1: what is this system here? Like if he's a little
Speaker 1: baby that needs to have a parent with him to
Speaker 1: get his Miranda rights. Then that's how you have to
Speaker 1: try him at court too. So Nicki comes into the room,
Speaker 1: he runs to his mom.
Speaker 3: They're hugging.
Speaker 1: Hardwick immediately starts the Miranda rights, and right as she says,
Speaker 1: if you give up that right, we hear, Oh he's
Speaker 1: not an in strolls absolute icon of cinema and my life,
Speaker 1: Olympia du Caucus with a perfectly smooth silver sus Ormon haircut.
Speaker 1: She is a vision. I love Olympia du Caucus. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have a relationship with her. She
Speaker 1: shares mother in Moonstruck. She's a main character in Steel Magnolius.
Speaker 1: Her relationship with Shirley McClain's character in Steel Magnolia is
Speaker 1: one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: Weeza and I forgot.
Speaker 1: I honestly forget what Olympia's character's name is because Wesa
Speaker 1: is so iconic too.
Speaker 3: But I love Olympia to Caucus.
Speaker 1: She just passed into twenty twenty one, and I just
Speaker 1: like love her so much. I think she's the Bee's
Speaker 1: fucking knees. And uh, Sandra doesn't know who this brad is?
Speaker 1: When she walks in, she says she's Debbie Marsh and
Speaker 1: she goes. Stabler says, you need a lawyer, and Sandra goes, well,
Speaker 1: I can't afford you. She just looks her up and
Speaker 1: down and is like, whatever this is, I can't afford it.
Speaker 1: She's like, you are not a public defender, and she goes,
Speaker 1: it's on the house. And then she goes to Hardwick
Speaker 1: proud of yourself charging a battered kid with murder two
Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm more than open to a deal,
Speaker 1: and Olympia Doucoccus goes, well, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not and just go the fuck off. I love her
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: She's like, no jury's gonna convict this kid once they
Speaker 1: hear what this like monster did to him. So now
Speaker 1: we're in court, and I love that they got to
Speaker 1: Olpia du Caucus, but they probably could only get her
Speaker 1: for like a day of shooting.
Speaker 3: So she's only really in this last bit, right.
Speaker 1: So now we're in court and Debbie's got Stabler on
Speaker 1: the stand and he's describing Nicky's state of mind the
Speaker 1: night of the murder, what happened. Stabler's like, I believe
Speaker 1: him that, you know he was scared and he thought
Speaker 1: that there was.
Speaker 3: A threat on his life. And now Hardwick it's her turn.
Speaker 1: She asked Stabler, what did you and Nicky say in
Speaker 1: this private conversation that I witnessed and Olympia Debbie argues,
Speaker 1: this is inadmissible, like, you know, he's a minor, he
Speaker 1: had not been mirandized. And Hardwick is trying to say
Speaker 1: that it's a spontaneous utterance. The law is so weird,
Speaker 1: isn't it so weird that if you I don't even
Speaker 1: know that well, you know how, like you can't interrogate
Speaker 1: somebody without a lawyer.
Speaker 3: But if you get to a crime.
Speaker 1: Scene and somebody goes, I did it, I killed him,
Speaker 1: that counts as a spontaneous utterance even though their lawyer
Speaker 1: wasn't there. It is just a weird caveat we've carved
Speaker 1: into the law, like if you're keyed up when you
Speaker 1: say something, it's out. But if you were calm, like
Speaker 1: it's in, you know, but if you were calm when
Speaker 1: you said it, we can't use it. Like I don't.
Speaker 1: It's it's so funny to me. But Debbie argues, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a kid, and the judge is not buying it.
Speaker 1: I think this is the judge who had the dolphin
Speaker 1: porn on his computer, but I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 3: I tried to look it up, but I didn't have time.
Speaker 1: And then he overrules the objection and orders Stabler to
Speaker 1: answer the question.
Speaker 3: Why can't Stabler just lie? Nobody knows what was said
Speaker 3: between them?
Speaker 1: He could have just said that, then Stabler wouldn't be Stabler.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it's like this poor fucking
Speaker 1: beaten up kid, Like, couldn't you just say no, one
Speaker 1: knows except for you, Like you could just say he
Speaker 1: just was rambling. I couldn't really make a lot out
Speaker 1: of what he was saying. It was a lot about what,
Speaker 1: you know, how his dad was hurting him.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I think this was the judge that has the championship roses.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not no different judge. I think
Speaker 1: this is dolphin porn judge. I thought it was older.
Speaker 1: I thought that wasn't an older guy. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like, who's the main one, who's the main We
Speaker 1: need to make a fucking full roster of all the judges.
Speaker 1: But this is judge Walter Bradley.
Speaker 3: He's in.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's in so many episodes. Wait, there's
Speaker 1: an SVU episode called Hubris. I think that might be
Speaker 1: from a different The way you say franchise is hard
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: What Hubris? Yeah, that's how you say it.
Speaker 1: I know I've been saying it wrong and it makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable to hear you say it.
Speaker 3: Oh, how do you say it Hubris? Oh? Hugh, I
Speaker 3: think you can say Hubris too, right. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't really use that word much. No, I said
Speaker 3: it a lot. I said it today in one of
Speaker 3: our interviews. I did, right.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't say it a lot, but I
Speaker 1: I did learn it in high school. It was a
Speaker 1: part of my vocab. Oh no, sorry, Yeah, Hubris is
Speaker 1: a Law and Order regular. So this guy goes across,
Speaker 1: he goes across both both things.
Speaker 3: He was in the episode.
Speaker 2: Can I remember the dolphin thing being like, oh, I
Speaker 2: fucked up my Matt?
Speaker 3: Like, but maybe this guy has.
Speaker 1: Been older we have to Yeah, we can move on,
Speaker 1: but we'll figure it out before the post mortem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poison retro. Yeah, he's been in a lot anyway. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out for you, guys, don't worry.
Speaker 3: Keep listening. Yeah, listening.
Speaker 1: Wait, have you seen the post? If you're in line
Speaker 1: to suck, If you're in line to suck Bill Clinton's dick,
Speaker 1: stay line. So you know, I hate the Internet in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but it's so it brings me
Speaker 1: so many laughs.
Speaker 3: People are so funny.
Speaker 1: What in ancient times we couldn't spread humor to each
Speaker 1: other at this rate? It was just it's too good,
Speaker 1: all right. So Stabler can't just lie. He tells the
Speaker 1: court that Nikki said he was glad his stepdad was
Speaker 1: dead and that he deserved to die for what he
Speaker 1: did to his mom. So uh, I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 1: he's in shock, Like, I don't see how that's a
Speaker 1: smoking guy either, And they also say what did he yell?
Speaker 1: And he goes, he yelled I put the gun to
Speaker 1: his head again, So what, Like, I still don't buy
Speaker 1: how any of this is not excusable by being a
Speaker 1: traumatized victim. And outside the courthouse now, Stabler rolls up
Speaker 1: on Sandra, who's just having a little pregnancy smoke and
Speaker 1: she go he goes, are you smoking?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And he goes, you ever stop being a cop, And
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't think he cares about smoking in general.
Speaker 1: But go he goes, I'll stop becoming a cop once
Speaker 1: you start being a mother. He goes, You're on the
Speaker 1: stand in ten minutes. And she's like, I can't do it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you have to. Nicky needs you, and
Speaker 1: she goes, you know the night that Hank was hitting
Speaker 1: NICKI in the shoulder, I watched him do it. I
Speaker 1: felt every punch and I knew where he had his gun,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go get it, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't do a damn thing.
Speaker 1: And now I have to go what go admit to
Speaker 1: this jury what a shitty mom I've been. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the fucking least you could do, babe. At this point,
Speaker 1: like I do believe she's a victim as well, but
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't need to not go on trial
Speaker 1: for your son. And then Stabler goes, this isn't about you,
Speaker 1: it's about Nicky, and she goes, you really think I
Speaker 1: don't give a crap about him, and Sablor goes, no,
Speaker 1: I think you're a battered woman who doesn't know where
Speaker 1: to turn. And she's like, Hank paid the bills, he
Speaker 1: fixed the house, he put food on the table, he
Speaker 1: kept everything under control. What am I going to do
Speaker 1: without him now? And he's like, well, now you're in control,
Speaker 1: and you have to protect your son, and it might
Speaker 1: be your last chance to fucking do it, so get
Speaker 1: your ass on the stand. So now she's on the
Speaker 1: stand and Hank said, she's reporting that. Hank said he
Speaker 1: was going to make me pay for ratting him out
Speaker 1: to the cops while and then he started beating me
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, and I was like, I could never
Speaker 1: be on this jury because I'd be like, anyone is
Speaker 1: allowed to kill this man, Like anyone on the street
Speaker 1: can kill this man, Like I don't care, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it'd be fun to uh be
Speaker 1: on a jury with yeah, Like I would try to
Speaker 1: be the foreman, I think, right, and then he would
Speaker 1: never let me sit on it.
Speaker 3: But I never getting on a journey for I think
Speaker 3: we're never getting on a jury for the rest of
Speaker 3: our lives because we have.
Speaker 1: But did you I think see the clip where Reese
Speaker 1: Witherspoon did an interview and she would serve jury duty
Speaker 1: and they made her the foreman because of legally blonde
Speaker 1: and she had to be like you, I'm not a lawyer,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you do it and they made.
Speaker 3: Reese do it. You went to Harvard Law.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I never heard that. That's wild. Oh my god, I'm so.
Speaker 1: Surpri Okay, whatever, I I just you and I will
Speaker 1: never if they ask us, like, do you watch do
Speaker 1: you know anything about the law?
Speaker 2: They want people that are interested in the law and
Speaker 2: know about it, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they want people that think they know
Speaker 1: a lot about the law because they've watched like TV
Speaker 1: shows and because we've like actually researched some laws.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think they want people like that, like
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: But Debbie asks her what happened next, and Sandra gets distracted.
Speaker 1: She goes, I want to say something, and the judge
Speaker 1: is like, answer the question, and then she goes, I
Speaker 1: never thought you'd go after NICKI and I can't let
Speaker 1: him go to prison for something that I did. It
Speaker 1: was me I killed Hank. And then Nicky stands up
Speaker 1: and goes, mom, no, this is twist I didn't see
Speaker 1: coming and I didn't realize that this is the exact
Speaker 1: plot of the ballot of Dwight and Arena the other
Speaker 1: episode that we've done with where Ricky Lindholm was Our
Speaker 1: guests like, it's the same plot. It's like abusive dad
Speaker 1: beating up a step son beating up a wife. One
Speaker 1: of them kills him, and we don't really know which
Speaker 1: one because they're going to play a sort of mistrial
Speaker 1: strategy on each other and causing reasonable doubt. So my
Speaker 1: first thought is okay, Like when they have tested for
Speaker 1: gunshot residue on both of their hands, like, I'm always
Speaker 1: looking for the holes, you know, And the judge tells
Speaker 1: her like, Sandra, you are confessing to crime, to a
Speaker 1: crime of murder in open court. You have the right
Speaker 1: to remain silent. She's like, I don't want to remain silent.
Speaker 3: He was beating me. He was going to kill both
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 1: I went and found his gun, and when he was
Speaker 1: by the work bench, I guess it wasn't a sink.
Speaker 3: It was like a work bench. It looked like a
Speaker 3: sink to me, but it was dark.
Speaker 1: She goes, when he was at the work bench, I
Speaker 1: stuck up behind him and I blew the bastard's brains out.
Speaker 3: And Nicki's like, don't listen to her.
Speaker 1: She's lying to save me. I did it, and then
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I did it, and she's crying. The
Speaker 1: judge calls a recess. I don't know what else you
Speaker 1: can do, and then Hardwick turns to Stabler in a
Speaker 1: callback to his earlier comment and goes, my parade just
Speaker 1: became a circus. And now we're back with Sung, this
Speaker 1: technician and he's showing Hardwick and Stabler one of those
Speaker 1: top of the line animated videos that the NYPD makes
Speaker 1: to show how like crime scenes can play out, and
Speaker 1: he's like, look, it's plausible that Sandra shot Hank NICKI
Speaker 1: came and took the gun out of her hands, and
Speaker 1: she ended up across the room, which is why we
Speaker 1: never suspected her. And I'm like, because she was across
Speaker 1: the room, what like, she was all the way ten.
Speaker 3: Feet away from where it happened.
Speaker 1: We didn't think it could have been her like, and
Speaker 1: then he goes, then that's why we never tested her clothes. Again,
Speaker 1: this feels like it all police work could.
Speaker 3: Have been done.
Speaker 1: And then so they end up they do test her
Speaker 1: clothes now, which I guess haven't been washed or maybe
Speaker 1: the hospital has them. So chain of custody has been
Speaker 1: maintained her turtle was saturated with gunshot residue and fine
Speaker 1: blood spatter particulate. So they're like, oh, okay, so Nicki
Speaker 1: didn't kill him, it was her and Song.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think if I was on jury duty selection
Speaker 2: and I said, what was that word?
Speaker 3: You just said? Particulate but blood spatter particulate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think if I said that then let me
Speaker 1: stay I'm pretty interested in blood spatter. Yeah, particulate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Song is like, I can't actually testify to that
Speaker 1: because Niki also had gunshot residue and spatter on him,
Speaker 1: So either one of them could have shot Hank with
Speaker 1: the other close by.
Speaker 3: So it's the twins.
Speaker 1: It's the twins if you can't, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's the twins from identity. I mean.
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, it's like, I really do feel
Speaker 1: like the gunshot residue is more apparent on the person
Speaker 1: who shot the shot. So if they swab Nicki's hands
Speaker 1: and he didn't really have it on his hands, but
Speaker 1: he had it on him and she did it, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It feels like this could have been solved
Speaker 1: with forensics, but they're acting like it was so forensically
Speaker 1: perfectly set up that either ononer of them could be it,
Speaker 1: and Hardwick goes, I'm screwed, aren't I? And Sabler goes,
Speaker 1: now you know how they felt? Give it to her?
Speaker 3: And like, I know.
Speaker 1: Justice is blind, but I honestly don't even understand why
Speaker 1: we prosecute crimes like this, Like when someone has like
Speaker 1: the fucking record of just like abuse and there's a
Speaker 1: testimony and evidence of someone just being an abusive asshole,
Speaker 1: and we're like, let's spend tax payer money to put
Speaker 1: the person who murdered them to jail. I don't get it,
Speaker 1: Like I really don't, But I understand that that's like
Speaker 1: not how the system works, and we have to do
Speaker 1: it that way. But I think there should be some
Speaker 1: cases where it's just like, oh, this monster, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, we don't have to do it. Like if
Speaker 1: they like found evidence of like who killed Epstein in jail,
Speaker 1: it was like another inmate, we're not prosecuting.
Speaker 3: I don't, We're not doing it.
Speaker 1: Was I that was a job, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: of course, but that just came to mind as another
Speaker 1: bad person. So next scene, next and final scene, NICKI
Speaker 1: said on everybody's lips, is gonna be Epstein Epstein. Sorry
Speaker 1: I did that. It just really came over me like
Speaker 1: a and you guys are gonna see it soon. But
Speaker 1: we did have a guest ask us, have you guys
Speaker 1: ever seen Chicago the musical? What a laugh? What a
Speaker 1: laugh we had? Not only do we see I think
Speaker 1: I like quote it once a day. So in then
Speaker 1: the last scene, Nicki and Sandra have been upgraded to
Speaker 1: wood room blinds. Okay, Stabler and Hardwick tell them listen,
Speaker 1: neither of you is being charged with Hank's murder. That's
Speaker 1: why your lawyer's not here. But we just have this
Speaker 1: thing where we gotta know, So can you tell us
Speaker 1: what happened? One of you pulled the trigger, one of
Speaker 1: you tried to knock the gun away. I promise no
Speaker 1: one will prosecute you. So which one was it? And
Speaker 1: they both say I did in unison And they're so right.
Speaker 1: Don't trust this dumb strawberry blonde bitch. She's not gonna
Speaker 1: help you like she could. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: She just goes, you have.
Speaker 2: My w because it wasn't double jeopardy, it wasn't thrown
Speaker 2: out yet, Like you can't fucking do that shit.
Speaker 3: No, if she found out the truth.
Speaker 1: I could see this woman going and trying to find
Speaker 1: more evidence that supports the truth and then taking it
Speaker 1: back to trial. What I don't think happened is that
Speaker 1: I think Nicki did it and she tried to stop
Speaker 1: because I think if Sandra was gonna shoot him, Nicky
Speaker 1: wouldn't have tried to stop it. So why would there
Speaker 1: be gunshot residue on him? But that's my personal theory.
Speaker 1: Who cares. They're they're free to go. They both walk
Speaker 1: out hugging in and hopefully maybe she stays celibate for
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: No dating, No dating, Yeah, no dating? Why therapy?
Speaker 1: He said, she works crazy hours, work your job, put
Speaker 1: food on the table for you and your kid.
Speaker 3: Let's leave it, you know, like, let's do it, like
Speaker 3: whatever I feel. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So Hardwick says we're never going to know which one
Speaker 1: of them did it, and Sabler goes, does it matter?
Speaker 3: And that's dick wolf Baby.
Speaker 1: They're happy another abuse user is dead and that his
Speaker 1: buddy Nikki is not going to jail. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: take me to the modern fight Club, Lisa.
Speaker 2: Listen, this is one of those where, like even on
Speaker 2: the Wick, it's like inspired by the fight club phenomenon
Speaker 2: caused by the book and film, and it's like I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't buy it, but yeah, because but
Speaker 2: maybe I do whatever. But we're fight club's the thing
Speaker 2: before the fight club. Like I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like we're people fighting. I think people.
Speaker 1: Definitely did like boxing clubs and shit like that, but
Speaker 1: we're boxing clubs.
Speaker 3: That's what's Yeah, Well, I just think this movie made
Speaker 3: it that.
Speaker 1: It's like you're hitting to like feel something, right, Like
Speaker 1: aren't you hitting to like aren't you in this fight
Speaker 1: club to like feel like a man and act like
Speaker 1: a man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the malaise of consumerism and like you know,
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, yeah, men don't get out there
Speaker 1: and hunt and gather anymore or whatever.
Speaker 3: They're stopping you. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Always, oh we can't do what you go go gather,
Speaker 2: go hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah I could see though, people, I mean the whole
Speaker 1: stopping guy Bottoms has a bunch of girls starting a
Speaker 1: fight Bottoms.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like outside of violence and rape,
Speaker 1: like if you're a dude, do whatever you want, go
Speaker 1: do what anything?
Speaker 3: Else you want. We're not stopping you. The only thing we.
Speaker 1: Don't want is just like, uh, we just want to
Speaker 1: be able to like choose our future.
Speaker 2: Like I don't understan, I don't understand. Well, there was
Speaker 2: another thing online where it's like men suffer in silence,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, then why am I hearing about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hearing quiet. Yeah it's not very silent or
Speaker 1: the cool. Yeah, I just I have to get off
Speaker 1: the internet. I just beacon memes. Ah, the male loneliness
Speaker 1: epidemic is not being solved by a fight club.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like men can't cry, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: men shouldn't hit women, but you guys found a way.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like figure it out. Go cry and
Speaker 3: men can cry. Nobody said they can't.
Speaker 2: Come on, Well, they're just trying to back the only
Speaker 2: person says men can't cry or other men. Well, and
Speaker 2: there are true there are women that are for it,
Speaker 2: and these guys want to fuck these women. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you do what you gotta do to fuck the
Speaker 2: women that you want to fuck, and some of them
Speaker 2: don't want you cry. I'm thinking about the movie Don
Speaker 2: John where Scarlet Johanson's like, don't you fucking clean your
Speaker 2: own apartment? It's like what, But you do what you
Speaker 2: have to do if Scarjoe tells you to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So we're in Indio, California, and the La Times reported
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: Guess how I read this article. I got into the
Speaker 1: La Times.
Speaker 2: I copied everything and was able to paste it into
Speaker 2: a Google doc because I.
Speaker 3: Will not pay for the La Times.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I quickly and I found a new hopper.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Everyone always is so kind and sends me so many
Speaker 2: things to help me, and I am just gonna try
Speaker 2: to race the time and copy and paste full articles
Speaker 2: and ads.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and six, A boy dies in a fight club,
Speaker 2: sixteen years old, Jefferson Pittner. He collapsed after fighting in
Speaker 2: three boxing matches in Palm Desert Park and it was boxing,
Speaker 2: and like the one in Minnesota I cover later, also
Speaker 2: boxing gloves, Like a lot of these boys were wearing
Speaker 2: boxing gloves, so it's not like they were like trying
Speaker 2: to murder each other, I don't think. After collapsing, the
Speaker 2: other teenagers called nine to one one immediately, According to
Speaker 2: Sergeant Earl Quinata, who is a spokesperson for the Sheriff's office.
Speaker 2: This young boy died of head injuries just before eleven pm.
Speaker 2: There were eleven boys that were part of the club
Speaker 2: that were questioned, and it wasn't really a popular thing.
Speaker 2: It's not like the whole neighborhood was like look at
Speaker 2: those cool guys.
Speaker 3: They'd just been doing it for a few years.
Speaker 2: And like I said, it was with boxing gloves. It
Speaker 2: was treated like a homicide. But I couldn't find any
Speaker 2: charges being filed.
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe they investigated and then like kind of.
Speaker 3: Weren't able to charge anybody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean also like, was there any bedding going on
Speaker 1: in this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, was it just this something It's like fight thought
Speaker 1: the movie had nothing to do with making any money
Speaker 1: off of it, right, Like, well, and it wasn't children,
Speaker 1: I guess, right, I don't. To me, this feels like
Speaker 1: it's a combo of the fight club thing and the
Speaker 1: dog fighting thing, like the dog fighting scandal had happened
Speaker 1: like in the early two thousands with Michael Vick.
Speaker 3: Right I recovered the VIC case.
Speaker 1: No, No, I feel like it's just like dog fighting
Speaker 1: is in people's minds and the SPU is probably always like,
Speaker 1: how do I turn something into something that's kids? And
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, these fight clubs are happening, and so
Speaker 1: they like combo it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could like when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: people were backyard wrestling, you know, I just think there.
Speaker 2: And when I was in high school, I was doing
Speaker 2: jackass stuff. I was definitely out there. I was definitely
Speaker 2: doing things with mouse traps and hills and like I
Speaker 2: was doing stuff I love jackass. I was like jumping
Speaker 2: onto Christmas blow up decoration. Like, so kids do stupid
Speaker 2: things I don't and and don't care about their bodily
Speaker 2: harm unfortunately, because you know we covered that kid. What's
Speaker 2: the episode with the the light bulb that severed the
Speaker 2: carotid artery on the thigh?
Speaker 3: Is the thigh the karateid? What's the thigh? And the
Speaker 3: girl sounds like this thigh is?
Speaker 1: But what there was an episode Oh yes with the fighting.
Speaker 1: Yes there was another fighting and the girls. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: had her wired shut. And also like beef was the
Speaker 1: episode right before the season right before this, Yes, and
Speaker 1: in beef cockfighting, Like there's cock fighting. So it's like
Speaker 1: there are people trying to like make money off of fights,
Speaker 1: and I feel like s V was like, let's just
Speaker 1: throw kids in the ring, which is I've up, I do.
Speaker 2: Like a boxing mac share in there, but I'm really
Speaker 2: not into violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: This this also so the episode came out in twenty
Speaker 2: eleven as well, So this could be you know, something
Speaker 2: that Neil Bear caught while reading the paper.
Speaker 3: But Naperville a suburb of Chicago.
Speaker 2: It is a bunch of boys aged eleven to thirteen,
Speaker 2: and they were meeting in the school locker room and
Speaker 2: it was voluntary, but a fight club.
Speaker 3: It's not like they were like forcing kids to do it.
Speaker 2: One of the students videotaping of course, of course, and
Speaker 2: the rule was no face hitting, and they had code words.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, these boys are doing a pretty responsible
Speaker 2: fight club if you ask me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no face hitting, yeah, because then there's no The
Speaker 1: boys were disciplined in the school and then.
Speaker 3: That was it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And again, we can't really know that any of these
Speaker 2: were inspired, like the show is inspired by any of these,
Speaker 2: But I just looked at some fight clubs from before
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. So March twenty six, two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: during a lunch break, in Junction City, organ teens were
Speaker 2: pummeling each other for sport while their friends cheered them on,
Speaker 2: and of course videotaped it. And everyone keeps blaming Fight Club.
Speaker 2: But again, I just don't know. I think it's like
Speaker 2: a Marilyn Manson video game thing, or maybe they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have thought about it. But this is also the movie
Speaker 2: six years after the movie came out. But I guess
Speaker 2: that's the popularity of the DVD of it all.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is a very loose one. I would say this
Speaker 1: is yeah, yes, it's closer to our loose episode. A
Speaker 1: loose episode, okay. So then there's a New York Post
Speaker 1: article okay, twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Also, if any of you got the New York Post
Speaker 2: communist mom Donnie Cover, you.
Speaker 3: Could ship it to me. I want it. Oh, I
Speaker 3: want to frame it. Okay.
Speaker 2: So this is in Queen's elementary school. A dad hurt.
Speaker 2: I mean, this could be the Cloe. This could actually
Speaker 2: be it because of the New York connection. Maybe a dad.
Speaker 1: Hurt his kid complaining he didn't get enough applause during
Speaker 1: his fight.
Speaker 2: So the dad's like, what fight, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you talking about? Grilled him, found out his fourth grade
Speaker 2: teacher set up the fight. So the fourth grade teacher's
Speaker 2: name is Joseph Galata, and he and so basically this
Speaker 2: kid was supposed to fight another kid that he was
Speaker 2: mad at. But the teacher goes, no, I like that kid,
Speaker 2: fight this kid instead. I don't like him as much,
Speaker 2: And so he kind of like encouraged him to fight
Speaker 2: this other kid. He closed the classroom door and got
Speaker 2: the classmates to cheer around them. The teacher used the
Speaker 2: quote from the movie to shut them up, like, don't
Speaker 2: talk about fight club, and he instructed the kids to
Speaker 2: lie to the nurse about their injuries.
Speaker 3: Now the cops recalled.
Speaker 2: The teacher was arrested along with his para professional, Abraham Fox,
Speaker 2: and they were charged with acting in a manner injurious
Speaker 2: I'm gonna name my dog in Jurius to a child
Speaker 2: under seventeen. There was also complaints that he was showing
Speaker 2: students inappropriate sexual photos of girls and women in bathing
Speaker 2: suits and sometimes would place hands on butts.
Speaker 1: So not great. The men, though, were both acquitted of
Speaker 1: the charges.
Speaker 2: They were acquitted and then the parents sued Galata, and
Speaker 2: then Galatta asked the school for a lawyer because of
Speaker 2: an education law section three zero two eight and municipal
Speaker 2: law section fifty dash K. But those requests were denied
Speaker 2: and so he ended up suing the school board because
Speaker 2: they wouldn't pay for his lawyer. And it was granted
Speaker 2: and the board had to pay for all his attorney's
Speaker 2: fees and expenses.
Speaker 3: What that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then May fifth, twenty thirteen, the school board
Speaker 2: Disciplinary Hearing issued a decision that the teacher did not
Speaker 2: encourage or direct the fighting, but find him twenty grand
Speaker 2: for at least not being on top of it or
Speaker 2: ending the fight sooner.
Speaker 1: Like the Marshawn Lynch character in Bottoms, When is his
Speaker 1: next vehicle?
Speaker 3: I need?
Speaker 2: But in two thousand and eight, there's a Boulder, Colorado
Speaker 2: fight club fifteen to twenty students reported by the Denver
Speaker 2: Post videotaped.
Speaker 1: I guess that's against the number one rule of the
Speaker 1: fight clubs. But like they are all.
Speaker 3: Videotaping, stop videotaping it.
Speaker 2: But they were like they didn't they couldn't figure out
Speaker 2: this was a one time deal or they were constantly
Speaker 2: doing it. Like why an article like no one gives
Speaker 2: it likes? And but the month prior another like another
Speaker 2: high school in the district, were cited for public brawling.
Speaker 2: But I think that's just what people do. It's upsetting, honestly.
Speaker 2: I don't like violence. But like unless the kid dies,
Speaker 2: who care? Or permanent damage? Who cares?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a Deluthe paper said they brought up a great point.
Speaker 2: There was a they said, if tans are willingly engaging
Speaker 2: in fistfights and taping them willingly, what's the crime. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But in Monticello, Minnesota, sixteen year old boy was treated
Speaker 2: for facial injuries after fighting in a gravel pit behind
Speaker 2: a Walmart.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh well, I mean, like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess it's better than beating kids up that don't
Speaker 1: want to be beat up. Is like doing it with
Speaker 1: a consent, a consenting other kid. I mean, I feel like,
Speaker 1: what do you feel? Yeah, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: think this was I don't think that anything like the
Speaker 1: actual episode was happening at least in the United States
Speaker 1: at all. Or it's underground. It's like an Epstein thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh that's yeah. Like in Thailand, I think
Speaker 1: they have like young kids Domi Thai and stuff to like,
Speaker 1: but that's training, and it's a trained Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not. I don't think there's anything quite
Speaker 1: like this. This is so diabolical and crazy, and like
Speaker 1: I just wonder what the uncle Joe thought he was
Speaker 1: getting out of it. Did he think that he was
Speaker 1: really teaching his kids to defend it, like his nephew
Speaker 1: to defend his bully, or was he like, do you
Speaker 1: really think that little kid Ethan was good? Like the
Speaker 1: nine year old was gonna make him some money in
Speaker 1: the ring.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess now just thinking this isn't children,
Speaker 2: But I think of the movie Django Unchained, and I
Speaker 2: wonder if like this could have been something with enslaved
Speaker 2: populations or groups that are dehumanized within and.
Speaker 1: Going all the way back to the ancient Romans, like
Speaker 1: what happened in the Colisseum. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, so you know, outside of the fight
Speaker 2: Club's you know, the big thing now with in Cell
Speaker 2: red Pill cultural of that is like people didn't realize
Speaker 2: that fight Club was satire, which we talked about, and
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be a warning and it all
Speaker 2: did come true, but it was a warning.
Speaker 3: But men look up to this movie.
Speaker 2: The New Yorker wrote, the movie has become part of
Speaker 2: the contemporary mass cultural canon through which large numbers of
Speaker 2: men tried to think through masculinity.
Speaker 3: Peter C.
Speaker 2: Baker, who wrote this New Yorker piece, he said that
Speaker 2: like he went to all the message boards and alt
Speaker 2: right in cell groups, and they love Tyler Durdan. They
Speaker 2: see him as an alpha male who does what he
Speaker 2: wants and doesn't let anyone stand in his way. And
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but he was like in a dirty
Speaker 2: tub in a warehouse, Like I don't it's not like
Speaker 2: it was a great life, but like, no one's standing
Speaker 2: in your way to go be in a dirty tub.
Speaker 2: But he's not real, and he is a figment of
Speaker 2: a man's imagination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: But their whole thing is like stop being a beta
Speaker 2: white caller Ed Norton, Like Ed is miserable, like you
Speaker 2: gotta be Tyler.
Speaker 3: But Norton kills Tyler in the end.
Speaker 1: So it's a critique of Tyler Jrton in his way
Speaker 1: of like if you know what I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Like fucking shoots himself.
Speaker 2: And it's also like about waking up and being empowered
Speaker 2: and authentic. But Tyler then demands subservience from these men
Speaker 2: he claims to be. So that's another thing, and I
Speaker 2: see that all the time with the men in the
Speaker 2: podcast the Rogue at all of that, Like a lot
Speaker 2: of these alpha male want wanna beers or like cooks
Speaker 2: to the podcasts and like the tapes that they listen to.
Speaker 2: So it's like Tyler Dirton is like, be yourself, be authentic,
Speaker 2: like live freedom.
Speaker 3: And then like none of.
Speaker 2: These boys are marching, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: they have no freedom.
Speaker 1: They're doing whatever this man says. So that doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me either.
Speaker 2: But then this journalist met with fight club heads and
Speaker 2: they all relate to feeling aimless, no passion, just working
Speaker 2: to have things. But then it's like, okay, and this
Speaker 2: is what I like, This is like the most important
Speaker 2: I think. Why do these stories of men finding joy
Speaker 2: have to inflict pain on others? Is there not a
Speaker 2: journey for men that isn't violence and being awful to
Speaker 2: other people? And that is something I'm like really thinking
Speaker 2: about where it's like so much of masculinity is the
Speaker 2: subjugation of women, and it's like can you not find freedom?
Speaker 2: Enjoy without like making other people's lives awful.
Speaker 1: You can, that's the easy way. That's the easier way.
Speaker 1: To just find who you think is weaker and subjugate
Speaker 1: them is the is the easier sort of uh people
Speaker 1: are way of doing it. There's plenty of men that
Speaker 1: are happy in the world, feel happy and liberated and
Speaker 1: are in good relationships and not hurting people. But these
Speaker 1: guys are like, I know a great way to get
Speaker 1: to it. Like Hank in this episode. That's a fucking
Speaker 1: guy who thinks he's like the top dog guy and
Speaker 1: no one's gonna take what's mine and I'll show you
Speaker 1: what I'll show you what I got, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: fucking fight clubbing little kids, fifth graders.
Speaker 3: And that's another thing.
Speaker 2: This journalist is like this or maybe this movie only
Speaker 2: has one female character and she's treated like shit, and
Speaker 2: all these dudes are like, Tyler is the way to
Speaker 2: live and they're like, yeah, he's truly like using her
Speaker 2: for sex then emotionally like being negligent in the day,
Speaker 2: treating her awful, and guys are like, we love this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we love this movie. It's like one girl they were
Speaker 2: gonna Courtney Love was dating at Norton at the time,
Speaker 2: and she was supposed to do this, and Fincher went, no,
Speaker 2: I want against type, and he fought to have Helena.
Speaker 1: I love Helena Bottom Carter, me too. She seems fun
Speaker 1: as fuck. Yeah, I've always loved her.
Speaker 2: But then David Fincher is quoted in the Huffington Post
Speaker 2: and it says he's fun. It's impossible for me to
Speaker 2: imagine that people don't understand that Tyler Dirdan is a
Speaker 2: negative influence.
Speaker 3: I think it's funny.
Speaker 2: And then Fincher to The New York Times said women
Speaker 2: maybe get the humor faster. Young female audiences seem to
Speaker 2: appreciate the film's satirical spin on macho posturing. And I
Speaker 2: felt pretty good about myself when I read that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I also just thought they were hot, like I was young,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: No, it was, and it was. It was a cool movie.
Speaker 1: But hopefully nobody's really doing fight clubs. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: another episode that we're going to do in the future.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I just caught, like in a hotel recently,
Speaker 1: of the woman that comes home from like being in
Speaker 1: the military and she's like in a fight club that
Speaker 1: she goes to to like but she just goes to
Speaker 1: like win, but like fights and she fights other people
Speaker 1: and like she's super strong, and then she gets attacked
Speaker 1: leaving one of the meetings at night. But I think, like,
Speaker 1: because she's from the she has like trauma from the military,
Speaker 1: and I think just fighting makes her feel alive or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I forgot the actual it's a more
Speaker 1: it's a teen season like skydiving. I guess fighting is.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is all about class consciousness. Yeah, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, fight club is probably cheaper. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry this wasn't hardcore true crime, and I
Speaker 1: think it's close, but it's close interesting enough.
Speaker 3: Influence what influences the culture.
Speaker 2: And I guess Finscher said to brad Pitt because because
Speaker 2: it got panned and like, you know, know it didn't do
Speaker 2: good number why or whatever. And brad Pitt went to
Speaker 2: Fincher was like, this is the best thing I've ever made.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck how it does. But then
Speaker 2: Fincher goes, I'm here to make movies that are gonna
Speaker 2: last for twenty years. I don't care what happens now.
Speaker 2: And he's really been able to do that a lot.
Speaker 1: I think if you watch Fight Club, it's like, fuck,
Speaker 1: like he was right about Ever, it's worse than Ever,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, but his movies do last. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: if that's his goal, he's done it. I don't know
Speaker 1: whose goal is. I want to one and done, but
Speaker 1: like my goal is to make a movie that pops
Speaker 1: with an audience now and then has forgotten forever and
Speaker 1: no one.
Speaker 2: I also understand like attaching yourself for being interested in
Speaker 2: the anti capitalists, like anti buying stuff, anti doing things
Speaker 2: you don't love. But again, I don't know if being
Speaker 2: violent in the basement.
Speaker 1: Of a of a liquor store or something is yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah to.
Speaker 2: Do, Like I guess what I feel sad for not
Speaker 2: to like be sad for a but it's like they
Speaker 2: can't because of their lack of wanting to appreciate or
Speaker 2: like be in touch with femininity or women, Like they're
Speaker 2: missing out on like a really joyous, great life, Like
Speaker 2: they can do better than fighting each other and being
Speaker 2: angry and like doing what you know, all this fucked
Speaker 2: Like they have the world, like the world is here.
Speaker 3: To bring you joy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sad when you think your only option
Speaker 2: is like to be a fighting cook for people that
Speaker 2: don't even think about you.
Speaker 1: The male loneliness epidemic persists. I don't know how we're
Speaker 1: going to stop it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so if I cold was So that's the question,
Speaker 2: like did it predict it or did it help cause it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But I think it was like he probably saw this
Speaker 2: predictive because Chuck is like a gay dude.
Speaker 1: I mean that wrote the book. So I feel like
Speaker 1: he was making a comment.
Speaker 3: All right, well, we have a great interview coming. Trying
Speaker 3: to think what the other books are called.
Speaker 2: It was like Invisible Monsters was one that one I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I mean, I think Jared's read a bunch of
Speaker 2: his stuff and said it's great too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's like the R. L. Stein
Speaker 1: if you're a little older, like he's bumped for a
Speaker 1: little older.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's how I felt. I felt really cool.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Invisible Monsters Haunted. I read Survivor, I read Snuff,
Speaker 2: I read Lallah Bye, I read multiple times. I have
Speaker 2: rant I don't think I read it though in a book.
Speaker 2: I read a loud fight Club. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: read all of his books.
Speaker 3: This is crazy, damn Is he still alive. Yeah, he's alive.
Speaker 3: He's alive.
Speaker 2: Annoyed, well, he because he had a day job when
Speaker 2: he even wrote Fight Club, like he didn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think for his book was seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Whoa, Yeah, that's like crazy, that's nothing. The numbers aren't
Speaker 3: even that different today.
Speaker 1: Like I know, all right, let's get going to our
Speaker 1: guests because we've got a good guest for you today.
Speaker 1: Hold on to your butts. Okay, this guest what Aget.
Speaker 1: We've been wanting to get her since the beginning. She
Speaker 1: is an actress, a legend who has been in movies
Speaker 1: like Sudden Impact and Doubt. She has worked with some
Speaker 1: of the greatest greats in the business. She was featured
Speaker 1: in the show, not necessarily the news, but you know
Speaker 1: her best as Judge Louise Lewis Lewis Lois Preston. Please
Speaker 1: enjoy our chat with the iconic Audrey Ninan.
Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 3: We're so thrilled. We're thrilled.
Speaker 6: Hill, I'm so happy. Thank you for asking. This is
Speaker 6: huge for us. Listen, first thing we have to tell
Speaker 6: you is I'm Kara.
Speaker 3: This is Lisa.
Speaker 1: Lisa sometimes has a little bit of mispronunciation, of things
Speaker 1: once in a while on the podcast, and whenever your
Speaker 1: character comes on, I have a lot of struggle with
Speaker 1: your name, a lot of struggles. She'll call your character
Speaker 1: Louise Lewis all these different things, and it's become this
Speaker 1: running joke on the podcast. And so we did recently
Speaker 1: order merch that it says Louise Lewis Lewis.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I love that, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And it's all based on your character. Yeah, so we
Speaker 3: needed you. So no, we're wearing them right now.
Speaker 5: Oh I wish I could sign it for you.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Collectors. So we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are the honorable Judge Lois Preston. This is amazing.
Speaker 1: You're the first recording judge we've talked to because we
Speaker 1: did teach We did talk to Tom Scarett, who was
Speaker 1: an evil judge, and you were in that episode.
Speaker 3: You were in the Tom Scared episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, where he was the corrupt judge.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yes, there were some very you know, come and go
Speaker 6: and in fact, in the episode that you're talking about
Speaker 6: pop there was Olympiad caucus. Yes, well I was not
Speaker 6: the judge when she was in the courtroom, but she
Speaker 6: was there on the set, and I was just like,
Speaker 6: you know, I got for clumped.
Speaker 5: I cried, I couldn't say anything.
Speaker 6: And I finally it was like dinner time or something,
Speaker 6: and I sat down with her at a table and
Speaker 6: I just went, hello, how do you do?
Speaker 5: I'm the judge in another section of this How do
Speaker 5: you do? She said? She finished her meal and she left.
Speaker 5: She was working.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean, she was already, she
Speaker 6: was in, she was working.
Speaker 5: I could tell she was, so I didn't bother her
Speaker 5: the whole meal.
Speaker 1: I just kind of, yeah, Olympia du Caucus seemed like
Speaker 1: she didn't take any nonsense from anybody.
Speaker 5: No, you know, I know, well, and it wasn't. She
Speaker 5: wasn't being rude, and no, yeah, she's working, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 6: And I sat down and then I just kind of
Speaker 6: gazed at her working. Why she ate, which was the
Speaker 6: mustard made her feel very uncomfortable. I look back at
Speaker 6: the people I've worked with, and you know, people say,
Speaker 6: what Clint East would really like, you know, and I go,
Speaker 6: he's exactly who you think he is. He is exactly
Speaker 6: what except for the you know, the clown shoes and
Speaker 6: the big red nose that he wears to the set.
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's nothing. You know, No, he doesn't.
Speaker 6: He's exactly who you think he is, you know, but
Speaker 6: famous people. Robin Williams did one of the shows, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, and I was the judge on that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we go way back.
Speaker 6: I worked with Robin and the Comedy Store Players out
Speaker 6: in la in nineteen eighty, nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he was doing morecan mindy and or he had just
Speaker 6: gotten it, But anyway, he would been with the Comedy
Speaker 6: Store Players and a couple of us from Chicago.
Speaker 5: You came from Chicago too, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I grew up He's Inkchi and then I started comedy
Speaker 2: everything in Chicago.
Speaker 5: Did you ever do Second City? Did you ever go there?
Speaker 1: I take any classes, but then once I found stand up,
Speaker 1: I stopped going to class. I really enjoyed my my
Speaker 1: nighttime gremlin lifestyle, so I stopped.
Speaker 6: Well, it's also a real choice, isn't a stand up
Speaker 6: or Second City? Because I mean second city you're working
Speaker 6: with a lot of other people and you're dependent on
Speaker 6: them for the yes, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: if you're up there on your own you got to
Speaker 6: do that, yes, and yourself you got to keep that
Speaker 6: ball absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you two. That's so different, isn't it?
Speaker 3: It is it is.
Speaker 1: I felt like improv was positive. It was like we
Speaker 1: got you, I got your back, We're here.
Speaker 2: And then stand ups were a little more darker, and
Speaker 2: I kind of gravit stated towards that under.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long were you in Chicago?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: For years and years.
Speaker 6: I graduated from Barrack College up in Lake Forest, Illinois
Speaker 6: at north to Chicago, and we had been to Second City,
Speaker 6: but you know, during college years.
Speaker 5: So I said, yeah, that's where I'm going. I want
Speaker 5: to go there, And.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was there for only really for like seven
Speaker 6: years before I moved to LA for like a decade
Speaker 6: and then came back to New York because a girl
Speaker 6: broker leg and I had to open on Broadway, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. And it was I really I've
Speaker 6: had one of those type of experiences. And no, I
Speaker 6: didn't do LA until after I did Broadway. And then
Speaker 6: then I got noticed by somebody there when I did
Speaker 6: Broadway and they said, come to LA and do not
Speaker 6: necessarily the news and that was another comedy show.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we did the Comedy Zone up in Canada
Speaker 6: and that and no, no, we did the Comedy Zone
Speaker 6: in New York. That was with New York Playwrights and
Speaker 6: Jerry Gutierres was the New York direct and we did
Speaker 6: scenes and that was a CBS series. But it only
Speaker 6: lasted like six months. You know, So comedy doesn't last, right.
Speaker 6: It's always a hustle, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other like any other people where
Speaker 1: you got to set at SVU and you were like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe they're going to be
Speaker 1: in my courtroom today.
Speaker 2: Because what's cool about being the judge is you get
Speaker 2: to see the guest stars, the victims, the villains, all
Speaker 2: the different ways, all the detectives, all the back everybody.
Speaker 6: I get everybody, and at the gang from SVU was
Speaker 6: always very cool with me.
Speaker 5: They would come up. Well.
Speaker 6: I had a thing also to get people to come
Speaker 6: up to the desk. Came up, come up to the bench.
Speaker 6: But I would take in chocolate covered espresso beans.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, cute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the worst, like a charm.
Speaker 6: Because everything is going on around you as the judge,
Speaker 6: everything is going on out there, okay, and you're just
Speaker 6: sitting here. The cameras are all facing everybody else. They're
Speaker 6: facing you know, Mariska and and you know, everybody in
Speaker 6: the stands, and they're facing the lawyers and everybody. Everybody
Speaker 6: is from here or the person who is testifying, and
Speaker 6: you know, so that's sometimes you'll get an over the shot,
Speaker 6: but most of the time you're completely off camera. I
Speaker 6: always had the the Martini shot, you know, the last
Speaker 6: shot of the night. Well, that's it's it's a wrap,
Speaker 6: it's Martini time. So because I would sit there all
Speaker 6: day and if I didn't have my lines by the
Speaker 6: end of the day, because I had to keep saying
Speaker 6: the lines during the scenes, you know, objection overruled or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, you can't stop having babies and killing them.
Speaker 6: Million dollars bail, oh my god, yes, boo, oh my god,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Them all of course. That's a classic. And yeah, where
Speaker 1: you're like, do you think you could maybe not get
Speaker 1: pregnant in the nest? And she's like, I really can't
Speaker 1: promise that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, okay, million dollars.
Speaker 2: Did you always agree with Judge Preston's rulings.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was there's just nothing, you know,
Speaker 6: they wrote for her, it was called the toughest judge
Speaker 6: in New York. That's that was my rep there at
Speaker 6: the at the thing. I haven't done one in years.
Speaker 6: I'd love to do another one, but.
Speaker 1: They yeah, Top was your last one, and I think
Speaker 1: we was it, Yeah, Crimean chronologically it was the last
Speaker 1: one that you did.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But I get recognized most often for sudden impact
Speaker 6: and the judge of course, because as for you, because
Speaker 6: we're in people's homes, we're in your bedroom, we're in
Speaker 6: your living room, we're in your kitchen, and with the
Speaker 6: most awful story, we're just almost the shuddering I mean
Speaker 6: in the violence happens off camera. That's you know, what's
Speaker 6: very noir about the whole thing is that you you
Speaker 6: don't often see the beatings the child. You know, you
Speaker 6: know the one I don't remember.
Speaker 5: The name of it.
Speaker 6: It's the one John Larrakatt, which I admire him so much.
Speaker 5: We had a great time.
Speaker 1: But you know, the episode you're talking about with John
Speaker 1: larra Catt is actually called Anchor, and that's from season eleven,
Speaker 1: and it's all about like people being immigration and people
Speaker 1: being racist against immigrants.
Speaker 3: And it's like we watch these episodes all the time.
Speaker 1: We can't believe how SVU, like so little has changed
Speaker 1: in a lot of the things that they talk about.
Speaker 6: You know, I have to tell you, I was sitting
Speaker 6: in the makeup chair for that episode and was already
Speaker 6: just like horrified at the episode, you know, And this
Speaker 6: little kid comes in, and one of the little kids
Speaker 6: who was killed. I guess, yeah, And she said to
Speaker 6: the makeup woman, she said, can you the director wants
Speaker 6: me to have.
Speaker 5: Some more blood around my neck around the chain or
Speaker 5: the chain. No, it needs some more blood.
Speaker 6: And I'm looking at this thing, no bigger than a
Speaker 6: minute and beautiful and with this mark surround her neck.
Speaker 5: And the makeup girl says sure.
Speaker 6: I mean they have they have to have iron you know,
Speaker 6: constitutions there at that show.
Speaker 5: So she says sure.
Speaker 6: And I had just gotten a racist thing from somebody,
Speaker 6: an old friend who's no longer a friend. And it
Speaker 6: was over this text that she sent me right at
Speaker 6: that moment when I was seeing this child. She sent
Speaker 6: me some something about Mexicans something.
Speaker 5: And I just lost it.
Speaker 6: And I told her she better confessed to her pretty
Speaker 6: stently better. I lost lost the friendship. It's over because
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 3: We're on that set. That's so wild.
Speaker 6: While I was on this set, because how much can
Speaker 6: you take seeing a baby child with chain around its neck?
Speaker 6: And then complete the episode where you know, the guy
Speaker 6: says I'm free to do more, right?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: Then he got elected president.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to mention, speaking of hair and makeup,
Speaker 2: I watched all of your your moments yesterday, a different
Speaker 2: hairstyle every episode, right right.
Speaker 3: Always take a fun new haird no wonder.
Speaker 5: You're always There were some barrels, there.
Speaker 2: Were some curls, some little bobs half up, half down.
Speaker 6: This these these episodes that I did were like twenty
Speaker 6: five years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the show has been on, it's in season twenty
Speaker 1: seven right now.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you've been in our lives.
Speaker 6: I have been grateful for every minute. I mean, well,
Speaker 6: of course, not to mention the residuals.
Speaker 2: That was actually one of my questions. I want to Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's how's that working?
Speaker 3: Okay? Great?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean they I don't know what the
Speaker 6: base pay is anymore, and I don't know what it
Speaker 6: was ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know it's television. It's funny.
Speaker 6: Television and theater don't really pay but the residuals are
Speaker 6: like a fine wine that just keeps.
Speaker 5: Getting better and better, you know.
Speaker 6: And I mean I made sudden impact in eighty three
Speaker 6: eighty four, and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It just delivers like weekly.
Speaker 6: Wow, so oh please, this Beau and the SBU and
Speaker 6: all of the law and Orders get shown all over
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 5: We get we get residuals from Spain.
Speaker 6: And Portugal and Germany and Sweden. We're big in Sweden
Speaker 6: and the Netherlands. I mean, it's just the residuals are
Speaker 6: like manna from heaven.
Speaker 5: You know, you can't count on it.
Speaker 6: You know, it just drops and you know it's either
Speaker 6: wine money or rent money, you know, and if you
Speaker 6: if you're lucky enough, it's somewhere in between. And because
Speaker 6: you're sharing that space with a lot of New York actors.
Speaker 6: So a lot of New York actors have been paying
Speaker 6: the rent with these residuals all these years, Yeah, they
Speaker 6: have employed. It's not uncommon. It's it's in fact, it's
Speaker 6: quite common to see Law and Order in every playbill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye for it, I look for it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do too.
Speaker 3: Or else.
Speaker 2: I saw someone on Death Becomes Her and I was
Speaker 2: like he was in an SVU for sure.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that guy I saw him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see what streaming will do to the
Speaker 1: future of that because the residuals just aren't the same
Speaker 1: and like, and there's not the same twenty two episodes,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah season. Like we talked to so many
Speaker 1: actors who are have such interesting careers and have been
Speaker 1: able to do all this these different things and have
Speaker 1: had highs and lows, and it just I don't know
Speaker 1: that people will hang on for as long if they
Speaker 1: don't have like, you know, residuals and stuff like that
Speaker 1: that kind of kept them going. You're not going to
Speaker 1: see people that work for forty years or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: with out getting like regular work. You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I have been lucky to make my living at this.
Speaker 6: I haven't been a waitress since nineteen.
Speaker 5: Seventy six.
Speaker 3: Were in New York.
Speaker 6: But when you were no, No, I was a waitress
Speaker 6: in Chicago, well Mark mel Mark on uh Eatery in
Speaker 6: Lincoln Park.
Speaker 5: I lived on the North Side. Where did you live
Speaker 5: in the.
Speaker 3: I lived in Bucktown and Roscoe Village.
Speaker 5: See these are neighborhoods. They came on after I left.
Speaker 1: You know what, I did want to ask you if
Speaker 1: you went to Old Town Alehouse, if that was a
Speaker 1: place across the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was across the street from Second City.
Speaker 3: You know, I love that bar.
Speaker 5: I was in Second City from like seventy.
Speaker 3: Three. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And we didn't you didn't used to have to take classes. Well,
Speaker 6: there was a class. Joe Forresburg taught a class, and
Speaker 6: a bunch of us who.
Speaker 5: Came up in the same companies.
Speaker 6: Went to Joe Forresburgh's classes or Dell Close and Del
Speaker 6: Close would just grab you by the breast, you know,
Speaker 6: and say you've had a class. You know, Dell Close
Speaker 6: was a serious problem as well as a serious genius.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was in New York, so I was operated to
Speaker 1: as this brigade for all my improv stuff. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: did the Dell Close marathon and we all prayed at
Speaker 1: the Church of del Clothes for a long time. Not me,
Speaker 1: but like you had to read the books for your
Speaker 1: classes and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well you know he was.
Speaker 6: You know, there's the story of him putting his arm
Speaker 6: off stage, you know that one.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know anything of this.
Speaker 6: Dell once took a hit some one of the other ones,
Speaker 6: one of his other compatriots backstage there say Kamara, Kamara
Speaker 6: got a hit for you that was, you know, some
Speaker 6: dope in the.
Speaker 5: So he he was on stage at the moment, so
Speaker 5: he just went off.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you're familiar with the Second
Speaker 6: City stage, but you can just go off and you
Speaker 6: can still be on and put your arm off. And
Speaker 6: he so the story went, He put his arm off,
Speaker 6: the guy tied him off, shot him up, and he
Speaker 6: came back. But I wouldn't put it past him, and
Speaker 6: he was just that, he was, oh.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh, no, no, thank you.
Speaker 5: I have a thing. I have a theory. Time is
Speaker 5: on time.
Speaker 6: Well, my friend and dear little brother, like the late
Speaker 6: Jerry Gutierras, had asked me to do this play in
Speaker 6: Chicago and it was called Cursive an Aching Heart, and
Speaker 6: it was the It was a follow up to Hogan's
Speaker 6: Goat that had been done with Faye done Away in
Speaker 6: New York, and Faye Dunaway made her Broadway debut. I
Speaker 6: believe in Hogan's Goat, so I said yes, I'll do it.
Speaker 6: And a year and a half later, when we were
Speaker 6: supposed to be doing it. Some film got destroyed and
Speaker 6: I had to go up for a reshoot at Mackinaw
Speaker 6: Island for Somewhere in Time, where I played an actress
Speaker 6: in the Traveling Acting Company with Seymour, Jane Seymour. When
Speaker 6: she went off and spoke to Christopher Reeve in the audience,
Speaker 6: I was on stage with her, and that film had
Speaker 6: been somehow altered or destroyed and we had to do
Speaker 6: a reshoot up and it got right in the middle
Speaker 6: of when the play would be opening in Chicago. I said,
Speaker 6: I can't, I got to do this. He brought in
Speaker 6: Mary Lou Risotto. She stayed in my apartment. I went
Speaker 6: up and did reshoots, came back. Mary Lou was done
Speaker 6: with the play and had gone home back to New York,
Speaker 6: and I moved to LA and came back to Chicago
Speaker 6: to do some plays and got the call. And I
Speaker 6: was in between Second City. I was going back in
Speaker 6: on Tin Types. I was performing in Tin Time. I
Speaker 6: said it was going back into the company in Second City,
Speaker 6: and I stopped at my house to change clothes. They
Speaker 6: were in between, and Uh, I got the call from
Speaker 6: Jerry Gouteris. Mary Louis Outo has broken her leg. We're
Speaker 6: opening on Broadway in ten days. Can you be here
Speaker 6: in New York tomorrow? And I said yes, I'll be there,
Speaker 6: and I didn't.
Speaker 5: Mention I was.
Speaker 6: I said yes, I'm out of ten types right now
Speaker 6: because I have a back injury. But he said can
Speaker 6: you roller skate? And I said I could be taught.
Speaker 6: So that's how Mary Lou had broken her leg. She
Speaker 6: was roller skating. God yeah, and in a rehearsal hall
Speaker 6: and had broken her leg. So I had to come
Speaker 6: in and I had to meet Faye Dunaway and we
Speaker 6: did the whole thing and again, and I got the
Speaker 6: you know, of course they I got the part because
Speaker 6: what with else are they going to do?
Speaker 5: Was ten days?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: I meet Fage on Away and they say, I came
Speaker 6: in from New Chicago overnight and I said, you know, oh,
Speaker 6: I dropped my bags. I came right from the airport.
Speaker 6: And they said, can you look at the script? And
Speaker 6: I said, oh, sure, went in the other room and
Speaker 6: I looked at the script, which I was kind of
Speaker 6: familiar with anyway, and I came back in and I
Speaker 6: did this scene and they went, okay, could you leave
Speaker 6: the room for a second, And I went okay. And
Speaker 6: I went out of the room and they went, okay,
Speaker 6: come back, and you got it, okay.
Speaker 5: I guess they had to get a nod from her
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 6: Well, within like two days they had to ask me
Speaker 6: to stop handling her.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Well, I was like grabbing onto her.
Speaker 6: We do this scene where we're like fourteen and sixteen
Speaker 6: years old, and we I must have been just like
Speaker 6: grabbing onto her. Well, anyway, I have to tell you
Speaker 6: this story about the lost prop about okay, so that
Speaker 6: we come out, we're fourteen years old. In the first
Speaker 6: scene we come out, I put on my roller skates.
Speaker 6: She's already in her roller skates and skating around the stage.
Speaker 5: And I come out and I say grand and Fran.
Speaker 6: And as I'm putting on my skates, I say Lugs,
Speaker 6: And as her boyfriend who's to become her husband in
Speaker 6: the play, Lugs give me a letter for you. And
Speaker 6: the letter contains a ring that she wears for their
Speaker 6: entire life. And but now we're fourteen and the letter
Speaker 6: is in my sock. Only the letter is not in
Speaker 6: my sock this night. Now I have jammed this entire
Speaker 6: play into my head in ten days and William Alfred
Speaker 6: kept coming into rehearsals and even during previews with full
Speaker 6: pages for me. He'd give me this and he say,
Speaker 6: can you put this in tonight? And it was you know,
Speaker 6: good Terarist said control but yes, okay, so okay. So
Speaker 6: there was there was the letter, and I knew where
Speaker 6: it was. It was downstairs in the dressing room. Well,
Speaker 6: as the skates were going on, I'm just like, I'm freaking.
Speaker 5: Out because I know that letter is not there.
Speaker 6: And now she always says, and I say, fran Loves,
Speaker 6: give me a letter for you.
Speaker 5: She says, bring it here and let's read it.
Speaker 6: We put our feet over the side of the stage
Speaker 6: that's where we were lit and read the letter.
Speaker 5: Well, fran Loves, give me a letter for you. She
Speaker 5: s bring it here.
Speaker 6: Before she could sit down on the stage, I had
Speaker 6: to say, I want brand, but I lost it. Now
Speaker 6: Faye dune Away comes up to me, skates over to
Speaker 6: me and puts her hand, her nail flight into my
Speaker 6: shoulder and she goes standing there. I'm sitting on an
Speaker 6: apple cart. She said, you lost it, and I said yeah.
Speaker 5: But I read it first. Fran you read it, and.
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, it said deir Frand and still skating
Speaker 6: down into the light. This was sitting on the apple
Speaker 6: box while her hand slowly let up as I recited
Speaker 6: the entire letter and then and then I turned to
Speaker 6: her and I said, and there was a ring friend,
Speaker 6: But I'll find that ring.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 6: It wasn't until two scenes later we were able to
Speaker 6: contact each other. We had different things to do and
Speaker 6: exits and stuff, and we were riding out on a
Speaker 6: trolley car and she said, how the fuck did you
Speaker 6: to that?
Speaker 5: And I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You got that's the improv training, that's the improv. Well,
Speaker 1: a preparation I mean to have, yeah, memorized that you
Speaker 1: might not have.
Speaker 5: Well, it went in. It didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't mean to memorize it, but it just everything
Speaker 6: just got jammed in there so fast that it survived.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: She was all right. She was an all right egg.
Speaker 6: She had a tough time, you know, coming back, but.
Speaker 5: She was all right.
Speaker 3: And you were in the departed.
Speaker 6: I was in the departed, the departed. I was in
Speaker 6: the departed. I'd played Nuns and Judges, you know, I did.
Speaker 6: I did Sister Act the musical, you know, on Broadway,
Speaker 6: and I did at the Mary Wicks part in.
Speaker 3: That, you know, and you were in dowb. I don't
Speaker 3: think you were, Oh you were a sister.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I was. I'm sitting on the at the table with
Speaker 6: her having dinner, you know, and she was so unbelievably present.
Speaker 6: And the moment that we were watching a rehearsal for
Speaker 6: the for the children's holiday show and we're sitting there
Speaker 6: and we had just discussed going to get some coffee,
Speaker 6: and then we said no, I'll just sit here. And
Speaker 6: we sat there and talked while they set the lights
Speaker 6: for this scene. And for the first time in my life,
Speaker 6: I know we shot the scene, but I cannot tell
Speaker 6: you where the camera was.
Speaker 5: I have no idea where the camera was. They just
Speaker 5: said we're ready to shoot. We shot.
Speaker 6: We were concentrated on the children, and you know the
Speaker 6: discussion we were having about makeup and this and that.
Speaker 6: And I tell you that night I went home and
Speaker 6: I went, it's that camera. And to this day I
Speaker 6: can't figure out where that camera was. And I've seen
Speaker 6: the film, I've seen the scene. I still can't figure
Speaker 6: out where the camera was. And there wasn't anything self
Speaker 6: diffused about it. They weren't hiding it. It was just
Speaker 6: that you're aware of these things, you know, working with
Speaker 6: Meryl Streep, you just you just do the work and
Speaker 6: you're you're on another plane. You just kind of lift
Speaker 6: up and your feet take off and nobody says to you,
Speaker 6: there's the camera.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. You're just you don't think
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 6: Do you?
Speaker 1: As judge Lois Preston, did you have any preferences vers
Speaker 1: of being in chambers versus being on the bench.
Speaker 5: I liked when it was in chambers. They let me
Speaker 5: put up pictures.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but they walk and talk between the chambers
Speaker 6: and the and the and the bench.
Speaker 5: That's not easy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talk about the deal all the time with people
Speaker 1: we interview. Were like, how didn't you know that much
Speaker 1: medical jargon while you were walking?
Speaker 5: Oh? I know, I know?
Speaker 6: And how much legal My first walk and talk I
Speaker 6: kind of got tripped up, you know, And I think
Speaker 6: I was a little bit. I think I only had
Speaker 6: one or two, but this this one, I was just
Speaker 6: like and I can remember being in the hallway. I
Speaker 6: think that was when I had knocked my teeth out
Speaker 6: knock wood. I had an accident leaving the stage where
Speaker 6: I knocked out my teeth, Yeah, and but I knock
Speaker 6: wood all the times that didn't touch my eyes.
Speaker 5: You know, I landed on a chair.
Speaker 6: So so I say, I've taken a chair to the face,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And I survived and that
Speaker 6: was a review in the theater. But some of the
Speaker 6: teeth went away and I had to have some replacements
Speaker 6: put in and some work done, and that work that
Speaker 6: show where I did the walk and talk, I had
Speaker 6: only like half the teeth I had.
Speaker 5: Some something was wrong I was.
Speaker 6: I just remembered saying to the DP, so you're not
Speaker 6: really seeing inside mouth? Are You are kind of staying
Speaker 6: away from that, aren't we? So I just kind of
Speaker 6: remember that being kind of distracting. And Mariska said, do
Speaker 6: you need some help? And I went yes, and she
Speaker 6: just said this is what you do and she kind
Speaker 6: of walked me through it and it just completely I
Speaker 6: put my shoulders down, and I was so grateful. She
Speaker 6: was always very kind. Couldn't have been nicer. And a
Speaker 6: bunch of them came to see me do a play
Speaker 6: Kristen Rag's piece that I did at the Public Theater.
Speaker 5: Why torture is Wrong?
Speaker 6: And the people who love them or I kept getting
Speaker 6: to drop my underpants kept dropping. I mean, what a
Speaker 6: gift is that? What kind of a gift is that
Speaker 6: of a role?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 6: You get to keep dropping your underpants. So anyway, a
Speaker 6: bunch of them came to see the show.
Speaker 2: Wait, we've been talking about like people, are there any
Speaker 2: new actors that you admire their work or you can't
Speaker 2: wait to see? Like, are there any new up and
Speaker 2: becoming actors that you're in too?
Speaker 5: Well, there's not. He's not so much up and coming.
Speaker 5: But what's his name?
Speaker 6: The Irish boy who's got a movie out now about
Speaker 6: gambling in macau.
Speaker 3: Is it Paul no Oh?
Speaker 2: Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell, Colin I abdure Colline, Oh, I
Speaker 2: adure Colin Farrell.
Speaker 6: It's all I've won the street once in the East
Speaker 6: Village and it's just I shutter. I think I think
Speaker 6: he's terrific and I think he's got a lot of range.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wait, we also have to ask one more thing
Speaker 3: you were in Friends?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, and the one where Joey, Joey gets a
Speaker 6: Joey gets his uh his place, Joey gets his own
Speaker 6: a place, his own apartment. That's what the one which
Speaker 6: and he yeah, we sing happy birthday. The parents are
Speaker 6: upstairs fucking in the shower and we're we're we are we.
Speaker 5: Sing Happy birthday, bringing in the cake. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 6: One line, Oh, she probably has something about her kits
Speaker 6: press that are still standing straight up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember this line from nineteen ninety something like five.
Speaker 6: That's wild because it got a laugh. If it's a
Speaker 6: laugh line, you remember, lever, I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: In the movie you go ahead and make my day,
Speaker 6: you know, I played a woman who gang raped, set
Speaker 6: up a gang rape for two sisters. Oh right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: and one girl is catatonic. The younger sister is catatonic
Speaker 6: after the rape. This gang rape underneath the boardwalk, and
Speaker 6: I taught them about well they're being raped by the way,
Speaker 6: and her older sister comes back and kills everybody who
Speaker 6: was involved in the rape. And I know that she's
Speaker 6: in town and killing people. So when she comes to
Speaker 6: kill me, she's got a gun aimed at me. And
Speaker 6: here's a line that's your slut sister.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: That's my last to the very end. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: So I've done some scary things, but mostly I do
Speaker 6: funny things.
Speaker 5: Right, So you you women know what that is.
Speaker 6: That's lifting your soul, that's feeding your soul to go
Speaker 6: out there and make people laugh. It's the most goddamn seductive.
Speaker 5: Thing there is.
Speaker 6: It's seductive for them, and it's seductive for you, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you're the best.
Speaker 5: Give you prop You're the best.
Speaker 1: This was so amazing. Thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time to talk to us.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. I had a good time.
Speaker 3: Thanks hearing everything. Yes, good, a great.
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying the podcast now too.
Speaker 6: So who would ever get so I'm enjoying it now,
Speaker 6: so I'll be listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear all the times I mispronounce your name, Lewis.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what a dream, what a lovely
Speaker 1: I love meeting these people who are like just career
Speaker 1: actors with all these stories and what a memory, great
Speaker 1: memory lines from decades ago, little moments, the espresso beans.
Speaker 3: But we've been chased center down. I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it couldn't have happened at a better time. A
Speaker 1: Christmas miracle, A Christmas miracle. We got the subject of
Speaker 1: our Louis Luis T shirt on the pod. The best
Speaker 1: T shirts still available you probably won't get it for Christmas,
Speaker 1: but you can not at this point, I think, But
Speaker 1: you can get it for a little New Year's treat
Speaker 1: on New Year's treet.
Speaker 3: But yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: I love that she remembers the guest stars, the attorneys,
Speaker 2: all the moments with the detectives their and makeup the plot.
Speaker 2: Plus I mean it was like Dunaway story, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: I barely read a script when it's not my part,
Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine memorizing like the Yatters and everything.
Speaker 1: And she named names, which I enjoy. She gave us,
Speaker 1: you know, she gave us a lot of tea and
Speaker 1: a lot of attitude. Dell Close doing Heroin in the Doorways,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Lois was giving the t for sure.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And Sbu does need to bring her back and maybe
Speaker 1: they need to like help her do something like she
Speaker 1: reaches out to them or do they even do recurring
Speaker 1: judges anymore?
Speaker 3: Like I don't think about that.
Speaker 2: They well, yeah, the soprano's sister, But is she still
Speaker 2: into the into the current?
Speaker 3: To me? She is, but yeah, I hate it. Let's
Speaker 3: see what her list one.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a sopranos sister, I mean we had Dreya's
Speaker 1: to Matteo on.
Speaker 2: This week sixteen episodes up until so she was from
Speaker 2: season fourteen until it says twenty seven. She's in season
Speaker 2: twenty seven, episode one, and they wind all right. I
Speaker 2: would say, okay, he's the one, because all the men
Speaker 2: end up always being in the the big busts of chess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pedophilia judges basically every time they do like Adelia,
Speaker 1: they've got to just wipe the whole slate of all
Speaker 1: the male judges and like only the female judges survive.
Speaker 3: That's so true. Yeah, they get swept up in the sweeps. Baby.
Speaker 1: But speaking of sopranos, this episode, Dreya's de Matteo does
Speaker 1: a great job.
Speaker 3: Too bad she's gone a little bit logo. This is
Speaker 3: a dang.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't have kids if you don't want to
Speaker 1: be a parent. But if you're gonna be a parent,
Speaker 1: why don't you Why don't you be a parent? Why
Speaker 1: don't you put your kid before a stepfather that beats them?
Speaker 2: Like, go fuck yourself? Sorry, people are I would never.
Speaker 2: I would never. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I know it's like more complicated than that.
Speaker 1: But she made a lot of excuses and she did
Speaker 1: a lot of acting for the cops in this episode.
Speaker 3: Right, they both got away with it, like I'll tell
Speaker 3: you that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were smart enough to conspire and know the
Speaker 1: law and know about how double Jeopardy works and stuff
Speaker 1: and how you know both can't be uh, you know
Speaker 1: you both can't like do you excuse I mean? But
Speaker 1: then they kind of did that plot again for the
Speaker 1: Ballad of Dwight and Arena. So interesting. I wonder how
Speaker 1: close to the real I'm sure our law our law
Speaker 1: girlies will let us know how close said is. Like
Speaker 1: if many people just both confess, they both just get
Speaker 1: to leave.
Speaker 3: Kara. I went to Marie's crisis.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, it's like a Broadway bar
Speaker 2: in New York where there's a piano guy and people sing,
Speaker 2: and I got to saying, they both, they.
Speaker 3: Both, they both, they both.
Speaker 2: It was so fun like sometimes people are like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's theater people, so they know the deep cuts and
Speaker 2: so it's not very on for me.
Speaker 3: But this guy was just.
Speaker 1: Hit Hit Hit Chicago La Miss Grease, Hairspray, like what
Speaker 1: I love that we would know and so I but
Speaker 1: when I got to sing the gun, I obviously thought
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 1: I like sometimes when they do too many of like
Speaker 1: the B side ballads from a show that you've never
Speaker 1: heard of. You're like, this is from assassins, Like okay,
Speaker 1: what Like, yeah, I just and good for them.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they have a place to sing. Yeah, weird songs.
Speaker 2: But when I'm there, I want the hits and I
Speaker 2: got But no, I was gonna say, I like when
Speaker 2: people answer at the same time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: when like Trey Mateo and the Sun at the same time,
Speaker 2: we're like, it's.
Speaker 3: Me, it was me me, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Me, Okay, I speaking of Broadway. Yeah, this episode tough stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, just fucking the depravity. It's like, yeah, people
Speaker 1: have been like smacking their kids around.
Speaker 3: That's like not something new on the show.
Speaker 1: But it's like betting on your child, beating up smaller children.
Speaker 3: It's like another level of well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean early seasons we had someone adopting a boy
Speaker 1: to get him murdered to get a payout.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people are crazy. We need to protect children.
Speaker 2: Never forget the raw adopters. Oh my god, that's so true.
Speaker 2: That's so sick. But yeah, but this is not gonna
Speaker 2: make any excuse, not like Moby Dick White Whale. But
Speaker 2: I would say Judge Preston is someone we've been really
Speaker 2: gunning for. I don't know why I wanted to get her,
Speaker 2: and she gave us everything. I mean, you guys are
Speaker 2: getting the best. I mean, it was tough to edit,
Speaker 2: I would say, I will tell it.
Speaker 1: We talked to her for an hour and a half
Speaker 1: over yeah, an hour and forty two minutes we talked,
Speaker 1: So it was incredible. So big ups to Casey for
Speaker 1: editing that down to something that you guys could listen to.
Speaker 1: And I feel bad for you guys that you don't
Speaker 1: get to hear more, to be honest, because so many
Speaker 1: good stories and tales and remember and I love her
Speaker 1: bringing up Colin Ferrell being an up and coming I.
Speaker 3: Mean he was not.
Speaker 1: We're like, who do you like that's up and coming?
Speaker 1: Colin Farrell? Amazing. It seemed like she had a crush
Speaker 1: on Colin Farrell. Maybe she's seen his sex tape. I
Speaker 1: kind of had a crush on him more after I
Speaker 1: saw his sex tape.
Speaker 3: I I really I thought I like him. I like
Speaker 3: Colin Farrell. Oh me too.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen one movie he's ever done,
Speaker 2: but I like him.
Speaker 3: Let me look at his IMDb. Hold on, oh I have?
Speaker 1: I mean also TV shows too, I guess, like True
Speaker 1: Detective and stuff.
Speaker 3: But what are let's.
Speaker 2: See I'm gonna see if I've seen his movie. I
Speaker 2: will want to watch the Penguin since he won the
Speaker 2: award and stuff. She's of Scheran. Can you imagine that, Shearon?
Speaker 2: That's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see the Lobster, but I did see
Speaker 1: the other.
Speaker 3: Isn't he in Killing of a Sacred Deer? Yes?
Speaker 2: I did see that one. Not I would see the Beguiles.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen solid. I didn't want his season of.
Speaker 1: Shoot you didn't watch the Dumbo reboot? Are you out
Speaker 1: of the live action Dumbo?
Speaker 2: I actually was screaming at people yesterday about how against
Speaker 2: I am a against uh. Things should be made into cartoons,
Speaker 2: not cartoons, right, vis It makes no sense saving mister
Speaker 2: bank snow. Okay, Farrel's in Horrible Bosses and he's in
Speaker 2: Seven Psychopaths. I saw that. That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 2: I've seen Seven Psychopaths and I've seen Horrible Bosses.
Speaker 3: But you're right, I know him so much more as
Speaker 3: just a hot man. I have not seen so many.
Speaker 2: Of these movies that I have not seen another movie
Speaker 2: but Veronica Gern I should remember for the movie Game,
Speaker 2: Kate Blenchett, let's get that in my head. I know
Speaker 2: about Phone Booth. Oh, I watched Minority Report this year
Speaker 2: because I'm yeah, like the Recruit, Daredevil, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, I never I don't. I've never seen any
Speaker 2: of the Alexander. Alexander was like his version of like
Speaker 2: Troy Yeah yeah or no, what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Should I name more one from the one Gladiator?
Speaker 1: You know what? It felt like that kind of type
Speaker 1: of movie. But yes, you had the exact same.
Speaker 2: So I've seen three out of his sixty seven credits.
Speaker 2: But he's been a part of my life and he
Speaker 2: is hot and that's important.
Speaker 1: And then true Detective, he's amazing. I've never seen fantastic Beasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Oh Widows. I saw Widows. We know,
Speaker 1: I fucking love Widows. I did not Widows. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I did like Widows con like not for real, but
Speaker 1: like I was like throwing up w's taking photos of
Speaker 1: myself at the movie theater.
Speaker 3: Like I love Widows.
Speaker 1: Oh the first time I saw Cynthia Rivo. Yes, dude,
Speaker 1: she's a pretty big part of Widows and she's twenty
Speaker 1: five people down on the on the list on IMDb.
Speaker 3: I had to go to more cast. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I saw Cynthia Rivo, and I
Speaker 1: think was because I had not seen her in any
Speaker 1: of her like live theater. But tune in next week
Speaker 1: for our recaps of my recap of for Good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, do you want to get into what has
Speaker 3: changed within me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can't believe you got to do don't reach? They
Speaker 1: both reached for the gun. That's such a fun one
Speaker 1: was electric it? Oh yes, did you just slow down part? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: So everything you know you were with the theater geeks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all the little moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got the best booth, Like there's like
Speaker 2: one table that's amazing, and we had it because if
Speaker 2: there wasn't, if I wasn't at that table, I would.
Speaker 1: Have left very quickly. Oh, we had Like I've never
Speaker 1: been there. I maybe some of those other like Don't
Speaker 1: Tell Mama's, I've been to some of those other Broadway bars,
Speaker 1: but I've never been to Marie's crisis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's become a thing for me, but
Speaker 2: I'm not happy about it.
Speaker 1: Tell the people how they can help, Okay the people.
Speaker 3: Let's get to what would Sister Peg do.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards,
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Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about today.
Speaker 3: And this week we're pointing you.
Speaker 1: I felt like, after seeing Drea de Matteo's character struggling
Speaker 1: in this relationship, I wanted to point to a domestic
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Speaker 1: ensuring every woman and girl has the opportunity to reach
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Oh now we have to talk about what we're doing
Speaker 1: next week because it's different.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, do you want to do it? Do you
Speaker 2: want to double duty? Well, let me try and then
Speaker 2: you can make it more professional. Remember I was at
Speaker 2: a party with a killer. So no, we're going to
Speaker 2: be doing something, yeah, different from the holidays. We've never
Speaker 2: done anything like it. And we're going to watch death
Speaker 2: and Apartment six. So three what Happened to Ellen Greenberg?
Speaker 2: It's a three part doc on Hulu and we are
Speaker 2: going to be speaking to the director of the doc
Speaker 2: and we're going to do a deep dive fully into
Speaker 2: this case and documentary with the director of the documentary,
Speaker 2: who is such an accomplished person. And it was Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we hope you enjoy this and get enraged with
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 3: You know this this episode we're doing that's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just wanted to do something a little bit
Speaker 1: different for the holidays, and so we're giving you this
Speaker 1: fun little deep dive documentary thing where we talk with
Speaker 1: Nancy Schwartzman. So it's gonna be great. Tune in next week.
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, everybody, see you next week.
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