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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer,

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Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 3: our careers and our families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun,

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Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.

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Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.

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Speaker 2: This episode is airing in late June of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be doing our annual at this point

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Speaker 2: midyear goal check in, So in December of most years,

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Speaker 2: Sarah and I share our goals for the upcoming year,

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Speaker 2: and halfway through the year it's time to check in.

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Speaker 1: And we do this for a few reasons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: basically to keep ourselves honest.

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Speaker 2: Because on some level, there's not a huge point in

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Speaker 2: setting goals and then completely forgetting about them, and it

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Speaker 2: gives us an idea, a chance to celebrate what's worked

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Speaker 2: or maybe pivot on what hasn't right.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, Yes, and we hope that if you're anything like us,

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Speaker 3: I think, especially me, you enjoy hearing how other people

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Speaker 3: approach their goals and either celebrate wins or bemoaned struggles,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. So we find the process really valuable. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I personally do this five times a year, but Laura

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Speaker 3: will not let me have five Best of Both Worlds

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Speaker 3: episodes dedicated to this.

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Speaker 1: So I think we've come like a good compromise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe your check in two a year is good.

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Speaker 2: And you can also go listen to Best Laid Plans

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Speaker 2: and hear a few more about Sarah's various goals and

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Speaker 2: how she executes on them.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, it's it's been a pretty good year

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Speaker 3: so far. I mean, Sarah, would you say it's been

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Speaker 3: a good year?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out, and those sections coming up, we will

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Speaker 3: discuss what has worked and what has not.

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Speaker 1: Got to leave some mystery. Le's leave some mystery.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll start with our career goals, I guess,

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Speaker 2: I mean we could go into any order here, but

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Speaker 2: I Sarah, I'll ask you about yours. So you had

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Speaker 2: a couple work goals for both clinical work and creative work,

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Speaker 2: so maybe you can share what happened.

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Speaker 1: And what hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we will start with a clinical work category,

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Speaker 3: and my goal was to keep working on my efficiency

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Speaker 3: And I've kind of come like a really long way

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Speaker 3: Then I moved to this checkout sheet and then I'm like,

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Speaker 3: has not to my knowledge, resulted in any like bad

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Speaker 3: So that's my clinical side. And then on the creative

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Speaker 3: I had a goal to do best laid plans Live

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Speaker 3: And then finally plan content creation schedule in advance and

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Speaker 1: All right, so your work goals, let's hear it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: A goal to finish the book proposal for my next book,

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Speaker 2: It's just called vander Hacks and it's my tips on

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Speaker 2: been sharing the calendar with a couple of other people

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Speaker 2: who are doing this project with me, which is awesome,

443
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Speaker 2: And yeah, every day I just listen to a couple

444
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Speaker 2: of them. Usually most days it's three or four of

445
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Speaker 2: the BWV. I decided to start with a cantata and

446
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Speaker 2: then starting in the middle of the BWV. So the

447
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Speaker 2: cantatas are the first two hundred and twenty or so,

448
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Speaker 2: and they're all about twenty minutes. So if you are

449
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Speaker 2: only working through chronologically, you'd just be listening to all

450
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Speaker 2: cantatas all the time for the first few months. So

451
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Speaker 2: we split it up and started with the organ works,

452
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Speaker 2: which are like five twenty five. So you do BWV

453
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Speaker 2: one and BWV five twenty five on January first and

454
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Speaker 2: so on. And yeah, about thirty to forty minutes of

455
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Speaker 2: listening a day. I do it in the car a

456
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Speaker 2: lot of the time, or while I'm doing sort of

457
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Speaker 2: low key work answering emails or doing something that doesn't

458
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Speaker 2: require a whole lot of thinking. I can have it

459
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Speaker 2: on in the back and it's awesome.

460
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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you now could hear Bach and

461
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, that sounds like it's from like this era,

462
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Speaker 3: Like I don't know.

463
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Speaker 1: I do.

464
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been some really cool historical matchups. He

465
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Speaker 2: was very prolific in the year seventeen twenty four. Curiously enough,

466
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Speaker 2: a lot of the kantatas are from then, and so

467
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Speaker 2: it's fun to sort of match them up. I didn't

468
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Speaker 2: match them up. That would have been a great way

469
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Speaker 2: to do this calendar, but whatever. Sometimes it happens and

470
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that was the kantata for two weeks

471
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Speaker 2: after Easter, and we're shortly after Easter, and so you

472
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Speaker 2: sort of have this connection with Bach three hundred years

473
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Speaker 2: ago doing this music in Leipzig and elsewhere. I can

474
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Speaker 2: definitely see themes. I've been to a couple of Bach concerts.

475
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Speaker 2: I went to one that had works from all over

476
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Speaker 2: the bwv's so different things like a two harpsichord thing,

477
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Speaker 2: a cantata. I went to an all kantata performance in

478
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Speaker 2: downtown Philly with a small chamber group that was doing that,

479
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: and you definitely start to hear his themes and you

480
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Speaker 2: know his structure, and then I went to the Backchoir

481
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Speaker 2: of Bethlehem annually does the B Minor Mass, which is

482
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Speaker 2: of course the ultimate Bach work that he composed not

483
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Speaker 2: long before his death. And having heard so many of

484
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Speaker 2: the cantatas, now I know when I'm hearing those cantatas

485
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Speaker 2: and I'm hearing a theme that was then in the

486
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Speaker 2: B Minor Mass, I know he was experimenting with in

487
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Speaker 2: the cantatas and then he pulled it into the B

488
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Speaker 2: Minor Mass because it's something he just liked, and so

489
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Speaker 2: then he would use it again for that great work

490
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Speaker 2: toward the end of his life.

491
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been awesome. That's cool.

492
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Speaker 3: I like the idea of becoming like a more nuanced

493
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Speaker 3: expert or like to like understand things at a level

494
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Speaker 3: that you know, if I heard Bach, I would just

495
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: be like, oh that sounds Baroke and you can say

496
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Speaker 3: so much more.

497
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Speaker 1: About Nako and work. So cool, all right, What else

498
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Speaker 1: was on your personal list? Oh?

499
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Speaker 2: Gosh, Well, I wanted to do more strength training. It

500
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Speaker 2: was going to be the year of Bach and my back.

501
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 2: I was trying to work on my back, and then

502
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Speaker 2: long time listeners know I had a rather huge setback

503
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: in January where had like shooting nerve pain down my

504
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: legs from some back issue and I couldn't walk for

505
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: over a week. Wound up on steroids and painkillers and

506
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: doing physical therapy and such, and I'm aware of it.

507
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Still there's nothing really that can be done. I mean,

508
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: I just I do need to keep strengthening my back

509
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: and my abs and I live with it. But the

510
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: good news is it doesn't keep me from living life.

511
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Speaker 2: Like I stood at the Taylor Swift concert for five

512
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Speaker 2: hours with my horrible back. I walked all over Disney

513
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Speaker 2: World with my horrible back.

514
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Speaker 1: You know, you live, you have to live life. And

515
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Speaker 1: I guess I have a reasonable pain tolerance and maybe

516
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Speaker 1: it will improve.

517
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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to assume this is like

518
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Speaker 3: where it's going to be forever.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but partly from my own psychologic like not. I

521
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: need to set my expectations low.

522
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Speaker 3: Got it right, Like I need to learn how to

523
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Speaker 3: live with this because it might. It might, And I

524
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Speaker 3: don't want to feel like my life is over if

525
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: I have back pain, because it's not like I can

526
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Speaker 3: deal with it.

527
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Speaker 2: I will live with it. But you know, obviously it'd

528
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: be great if it would have improve So I'd have

529
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Speaker 2: to hold those two thoughts in mind that I can

530
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Speaker 2: live my life with it. I can also do things

531
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Speaker 2: that maybe over time will improve it, or maybe just

532
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: on my own, my body will start to heal itself.

533
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Speaker 2: And you know, it's been fun going through the world

534
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Speaker 2: of specialist doctors and MRIs and all that great stuff

535
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Speaker 2: that I never would have experienced.

536
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Speaker 3: Otherwise, you definitely would not have experienced it because that

537
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Speaker 3: is not your favorite genre.

538
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Speaker 2: No, and I would like to stay as much away

539
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Speaker 2: from it as possible in the future. But I will

540
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: do more strength training because I I've been doing more

541
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Speaker 2: of that. I kept working out with my trainer and

542
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Speaker 2: now I've decided I put it on my to do list.

543
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Speaker 2: And then two other times a week I do at

544
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Speaker 2: least ten minutes of the stuff that he gave me

545
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Speaker 2: during our time together. And then the last thing with

546
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: self is that I'm doing my sonnets. I wrote two

547
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Speaker 2: lines in a sonnet every day in twenty twenty three,

548
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Speaker 2: so ended the year with fifty two sonnets because each

549
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: one is fourteen lines, so you can write one a

550
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Speaker 2: week at that pace. And I found it was actually

551
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Speaker 2: a really good practice for me, and I liked some

552
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Speaker 2: of the poems I was creating by the end, and

553
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Speaker 2: so I decided to keep going with it.

554
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Speaker 1: So I now I have what like seventy eight.

555
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Speaker 2: I guess that's a fifty two plus twenty six seventy

556
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Speaker 2: eight poems. By the end of the year, I'll have

557
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Speaker 2: one hundred and four more or less, maybe one hundred

558
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: and five, depending on how the weeks work.

559
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Speaker 1: And yeah, awesome, And sometimes you publish them on your blog.

560
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Speaker 1: I do, so if you want to see them, come

561
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Speaker 1: check them out.

562
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Speaker 2: We're going to take one more quick ad break and

563
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Speaker 2: we'll be back to hear about Sarah's amazing personal accomplishments

564
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Speaker 2: this year. All right, Well, we are back doing our

565
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Speaker 2: mid year goal check in. So, Sarah, you had some

566
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Speaker 2: big personal goals that you kind of knocked out of

567
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Speaker 2: the park, so let's hear about that.

568
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Speaker 3: Yes, the first goal on my personal list was to

569
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Speaker 3: train to try to qualify for the Boston Marathon, and

570
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Speaker 3: I did that last month. Yay, it was awesome. I

571
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: mean I had definitely had this on my like one

572
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 3: hundred dreams lifeless for almost two decades at this point.

573
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Speaker 3: It's been something I've wanted to do not for you know,

574
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Speaker 3: it's one of those things like I'm not curing anything,

575
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 3: I'm not achieving anything that's necessarily adding to the world's canon.

576
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Speaker 3: But I just wanted to do it for me to

577
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Speaker 3: like see if I could work towards something and achieve it.

578
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: And it was just the right level of hard that

579
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Speaker 3: it just took a lot and was really.

580
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Speaker 1: Really gratifying to make it come true. So I did

581
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Speaker 1: continue to work with my coach.

582
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Speaker 3: I think I don't know if I could have done

583
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Speaker 3: this with it because I really needed the guidance to

584
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Speaker 3: achieve the level of my ledge that I did, and

585
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: my husband and I actually fun fact, so the way

586
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: Boston works is you have to qualify, but then you

587
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: also have to get a certain amount under the qualifying

588
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: time to actually run the race. Most years, and my

589
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: time ended up being three hours and thirty five minutes

590
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: and one second, just like an eight to twelve pace,

591
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: which is four minutes and fifty nine seconds below the cutoff.

592
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Speaker 3: And then for him, he ran like three nineteen fifty one,

593
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: which ended up being five minutes and nine seconds below

594
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Speaker 3: the cutoff.

595
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Speaker 1: So the fun part about that.

596
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Speaker 3: Is that like unless the cutoff were to fall at

597
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Speaker 3: like five minutes and five seconds, which it could, but

598
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: like probably what we would either both make it or not.

599
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: And so that was actually kind of like a really

600
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: sweet ending for us to both like kind of have

601
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Speaker 3: the same awesome result. The funny part is that it

602
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: took me about twice as much work as it took him.

603
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Speaker 3: But you know, hey, that means you can compensate for

604
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: lack of talent by trying hard.

605
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Speaker 2: Because what was in his marathon time? I was like

606
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Speaker 2: three nineteen or something.

607
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Speaker 1: Was that?

608
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, but that part, I mean, men are

609
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: going to be expected to run faster than women on average,

610
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: but the cutoff for him is faster than me. So

611
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Speaker 3: like for a forty nine year old man, I think

612
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: the cutoff was like three twenty five, Yeah, through twenty five,

613
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: and he ran just under three twenty and mine was

614
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Speaker 3: three forty and I ran just over three thirty five. Well,

615
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: it's so funny because the BQ time is then not

616
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Speaker 3: really the BQ time. It's like the the official BQ time,

617
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Speaker 3: but then not. Yeah, historically it used to be, and

618
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: then they started to have to add cutoffs in there.

619
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Speaker 3: And then the other funny part is that Queen of

620
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Speaker 3: All planners. I had booked a Disney cruise that was

621
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Speaker 3: during twenty twenty five Boston Marathon already. Not only did

622
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Speaker 3: I book this, but I booked it like with friends,

623
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Speaker 3: so I actually and I knew this going in. So

624
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Speaker 3: I am not actually planning on submitting our times for

625
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, but I feel really really confident that

626
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Speaker 3: it will work out for twenty twenty six. Well, can

627
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Speaker 3: you use your time from this year? You can't, so

628
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to do it again. Yes, but I

629
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Speaker 3: get ten more minutes.

630
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Speaker 2: So oh well, because when you're forty five, Yeah, okay,

631
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Speaker 2: that makes sense. Well wow, I mean that seems like

632
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: you should be able to do that.

633
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel really confident at this time. I mean,

634
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: obviously anything could happen. It can happen, and I really

635
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: feel like I achieved my aim. My aim was to qualify.

636
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: My ame was not actually specifically to run. I wanted

637
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: to meet that BEKU standard and now I can say

638
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: I did so yeah.

639
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: I also had on my personal that was the biggest thing,

641
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: and it was the most time consuming thing. So everything

642
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: else you'll hear. But I wanted to go to a

643
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: yoga class and that did not happen yet, probably because

644
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: I was too busy marathon training, So that's fine, that's

645
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: going to be for later. I wanted to read every

646
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: day and record the pages read, and I kind of did.

647
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: I kept it on this little calendar. In May, I

648
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: slacked off, but I was still writing it all my

649
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: daily planner. So there's something cool for me about being like, Okay,

650
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: I got through thirty pages or I read one hundred

651
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: and fifty pages because I finished the book. And it

652
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: does help me to know when it's timed. I don't

653
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: abandon books often, but I will once in a while,

654
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Speaker 3: and if I'm like, oh my god, I'm making zero progress,

655
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Speaker 3: it's been like ten days, I've read three pages, like

656
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: it's time, and I will let something go. So that

657
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: has been helpful. I didn't have any goal about like

658
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: number of books to get through. I've done that in

659
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: the past, but I didn't this year, and I'm kind

660
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: of glad. I prefer it this way. I almost always

661
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: read the same number of books anyway, like right around

662
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: fifty and I think I'm it as we're recording this,

663
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: like low twenties and it's not the end of June yet,

664
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: so I'm exactly on track for myself. I wanted to

665
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: improve my wardrobe, the only wardrobe improve with my running wardrobe.

666
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: I have a complete race day which looks great now

667
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: I have really pricey race shoes. But the thing is,

668
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, we have this allowance system, and I don't

669
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: have the money to buy like two hundred and fifty

670
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: dollars shoes multiple players and then also upgrade my actual clothing.

671
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: So that was the choice I made, and I'm fine.

672
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: I wanted to try to get regular manny petties and

673
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: massage when I can, and I've gotten some. I've gotten enough.

674
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: I feel like, I would say enough for me to

675
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: use screens thoughtfully, okay, fair good, sometimes not as good

676
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: to other times.

677
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: To write daily in my experience journal.

678
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: So I had this really cute little planner that I

679
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: was going to write an experience every day, and I

680
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: did for about five months, and I would be still

681
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: doing it except that I also have this five year journal,

682
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: and I just was finding day after day that I

683
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: was like writing the same thing in both of them.

684
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: And the five year journal is awesome, Like it is

685
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: so cool. I love looking at it right now and

686
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: has four years filled out, and like it's such a

687
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 3: keepsake and I know I'm going to want to keep it,

688
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: and I wasn't planning on keeping the other ones, so

689
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't really need both, so

690
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm abandoning that.

691
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm crossing it off my list.

692
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: I'm just going to use my five year journal as

693
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: I have been and make sure to try to include

694
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: an experience every day and I will achieve the same aim.

695
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: And then finally, I just wanted to quote.

696
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: Say yes and save our experiences, and I think I've

697
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: done pretty well with that so far. I have a

698
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: lot of experiences. I'm also excited about to come this year.

699
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: But we've had some really fun ones, from travel to

700
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: skiing to seeing some concerts and things like that. So yeah, yeah,

701
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: And then I say both of us have hit a

702
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: major goal that we had stepped the year with this

703
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: check in. I was like, well, it's our December episode.

704
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: Gonna be really boring. But I guess more stuff will

705
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: either happen.

706
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: Or not happen in the course of the year and

707
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: we can check in on that, you know, if we've

708
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: stuck with the longer term ones and how that's gone.

709
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

710
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: I still have enough on here that I mean, people

711
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: are going to want to know if I decluttered my house.

712
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, just kidding. And if you've written

713
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: your book proposal.

714
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I'm sure, I don't know, maybe you'll have

715
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: to come up with some other big goal.

716
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Well, there are things, I mean, there's certainly things I'm

717
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: gonna have to happen and the rest of the year.

718
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: But I probably didn't set quite as many goals as

719
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: you did because I'm wary of setting ones that I'm

720
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: not going to hit, and I put a few that

721
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: were uncertain, and so it's like, you know, put all

722
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: your effort into the uncertain ones.

723
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: Versus I don't know. I guess it's a different mindset

724
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: about it. Do you feel like you achieved anything like

725
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: serendif it is, or anything that wasn't on your list

726
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: that you're excited about.

727
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that there was.

728
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, like coming back from a back injury

729
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: was a big thing that had to happen. This is

730
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: a big spring and took time and a lot of

731
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: sort of adjustment in life and how I do stuff.

732
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: But people listening to this, I still cannot empty the

733
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: dishwasher without like pain, and like I have to do

734
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: it in a certain way.

735
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, long story, we don't need to get into this,

736
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: so still in progress. You came back in progress.

737
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: So it's more like I didn't have a goal to

738
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: like try to live my life without daily pain, but

739
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: that is kind of a goal that will have to

740
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: be worked on. But you had a big goal with

741
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: like your kids schooling, right, I mean.

742
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, Like it wasn't a goal just like you said,

743
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: Like it certainly wasn't when I set out to do

744
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: all this stuff.

745
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't like.

746
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to pull out one contract and help

747
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: a kid apply to schools and like start all over again.

748
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: But we ended up doing that and it.

749
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: Worked itself out, and I'm super happy, and I feel

750
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: like it did take a ton of my bandwidth during

751
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 3: the spring, and so I want to give myself credit

752
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: for that because it was just an undertaking.

753
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, applying to schools is always challenging, and that's something

754
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not my project, it's one of my

755
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: children's projects. But in the second half of this year,

756
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: Jasper is going to be doing all of his college applications.

757
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean some Arede earlier, but a lot of them

758
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: are due January first, which means that that is going

759
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: to be a twenty twenty four project for him, again,

760
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: not for me, but I will be assisting him with

761
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: making sure it happens and helping him do as best

762
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: as he can on it. And so yeah, that's I mean,

763
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: I guess that'll be something. But that's not like an

764
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: outcome goal for me. The goal is that I hope

765
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: he feels happy with how it's going, that it's a

766
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: non stressful part of family life. I don't have any

767
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: particular goal about where he would get in because that's

768
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: not me.

769
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: It's not my life.

770
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: Your goal could be like support him peacefully the application season. Exactly, Yeah, exactly,

771
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: that is the personal goal that's actually big.

772
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, yeah, that's gonna take a lot.

773
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah.

774
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: So Sarah, the question for this week is related to goals,

775
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: which you get this a lot, like where do you

776
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: actually keep your goals and all your beautiful and amazing

777
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: paper products which is the official goal keeping place.

778
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately we're not on video, but I am holding

779
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: this up. So I have this leather discbound planner that

780
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: I actually got from cloth and paper. They send it

781
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: to me, and I was kind of like, what am

782
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: I going to do with this? I don't use a

783
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: lot of diskbound in my normal planning, but I was like,

784
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: this might be really nice to keep, like kind of

785
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: like things I just want to file and have handy,

786
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: and their stuff happens to be like incredibly aesthetically pleasing,

787
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: like their paper is beautiful. And so I've been using

788
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 3: this all year and it's awesome, like we can hear

789
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: the sound effects to be turning the pages. But I

790
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: have like all my PTO in here, and one of

791
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: the first things in here is my annual goals from

792
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, and every time I seasonally set out

793
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: to create my goals for the season, I know exactly

794
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: where to find that annual goals list. I have taken

795
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: pictures of that and put it in Apple Notes in

796
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: case I ever want to refer to it on the go.

797
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a funny hybrid tech, you know,

798
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: handwritten thing, but I like to actually do the writing

799
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: on paper. And because it's in this book that I

800
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: kind of refer to all year, it's just nice. And

801
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: I put my seasonal goals and my monthly goals in

802
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: there as well. I also track my reading in there,

803
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: kind of have things like yeah, I mentioned like all

804
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: my paid time off for the year kind of figured out,

805
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: and then even things like reminding myself what I like

806
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: to do during various planning sessions. I have like guidelines

807
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 3: in there, so it's like a reference binder. But it's

808
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: been super helpful.

809
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

810
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, mine is not that fancy, but I do have

811
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: it's a slightly nicer notebook, and that the cover is

812
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: hard versus fancy.

813
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Tell us about that fancy. I don't know.

814
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if I bought this one or not,

815
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 2: if somebody gave me this notebook. That's about the level

816
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: of thought I put into it. But in advance of

817
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Sarah was Best Laid Plans Live last year. I knew

818
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: coming in and because we would have this goal setting

819
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: episode in November we would record it. I had to

820
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: get organized on what my goals were for the year,

821
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: so I sort of brainstormed in there, and then when

822
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: I went to her retreat, I sort of refined them

823
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: a bit more and wrote like a real list of

824
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: them and some of the stuff that she gave me,

825
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: so it was all there and yeah, I mean, if

826
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: anyone is, I'll put in a plug here. Obviously, Best

827
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: Laid Plans Live is sold out for twenty twenty four,

828
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: but if you would like some more of a goal

829
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: setting annual experience, keep that in mind for twenty five.

830
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: And I suspect Sarah may teach a course of goal

831
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: setting that is available for people who can't make the

832
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: live in person event. She'll do an online one that

833
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: you could probably sign up for in November to somewhere

834
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: somewhere in there.

835
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.

836
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: We did that last year and it was great, and

837
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: it was I think people found it really helpful. So

838
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: you use that, But then let's get to the notebook.

839
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: So then you did you transfer everything to the notebook

840
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: and then you just know where to refer to it,

841
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: like as the year's gone on.

842
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean when you reminded we were doing

843
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: this episode, I had to go back and look.

844
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: But most of them I remember because they're so I mean,

845
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: they're either so big, like I knew that I was

846
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: professionally aiming for the book contract for much of the spring,

847
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: or it's daily like the Sonnets and box. So I'm

848
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: not gonna forget that. I wanted to do sonnets and box,

849
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: so you know, I had to remind myself of a

850
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: few things, like the twentieth anniversary, although I sort of

851
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: have that in the back of my brain that it's

852
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: gonna happen, but something will happen, Something will happen.

853
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: Awesome.

854
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's no right answer as to where you

855
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: keep them, except that you have them somewhere where you're

856
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 3: gonna remember and be able to find later. For some people,

857
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: digital works better for that. For other people, some kind

858
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: of physical item works better. But there's no one right answer.

859
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: There, all right, Sarah, I love of the Week.

860
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: I love these episodes. They're so fun, they're fun to do,

861
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: they're fun to listen to. I hope other podcasts are

862
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: doing midyear check ins. I feel like Happier usually does one.

863
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

864
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: People, let me know if you've heard a good midyear

865
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: check in episode. Please send me an email Sarah dot

866
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Heart dot Hunger at gmail dot com alert me to

867
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: where I can find these episodes because I enjoy listening

868
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: to them.

869
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I enjoy them too, and it's

870
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: good that we do them because it reminds me to

871
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: check in on my annual goals and that level of

872
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: accountability is good for all of us. But if you

873
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: don't have that built into your life, take this as

874
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: the opportunity to think back. Did you set any New

875
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: Year's resolutions? Did you make any goals for the year?

876
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: Did you have to sort of set anything as professional

877
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: goals at work, like when you were doing a check

878
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: in with your manager at the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any that you set personally apart from that,

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Speaker 2: did you and your partner discuss anything that you would

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Speaker 2: like your family to look like. See if you can

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Speaker 2: kind of retrace these if you wrote them in one place, awesome,

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Speaker 2: But if you didn't, I don't know, maybe sort of

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Speaker 2: think back and look at what you were doing at

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Speaker 2: the time or anything that you thought was important to

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Speaker 2: you then. But you can also set new goals now,

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Speaker 2: like even if you didn't set goals at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the year. There is nothing magical about January first.

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Speaker 2: I mean sometimes it feels a little magical, but there's

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Speaker 2: nothing actually magical about it. You can absolutely set goals

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Speaker 2: that start July first, right in the middle of the year.

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Speaker 2: They could be annual goals, like to see how you

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Speaker 2: do at the end of fiscal year of going through

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Speaker 2: in the summer, or just check in in December again,

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Speaker 2: or you can set quarterly goals right or quintile goals,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want, but starting July first to September thirty,

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Speaker 2: that would be a great length of time to set

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Speaker 2: some goals for and see how you do with that.

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Speaker 2: So we always think it's worthwhile to at least try yes,

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Speaker 2: love it all right, Well, this has been best of

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Speaker 2: both worlds with our mid year goal check in. We

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Speaker 2: will be back next week with more on making work

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Speaker 2: and life fit together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com

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Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you.

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Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life

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