1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: On this episode of Lines in Times. He's won Redcrest 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: three times. With Major League Fishing, it's their biggest championship 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: of the year. Each one is worth three hundred thousand dollars. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: We're going to speak to Dustin Connell. Dustin has been 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: fishing since he was a little kid. He's also a 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: big outdoorsman, and we're going to get into the controversies 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: that surround bass fishing in general, Ford facing Sonar disqualifications, 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: information rule. But we're also going to talk about the 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: success that he's had as a hunter. We'll talk about 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: the success that he's had as a first time dad 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: of a one year old. That's all coming up, but 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: first I wanted to ask you this. When you had 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the platform and when you had the attention of everybody, 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: you talked about your displeasure of how people treated Easton, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: Father Gill of the Beast Master Classic and Ford Facing Sonar. 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: You know, I've been doing this for nine years. This 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: is my not year fishing professionally and super blessed to 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: be to do this. And I've seen the progression of 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: the sport. I've seen how things have what they came 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: from and how they are now and there's just a 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: lot of negativity right now, just in a lot of 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: different ways. And I guess you could kind of relate 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: this to the honting industry as well. You know, I 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: know there's a lot of scuttle but if that's a word, 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, go to Webster's. But a lot of 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: scuttle butt about cell cameras, ye know, and so I 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: follow a lot in the industry, but this kind of 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: relates to that as well. But you know, I'm up 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: there and I had a great week on what Gunnersville. 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate everybody coming out, but I'm up there on stage 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there thinking, and it really was weighing 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: on me. Man. It weighed on me all last week 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: and two weeks ago and lately, man, it's just been 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: so toxic and there's been such a polarized view about, 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: you know, our sport. And uh, when that kid won, 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, Ethan, I keep referring him as a kid. 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: He's a he's a man, okay, but he's a young, 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: aspiring fisherman that has just grew up dreaming of this moment. 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: So he goes and he wins the Classic, and you know, 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: he had a really bad instance where he had a 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: brain I don't know what happened. I don't know the details, 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: but he's an yeah, yes, he had a very bad scare. 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: And I followed that and I'm like, oh my gosh, 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: it's terrible, you know. And so anyway, long story short, 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: he goes and he wins the bast Master Classic. I 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: have fished one of them before. It's a special event. 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: It's a dream event for anybody to just get there 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 2: and then much less win it. So he wins the tournament, 49 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: and man, they were going in on him like hard, 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: saying terrible things. 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: Though you wouldn't catch anything without this, And and I 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: can just tell you, out of one hundred comments, a 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: m or negative and I'm like, I hate seeing that. 54 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: Uh, there's all there's so much negativity in this world. People. Uh, 55 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: people need to do better. So I never thought that 56 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: I would have to be the I would have to 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: carry the torch for positivity in this world. I never like, 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: why do we have to have someone to carry the 59 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: torch for positive stuff. I'm not saying someone has to 60 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: agree about something, but my goodness, let's not tear somebody down. 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's be positive let's let him have his moment, man, 62 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: and like for just the terrible things that people were saying, 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: they should be a shamed, point blank period in my opinion, 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: and let him have his moment. Just congratulate him, or 65 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: if you don't want to, don't. And I just felt 66 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: very strongly about that. It really aggravates me, Like, come on, guys, 67 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: you know. 68 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: We had an opportunity to watch you compete, and you 69 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: obviously competing in the MLF and Easton competing in bass Master. 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: The two leagues have decided to do things just a 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: little bit differently. Neither one of them want to get 72 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: rid of forward facing sonar. I don't think it's going 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: to go anywhere, but MLF has decided to do it 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: period by period, which bass Master doesn't have periods. But 75 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: do you like the way that MLF has positioned their 76 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: tournaments with saying you can use it, but you can 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: choose when you want to use it, and then you're 78 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: not allowed to use it after that? 79 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know right. Whenever we first came up with 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: that decision, I was for it to begin with. I 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: was because I think that we need some diversity there 82 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: and you know, fishing not keeping mine I'm thirty five, 83 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: but I said this earlier on an interview. Like, dude, 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: I remember when blackberries were around. I played Nintendo, not 85 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: Nintendo sixty four. I was playing Super Mario Man and 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: a Super Mario and like I didn't really come up, 87 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: Like I had my first iPhone when I was like 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: twenty years old, you know. Like so I remember throwing 89 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: a shaky head down the bank, and like things have 90 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: just changed. You know, there's fourteen year old kids out 91 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: here now that are that's all they've ever known, So 92 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: like I can't dash them and I cannot Like things 93 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: have just progressed. We're on a phone right now and 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: I'm looking at you through my phone, So I understand 95 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: the progression of technology, and I'm you have to embrace it, 96 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: you know. 97 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: But when was it hard for you to to understand 98 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Ford facing sonar or were you pretty quick to adapt? 99 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: I mean you're known as one of the best now, Yeah, 100 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 4: I saw. 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: This happening in twenty nineteen. I seen it and I 102 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: went okay, and I was one of the first ones 103 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: to really benefit. I mean, I truly feel like I 104 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I've won a ton of 105 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: tournaments using that technology, and I've adapted to it and 106 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: I've learned it. But whenever MLF, whenever they decided to 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: go with that route, I said, Okay, this will be 108 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: a big difference in the I guess you say, the 109 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: flow of the game and the speed of it, and 110 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to change it up because two thirty 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: of your season you're going to be fishing without it 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: and we're going back to our roots. And I did 113 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: support it. I thought it was a great idea. I 114 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: think you get to see a lot more different diverse things, 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: throwing crank baits, throwing jerk based, flipping the bank again, 116 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: because there is times where that technique suspended fish will 117 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: dominate point blank period. But now you can only get 118 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: to do it one period and then you've got to 119 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: go and go grind and but yeah, it was a great, 120 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: great decision. 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: When you started in twenty nineteen with Ford facing sonar. 122 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Fast forward to twenty twenty five, What have you learned 123 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: and how different are the fish reacting to when it 124 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: first came out? I do you do you think maybe 125 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I'll simplify that. Do you think the fish are getting 126 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: a little getting used to the pressure now Ford facing 127 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: sonar to where it's not as easy as everybody thinks. 128 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: On Yeah, oh, I'll tell you this years ago. I'm 129 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: not years ago, shoot five four years ago, before ford 130 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: facing sonar really hit the mainstream. I made a living 131 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: fishing offshore on the Cousta River. That's what I did. 132 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: I ran around. I fish brush piles, I fish rock piles. 133 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: I knew isolated stumps, and I would pull up and 134 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: throw a jerk bait. I would pan over there. I'm 135 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: not even paying over there. I would literally get my 136 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: head in extension. I would be seventy five to eighty 137 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: feet away from a brush pile and I would throw 138 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: a jerk bait over there, and I could get those 139 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: fish to bite no more. They won't buy no more. 140 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: You have to make the right exact cast on them 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: because people have pressured these fish throughout all the season. Now, 142 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, I might be wrong on this, 143 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: but our tournaments now are one period off shore and 144 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: then there are two periods on the bank because you 145 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: can't catch them without it off shore. Now it's super hard. 146 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: So do you think that the pressure that a lot 147 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: of guys thought shallow bass had and then all of 148 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: a sudden everybody starts going off shore, that pressure is 149 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: now pushed out to that that the fish upshallow aren't 150 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: feeling nearly the pressure. 151 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah, there's probably there's probably grass mats 152 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: on Way Lake that I hadn't seen a swim jig 153 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: in a long time. And keep in mind, we pressured 154 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: them suckers for thirty years. It's really a blessing that 155 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: we gave him a little bit of a break. 156 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I've been laughing because I've you know, I'll give you 157 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: and everybody else maybe a reset, people that have been 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast for a while. I started fishing 159 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: five years ago. I was I'm from Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia. 160 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: It is a great bass fishery, heavy hitters in MLF. 161 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: They're going to be there this year. And I wanted 162 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: to fish so much when I was a kid, but 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody that knew how to fish. 164 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: My dad wasn't an out doorsman. 165 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: He always encouraged me to find people that had the 166 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: same interests I did to really get into it, but 167 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anybody knew how to fish. I knew 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: plenty of people that wanted to hunt when I was little, 169 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: but no fishing. I moved to Lake Lanier and then 170 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I started fishing five years ago. And when I got 171 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: into it, boy, I got into it. I went and 172 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: bought a phoenix, I got humming birds, I got a garmin, 173 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: I got everything that you needed to fish those big 174 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,239 Speaker 1: spot of bass. 175 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: On Lake Lanear. 176 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: But I even I've noticed, just from the short time 177 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: that I've been fishing, it's all about pressure. It doesn't 178 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: matter the method that you use. If you're using ford 179 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: facing sonar over a brushpile of this thirty feet deep 180 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: and those fish are seeing that lure, all they're seeing 181 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: is that lure. They may not have seen it for 182 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: the last year and a half, but now they're seeing it, 183 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: so you're catching them. Well, if they see that every day, 184 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: it's no different than you going to a two foot 185 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: area of grass and throwing a swim jig around. They're 186 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: just seeing that same swim jig. And you've probably noticed this. 187 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Certain baits worked for a while. The chatter bait replaced 188 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: the spinner bait for a lot of people. Well now 189 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: the spinner bait's starting to come back. Is why fish 190 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: i'n't been seeing it. 191 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: Sure, and that kind of goes to the hunting side 192 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: of things as well. Dude. I'm just telling you nature 193 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: will find a way to adapt. It is amazing how 194 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: how smart they are. If you go in on a 195 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: place for years, we go out there and if you're 196 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: in a state that could bait, you're out there carrying 197 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: a corn bag out there every day. When they do. 198 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: When you blow that deer out two times, he's gone bye. 199 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: Now he knows they're smart in this fish of the 200 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: same way. You cannot just roll up and fish the 201 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 2: same place every day. They go and get pressured, and 202 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of pressure. Now. There's more people 203 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: on the water now than ever, which is great. These 204 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: suckers are hard to catch. 205 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: Each lake that you've won, you falla Laylake, Gunnersville, all 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: in Alabama. I don't have this stigma of you, but 207 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I think there's some people that would say, well, Dustin's 208 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: conell is really good, but he's only good in Alabama. 209 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: Hey, I'll tell you this. What's funny about that is 210 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: is uh, I've won tournaments in Minnesota, Relax, New York. 211 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: My first tournament was in Mississippi, raw was born at 212 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: and that was pre forward facing Sonar. But like I've 213 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: been fortunate to win tournaments in a lot of places, 214 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: but I do have a soft spot for the sate Alabama. 215 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but I I guess 216 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: it's just me being comfortable around here. I didn't even know, 217 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: like you followed that well. They just announced that tournament 218 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: whenever it went down, like three or four days beforehand 219 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: when we went to Ufalla. But I do love the 220 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: sad Alabama. I wish I had every red crest in Alabama. 221 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: That's the gold. That'd be so freaking awesome. Just keep 222 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: coming here. 223 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: What is it about Alabama? Do you think? 224 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I I'm gonna be honest. I 225 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: just think that it's being comfortable. Like, hey, I'm I'm 226 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: a couple hours down the road. Let's freaking go. I'm excited, 227 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: you know. And I got a one year old little boy. 228 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: Now, and happy birthday to him, by the way. 229 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, And we enjoyed that yesterday. 230 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: We're gonna have a little party for him this Saturday. 231 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: But just being comfortable and around the house. I'm two 232 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: and a half hours from Gunnersville, I'm two hours from 233 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: you Fall, and knowing I'm that close to the house, 234 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: is just kind of a little peace comes over me. 235 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: It's a little different when you're twenty hours away and 236 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: you're like, dude, I'm in foreign territory. I don't know 237 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: nothing about this lake at all. So and those are 238 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: the biggest events of our our tour. That's the tournament 239 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: you want to win. I've telled everybody you can finish second, third, fourth, 240 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: Nobody cares straight up, you got to win it, and 241 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: you better bring it too, because these guys are amazing. 242 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Let's go over some of the stats that everybody looks 243 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: at with Red Crest multi day. I mean, you're out 244 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: there fishing for four days. First two days, Dustin Connell 245 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: is not in the top ten. What the hell is 246 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: you went on with Dustin Connell? Where's Jacob Wheeler? Where 247 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: all these guys? Although you and I talked briefly, you're 248 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: gaming the situation a little bit, and I can appreciate that. 249 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so the first day of that tournament, 250 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: I'm running up. If you're familiar with let Gunnersville guys like, 251 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: you'll run up and you'll get to South Saudi and 252 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: then you'll go to North Saudi. Well, we went lines 253 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: in on the first day at seven fifth, seven forty five. Well, 254 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: I break the mouth of South Saudi and I'm lines in, 255 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, and this is one of 256 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: them situations that I'll say, you touched on four faces sonar. 257 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: I use active target too, it's phenomenal. But I'm lines 258 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: in and I'm like, I'm trying to gauge how this 259 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: tournament's gonna go down. I don't really know how what 260 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: they're going to catch. Do I need seventy pounds a day? 261 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: Do I need thirty pounds a day? Do it? I 262 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: don't know. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna 263 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: stop in here. We're lines in. Let me use my 264 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: fore face sonar period and just kind of gauge things 265 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: because I had a few areas that I had some 266 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: big bikes in and I caught them on a crush 267 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: seedy janitor, just flipping it out there, you know, wacky 268 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: rig And the first period I caught six or seven fish, 269 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: caught one scorble terrible. I said, I said, packing all, 270 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: put it on the trailer. I went bye bye. So 271 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: I said I'm out. I said, screw this, I'm gone. 272 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: So I ran forty miles, So keep in mind, forty 273 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: miles I'm running up there. I waste another forty five 274 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: minutes of the next period running. I finally get up 275 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: to where I really had some confidence up that river, 276 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: and I catch them, and I says, the day I 277 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: catch like twenty five pounds or whatever. But I'm ten 278 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: or eleven pounds, twelve pounds back out of the cut, 279 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, I'm going up there all 280 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: day next tomorrow and I'm gonna go catch them. 281 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: Why'd you make that decision then. 282 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: Because I just knew the pace at how things were going, 283 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: Like thirty six pounds was in the cut, and I'm like, dude, 284 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: if i'd have just ran up there off the bit, 285 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: I would have caught forty something pounds, no doubt, no doubt. 286 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: Was it less pressure up there. You didn't see as 287 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: many guys competing up there. 288 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: No one was there. There was halfway up the river. 289 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: I seen Wesley when I pulled up on a place, 290 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, god amn mighty, I ain't seen a 291 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: boat in forty miles almost And I look over at 292 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: Wesley and I'm like, what's he got? He's got forty 293 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: six pounds and I'm like, dang it. So the tournament developed. 294 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: Every day developed. Even after that first period that I 295 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: didn't catch them, I learned I ain't using four faces 296 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: on all the rest of this tournament. I'm done. I 297 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: learned that I was actually on a really good bite 298 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: up there, considering the conditions of the lake, and I 299 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: went full in for that. There was no doubt I 300 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: was not turning back. So luckily I falveaged the day 301 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: up there on day one. I went up there on 302 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: day two, caught fifty six pounds, made it to the 303 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: knockout realm, and then the rest was history. 304 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Why'd you make the decision on the final day to 305 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: go all the way to the knicker jack Damn. 306 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: That's a very interesting you follow this, this is amazing, 307 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: This is a that's a very interesting question. Now. 308 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Was it only because you knew the weather was changing? 309 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: You knew that the spawning fish weren't going to act 310 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: the way that they've been acting for the last couple 311 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: of days, And you were like, well, i'll get movement 312 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: in the water. I can get up against some heavy, 313 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: big structure. I mean that damn is massive, and you 314 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: knew there was going to be more heat up there. 315 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: I knew that it was cloudy, it was rainy, and 316 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: from the day prior, during the knockout realm this is 317 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: on Saturday, I knew that in those low light conditions 318 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: they were going to be chewing because that morning before 319 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: I pulled up on the same place and I started 320 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: smashing them on a mooch minnow and I said, dude, 321 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: there's way more fish up here than what I thought, 322 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: because when it was sunny, they wouldn't bite in that good. 323 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 2: And when it every day it got sonny and they 324 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: would kind of lay off, and I'm like, dude, this 325 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 2: place stinks. They were there all along, It's just I 326 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: needed the conditions. I checked the weather and I said, dude, 327 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: it's gonna be raining, crappy weather, cloudy, and they're going 328 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: to be chewing at that damn. So I opted to 329 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: chop it all the way. I never shut down until 330 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: I got to the concrete. And I'm telling you my 331 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: second cast I called her three and a half, and 332 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: I started bombing them. It was so good and it 333 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: was all condition based. It was just a perfect storm. 334 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: The guys down the lake was it gonna be able 335 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: to saltfish? And I was up there and they were 336 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: freaking chewing. 337 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I knew for a fact when I saw the conditions, 338 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I was like, this has got Dustin Connell written all 339 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: over it, because I don't think I've seen a. 340 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: Tournament where you're not in a rain suit. 341 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I feel like you're always dressed for 342 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: it to be overcast, windy, blowing about thirty and rain. 343 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: I've never seen you in your jersey. I don't think 344 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: in a tournament like you're always wearing a rain suit. 345 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: When it's bad weather and I'm up the river and 346 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 2: they're biting, That's what That's what I loved. I love 347 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: the weather, worst weather possible. And I was I was 348 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: a long way from everybody, dude, I was seventy miles 349 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: and it takes a bold like it took a lot 350 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: of guts to make that run, because there's a lot 351 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: of things that can go wrong. 352 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: You know, how many times did you second guess that 353 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: decision in the morning like that, now by the time 354 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: you ran, I'm talking about before you even hit the 355 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: gas pedal, before you push that throttle. 356 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: How many times did you say, man, I don't know 357 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: if I should do this. 358 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: I ran the first morning, I was running past all 359 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: of the locals. I was running past all of the 360 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: guys that were in our tournament, and I'm turning my 361 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: back on every bath in the lake, and I'm like, 362 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 2: I don't know about this. It's intimidating doing that and 363 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: then knowing I still got forty or fifty miles a run. 364 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, when you get about three quarters away up there, 365 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: it starts getting kind of like, dang, oh god, this 366 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: is this is a long way from reality. Like there 367 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: ain't no back, there ain't no other plans. It's either 368 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: your going or you're not. And it there. It questioned 369 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: me a couple of times. I was sitting there questioning myself. 370 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: I was like, dude, but this is our tournament. This 371 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: is the tournament to win. I said, look, high high risk, 372 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: high rewards, let's go. 373 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: So you threw caution into the wind, obviously paid out 374 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: on day four. You mentioned earlier that your son just 375 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: turned a year old. How has he changed your life 376 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: professionally and personally? 377 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: It gives you a totally different perspective on life. I 378 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: know that sounds cliche. You hear that a lot, but 379 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: it really does. And I've just realized that life is 380 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: so much bigger than these than these fish. It just 381 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: his dude, straight up, so much bigger. Just seeing him 382 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: smile and seeing him grow up, and like, that's what 383 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: that's what it's about. I mean, dude, I love these tournaments, 384 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: I love Lake Gunnersville, and I love that trophy. But 385 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: whether I did good or bad, dude, it was his 386 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: first birthday this weekend. That's all that matters. 387 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: Now. 388 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: I just want to I do this for him and 389 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: my family. Now straight up used to be just strictly 390 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: for me. I want to go out there, and man, 391 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: I want to catch him for me, I ain't worried 392 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: about me no more. I want to do this for him. 393 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: So it meant a lot just doing that. That was cool. 394 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: What's worse losing a six pound large mouth or taking 395 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: care of a bloe out of a baby in the 396 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: back seat of the. 397 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: Car blow out by by far, When it's blown out 398 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: and it's uh everywhere and it's all over your hands, 399 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: it gets real. Buddy, I done did it. I donet 400 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: did it a bunch of times, and I'm like, oh God. 401 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: And when it happens when you're alone, because you can't 402 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: pass it off to Vic, you can't go somebody's got 403 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: to take. 404 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: Care of this. No, I can't do that. And I 405 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: made a bad decision one time. One time he had 406 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: a little chaff. He had a little diaper rash. It's 407 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: pretty bad. We're putting that boodros on there, and I 408 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 2: just I put some on there and I said, man, 409 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you air out. So I'll let tree 410 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: and air out. You know, I've let him run around 411 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: without a diaper. Terrible decision. Pooped all on the cow, 412 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: pooped on me. Don't do that. 413 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 4: It's like that Dumb and Dumber movie. 414 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 5: Poo everywhere in that dumb and dumber movie. 415 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, when he has the U, when he 416 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: has Are you a dumb and dumber fan, Dustin? 417 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 418 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: Man, he gets that ax lax in the Yeah. That's 419 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: always a bad that's always a bad move. 420 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: That was trending on the couch. 421 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: You know, I've always I've always appreciated your career when 422 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: it came to fishing. And you know you started out 423 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: as a kid fishing U the Cusa River. I've heard 424 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: this from a lot of guys. Fishing the Cousa River 425 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: is hard to take that style to any other lake. 426 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 4: Is that true? 427 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: So hard man. So I told aut Dfo before this 428 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: tournament started, we were in the Bass Pro shops in 429 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: Huntsville and I told him. I was like, man, I 430 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: went to Nika Jack and I went to this and 431 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: I caught some fish like like above Nika Jack damn 432 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: like on Nika Jack. And I just told him, I said, man, 433 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: I really want because he loves fishing rivers as well. 434 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: And now I started thinking, I'm like, dude, I have 435 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: not been able in nine years to sit below a 436 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: dam and fish current and that style of fishing. In 437 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: nine years, I've not been able to utilize that Indian 438 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, dang. Maybe one day and then Aunt told me, 439 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: he said, well, you got a chance here, you can 440 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: do it here. I said, yes, seventy miles away, I 441 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 2: probably finished dead last, I won the tournament. Do it. 442 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like, golyy, So I've been able to do 443 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: that one time. Fishing on the Coast River is so unique. 444 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: You got running water and you don't have that everywhere. 445 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: You don't have spotty bass everywhere, and it's totally different, 446 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: and it's a big adjustment. 447 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: The style of tournament fishing has changed over the last 448 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: couple of years. I mean, you have one tournament trail 449 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: the bas Elites, where guys are getting dequeued left and right. 450 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,479 Speaker 4: Now they're finally holding up to some of the rules 451 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: that they have in place. 452 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: When you heard about Scott Martin and him getting disqualified 453 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: for a second time in the season and then electing 454 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: to leave the Elites, what were your thoughts. 455 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I could go in on this one too. Let 456 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: me say this. I know Scott personally, great guy, great guy. 457 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm forman bass master classic. I got to see how 458 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: he fishes up close and personal. 459 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy about Scott is a lot 460 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: of people think Scott's kind of fake, but no, that's 461 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: his personality. He's always amped up like that. He's a 462 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: great guy. And I fully support Scott in any decision 463 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: he makes. Man I do and uh, but I will 464 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: say this and then nobody seems to remember this. Let's 465 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: let's backtrack for thirty years. Thirty years it was a 466 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: free for all on information. Thirty years. There was a 467 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: lot of guys and I'm not saying that. Don't don't 468 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: get me wrong when I say this that their careers 469 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: were made on information because they are Hella fishermen my heroes, 470 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: Bud they had the kind of the Buddy system kind 471 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: of deal going on. Hey man, we got a terminal 472 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: Alabyn River. What do you think is gonna be going on? 473 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: Where you're thinking I need to check? Oh man, right, 474 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: you need to be in Jackson Lake. You need to 475 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: be over here, you know. So it was so easy 476 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: and just one little baby conversation for like two minutes 477 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: could help somebody out so much. For thirty years, it 478 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: was a free for all. And now we've implemented that 479 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen where he did no information, which I 480 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: do agree on that, but I could see where it's 481 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 2: kind of hard to cut that off immediately, and I 482 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: think it. You know, Scott kind of got in a 483 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 2: little issue at an honest mistake down at Oklachovie because 484 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: the last thing he wants to do is get messed up. 485 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 4: You know, nobody wants that, especially in your homelater. 486 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just feel like, man, sometimes that stuff 487 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 2: can get taken too far and out of context. I 488 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: don't think that there's many guys and don't there probably 489 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: is that just blatantly don't care about rules, and Scott's 490 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: got so much to lose, man, that dude. He is 491 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: one of the most successful anglers with partners, and I mean, 492 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: my dude is a legend and his dad is he 493 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: don't want to stain his reputation. I think it was 494 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: an honest mistake in my opinion. I don't know the 495 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: background of it, but I do think there's a lot 496 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: of eyes and a lot of hate out there. And 497 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: you got to walk a straight line. And when I 498 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: mean squeaky clean, there ain't no skipping, no corners. You 499 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: you might be underneath the rules, but you still you 500 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: got to make sure that you don't give nobody no 501 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: ammunition to try to catch you doing anything, not even 502 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: legally and in the gray area. 503 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: Would you rather have the information of no rules or 504 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: have it go back to pre twenty eighteen where you 505 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: could get info. 506 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: I like no information rule. I dot the. 507 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Pro level, the BPT and the elites, and even the opens, 508 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: because I feel like the Opens is kind of like, 509 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, minor league fishing for the bass master elites. 510 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: You know what's funny about this? And I'm probably gonna 511 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: catch them slack. I'm sure somebody will get on here 512 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: and say something. 513 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 4: Nobody listens to this podcast, so you're. 514 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 2: Fine well, I'll tell you. What's funny about it is 515 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 2: is they implementing a rule for the bassmaster opens as 516 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: well that no information on it. And what their narrative 517 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: was was, these guys are getting information on the ten Lakes. 518 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: We fish a lot. So if you get information on Gunnersville, 519 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: you get information on Okachobe, let's say, Champlain, Saint Lawrence, River, 520 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: Sam Ravern, and Toledo. Well, you know the rest of 521 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: your career, you're gonna fish there a lot because they're 522 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: just world famous lakes. We're gonna go to them lakes. 523 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: And they were claiming that they were getting information beforehand, 524 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, dude, it don't matter. 525 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: You can get information this whole to catch other people's bass. 526 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: It's hard to go and hunt somebody else's deer if 527 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: you don't really know exactly what that deer is doing. 528 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: Hey man, he's coming in here, blah blah blah. But 529 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 2: it's just hard to duplicate what someone tells you and 530 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: it can lead you down a rabbit hole. 531 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: What are some of those subtleties, Like if you told 532 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: me a waypoint, let's say it was way up the river, 533 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: isolated rock patch, you might be in fifteen foot of water. 534 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: You say, there's fish there? Is it? Bold positioning is it? 535 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: Line size is it? The weight? Is it? How you 536 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 4: let that soft plastic drift. 537 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: So I've had this happen locally on like like Jordans. 538 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: I've had guys contact me and like my best friend, 539 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: for example, Corey. I'll tell Corey, say, listen, you need 540 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: to run in a new lake. You need to stop 541 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: on these three places. Okay, you're gonna go in there. 542 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: You're gonna fish these for a little bit. It's gonna suck, 543 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: probably for the first hour. Just know that if you 544 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: want to go swimming jig, you can go do that early, 545 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: but at first hour it's gonna kind of suck. But 546 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: you need to go in there and make your presence 547 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: and on them. Get settled in. When the sun comes up, 548 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: it's probably gonna start. They're gonna bite between eight and 549 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: nine thirty. Stay in there, run that stuff alter night 550 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: between them. Catch you's two here, catch a couple here. 551 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: You'll have eighteen pounds. Then you need to go and 552 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: flip the rest of the day. I call him at 553 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: about ten thirty. Dude, it just wasn't happening in there. 554 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm all the way up river. 555 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 6: I'm like, dude, I literally just gave you the dang 556 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 6: blueprint to win, and you're up the river throwing a 557 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 6: shaky head on a rock bank. 558 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: Don't call me back. 559 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: I had to happen with a friend of mine. I 560 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: was fishing Old Hickory. I've never been to Old Hickory 561 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: And I said to a buddy of mine, you ever 562 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: fished out there? And he's like, yeah, man, I got 563 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: one Spintz dynamite. You can go up there and catch 564 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty pounds of bass easy in the first hour. 565 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: You might even stay there and get twenty five if 566 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: you're lucky lucky. And I said, where is? He shows 567 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: me a dot. Literally, I run all the way up there, 568 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's a decision. 569 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 4: Like you made with Gunnersville. 570 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: Man. 571 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm running seventy five miles one way, and I got 572 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: all the way up there and I didn't get a 573 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: single bite. So then I gotta leave at some point 574 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: to get back down and try to salvage my day. 575 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 4: My buddy calls. 576 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: And he goes what happened, said, I didn't get a bike, 577 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: didn't get a bite, And he's like, how long did 578 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: you stay up there? I said, I was up there 579 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: for maybe two hours, and he goes, yeah, that's tough. 580 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: He goes up the next week in the tournament, same 581 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: exact spot. 582 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 4: Wax him. 583 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: Yep, oh it happens. I mean it's easy to do. 584 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: You get laid down a rabbit hole. But for me, 585 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: I've just kind of noticed doing this. Man, you got 586 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: to do your own deal. Straight up, there's gonna come 587 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: a point during that day, whether it's a one day 588 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: tournament or just a fishing trip, you're going to have 589 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: to go and make a decision on the water by yourself. 590 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: And like, this is another one in things if I so, 591 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: if I show up, I keep relating back to deer hunting, 592 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: but uh, we like that here. I really enjoy going like, Okay, 593 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: don't get me wrong on this, Hell, I may do 594 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: it this year. I like going to an outfitter because 595 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: I don't have nobody to go hunting, Like I don't 596 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: have land. Not everybody has leases and whatnot. So let's 597 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: say I go to Illinois Connection and Illinois and they've 598 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: got freaking twenty thousand and eight. I like the idea of, like, hey, 599 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's 600 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: a big deer out here. He's doing this, and be 601 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: looking for this deer. But I also love well, I 602 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: do have a lease in Illinois. I love doing it 603 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: on my own. I love going out there and saying 604 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: running my cameras. I love pattering and the deer. I 605 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, 606 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: knowing what's standing I need to be in and then 607 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the 608 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: most satisfying thing. So when you do it on your own, 609 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: it's like I then can hang my hat. But if 610 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots 611 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: and catch them right here, and you're going to win, 612 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 2: and then when I go in, it's like, yeah, that's cool. 613 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But 614 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: it's like, dude, when you find them and you make 615 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 2: them bite, that's the puzzle. I love it. 616 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: You remember the first bass you ever caught, the one 617 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: that you did on your own. You went out to 618 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: a body of water and you threw it a specific thing. 619 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: You were working, a worm or whatever you were throwing. 620 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: You knew exactly what you were and it was all 621 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: you because I just got to experience that with my 622 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: twelve year old nephew, Hudson. He threw a wacky worm 623 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: that I set up for him, but I put him 624 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: on the boat and he could throw her every once 625 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: and he goes, Uncle Spence, why would any fish bite 626 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: a wacky worm? It looks so dumb. And minutes later 627 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: he caught his first one and a half pound Logan 628 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: Martin spot of bass. 629 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: That's so cool. And I got to have that. 630 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Experience where I was like, I'm seeing, I'm seeing what 631 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: it was like when I call my first fish through 632 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: a different lens, and it's gonna be the same when 633 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: you watch your son do it for the first time. 634 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 2: That's so cool. Yeah. I remember a real quick story Clanton, Alabama. 635 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: I was Goose Pond Park. I know everybody don't know that, 636 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: but there's a bridge right there underneath thirty one. Right 637 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: underneath that thirty one bridge, there used to be a 638 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: big hole rut there and there was grass around the edges. 639 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: And I remember I was with my brother. I had 640 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: a cream it was a cream worm, old school cream worm, 641 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: green pumpkin worm. I had it on a Texas rig 642 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: with just a little two over hook and I asked James, 643 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: I said, my brother. I was like, how do I 644 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: know when he buys it? He said, you'll fill that line, 645 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 2: go drink, and it just starts getting hit. Well, I 646 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: saw that sucker, I heard of that grass, and I 647 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 2: felt it and it went duke like a catfish bite. 648 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: And I picked up and my line was just moving. 649 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: So I just set the hug and I remember it 650 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 2: was like a two pound wars now. I still remember 651 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: that to this day. 652 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: Hudson was telling me Uncle Spence, I'm hug on a 653 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: log and he lifts up and I saw his line, y'all, 654 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: and I went, I don't think trees move when they're 655 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: in the water. Go ahead and set that huck perfectly 656 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: right in the top lip. You would have thought he 657 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: was battling jaws when he pulled that thing. 658 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 4: Into the boat. 659 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now he's fucked. 660 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 4: It was such a great moment. 661 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 5: Daniel question, Yeah, Dustin, I want to know when at 662 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 5: Red Crest, back to Red Crest, when you found those 663 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 5: fish up there, how hard was it for you to 664 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 5: keep it from Jacob and Adrian and Mark or do 665 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 5: you guys talk about it or were you keeping a 666 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 5: hush hush because I watched your video and when you 667 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 5: guys were on your boat, and it seems like everybody 668 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 5: was having their own conversations when then their own YouTube 669 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 5: channels and their recording guys. 670 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: So we cannot disclose an exact location and where we're fishing. 671 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: But I mean, you could say up the river. I mean, heck, 672 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 2: for that matter, you can probably say Brown's Creek. I mean, 673 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: Browns Creek's five miles long, you know. But like a 674 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: generic location, let's say, hey, they're biting mid river. You 675 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: cannot say they're bidying at the dam. You can't say 676 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: they're biting on this tree, you know. But they kind 677 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 2: of knew that I was really wanting to go up 678 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: the river. I never told them where I was at. 679 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: I didn't tell him I was at the dam or 680 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: thirty miles up or what. But Jacob actually practiced up 681 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 2: there a day and a half, and he kind of 682 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: had the same mindset, because Jacob Man, so he's one 683 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: of the most smart fishermen I've ever seen in my life. 684 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: He's unreal. But he was up there in practice, and 685 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: he knew that I was up there, and I, like, 686 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: I said, that tournament developed along the way. I told 687 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: him that I had some bikes up the way that 688 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 2: I really like it up there, but I don't I 689 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: don't know if I can win up there. Well, they 690 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: knew I was up that way catching them, they didn't 691 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: really know the potential of it. I didn't really know 692 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: the potential until the knockout round. And then when I 693 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 2: came in from the knockout round, everybody sat down. They 694 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: were like, You're gonna win, ain't you? And I went, 695 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 696 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 4: That's awesome. 697 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 2: I went, I went, dude, I can see it happening now. 698 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: And they were like, we got you to win. There 699 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: ain't no doubt. They said, it's gonna between you and Westley, guaranteed. 700 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: And it was when they announced that you won Redcrest. 701 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: What initial thought went through your mind? 702 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 2: Oh? Just the how it all went down. I mean, dude, 703 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: you don't understand the emotions that come through your head 704 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: when you're thinking of I first thought of the last 705 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: two tournaments that I had, because I had train wrecks 706 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 2: or tournaments just terrible, look lost, fish didn't get on much. 707 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: And then I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, dude, and 708 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: I say this with humility. I just pulled one of 709 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 2: the most epic stunts out in a tournament ever. 710 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 4: Rabbit ont of the hat. 711 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: So cool, such a badass wind. It was awesome just 712 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: being able to run seventy miles get a turn your 713 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: back on everything history in the past, because I'd never 714 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 2: seen that place before. I go up there, I catch 715 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,479 Speaker 2: a twenty five pound trifecta bag, five pounds wargs mouth, 716 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: five pound small mouth, four pound spotty bass, and I'm like, 717 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 2: this will go down in the history books of how 718 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: cool of a wind this is. And then I look 719 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 2: around and there's nobody there. It's freaking sprinkling rain, and 720 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: like I noticed things on the water and it was 721 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: just so calm and peaceful up there, and I was like, 722 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: this is the coolest win ever. And that was going 723 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: through my mind. I was like, I cannot believe I 724 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: just pulled this so far, Fitch stun Off. 725 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: Is that the greatest tournament win of your life? Awesome? 726 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: That's Cools con joined us on lines and times this morning. 727 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Congratulations. The man has nine hundred thousand 728 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: dollars in redcress money over the last couple of years, 729 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: and he is he's a father of one year old son. 730 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: He's a devoted husband to Victoria. He's just a great 731 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: man of God and awesome to be on the show 732 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: with us today. Dude, I appreciate the hack Outia. It's 733 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: awesome that you were able to jump on with us 734 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: today and add so many good insights. You know, I 735 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,959 Speaker 1: think you've definitely won a couple of fans for life. 736 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: And I've been a fan of yours for a while, 737 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: and I look forward to the day where I see 738 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: you out on the Kusa River because I know that's 739 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: the one tournament we're all finished second, so. 740 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: You'll see me out there a lot. I fish out 741 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: there a lot. I mean, I'm over here. I'm looking 742 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 2: at my boat right now, and I'm like, dude, it's 743 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: seventy degrees. I got to go, but I got to 744 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: clean this house up and catch up for my little boy. 745 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to that. But I appreciate you guys 746 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: having me and hopefully again we'll talk soon.